Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
Lol, no, i was at one of those this weekend, all i could figure there is using their electric conduit for fiber to feed low power access points at the power hookups, or 900 mhz and you rent tripods with flexible rugged cat5 On Aug 17, 2017 7:44 PM, "Josh Reynolds" wrote: > Ah ok. I thought you were talking about campground-in-the-woods-for- > netflix. > > On Aug 17, 2017 7:24 PM, "Steve Jones" wrote: > >> As best i can tell, vlan aside cnmaestro does that. Everything is >> template and serial number based so config would be a no brainer, backhaul >> would be backhaul, thats no special feat. >> Im looking at a small campground for work, 2 aps at most and we already >> serve the office and another building from an epmp sm in ap mode so the >> sites already in cnmaestro >> >> On Aug 17, 2017 7:12 PM, "Josh Reynolds" wrote: >> >> What about backhaul? Captive portal? Vlan assignment? Per user or per >> service QoS? WiFi air packet diagnostics for troubleshooting? Single or >> dual or triple radio? AirTime leveling? How hard is it to push the same >> config to other devices? Compliment of various antennas? >> >> You may not need or want any of this. Or, you might. >> >> On Aug 17, 2017 7:02 PM, "Steve Jones" wrote: >> >>> There is an outdoor wifi accesspoint >>> >>> On Aug 17, 2017 6:46 PM, "Josh Reynolds" wrote: >>> >>>> Can one of those even... I guess wds bridge to another unit while still >>>> serving clients? >>>> >>>> On Aug 17, 2017 6:32 PM, "Steve Jones" >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Because its there >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 17, 2017 5:49 PM, "Josh Reynolds" wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Why would you want to? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 17, 2017 5:44 PM, "Steve Jones" >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> is anybody using the cnpilot stuff with cnmaestro for this? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 3:44 AM, Timothy Steele < >>>>>> timothy.pct...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Do all unifi with unifi mesh for your BH's use all switches unifi >>>>>>> POE Switches get a cloud key this way you will see graph data of 100% of >>>>>>> the network see how is having signal issues and what AP's are going down >>>>>>> captive portal and QOS all built in 100% Unifi with unifi controller is >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> only way I would ever do a campground again when you mix other gear it >>>>>>> it's >>>>>>> just a nightmare to maintain not even worth it >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 14, 2017, 9:46 PM Josh Reynolds >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Limit your datarates to 12Mb and above will shrink you cell size, >>>>>>>> but will keep your data rates sane. There's a lot of cool tweaks in >>>>>>>> UniFi >>>>>>>> these days. AirTime Fairness can help a lot as well. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Meshv3 is on the horizon as an in-place upgrade to the existing >>>>>>>> hardware. Looks good so far. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Aug 14, 2017 10:57 PM, "Rory Conaway" >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We max out at 10Mbps. In testing the Unifi mesh, we consistently >>>>>>>>> saw 18Mbps with 100 devices on 3 radios. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Rory >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay >>>>>>>>> Fuller >>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2017 6:40 PM >>>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>&
Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
Ah ok. I thought you were talking about campground-in-the-woods-for-netflix. On Aug 17, 2017 7:24 PM, "Steve Jones" wrote: > As best i can tell, vlan aside cnmaestro does that. Everything is template > and serial number based so config would be a no brainer, backhaul would be > backhaul, thats no special feat. > Im looking at a small campground for work, 2 aps at most and we already > serve the office and another building from an epmp sm in ap mode so the > sites already in cnmaestro > > On Aug 17, 2017 7:12 PM, "Josh Reynolds" wrote: > > What about backhaul? Captive portal? Vlan assignment? Per user or per > service QoS? WiFi air packet diagnostics for troubleshooting? Single or > dual or triple radio? AirTime leveling? How hard is it to push the same > config to other devices? Compliment of various antennas? > > You may not need or want any of this. Or, you might. > > On Aug 17, 2017 7:02 PM, "Steve Jones" wrote: > >> There is an outdoor wifi accesspoint >> >> On Aug 17, 2017 6:46 PM, "Josh Reynolds" wrote: >> >>> Can one of those even... I guess wds bridge to another unit while still >>> serving clients? >>> >>> On Aug 17, 2017 6:32 PM, "Steve Jones" >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Because its there >>>> >>>> On Aug 17, 2017 5:49 PM, "Josh Reynolds" wrote: >>>> >>>>> Why would you want to? >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 17, 2017 5:44 PM, "Steve Jones" >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> is anybody using the cnpilot stuff with cnmaestro for this? >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 3:44 AM, Timothy Steele < >>>>> timothy.pct...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Do all unifi with unifi mesh for your BH's use all switches unifi POE >>>>>> Switches get a cloud key this way you will see graph data of 100% of the >>>>>> network see how is having signal issues and what AP's are going down >>>>>> captive portal and QOS all built in 100% Unifi with unifi controller is >>>>>> the >>>>>> only way I would ever do a campground again when you mix other gear it >>>>>> it's >>>>>> just a nightmare to maintain not even worth it >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Aug 14, 2017, 9:46 PM Josh Reynolds >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Limit your datarates to 12Mb and above will shrink you cell size, >>>>>>> but will keep your data rates sane. There's a lot of cool tweaks in >>>>>>> UniFi >>>>>>> these days. AirTime Fairness can help a lot as well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Meshv3 is on the horizon as an in-place upgrade to the existing >>>>>>> hardware. Looks good so far. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Aug 14, 2017 10:57 PM, "Rory Conaway" >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We max out at 10Mbps. In testing the Unifi mesh, we consistently >>>>>>>> saw 18Mbps with 100 devices on 3 radios. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Rory >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay >>>>>>>> Fuller >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2017 6:40 PM >>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> on average what speed service are you selling campgrounds? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm assuming 100-250 campers during peak times >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> - Original Message - >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *From:* Layne Sisk >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2017 3:50 PM >>>>>>&
Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
As best i can tell, vlan aside cnmaestro does that. Everything is template and serial number based so config would be a no brainer, backhaul would be backhaul, thats no special feat. Im looking at a small campground for work, 2 aps at most and we already serve the office and another building from an epmp sm in ap mode so the sites already in cnmaestro On Aug 17, 2017 7:12 PM, "Josh Reynolds" wrote: What about backhaul? Captive portal? Vlan assignment? Per user or per service QoS? WiFi air packet diagnostics for troubleshooting? Single or dual or triple radio? AirTime leveling? How hard is it to push the same config to other devices? Compliment of various antennas? You may not need or want any of this. Or, you might. On Aug 17, 2017 7:02 PM, "Steve Jones" wrote: > There is an outdoor wifi accesspoint > > On Aug 17, 2017 6:46 PM, "Josh Reynolds" wrote: > >> Can one of those even... I guess wds bridge to another unit while still >> serving clients? >> >> On Aug 17, 2017 6:32 PM, "Steve Jones" wrote: >> >>> Because its there >>> >>> On Aug 17, 2017 5:49 PM, "Josh Reynolds" wrote: >>> >>>> Why would you want to? >>>> >>>> On Aug 17, 2017 5:44 PM, "Steve Jones" >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> is anybody using the cnpilot stuff with cnmaestro for this? >>>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 3:44 AM, Timothy Steele < >>>> timothy.pct...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Do all unifi with unifi mesh for your BH's use all switches unifi POE >>>>> Switches get a cloud key this way you will see graph data of 100% of the >>>>> network see how is having signal issues and what AP's are going down >>>>> captive portal and QOS all built in 100% Unifi with unifi controller is >>>>> the >>>>> only way I would ever do a campground again when you mix other gear it >>>>> it's >>>>> just a nightmare to maintain not even worth it >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Aug 14, 2017, 9:46 PM Josh Reynolds >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Limit your datarates to 12Mb and above will shrink you cell size, but >>>>>> will keep your data rates sane. There's a lot of cool tweaks in UniFi >>>>>> these >>>>>> days. AirTime Fairness can help a lot as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> Meshv3 is on the horizon as an in-place upgrade to the existing >>>>>> hardware. Looks good so far. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 14, 2017 10:57 PM, "Rory Conaway" >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> We max out at 10Mbps. In testing the Unifi mesh, we consistently >>>>>>> saw 18Mbps with 100 devices on 3 radios. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Rory >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay >>>>>>> Fuller >>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2017 6:40 PM >>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> on average what speed service are you selling campgrounds? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm assuming 100-250 campers during peak times >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> - Original Message - >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* Layne Sisk >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2017 3:50 PM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We support several campgrounds and I know it is more expensive, but >>>>>>> you may want to at least consider Rukus gear. It seems quite stable in >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> environment. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Layne Sisk >>>>>>> ServerPlus >>>>>>> 801.426.8283, ext 102 <(801)%20426-8283> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On >>>>>>> Behalf Of Jay Weekley >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:34 PM >>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gotcha. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Adam Moffett wrote: >>>>>>> > Yeah, Rockets and Nanobeams are 802.11n 802.11ac is totally a >>>>>>> thing >>>>>>> > now. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > -- Original Message -- >>>>>>> > From: "Jay Weekley" >>>>>>> > To: af@afmug.com >>>>>>> > Sent: 8/14/2017 2:30:55 PM >>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >> 11ac? >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Adam Moffett wrote: >>>>>>> >>> If you're building new, why not 11ac instead of 11n? >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> -- Original Message -- >>>>>>> >>> From: "Jay Weekley" >>>>>>> >>> To: "af@afmug.com" >>>>>>> >>> Sent: 8/14/2017 2:27:50 PM >>>>>>> >>> Subject: [AFMUG] campground wifi >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>>> We're looking to upgrade the WiFi at some campgrounds and need >>>>>>> >>>> suggestions. Right now I'm thinking about a 5 GHz Rocket on an >>>>>>> >>>> omni to a Nanobeam at each client access point. I think we >>>>>>> should >>>>>>> >>>> offer connectivity to the campers in both 2.4 and 5 GHz. What >>>>>>> do >>>>>>> >>>> you think? Unifi? >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> --- >>>>>>> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >>>>>>> >>> http://www.avg.com >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
What about backhaul? Captive portal? Vlan assignment? Per user or per service QoS? WiFi air packet diagnostics for troubleshooting? Single or dual or triple radio? AirTime leveling? How hard is it to push the same config to other devices? Compliment of various antennas? You may not need or want any of this. Or, you might. On Aug 17, 2017 7:02 PM, "Steve Jones" wrote: > There is an outdoor wifi accesspoint > > On Aug 17, 2017 6:46 PM, "Josh Reynolds" wrote: > >> Can one of those even... I guess wds bridge to another unit while still >> serving clients? >> >> On Aug 17, 2017 6:32 PM, "Steve Jones" wrote: >> >>> Because its there >>> >>> On Aug 17, 2017 5:49 PM, "Josh Reynolds" wrote: >>> >>>> Why would you want to? >>>> >>>> On Aug 17, 2017 5:44 PM, "Steve Jones" >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> is anybody using the cnpilot stuff with cnmaestro for this? >>>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 3:44 AM, Timothy Steele < >>>> timothy.pct...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Do all unifi with unifi mesh for your BH's use all switches unifi POE >>>>> Switches get a cloud key this way you will see graph data of 100% of the >>>>> network see how is having signal issues and what AP's are going down >>>>> captive portal and QOS all built in 100% Unifi with unifi controller is >>>>> the >>>>> only way I would ever do a campground again when you mix other gear it >>>>> it's >>>>> just a nightmare to maintain not even worth it >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Aug 14, 2017, 9:46 PM Josh Reynolds >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Limit your datarates to 12Mb and above will shrink you cell size, but >>>>>> will keep your data rates sane. There's a lot of cool tweaks in UniFi >>>>>> these >>>>>> days. AirTime Fairness can help a lot as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> Meshv3 is on the horizon as an in-place upgrade to the existing >>>>>> hardware. Looks good so far. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 14, 2017 10:57 PM, "Rory Conaway" >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> We max out at 10Mbps. In testing the Unifi mesh, we consistently >>>>>>> saw 18Mbps with 100 devices on 3 radios. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Rory >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay >>>>>>> Fuller >>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2017 6:40 PM >>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> on average what speed service are you selling campgrounds? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm assuming 100-250 campers during peak times >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> - Original Message - >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* Layne Sisk >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2017 3:50 PM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We support several campgrounds and I know it is more expensive, but >>>>>>> you may want to at least consider Rukus gear. It seems quite stable in >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> environment. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Layne Sisk >>>>>>> ServerPlus >>>>>>> 801.426.8283, ext 102 <(801)%20426-8283> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On >>>>>>> Behalf Of Jay Weekley >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:34 PM >>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gotcha. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Adam Moffett wrote: >>>>>>> > Yeah, Rockets and Nanobeams are 802.11n 802.11ac is totally a >>>>>>> thing >>>>>>> > now. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > -- Original Message -- >>>>>>> > From: "Jay Weekley" >>>>>>> > To: af@afmug.com >>>>>>> > Sent: 8/14/2017 2:30:55 PM >>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >> 11ac? >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Adam Moffett wrote: >>>>>>> >>> If you're building new, why not 11ac instead of 11n? >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> -- Original Message -- >>>>>>> >>> From: "Jay Weekley" >>>>>>> >>> To: "af@afmug.com" >>>>>>> >>> Sent: 8/14/2017 2:27:50 PM >>>>>>> >>> Subject: [AFMUG] campground wifi >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>>> We're looking to upgrade the WiFi at some campgrounds and need >>>>>>> >>>> suggestions. Right now I'm thinking about a 5 GHz Rocket on an >>>>>>> >>>> omni to a Nanobeam at each client access point. I think we >>>>>>> should >>>>>>> >>>> offer connectivity to the campers in both 2.4 and 5 GHz. What >>>>>>> do >>>>>>> >>>> you think? Unifi? >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> --- >>>>>>> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >>>>>>> >>> http://www.avg.com >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
There is an outdoor wifi accesspoint On Aug 17, 2017 6:46 PM, "Josh Reynolds" wrote: > Can one of those even... I guess wds bridge to another unit while still > serving clients? > > On Aug 17, 2017 6:32 PM, "Steve Jones" wrote: > >> Because its there >> >> On Aug 17, 2017 5:49 PM, "Josh Reynolds" wrote: >> >>> Why would you want to? >>> >>> On Aug 17, 2017 5:44 PM, "Steve Jones" >>> wrote: >>> >>> is anybody using the cnpilot stuff with cnmaestro for this? >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 3:44 AM, Timothy Steele < >>> timothy.pct...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Do all unifi with unifi mesh for your BH's use all switches unifi POE >>>> Switches get a cloud key this way you will see graph data of 100% of the >>>> network see how is having signal issues and what AP's are going down >>>> captive portal and QOS all built in 100% Unifi with unifi controller is the >>>> only way I would ever do a campground again when you mix other gear it it's >>>> just a nightmare to maintain not even worth it >>>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 14, 2017, 9:46 PM Josh Reynolds >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Limit your datarates to 12Mb and above will shrink you cell size, but >>>>> will keep your data rates sane. There's a lot of cool tweaks in UniFi >>>>> these >>>>> days. AirTime Fairness can help a lot as well. >>>>> >>>>> Meshv3 is on the horizon as an in-place upgrade to the existing >>>>> hardware. Looks good so far. >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 14, 2017 10:57 PM, "Rory Conaway" >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> We max out at 10Mbps. In testing the Unifi mesh, we consistently saw >>>>>> 18Mbps with 100 devices on 3 radios. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Rory >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay >>>>>> Fuller >>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2017 6:40 PM >>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> on average what speed service are you selling campgrounds? >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm assuming 100-250 campers during peak times >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> - Original Message - >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* Layne Sisk >>>>>> >>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>> >>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2017 3:50 PM >>>>>> >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> We support several campgrounds and I know it is more expensive, but >>>>>> you may want to at least consider Rukus gear. It seems quite stable in >>>>>> the >>>>>> environment. >>>>>> >>>>>> Layne Sisk >>>>>> ServerPlus >>>>>> 801.426.8283, ext 102 <(801)%20426-8283> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On >>>>>> Behalf Of Jay Weekley >>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:34 PM >>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi >>>>>> >>>>>> Gotcha. >>>>>> >>>>>> Adam Moffett wrote: >>>>>> > Yeah, Rockets and Nanobeams are 802.11n 802.11ac is totally a thing >>>>>> > now. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> > -- Original Message -- >>>>>> > From: "Jay Weekley" >>>>>> > To: af@afmug.com >>>>>> > Sent: 8/14/2017 2:30:55 PM >>>>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> >> 11ac? >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Adam Moffett wrote: >>>>>> >>> If you're building new, why not 11ac instead of 11n? >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> -- Original Message -- >>>>>> >>> From: "Jay Weekley" >>>>>> >>> To: "af@afmug.com" >>>>>> >>> Sent: 8/14/2017 2:27:50 PM >>>>>> >>> Subject: [AFMUG] campground wifi >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> We're looking to upgrade the WiFi at some campgrounds and need >>>>>> >>>> suggestions. Right now I'm thinking about a 5 GHz Rocket on an >>>>>> >>>> omni to a Nanobeam at each client access point. I think we >>>>>> should >>>>>> >>>> offer connectivity to the campers in both 2.4 and 5 GHz. What >>>>>> do >>>>>> >>>> you think? Unifi? >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> --- >>>>>> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >>>>>> >>> http://www.avg.com >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >>>
Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
Can one of those even... I guess wds bridge to another unit while still serving clients? On Aug 17, 2017 6:32 PM, "Steve Jones" wrote: > Because its there > > On Aug 17, 2017 5:49 PM, "Josh Reynolds" wrote: > >> Why would you want to? >> >> On Aug 17, 2017 5:44 PM, "Steve Jones" wrote: >> >> is anybody using the cnpilot stuff with cnmaestro for this? >> >> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 3:44 AM, Timothy Steele > > wrote: >> >>> Do all unifi with unifi mesh for your BH's use all switches unifi POE >>> Switches get a cloud key this way you will see graph data of 100% of the >>> network see how is having signal issues and what AP's are going down >>> captive portal and QOS all built in 100% Unifi with unifi controller is the >>> only way I would ever do a campground again when you mix other gear it it's >>> just a nightmare to maintain not even worth it >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 14, 2017, 9:46 PM Josh Reynolds >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Limit your datarates to 12Mb and above will shrink you cell size, but >>>> will keep your data rates sane. There's a lot of cool tweaks in UniFi these >>>> days. AirTime Fairness can help a lot as well. >>>> >>>> Meshv3 is on the horizon as an in-place upgrade to the existing >>>> hardware. Looks good so far. >>>> >>>> On Aug 14, 2017 10:57 PM, "Rory Conaway" >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> We max out at 10Mbps. In testing the Unifi mesh, we consistently saw >>>>> 18Mbps with 100 devices on 3 radios. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Rory >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay >>>>> Fuller >>>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2017 6:40 PM >>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> on average what speed service are you selling campgrounds? >>>>> >>>>> I'm assuming 100-250 campers during peak times >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> - Original Message - >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Layne Sisk >>>>> >>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>> >>>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2017 3:50 PM >>>>> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> We support several campgrounds and I know it is more expensive, but >>>>> you may want to at least consider Rukus gear. It seems quite stable in >>>>> the >>>>> environment. >>>>> >>>>> Layne Sisk >>>>> ServerPlus >>>>> 801.426.8283, ext 102 <(801)%20426-8283> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On >>>>> Behalf Of Jay Weekley >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:34 PM >>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi >>>>> >>>>> Gotcha. >>>>> >>>>> Adam Moffett wrote: >>>>> > Yeah, Rockets and Nanobeams are 802.11n 802.11ac is totally a thing >>>>> > now. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> > -- Original Message -- >>>>> > From: "Jay Weekley" >>>>> > To: af@afmug.com >>>>> > Sent: 8/14/2017 2:30:55 PM >>>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >> 11ac? >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Adam Moffett wrote: >>>>> >>> If you're building new, why not 11ac instead of 11n? >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> -- Original Message -- >>>>> >>> From: "Jay Weekley" >>>>> >>> To: "af@afmug.com" >>>>> >>> Sent: 8/14/2017 2:27:50 PM >>>>> >>> Subject: [AFMUG] campground wifi >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>>> We're looking to upgrade the WiFi at some campgrounds and need >>>>> >>>> suggestions. Right now I'm thinking about a 5 GHz Rocket on an >>>>> >>>> omni to a Nanobeam at each client access point. I think we >>>>> should >>>>> >>>> offer connectivity to the campers in both 2.4 and 5 GHz. What do >>>>> >>>> you think? Unifi? >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> --- >>>>> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >>>>> >>> http://www.avg.com >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >> >>
Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
Because its there On Aug 17, 2017 5:49 PM, "Josh Reynolds" wrote: > Why would you want to? > > On Aug 17, 2017 5:44 PM, "Steve Jones" wrote: > > is anybody using the cnpilot stuff with cnmaestro for this? > > On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 3:44 AM, Timothy Steele > wrote: > >> Do all unifi with unifi mesh for your BH's use all switches unifi POE >> Switches get a cloud key this way you will see graph data of 100% of the >> network see how is having signal issues and what AP's are going down >> captive portal and QOS all built in 100% Unifi with unifi controller is the >> only way I would ever do a campground again when you mix other gear it it's >> just a nightmare to maintain not even worth it >> >> On Mon, Aug 14, 2017, 9:46 PM Josh Reynolds wrote: >> >>> Limit your datarates to 12Mb and above will shrink you cell size, but >>> will keep your data rates sane. There's a lot of cool tweaks in UniFi these >>> days. AirTime Fairness can help a lot as well. >>> >>> Meshv3 is on the horizon as an in-place upgrade to the existing >>> hardware. Looks good so far. >>> >>> On Aug 14, 2017 10:57 PM, "Rory Conaway" wrote: >>> >>>> We max out at 10Mbps. In testing the Unifi mesh, we consistently saw >>>> 18Mbps with 100 devices on 3 radios. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Rory >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay >>>> Fuller >>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2017 6:40 PM >>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> on average what speed service are you selling campgrounds? >>>> >>>> I'm assuming 100-250 campers during peak times >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> - Original Message - >>>> >>>> *From:* Layne Sisk >>>> >>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>> >>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2017 3:50 PM >>>> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> We support several campgrounds and I know it is more expensive, but you >>>> may want to at least consider Rukus gear. It seems quite stable in the >>>> environment. >>>> >>>> Layne Sisk >>>> ServerPlus >>>> 801.426.8283, ext 102 <(801)%20426-8283> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On >>>> Behalf Of Jay Weekley >>>> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:34 PM >>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi >>>> >>>> Gotcha. >>>> >>>> Adam Moffett wrote: >>>> > Yeah, Rockets and Nanobeams are 802.11n 802.11ac is totally a thing >>>> > now. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> > -- Original Message -- >>>> > From: "Jay Weekley" >>>> > To: af@afmug.com >>>> > Sent: 8/14/2017 2:30:55 PM >>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi >>>> > >>>> >>>> >> 11ac? >>>> >> >>>> >> Adam Moffett wrote: >>>> >>> If you're building new, why not 11ac instead of 11n? >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> -- Original Message -- >>>> >>> From: "Jay Weekley" >>>> >>> To: "af@afmug.com" >>>> >>> Sent: 8/14/2017 2:27:50 PM >>>> >>> Subject: [AFMUG] campground wifi >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> We're looking to upgrade the WiFi at some campgrounds and need >>>> >>>> suggestions. Right now I'm thinking about a 5 GHz Rocket on an >>>> >>>> omni to a Nanobeam at each client access point. I think we should >>>> >>>> offer connectivity to the campers in both 2.4 and 5 GHz. What do >>>> >>>> you think? Unifi? >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> --- >>>> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >>>> >>> http://www.avg.com >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> > >
Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
Yes. Only problem we're running into is the captive portal and SSL. On 8/17/2017 5:44 PM, Steve Jones wrote: is anybody using the cnpilot stuff with cnmaestro for this? On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 3:44 AM, Timothy Steele mailto:timothy.pct...@gmail.com>> wrote: Do all unifi with unifi mesh for your BH's use all switches unifi POE Switches get a cloud key this way you will see graph data of 100% of the network see how is having signal issues and what AP's are going down captive portal and QOS all built in 100% Unifi with unifi controller is the only way I would ever do a campground again when you mix other gear it it's just a nightmare to maintain not even worth it On Mon, Aug 14, 2017, 9:46 PM Josh Reynolds mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote: Limit your datarates to 12Mb and above will shrink you cell size, but will keep your data rates sane. There's a lot of cool tweaks in UniFi these days. AirTime Fairness can help a lot as well. Meshv3 is on the horizon as an in-place upgrade to the existing hardware. Looks good so far. On Aug 14, 2017 10:57 PM, "Rory Conaway" mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote: We max out at 10Mbps. In testing the Unifi mesh, we consistently saw 18Mbps with 100 devices on 3 radios. Rory *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller *Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2017 6:40 PM *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi on average what speed service are you selling campgrounds? I'm assuming 100-250 campers during peak times - Original Message - *From:*Layne Sisk <mailto:la...@serverplus.com> *To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Sent:*Monday, August 14, 2017 3:50 PM *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi We support several campgrounds and I know it is more expensive, but you may want to at least consider Rukus gear. It seems quite stable in the environment. Layne Sisk ServerPlus 801.426.8283, ext 102 -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:34 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi Gotcha. Adam Moffett wrote: > Yeah, Rockets and Nanobeams are 802.11n 802.11ac is totally a thing > now. > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Jay Weekley" mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> > Sent: 8/14/2017 2:30:55 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi > >> 11ac? >> >> Adam Moffett wrote: >>> If you're building new, why not 11ac instead of 11n? >>> >>> >>> -- Original Message -- >>> From: "Jay Weekley" mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> >>> To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>> >>> Sent: 8/14/2017 2:27:50 PM >>> Subject: [AFMUG] campground wifi >>> >>>> We're looking to upgrade the WiFi at some campgrounds and need >>>> suggestions. Right now I'm thinking about a 5 GHz Rocket on an >>>> omni to a Nanobeam at each client access point. I think we should >>>> offer connectivity to the campers in both 2.4 and 5 GHz. What do >>>> you think? Unifi? >>> >>> >>> --- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >>> http://www.avg.com >>> >>> >> > >
Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
Why would you want to? On Aug 17, 2017 5:44 PM, "Steve Jones" wrote: is anybody using the cnpilot stuff with cnmaestro for this? On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 3:44 AM, Timothy Steele wrote: > Do all unifi with unifi mesh for your BH's use all switches unifi POE > Switches get a cloud key this way you will see graph data of 100% of the > network see how is having signal issues and what AP's are going down > captive portal and QOS all built in 100% Unifi with unifi controller is the > only way I would ever do a campground again when you mix other gear it it's > just a nightmare to maintain not even worth it > > On Mon, Aug 14, 2017, 9:46 PM Josh Reynolds wrote: > >> Limit your datarates to 12Mb and above will shrink you cell size, but >> will keep your data rates sane. There's a lot of cool tweaks in UniFi these >> days. AirTime Fairness can help a lot as well. >> >> Meshv3 is on the horizon as an in-place upgrade to the existing hardware. >> Looks good so far. >> >> On Aug 14, 2017 10:57 PM, "Rory Conaway" wrote: >> >>> We max out at 10Mbps. In testing the Unifi mesh, we consistently saw >>> 18Mbps with 100 devices on 3 radios. >>> >>> >>> >>> Rory >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller >>> *Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2017 6:40 PM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> on average what speed service are you selling campgrounds? >>> >>> I'm assuming 100-250 campers during peak times >>> >>> >>> >> - Original Message - >>> >>> *From:* Layne Sisk >>> >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> >>> *Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2017 3:50 PM >>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi >>> >>> >>> >>> We support several campgrounds and I know it is more expensive, but you >>> may want to at least consider Rukus gear. It seems quite stable in the >>> environment. >>> >>> Layne Sisk >>> ServerPlus >>> 801.426.8283, ext 102 <(801)%20426-8283> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf >>> Of Jay Weekley >>> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:34 PM >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi >>> >>> Gotcha. >>> >>> Adam Moffett wrote: >>> > Yeah, Rockets and Nanobeams are 802.11n 802.11ac is totally a thing >>> > now. >>> > >>> > >>> >>> > -- Original Message -- >>> > From: "Jay Weekley" >>> > To: af@afmug.com >>> > Sent: 8/14/2017 2:30:55 PM >>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi >>> > >>> >>> >> 11ac? >>> >> >>> >> Adam Moffett wrote: >>> >>> If you're building new, why not 11ac instead of 11n? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- Original Message -- >>> >>> From: "Jay Weekley" >>> >>> To: "af@afmug.com" >>> >>> Sent: 8/14/2017 2:27:50 PM >>> >>> Subject: [AFMUG] campground wifi >>> >>> >>> >>>> We're looking to upgrade the WiFi at some campgrounds and need >>> >>>> suggestions. Right now I'm thinking about a 5 GHz Rocket on an >>> >>>> omni to a Nanobeam at each client access point. I think we should >>> >>>> offer connectivity to the campers in both 2.4 and 5 GHz. What do >>> >>>> you think? Unifi? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --- >>> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >>> >>> http://www.avg.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> >>>
Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
is anybody using the cnpilot stuff with cnmaestro for this? On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 3:44 AM, Timothy Steele wrote: > Do all unifi with unifi mesh for your BH's use all switches unifi POE > Switches get a cloud key this way you will see graph data of 100% of the > network see how is having signal issues and what AP's are going down > captive portal and QOS all built in 100% Unifi with unifi controller is the > only way I would ever do a campground again when you mix other gear it it's > just a nightmare to maintain not even worth it > > On Mon, Aug 14, 2017, 9:46 PM Josh Reynolds wrote: > >> Limit your datarates to 12Mb and above will shrink you cell size, but >> will keep your data rates sane. There's a lot of cool tweaks in UniFi these >> days. AirTime Fairness can help a lot as well. >> >> Meshv3 is on the horizon as an in-place upgrade to the existing hardware. >> Looks good so far. >> >> On Aug 14, 2017 10:57 PM, "Rory Conaway" wrote: >> >>> We max out at 10Mbps. In testing the Unifi mesh, we consistently saw >>> 18Mbps with 100 devices on 3 radios. >>> >>> >>> >>> Rory >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller >>> *Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2017 6:40 PM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> on average what speed service are you selling campgrounds? >>> >>> I'm assuming 100-250 campers during peak times >>> >>> >>> >> - Original Message - >>> >>> *From:* Layne Sisk >>> >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> >>> *Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2017 3:50 PM >>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi >>> >>> >>> >>> We support several campgrounds and I know it is more expensive, but you >>> may want to at least consider Rukus gear. It seems quite stable in the >>> environment. >>> >>> Layne Sisk >>> ServerPlus >>> 801.426.8283, ext 102 <(801)%20426-8283> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf >>> Of Jay Weekley >>> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:34 PM >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi >>> >>> Gotcha. >>> >>> Adam Moffett wrote: >>> > Yeah, Rockets and Nanobeams are 802.11n 802.11ac is totally a thing >>> > now. >>> > >>> > >>> >>> > -- Original Message -- >>> > From: "Jay Weekley" >>> > To: af@afmug.com >>> > Sent: 8/14/2017 2:30:55 PM >>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi >>> > >>> >>> >> 11ac? >>> >> >>> >> Adam Moffett wrote: >>> >>> If you're building new, why not 11ac instead of 11n? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- Original Message -- >>> >>> From: "Jay Weekley" >>> >>> To: "af@afmug.com" >>> >>> Sent: 8/14/2017 2:27:50 PM >>> >>> Subject: [AFMUG] campground wifi >>> >>> >>> >>>> We're looking to upgrade the WiFi at some campgrounds and need >>> >>>> suggestions. Right now I'm thinking about a 5 GHz Rocket on an >>> >>>> omni to a Nanobeam at each client access point. I think we should >>> >>>> offer connectivity to the campers in both 2.4 and 5 GHz. What do >>> >>>> you think? Unifi? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --- >>> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >>> >>> http://www.avg.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> >>>
Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
Do all unifi with unifi mesh for your BH's use all switches unifi POE Switches get a cloud key this way you will see graph data of 100% of the network see how is having signal issues and what AP's are going down captive portal and QOS all built in 100% Unifi with unifi controller is the only way I would ever do a campground again when you mix other gear it it's just a nightmare to maintain not even worth it On Mon, Aug 14, 2017, 9:46 PM Josh Reynolds wrote: > Limit your datarates to 12Mb and above will shrink you cell size, but will > keep your data rates sane. There's a lot of cool tweaks in UniFi these > days. AirTime Fairness can help a lot as well. > > Meshv3 is on the horizon as an in-place upgrade to the existing hardware. > Looks good so far. > > On Aug 14, 2017 10:57 PM, "Rory Conaway" wrote: > >> We max out at 10Mbps. In testing the Unifi mesh, we consistently saw >> 18Mbps with 100 devices on 3 radios. >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller >> *Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2017 6:40 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi >> >> >> >> >> >> on average what speed service are you selling campgrounds? >> >> I'm assuming 100-250 campers during peak times >> >> >> > - Original Message - >> >> *From:* Layne Sisk >> >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> >> *Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2017 3:50 PM >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi >> >> >> >> We support several campgrounds and I know it is more expensive, but you >> may want to at least consider Rukus gear. It seems quite stable in the >> environment. >> >> Layne Sisk >> ServerPlus >> 801.426.8283, ext 102 <(801)%20426-8283> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf >> Of Jay Weekley >> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:34 PM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi >> >> Gotcha. >> >> Adam Moffett wrote: >> > Yeah, Rockets and Nanobeams are 802.11n 802.11ac is totally a thing >> > now. >> > >> > >> >> > -- Original Message -- >> > From: "Jay Weekley" >> > To: af@afmug.com >> > Sent: 8/14/2017 2:30:55 PM >> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi >> > >> >> >> 11ac? >> >> >> >> Adam Moffett wrote: >> >>> If you're building new, why not 11ac instead of 11n? >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- Original Message -- >> >>> From: "Jay Weekley" >> >>> To: "af@afmug.com" >> >>> Sent: 8/14/2017 2:27:50 PM >> >>> Subject: [AFMUG] campground wifi >> >>> >> >>>> We're looking to upgrade the WiFi at some campgrounds and need >> >>>> suggestions. Right now I'm thinking about a 5 GHz Rocket on an >> >>>> omni to a Nanobeam at each client access point. I think we should >> >>>> offer connectivity to the campers in both 2.4 and 5 GHz. What do >> >>>> you think? Unifi? >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> --- >> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >> >>> http://www.avg.com >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> > >> > >> >>
Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
Limit your datarates to 12Mb and above will shrink you cell size, but will keep your data rates sane. There's a lot of cool tweaks in UniFi these days. AirTime Fairness can help a lot as well. Meshv3 is on the horizon as an in-place upgrade to the existing hardware. Looks good so far. On Aug 14, 2017 10:57 PM, "Rory Conaway" wrote: > We max out at 10Mbps. In testing the Unifi mesh, we consistently saw > 18Mbps with 100 devices on 3 radios. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller > *Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2017 6:40 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi > > > > > > on average what speed service are you selling campgrounds? > > I'm assuming 100-250 campers during peak times > > > > - Original Message - > > *From:* Layne Sisk > > *To:* af@afmug.com > > *Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2017 3:50 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi > > > > We support several campgrounds and I know it is more expensive, but you > may want to at least consider Rukus gear. It seems quite stable in the > environment. > > Layne Sisk > ServerPlus > 801.426.8283, ext 102 <(801)%20426-8283> > > > > > > > -----Original Message- > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf > Of Jay Weekley > Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:34 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi > > Gotcha. > > Adam Moffett wrote: > > Yeah, Rockets and Nanobeams are 802.11n 802.11ac is totally a thing > > now. > > > > > > -- Original Message -- > > From: "Jay Weekley" > > To: af@afmug.com > > Sent: 8/14/2017 2:30:55 PM > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi > > > >> 11ac? > >> > >> Adam Moffett wrote: > >>> If you're building new, why not 11ac instead of 11n? > >>> > >>> > >>> -- Original Message -- > >>> From: "Jay Weekley" > >>> To: "af@afmug.com" > >>> Sent: 8/14/2017 2:27:50 PM > >>> Subject: [AFMUG] campground wifi > >>> > >>>> We're looking to upgrade the WiFi at some campgrounds and need > >>>> suggestions. Right now I'm thinking about a 5 GHz Rocket on an > >>>> omni to a Nanobeam at each client access point. I think we should > >>>> offer connectivity to the campers in both 2.4 and 5 GHz. What do > >>>> you think? Unifi? > >>> > >>> > >>> --- > >>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > >>> http://www.avg.com > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > >
Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
We max out at 10Mbps. In testing the Unifi mesh, we consistently saw 18Mbps with 100 devices on 3 radios. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 6:40 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi on average what speed service are you selling campgrounds? I'm assuming 100-250 campers during peak times - Original Message - From: Layne Sisk<mailto:la...@serverplus.com> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi We support several campgrounds and I know it is more expensive, but you may want to at least consider Rukus gear. It seems quite stable in the environment. Layne Sisk ServerPlus 801.426.8283, ext 102 -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:34 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi Gotcha. Adam Moffett wrote: > Yeah, Rockets and Nanobeams are 802.11n 802.11ac is totally a thing > now. > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Jay Weekley" > mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> > To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> > Sent: 8/14/2017 2:30:55 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi > >> 11ac? >> >> Adam Moffett wrote: >>> If you're building new, why not 11ac instead of 11n? >>> >>> >>> -- Original Message -- >>> From: "Jay Weekley" >>> mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> >>> To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>> >>> Sent: 8/14/2017 2:27:50 PM >>> Subject: [AFMUG] campground wifi >>> >>>> We're looking to upgrade the WiFi at some campgrounds and need >>>> suggestions. Right now I'm thinking about a 5 GHz Rocket on an >>>> omni to a Nanobeam at each client access point. I think we should >>>> offer connectivity to the campers in both 2.4 and 5 GHz. What do >>>> you think? Unifi? >>> >>> >>> --- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >>> http://www.avg.com >>> >>> >> > >
Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
on average what speed service are you selling campgrounds? I'm assuming 100-250 campers during peak times - Original Message - From: Layne Sisk To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi We support several campgrounds and I know it is more expensive, but you may want to at least consider Rukus gear. It seems quite stable in the environment. Layne Sisk ServerPlus 801.426.8283, ext 102 -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:34 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi Gotcha. Adam Moffett wrote: > Yeah, Rockets and Nanobeams are 802.11n 802.11ac is totally a thing > now. > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Jay Weekley" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: 8/14/2017 2:30:55 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi > >> 11ac? >> >> Adam Moffett wrote: >>> If you're building new, why not 11ac instead of 11n? >>> >>> >>> -- Original Message -- >>> From: "Jay Weekley" >>> To: "af@afmug.com" >>> Sent: 8/14/2017 2:27:50 PM >>> Subject: [AFMUG] campground wifi >>> >>>> We're looking to upgrade the WiFi at some campgrounds and need >>>> suggestions. Right now I'm thinking about a 5 GHz Rocket on an >>>> omni to a Nanobeam at each client access point. I think we should >>>> offer connectivity to the campers in both 2.4 and 5 GHz. What do >>>> you think? Unifi? >>> >>> >>> --- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >>> http://www.avg.com >>> >>> >> > >
Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
isn't the latest unifi line ac? - Original Message - From: Jay Weekley To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi Gotcha. Adam Moffett wrote: > Yeah, Rockets and Nanobeams are 802.11n > 802.11ac is totally a thing now. > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Jay Weekley" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: 8/14/2017 2:30:55 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi > >> 11ac? >> >> Adam Moffett wrote: >>> If you're building new, why not 11ac instead of 11n? >>> >>> >>> -- Original Message -- >>> From: "Jay Weekley" >>> To: "af@afmug.com" >>> Sent: 8/14/2017 2:27:50 PM >>> Subject: [AFMUG] campground wifi >>> >>>> We're looking to upgrade the WiFi at some campgrounds and need >>>> suggestions. Right now I'm thinking about a 5 GHz Rocket on an >>>> omni to a Nanobeam at each client access point. I think we should >>>> offer connectivity to the campers in both 2.4 and 5 GHz. What do >>>> you think? Unifi? >>> >>> >>> --- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >>> http://www.avg.com >>> >>> >> > >
Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
My vote is on the new Ubiquiti mesh. Cheap and it works solidly. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Layne Sisk Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 1:51 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi We support several campgrounds and I know it is more expensive, but you may want to at least consider Rukus gear. It seems quite stable in the environment. Layne Sisk ServerPlus 801.426.8283, ext 102 -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:34 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi Gotcha. Adam Moffett wrote: > Yeah, Rockets and Nanobeams are 802.11n 802.11ac is totally a thing > now. > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Jay Weekley" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: 8/14/2017 2:30:55 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi > >> 11ac? >> >> Adam Moffett wrote: >>> If you're building new, why not 11ac instead of 11n? >>> >>> >>> -- Original Message -- >>> From: "Jay Weekley" >>> To: "af@afmug.com" >>> Sent: 8/14/2017 2:27:50 PM >>> Subject: [AFMUG] campground wifi >>> >>>> We're looking to upgrade the WiFi at some campgrounds and need >>>> suggestions. Right now I'm thinking about a 5 GHz Rocket on an >>>> omni to a Nanobeam at each client access point. I think we should >>>> offer connectivity to the campers in both 2.4 and 5 GHz. What do >>>> you think? Unifi? >>> >>> >>> --- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >>> http://www.avg.com >>> >>> >> > >
Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
We support several campgrounds and I know it is more expensive, but you may want to at least consider Rukus gear. It seems quite stable in the environment. Layne Sisk ServerPlus 801.426.8283, ext 102 -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:34 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi Gotcha. Adam Moffett wrote: > Yeah, Rockets and Nanobeams are 802.11n 802.11ac is totally a thing > now. > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Jay Weekley" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: 8/14/2017 2:30:55 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi > >> 11ac? >> >> Adam Moffett wrote: >>> If you're building new, why not 11ac instead of 11n? >>> >>> >>> -- Original Message -- >>> From: "Jay Weekley" >>> To: "af@afmug.com" >>> Sent: 8/14/2017 2:27:50 PM >>> Subject: [AFMUG] campground wifi >>> >>>> We're looking to upgrade the WiFi at some campgrounds and need >>>> suggestions. Right now I'm thinking about a 5 GHz Rocket on an >>>> omni to a Nanobeam at each client access point. I think we should >>>> offer connectivity to the campers in both 2.4 and 5 GHz. What do >>>> you think? Unifi? >>> >>> >>> --- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >>> http://www.avg.com >>> >>> >> > >
Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
Gotcha. Adam Moffett wrote: Yeah, Rockets and Nanobeams are 802.11n 802.11ac is totally a thing now. -- Original Message -- From: "Jay Weekley" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 8/14/2017 2:30:55 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi 11ac? Adam Moffett wrote: If you're building new, why not 11ac instead of 11n? -- Original Message -- From: "Jay Weekley" To: "af@afmug.com" Sent: 8/14/2017 2:27:50 PM Subject: [AFMUG] campground wifi We're looking to upgrade the WiFi at some campgrounds and need suggestions. Right now I'm thinking about a 5 GHz Rocket on an omni to a Nanobeam at each client access point. I think we should offer connectivity to the campers in both 2.4 and 5 GHz. What do you think? Unifi? --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com
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Yeah, Rockets and Nanobeams are 802.11n 802.11ac is totally a thing now. -- Original Message -- From: "Jay Weekley" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 8/14/2017 2:30:55 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi 11ac? Adam Moffett wrote: If you're building new, why not 11ac instead of 11n? -- Original Message -- From: "Jay Weekley" To: "af@afmug.com" Sent: 8/14/2017 2:27:50 PM Subject: [AFMUG] campground wifi We're looking to upgrade the WiFi at some campgrounds and need suggestions. Right now I'm thinking about a 5 GHz Rocket on an omni to a Nanobeam at each client access point. I think we should offer connectivity to the campers in both 2.4 and 5 GHz. What do you think? Unifi? --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com
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Personally, I would do WAPs at each locatin, you can use SXTs or nanobeams, depending on your speed requirements, AC would be required why I love WAPs. CAPSMAN at the main office and you are good :) Just my suggestion. Dennis Burgess www.linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – dmburg...@linktechs.net -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 1:28 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] campground wifi We're looking to upgrade the WiFi at some campgrounds and need suggestions. Right now I'm thinking about a 5 GHz Rocket on an omni to a Nanobeam at each client access point. I think we should offer connectivity to the campers in both 2.4 and 5 GHz. What do you think? Unifi?
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11ac? Adam Moffett wrote: If you're building new, why not 11ac instead of 11n? -- Original Message -- From: "Jay Weekley" To: "af@afmug.com" Sent: 8/14/2017 2:27:50 PM Subject: [AFMUG] campground wifi We're looking to upgrade the WiFi at some campgrounds and need suggestions. Right now I'm thinking about a 5 GHz Rocket on an omni to a Nanobeam at each client access point. I think we should offer connectivity to the campers in both 2.4 and 5 GHz. What do you think? Unifi? --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com
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If you're building new, why not 11ac instead of 11n? -- Original Message -- From: "Jay Weekley" To: "af@afmug.com" Sent: 8/14/2017 2:27:50 PM Subject: [AFMUG] campground wifi We're looking to upgrade the WiFi at some campgrounds and need suggestions. Right now I'm thinking about a 5 GHz Rocket on an omni to a Nanobeam at each client access point. I think we should offer connectivity to the campers in both 2.4 and 5 GHz. What do you think? Unifi?
