Re: csa names

2003-01-26 Thread Allan Balliett
And, of course, Allan, I should tell you about our little adventure 
with 'the hunt' and how they burnt down the house we were living in 
(long term house sitting) while we were at work because I wouldn't 
let 'the hunt' cross the property.

OK, Leigh. I really don't like bringing this list down to the 
squabbling of neighbors with each other, but, I actually read in the 
Washington Post, of all places, that you are a person who plane out 
doesn't like rich people!!

To temper this, I should say that after my 'welcome aboard tour' in 
Middleburg, I told my host "I hate to sound like a tourist, but do 
you ever see the star of "Gods and Generals," actor Robert Duvall, 
around here? only to hear from my host "Allan, you  just steer clear 
of Bobby Duvall. He's really rather an asshole."



Re: csa names

2003-01-26 Thread Leigh Hauter
And, of course, Allan, I should tell you about our little adventure 
with 'the hunt' and how they burnt down the house we were living in 
(long term house sitting) while we were at work because I wouldn't 
let 'the hunt' cross the property.



Re: csa names

2003-01-26 Thread Allan Balliett
Mostly. the large estates belong to old money, the sort of inbred 
person that was born with money and in turn never did a thing with 
their life except ride a horse after a pack of hounds that are 
yapping at a scrawny fox.

Last weekend my arrival to the farm was slowed while waiting for 
three horsemen with a pack of hounds running around them. They were 
certainly saving themselves for the chase, I guess! After about 10 
minutes they actually moved into the rough and let me pass. I had not 
idea that packs of hounds could be so large!

The previous farmer here told me 'It's a great place, but waiting for 
the horses to go by gets a bit tiring.' ;-)



Re: csa names

2003-01-26 Thread Allan Balliett
My what a fine county you have moved to.


Yes, the third most prosperous in the US!




Re: csa names

2003-01-26 Thread Leigh Hauter
Allan,
You sure don't know your celebrities and where they live.  Sissy 
Spacek lives outside of Charlottesville, VA.  I know this because 
when we had Komondors 10-20 years ago her husband came up and bought 
a couple  from a litter.  As far as other actors and the ilk, this 
isn't great country for them.  Liz Taylor lived near by when she was 
married to John Warner but she quickly bored of being a Senator's 
wife and the local horsey scene.  Mostly. the large estates belong to 
old money, the sort of inbred person that was born with money and in 
turn never did a thing with their life except ride a horse after a 
pack of hounds that are yapping at a scrawny fox.

 I imagine your middleburg market won't be those people. They aren't 
competent enough to buy food to feed themselves, they need someone 
else to feed them.  Your market will most likely be the hangers on 
and the near do well (is that the correct term?) The people who own 
the shops that service the landed gentry, and the people who have 
enough for 10 acres and can afford to build a house of questionable 
taste with large pillars, brick facades and designs that below in 
another country and another time.  You know, retired football 
players, computer executives who got out when the getting was good, 
and  white collar crooks of various descriptions.

My what a fine county you have moved to.



Re: csa names

2003-01-26 Thread Allan Balliett
Allan, I guess you would know what works best for your local customers, I
have trouble keeping up with you.have you moved again ? Where are you
now ?


This is the way we get the preps on as much earth as possible, Gideon!!

I'm in Middleburg, VA. (or THE PLAINS, VA) That's west of Washington 
DC and East of the Blue Ridge. It's horse country. It's Grass 
Country. It's the home of Sissy Spacek and Robert Duvall and the home 
of the heirs of old school business founders. For example, members of 
the Mellon family are neighbors. And so on.

A tornado took out 23 standard 100 year apple trees from my new 
garden last year. No one had seen a tornado here before. Know what? 
I've had twisters in my last two bd gardens. We've come to associate 
them with prep applications. I don't think that preps had anything to 
do with the apple killing tornado, though.

Thanks for checking up



Re: csa names

2003-01-26 Thread gideon cowen
Allan, I guess you would know what works best for your local customers, I
have trouble keeping up with you.have you moved again ? Where are you
now ?
g.
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> >sounds like your local supermarket ! (I guess this should read
convenience
> >store in Yankese.)
>
> Actually, Gideon, 'local' is what separates it from 'supermarket.'
>
> The phrase is one that has been picked like 'authentic food' as a way
> of indicating that if you buy Fresh (picked this morning) and Local
> (within 100 miles), you've pretty much moved to supporting small,
> value-driven farms.
>
> My gut feeling, though, is similar to your, or I would have embraced this
one.
>
> The blockage here is the difficulty with the word "CSA" Let's face
> it, if this were 'really' CSA, there w.b. a core group pulling this
> together while I keep working on the artichoke and the ginger
> management plans. But, "CSA" has its meaning to people who want fresh
> and locally grown food.
>
> Good to hear from you, my man. I wish you'd find time to write more.
>
> -Allan
>




Re: csa names

2003-01-25 Thread Lance Howard
.I have to add one more suggestion:

You could feature Hugh's testimonial and call it AgriViagra.

