Re: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul
Well, it's just a simple suggestion to keep this group tidier, cleaner. It's for the same "speck of dust" reasoning you gave, but in my way, cleaning that speck of dust means deleting that mail. ;-) Some agree with me on that, some don't, it's as simple as that. Also, I simply don't have time & will to write thousands of replies, just because I love AR, which I absolutely do, as much as any Rahmaniac on this planet! I strongly feel that AR needs no defending... his years of quality work, unlimited creativity, astounding versatility, unbelievable consistency & above all, his humble personality... all speaks for itself... " The search is more important than the destination " - a r rahman - From: Gayathri Chandrakasan To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, 5 October, 2009 8:18:58 AM Subject: Re: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul Yes, I understand your point Vishwesh and I totally agree with you. These sort of comments do arise from time to time and more often than not, the original author hardly reverts with any justifications on his earlier comments. So why do I, or the others keep responding to them? I can't speak for the others, but as far as I'm concerned, it's the love that I have for ARR and his music which prompts me to do so. Some call it possessiveness, some might think of it as a wasted effort. But I have always stand up for what I believe & love, and I believe in ARR's music more than anything else in the world. Thus, if I have to respond to hundreds, even thousands of articles which bad-mouths ARR, I will still do so willingly. Yes, like you said it's better to keep quiet and ignore those mails, but I would never do so. If there's a speck of dust in your house, would you ignore it? Some might but I wouldn't. I would rather clean the speck of dust before it turns the whole house into a heap of rubbish. Likewise, I akin these mails to the speck of dust. I would rather speak up and gain the self-contentment of preventing them from contaminating ARR's music, than ignore the comments and develop a hatred towards all non-ARR fans as a result of it. And believe me, I have nothing against those who choose to ignore these "junk mails". I know many think it's baseless to respond to such mails. That's totally your choice and you're not wrong in doing so. But I'm just saying that I would still respond to them no matter how baseless/unjustifia ble/groundless it is, cos'...well, this is how I am and I'm not wrong either. --- On Sat, 10/3/09, || V i s h w e s h || wrote: >From: || V i s h w e s h || >Subject: Re: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul >To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com >Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 1:27 PM > > >> > > > > >Well, believe me, they don't. I'm a member here for 6-7 years & I know. Every >so often, these negative one liners pops up and we good-hearted people try to >explain them about evolution in AR's music over the years & such, but the >original poster is long gone!! So... many a times, it's pretty much a wasted >effort. This has become like a routine thing here & it's no way a good routine >IMO... > > >" The search is more important than the destination " >- a r rahman - > > > > > From: Sreekrishnan R >To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com >Sent: Saturday, 3 October, 2009 10:25:17 PM >Subject: Re: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul > > > >Who knows 'him/her' are atleast reading the replies for them! > > > > > > From: || V i s h w e s h || >To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com >Sent: Saturday, 3 October, 2009 7:21:36 PM >Subject: Re: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking > soul > > > >When are we going to learn to neglect these "one line negative mail attention >seekers"?? They just post some negative one liners about AR & (most of the >times) disappear completely after that. And we keep on replying to him/her, >trying to knock some senses into him/her, trying to explain the same stuff >again & again & again to these "" who in the first place doesn't care at >all about all that. They are never gonna learn/understand these things no >matter how or what we tell them. > >So just try to think about this next time... > > > >" The search is more important than the destination " >- a r > rahman - > > > > > From: ichord >To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com &
Re: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul
Yes, I understand your point Vishwesh and I totally agree with you. These sort of comments do arise from time to time and more often than not, the original author hardly reverts with any justifications on his earlier comments. So why do I, or the others keep responding to them? I can't speak for the others, but as far as I'm concerned, it's the love that I have for ARR and his music which prompts me to do so. Some call it possessiveness, some might think of it as a wasted effort. But I have always stand up for what I believe & love, and I believe in ARR's music more than anything else in the world. Thus, if I have to respond to hundreds, even thousands of articles which bad-mouths ARR, I will still do so willingly. Yes, like you said it's better to keep quiet and ignore those mails, but I would never do so. If there's a speck of dust in your house, would you ignore it? Some might but I wouldn't. I would rather clean the speck of dust before it turns the whole house into a heap of rubbish. Likewise, I akin these mails to the speck of dust. I would rather speak up and gain the self-contentment of preventing them from contaminating ARR's music, than ignore the comments and develop a hatred towards all non-ARR fans as a result of it. And believe me, I have nothing against those who choose to ignore these "junk mails". I know many think it's baseless to respond to such mails. That's totally your choice and you're not wrong in doing so. But I'm just saying that I would still respond to them no matter how baseless/unjustifiable/groundless it is, cos'...well, this is how I am and I'm not wrong either. --- On Sat, 10/3/09, || V i s h w e s h || wrote: From: || V i s h w e s h || Subject: Re: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 1:27 PM Well, believe me, they don't. I'm