Re: [AMRadio] 15 & 10 Open

2005-12-10 Thread Mark K3MSB
Hi Mike --

That was probably me you heard as I was on 15 AM at that time.   I
tired at 3 PM and 4:15 PM EST today, but got no results.   I had the
beam pointed west, so tomorrow I'll remember to swing it southwards.

Went over to 10M to play in the contest -- lots of activity.  I was
running stations from the midwest in the contest from here (PA).

I'll be trying 15 AM again tomorrow.

73 Mark K3MSB

On 12/10/05, Mike Duke, K5XU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ten meters is full of ssb and cw for the 10 meter contest.
>
> I heard someone calling cq on 21.425 AM about 21:15Z, but they were too weak
> for me to pull out their call.
>
> Looks like E skip, as I am hearing mainly mid Atlantic, and Mid West from
> here in Mississippi.
>
>
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Re: [AMRadio] Poll RE: Regulation by Bandwidth

2005-12-10 Thread Mike Sawyer
That may be driven due in part to operators wanting a bigger part of the 
under-used spectrum, i.e. phone VS cw. Then again, it could be shear 
coincidence.
Mike(y)
W3SLK
- Original Message - 
From: "Brian Carling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Discussion of AM Radio" 
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Poll RE: Regulation by Bandwidth


I am surpised that it is only 60% against this nonsensical
proposal.

I am sure ARRL will find try to a way to propogandize this
and ram it through against the wishes of prudent radio amateurs
world worldwide. Their "digital darlings" at Winlink Corp. have
a lot riding on it.

On 10 Dec 2005 at 15:22, Mike Duke, K5XU wrote:

> Below is a segment from the current Amateur Radio Newsline.
>
> Here's our chance to at least be counted by somebody!
>
> K5XU
>
>
> REGULATION BY BANDWIDTH: A AMATEUR RADIO NEWSLINET CYBERSPACE POLL
>
> Still with the regulation by bandwidth issue, we at the Amateur Radio
> Newsline want to know how the general ham radio public feels about the 
> ARRL
> proposal to the FCC on this issue.  So we had our Webmaster prepare a very
> simple click to vote poll to find out.
>
> To take part, all you need to do is to go to our website at
> www.arnewsline.org
> and scroll down until you see the word "Polls" on the
> left side of the page.  There you will find options in favor of the ARRL
> regulation by bandwidth proposal and opposing it.  Just click on the one
> you feel is best for the future of the hobby.  Your vote will be instantly
> added in and the results to date immediately displayed.
>
> Admittedly, this is a far from scientific way to measure the sentiment of
> the ham community on this issue.  None the less it should give all of us 
> an
> indication of what the silent majority in ham radio really wants as the
> century and the hobby progresses.
>
> Again the URL of our website is
> www.arnewsline.org
> and you will find the
> poll on the left side of the page.  (ARNewslineT)
>
>
>
>
>
> Mike Duke, K5XU
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Re: [AMRadio] 15 & 10 Open

2005-12-10 Thread Brian Carling
Yup - 10m is alive. I don't hear anyone yet on 29.0 MHz
but I have the rcvr on there with the squelch pulled back
in case anyone shows up.

I will probably call CQ in a little while too...

On 10 Dec 2005 at 15:37, Mike Duke, K5XU wrote:

> Ten meters is full of ssb and cw for the 10 meter contest.
> 
> I heard someone calling cq on 21.425 AM about 21:15Z, but they were too weak 
> for me to pull out their call.
> 
> Looks like E skip, as I am hearing mainly mid Atlantic, and Mid West from 
> here in Mississippi.
> 
> 
> 
> Mike Duke, K5XU
> American Council of Blind Radio Amateurs
> 
> 
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[AMRadio] 15 & 10 Open

2005-12-10 Thread Mike Duke, K5XU
Ten meters is full of ssb and cw for the 10 meter contest.

I heard someone calling cq on 21.425 AM about 21:15Z, but they were too weak 
for me to pull out their call.

Looks like E skip, as I am hearing mainly mid Atlantic, and Mid West from 
here in Mississippi.



