[Bacula-users] Questions regarding upgrading old bacula version (rpm install)

2007-04-07 Thread Shaun T. Erickson
I am running bacula 1.36.1. It was installed via rpms that Scott
built, back in 2004. This is what I currently have:

backup server:
runs: CentOS 3.8
bacula: bacula-mysql-1.36.1-1.i386.wb3.rpm
mysql: 4.1.14 from MySQL-AB

client group #1:
runs: Red Hat 9
bacula: bacula-client-1.36.1-1.i386.rh9.rpm

client group #2:
runs: Red Hat 7.1
runs: Red Hat Linux Advanced Server 2.1AS
bacula: bacula-client-1.36.1-1.i386.rh7.rpm

client group #3:
runs: Windows Server 2000
bacula: winbacula-1.36.1-1.exe

I need to upgrade to the latest stable release of bacula, site-wide.

It seems to me that it should be very simple to upgrade all of the
clients, assuming there are rpms for all these old OSes. BTW, where do
I get the rpms from and does Scott still maintain them?

What about upgrading the backup server? I need to not screw it up. :)
Any suggestions, gotchas, tips? I've never done a bacula upgrade
before. Will I still be able to read the tapes made with my old
installation?

If there's anything I haven't mentioned, that's important to my
successfully performing this upgrade, please tell me, and thank you
all very much, in advance.
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Re: [Bacula-users] Questions regarding upgrading old bacula version (rpm install)

2007-04-07 Thread Kern Sibbald
On Saturday 07 April 2007 15:09, Shaun T. Erickson wrote:
 I am running bacula 1.36.1. It was installed via rpms that Scott
 built, back in 2004. This is what I currently have:
 
 backup server:
 runs: CentOS 3.8
 bacula: bacula-mysql-1.36.1-1.i386.wb3.rpm
 mysql: 4.1.14 from MySQL-AB
 
 client group #1:
 runs: Red Hat 9
 bacula: bacula-client-1.36.1-1.i386.rh9.rpm
 
 client group #2:
 runs: Red Hat 7.1
 runs: Red Hat Linux Advanced Server 2.1AS
 bacula: bacula-client-1.36.1-1.i386.rh7.rpm
 
 client group #3:
 runs: Windows Server 2000
 bacula: winbacula-1.36.1-1.exe
 
 I need to upgrade to the latest stable release of bacula, site-wide.
 
 It seems to me that it should be very simple to upgrade all of the
 clients, assuming there are rpms for all these old OSes. BTW, where do
 I get the rpms from and does Scott still maintain them?
 
 What about upgrading the backup server? I need to not screw it up. :)
 Any suggestions, gotchas, tips? I've never done a bacula upgrade
 before. Will I still be able to read the tapes made with my old
 installation?

I am sure you will get some responses that answer your questions, but two 
tips: 

1. Read the upgrading sections of the manual -- there are two or three (see 
Upgrading in the index of the Development manual).

2. Realize that you are upgrading two database levels, so you will probably 
need to upgrade the database to 1.38.x first (probably manually) then do a 
2.0.x upgrade.

 
 If there's anything I haven't mentioned, that's important to my
 successfully performing this upgrade, please tell me, and thank you
 all very much, in advance.
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Re: [Bacula-users] Questions regarding upgrading old bacula version (rpm install)

2007-04-07 Thread Shaun T. Erickson
On 4/7/07, Kern Sibbald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I am sure you will get some responses that answer your questions, but two
 tips:

 1. Read the upgrading sections of the manual -- there are two or three (see
 Upgrading in the index of the Development manual).

 2. Realize that you are upgrading two database levels, so you will probably
 need to upgrade the database to 1.38.x first (probably manually) then do a
 2.0.x upgrade.

Thanks, Kern.