a member here for 6-7 years & I know. Every so often, these negative one liners pops up and we good-hearted people try to explain them about evolution in AR's music over the years & such, but the original poster is long gone!! So... many a times, it's pretty much a wasted effort. This has become like a routine thing here & it's no way a good routine IMO... " The search is more important than the destination " - a r rahman - From: Sreekrishnan R To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Saturday, 3 October, 2009 10:25:17 PM Subject: Re: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul Who knows 'him/her' are atleast reading the replies for them! From: || V i s h w e s h || To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Saturday, 3 October, 2009 7:21:36 PM Subject: Re: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul When are we going to learn to neglect these "one line negative mail attention seekers"?? They just post some negative one liners about AR & (most of the times) disappear completely after that. And we keep on replying to him/her, trying to knock some senses into him/her, trying to explain the same stuff again & again & again to these "" who in the first place doesn't care at all about all that. They are never gonna learn/understand these things no matter how or what we tell them. So just try to think about this next time... " The search is more important than the destination " - a r rahman - From: ichord To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Saturday, 3 October, 2009 6:16:12 PM Subject: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul Gayathri, You hit it spot on! Exactly my thoughts too. ARR moves forward, not backwards. It's ok to have your favorites, but we must not confuse nostalgia with quality either. --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, Gayathri Chandrakasan wrote: > > I remember watching an interview of ARR with actor Vivek...it was just after > the Oscars. ARR in answering one of the questions posed to him, said that he > loves to compose songs using a particular raaga but the problem he faces is > that the particular song ends up sounding similar to a song composed > earlier. To avoid that, he began to use ragas that are not usually used to > compose for a particular situation... he gave Hai Raama of Rangeela as an > example by which a seductive song was composed using a classical carnatic > raaga. > > Probably for the same reasons, ARR has decided to opt for hindustani and > ghazal in tamil songs as opposed to the carnatic raagas used by most MDs > here. In fact, I feel that this quality of ARR's i.e bringing in different > flavour to his songs and thinking out of
Re: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul
Yes, absolutely you are cent percent correct. those who are all commenting in negative manner really they are ungrowth fellows. they dont want changes in their life. But our boss he is experimenting by pushing new things in the Indian music. these guys making us time pass with our comments. so better just press delete button and go for next mail message. thanks basha "All Praise to God" --- On Sun, 10/4/09, || V i s h w e s h || wrote: From: || V i s h w e s h || Subject: Re: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 1:27 AM You don't have to reply to every tom, dick & harry who says something negative about AR or his music. Some people never learn or understand or change... so sometimes it's best to just ignore them & move on. If someone puts their thoughts in sensible enough way, then you can reply to those coz you at least know that they are serious enough to gather their thoughts & put it here properly. But about these "one line mailers", I think it's best to press Delete button & move on... " The search is more important than the destination " - a r rahman - From: V S Rawat To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Saturday, 3 October, 2009 10:02:36 PM Subject: Re: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul On 10/3/2009 7:21 PM India Time, _|| V i s h w e s h ||_ wrote: > When are we going to learn to neglect these "one line negative mail > attention seekers"?? They just post some negative one liners about AR & > (most of the times) disappear completely after that. And we keep on > replying to him/her, trying to knock some senses into him/her, trying to > explain the same stuff again & again & again to these "" who in the > first place doesn't care at all about all that. They are never gonna > learn/understand these things no matter how or what we tell them. > > So just try to think about this next time... What is the option? We can't really let someone saying bad things about boss' music. We have to reply. -- Rawat Keep up with people you care about with Yahoo! India Mail. Learn how.
Re: Kawaali in Kahna hi kya vs Chaand Sifarish (Re: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul)
Rahman's interlude is one of all time favourites in Kehna hi kya... Thts whn I fell in Love with Rahmans music.. On 10/3/09, V S Rawat wrote: > > > > "I feel that this quality of ARR's i.e bringing in different flavour to his > songs and thinking out of the box is what sets him apart from others." > > Well said, ma'm. > > Indeed. That is the essence of ARR. I still remember the goose pimples I > used to get from Bombay's Kahna Hi kya heaing the kawaali used in such an > innovative soothing way. And that was the beginning. Boss has given many > such new combo. > > Btw, kawaali as a background mix brings "Chaand Sifarish" of Fanaa to my > mind, that was a recent song by Jatin Lalit that has similar kawaali type of > effect in that subhan allaah. The song is indeed pleasant but it wouldn't > match even a bit of the magic that ARR had created in Kahna hi kya, so it > has been some 13-14 years after Kahna Hi kya that no other MD has been able > to match what ARR did then. > > -- > > On 10/2/2009 7:47 PM India Time, _Gayathri Chandrakasan_ wrote: > > > I remember watching an interview of ARR with actor Vivek...it was just > > after the Oscars. ARR in answering one of the questions posed to him, > > said that he loves to compose songs using a particular raaga but the > > problem he faces is that the particular song ends up sounding similar to > > a song composed earlier. To avoid that, he began to use ragas that are > > not usually