Mike Duke, K5XU
American Council of Blind Radio Amateurs





Re: [AMRadio] Poll RE: Regulation by Bandwidth

2005-12-10 Thread Brian Carling
I am surpised that it is only 60% against this nonsensical 
proposal.

I am sure ARRL will find try to a way to propogandize this 
and ram it through against the wishes of prudent radio amateurs 
world worldwide. Their "digital darlings" at Winlink Corp. have 
a lot riding on it.

On 10 Dec 2005 at 15:22, Mike Duke, K5XU wrote:

> Below is a segment from the current Amateur Radio Newsline.
> 
> Here's our chance to at least be counted by somebody!
> 
> K5XU
> 
> 
> REGULATION BY BANDWIDTH: A AMATEUR RADIO NEWSLINET CYBERSPACE POLL
> 
> Still with the regulation by bandwidth issue, we at the Amateur Radio
> Newsline want to know how the general ham radio public feels about the ARRL
> proposal to the FCC on this issue.  So we had our Webmaster prepare a very
> simple click to vote poll to find out.
> 
> To take part, all you need to do is to go to our website at
> www.arnewsline.org
> and scroll down until you see the word "Polls" on the
> left side of the page.  There you will find options in favor of the ARRL
> regulation by bandwidth proposal and opposing it.  Just click on the one
> you feel is best for the future of the hobby.  Your vote will be instantly
> added in and the results to date immediately displayed.
> 
> Admittedly, this is a far from scientific way to measure the sentiment of
> the ham community on this issue.  None the less it should give all of us an
> indication of what the silent majority in ham radio really wants as the
> century and the hobby progresses.
> 
> Again the URL of our website is
> www.arnewsline.org
> and you will find the
> poll on the left side of the page.  (ARNewslineT)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Mike Duke, K5XU
> American Council of Blind Radio Amateurs
> 
> 
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[AMRadio] Poll RE: Regulation by Bandwidth

2005-12-10 Thread Mike Duke, K5XU
Below is a segment from the current Amateur Radio Newsline.

Here's our chance to at least be counted by somebody!

K5XU


REGULATION BY BANDWIDTH: A AMATEUR RADIO NEWSLINET CYBERSPACE POLL

Still with the regulation by bandwidth issue, we at the Amateur Radio
Newsline want to know how the general ham radio public feels about the ARRL
proposal to the FCC on this issue.  So we had our Webmaster prepare a very
simple click to vote poll to find out.

To take part, all you need to do is to go to our website at
www.arnewsline.org
and scroll down until you see the word "Polls" on the
left side of the page.  There you will find options in favor of the ARRL
regulation by bandwidth proposal and opposing it.  Just click on the one
you feel is best for the future of the hobby.  Your vote will be instantly
added in and the results to date immediately displayed.

Admittedly, this is a far from scientific way to measure the sentiment of
the ham community on this issue.  None the less it should give all of us an
indication of what the silent majority in ham radio really wants as the
century and the hobby progresses.

Again the URL of our website is
www.arnewsline.org
and you will find the
poll on the left side of the page.  (ARNewslineT)





Mike Duke, K5XU
American Council of Blind Radio Amateurs





RE: [AMRadio] ARRL Bandwidth Plan

2005-12-10 Thread Brian Carling
On 10 Dec 2005 at 10:52, Bob Peters wrote:

> I can over ride any digital signal but they can not connect
> if we are on

but they are VERY patient. They will still be there when you pull the 
switch and go to bed. They do not give up. If you pause too much 
they will sneak a few packets through!  : - ))



Re: [AMRadio] ARRL Bandwidth Plan

2005-12-10 Thread W5OMR/Geoff

Bob Peters wrote:


<>Geoff I agree...This discussion is going no were...All of us are still
going to be on am anyway...



My comments on the subject, went direct to Mike(y) and not the list, 
although the list was my intended recpient when I wrote the reply.


It properly identifies my stance on the 'discussion' of the subject.