I've done some digging and I have answered a number of my questions.
I've read that the tapes will be able to be read by the newer version.
I also found that Scott (and others) do still make the rpms and that
they're on sourceforge. I see that there is no rh7 rpm built though,
so I downloaded the srpm and tried to compile it with this command:

rpmbuild -ba --define build_client_only 1 --define build_rh7 1
rpmbuild/SPECS/bacula.spec

It's failing, complaining of a build-time requirement of
libxml2-devel, yet I can find no libxml2 and libxml2-devel for RH7.1
on the Red Hat archive site in the original release or the updates to
it. I don't know how to proceed.

I noticed in the manual section on building rpms that there were
permission changes between 1.36 and 1.38. I'll watch out for that when
moving to the latest release, but was wondering if the rpms just take
care of fixing it if needed?

I also see that the scripts needed to do the db upgrade yoou mentioned
are in an rpm from Scott, so I should be ok there.

My main problem is building that rh7 client ... suggestions anyone?
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Re: [Bacula-users] Questions regarding upgrading old bacula version (rpm install)

2007-04-07 Thread Shaun T. Erickson
I tried commenting out the build-requirement of libxml2-devel, hoping
the client didn't need it. That got me a lot further. Now I'm seeing
two things:

openssl/asn1t.h appears to be missing, yet I have openssl and
openssl-devel installed, and objdump is complaining it doesn't
understand the file format of a lot of files.
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Re: [Bacula-users] [Bacula-devel] Change of address

2007-04-07 Thread C M Reinehr
Dan,

Congratulations from me, as well. Get ready for a significant culture shock as 
well as a weather shock. You'll find south Florida to be a much more laid 
back, casual place to work. On a more negative note, be prepaired for higher 
property taxes  insurance and hurricanes. (I don't know anything about 
property taxes in Ottawa but property taxes in FL are high relative to most 
of the USA, and, of course you don't get many hurricanes in Ottawa :-)

I second Kern's recommendation re airconditioning. Life couldn't exist, here 
in the southern US, without A/C.

Feel free to make a stop in Montgomery AL on your drive down. My wife is from 
Miami so we can give you some insight into FL, the southern USA as well as 
provide you a free bed for a night!

Cheers!

cmr

On Saturday 07 April 2007 02:20, Kern Sibbald wrote:
 Hello Dan,

 Congratulations on your new job.  The only thing that they probably didn't
 tell you is that depending on exactly where you will be, unless you learn
 Spanish you might feel a bit disadvantaged :-)  I don't consider that a
 negative point, but rather a nice opportunity.

 About the weather, I wouldn't worry too much.  I lived 12 years in
 Maryland, which has similar summer weather (with winter weather like the
 northern US) and once you learn how to slow down your movement in the
 summer, everything goes pretty well.  If you have a car, I recommend
 selling it and getting one with air conditioning -- that will make life a
 lot nicer in the summer. The only unpleasant moments were when it was 90 F
 degrees (32 C) outside, my car had been sitting in the sun (40-45 C
 inside), and it would start raining around.  Typically this is around 3pm.
 It becomes somewhat of a catastrophy without A/C trying to deal with the
 heat (windows rolled up to prevent inondation) and fogged windows.  :-) 
 Car A/C solves the problem.

 We wish you the best and look forward to hearing from you and hopefully
 your continuing participation.

 Best regards,

 Kern

 On Friday 06 April 2007 23:00, Dan Langille wrote:
  Folks:
 
  I've accepted a job offer from eSilo.com.  This means I'm moving to
  Jupiter (north of Miami) Florida from Ottawa.
 
  eSilo does backups over the Internet.  It's a turn-key solution.  I'm
  not yet sure how much I can talk about what I'm going to be doing,
  but my primary roles do not intersect with the work I've done on
  Bacula.  There will be an NDA for me to work on, but that won't
  prevent me from continuing to contribute to Bacula.
 
  Biggest tasks to hand: find a place to live, move my stuff down
  there.  Biggest thing to move that I can't drive there: my HD TV
 
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Re: [Bacula-users] Incremental is really a full on FC6

2007-04-07 Thread Ridley
Well, after doing a stat on many, many files, it appears that Nautilus
or some other application (possibly updatedb) is modifying the
timestamps on every file on the system. There is no virus checker as
this is a Linux system.