used to compose for a particular situation...he gave Hai > > Raama of Rangeela as an example by which a seductive song was > > composed using a classical carnatic raaga. > > > > Probably for the same reasons, ARR has decided to opt for hindustani and > > ghazal in tamil songs as opposed to the carnatic raagas used by most MDs > > here. In fact, I feel that this quality of ARR's i.e bringing in > > different flavour to his songs and thinking out of the box is what sets > > him apart from others. > > > > But whatever said and done, the usage of Northern classical does not > > mean that ARR has lost his 90's touches. He never lost his touches...he > > has only developed his music to a new level. When most MDs sit and > > compose a song in a customary manner, ARR doesn't even stick to what he > > created. He keeps creating new genres in music and moves forward. > > > > But the problem here is that some listeners (his fans included) only > > tend to think his 90's songs as magical and amazing...hence the uses of > > words such as "he lost his touch", "there's no longer soul in his songs" > > etc. But come to think of it, how long do you want him to sit and > > compose songs like Kadhal rojave and Minnale? Don't get me wrong, I love > > these songs. I truly believe these songs are amazing and stunning > > numbers, but so do songs like Munbe Vaa and Newyork Nagaram. > > > > It's kinda distressing that after all the development and changes ARR > > has painfully brought to the Indian music, there are still some who want > > him to stay to where he was 17 years ago. > > > > > > > > --- On *Thu, 10/1/09, Din, D, Nesh > > />/* > wrote: > > > > > > From: Din, D, Nesh > > > > Subject: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul > > To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 10:21 PM > > > > > > lately, in the hub i chat often, i had an opportunity to chat this > > gentleman who knows carnatic music. i always had a doubt that these > > days A.R.Rahman doesnt use carnatic raag and such like those days > > during 90s annd he too confirmed it. He said nowdays ARR hardly uses > > carnatic tunes/raagams and such. It could be this that nowdays some > > fans say he has lost his 90s touch coz he hardly uses carnatic > > tunes. He used to use carnatic flavors for his Hindi tracks as well. > > He said Marudhani and Sahana had heavy North flavors. Maybe some > > music experts here like swaps can double confirm with us? I guess > > thats why some fans here say his songs doenst have soul becoz of this? > > > > --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com > > < > http://us.mc590.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com > >, > > "sriramvr_in" wrote: > > > > > > must be due to less time available to him. > > >
Re: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul
Well, believe me, they don't. I'm a member here for 6-7 years & I know. Every so often, these negative one liners pops up and we good-hearted people try to explain them about evolution in AR's music over the years & such, but the original poster is long gone!! So... many a times, it's pretty much a wasted effort. This has become like a routine thing here & it's no way a good routine IMO... " The search is more important than the destination " - a r rahman - From: Sreekrishnan R To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, 3 October, 2009 10:25:17 PM Subject: Re: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul Who knows 'him/her' are atleast reading the replies for them! From: || V i s h w e s h || To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Saturday, 3 October, 2009 7:21:36 PM Subject: Re: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul When are we going to learn to neglect these "one line negative mail attention seekers"?? They just post some negative one liners about AR & (most of the times) disappear completely after that. And we keep on replying to him/her, trying to knock some senses into him/her, trying to explain the same stuff again & again & again to these "" who in the first place doesn't care at all about all that. They are never gonna learn/understand these things no matter how or what we tell them. So just try to think about this next time... " The search is more important than the destination " - a r rahman - ____ From: ichord To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Saturday, 3 October, 2009 6:16:12 PM Subject: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul Gayathri, You hit it spot on! Exactly my thoughts too. ARR moves forward, not backwards. It's ok to have your favorites, but we must not confuse nostalgia with quality either. --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, Gayathri Chandrakasan wrote: > > I remember watching an interview of ARR with actor Vivek...it was just after > the Oscars. ARR in answering one of the questions posed to him, said that he > loves to compose songs using a particular raaga but the problem he faces is > that the particular song ends up sounding similar to a song composed earlier. > To avoid that, he began to use ragas that are not usually used to compose for > a particular situation... he gave Hai Raama of Rangeela as an example by > which a seductive song was composed using a classical carnatic raaga. > > Probably for the same reasons, ARR has decided to opt for hindustani and > ghazal in tamil songs as opposed to the carnatic raagas used by most MDs > here. In fact, I feel that this quality of ARR's i.e bringing in different > flavour to his songs and thinking out of the box is what sets him apart from > others. > > But whatever said and done, the usage of Northern classical does not mean > that ARR has lost his 90's touches. He never lost his touches...he has only > developed his music to a new level. When most MDs sit and compose a song in a > customary manner, ARR doesn't even stick to what he created. He keeps > creating new genres in music and moves forward. > > But the problem here is that some listeners (his fans included) only tend to > think his 90's songs as magical and amazing...hence the uses of words such as > "he lost his touch", "there's no longer soul in his songs" etc. But come to > think of it, how long do you want him to sit and compose songs like Kadhal > rojave and Minnale? Don't get me wrong, I love these songs. I truly believe > these songs are amazing and stunning numbers, but so do songs like Munbe Vaa > and Newyork Nagaram. > > It's kinda distressing that after all the development and changes ARR has > painfully brought to the Indian music, there are still some who want him to > stay to where he was 17 years ago. > > > > --- On Thu, 10/1/09, Din, D, Nesh wrote: > > > From: Din, D, Nesh > Subject: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul > To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 10:21 PM > > > > > > > lately, in the hub i chat often, i had an opportunity to chat this gentleman > who knows carnatic music. i always had a doubt that these days A.R.Rahman > doesnt use carnatic raag and such like those days during 90s annd he too > confirmed it. He said nowdays ARR hardly uses carnatic tunes/raagams and > such. It could be this that nowdays some fans say he has lost his 90s touch > coz he hardly uses carnatic tunes. He used to