Mike Sawyer wrote:

My apologies Geoff. I sometimes lose sight of  the fact that not 
everyone is as passionate about my point views as I would like to 
think. Anytime somebody pumps sunshine up my skirt about how great the 
ARRgghhL is just curdles my milk;>) We now return you to our regularly 
scheduled programming8>) 



I don't disagree that this -should- be discussed 'somewhere'... but why 
not discuss digital modes in a digital forum, and let's keep AM and 
Homebrewing in the AM forums?


I, like I'm sure everyone else, have my own opinions about ARRL. 
However, I fail to see where a pissing match over the rules and 
regulations and how poor the ARRL represents Ham Radio in general has a 
place in a forum dedicated to the discussion of AM-specific operation.  
There are better venues for that.



---
73 = Best Regards,
-Geoff/W5OMR





RE: [AMRadio] ARRL Bandwidth Plan

2005-12-10 Thread Bob Peters
Geoff I agree...This discussion is going no were...All of us are still
going to be on am anyway...I guess we just have to take the K1MAN
stance...Ta hell with the FCC  and these digital pompas A!  won't
print it...I can over ride any digital signal but they can not connect
if we are on ...Say AMEN folks..Done proved that already !!!

Bob W1PE

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Candela
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 9:09 AM
To: Discussion of AM Radio
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] ARRL Bandwidth Plan

Geoff,

  You can make a rule in most email programs (i.e.
Outlook, etc.) to take a specific action to an email
that contains a certain subject string. As for me
there is always certain messages  that I overlook with
the delete key. As for the AMRADIO group here, I read
and enjoy quite a bit of it. For the rest, I use the
DEL key.

Hang in there. We welcome and appreciate your inputs,

73,
Jim Candela
WD5JKO

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Re: [AMRadio] ARRL bandwidth scheme not accepted

2005-12-10 Thread Brian Carling
On 9 Dec 2005 at 21:28, peter markavage wrote:

> Having control is good, sort of like bandwidth limitations.

A supposedly benevolent "dictator" is not much better than a 
malevolent one.
He is still a dictator. We apparently now have a small 
group running ARRggghL against the flow and 
trying to manipulate amateur radio



[AMRadio] ARRL Bandwidth Plan

2005-12-10 Thread peter markavage

VJB said -  Pete and I had a separate and direct email exchange underway,
and I feel there's no bad blood.

How can you not like a guy who works SSB DX stations on AM. Paul and I
have known each other for many years; call it friendly dueling; and I do
respect his opinions no matter how far off the wall they might be. You
should see us when we get together in person. For your info, Paul, I was
"there" when the discussion of this alternative proposal (pre-CTT) first
started to take shape. My initial reaction was that these two proposals
would give the FCC a lot to chew on as they ponder the spectrum under
their watch and the amateur radio service's continued viability in future
years.

VJB said - So now they've overreacted and are embracing the novelty of
"digital" peddled to society by commercial interests (HDTV, cellphones,
IPods), but for the hobby via a charismatic leader who is pushing a
specific digital hookup between ham radio and the Internet.

Here's a quote from the FCC:
FCC QUOTE that was part of their Discussion from a Notice of Proposed
Rule Making, 11/2004.

"As an initial matter, we note that one of the purposes of the amateur
service is to contribute to the advancement of the radio art.(1) We
believe that amateur radio operators using amateur service spectrum to
develop new communications systems are using the service in a manner that
is consistent with the basis and purpose of the amateur service. We also
believe that our Rules should not be an impediment to amateur radio
operator's development of new or improved communication systems. In this
regard, we note that the reason amateur radio operators currently may not
transmit communications that combine image emission types and data
emission types on HF frequency segments where data emissions are
authorized is not a technical reason, but rather is because our Rules do
not authorize stations to transmit both image and data emission types on
any HF frequency segments. (2) We also note that amateur radio operators
apparently have developed communication systems and technologies that
transmit both image and data emission types, and that they are using
these systems for communicating. For this reason, we are persuaded that
our Rules are not in harmony with current emission and operating
practices and that our Rules may be impeding amateur radio operators in
advancing the radio art." 