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Yes and that’s quite impressive that they got the deals … but if you were there and used the wifi you wouldn’t feel the same – it sucked. But Ruckus might be getting the short end of the stick on that as so did cellular and everything else there (Brazil in particular). From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 4:46 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI I think Ruckus was used exclusively in the stadiums for the world cup. On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Paul Stewart mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> > wrote: Depends on where I am ;) Intercontinental, Holiday Inn typically…. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf Of Caleb Knauer Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 2:42 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI You must be staying in nicer hotels than I normally do if they can afford Aruba ;-) On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 2:40 PM, Paul Stewart mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> > wrote: For me it’s not the IBM analogy .. I know that analogy too well :) My $$$job we do a lot of things differently … of course we stick with some stuff that is well proven too (such as Juniper and Cisco in the network side of things). There are probably several thousand vendors of wifi gear out there – just a speculative guess. When it comes to major players, many of these names don’t get mentioned in discussions that I participate in. It’s not that I’ve never heard of Ruckus for example – I just have never seen it in action and I am always skeptical of what marketing brochures and websites say – proven many vendors wrong and broken a lot of systems. Compare that to Juniper, Cisco, or even Aruba – see them all over the place in my travels. Went to a few NHL games this year for example – all locations were Cisco. Went to a couple of ball games – all Cisco. Visited several customer sites late last year – Cisco at nine of them, and Juniper at one of them. Checked into various hotels and Aruba was being used. This is not saying that Ruckus isn’t possibly better or anything … and if we get time perhaps we will evaluate other options but like a lot of folks we have limited time to spend testing stuff. I know that we can drop Cisco into place and do everything we want it to do with minimal effort. Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf Of Daniel White Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 1:36 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI As Mike said… the IBM strategy. The old world thinking was no one ever got fired for buying IBM. No one ever gets fired for buying Cisco. Those certifications are similar to Apple almost giving away Mac’s to schools… you buy what you know. Ruckus and Ubiquiti are both much larger in units shipped than Cisco. I pay attention to every Wi-Fi access point I see… and while I don’t see much Xirrus (I do in convention centers… but outside of that I don’t think the business model fits well) I do see a lot of Ruckus and more and more Ubiquiti. Every tool has a purpose… not every manufacturer or product is the best fit for every situation (even though it may work). Daniel White (303) 746-3590 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 8:34 AM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Very well said .. I like your summary …. The “champions” description I compare to what I see deployed. Anytime I’m at a sporting event, public place, office complex etc I’m always curious to see what’s deployed for equipment (if I can see it). While I’m sure Ruckus and Xirrus are good products for some folks, I have never seen their stuff deployed. This doesn’t mean it’s good or bad gear … or going back to the Ferrari analogy, just because you don’t see a lot of them on the road doesn’t mean they aren’t one of the best built vehicles out there. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 10:15 AM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI I think it would be more productive of a comparative conversation if one was to describe why (Technical feature wise) the Ruckus and Xirrus are "champions" of the Wifi Space. I shudder every time there is a comparison made between MFG. since all of them make high-end and low-end stuff as well. The Strength of Ruckus WIFI solution is in the fact that their (most of them) Radio's do Beamforming very well, and when the Controller is used, the Controller will dynamically manage the Radios's Wifi settings and parameters. The Strength of Xirrus is, having recently looked at some XN8's, all I
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I think Ruckus was used exclusively in the stadiums for the world cup. On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Paul Stewart wrote: > Depends on where I am ;) Intercontinental, Holiday Inn typically…. > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Caleb Knauer > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2015 2:42 PM > > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI > > > > You must be staying in nicer hotels than I normally do if they can afford > Aruba ;-) > > > > On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 2:40 PM, Paul Stewart > wrote: > > For me it’s not the IBM analogy .. I know that analogy too well J > > > > My $$$job we do a lot of things differently … of course we stick with some > stuff that is well proven too (such as Juniper and Cisco in the network > side of things). There are probably several thousand vendors of wifi gear > out there – just a speculative guess. When it comes to major players, many > of these names don’t get mentioned in discussions that I participate in. > > > > It’s not that I’ve never heard of Ruckus for example – I just have never > seen it in action and I am always skeptical of what marketing brochures and > websites say – proven many vendors wrong and broken a lot of systems. > Compare that to Juniper, Cisco, or even Aruba – see them all over the place > in my travels. Went to a few NHL games this year for example – all > locations were Cisco. Went to a couple of ball games – all Cisco. Visited > several customer sites late last year – Cisco at nine of them, and Juniper > at one of them. Checked into various hotels and Aruba was being used. > > > > This is not saying that Ruckus isn’t possibly better or anything … and if > we get time perhaps we will evaluate other options but like a lot of folks > we have limited time to spend testing stuff. I know that we can drop Cisco > into place and do everything we want it to do with minimal effort. > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Daniel White > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2015 1:36 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI > > > > As Mike said… the IBM strategy. The old world thinking was no one ever > got fired for buying IBM. No one ever gets fired for buying Cisco. Those > certifications are similar to Apple almost giving away Mac’s to schools… > you buy what you know. > > > > Ruckus and Ubiquiti are both much larger in units shipped than Cisco. I > pay attention to every Wi-Fi access point I see… and while I don’t see much > Xirrus (I do in convention centers… but outside of that I don’t think the > business model fits well) I do see a lot of Ruckus and more and more > Ubiquiti. > > > > Every tool has a purpose… not every manufacturer or product is the best > fit for every situation (even though it may work). > > > > Daniel White > > (303) 746-3590 > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Paul Stewart > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2015 8:34 AM > > > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI > > > > Very well said .. I like your summary …. > > > > The “champions” description I compare to what I see deployed. Anytime I’m > at a sporting event, public place, office complex etc I’m always curious to > see what’s deployed for equipment (if I can see it). While I’m sure Ruckus > and Xirrus are good products for some folks, I have never seen their stuff > deployed. This doesn’t mean it’s good or bad gear … or going back to the > Ferrari analogy, just because you don’t see a lot of them on the road > doesn’t mean they aren’t one of the best built vehicles out there. > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Faisal Imtiaz > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2015 10:15 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI > > > > I think it would be more productive of a comparative conversation if one > was to describe why (Technical feature wise) the Ruckus and Xirrus are > "champions" of the Wifi Space. > > > > I shudder every time there is a comparison made between MFG. since all of > them make high-end and low-end stuff as well. > > > > The Strength of Ruckus WIFI solution is in the fact that their (most of > them) Radio's do Beamforming very well, and when the Controller is used, > the Controller will dynamically manage the Radios's Wifi settings and > parameters. > > > > The Strength of Xirrus is, having recently looked at some XN8's, all I can > say is WOW !, if you forget the price for a moment, if anyone had a Dream > R
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Depends on where I am ;) Intercontinental, Holiday Inn typically…. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Caleb Knauer Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 2:42 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI You must be staying in nicer hotels than I normally do if they can afford Aruba ;-) On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 2:40 PM, Paul Stewart mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> > wrote: For me it’s not the IBM analogy .. I know that analogy too well :) My $$$job we do a lot of things differently … of course we stick with some stuff that is well proven too (such as Juniper and Cisco in the network side of things). There are probably several thousand vendors of wifi gear out there – just a speculative guess. When it comes to major players, many of these names don’t get mentioned in discussions that I participate in. It’s not that I’ve never heard of Ruckus for example – I just have never seen it in action and I am always skeptical of what marketing brochures and websites say – proven many vendors wrong and broken a lot of systems. Compare that to Juniper, Cisco, or even Aruba – see them all over the place in my travels. Went to a few NHL games this year for example – all locations were Cisco. Went to a couple of ball games – all Cisco. Visited several customer sites late last year – Cisco at nine of them, and Juniper at one of them. Checked into various hotels and Aruba was being used. This is not saying that Ruckus isn’t possibly better or anything … and if we get time perhaps we will evaluate other options but like a lot of folks we have limited time to spend testing stuff. I know that we can drop Cisco into place and do everything we want it to do with minimal effort. Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf Of Daniel White Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 1:36 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI As Mike said… the IBM strategy. The old world thinking was no one ever got fired for buying IBM. No one ever gets fired for buying Cisco. Those certifications are similar to Apple almost giving away Mac’s to schools… you buy what you know. Ruckus and Ubiquiti are both much larger in units shipped than Cisco. I pay attention to every Wi-Fi access point I see… and while I don’t see much Xirrus (I do in convention centers… but outside of that I don’t think the business model fits well) I do see a lot of Ruckus and more and more Ubiquiti. Every tool has a purpose… not every manufacturer or product is the best fit for every situation (even though it may work). Daniel White (303) 746-3590 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 8:34 AM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Very well said .. I like your summary …. The “champions” description I compare to what I see deployed. Anytime I’m at a sporting event, public place, office complex etc I’m always curious to see what’s deployed for equipment (if I can see it). While I’m sure Ruckus and Xirrus are good products for some folks, I have never seen their stuff deployed. This doesn’t mean it’s good or bad gear … or going back to the Ferrari analogy, just because you don’t see a lot of them on the road doesn’t mean they aren’t one of the best built vehicles out there. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 10:15 AM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI I think it would be more productive of a comparative conversation if one was to describe why (Technical feature wise) the Ruckus and Xirrus are "champions" of the Wifi Space. I shudder every time there is a comparison made between MFG. since all of them make high-end and low-end stuff as well. The Strength of Ruckus WIFI solution is in the fact that their (most of them) Radio's do Beamforming very well, and when the Controller is used, the Controller will dynamically manage the Radios's Wifi settings and parameters. The Strength of Xirrus is, having recently looked at some XN8's, all I can say is WOW !, if you forget the price for a moment, if anyone had a Dream Radio Array features Wish List, guess what, they have all of those feature built in. It is a piece of equipment with multiple radios (4,8,16) a combination of 2.4ghz and 5ghz radios which can be configured to pretty much any configuration, combination you like Does that mean that the above two is the only way to go ? No it is very much possible to configure Unifi's, with the right product selection, to accomplish similar results. And yes, if you are looking for a particular feature set, you have to pay attention to which units you are using, because all of t
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You must be staying in nicer hotels than I normally do if they can afford Aruba ;-) On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 2:40 PM, Paul Stewart wrote: > For me it’s not the IBM analogy .. I know that analogy too well J > > > > My $$$job we do a lot of things differently … of course we stick with some > stuff that is well proven too (such as Juniper and Cisco in the network > side of things). There are probably several thousand vendors of wifi gear > out there – just a speculative guess. When it comes to major players, many > of these names don’t get mentioned in discussions that I participate in. > > > > It’s not that I’ve never heard of Ruckus for example – I just have never > seen it in action and I am always skeptical of what marketing brochures and > websites say – proven many vendors wrong and broken a lot of systems. > Compare that to Juniper, Cisco, or even Aruba – see them all over the place > in my travels. Went to a few NHL games this year for example – all > locations were Cisco. Went to a couple of ball games – all Cisco. Visited > several customer sites late last year – Cisco at nine of them, and Juniper > at one of them. Checked into various hotels and Aruba was being used. > > > > This is not saying that Ruckus isn’t possibly better or anything … and if > we get time perhaps we will evaluate other options but like a lot of folks > we have limited time to spend testing stuff. I know that we can drop Cisco > into place and do everything we want it to do with minimal effort. > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Daniel White > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2015 1:36 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI > > > > As Mike said… the IBM strategy. The old world thinking was no one ever > got fired for buying IBM. No one ever gets fired for buying Cisco. Those > certifications are similar to Apple almost giving away Mac’s to schools… > you buy what you know. > > > > Ruckus and Ubiquiti are both much larger in units shipped than Cisco. I > pay attention to every Wi-Fi access point I see… and while I don’t see much > Xirrus (I do in convention centers… but outside of that I don’t think the > business model fits well) I do see a lot of Ruckus and more and more > Ubiquiti. > > > > Every tool has a purpose… not every manufacturer or product is the best > fit for every situation (even though it may work). > > > > Daniel White > > (303) 746-3590 > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Paul Stewart > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2015 8:34 AM > > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI > > > > Very well said .. I like your summary …. > > > > The “champions” description I compare to what I see deployed. Anytime I’m > at a sporting event, public place, office complex etc I’m always curious to > see what’s deployed for equipment (if I can see it). While I’m sure Ruckus > and Xirrus are good products for some folks, I have never seen their stuff > deployed. This doesn’t mean it’s good or bad gear … or going back to the > Ferrari analogy, just because you don’t see a lot of them on the road > doesn’t mean they aren’t one of the best built vehicles out there. > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Faisal Imtiaz > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2015 10:15 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI > > > > I think it would be more productive of a comparative conversation if one > was to describe why (Technical feature wise) the Ruckus and Xirrus are > "champions" of the Wifi Space. > > > > I shudder every time there is a comparison made between MFG. since all of > them make high-end and low-end stuff as well. > > > > The Strength of Ruckus WIFI solution is in the fact that their (most of > them) Radio's do Beamforming very well, and when the Controller is used, > the Controller will dynamically manage the Radios's Wifi settings and > parameters. > > > > The Strength of Xirrus is, having recently looked at some XN8's, all I can > say is WOW !, if you forget the price for a moment, if anyone had a Dream > Radio Array features Wish List, guess what, they have all of those feature > built in. It is a piece of equipment with multiple radios (4,8,16) a > combination of 2.4ghz and 5ghz radios which can be configured to pretty > much any configuration, combination you like > > > > Does that mean that the above two is the only way to go ? No it is very > much possible to configure Unifi's, with the right product selection,
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Sounds good! On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Paul Stewart wrote: > I’ll mention it to some folks internally .. thanks…. > > > > Paul > > > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ben Moore > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2015 1:11 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI > > > > Hi Paul - > > > > I think it would make a lot of sense to push this through support. If you > can send a ticket # we can review. They can login and check out settings, > etc... > > > > Thanks, > > Ben > > > > On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 6:27 AM, Paul Stewart > wrote: > > We’ve done that before and gotten nowhere… I really believe it’s UBNT not > playing well with high levels of RF from nearby buildings but haven’t > personally looked at this very much. There are other reasons that we may > be looking at Cisco or other from a features perspective too > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Faisal Imtiaz > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 10:21 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI > > > > That sounds like something not configured or setup properly, I will > recommend you talk to UBNT support to see if they help you track down > optimize your setup. > > > > :) > > > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > > > -- > > *From: *"Paul Stewart" > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Tuesday, May 26, 2015 9:21:28 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI > > > > We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working on a > plan to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;) > > > > When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t seem > to deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to a > snails pace. It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of the > time despite traffic prioritization. I’d take a guess at around 120 users > during the day and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7). > > > > Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at all … > not even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. I’ve > read the latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though…. > > > > I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in cost > but for our application, cost is secondary compared to > performance/stability. > > > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM > *To:* Animal Farm > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI > > > > Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti > AC Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much better and > easy to manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and > security knows where they are at all times. Used at both Speaking Rock and > Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for > cattle association. Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day > > Jaime Solorza > > On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, "Craig House" wrote: > > Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a > tower site. Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth > available to this tower. The campground area is about 110 acres and about > 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X > WIFI service. UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with > their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to > recreate the wheel here. This is not in my normal course of business but > the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here > all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff? What are your > recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup. What is > the best way to market this type of service? Free for basic minimal > speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it. Or Just bill for anything > one lower package and one higher package? Has anyone on the list tried > this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make and what did you > end up using? Ive made enough mistakes in the past with other stuff. I > have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with . > > > > Craig > > > > >
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Ahhh.. that makes more sense… I thought it was someone Sigma Blackbelt certified installing wireless ;) From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 2:17 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Cisco trained wireless engineer with his Ccne and works for Sigma Technologies Jaime Solorza On May 27, 2015 1:36 PM, "Daniel White" mailto:afmu...@gmail.com> > wrote: As Mike said… the IBM strategy. The old world thinking was no one ever got fired for buying IBM. No one ever gets fired for buying Cisco. Those certifications are similar to Apple almost giving away Mac’s to schools… you buy what you know. Ruckus and Ubiquiti are both much larger in units shipped than Cisco. I pay attention to every Wi-Fi access point I see… and while I don’t see much Xirrus (I do in convention centers… but outside of that I don’t think the business model fits well) I do see a lot of Ruckus and more and more Ubiquiti. Every tool has a purpose… not every manufacturer or product is the best fit for every situation (even though it may work). Daniel White (303) 746-3590 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 8:34 AM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Very well said .. I like your summary …. The “champions” description I compare to what I see deployed. Anytime I’m at a sporting event, public place, office complex etc I’m always curious to see what’s deployed for equipment (if I can see it). While I’m sure Ruckus and Xirrus are good products for some folks, I have never seen their stuff deployed. This doesn’t mean it’s good or bad gear … or going back to the Ferrari analogy, just because you don’t see a lot of them on the road doesn’t mean they aren’t one of the best built vehicles out there. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 10:15 AM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI I think it would be more productive of a comparative conversation if one was to describe why (Technical feature wise) the Ruckus and Xirrus are "champions" of the Wifi Space. I shudder every time there is a comparison made between MFG. since all of them make high-end and low-end stuff as well. The Strength of Ruckus WIFI solution is in the fact that their (most of them) Radio's do Beamforming very well, and when the Controller is used, the Controller will dynamically manage the Radios's Wifi settings and parameters. The Strength of Xirrus is, having recently looked at some XN8's, all I can say is WOW !, if you forget the price for a moment, if anyone had a Dream Radio Array features Wish List, guess what, they have all of those feature built in. It is a piece of equipment with multiple radios (4,8,16) a combination of 2.4ghz and 5ghz radios which can be configured to pretty much any configuration, combination you like Does that mean that the above two is the only way to go ? No it is very much possible to configure Unifi's, with the right product selection, to accomplish similar results. And yes, if you are looking for a particular feature set, you have to pay attention to which units you are using, because all of the Unifi radios don't support all the features. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net <mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net> _ From: "Mike Hammett" mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 8:34:09 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI I had a car analogy lined up, but I saw too many holes in my own analogy. Ruckus and Xirrus are the champions of the WiFi space. They are the very best of the best. UniFi is good enough for most situations and is considerably less expensive. Cisco isn't winning any awards and is really only considered by people playing the IBM strategy. It's more expensive than the better options of UniFi and Xirrus. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com _ From: "Paul Stewart" mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:22:37 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Well you haven’t provided any good reasons …. I’ve never used Ruckus/Xirrus to be honest and we don’t have the luxury of “trial and error” with products we’ve never used – so the reasons would be to be quite compelling. Always open to ideas … Ben – you asked if we had conta