Re: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul
You don't have to reply to every tom, dick & harry who says something negative about AR or his music. Some people never learn or understand or change... so sometimes it's best to just ignore them & move on. If someone puts their thoughts in sensible enough way, then you can reply to those coz you at least know that they are serious enough to gather their thoughts & put it here properly. But about these "one line mailers", I think it's best to press Delete button & move on... " The search is more important than the destination " - a r rahman - From: V S Rawat To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, 3 October, 2009 10:02:36 PM Subject: Re: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul On 10/3/2009 7:21 PM India Time, _|| V i s h w e s h ||_ wrote: > When are we going to learn to neglect these "one line negative mail > attention seekers"?? They just post some negative one liners about AR & > (most of the times) disappear completely after that. And we keep on > replying to him/her, trying to knock some senses into him/her, trying to > explain the same stuff again & again & again to these "" who in the > first place doesn't care at all about all that. They are never gonna > learn/understand these things no matter how or what we tell them. > > So just try to think about this next time... What is the option? We can't really let someone saying bad things about boss' music. We have to reply. -- Rawat Add whatever you love to the Yahoo! India homepage. Try now! http://in.yahoo.com/trynew
Re: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul
Who knows 'him/her' are atleast reading the replies for them! From: || V i s h w e s h || To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, 3 October, 2009 7:21:36 PM Subject: Re: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul When are we going to learn to neglect these "one line negative mail attention seekers"?? They just post some negative one liners about AR & (most of the times) disappear completely after that. And we keep on replying to him/her, trying to knock some senses into him/her, trying to explain the same stuff again & again & again to these "" who in the first place doesn't care at all about all that. They are never gonna learn/understand these things no matter how or what we tell them. So just try to think about this next time... " The search is more important than the destination " - a r rahman - From: ichord To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Saturday, 3 October, 2009 6:16:12 PM Subject: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul Gayathri, You hit it spot on! Exactly my thoughts too. ARR moves forward, not backwards. It's ok to have your favorites, but we must not confuse nostalgia with quality either. --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, Gayathri Chandrakasan wrote: > > I remember watching an interview of ARR with actor Vivek...it was just after > the Oscars. ARR in answering one of the questions posed to him, said that he > loves to compose songs using a particular raaga but the problem he faces is > that the particular song ends up sounding similar to a song composed earlier. > To avoid that, he began to use ragas that are not usually used to compose for > a particular situation... he gave Hai Raama of Rangeela as an example by > which a seductive song was composed using a classical carnatic raaga. > > Probably for the same reasons, ARR has decided to opt for hindustani and > ghazal in tamil songs as opposed to the carnatic raagas used by most MDs > here. In fact, I feel that this quality of ARR's i.e bringing in different > flavour to his songs and thinking out of the box is what sets him apart from > others. > > But whatever said and done, the usage of Northern classical does not mean > that ARR has lost his 90's touches. He never lost his touches...he has only > developed his music to a new level. When most MDs sit and compose a song in a > customary manner, ARR doesn't even stick to what he created. He keeps > creating new genres in music and moves forward. > > But the problem here is that some listeners (his fans included) only tend to > think his 90's songs as magical and amazing...hence the uses of words such as > "he lost his touch", "there's no longer soul in his songs" etc. But come to > think of it, how long do you want him to sit and compose songs like Kadhal > rojave and Minnale? Don't get me wrong, I love these songs. I truly believe > these songs are amazing and stunning numbers, but so do songs like Munbe Vaa > and Newyork Nagaram. > > It's kinda distressing that after all the development and changes ARR has > painfully brought to the Indian music, there are still some who want him to > stay to where he was 17 years ago. > > > > --- On Thu, 10/1/09, Din, D, Nesh wrote: > > > From: Din, D, Nesh > Subject: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul > To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 10:21 PM > > > > > > > lately, in the hub i chat often, i had an opportunity to chat this gentleman > who knows carnatic music. i always had a doubt that these days A.R.Rahman > doesnt use carnatic raag and such like those days during 90s annd he too > confirmed it. He said nowdays ARR hardly uses carnatic tunes/raagams and > such. It could be this that nowdays some fans say he has lost his 90s touch > coz he hardly uses carnatic tunes. He used to use carnatic flavors for his > Hindi tracks as well. He said Marudhani and Sahana had heavy North flavors. > Maybe some music experts here like swaps can double confirm with us? I guess > thats why some fans here say his songs doenst have soul becoz of this? > > --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, "sriramvr_in" wrote: > > > > must be due to less time available to him. > > > Connect more, do more and share more with Yahoo! India Mail. Learn more. Keep up with people you care about with Yahoo! India Mail. Learn how. http://in.overview.mail.yahoo.com/connectmore