Placing mtimeonly=yes in the Options seems to take care of the problem.


On Fri, 2007-03-30 at 05:31 -0600, Ridley wrote:
 I have Bacula backing up only /home on a Linux workstation running FC6.
 This is the Fileset:
 
 FileSet {
   Name = Home Set
   Include {
 Options {
   signature = MD5
   compression = GZIP
   Exclude = yes
   WildFile = /home/*/.mozilla/firefox/*/Cache/*
   WildFile = /home/*/.mozilla/default/*/Cache/*
   WildFile = /home/*/.mozilla/eclipse/Cache/*
   WildFile = /home/*/.gnome2/epiphany/mozilla/epiphany/Cache/*
   WildDir = /home/*/.beagle/TextCache
   WildDir = /home/*/.evolution/cache
   WildDir = /home/*/.java/deployment/cache
 }
 File = /home
   }
 #  Exclude {
 #  }
 }
 
 
 And this is the Schedule:
 
 Schedule {
   Name = WeeklyCycle
   Run = Full 1st sun at 23:05
   Run = Differential 2nd-5th sun at 23:05
   Run = Incremental mon-sat at 23:05
 }
 
 
 Unfortunately, even though the Job says it is supposed to perform
 Incrementals mon-sat and the messages say it is an incremental, it uses
 nearly the same amount of space every time:
  
 Job run manually:
 ...
 Backup Level:   Full (upgraded from Incremental)
 ...
  FD Bytes Written:   32,908,099,036 (32.90 GB)
  SD Bytes Written:   32,921,345,734 (32.92 GB)
 ...
 
 
 Job run automatically later in day:
 ...
  Backup Level:   Incremental, since=2007-03-29 14:05:18
 ...
   FD Bytes Written:   31,923,730,782 (31.92 GB)
   SD Bytes Written:   31,930,104,420 (31.93 GB)
 ...
 
 
 What gives? I know all 32 GB didn't change as they are mostly digital
 pictures in the home directory? Is there something in gnome or FC6 that
 changes the atime on every file?
 
 
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Re: [Bacula-users] [Bacula-devel] Change of address

2007-04-07 Thread Ryan Novosielski
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Congratulations, and it's good to hear that you will not be restricted
from continued work.

Ottawa to Florida is quite a move, but I can only assume you know what
you're doing and that they've made it very worth your while. Consider,
also, if you currently own a dark colored car that you might want to own
one that is lighter -- the heat down there is such that this will make a
difference. I'm personally of the personality that would be interested
in moving farther north to actually get some snow again (I live in
Newark, NJ and the snows seem to have stopped in the last few years),
and to escape association with the US, which is kind of a disappointing
country as of late.

As far as what Kern said, though, I wouldn't consider Florida's summers
similar to Maryland. Of course I never lived in Maryland, but I believe
Florida's humidity changes things quite a bit. One nice thing about
Florida, though, is the changeable weather; if it is pouring rain at
10:00a, it likely will not be by 2:00p... seems a whole day is seldom
ruined by poor weather.

C M Reinehr wrote:
 Dan,
 
 Congratulations from me, as well. Get ready for a significant culture shock 
 as 
 well as a weather shock. You'll find south Florida to be a much more laid 
 back, casual place to work. On a more negative note, be prepaired for higher 
 property taxes  insurance and hurricanes. (I don't know anything about 
 property taxes in Ottawa but property taxes in FL are high relative to most 
 of the USA, and, of course you don't get many hurricanes in Ottawa :-)
 
 I second Kern's recommendation re airconditioning. Life couldn't exist, here 
 in the southern US, without A/C.
 
 Feel free to make a stop in Montgomery AL on your drive down. My wife is from 
 Miami so we can give you some insight into FL, the southern USA as well as 
 provide you a free bed for a night!
 
 Cheers!
 
 cmr
 
 On Saturday 07 April 2007 02:20, Kern Sibbald wrote:
 Hello Dan,

 Congratulations on your new job.  The only thing that they probably didn't
 tell you is that depending on exactly where you will be, unless you learn
 Spanish you might feel a bit disadvantaged :-)  I don't consider that a
 negative point, but rather a nice opportunity.