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For me it’s not the IBM analogy .. I know that analogy too well :) My $$$job we do a lot of things differently … of course we stick with some stuff that is well proven too (such as Juniper and Cisco in the network side of things). There are probably several thousand vendors of wifi gear out there – just a speculative guess. When it comes to major players, many of these names don’t get mentioned in discussions that I participate in. It’s not that I’ve never heard of Ruckus for example – I just have never seen it in action and I am always skeptical of what marketing brochures and websites say – proven many vendors wrong and broken a lot of systems. Compare that to Juniper, Cisco, or even Aruba – see them all over the place in my travels. Went to a few NHL games this year for example – all locations were Cisco. Went to a couple of ball games – all Cisco. Visited several customer sites late last year – Cisco at nine of them, and Juniper at one of them. Checked into various hotels and Aruba was being used. This is not saying that Ruckus isn’t possibly better or anything … and if we get time perhaps we will evaluate other options but like a lot of folks we have limited time to spend testing stuff. I know that we can drop Cisco into place and do everything we want it to do with minimal effort. Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Daniel White Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 1:36 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI As Mike said… the IBM strategy. The old world thinking was no one ever got fired for buying IBM. No one ever gets fired for buying Cisco. Those certifications are similar to Apple almost giving away Mac’s to schools… you buy what you know. Ruckus and Ubiquiti are both much larger in units shipped than Cisco. I pay attention to every Wi-Fi access point I see… and while I don’t see much Xirrus (I do in convention centers… but outside of that I don’t think the business model fits well) I do see a lot of Ruckus and more and more Ubiquiti. Every tool has a purpose… not every manufacturer or product is the best fit for every situation (even though it may work). Daniel White (303) 746-3590 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 8:34 AM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Very well said .. I like your summary …. The “champions” description I compare to what I see deployed. Anytime I’m at a sporting event, public place, office complex etc I’m always curious to see what’s deployed for equipment (if I can see it). While I’m sure Ruckus and Xirrus are good products for some folks, I have never seen their stuff deployed. This doesn’t mean it’s good or bad gear … or going back to the Ferrari analogy, just because you don’t see a lot of them on the road doesn’t mean they aren’t one of the best built vehicles out there. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 10:15 AM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI I think it would be more productive of a comparative conversation if one was to describe why (Technical feature wise) the Ruckus and Xirrus are "champions" of the Wifi Space. I shudder every time there is a comparison made between MFG. since all of them make high-end and low-end stuff as well. The Strength of Ruckus WIFI solution is in the fact that their (most of them) Radio's do Beamforming very well, and when the Controller is used, the Controller will dynamically manage the Radios's Wifi settings and parameters. The Strength of Xirrus is, having recently looked at some XN8's, all I can say is WOW !, if you forget the price for a moment, if anyone had a Dream Radio Array features Wish List, guess what, they have all of those feature built in. It is a piece of equipment with multiple radios (4,8,16) a combination of 2.4ghz and 5ghz radios which can be configured to pretty much any configuration, combination you like Does that mean that the above two is the only way to go ? No it is very much possible to configure Unifi's, with the right product selection, to accomplish similar results. And yes, if you are looking for a particular feature set, you have to pay attention to which units you are using, because all of the Unifi radios don't support all the features. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net <mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net> _ From: "Mike Hammett" mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 8:34:09 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WI
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I’ll mention it to some folks internally .. thanks…. Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ben Moore Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 1:11 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Hi Paul - I think it would make a lot of sense to push this through support. If you can send a ticket # we can review. They can login and check out settings, etc... Thanks, Ben On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 6:27 AM, Paul Stewart mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> > wrote: We’ve done that before and gotten nowhere… I really believe it’s UBNT not playing well with high levels of RF from nearby buildings but haven’t personally looked at this very much. There are other reasons that we may be looking at Cisco or other from a features perspective too From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 10:21 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI That sounds like something not configured or setup properly, I will recommend you talk to UBNT support to see if they help you track down optimize your setup. :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net <mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net> _ From: "Paul Stewart" mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 9:21:28 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working on a plan to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;) When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t seem to deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to a snails pace. It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of the time despite traffic prioritization. I’d take a guess at around 120 users during the day and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7). Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at all … not even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. I’ve read the latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though…. I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in cost but for our application, cost is secondary compared to performance/stability. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti AC Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much better and easy to manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and security knows where they are at all times. Used at both Speaking Rock and Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for cattle association. Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day Jaime Solorza On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, "Craig House" mailto:cr...@totalhighspeed.net> > wrote: Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a tower site. Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth available to this tower. The campground area is about 110 acres and about 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X WIFI service. UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to recreate the wheel here. This is not in my normal course of business but the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff? What are your recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup. What is the best way to market this type of service? Free for basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it. Or Just bill for anything one lower package and one higher package? Has anyone on the list tried this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make and what did you end up using? Ive made enough mistakes in the past with other stuff. I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with . Craig
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Pricing sheet I found online... http://www.peppm.org/Products/xirrus/price.pdf Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: > FWIW. > > >>>>>They aren’t as good outdoor since they don’t have 802.11ac yet but > with the right antennas, they can dominate an area. > > They do have 802.11ac radios pricey they are ! . > http://www.xirrus.com/product-comparison/ > > As for outdoors, they take a different approach, while you can add > antennas, they have an outdoor case that allows for mounting these large > pucks > > :) > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > > -- > > *From: *"Rory Conaway" > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Wednesday, May 27, 2015 10:43:04 AM > > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI > > I know Xirrus better than I know Ruckus but Ruckus is pretty much the > standard for large scale, professional deployments nowadays. Their tools > are outstanding, their radios are capable of handling up to a couple > thousand users simultaneously, and their firmware/management tools are > excellent, including their security features. > > > > Xirrus isn’t as big a player outdoor but the granularity of their > firmware/management tools is amazing. They have Procera firmware built > into every AP and every AP is essentially a controller by itself. They > aren’t as good outdoor since they don’t have 802.11ac yet but with the > right antennas, they can dominate an area. They can even do things like > turn off beaconing for 802.11b at 1, 2, and 5Mbps but leave it on for > 11Mbps. Ruckus is easier to install with integrated outdoor units but > Xirrus is the next level up. Indoor, Xirrus has no equal. > > > > Rory > > > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Stewart > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:34 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI > > > > Very well said .. I like your summary …. > > > > The “champions” description I compare to what I see deployed. Anytime I’m > at a sporting event, public place, office complex etc I’m always curious to > see what’s deployed for equipment (if I can see it). While I’m sure Ruckus > and Xirrus are good products for some folks, I have never seen their stuff > deployed. This doesn’t mean it’s good or bad gear … or going back to the > Ferrari analogy, just because you don’t see a lot of them on the road > doesn’t mean they aren’t one of the best built vehicles out there. > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Faisal Imtiaz > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2015 10:15 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI > > > > I think it would be more productive of a comparative conversation if one > was to describe why (Technical feature wise) the Ruckus and Xirrus are > "champions" of the Wifi Space. > > > > I shudder every time there is a comparison made between MFG. since all of > them make high-end and low-end stuff as well. > > > > The Strength of Ruckus WIFI solution is in the fact that their (most of > them) Radio's do Beamforming very well, and when the Controller is used, > the Controller will dynamically manage the Radios's Wifi settings and > parameters. > > > > The Strength of Xirrus is, having recently looked at some XN8's, all I can > say is WOW !, if you forget the price for a moment, if anyone had a Dream > Radio Array features Wish List, guess what, they have all of those feature > built in. It is a piece of equipment with multiple radios (4,8,16) a > combination of 2.4ghz and 5ghz radios which can be configured to pretty > much any configuration, combination you like > > > > Does that mean that the above two is the only way to go ? No it is very > much possible to configure Unifi's, with the right product selection, to > accomplish similar results. And yes, if you are looking for a particular > feature set, you have to pay attention to which units you are using, > because all of the Unifi radios don't support all the features. > > > > Regards. > > > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > > > -- > > *From: *"
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Cisco trained wireless engineer with his Ccne and works for Sigma Technologies Jaime Solorza On May 27, 2015 1:36 PM, "Daniel White" wrote: > As Mike said… the IBM strategy. The old world thinking was no one ever > got fired for buying IBM. No one ever gets fired for buying Cisco. Those > certifications are similar to Apple almost giving away Mac’s to schools… > you buy what you know. > > > > Ruckus and Ubiquiti are both much larger in units shipped than Cisco. I > pay attention to every Wi-Fi access point I see… and while I don’t see much > Xirrus (I do in convention centers… but outside of that I don’t think the > business model fits well) I do see a lot of Ruckus and more and more > Ubiquiti. > > > > Every tool has a purpose… not every manufacturer or product is the best > fit for every situation (even though it may work). > > > > Daniel White > > (303) 746-3590 > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Stewart > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2015 8:34 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI > > > > Very well said .. I like your summary …. > > > > The “champions” description I compare to what I see deployed. Anytime I’m > at a sporting event, public place, office complex etc I’m always curious to > see what’s deployed for equipment (if I can see it). While I’m sure Ruckus > and Xirrus are good products for some folks, I have never seen their stuff > deployed. This doesn’t mean it’s good or bad gear … or going back to the > Ferrari analogy, just because you don’t see a lot of them on the road > doesn’t mean they aren’t one of the best built vehicles out there. > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Faisal Imtiaz > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2015 10:15 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI > > > > I think it would be more productive of a comparative conversation if one > was to describe why (Technical feature wise) the Ruckus and Xirrus are > "champions" of the Wifi Space. > > > > I shudder every time there is a comparison made between MFG. since all of > them make high-end and low-end stuff as well. > > > > The Strength of Ruckus WIFI solution is in the fact that their (most of > them) Radio's do Beamforming very well, and when the Controller is used, > the Controller will dynamically manage the Radios's Wifi settings and > parameters. > > > > The Strength of Xirrus is, having recently looked at some XN8's, all I can > say is WOW !, if you forget the price for a moment, if anyone had a Dream > Radio Array features Wish List, guess what, they have all of those feature > built in. It is a piece of equipment with multiple radios (4,8,16) a > combination of 2.4ghz and 5ghz radios which can be configured to pretty > much any configuration, combination you like > > > > Does that mean that the above two is the only way to go ? No it is very > much possible to configure Unifi's, with the right product selection, to > accomplish similar results. And yes, if you are looking for a particular > feature set, you have to pay attention to which units you are using, > because all of the Unifi radios don't support all the features. > > > > Regards. > > > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > > > -- > > *From: *"Mike Hammett" > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Wednesday, May 27, 2015 8:34:09 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI > > > > I had a car analogy lined up, but I saw too many holes in my own analogy. > > > > Ruckus and Xirrus are the champions of the WiFi space. They are the very > best of the best. > > > > UniFi is good enough for most situations and is considerably less > expensive. > > > > Cisco isn't winning any awards and is really only considered by people > playing the IBM strategy. It's more expensive than the better options of > UniFi and Xirrus. > > > > > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > -- > > *From: *"Paul Stewart" > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:22:37 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI > > > > Well you haven’t provided any good reasons …. I’ve never used > Ruckus/Xirrus to be honest and we don’t have the luxury of “trial and > error” with
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As Mike said… the IBM strategy. The old world thinking was no one ever got fired for buying IBM. No one ever gets fired for buying Cisco. Those certifications are similar to Apple almost giving away Mac’s to schools… you buy what you know. Ruckus and Ubiquiti are both much larger in units shipped than Cisco. I pay attention to every Wi-Fi access point I see… and while I don’t see much Xirrus (I do in convention centers… but outside of that I don’t think the business model fits well) I do see a lot of Ruckus and more and more Ubiquiti. Every tool has a purpose… not every manufacturer or product is the best fit for every situation (even though it may work). Daniel White (303) 746-3590 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 8:34 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Very well said .. I like your summary …. The “champions” description I compare to what I see deployed. Anytime I’m at a sporting event, public place, office complex etc I’m always curious to see what’s deployed for equipment (if I can see it). While I’m sure Ruckus and Xirrus are good products for some folks, I have never seen their stuff deployed. This doesn’t mean it’s good or bad gear … or going back to the Ferrari analogy, just because you don’t see a lot of them on the road doesn’t mean they aren’t one of the best built vehicles out there. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 10:15 AM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI I think it would be more productive of a comparative conversation if one was to describe why (Technical feature wise) the Ruckus and Xirrus are "champions" of the Wifi Space. I shudder every time there is a comparison made between MFG. since all of them make high-end and low-end stuff as well. The Strength of Ruckus WIFI solution is in the fact that their (most of them) Radio's do Beamforming very well, and when the Controller is used, the Controller will dynamically manage the Radios's Wifi settings and parameters. The Strength of Xirrus is, having recently looked at some XN8's, all I can say is WOW !, if you forget the price for a moment, if anyone had a Dream Radio Array features Wish List, guess what, they have all of those feature built in. It is a piece of equipment with multiple radios (4,8,16) a combination of 2.4ghz and 5ghz radios which can be configured to pretty much any configuration, combination you like Does that mean that the above two is the only way to go ? No it is very much possible to configure Unifi's, with the right product selection, to accomplish similar results. And yes, if you are looking for a particular feature set, you have to pay attention to which units you are using, because all of the Unifi radios don't support all the features. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net <mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net> _ From: "Mike Hammett" mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 8:34:09 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI I had a car analogy lined up, but I saw too many holes in my own analogy. Ruckus and Xirrus are the champions of the WiFi space. They are the very best of the best. UniFi is good enough for most situations and is considerably less expensive. Cisco isn't winning any awards and is really only considered by people playing the IBM strategy. It's more expensive than the better options of UniFi and Xirrus. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com _ From: "Paul Stewart" mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:22:37 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Well you haven’t provided any good reasons …. I’ve never used Ruckus/Xirrus to be honest and we don’t have the luxury of “trial and error” with products we’ve never used – so the reasons would be to be quite compelling. Always open to ideas … Ben – you asked if we had contacted support… short answer is yes but I don’t have the details as it’s handled by another group…. Thanks, Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 10:13 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Then you want Ruckus\Xirrus, not Cisco. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com
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Hi Paul - I think it would make a lot of sense to push this through support. If you can send a ticket # we can review. They can login and check out settings, etc... Thanks, Ben On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 6:27 AM, Paul Stewart wrote: > We’ve done that before and gotten nowhere… I really believe it’s UBNT not > playing well with high levels of RF from nearby buildings but haven’t > personally looked at this very much. There are other reasons that we may > be looking at Cisco or other from a features perspective too > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Faisal Imtiaz > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 10:21 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI > > > > That sounds like something not configured or setup properly, I will > recommend you talk to UBNT support to see if they help you track down > optimize your setup. > > > > :) > > > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > > > ------ > > *From: *"Paul Stewart" > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Tuesday, May 26, 2015 9:21:28 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI > > > > We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working on a > plan to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;) > > > > When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t seem > to deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to a > snails pace. It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of the > time despite traffic prioritization. I’d take a guess at around 120 users > during the day and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7). > > > > Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at all … > not even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. I’ve > read the latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though…. > > > > I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in cost > but for our application, cost is secondary compared to > performance/stability. > > > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM > *To:* Animal Farm > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI > > > > Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti > AC Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much better and > easy to manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and > security knows where they are at all times. Used at both Speaking Rock and > Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for > cattle association. Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day > > Jaime Solorza > > On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, "Craig House" wrote: > > Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a > tower site. Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth > available to this tower. The campground area is about 110 acres and about > 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X > WIFI service. UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with > their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to > recreate the wheel here. This is not in my normal course of business but > the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here > all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff? What are your > recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup. What is > the best way to market this type of service? Free for basic minimal > speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it. Or Just bill for anything > one lower package and one higher package? Has anyone on the list tried > this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make and what did you > end up using? Ive made enough mistakes in the past with other stuff. I > have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with . > > > > Craig > > >
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FWIW. >>>>> They aren’t as good outdoor since they don’t have 802.11ac yet but with >>>>> the right antennas, they can dominate an area. They do have 802.11ac radios pricey they are ! . http://www.xirrus.com/product-comparison/ As for outdoors, they take a different approach, while you can add antennas, they have an outdoor case that allows for mounting these large pucks :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - > From: "Rory Conaway" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 10:43:04 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI > I know Xirrus better than I know Ruckus but Ruckus is pretty much the > standard for large scale, professional deployments nowadays. Their tools are > outstanding, their radios are capable of handling up to a couple thousand > users simultaneously, and their firmware/management tools are excellent, > including their security features. > Xirrus isn’t as big a player outdoor but the granularity of their > firmware/management tools is amazing. They have Procera firmware built into > every AP and every AP is essentially a controller by itself. They aren’t as > good outdoor since they don’t have 802.11ac yet but with the right antennas, > they can dominate an area. They can even do things like turn off beaconing > for 802.11b at 1, 2, and 5Mbps but leave it on for 11Mbps. Ruckus is easier > to install with integrated outdoor units but Xirrus is the next level up. > Indoor, Xirrus has no equal. > Rory > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:34 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI > Very well said .. I like your summary …. > The “champions” description I compare to what I see deployed. Anytime I’m at > a sporting event, public place, office complex etc I’m always curious to see > what’s deployed for equipment (if I can see it). While I’m sure Ruckus and > Xirrus are good products for some folks, I have never seen their stuff > deployed. This doesn’t mean it’s good or bad gear … or going back to the > Ferrari analogy, just because you don’t see a lot of them on the road > doesn’t mean they aren’t one of the best built vehicles out there. > From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 10:15 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI > I think it would be more productive of a comparative conversation if one was > to describe why (Technical feature wise) the Ruckus and Xirrus are > "champions" of the Wifi Space. > I shudder every time there is a comparison made between MFG. since all of > them make high-end and low-end stuff as well. > The Strength of Ruckus WIFI solution is in the fact that their (most of them) > Radio's do Beamforming very well, and when the Controller is used, the > Controller will dynamically manage the Radios's Wifi settings and > parameters. > The Strength of Xirrus is, having recently looked at some XN8's, all I can > say is WOW !, if you forget the price for a moment, if anyone had a Dream > Radio Array features Wish List, guess what, they have all of those feature > built in. It is a piece of equipment with multiple radios (4,8,16) a > combination of 2.4ghz and 5ghz radios which can be configured to pretty much > any configuration, combination you like > Does that mean that the above two is the only way to go ? No it is very much > possible to configure Unifi's, with the right product selection, to > accomplish similar results. And yes, if you are looking for a particular > feature set, you have to pay attention to which units you are using, because > all of the Unifi radios don't support all the features. > Regards. > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > > From: "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > > > > To: af@afmug.com > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 8:34:09 AM > > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI > > > I had a car analogy lined up, but I saw too many holes in my own analogy. > > > Ruckus and Xirrus are the champions of the WiFi space. They are the very > > best > > of the best. > > > UniFi is good enough for most situations and is considerably less > > expensive. > > > Cisco isn't winning any awards and is really only considered by people > >