Re: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul
On 10/3/2009 7:21 PM India Time, _|| V i s h w e s h ||_ wrote: > When are we going to learn to neglect these "one line negative mail > attention seekers"?? They just post some negative one liners about AR & > (most of the times) disappear completely after that. And we keep on > replying to him/her, trying to knock some senses into him/her, trying to > explain the same stuff again & again & again to these "" who in the > first place doesn't care at all about all that. They are never gonna > learn/understand these things no matter how or what we tell them. > > So just try to think about this next time... What is the option? We can't really let someone saying bad things about boss' music. We have to reply. -- Rawat
Re: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul
.. and he disappeared into oblivion again. we will see his mail when the next album releases. till then, good bye, "disappointed, hard-core rahman fan" take care and we will never miss you RIP
Re: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul
When are we going to learn to neglect these "one line negative mail attention seekers"?? They just post some negative one liners about AR & (most of the times) disappear completely after that. And we keep on replying to him/her, trying to knock some senses into him/her, trying to explain the same stuff again & again & again to these "" who in the first place doesn't care at all about all that. They are never gonna learn/understand these things no matter how or what we tell them. So just try to think about this next time... " The search is more important than the destination " - a r rahman - From: ichord To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, 3 October, 2009 6:16:12 PM Subject: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul Gayathri, You hit it spot on! Exactly my thoughts too. ARR moves forward, not backwards. It's ok to have your favorites, but we must not confuse nostalgia with quality either. --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, Gayathri Chandrakasan wrote: > > I remember watching an interview of ARR with actor Vivek...it was just after > the Oscars. ARR in answering one of the questions posed to him, said that he > loves to compose songs using a particular raaga but the problem he faces is > that the particular song ends up sounding similar to a song composed earlier. > To avoid that, he began to use ragas that are not usually used to compose for > a particular situation... he gave Hai Raama of Rangeela as an example by > which a seductive song was composed using a classical carnatic raaga. > > Probably for the same reasons, ARR has decided to opt for hindustani and > ghazal in tamil songs as opposed to the carnatic raagas used by most MDs > here. In fact, I feel that this quality of ARR's i.e bringing in different > flavour to his songs and thinking out of the box is what sets him apart from > others. > > But whatever said and done, the usage of Northern classical does not mean > that ARR has lost his 90's touches. He never lost his touches...he has only > developed his music to a new level. When most MDs sit and compose a song in a > customary manner, ARR doesn't even stick to what he created. He keeps > creating new genres in music and moves forward. > > But the problem here is that some listeners (his fans included) only tend to > think his 90's songs as magical and amazing...hence the uses of words such as > "he lost his touch", "there's no longer soul in his songs" etc. But come to > think of it, how long do you want him to sit and compose songs like Kadhal > rojave and Minnale? Don't get me wrong, I love these songs. I truly believe > these songs are amazing and stunning numbers, but so do songs like Munbe Vaa > and Newyork Nagaram. > > It's kinda distressing that after all the development and changes ARR has > painfully brought to the Indian music, there are still some who want him to > stay to where he was 17 years ago. > > > > --- On Thu, 10/1/09, Din, D, Nesh wrote: > > > From: Din, D, Nesh > Subject: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul > To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 10:21 PM > > > > > > > lately, in the hub i chat often, i had an opportunity to chat this gentleman > who knows carnatic music. i always had a doubt that these days A.R.Rahman > doesnt use carnatic raag and such like those days during 90s annd he too > confirmed it. He said nowdays ARR hardly uses carnatic tunes/raagams and > such. It could be this that nowdays some fans say he has lost his 90s touch > coz he hardly uses carnatic tunes. He used to use carnatic flavors for his > Hindi tracks as well. He said Marudhani and Sahana had heavy North flavors. > Maybe some music experts here like swaps can double confirm with us? I guess > thats why some fans here say his songs doenst have soul becoz of this? > > --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, "sriramvr_in" wrote: > > > > must be due to less time available to him. > > > Now, send attachments up to 25MB with Yahoo! India Mail. Learn how. http://in.overview.mail.yahoo.com/photos
Kawaali in Kahna hi kya vs Chaand Sifarish (Re: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul)