 About the weather, I wouldn't worry too much.  I lived 12 years in
 Maryland, which has similar summer weather (with winter weather like the
 northern US) and once you learn how to slow down your movement in the
 summer, everything goes pretty well.  If you have a car, I recommend
 selling it and getting one with air conditioning -- that will make life a
 lot nicer in the summer. The only unpleasant moments were when it was 90 F
 degrees (32 C) outside, my car had been sitting in the sun (40-45 C
 inside), and it would start raining around.  Typically this is around 3pm.
 It becomes somewhat of a catastrophy without A/C trying to deal with the
 heat (windows rolled up to prevent inondation) and fogged windows.  :-) 
 Car A/C solves the problem.

 We wish you the best and look forward to hearing from you and hopefully
 your continuing participation.

 Best regards,

 Kern

 On Friday 06 April 2007 23:00, Dan Langille wrote:
 Folks:

 I've accepted a job offer from eSilo.com.  This means I'm moving to
 Jupiter (north of Miami) Florida from Ottawa.

 eSilo does backups over the Internet.  It's a turn-key solution.  I'm
 not yet sure how much I can talk about what I'm going to be doing,
 but my primary roles do not intersect with the work I've done on
 Bacula.  There will be an NDA for me to work on, but that won't
 prevent me from continuing to contribute to Bacula.

 Biggest tasks to hand: find a place to live, move my stuff down
 there.  Biggest thing to move that I can't drive there: my HD TV

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[Bacula-users] DVD Support Clarification..

2007-04-07 Thread montef
Hello,

 I've been reading the support documentation for bacula with regard to
backing up to DVD media.
( http://www.bacula.org/dev-manual/System_Requirements.html )

 In the System Requirements section, the last bullet point says :

If you want to use DVD as backup medium, you will need to download the
dvd+rw-tools 5.21.4.10.8, apply the patch to make these tools compatible
with Bacula, then compile and install them. Do not use the dvd+rw-tools
provided by your distribution, they will not work with Bacula.

 My questions are:

 1. There is a specific version of the dvd+rw-tools software listed
here.  Does this mean that this spefific version, and only this version;
is required for bacula to be able to do backups to DVD?  I run Gentoo
Linux on the system I want to run bacula on, and it lists the current
version of the dvd+rw-tools package as version 7.0. Do I need to
un-install version 7.0 of the dvd+rw-tools package and go get version
5.21.4.10.8 in order for bacula to function?

 2. In this same paragraph, the word patch is a hyperlink to:

http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/*checkout*/bacula/bacula/patches/dvd+rw-tools-5.21.4.10.8.bacula.patch

 However, this link is broken. If this patch is still required, where is
the correct place to get it?
 
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Re: [Bacula-users] Questions regarding upgrading old bacula version (rpm install)

2007-04-07 Thread Kern Sibbald
On Saturday 07 April 2007 18:21, Shaun T. Erickson wrote:
 On 4/7/07, Kern Sibbald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I am sure you will get some responses that answer your questions, but two
  tips:
 
  1. Read the upgrading sections of the manual -- there are two or three 
(see
  Upgrading in the index of the Development manual).
 
  2. Realize that you are upgrading two database levels, so you will 
probably
  need to upgrade the database to 1.38.x first (probably manually) then do a
  2.0.x upgrade.
 
 Thanks, Kern.
 
 I've done some digging and I have answered a number of my questions.
 I've read that the tapes will be able to be read by the newer version.
 I also found that Scott (and others) do still make the rpms and that
 they're on sourceforge. I see that there is no rh7 rpm built though,
 so I downloaded the srpm and tried to compile it with this command:
 
 rpmbuild -ba --define build_client_only 1 --define build_rh7 1
 rpmbuild/SPECS/bacula.spec
 
 It's failing, complaining of a build-time requirement of
 libxml2-devel, yet I can find no libxml2 and libxml2-devel for RH7.1
 on the Red Hat archive site in the original release or the updates to
 it. I don't know how to proceed.
 