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I know Xirrus better than I know Ruckus but Ruckus is pretty much the standard for large scale, professional deployments nowadays. Their tools are outstanding, their radios are capable of handling up to a couple thousand users simultaneously, and their firmware/management tools are excellent, including their security features. Xirrus isn’t as big a player outdoor but the granularity of their firmware/management tools is amazing. They have Procera firmware built into every AP and every AP is essentially a controller by itself. They aren’t as good outdoor since they don’t have 802.11ac yet but with the right antennas, they can dominate an area. They can even do things like turn off beaconing for 802.11b at 1, 2, and 5Mbps but leave it on for 11Mbps. Ruckus is easier to install with integrated outdoor units but Xirrus is the next level up. Indoor, Xirrus has no equal. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:34 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Very well said .. I like your summary …. The “champions” description I compare to what I see deployed. Anytime I’m at a sporting event, public place, office complex etc I’m always curious to see what’s deployed for equipment (if I can see it). While I’m sure Ruckus and Xirrus are good products for some folks, I have never seen their stuff deployed. This doesn’t mean it’s good or bad gear … or going back to the Ferrari analogy, just because you don’t see a lot of them on the road doesn’t mean they aren’t one of the best built vehicles out there. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 10:15 AM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI I think it would be more productive of a comparative conversation if one was to describe why (Technical feature wise) the Ruckus and Xirrus are "champions" of the Wifi Space. I shudder every time there is a comparison made between MFG. since all of them make high-end and low-end stuff as well. The Strength of Ruckus WIFI solution is in the fact that their (most of them) Radio's do Beamforming very well, and when the Controller is used, the Controller will dynamically manage the Radios's Wifi settings and parameters. The Strength of Xirrus is, having recently looked at some XN8's, all I can say is WOW !, if you forget the price for a moment, if anyone had a Dream Radio Array features Wish List, guess what, they have all of those feature built in. It is a piece of equipment with multiple radios (4,8,16) a combination of 2.4ghz and 5ghz radios which can be configured to pretty much any configuration, combination you like Does that mean that the above two is the only way to go ? No it is very much possible to configure Unifi's, with the right product selection, to accomplish similar results. And yes, if you are looking for a particular feature set, you have to pay attention to which units you are using, because all of the Unifi radios don't support all the features. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net<mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net> From: "Mike Hammett" mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 8:34:09 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI I had a car analogy lined up, but I saw too many holes in my own analogy. Ruckus and Xirrus are the champions of the WiFi space. They are the very best of the best. UniFi is good enough for most situations and is considerably less expensive. Cisco isn't winning any awards and is really only considered by people playing the IBM strategy. It's more expensive than the better options of UniFi and Xirrus. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Paul Stewart" mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:22:37 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Well you haven’t provided any good reasons …. I’ve never used Ruckus/Xirrus to be honest and we don’t have the luxury of “trial and error” with products we’ve never used – so the reasons would be to be quite compelling. Always open to ideas … Ben – you asked if we had contacted support… short answer is yes but I don’t have the details as it’s handled by another group…. Thanks, Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 10:13 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Then you want Ruckus\Xirrus, not Cisco. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions
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Very well said .. I like your summary …. The “champions” description I compare to what I see deployed. Anytime I’m at a sporting event, public place, office complex etc I’m always curious to see what’s deployed for equipment (if I can see it). While I’m sure Ruckus and Xirrus are good products for some folks, I have never seen their stuff deployed. This doesn’t mean it’s good or bad gear … or going back to the Ferrari analogy, just because you don’t see a lot of them on the road doesn’t mean they aren’t one of the best built vehicles out there. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 10:15 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI I think it would be more productive of a comparative conversation if one was to describe why (Technical feature wise) the Ruckus and Xirrus are "champions" of the Wifi Space. I shudder every time there is a comparison made between MFG. since all of them make high-end and low-end stuff as well. The Strength of Ruckus WIFI solution is in the fact that their (most of them) Radio's do Beamforming very well, and when the Controller is used, the Controller will dynamically manage the Radios's Wifi settings and parameters. The Strength of Xirrus is, having recently looked at some XN8's, all I can say is WOW !, if you forget the price for a moment, if anyone had a Dream Radio Array features Wish List, guess what, they have all of those feature built in. It is a piece of equipment with multiple radios (4,8,16) a combination of 2.4ghz and 5ghz radios which can be configured to pretty much any configuration, combination you like Does that mean that the above two is the only way to go ? No it is very much possible to configure Unifi's, with the right product selection, to accomplish similar results. And yes, if you are looking for a particular feature set, you have to pay attention to which units you are using, because all of the Unifi radios don't support all the features. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net <mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net> _ From: "Mike Hammett" mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 8:34:09 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI I had a car analogy lined up, but I saw too many holes in my own analogy. Ruckus and Xirrus are the champions of the WiFi space. They are the very best of the best. UniFi is good enough for most situations and is considerably less expensive. Cisco isn't winning any awards and is really only considered by people playing the IBM strategy. It's more expensive than the better options of UniFi and Xirrus. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com _ From: "Paul Stewart" mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:22:37 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Well you haven’t provided any good reasons …. I’ve never used Ruckus/Xirrus to be honest and we don’t have the luxury of “trial and error” with products we’ve never used – so the reasons would be to be quite compelling. Always open to ideas … Ben – you asked if we had contacted support… short answer is yes but I don’t have the details as it’s handled by another group…. Thanks, Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 10:13 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Then you want Ruckus\Xirrus, not Cisco. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> _____ From: "Paul Stewart" mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:21:28 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working on a plan to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite a When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t seem to deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to a snails pace. It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of the time d
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Thanks Rory – appreciate the input… The security side isn’t “Chinese Hacker” oriented – it’s more about staff access controls and integration with existing systems. The integration with switches/management etc is an area that Cisco also shines in, especially when the existing LAN infrastructure is already Cisco. This isn’t a high priority project and I certainly got a lot more feedback than I anticipated – all good though :) When I get some time I’ll read up on some of these other players … I’ve never seen any of them deployed anywhere I’ve gone (and I get around lol) … also never heard of half of them so this is quite interesting. Thanks, Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 9:49 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Paul, the stuff you are describing is where Xirrus, Extreme, Firetide, Trango, Bel Air, and Ruckus play. Meraki might be in that category but I’m not that familiar with them. I can’t remember about the zero touch provision on wireless but on the security side, they have a lot more stuff than that also. If it’s psycho, protect from Chinese hackers stuff, talk to Extreme mostly because they also have an integrated back end with switches, management, etc, (formerly Enterasys). In the real world at the professional level and high-density, high-interference, I’d use Ruckus or Xirrus. Lower density, lower interference, I’d look at Ubiquiti. The reality is that there is a reason you pay premium prices along with yearly fees on the equipment with Xirrus and Ruckus. It’s kind of like comparing a Ferrari or Porsche to a Camaro, both will get you there but 100 years of racing experience means that every single detail on being first is built into every product. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 5:40 AM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI What’s a Sigma Cisco guru? ;) There’s also some enterprise features that I’m interested in specific to our needs that I don’t believe UniFi supports … always happy to hear feedback though -locate and mitigate rogue access points automatically -reporting engine that can produce various usage reports (I know that’s vague but this is a public list) -zero touch provisioning of AP’s (based on port and location) -location tracking integration with security applications (again, high level on a public list) I could go on … but in my mind it’s apples to oranges comparison. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 10:57 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI My son and I installed hundreds of the Cisco latest APs at time last year and controllers along with Cisco Layer 3 switches for large school.district. Sigma Cisco gurus configured themand we tested them. I know what Cisco AC units can do and I know what UniFi AC units can do. Will stick with Ubiquiti. Jaime Solorza On May 26, 2015 7:21 PM, "Paul Stewart" mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> > wrote: We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working on a plan to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;) When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t seem to deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to a snails pace. It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of the time despite traffic prioritization. I’d take a guess at around 120 users during the day and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7). Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at all … not even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. I’ve read the latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though…. I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in cost but for our application, cost is secondary compared to performance/stability. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti AC Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much better and easy to manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and security knows where they are at all times. Used at both Speaking Rock and Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for cattle association. Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day Jaime Solorza On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, "Craig House" mailto:cr...@totalhighspeed.net> > wrote: Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a tower site. Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of ba
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I think it would be more productive of a comparative conversation if one was to describe why (Technical feature wise) the Ruckus and Xirrus are "champions" of the Wifi Space. I shudder every time there is a comparison made between MFG. since all of them make high-end and low-end stuff as well. The Strength of Ruckus WIFI solution is in the fact that their (most of them) Radio's do Beamforming very well, and when the Controller is used, the Controller will dynamically manage the Radios's Wifi settings and parameters. The Strength of Xirrus is, having recently looked at some XN8's, all I can say is WOW !, if you forget the price for a moment, if anyone had a Dream Radio Array features Wish List, guess what, they have all of those feature built in. It is a piece of equipment with multiple radios (4,8,16) a combination of 2.4ghz and 5ghz radios which can be configured to pretty much any configuration, combination you like Does that mean that the above two is the only way to go ? No it is very much possible to configure Unifi's, with the right product selection, to accomplish similar results. And yes, if you are looking for a particular feature set, you have to pay attention to which units you are using, because all of the Unifi radios don't support all the features. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - > From: "Mike Hammett" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 8:34:09 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI > I had a car analogy lined up, but I saw too many holes in my own analogy. > Ruckus and Xirrus are the champions of the WiFi space. They are the very best > of the best. > UniFi is good enough for most situations and is considerably less expensive. > Cisco isn't winning any awards and is really only considered by people > playing the IBM strategy. It's more expensive than the better options of > UniFi and Xirrus. > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > - Original Message - > From: "Paul Stewart" < p...@paulstewart.org > > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 27 , 2015 7:22:37 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI > Well you haven’t provided any good reasons …. I’ve never used Ruckus/Xirrus > to be honest and we don’t have the luxury of “trial and error” with products > we’ve never used – so the reasons would be to be quite compelling. Always > open to ideas … > Ben – you asked if we had contacted support… short answer is yes but I don’t > have the details as it’s handled by another group…. > Thanks, > Paul > From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Tuesday, May 26 , 2015 10:13 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI > Then you want Ruckus\Xirrus, not Cisco. > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > Midwest Internet Exchange > http://www.midwest-ix.com > - Original Message - > From: "Paul Stewart" < p...@paulstewart.org > > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 26 , 2015 8:21:28 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI > We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working on a > plan to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite a > When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t seem to > deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to a snails > pace. It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of the time > despite traffic prioritization. I’d take a guess at around 120 users during > the day and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7). > Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at all … not > even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. I’ve read the > latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though…. > I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in cost but > for our application, cost is secondary compared to performance/stability. > From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza > Sent: Tuesday, May 26 , 2015 8:49 PM > To: Animal Farm > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI > Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti AC > Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much better and easy to > manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and security > knows where they are at all times. Used at both Speaking Rock and Socorro > Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for cattle > associa
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Paul, the stuff you are describing is where Xirrus, Extreme, Firetide, Trango, Bel Air, and Ruckus play. Meraki might be in that category but I’m not that familiar with them. I can’t remember about the zero touch provision on wireless but on the security side, they have a lot more stuff than that also. If it’s psycho, protect from Chinese hackers stuff, talk to Extreme mostly because they also have an integrated back end with switches, management, etc, (formerly Enterasys). In the real world at the professional level and high-density, high-interference, I’d use Ruckus or Xirrus. Lower density, lower interference, I’d look at Ubiquiti. The reality is that there is a reason you pay premium prices along with yearly fees on the equipment with Xirrus and Ruckus. It’s kind of like comparing a Ferrari or Porsche to a Camaro, both will get you there but 100 years of racing experience means that every single detail on being first is built into every product. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 5:40 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI What’s a Sigma Cisco guru? ;) There’s also some enterprise features that I’m interested in specific to our needs that I don’t believe UniFi supports … always happy to hear feedback though -locate and mitigate rogue access points automatically -reporting engine that can produce various usage reports (I know that’s vague but this is a public list) -zero touch provisioning of AP’s (based on port and location) -location tracking integration with security applications (again, high level on a public list) I could go on … but in my mind it’s apples to oranges comparison. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 10:57 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI My son and I installed hundreds of the Cisco latest APs at time last year and controllers along with Cisco Layer 3 switches for large school.district. Sigma Cisco gurus configured themand we tested them. I know what Cisco AC units can do and I know what UniFi AC units can do. Will stick with Ubiquiti. Jaime Solorza On May 26, 2015 7:21 PM, "Paul Stewart" mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>> wrote: We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working on a plan to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;) When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t seem to deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to a snails pace. It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of the time despite traffic prioritization. I’d take a guess at around 120 users during the day and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7). Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at all … not even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. I’ve read the latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though…. I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in cost but for our application, cost is secondary compared to performance/stability. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti AC Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much better and easy to manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and security knows where they are at all times. Used at both Speaking Rock and Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for cattle association. Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day Jaime Solorza On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, "Craig House" mailto:cr...@totalhighspeed.net>> wrote: Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a tower site. Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth available to this tower. The campground area is about 110 acres and about 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X WIFI service. UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to recreate the wheel here. This is not in my normal course of business but the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff? What are your recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup. What is the best way to market this type of service? Free for basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it. Or Just bill for anything one lower package and one higher package? Has anyone on the list tried this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make and what did you end up using? Ive made enough mistakes
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What’s a Sigma Cisco guru? ;) There’s also some enterprise features that I’m interested in specific to our needs that I don’t believe UniFi supports … always happy to hear feedback though -locate and mitigate rogue access points automatically -reporting engine that can produce various usage reports (I know that’s vague but this is a public list) -zero touch provisioning of AP’s (based on port and location) -location tracking integration with security applications (again, high level on a public list) I could go on … but in my mind it’s apples to oranges comparison. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 10:57 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI My son and I installed hundreds of the Cisco latest APs at time last year and controllers along with Cisco Layer 3 switches for large school.district. Sigma Cisco gurus configured themand we tested them. I know what Cisco AC units can do and I know what UniFi AC units can do. Will stick with Ubiquiti. Jaime Solorza On May 26, 2015 7:21 PM, "Paul Stewart" mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> > wrote: We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working on a plan to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;) When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t seem to deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to a snails pace. It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of the time despite traffic prioritization. I’d take a guess at around 120 users during the day and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7). Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at all … not even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. I’ve read the latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though…. I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in cost but for our application, cost is secondary compared to performance/stability. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti AC Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much better and easy to manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and security knows where they are at all times. Used at both Speaking Rock and Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for cattle association. Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day Jaime Solorza On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, "Craig House" mailto:cr...@totalhighspeed.net> > wrote: Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a tower site. Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth available to this tower. The campground area is about 110 acres and about 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X WIFI service. UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to recreate the wheel here. This is not in my normal course of business but the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff? What are your recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup. What is the best way to market this type of service? Free for basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it. Or Just bill for anything one lower package and one higher package? Has anyone on the list tried this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make and what did you end up using? Ive made enough mistakes in the past with other stuff. I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with . Craig
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I had a car analogy lined up, but I saw too many holes in my own analogy. Ruckus and Xirrus are the champions of the WiFi space. They are the very best of the best. UniFi is good enough for most situations and is considerably less expensive. Cisco isn't winning any awards and is really only considered by people playing the IBM strategy. It's more expensive than the better options of UniFi and Xirrus. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Paul Stewart" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:22:37 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Well you haven’t provided any good reasons …. I’ve never used Ruckus/Xirrus to be honest and we don’t have the luxury of “trial and error” with products we’ve never used – so the reasons would be to be quite compelling. Always open to ideas … Ben – you asked if we had contacted support… short answer is yes but I don’t have the details as it’s handled by another group…. Thanks, Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 10:13 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Then you want Ruckus\Xirrus, not Cisco. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: "Paul Stewart" < p...@paulstewart.org > To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:21:28 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working on a plan to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;) When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t seem to deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to a snails pace. It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of the time despite traffic prioritization. I’d take a guess at around 120 users during the day and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7). Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at all … not even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. I’ve read the latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though…. I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in cost but for our application, cost is secondary compared to performance/stability. From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti AC Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much better and easy to manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and security knows where they are at all times. Used at both Speaking Rock and Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for cattle association. Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day Jaime Solorza On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, "Craig House" < cr...@totalhighspeed.net > wrote: Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a tower site. Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth available to this tower. The campground area is about 110 acres and about 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X WIFI service. UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to recreate the wheel here. This is not in my normal course of business but the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here all be it seasonally. Is the UBNT software good stuff? What are your recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup. What is the best way to market this type of service? Free for basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it. Or Just bill for anything one lower package and one higher package? Has anyone on the list tried this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make and what did you end up using? Ive made enough mistakes in the past with other stuff. I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with . Craig