"I feel that this quality of ARR's i.e bringing in different flavour to his songs and thinking out of the box is what sets him apart from others." Well said, ma'm. Indeed. That is the essence of ARR. I still remember the goose pimples I used to get from Bombay's Kahna Hi kya heaing the kawaali used in such an innovative soothing way. And that was the beginning. Boss has given many such new combo. Btw, kawaali as a background mix brings "Chaand Sifarish" of Fanaa to my mind, that was a recent song by Jatin Lalit that has similar kawaali type of effect in that subhan allaah. The song is indeed pleasant but it wouldn't match even a bit of the magic that ARR had created in Kahna hi kya, so it has been some 13-14 years after Kahna Hi kya that no other MD has been able to match what ARR did then. -- On 10/2/2009 7:47 PM India Time, _Gayathri Chandrakasan_ wrote: > I remember watching an interview of ARR with actor Vivek...it was just > after the Oscars. ARR in answering one of the questions posed to him, > said that he loves to compose songs using a particular raaga but the > problem he faces is that the particular song ends up sounding similar to > a song composed earlier. To avoid that, he began to use ragas that are > not usually used to compose for a particular situation...he gave Hai > Raama of Rangeela as an example by which a seductive song was > composed using a classical carnatic raaga. > > Probably for the same reasons, ARR has decided to opt for hindustani and > ghazal in tamil songs as opposed to the carnatic raagas used by most MDs > here. In fact, I feel that this quality of ARR's i.e bringing in > different flavour to his songs and thinking out of the box is what sets > him apart from others. > > But whatever said and done, the usage of Northern classical does not > mean that ARR has lost his 90's touches. He never lost his touches...he > has only developed his music to a new level. When most MDs sit and > compose a song in a customary manner, ARR doesn't even stick to what he > created. He keeps creating new genres in music and moves forward. > > But the problem here is that some listeners (his fans included) only > tend to think his 90's songs as magical and amazing...hence the uses of > words such as "he lost his touch", "there's no longer soul in his songs" > etc. But come to think of it, how long do you want him to sit and > compose songs like Kadhal rojave and Minnale? Don't get me wrong, I love > these songs. I truly believe these songs are amazing and stunning > numbers, but so do songs like Munbe Vaa and Newyork Nagaram. > > It's kinda distressing that after all the development and changes ARR > has painfully brought to the Indian music, there are still some who want > him to stay to where he was 17 years ago. > > > > --- On *Thu, 10/1/09, Din, D, Nesh //* wrote: > > > From: Din, D, Nesh > Subject: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul > To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 10:21 PM > > > lately, in the hub i chat often, i had an opportunity to chat this > gentleman who knows carnatic music. i always had a doubt that these > days A.R.Rahman doesnt use carnatic raag and such like those days > during 90s annd he too confirmed it. He said nowdays ARR hardly uses > carnatic tunes/raagams and such. It could be this that nowdays some > fans say he has lost his 90s touch coz he hardly uses carnatic > tunes. He used to use carnatic flavors for his Hindi tracks as well. > He said Marudhani and Sahana had heavy North flavors. Maybe some > music experts here like swaps can double confirm with us? I guess > thats why some fans here say his songs doenst have soul becoz of this? > > --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com > > <http://us.mc590.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com>, > "sriramvr_in" wrote: > > > > must be due to less time available to him.
[arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul
very true. i was also reluctant before but then i grabbed all his tamil discography (yep i downloaded it. how else would i have got it here in Denmark?) and learned how incomplete i was without listening to his tamil albums. language isn't a barrier at all when it comes to music. i don't understand a word but enjoyed it 100% and in some cases even felt that tamil words gels even better with the music and also they sound too good too. - Jahanzeb --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "Niven" wrote: > > Anish, if you haven't listen to tamil tracks of Rahman, its not sumthing that > you missed but 75% of the magic of Boss. and if I follow your logic that dont > speaking a language means not listening to it, i wonder how Jai Ho would be > as successful as it is. > > Friend, do urself a favour and as you said grab as much tamil soundtracks > from Boss as you can ASAP ;-) > > Niven > > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Anish Gupte wrote: > > > > Hmm..I dont speak Tamil so have not heard of Rahman's south Indian > > albums...but will surely try n grab these songs.. > > > > Sorry if I missed sumthing. > > > > Anish. > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 10:55 AM, kishore parayath < > > kishore.parayath@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > @ ANISH GUPTE: Do find time for listening to numbers like "KALLURI SALAI" > > > (KADHAL DESAM), "URVASI URVASI" (KADHALAN), MUKKALA MUQABLA (KADHALAN), > > > and > > > LAST, but not the least... "NEW (NEW -a 2003 Tamil film starring sj surya) > > > > > > > > > > > >
[arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul
Gayathri, You hit it spot on! Exactly my thoughts too. ARR moves forward, not backwards. It's ok to have your favorites, but we must not confuse nostalgia with quality either. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Gayathri Chandrakasan wrote: > > I remember watching an interview of ARR with actor Vivek...it was just after > the Oscars. ARR in answering one of the questions posed to him, said that he > loves to compose songs using a particular raaga but the problem he faces is > that the particular song ends up sounding similar to a song composed > earlier. To avoid that, he began to use ragas that are not usually used to > compose for a particular situation...he gave Hai Raama of Rangeela as an > example by which a seductive song was composed using a classical carnatic > raaga. > > Probably for the same reasons, ARR has decided to opt for hindustani and > ghazal in tamil songs as opposed to the carnatic raagas used by most MDs > here. In fact, I feel that this quality of ARR's i.e bringing in different > flavour to his songs and thinking out of the box is what sets him apart from > others. > > But whatever said and done, the usage of Northern classical does not mean > that ARR has lost his 90's touches. He never lost his touches...he