 I noticed in the manual section on building rpms that there were
 permission changes between 1.36 and 1.38. I'll watch out for that when
 moving to the latest release, but was wondering if the rpms just take
 care of fixing it if needed?
 
 I also see that the scripts needed to do the db upgrade yoou mentioned
 are in an rpm from Scott, so I should be ok there.
 
 My main problem is building that rh7 client ... suggestions anyone?

Build from source.  A site that I help administer has an old 7.1 machine with 
no CDROM (I removed it to add another hard disk), and I build everything from 
source.

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Re: [Bacula-users] DVD Support Clarification..

2007-04-07 Thread Kern Sibbald
On Saturday 07 April 2007 20:33, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello,
 
  I've been reading the support documentation for bacula with regard to
 backing up to DVD media.
 ( http://www.bacula.org/dev-manual/System_Requirements.html )
 
  In the System Requirements section, the last bullet point says :
 
 If you want to use DVD as backup medium, you will need to download the
 dvd+rw-tools 5.21.4.10.8, apply the patch to make these tools compatible
 with Bacula, then compile and install them. Do not use the dvd+rw-tools
 provided by your distribution, they will not work with Bacula.
 
  My questions are:
 
  1. There is a specific version of the dvd+rw-tools software listed
 here.  Does this mean that this spefific version, and only this version;
 is required for bacula to be able to do backups to DVD?  I run Gentoo
 Linux on the system I want to run bacula on, and it lists the current
 version of the dvd+rw-tools package as version 7.0. Do I need to
 un-install version 7.0 of the dvd+rw-tools package and go get version
 5.21.4.10.8 in order for bacula to function?
 
  2. In this same paragraph, the word patch is a hyperlink to:
 
 
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/*checkout*/bacula/bacula/patches/dvd+rw-tools-5.21.4.10.8.bacula.patch
 
  However, this link is broken. If this patch is still required, where is
 the correct place to get it?

See the patches directory in the source code.  There is a patch for a later 
version.  It is possible that version 7 has the patch integrated, but you 
will need to check that.

I don't recommend using DVDs for any serious backup.  The Bacula 2.0.x DVD 
backup seems to work, but I consider the code BETA, and even if it were 
production, I wouldn't put my data on DVD (CDROM perhaps, but not DVD).

  
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Re: [Bacula-users] DVD Support Clarification..

2007-04-07 Thread montef
 
 See the patches directory in the source code.  There is a patch for a later 
 version.  It is possible that version 7 has the patch integrated, but you 
 will need to check that.

 Is there a certain function/feature that I can look for in version 7 to
know if it has what Bacula needs?
  
 I don't recommend using DVDs for any serious backup.  The Bacula 2.0.x DVD 
 backup seems to work, but I consider the code BETA, and even if it were 
 production, I wouldn't put my data on DVD (CDROM perhaps, but not DVD).

 Interesting.  Mind if I ask why? I need to back up close to 100 gigs.
Why not write that to media that holds ~4 gigs per piece instead of to
something that holds ~800 megs?

 With advances in capacity of optical media, is the general opinion that
seemingly older technology is better for backups?  Not trying to start
a religious flame war, just wondering if there's something that others
know about backup media that I need to learn. :)
  
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[Bacula-users] Soliciting opinions

2007-04-07 Thread Ilya Volvovski
Hi,
 
My name is Ilya Volvovski and I am a software architect for a company
called Cleversafe (www.cleversafe.org http://www.cleversafe.org/  and
www.cleversafe.com http://www.cleversafe.com/ )
 
I address this discussion group to gauge interest in our proposition
from people who make living by making sure that data is not lost.
Cleversafe mission is to offer a product that would provide unlimited,
secure, scalable, reliable data storage facility. We want to move
storage from home tape devices, CD/DVD drives to Internet. 
 
If you look at our website, you would learn that are patented approach
allows to achieve very high level of reliability with reasonably small
data blowup (2.0 now but our next release would make it configurable:
30% data overhead still would still guarantee high reliability). Data
could be optionally encrypted, compressed and then dispersed into
several locations. Cleversafe Storage Grid is also self-healing: if a
few slices are lost due to hardware problems, they could be recreated by
the grid. 
 