Lurkin' Lance




Re: csa names

2003-01-25 Thread Leigh Hauter
Title: Re: csa names


Hello Jane, 

I'm over in Virginia, between
Haymarket and The Plains.  Allan's new place is going to be just
down the road from me, I think.

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Re: csa names

2003-01-25 Thread Allan Balliett
Leigh,
Where is yoiur farm located?
I live in Takoma Park.
Jane Parker


Jane - Check out his webpage www.bullrunfarm.com

Otherwise, he's in THE PLAINS, VA.

I'm also in THE PLAINS this season. Leigh's, what? The highest farm 
in the county(?) and I"m down in the rolling 'horse country' below. 
(Seems like there must be some sort of season shifting symbiosis in 
that (and I bet there is)

Leigh is a really good man. Not just a successful farmer bringing 
lots of toxin free food to lots of families for a very long time, but 
also a man with a strong social conscience and a history of effective 
activism...why just the other day...Oh, hell, I'll leave the stories 
to Leigh. He's also a famous story teller.



Re: csa names

2003-01-25 Thread Prkrjake
I listen to Pacifica Radio,
and I am a humanist.



Re: csa names

2003-01-25 Thread Prkrjake
Leigh, 
Where is yoiur farm located?
I live in Takoma Park.
Jane Parker


Re: csa names

2003-01-25 Thread Allan Balliett
Jane said:
Maybe you need an economist on your core group team, Leigh.



or some of those Pacifica Radio socialists.

(Of course, I think I'll be working with socialites this season...;-)




Re: csa names

2003-01-25 Thread Allan Balliett
When I started the Westchester County drop off site for Roxbury Farms two
seasons ago, only ONE member in 25 knew what a csa was and was relieved to
know about us. She is the one who has now taken over the drop off site for
the farm, instead of our garage.


Thanks, Jane. Yours is the other way that demand is spread, word of 
mouth, teaching face-to-face. The article brought in people who 
probably read about CSA in PARADE a year back, and several people who 
missed their old CSA from Ann Arbor or Amherst, but our CSA 
deliveries this season brought in many neighbors of last year's 
shareholders. It's the way it happens. I have a woman in Arlington 
right now who is promising me THIRTY new names this season. Her 
husband and she are going DOOR TO DOOR this weekend, trying to get 
their neighbors excited! This is, of course, a core group, but it has 
arisen on its own.



Re: csa names

2003-01-25 Thread Jane Sherry
Maybe you need an economist on your core group team, Leigh.

> From: Leigh Hauter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 12:57:09 -0500
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: csa names
> 
> (I'm sorry, having a
> justice department lawyer on a core group trying to do my planning
> for me is insulting and a waste of my time.  I don't advise him with
> his briefs and anyway, he wouldn't take my advise).




Re: csa names

2003-01-25 Thread Jane Sherry
When I started the Westchester County drop off site for Roxbury Farms two
seasons ago, only ONE member in 25 knew what a csa was and was relieved to
know about us. She is the one who has now taken over the drop off site for
the farm, instead of our garage.

For those who don't know where Westchester is, it is ONLY 40 minutes north
of NYC. May as well be white bread country somewhere in the middle of the
US. (Apologies to all those non white bread folks in the middle there!)

But I do agree, that more and more people are learning what a csa is,
although, as Allan says, it is somewhat divorced from the original economic
impulse. Also, I think it is more direct learning than Morphogenetic fields,
hundredth monkey learning.

You eat good food, you want more.

Blessings,
Jane

> From: Allan Balliett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 12:40:13 -0500
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: csa names
> 
> They didn't say they were lookign for vegetables
> and saw an article about CSA and decided to buy vegetables. all the
> ones I talked to had already internalized some definition of 'CSA'
> and had either been in one or wanted to join one.