Pete, wa2cwa
"Delete key works for me"

On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 18:47:01 -0800 (PST) VJB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Jack, thank you.
> 
> Pete and I had a separate and direct email exchange
> underway, and I feel there's no bad blood.
> 
> I really dislike confrontation. I prefer
> collaboration, and it's my nature to spend a lot of
> time making sure the other guy feels like he's getting
> heard -- in addition to making sure I actually
> understand what he's saying.
> 
> We could fill a book with the societal problems
> displayed in ham radio. The hobby is tracking rather
> faithfully the general decline in society at large.
> 
> Unfortunately, the last remaining institution that
> might have served as a restraining, stabilizing, and
> positive/nurturing influence has abdicated the role. 
> The reasons are complex, but mostly seem rooted in a
> failure to keep up with the cool stuff in the hobby,
> while being stubbornly loyal to the way it was always
> done.
> 
> Now, it's too late to stem a major loss in support
> (they really are down to about 20 percent
> representation, by their own official figures), and
> their confused and haphazard leadership behaves as if
> it is very scared of the future. 
> 
> So now they've overreacted and are embracing the
> novelty of "digital" peddled to society by commercial
> interests (HDTV, cellphones, IPods), but for the hobby
> via a charismatic leader who is pushing a specific
> digital hookup between ham radio and the Internet.
> 
> The group who spawned this proposal further corrupted
> the already shaky political process the League has
> chronically failed to repair. This would include the
> longstanding lack of published criteria for such "ad
> hoc" committees employed over the years to shape the
> leadership's decision-making.
> 
> I hate being a negative, pain-in-the-ass about their
> system, but their methods are not doing anyone any
> good, and their bandwidth scheme is only the latest
> example of faulty product from a defective system.
> 
> I have to have faith the FCC will see it the same way
> and toss it out.
> 
> There **are** many niches, specialties, and minority
> operating interests in the hobby.  I am of like-mind
> with your view we really must pull together and
> minimize these little turf wars.
> 
> The problem remains that the approach the League took
> foments just that kind of infighting.
> 
> The best answer, for the meantime, is to fight efforts
> to give what most people would consider an unfair
> advantage to one category of activity, inappropriately
> using the regulatory structure besides.
> 
> Af

Re: [AMRadio] ARRL Bandwidth Plan

2005-12-10 Thread W2AGN

Jim Candela wrote:

Geoff,

  You can make a rule in most email programs (i.e.
Outlook, etc.) to take a specific action to an email
that contains a certain subject string. As for me
there is always certain messages  that I overlook with
the delete key. As for the AMRADIO group here, I read
and enjoy quite a bit of it. For the rest, I use the
DEL key.

Hang in there. We welcome and appreciate your inputs,

73,
Jim Candela
WD5JKO

--- W5OMR/Geoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




Someone let me know when this thread/discussion is
over.  I'll 
resubscribe, then.


73
W5OMR





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Re: [AMRadio] ARRL Bandwidth Plan

2005-12-10 Thread Jim Candela
Geoff,

  You can make a rule in most email programs (i.e.
Outlook, etc.) to take a specific action to an email
that contains a certain subject string. As for me
there is always certain messages  that I overlook with
the delete key. As for the AMRADIO group here, I read
and enjoy quite a bit of it. For the rest, I use the
DEL key.

Hang in there. We welcome and appreciate your inputs,

73,
Jim Candela
WD5JKO

--- W5OMR/Geoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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> 
> Someone let me know when this thread/discussion is
> over.  I'll 
> resubscribe, then.
> 
> 73
> W5OMR
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Re: [AMRadio] Ashtabula Bill

2005-12-10 Thread AB3L1
In a message dated 12/9/2005 8:26:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Bob,   This is a quirkie web site that seems to  change
often. Still, search the site for "astabula" and the
mug is  there. Also search for "amradio" and you can
get a T-shirt of Bill in the  same pose along with the
famous AM mug. I love my mug!  

Regards,
Jim
Got it. Did all of that last night but didn't work.
 
 
Hopefully Bill is being compensated for this. Does anybody know if that is  
happening?
 
Bob AB3L





Re: [AMRadio] ARRL Bandwidth Plan

2005-12-10 Thread W5OMR/Geoff



Someone let me know when this thread/discussion is over.  I'll 
resubscribe, then.


73
W5OMR