Our software would give means to store data, but we are not backup
experts.  We want the existing backup solutions be used as before but
enabled to store data on Cleversafe Storage Grid. Being an open source
project we first looked at open source solutions and this lead us to
Bacula. 
 
Cleversafe has no expertise in using Bacula. However we were able to
install and we performed a very trivial integration with NO changes to
the existing Bacula codebase. We confirmed that if we configure Bacula
with a file type device, which happen to be our grid, we could use
Bacula to store data on it.
 
I have several questions to the group:
- how interesting this idea sounds to system administrators and people
who routinely perform backups
- how interesting this idea sounds to software developers who work in
the backup/storage world. Is there potential to change/enhance this
software in order to target grid market 
- are there any caveats of using Bacula with file device? As I
understand that it is not mainstream usage; Bacula is primarily geared
towards tape devices.
 
Regards,
Ilya Volvovski
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Re: [Bacula-users] [Bacula-devel] Change of address

2007-04-07 Thread Dan Langille
On 7 Apr 2007 at 9:20, Kern Sibbald wrote:

 Hello Dan,
 
 Congratulations on your new job.  The only thing that they probably didn't 
 tell you is that depending on exactly where you will be, unless you learn 
 Spanish you might feel a bit disadvantaged :-)  I don't consider that a 
 negative point, but rather a nice opportunity.

We'll see..  The part of Florida I'll be in seems quite 
anglophone.

 About the weather, I wouldn't worry too much.  I lived 12 years in
 Maryland, which has similar summer weather (with winter weather like
 the northern US) and once you learn how to slow down your movement in
 the summer, everything goes pretty well.  If you have a car, I
 recommend selling it and getting one with air conditioning -- that
 will make life a lot nicer in the summer. The only unpleasant moments
 were when it was 90 F degrees (32 C) outside, my car had been sitting
 in the sun (40-45 C inside), and it would start raining around. 
 Typically this is around 3pm. It becomes somewhat of a catastrophy
 without A/C trying to deal with the heat (windows rolled up to prevent
 inondation) and fogged windows.  :-)  Car A/C solves the problem. 

A/C is common in most cars in Canada.  Mine is a 2001 Subaru, and we 
use the A/C frequently.  It also comes in handy in winter for 
defrosting.  Yes, we run the A/C and the heater at the same time.  So 
it is warm dry air.

 We wish you the best and look forward to hearing from you and hopefully your 
 continuing participation.

cheers

 
 Best regards,
 
 Kern
 
 On Friday 06 April 2007 23:00, Dan Langille wrote:
  Folks:
  
  I've accepted a job offer from eSilo.com.  This means I'm moving to 
  Jupiter (north of Miami) Florida from Ottawa.
  
  eSilo does backups over the Internet.  It's a turn-key solution.  I'm 
  not yet sure how much I can talk about what I'm going to be doing, 
  but my primary roles do not intersect with the work I've done on 
  Bacula.  There will be an NDA for me to work on, but that won't 
  prevent me from continuing to contribute to Bacula.
  
  Biggest tasks to hand: find a place to live, move my stuff down 
  there.  Biggest thing to move that I can't drive there: my HD TV
  
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Re: [Bacula-users] Questions regarding upgrading old bacula version (rpm install)

2007-04-07 Thread Shaun T. Erickson
On 4/7/07, Kern Sibbald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Build from source.  A site that I help administer has an old 7.1 machine with
 no CDROM (I removed it to add another hard disk), and I build everything from
 source.

Ok. I did that for my RH7.1 and RHLAS2.1AS systems. Shortly, I'll be
done upgrading the RPMs on my RH9 systems with the RPM Scott provides.

Question: for my Windows Server 2000 boxes, do I uninstall the current
winbacula client and then install the newer one, or do I install the
newer one over the current one?

Then it'll be on to upgrading the backup server itself. Joy.
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