has only > developed his music to a new level. When most MDs sit and compose a song in a > customary manner, ARR doesn't even stick to what he created. He keeps > creating new genres in music and moves forward. > > But the problem here is that some listeners (his fans included) only tend to > think his 90's songs as magical and amazing...hence the uses of words such as > "he lost his touch", "there's no longer soul in his songs" etc. But come to > think of it, how long do you want him to sit and compose songs like Kadhal > rojave and Minnale? Don't get me wrong, I love these songs. I truly believe > these songs are amazing and stunning numbers, but so do songs like Munbe Vaa > and Newyork Nagaram. > > It's kinda distressing that after all the development and changes ARR has > painfully brought to the Indian music, there are still some who want him to > stay to where he was 17 years ago. > > > > --- On Thu, 10/1/09, Din, D, Nesh wrote: > > > From: Din, D, Nesh > Subject: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul > To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 10:21 PM > > > > > > > lately, in the hub i chat often, i had an opportunity to chat this gentleman > who knows carnatic music. i always had a doubt that these days A.R.Rahman > doesnt use carnatic raag and such like those days during 90s annd he too > confirmed it. He said nowdays ARR hardly uses carnatic tunes/raagams and > such. It could be this that nowdays some fans say he has lost his 90s touch > coz he hardly uses carnatic tunes. He used to use carnatic flavors for his > Hindi tracks as well. He said Marudhani and Sahana had heavy North flavors. > Maybe some music experts here like swaps can double confirm with us? I guess > thats why some fans here say his songs doenst have soul becoz of this? > > --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, "sriramvr_in" wrote: > > > > must be due to less time available to him. > > >
Re: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul
I remember watching an interview of ARR with actor Vivek...it was just after the Oscars. ARR in answering one of the questions posed to him, said that he loves to compose songs using a particular raaga but the problem he faces is that the particular song ends up sounding similar to a song composed earlier. To avoid that, he began to use ragas that are not usually used to compose for a particular situation...he gave Hai Raama of Rangeela as an example by which a seductive song was composed using a classical carnatic raaga. Probably for the same reasons, ARR has decided to opt for hindustani and ghazal in tamil songs as opposed to the carnatic raagas used by most MDs here. In fact, I feel that this quality of ARR's i.e bringing in different flavour to his songs and thinking out of the box is what sets him apart from others. But whatever said and done, the usage of Northern classical does not mean that ARR has lost his 90's touches. He never lost his touches...he has only developed his music to a new level. When most MDs sit and compose a song in a customary manner, ARR doesn't even stick to what he created. He keeps creating new genres in music and moves forward. But the problem here is that some listeners (his fans included) only tend to think his 90's songs as magical and amazing...hence the uses of words such as "he lost his touch", "there's no longer soul in his songs" etc. But come to think of it, how long do you want him to sit and compose songs like Kadhal rojave and Minnale? Don't get me wrong, I love these songs. I truly believe these songs are amazing and stunning numbers, but so do songs like Munbe Vaa and Newyork Nagaram. It's kinda distressing that after all the development and changes ARR has painfully brought to the Indian music, there are still some who want him to stay to where he was 17 years ago. --- On Thu, 10/1/09, Din, D, Nesh wrote: From: Din, D, Nesh Subject: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 10:21 PM lately, in the hub i chat often, i had an opportunity to chat this gentleman who knows carnatic music. i always had a doubt that these days A.R.Rahman doesnt use carnatic raag and such like those days during 90s annd he too confirmed it. He said nowdays ARR hardly uses carnatic tunes/raagams and such. It could be this that nowdays some fans say he has lost his 90s touch coz he hardly uses carnatic tunes. He used to use carnatic flavors for his Hindi tracks as well. He said Marudhani and Sahana had heavy North flavors. Maybe some music experts here like swaps can double confirm with us? I guess thats why some fans here say his songs doenst have soul becoz of this? --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, "sriramvr_in" wrote: > > must be due to less time available to him. >
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when A.R.Rahman composed Rangeela back in those days, he didnt know a single Hindi word. Being an ARR fan, please do not do this mistake by not listening to his songs which is in a language u dun understand. Missing out his South Indian albums are like missing out what built his career. Im sorry u never heard Sangamam, Boys, Ratchagan, Iruvar, Kangalal Kaithi Sei, Parthale Paravasam, Uzhavan, Kizhakke Cheemayile, Karuthamma, Pudhiya Mannargal, En Swase Katrea, Thenali, Kadhal Virus, Kannathil Muttamittal, New, Ah Aah, Sivaji, Sillunu Oru Kadhal, Ennaku 20 Unnake 18, Udhaya, Azhagiya Tamizh Magan, Pavithra, Andhimanthirai, Kandukoindain Kandukoindain, Rhythm, Varalaaru (Godfather),Baba, Padaiyappa and such. Wow, missing out these albums are a big minus point in one ARR fan's life. Note that all these albums doesnt have a Hindi dubbed. So imagine what have u missed. Infact i recomend u to listen to the Original of the dubbed Hindi once in Tamil like "Kadhalan, Duet, Kadhalar Dinam, Thiruda Thiruda, Muthu, Love Birds, Minsara Kanavu, Mr. Romeo, Kadhal Desam, May Madham, Pudhiya Mugam, Gentleman, Roja, Bombay, Indira, Jeans, Indian, Mudhalvan, Alaipayuthey, and more. These album reflects sheer and unique magic in Tamil as it originally composed for Tamil movies in mind. My sincere request, Please break the language barrier! - to all the ARR fans who only listen to one language. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Anish Gupte wrote: > > Hmm..I dont speak Tamil so have not heard of Rahman's south Indian > albums...but will surely try n grab these songs.. > > Sorry if I missed sumthing. > > Anish. > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 10:55 AM, kishore parayath < > kishore.paray...@...> wrote: > > > > > > > @ ANISH GUPTE: Do find time for listening to numbers like "KALLURI SALAI" > > (KADHAL DESAM), "URVASI URVASI" (KADHALAN), MUKKALA MUQABLA (KADHALAN), and > > LAST, but not the least... "NEW (NEW -a 2003 Tamil film starring sj surya) > > > > > > >
[arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul
Anish, if you haven't listen to tamil tracks of Rahman, its not sumthing that you missed but 75% of the magic of Boss. and if I follow your logic that dont speaking a language means not listening to it, i wonder how Jai Ho would be as successful as it is. Friend, do urself a favour and as you said grab as much tamil soundtracks from Boss as you can ASAP ;-) Niven --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Anish Gupte wrote: > > Hmm..I dont speak Tamil so have not heard of Rahman's south Indian > albums...but will surely try n grab these songs.. > > Sorry if I missed sumthing. > > Anish. > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 10:55 AM, kishore parayath < > kishore.paray...@...> wrote: > > > > > > > @ ANISH GUPTE: Do find time for listening to numbers like "KALLURI SALAI" > > (KADHAL DESAM), "URVASI URVASI" (KADHALAN), MUKKALA MUQABLA (KADHALAN), and > > LAST, but not the least... "NEW (NEW -a 2003 Tamil film starring sj surya) > > > > > > >
Re: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul
Hmm..I dont speak Tamil so have not heard of Rahman's south Indian albums...but will surely try n grab these songs.. Sorry if I missed sumthing. Anish. On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 10:55 AM, kishore parayath < kishore.paray...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > @ ANISH GUPTE: Do find time for listening to numbers like "KALLURI SALAI" > (KADHAL DESAM), "URVASI URVASI" (KADHALAN), MUKKALA MUQABLA (KADHALAN), and > LAST, but not the least... "NEW (NEW -a 2003 Tamil film starring sj surya) > > >
Re: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul
@ ANISH GUPTE: Do find time for listening to numbers like "KALLURI SALAI" (KADHAL DESAM), "URVASI URVASI" (KADHALAN), MUKKALA MUQABLA (KADHALAN), and LAST, but not the least... "NEW (NEW -a 2003 Tamil film starring sj surya)
Re: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul
In my opinion, A.R. Rahman is at his distinct best when composing rich, soulful melodies with suttle sounds and touches. He's not as good at youthful , pacy music...and i repeat ..hes not at his BEST...that doesnt mean hes not good...Period. Anish. On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 9:21 PM, coolwiz80 wrote: > I > > Did u expect Dil ne jise apna kaha type of music for Blue ?? then yes u r > right... > > don't confuse ur feelings and expectations with what ARR delivers. Music > and Content always go hand in hand...thats always been the case with > Rahman's music. and thats the reason the soundtracks of Blue, Couple's > retreat, Slumdog Millionaire, JTYJN, Ghajini, and many more have such > distinct music. > > Sirish > > > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com , > "sriramvr_in" wrote: > > > > must be due to less time available to him. > > > > >
Re: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul
Those who say BLUE lacks soul... LISTEN TO REHNUMA LISTEN TO REHNUMA LISTEN TO REHNUMA LISTEN TO REHNUMA LISTEN TO REHNUMA LISTEN TO REHNUMA LISTEN TO REHNUMA LISTEN TO REHNUMA LISTEN TO REHNUMA LISTEN TO REHNUMA
[arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul
Hi Sriram - Do us a favour...stop listening to the "soul-less" albums of ARR!! Comeon...gimme a break...what do u expect ARR to do in a movie like Blue...compose hindustani classical or carnatic raaga based songs? Cheers, Balaji --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Vithur wrote: > > What are the other albums which u feel are lacking soul > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 8:11 PM, sriramvr_in wrote: > > > > > > > must be due to less time available to him. > > > > > > > > > > -- > regards, > Vithur >
[arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul
lately, in the hub i chat often, i had an opportunity to chat this gentleman who knows carnatic music. i always had a doubt that these days A.R.Rahman doesnt use carnatic raag and such like those days during 90s annd he too confirmed it. He said nowdays ARR hardly uses carnatic tunes/raagams and such. It could be this that nowdays some fans say he has lost his 90s touch coz he hardly uses carnatic tunes. He used to use carnatic flavors for his Hindi tracks as well. He said Marudhani and Sahana had heavy North flavors. Maybe some music experts here like swaps can double confirm with us? I guess thats why some fans here say his songs doenst have soul becoz of this? --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "sriramvr_in" wrote: > > must be due to less time available to him. >
[arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul
Did u expect Dil ne jise apna kaha type of music for Blue ?? then yes u r right... don't confuse ur feelings and expectations with what ARR delivers. Music and Content always go hand in hand...thats always been the case with Rahman's music. and thats the reason the soundtracks of Blue, Couple's retreat, Slumdog Millionaire, JTYJN, Ghajini, and many more have such distinct music. Sirish --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "sriramvr_in" wrote: > > must be due to less time available to him. >
[arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul
Blue is music for an action film. It's designed by purpose not to have a lot of soul. Which other albums of ARR do you think lack soul? Just a reminder, ARR scores music for a movie and has to fit the score to match the movie. Ghajini, Blue, and Slumdog were 3 soundtracks that are based on action/suspense kinds of films, so limiting the amount of soul into these soundtracks is done by design, not due to time constraints. And by the way, I still find songs like Kaise Mujhe (Ghajini), Dreams on Fire (Slumdog), and Bhoola Tujhe (Blue) to be quite soulful. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "sriramvr_in" wrote: > > must be due to less time available to him. >