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We’ve done that before and gotten nowhere… I really believe it’s UBNT not playing well with high levels of RF from nearby buildings but haven’t personally looked at this very much. There are other reasons that we may be looking at Cisco or other from a features perspective too From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 10:21 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI That sounds like something not configured or setup properly, I will recommend you talk to UBNT support to see if they help you track down optimize your setup. :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net <mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net> _ From: "Paul Stewart" mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 9:21:28 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working on a plan to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;) When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t seem to deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to a snails pace. It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of the time despite traffic prioritization. I’d take a guess at around 120 users during the day and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7). Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at all … not even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. I’ve read the latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though…. I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in cost but for our application, cost is secondary compared to performance/stability. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti AC Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much better and easy to manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and security knows where they are at all times. Used at both Speaking Rock and Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for cattle association. Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day Jaime Solorza On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, "Craig House" mailto:cr...@totalhighspeed.net> > wrote: Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a tower site. Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth available to this tower. The campground area is about 110 acres and about 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X WIFI service. UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to recreate the wheel here. This is not in my normal course of business but the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff? What are your recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup. What is the best way to market this type of service? Free for basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it. Or Just bill for anything one lower package and one higher package? Has anyone on the list tried this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make and what did you end up using? Ive made enough mistakes in the past with other stuff. I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with . Craig
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Hi Paul, Let me know if you want to send a ticket number over and I'll have our guys follow up and/or escalate if necessary. Thanks, Matt On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 8:22 AM, Paul Stewart wrote: > Well you haven’t provided any good reasons …. I’ve never used > Ruckus/Xirrus to be honest and we don’t have the luxury of “trial and > error” with products we’ve never used – so the reasons would be to be quite > compelling. Always open to ideas … > > > > Ben – you asked if we had contacted support… short answer is yes but I > don’t have the details as it’s handled by another group…. > > > > Thanks, > > Paul > > > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 10:13 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI > > > > Then you want Ruckus\Xirrus, not Cisco. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > > Midwest Internet Exchange > http://www.midwest-ix.com > > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > -- > > *From: *"Paul Stewart" > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:21:28 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI > > We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working on a > plan to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;) > > > > When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t seem > to deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to a > snails pace. It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of the > time despite traffic prioritization. I’d take a guess at around 120 users > during the day and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7). > > > > Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at all … > not even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. I’ve > read the latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though…. > > > > I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in cost > but for our application, cost is secondary compared to > performance/stability. > > > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM > *To:* Animal Farm > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI > > > > Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti > AC Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much better and > easy to manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and > security knows where they are at all times. Used at both Speaking Rock and > Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for > cattle association. Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day > > Jaime Solorza > > On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, "Craig House" wrote: > > Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a > tower site. Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth > available to this tower. The campground area is about 110 acres and about > 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X > WIFI service. UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with > their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to > recreate the wheel here. This is not in my normal course of business but > the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here > all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff? What are your > recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup. What is > the best way to market this type of service? Free for basic minimal > speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it. Or Just bill for anything > one lower package and one higher package? Has anyone on the list tried > this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make and what did you > end up using? Ive made enough mistakes in the past with other stuff. I > have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with . > > Craig > > >
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Well you haven’t provided any good reasons …. I’ve never used Ruckus/Xirrus to be honest and we don’t have the luxury of “trial and error” with products we’ve never used – so the reasons would be to be quite compelling. Always open to ideas … Ben – you asked if we had contacted support… short answer is yes but I don’t have the details as it’s handled by another group…. Thanks, Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 10:13 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Then you want Ruckus\Xirrus, not Cisco. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> _ From: "Paul Stewart" mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:21:28 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working on a plan to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;) When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t seem to deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to a snails pace. It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of the time despite traffic prioritization. I’d take a guess at around 120 users during the day and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7). Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at all … not even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. I’ve read the latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though…. I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in cost but for our application, cost is secondary compared to performance/stability. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti AC Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much better and easy to manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and security knows where they are at all times. Used at both Speaking Rock and Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for cattle association. Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day Jaime Solorza On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, "Craig House" mailto:cr...@totalhighspeed.net> > wrote: Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a tower site. Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth available to this tower. The campground area is about 110 acres and about 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X WIFI service. UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to recreate the wheel here. This is not in my normal course of business but the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff? What are your recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup. What is the best way to market this type of service? Free for basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it. Or Just bill for anything one lower package and one higher package? Has anyone on the list tried this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make and what did you end up using? Ive made enough mistakes in the past with other stuff. I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with . Craig
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I would check out GoNet If you really want to get a large coverage. They are probably on the scale of a ruckus unit, but actually do beamforming and are specifically made for outdoor access. It is pretty pricy per unit , but they tend to cover a much greater area and are not as susceptible to noise. http://www.gonetworks.com/ On 5/26/2015 8:38 PM, Craig House wrote: I agree I am looking more for coverage than capacity. I think most of the campers would be happy just to check and reply to email or be able to upload their float trip and camping pics to FB. I can envision though rainy days where the kids are board and want to stream Netflix. So I am thinking offering a basic email checking sort of speed for a very basic price and then a Netflix / streaming package at a higher price. I dont want to do it by the hour because they will eat up my fees with credit card charges and processing fees. I am thinking a daily rate and a weekend rate or even a weekly rate for each package. Maybe there are campers that come every weekend or a couple of times a month and I could offer a seasonal rate even. But I guess I am mainly wanting to know about equipment. M2 with a 120 sector? What kind of number of subs per M2 Rocket is reasonable for the AP to handle well? What about M2 AC Rocket? Craig *From: *"Ken Hohhof" *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:27:29 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI I’m looking at a permanent installation at a small county park/campground where we did a temporary setup last year. Am I crazy for looking at the UAP-Outdoor+ (2.4 only) linked with M5 Locos? I’m not sure the more expensive AC units will help anything, coverage is more important than raw capacity. *From:* Jaime Solorza <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 7:48 PM *To:* Animal Farm <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti AC Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much better and easy to manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and security knows where they are at all times. Used at both Speaking Rock and Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for cattle association. Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day Jaime Solorza On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, "Craig House" <mailto:cr...@totalhighspeed.net>> wrote: Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a tower site. Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth available to this tower. The campground area is about 110 acres and about 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X WIFI service. UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to recreate the wheel here. This is not in my normal course of business but the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff? What are your recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup. What is the best way to market this type of service? Free for basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it. Or Just bill for anything one lower package and one higher package? Has anyone on the list tried this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make and what did you end up using? Ive made enough mistakes in the past with other stuff. I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with . Craig
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My son and I installed hundreds of the Cisco latest APs at time last year and controllers along with Cisco Layer 3 switches for large school.district. Sigma Cisco gurus configured themand we tested them. I know what Cisco AC units can do and I know what UniFi AC units can do. Will stick with Ubiquiti. Jaime Solorza On May 26, 2015 7:21 PM, "Paul Stewart" wrote: > We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working on a > plan to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;) > > > > When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t seem > to deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to a > snails pace. It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of the > time despite traffic prioritization. I’d take a guess at around 120 users > during the day and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7). > > > > Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at all … > not even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. I’ve > read the latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though…. > > > > I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in cost > but for our application, cost is secondary compared to > performance/stability. > > > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM > *To:* Animal Farm > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI > > > > Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti > AC Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much better and > easy to manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and > security knows where they are at all times. Used at both Speaking Rock and > Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for > cattle association. Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day > > Jaime Solorza > > On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, "Craig House" wrote: > > Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a > tower site. Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth > available to this tower. The campground area is about 110 acres and about > 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X > WIFI service. UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with > their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to > recreate the wheel here. This is not in my normal course of business but > the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here > all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff? What are your > recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup. What is > the best way to market this type of service? Free for basic minimal > speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it. Or Just bill for anything > one lower package and one higher package? Has anyone on the list tried > this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make and what did you > end up using? Ive made enough mistakes in the past with other stuff. I > have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with . > > Craig > >
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The PBEM5 feed is on the UNII-1 list as approved right now... Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 05/26/2015 06:46 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: and to be more specific, if the M5-400 is one of the ones that's still pending... since that's pretty much the only one I care about at this point. On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 9:40 PM, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: The question everyone is asking is if the feedhorn of the M5-400 is the same as the M5-620. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:25 PM, Ben Moore mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com>> wrote: Matt and team are working on this now. Plan is to have lower bands opened first prior to DFS approvals coming through. On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 8:22 PM, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: The big one!!! [Ubnt_users] What is the plan UBNT And of course we all want to know about DFS... [Ubnt_users] FCC Site - lots of updates Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:20 PM, Ben Moore mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com>> wrote: I am just getting caught up on list emails. What other questions were there today? On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: The only post you respond to today is the one where you can make a few units worth of sales...? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:07 PM, Ben Moore mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com>> wrote: Hi Paul - Would be interested to look into this more. Have you worked with support at all on this? Thanks, Ben On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 7:21 PM, Paul Stewart mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>> wrote: We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working on a plan to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;) When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t seem to deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to a snails pace. It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of the time despite traffic prioritization. I’d take a guess at around 120 users during the day and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7). Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at all … not even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. I’ve read the latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though…. I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in cost but for our application, cost is secondary compared to performance/stability. *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM *To:* Animal Farm *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti AC Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much better and easy to manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and security knows where they are at all times. Used at both Speaking Rock and Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed t
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Correct. On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 8:55 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: > The PBEM5 feed is on the UNII-1 list as approved right now... > > Josh Reynolds > CIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.com > > On 05/26/2015 06:46 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: > > and to be more specific, if the M5-400 is one of the ones that's still > pending... since that's pretty much the only one I care about at this point. > > On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 9:40 PM, Josh Luthman > wrote: > >> The question everyone is asking is if the feedhorn of the M5-400 is the >> same as the M5-620. >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:25 PM, Ben Moore wrote: >> >>> Matt and team are working on this now. Plan is to have lower bands >>> opened first prior to DFS approvals coming through. >>> >>> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 8:22 PM, Josh Luthman < >>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >>> >>>> The big one!!! >>>> >>>> [Ubnt_users] What is the plan UBNT >>>> >>>> And of course we all want to know about DFS... >>>> >>>> [Ubnt_users] FCC Site - lots of updates >>>> >>>> >>>> Josh Luthman >>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>> Suite 1337 >>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:20 PM, Ben Moore >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I am just getting caught up on list emails. What other questions >>>>> were there today? >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Josh Luthman < >>>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The only post you respond to today is the one where you can make a >>>>>> few units worth of sales...? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:07 PM, Ben Moore >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Paul - >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Would be interested to look into this more. Have you worked with >>>>>>> support at all on this? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Ben >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 7:21 PM, Paul Stewart >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … >>>>>>>> working on a plan to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t >>>>>>>> seem to deal with outside interference very well and often slows down >>>>>>>> to a >>>>>>>> snails pace. It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> time despite traffic prioritization. I’d take a guess at around 120 >>>>>>>> users >>>>>>>> during the day and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at >>>>>>>> all … not even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of >>>>>>>> it.. >>>>>>>> I’ve read the latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though…. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in >>>>>>>> cost but for our application, cost is secondary compared to >>>>>>>> performance/stability. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>
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Yes, M5-400 will get lower bands first as well (also approved). Yes, 620 is same feed. Thanks, Ben On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 8:46 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: > and to be more specific, if the M5-400 is one of the ones that's still > pending... since that's pretty much the only one I care about at this point. > > On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 9:40 PM, Josh Luthman > wrote: > >> The question everyone is asking is if the feedhorn of the M5-400 is the >> same as the M5-620. >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:25 PM, Ben Moore wrote: >> >>> Matt and team are working on this now. Plan is to have lower bands >>> opened first prior to DFS approvals coming through. >>> >>> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 8:22 PM, Josh Luthman < >>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >>> >>>> The big one!!! >>>> >>>> [Ubnt_users] What is the plan UBNT >>>> >>>> And of course we all want to know about DFS... >>>> >>>> [Ubnt_users] FCC Site - lots of updates >>>> >>>> >>>> Josh Luthman >>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>> Suite 1337 >>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:20 PM, Ben Moore wrote: >>>> >>>>> I am just getting caught up on list emails. What other questions were >>>>> there today? >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Josh Luthman < >>>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The only post you respond to today is the one where you can make a >>>>>> few units worth of sales...? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:07 PM, Ben Moore >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Paul - >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Would be interested to look into this more. Have you worked with >>>>>>> support at all on this? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Ben >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 7:21 PM, Paul Stewart >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … >>>>>>>> working on a plan to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t >>>>>>>> seem to deal with outside interference very well and often slows down >>>>>>>> to a >>>>>>>> snails pace. It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> time despite traffic prioritization. I’d take a guess at around 120 >>>>>>>> users >>>>>>>> during the day and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at >>>>>>>> all … not even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of >>>>>>>> it.. >>>>>>>> I’ve read the latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though…. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in >>>>>>>> cost but for our application, cost is secondary compared to >>>>>>>> performance/stability. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime >>>>>>
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and to be more specific, if the M5-400 is one of the ones that's still pending... since that's pretty much the only one I care about at this point. On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 9:40 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > The question everyone is asking is if the feedhorn of the M5-400 is the > same as the M5-620. > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:25 PM, Ben Moore wrote: > >> Matt and team are working on this now. Plan is to have lower bands >> opened first prior to DFS approvals coming through. >> >> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 8:22 PM, Josh Luthman < >> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >> >>> The big one!!! >>> >>> [Ubnt_users] What is the plan UBNT >>> >>> And of course we all want to know about DFS... >>> >>> [Ubnt_users] FCC Site - lots of updates >>> >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:20 PM, Ben Moore wrote: >>> >>>> I am just getting caught up on list emails. What other questions were >>>> there today? >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Josh Luthman < >>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The only post you respond to today is the one where you can make a few >>>>> units worth of sales...? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:07 PM, Ben Moore >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Paul - >>>>>> >>>>>> Would be interested to look into this more. Have you worked with >>>>>> support at all on this? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Ben >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 7:21 PM, Paul Stewart >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working >>>>>>> on a plan to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t >>>>>>> seem to deal with outside interference very well and often slows down >>>>>>> to a >>>>>>> snails pace. It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> time despite traffic prioritization. I’d take a guess at around 120 >>>>>>> users >>>>>>> during the day and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at >>>>>>> all … not even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. >>>>>>> I’ve read the latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though…. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in >>>>>>> cost but for our application, cost is secondary compared to >>>>>>> performance/stability. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime >>>>>>> Solorza >>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM >>>>>>> *To:* Animal Farm >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with >>>>>>> Ubiquiti AC Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much >>>>>>> better and easy to manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at >>>>>>> customers &
Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI
The question everyone is asking is if the feedhorn of the M5-400 is the same as the M5-620. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:25 PM, Ben Moore wrote: > Matt and team are working on this now. Plan is to have lower bands opened > first prior to DFS approvals coming through. > > On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 8:22 PM, Josh Luthman > wrote: > >> The big one!!! >> >> [Ubnt_users] What is the plan UBNT >> >> And of course we all want to know about DFS... >> >> [Ubnt_users] FCC Site - lots of updates >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:20 PM, Ben Moore wrote: >> >>> I am just getting caught up on list emails. What other questions were >>> there today? >>> >>> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Josh Luthman < >>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >>> >>>> The only post you respond to today is the one where you can make a few >>>> units worth of sales...? >>>> >>>> >>>> Josh Luthman >>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>> Suite 1337 >>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:07 PM, Ben Moore wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Paul - >>>>> >>>>> Would be interested to look into this more. Have you worked with >>>>> support at all on this? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Ben >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 7:21 PM, Paul Stewart >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working >>>>>> on a plan to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t >>>>>> seem to deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to >>>>>> a >>>>>> snails pace. It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of >>>>>> the >>>>>> time despite traffic prioritization. I’d take a guess at around 120 >>>>>> users >>>>>> during the day and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7). >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at all >>>>>> … not even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. I’ve >>>>>> read the latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though…. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in >>>>>> cost but for our application, cost is secondary compared to >>>>>> performance/stability. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza >>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM >>>>>> *To:* Animal Farm >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with >>>>>> Ubiquiti AC Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much >>>>>> better and easy to manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at >>>>>> customers >>>>>> tables and security knows where they are at all times. Used at both >>>>>> Speaking Rock and Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi >>>>>> APs months ago for cattle association. Not one call...ave 75 to 150 >>>>>> users >>>>>> a day >>>>>> >>>>>> Jaime Solorza >>>>>> >>>>>> On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, "Craig House" >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using >>>>>> as a tower site. Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of >>>>>> bandwidth available to this tower. The campground area is about 110 >>>>>> acres >>>>>> and about 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide >>>>>> paid by the X WIFI service. UBNT has a billing platform that I think >>>>>> integrates with their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment >>>>>> but I >>>>>> dont want to recreate the wheel here. This is not in my normal course of >>>>>> business but the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of >>>>>> potential here all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff? >>>>>> What are your recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a >>>>>> setup. What is the best way to market this type of service? Free for >>>>>> basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it. Or Just >>>>>> bill for anything one lower package and one higher package? Has anyone >>>>>> on >>>>>> the list tried this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make >>>>>> and what did you end up using? Ive made enough mistakes in the past >>>>>> with >>>>>> other stuff. I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar >>>>>> with >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>>> Craig >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >
Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI
Separate list? ;) On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 8:22 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > The big one!!! > > [Ubnt_users] What is the plan UBNT > > And of course we all want to know about DFS... > > [Ubnt_users] FCC Site - lots of updates > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:20 PM, Ben Moore wrote: > >> I am just getting caught up on list emails. What other questions were >> there today? >> >> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Josh Luthman < >> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >> >>> The only post you respond to today is the one where you can make a few >>> units worth of sales...? >>> >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:07 PM, Ben Moore wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Paul - >>>> >>>> Would be interested to look into this more. Have you worked with >>>> support at all on this? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Ben >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 7:21 PM, Paul Stewart >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working >>>>> on a plan to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t >>>>> seem to deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to a >>>>> snails pace. It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of the >>>>> time despite traffic prioritization. I’d take a guess at around 120 users >>>>> during the day and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at all >>>>> … not even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. I’ve >>>>> read the latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though…. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in >>>>> cost but for our application, cost is secondary compared to >>>>> performance/stability. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza >>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM >>>>> *To:* Animal Farm >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with >>>>> Ubiquiti AC Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much >>>>> better and easy to manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at >>>>> customers >>>>> tables and security knows where they are at all times. Used at both >>>>> Speaking Rock and Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi >>>>> APs months ago for cattle association. Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users >>>>> a day >>>>> >>>>> Jaime Solorza >>>>> >>>>> On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, "Craig House" >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using >>>>> as a tower site. Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of >>>>> bandwidth available to this tower. The campground area is about 110 acres >>>>> and about 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide >>>>> paid by the X WIFI service. UBNT has a billing platform that I think >>>>> integrates with their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but >>>>> I >>>>> dont want to recreate the wheel here. This is not in my normal course of >>>>> business but the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of >>>>> potential here all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff? >>>>> What are your recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a >>>>> setup. What is the best way to market this type of service? Free for >>>>> basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it. Or Just >>>>> bill for anything one lower package and one higher package? Has anyone on >>>>> the list tried this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make >>>>> and what did you end up using? Ive made enough mistakes in the past with >>>>> other stuff. I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar >>>>> with >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> Craig >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >
Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI
Matt and team are working on this now. Plan is to have lower bands opened first prior to DFS approvals coming through. On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 8:22 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > The big one!!! > > [Ubnt_users] What is the plan UBNT > > And of course we all want to know about DFS... > > [Ubnt_users] FCC Site - lots of updates > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:20 PM, Ben Moore wrote: > >> I am just getting caught up on list emails. What other questions were >> there today? >> >> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Josh Luthman < >> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >> >>> The only post you respond to today is the one where you can make a few >>> units worth of sales...? >>> >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:07 PM, Ben Moore wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Paul - >>>> >>>> Would be interested to look into this more. Have you worked with >>>> support at all on this? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Ben >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 7:21 PM, Paul Stewart >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working >>>>> on a plan to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t >>>>> seem to deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to a >>>>> snails pace. It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of the >>>>> time despite traffic prioritization. I’d take a guess at around 120 users >>>>> during the day and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at all >>>>> … not even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. I’ve >>>>> read the latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though…. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in >>>>> cost but for our application, cost is secondary compared to >>>>> performance/stability. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza >>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM >>>>> *To:* Animal Farm >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with >>>>> Ubiquiti AC Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much >>>>> better and easy to manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at >>>>> customers >>>>> tables and security knows where they are at all times. Used at both >>>>> Speaking Rock and Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi >>>>> APs months ago for cattle association. Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users >>>>> a day >>>>> >>>>> Jaime Solorza >>>>> >>>>> On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, "Craig House" >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using >>>>> as a tower site. Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of >>>>> bandwidth available to this tower. The campground area is about 110 acres >>>>> and about 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide >>>>> paid by the X WIFI service. UBNT has a billing platform that I think >>>>> integrates with their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but >>>>> I >>>>> dont want to recreate the wheel here. This is not in my normal course of >>>>> business but the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of >>>>> potential here all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff? >>>>> What are your recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a >>>>> setup. What is the best way to market this type of service? Free for >>>>> basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it. Or Just >>>>> bill for anything one lower package and one higher package? Has anyone on >>>>> the list tried this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make >>>>> and what did you end up using? Ive made enough mistakes in the past with >>>>> other stuff. I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar >>>>> with >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> Craig >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >
Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI
The big one!!! [Ubnt_users] What is the plan UBNT And of course we all want to know about DFS... [Ubnt_users] FCC Site - lots of updates Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:20 PM, Ben Moore wrote: > I am just getting caught up on list emails. What other questions were > there today? > > On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Josh Luthman > wrote: > >> The only post you respond to today is the one where you can make a few >> units worth of sales...? >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:07 PM, Ben Moore wrote: >> >>> Hi Paul - >>> >>> Would be interested to look into this more. Have you worked with >>> support at all on this? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Ben >>> >>> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 7:21 PM, Paul Stewart >>> wrote: >>> >>>> We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working on >>>> a plan to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t >>>> seem to deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to a >>>> snails pace. It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of the >>>> time despite traffic prioritization. I’d take a guess at around 120 users >>>> during the day and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7). >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at all … >>>> not even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. I’ve >>>> read the latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though…. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in cost >>>> but for our application, cost is secondary compared to >>>> performance/stability. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM >>>> *To:* Animal Farm >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with >>>> Ubiquiti AC Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much >>>> better and easy to manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at customers >>>> tables and security knows where they are at all times. Used at both >>>> Speaking Rock and Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi >>>> APs months ago for cattle association. Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users >>>> a day >>>> >>>> Jaime Solorza >>>> >>>> On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, "Craig House" >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using >>>> as a tower site. Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of >>>> bandwidth available to this tower. The campground area is about 110 acres >>>> and about 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide >>>> paid by the X WIFI service. UBNT has a billing platform that I think >>>> integrates with their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I >>>> dont want to recreate the wheel here. This is not in my normal course of >>>> business but the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of >>>> potential here all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff? >>>> What are your recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a >>>> setup. What is the best way to market this type of service? Free for >>>> basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it. Or Just >>>> bill for anything one lower package and one higher package? Has anyone on >>>> the list tried this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make >>>> and what did you end up using? Ive made enough mistakes in the past with >>>> other stuff. I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with >>>> . >>>> >>>> Craig >>>> >>>> >>> >> >
Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI
That sounds like something not configured or setup properly, I will recommend you talk to UBNT support to see if they help you track down optimize your setup. :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - > From: "Paul Stewart" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 9:21:28 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI > We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working on a > plan to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;) > When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t seem to > deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to a snails > pace. It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of the time > despite traffic prioritization. I’d take a guess at around 120 users during > the day and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7). > Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at all … not > even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. I’ve read the > latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though…. > I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in cost but > for our application, cost is secondary compared to performance/stability. > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza > Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM > To: Animal Farm > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI > Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti AC > Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much better and easy to > manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and security > knows where they are at all times. Used at both Speaking Rock and Socorro > Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for cattle > association. Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day > Jaime Solorza > On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, "Craig House" < cr...@totalhighspeed.net > wrote: > > Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a > > tower site. Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth > > available to this tower. The campground area is about 110 acres and about > > 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X > > WIFI service. UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with > > their > > equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to recreate > > the wheel here. This is not in my normal course of business but the > > campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here all > > be it seasonally. Is the UBNT software good stuff? What are your > > recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup. What is the > > best way to market this type of service? Free for basic minimal speeds? > > then > > sell a higher rate if they want it. Or Just bill for anything one lower > > package and one higher package? Has anyone on the list tried this at a > > campground and if so what mistakes did you make and what did you end up > > using? Ive made enough mistakes in the past with other stuff. I have > > learned > > to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with . > > > Craig >
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I am just getting caught up on list emails. What other questions were there today? On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > The only post you respond to today is the one where you can make a few > units worth of sales...? > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:07 PM, Ben Moore wrote: > >> Hi Paul - >> >> Would be interested to look into this more. Have you worked with support >> at all on this? >> >> Thanks, >> Ben >> >> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 7:21 PM, Paul Stewart >> wrote: >> >>> We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working on >>> a plan to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;) >>> >>> >>> >>> When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t seem >>> to deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to a >>> snails pace. It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of the >>> time despite traffic prioritization. I’d take a guess at around 120 users >>> during the day and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7). >>> >>> >>> >>> Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at all … >>> not even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. I’ve >>> read the latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though…. >>> >>> >>> >>> I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in cost >>> but for our application, cost is secondary compared to >>> performance/stability. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM >>> *To:* Animal Farm >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI >>> >>> >>> >>> Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with >>> Ubiquiti AC Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much >>> better and easy to manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at customers >>> tables and security knows where they are at all times. Used at both >>> Speaking Rock and Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi >>> APs months ago for cattle association. Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users >>> a day >>> >>> Jaime Solorza >>> >>> On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, "Craig House" wrote: >>> >>> Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as >>> a tower site. Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of >>> bandwidth available to this tower. The campground area is about 110 acres >>> and about 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide >>> paid by the X WIFI service. UBNT has a billing platform that I think >>> integrates with their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I >>> dont want to recreate the wheel here. This is not in my normal course of >>> business but the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of >>> potential here all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff? >>> What are your recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a >>> setup. What is the best way to market this type of service? Free for >>> basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it. Or Just >>> bill for anything one lower package and one higher package? Has anyone on >>> the list tried this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make >>> and what did you end up using? Ive made enough mistakes in the past with >>> other stuff. I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with >>> . >>> >>> Craig >>> >>> >> >
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Then you want Ruckus\Xirrus, not Cisco. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: "Paul Stewart" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:21:28 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working on a plan to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;) When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t seem to deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to a snails pace. It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of the time despite traffic prioritization. I’d take a guess at around 120 users during the day and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7). Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at all … not even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. I’ve read the latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though…. I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in cost but for our application, cost is secondary compared to performance/stability. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti AC Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much better and easy to manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and security knows where they are at all times. Used at both Speaking Rock and Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for cattle association. Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day Jaime Solorza On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, "Craig House" < cr...@totalhighspeed.net > wrote: Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a tower site. Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth available to this tower. The campground area is about 110 acres and about 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X WIFI service. UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to recreate the wheel here. This is not in my normal course of business but the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here all be it seasonally. Is the UBNT software good stuff? What are your recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup. What is the best way to market this type of service? Free for basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it. Or Just bill for anything one lower package and one higher package? Has anyone on the list tried this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make and what did you end up using? Ive made enough mistakes in the past with other stuff. I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with . Craig
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The only post you respond to today is the one where you can make a few units worth of sales...? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:07 PM, Ben Moore wrote: > Hi Paul - > > Would be interested to look into this more. Have you worked with support > at all on this? > > Thanks, > Ben > > On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 7:21 PM, Paul Stewart > wrote: > >> We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working on a >> plan to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;) >> >> >> >> When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t seem >> to deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to a >> snails pace. It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of the >> time despite traffic prioritization. I’d take a guess at around 120 users >> during the day and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7). >> >> >> >> Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at all … >> not even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. I’ve >> read the latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though…. >> >> >> >> I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in cost >> but for our application, cost is secondary compared to >> performance/stability. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza >> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM >> *To:* Animal Farm >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI >> >> >> >> Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti >> AC Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much better and >> easy to manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and >> security knows where they are at all times. Used at both Speaking Rock and >> Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for >> cattle association. Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day >> >> Jaime Solorza >> >> On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, "Craig House" wrote: >> >> Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as >> a tower site. Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of >> bandwidth available to this tower. The campground area is about 110 acres >> and about 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide >> paid by the X WIFI service. UBNT has a billing platform that I think >> integrates with their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I >> dont want to recreate the wheel here. This is not in my normal course of >> business but the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of >> potential here all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff? >> What are your recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a >> setup. What is the best way to market this type of service? Free for >> basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it. Or Just >> bill for anything one lower package and one higher package? Has anyone on >> the list tried this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make >> and what did you end up using? Ive made enough mistakes in the past with >> other stuff. I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with >> . >> >> Craig >> >> >