Re: csa names

2003-01-25 Thread Leigh Hauter
My concern about CSA is the Community part.  We all agree that 
community (whatever that means) is a major part of what we are 
striving for.  It is just my practical, hands-on experience, that a 
lot of the community that is talked about in the csa literature is 
pie in the sky.  It doesn't work, at least around here, on the 
ground.  We need to be thinking of different ways of creating 
community besides a core group and work shares.  (I'm sorry, having a 
justice department lawyer on a core group trying to do my planning 
for me is insulting and a waste of my time.  I don't advise him with 
his briefs and anyway, he wouldn't take my advise).



Re: csa names

2003-01-25 Thread Allan Balliett
Leigh -

My point is that the people I talked to all said that they had been 
looking for a CSA and were afraid they wouldn't find one for this 
season (last year) They didn't say they were lookign for vegetables 
and saw an article about CSA and decided to buy vegetables. all the 
ones I talked to had already internalized some definition of 'CSA' 
and had either been in one or wanted to join one.

That's my point. I didn't have the article in frong of me, either.

Here's the first paragraph from your webpage:

BULL RUN MOUNTAIN

VEGETABLE FARM


A Community Supported Agriculture (CSA) farm, providing fresh, 
subscription vegetables and flowers grown on our farm without 
chemical pesticides, herbicides or fertilizers. Our vegetables and 
flowers are chemical and gmo free.

I think you sort of cover all the bases there, www.bullrunfarm.com


-Allan



I disagree about that post article (of course I don't have it in 
front of me to quote) but I think the author defined CSA for his 
readers and he defined it as getting fresh vegetables straight from 
the farmer without going to a farmers' market.





Re: csa names

2003-01-25 Thread Leigh Hauter
Allan,

I disagree about that post article (of course I don't have it in 
front of me to quote) but I think the author defined CSA for his 
readers and he defined it as getting fresh vegetables straight from 
the farmer without going to a farmers' market.

I agree, those people that called me from the article didn't mean 
what you mean by CSA.  And without the article to 'define' the term 
for them they wouldn't have had a clue wether CSA meant Confederate 
Soldiers of America or Confectionairy Students Association.

I use the term subscription vegetables because, while I think it is a 
bad term, I always assumed it was more intuitive.  My wife, however 
says that I'm wrong.  She says that only slightly more people 
understand subscription vegetables than understand CSA.  She says we 
still need to find a better term or spend several hundred million on 
an ad campaign educating people about our definitions.



Re: csa names

2003-01-25 Thread Allan Balliett
Woody -

I don't think I've been clear on my 'nobody understands CSA' laments.

Last year when our article ran in the post, we sold 160 shares in two 
days. I talked to a lot of people who called. They were DESPERATE to 
FIND A CSA! CSA **IS** the word that drew them in.

Unfortunately, to most, "CSA" means 'a box of fresh groceries each 
week for the growing season.'

So, what it means is that "CSA"  is a good marketing term if you want 
to sell your crop, even in advance.  What I'm lamenting is that "CSA" 
today is NOT the inspired associative economics that brought you and 
I into this realm.

I'm Fresh and Local CSA this season. That url was available, Fresh 
and Local itself is not, nor is Freshnlocal.

One thing I've run into a lot this past two years is people who are 
interested in lowering standards to appeal to more and more people. I 
guess that's what we call 'marketing,' pulling enough of the grit out 
of a topic to make it appealing to the masses. That's our job as BD 
growers: holding the standard, although it is difficult.

On the social movement known as 'csa,' I have to say that I continue 
to feel that the BDA failed to give the support to this movement that 
it needed in the beginning and it waifed over into the conventional 
organics realm, stripped of most of its community building. I can't 
save CSA by myself. I can grow very healthy vegetables by myself, so, 
that's what I'm going to do: fill the demand known as "CSA" and try 
to stop feeling so sad for the opportunities that have been lost for 
both consumer and grower.

Hence, no need to explain 'CSA' to my customers. They already 'know.'

-Allan



Re: csa names

2003-01-25 Thread Aurora Farm
Allan:

You wrote: "the difficulty with the word "CSA".  Yes and yes again.  On the
one hand, you say, CSA has meaning for the people in the niche you're
appealing to ... on the other hand, the term is difficult.  Consider
dropping it.  Let Fresh and Local become its own raison d'etre.  As you say,
it doesn't sound like a "real" CSA anyway, or you, the farmer, wouldn't be
choosing the name, drawing up the promotional materials, and all the rest;
the core group would be doing it during the winter while you're resting
[imagine that!].  I say, dump the term.  Requires too much explaining.  If
you have to explain, explain "Fresh" and explain "Local" ... the social
technology of getting the food to the people [the CSA concept] becomes more
appealing when we WANT the food for the food's sake.  Fresh and Local
decribes the qualities I want in my food supply...