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Hi Paul - Would be interested to look into this more. Have you worked with support at all on this? Thanks, Ben On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 7:21 PM, Paul Stewart wrote: > We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working on a > plan to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;) > > > > When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t seem > to deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to a > snails pace. It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of the > time despite traffic prioritization. I’d take a guess at around 120 users > during the day and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7). > > > > Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at all … > not even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. I’ve > read the latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though…. > > > > I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in cost > but for our application, cost is secondary compared to > performance/stability. > > > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM > *To:* Animal Farm > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI > > > > Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti > AC Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much better and > easy to manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and > security knows where they are at all times. Used at both Speaking Rock and > Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for > cattle association. Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day > > Jaime Solorza > > On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, "Craig House" wrote: > > Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a > tower site. Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth > available to this tower. The campground area is about 110 acres and about > 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X > WIFI service. UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with > their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to > recreate the wheel here. This is not in my normal course of business but > the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here > all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff? What are your > recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup. What is > the best way to market this type of service? Free for basic minimal > speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it. Or Just bill for anything > one lower package and one higher package? Has anyone on the list tried > this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make and what did you > end up using? Ive made enough mistakes in the past with other stuff. I > have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with . > > Craig > >
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Use the UniFi+'s with "AirPrism" (although it's called Mult-Lane RF in those products, but it should be the same damn thing). We have multiple campgrounds we cover with those and the large sectors, just set to the lowest output power possible. Works great, even for RVs. Just make sure to cover all of your angles. Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 05/26/2015 05:38 PM, Craig House wrote: I agree I am looking more for coverage than capacity. I think most of the campers would be happy just to check and reply to email or be able to upload their float trip and camping pics to FB. I can envision though rainy days where the kids are board and want to stream Netflix. So I am thinking offering a basic email checking sort of speed for a very basic price and then a Netflix / streaming package at a higher price. I dont want to do it by the hour because they will eat up my fees with credit card charges and processing fees. I am thinking a daily rate and a weekend rate or even a weekly rate for each package. Maybe there are campers that come every weekend or a couple of times a month and I could offer a seasonal rate even. But I guess I am mainly wanting to know about equipment. M2 with a 120 sector? What kind of number of subs per M2 Rocket is reasonable for the AP to handle well? What about M2 AC Rocket? Craig *From: *"Ken Hohhof" *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:27:29 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI I’m looking at a permanent installation at a small county park/campground where we did a temporary setup last year. Am I crazy for looking at the UAP-Outdoor+ (2.4 only) linked with M5 Locos? I’m not sure the more expensive AC units will help anything, coverage is more important than raw capacity. *From:* Jaime Solorza <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 7:48 PM *To:* Animal Farm <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti AC Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much better and easy to manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and security knows where they are at all times. Used at both Speaking Rock and Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for cattle association. Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day Jaime Solorza On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, "Craig House" <mailto:cr...@totalhighspeed.net>> wrote: Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a tower site. Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth available to this tower. The campground area is about 110 acres and about 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X WIFI service. UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to recreate the wheel here. This is not in my normal course of business but the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff? What are your recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup. What is the best way to market this type of service? Free for basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it. Or Just bill for anything one lower package and one higher package? Has anyone on the list tried this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make and what did you end up using? Ive made enough mistakes in the past with other stuff. I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with . Craig
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You can use Unifi radios on whatever antenna you want (it is a Rocket after all) to use the Unifi software/management. There is no such thing as M2 AC. 802.11ac doesn't even have 2.4 GHz rules. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 9:38 PM, Craig House wrote: > I agree I am looking more for coverage than capacity. I think most of the > campers would be happy just to check and reply to email or be able to > upload their float trip and camping pics to FB. I can envision though > rainy days where the kids are board and want to stream Netflix. So I am > thinking offering a basic email checking sort of speed for a very basic > price and then a Netflix / streaming package at a higher price. I dont > want to do it by the hour because they will eat up my fees with credit card > charges and processing fees. I am thinking a daily rate and a weekend rate > or even a weekly rate for each package. Maybe there are campers that come > every weekend or a couple of times a month and I could offer a seasonal > rate even. But I guess I am mainly wanting to know about equipment. M2 > with a 120 sector? What kind of number of subs per M2 Rocket is reasonable > for the AP to handle well? What about M2 AC Rocket? > > Craig > > > -- > *From: *"Ken Hohhof" > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:27:29 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI > > I’m looking at a permanent installation at a small county > park/campground where we did a temporary setup last year. > > Am I crazy for looking at the UAP-Outdoor+ (2.4 only) linked with M5 > Locos? I’m not sure the more expensive AC units will help anything, > coverage is more important than raw capacity. > > > *From:* Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 7:48 PM > *To:* Animal Farm > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI > > > Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti > AC Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much better and > easy to manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and > security knows where they are at all times. Used at both Speaking Rock and > Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for > cattle association. Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day > > Jaime Solorza > On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, "Craig House" wrote: > >> Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as >> a tower site. Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of >> bandwidth available to this tower. The campground area is about 110 acres >> and about 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide >> paid by the X WIFI service. UBNT has a billing platform that I think >> integrates with their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I >> dont want to recreate the wheel here. This is not in my normal course of >> business but the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of >> potential here all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff? >> What are your recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a >> setup. What is the best way to market this type of service? Free for >> basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it. Or Just >> bill for anything one lower package and one higher package? Has anyone on >> the list tried this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make >> and what did you end up using? Ive made enough mistakes in the past with >> other stuff. I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with >> . >> >> Craig >> > >
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I agree I am looking more for coverage than capacity. I think most of the campers would be happy just to check and reply to email or be able to upload their float trip and camping pics to FB. I can envision though rainy days where the kids are board and want to stream Netflix. So I am thinking offering a basic email checking sort of speed for a very basic price and then a Netflix / streaming package at a higher price. I dont want to do it by the hour because they will eat up my fees with credit card charges and processing fees. I am thinking a daily rate and a weekend rate or even a weekly rate for each package. Maybe there are campers that come every weekend or a couple of times a month and I could offer a seasonal rate even. But I guess I am mainly wanting to know about equipment. M2 with a 120 sector? What kind of number of subs per M2 Rocket is reasonable for the AP to handle well? What about M2 AC Rocket? Craig - Original Message - From: "Ken Hohhof" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:27:29 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI I’m looking at a permanent installation at a small county park/campground where we did a temporary setup last year. Am I crazy for looking at the UAP-Outdoor+ (2.4 only) linked with M5 Locos? I’m not sure the more expensive AC units will help anything, coverage is more important than raw capacity. From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 7:48 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti AC Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much better and easy to manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and security knows where they are at all times. Used at both Speaking Rock and Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for cattle association. Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day Jaime Solorza On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, "Craig House" < cr...@totalhighspeed.net > wrote: Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a tower site. Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth available to this tower. The campground area is about 110 acres and about 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X WIFI service. UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to recreate the wheel here. This is not in my normal course of business but the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here all be it seasonally. Is the UBNT software good stuff? What are your recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup. What is the best way to market this type of service? Free for basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it. Or Just bill for anything one lower package and one higher package? Has anyone on the list tried this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make and what did you end up using? Ive made enough mistakes in the past with other stuff. I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with . Craig
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Ooo very nice Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 9:31 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > Luckily this is tent camping, mostly. > > *From:* Josh Luthman > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:28 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI > > > Covering campers suck with omnis. Laptop's signals suck, the other > devices are worse. I'd suggest a modest sector to start. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > On May 26, 2015 9:27 PM, "Ken Hohhof" wrote: > >> I’m looking at a permanent installation at a small county >> park/campground where we did a temporary setup last year. >> >> Am I crazy for looking at the UAP-Outdoor+ (2.4 only) linked with M5 >> Locos? I’m not sure the more expensive AC units will help anything, >> coverage is more important than raw capacity. >> >> >> *From:* Jaime Solorza >> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 7:48 PM >> *To:* Animal Farm >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI >> >> >> Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti >> AC Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much better and >> easy to manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and >> security knows where they are at all times. Used at both Speaking Rock and >> Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for >> cattle association. Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day >> >> Jaime Solorza >> On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, "Craig House" wrote: >> >>> Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as >>> a tower site. Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of >>> bandwidth available to this tower. The campground area is about 110 acres >>> and about 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide >>> paid by the X WIFI service. UBNT has a billing platform that I think >>> integrates with their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I >>> dont want to recreate the wheel here. This is not in my normal course of >>> business but the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of >>> potential here all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff? >>> What are your recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a >>> setup. What is the best way to market this type of service? Free for >>> basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it. Or Just >>> bill for anything one lower package and one higher package? Has anyone on >>> the list tried this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make >>> and what did you end up using? Ive made enough mistakes in the past with >>> other stuff. I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with >>> . >>> >>> Craig >>> >>
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Luckily this is tent camping, mostly. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:28 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Covering campers suck with omnis. Laptop's signals suck, the other devices are worse. I'd suggest a modest sector to start. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On May 26, 2015 9:27 PM, "Ken Hohhof" wrote: I’m looking at a permanent installation at a small county park/campground where we did a temporary setup last year. Am I crazy for looking at the UAP-Outdoor+ (2.4 only) linked with M5 Locos? I’m not sure the more expensive AC units will help anything, coverage is more important than raw capacity. From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 7:48 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti AC Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much better and easy to manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and security knows where they are at all times. Used at both Speaking Rock and Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for cattle association. Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day Jaime Solorza On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, "Craig House" wrote: Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a tower site. Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth available to this tower. The campground area is about 110 acres and about 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X WIFI service. UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to recreate the wheel here. This is not in my normal course of business but the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff? What are your recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup. What is the best way to market this type of service? Free for basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it. Or Just bill for anything one lower package and one higher package? Has anyone on the list tried this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make and what did you end up using? Ive made enough mistakes in the past with other stuff. I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with . Craig
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I was looking at Ruckus but the price is definitely for someone else’s budget. From: Paul Stewart Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:21 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working on a plan to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;) When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t seem to deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to a snails pace. It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of the time despite traffic prioritization. I’d take a guess at around 120 users during the day and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7). Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at all … not even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. I’ve read the latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though…. I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in cost but for our application, cost is secondary compared to performance/stability. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti AC Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much better and easy to manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and security knows where they are at all times. Used at both Speaking Rock and Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for cattle association. Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day Jaime Solorza On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, "Craig House" wrote: Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a tower site. Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth available to this tower. The campground area is about 110 acres and about 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X WIFI service. UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to recreate the wheel here. This is not in my normal course of business but the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff? What are your recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup. What is the best way to market this type of service? Free for basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it. Or Just bill for anything one lower package and one higher package? Has anyone on the list tried this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make and what did you end up using? Ive made enough mistakes in the past with other stuff. I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with . Craig
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Covering campers suck with omnis. Laptop's signals suck, the other devices are worse. I'd suggest a modest sector to start. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On May 26, 2015 9:27 PM, "Ken Hohhof" wrote: > I’m looking at a permanent installation at a small county > park/campground where we did a temporary setup last year. > > Am I crazy for looking at the UAP-Outdoor+ (2.4 only) linked with M5 > Locos? I’m not sure the more expensive AC units will help anything, > coverage is more important than raw capacity. > > > *From:* Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 7:48 PM > *To:* Animal Farm > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI > > > Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti > AC Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much better and > easy to manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and > security knows where they are at all times. Used at both Speaking Rock and > Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for > cattle association. Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day > > Jaime Solorza > On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, "Craig House" wrote: > >> Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as >> a tower site. Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of >> bandwidth available to this tower. The campground area is about 110 acres >> and about 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide >> paid by the X WIFI service. UBNT has a billing platform that I think >> integrates with their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I >> dont want to recreate the wheel here. This is not in my normal course of >> business but the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of >> potential here all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff? >> What are your recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a >> setup. What is the best way to market this type of service? Free for >> basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it. Or Just >> bill for anything one lower package and one higher package? Has anyone on >> the list tried this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make >> and what did you end up using? Ive made enough mistakes in the past with >> other stuff. I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with >> . >> >> Craig >> >
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I’m looking at a permanent installation at a small county park/campground where we did a temporary setup last year. Am I crazy for looking at the UAP-Outdoor+ (2.4 only) linked with M5 Locos? I’m not sure the more expensive AC units will help anything, coverage is more important than raw capacity. From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 7:48 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti AC Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much better and easy to manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and security knows where they are at all times. Used at both Speaking Rock and Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for cattle association. Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day Jaime Solorza On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, "Craig House" wrote: Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a tower site. Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth available to this tower. The campground area is about 110 acres and about 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X WIFI service. UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to recreate the wheel here. This is not in my normal course of business but the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff? What are your recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup. What is the best way to market this type of service? Free for basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it. Or Just bill for anything one lower package and one higher package? Has anyone on the list tried this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make and what did you end up using? Ive made enough mistakes in the past with other stuff. I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with . Craig
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We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working on a plan to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;) When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t seem to deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to a snails pace. It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of the time despite traffic prioritization. I’d take a guess at around 120 users during the day and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7). Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at all … not even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. I’ve read the latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though…. I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in cost but for our application, cost is secondary compared to performance/stability. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti AC Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much better and easy to manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and security knows where they are at all times. Used at both Speaking Rock and Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for cattle association. Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day Jaime Solorza On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, "Craig House" mailto:cr...@totalhighspeed.net> > wrote: Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a tower site. Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth available to this tower. The campground area is about 110 acres and about 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X WIFI service. UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to recreate the wheel here. This is not in my normal course of business but the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff? What are your recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup. What is the best way to market this type of service? Free for basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it. Or Just bill for anything one lower package and one higher package? Has anyone on the list tried this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make and what did you end up using? Ive made enough mistakes in the past with other stuff. I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with . Craig
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Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti AC Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much better and easy to manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and security knows where they are at all times. Used at both Speaking Rock and Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for cattle association. Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day Jaime Solorza On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, "Craig House" wrote: > Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a > tower site. Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth > available to this tower. The campground area is about 110 acres and about > 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X > WIFI service. UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with > their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to > recreate the wheel here. This is not in my normal course of business but > the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here > all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff? What are your > recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup. What is > the best way to market this type of service? Free for basic minimal > speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it. Or Just bill for anything > one lower package and one higher package? Has anyone on the list tried > this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make and what did you > end up using? Ive made enough mistakes in the past with other stuff. I > have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with . > > Craig >