Woody
Aurora Farm. the only
unsubsidized, family-run seed farm
in North America offering garden seeds
grown using Rudolf Steiner's methods
of spiritual agriculture.  http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora


-Original Message-
From: Allan Balliett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date: Saturday, January 25, 2003 6:19 AM
Subject: Re: csa names


>>sounds like your local supermarket ! (I guess this should read convenience
>>store in Yankese.)
>
>Actually, Gideon, 'local' is what separates it from 'supermarket.'
>
>The phrase is one that has been picked like 'authentic food' as a way
>of indicating that if you buy Fresh (picked this morning) and Local
>(within 100 miles), you've pretty much moved to supporting small,
>value-driven farms.
>
>My gut feeling, though, is similar to your, or I would have embraced this
one.
>
>The blockage here is the difficulty with the word "CSA" Let's face
>it, if this were 'really' CSA, there w.b. a core group pulling this
>together while I keep working on the artichoke and the ginger
>management plans. But, "CSA" has its meaning to people who want fresh
>and locally grown food.
>
>Good to hear from you, my man. I wish you'd find time to write more.
>
>-Allan
>




Re: csa names

2003-01-25 Thread Allan Balliett
sounds like your local supermarket ! (I guess this should read convenience
store in Yankese.)


Actually, Gideon, 'local' is what separates it from 'supermarket.'

The phrase is one that has been picked like 'authentic food' as a way 
of indicating that if you buy Fresh (picked this morning) and Local 
(within 100 miles), you've pretty much moved to supporting small, 
value-driven farms.

My gut feeling, though, is similar to your, or I would have embraced this one.

The blockage here is the difficulty with the word "CSA" Let's face 
it, if this were 'really' CSA, there w.b. a core group pulling this 
together while I keep working on the artichoke and the ginger 
management plans. But, "CSA" has its meaning to people who want fresh 
and locally grown food.

Good to hear from you, my man. I wish you'd find time to write more.

-Allan



Re: csa names

2003-01-25 Thread gideon cowen
sounds like your local supermarket ! (I guess this should read convenience
store in Yankese.)
Gideon.
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Subject: Re: csa names


> >Vital Vittles
> >Nurtu-R-Us
> >Working Share
> >Caring Shares
> >Sharing-Crops
>
> Thanks, Manfred!! I like your stick-to-it-ness!!!
>
>
> I'm back to 'fresh and local CSA' which is freshandlocalcsa.com
>
> Did this name not work for you folks?
>
> -Allan
>




Re: csa names

2003-01-24 Thread Allan Balliett
Vital Vittles
Nurtu-R-Us
Working Share
Caring Shares
Sharing-Crops


Thanks, Manfred!! I like your stick-to-it-ness!!!


I'm back to 'fresh and local CSA' which is freshandlocalcsa.com

Did this name not work for you folks?

-Allan




csa names

2003-01-24 Thread manfred
Vital Vittles
Nurtu-R-Us
Working Share
Caring Shares
Sharing-Crops




Re: CSA Names

2003-01-23 Thread Deborah Byron
shit to shinola

sorry, its getting late.

manfred wrote:
> 
> Wealth o' Health
> Human Salivations
> Salivations!




CSA Names

2003-01-23 Thread manfred
Wealth o' Health
Human Salivations
Salivations!




RE: CSA names

2003-01-06 Thread Rex Tyler
Allan or anyone please give me some of the best bd sites I want to link them
up with mine

rex tyler

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Martha - The USDA operates a CSA database that can be accessed at
their page, at the BDA's page and at the Robyn Van En pages, to name
just a few of the portals. that's the place to look for CSAs. I don't
know if it would make me happier if they added a 'subscription
farming' section.  -Allan






Re: CSA names

2003-01-05 Thread Allan Balliett
Martha - The USDA operates a CSA database that can be accessed at 
their page, at the BDA's page and at the Robyn Van En pages, to name 
just a few of the portals. that's the place to look for CSAs. I don't 
know if it would make me happier if they added a 'subscription 
farming' section.  -Allan



CSA names

2003-01-05 Thread flylo
When I ran a Google search on CSA in Texas, I got one only. (And 
I know the person running it, and I wouldn't trust her as far as I 
could heave her.) But, instead they're calling it subscription farms. 
I'd think even contract farming would have a good ring, nicer than 
'subscribers'. 
Especially since some (like yourself, Allan) will grow a good deal of 
what the client wants on their table. Asking the members what 
they want to see harvested seems like a good idea.