[beagleboard] When to power sensors connected to the BeagleBone Black?

2014-03-06 Thread Matthew Witherwax
As part of the Control of Mobile Robotics class offered through Cousera, 
the students are building robots based around the BeagleBone Black.  The 
robot has 5 infrared distance sensors and 2 reflectance sensors used for 
odometry.  These sensors are connected via voltage dividers to pins 33, 35, 
36, 37, 38, 39, and 49 of P9, and are powered from the same power supply 
used to power the BeagleBone Black.  The System Manual has a rather 
explicit warning:

NOTE: DO NOT APPLY VOLTAGE TO ANY I/O PIN WHEN POWER IS NOT SUPPLIED TO THE 
BOARD. IT WILL DAMAGE THE PROCESSOR AND VOID THE WARRANTY.
NO PINS ARE TO BE DRIVEN UNTIL AFTER THE SYS_RESET LINE GOES HIGH.

My concern is the current arrangement would allow the sensors to begin 
driving the pins before the SYS_RESET line goes high; however, I am a 
software guy just starting down the hardware path.  Thus far many in the 
class have been using the robot without issue.  Is my concern invalid?

Thank you for your time.

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Re: [beagleboard] When to power sensors connected to the BeagleBone Black?

2014-03-06 Thread Gerald Coley
I put that in there for a reason. It may not happen all the time, but
eventually you could blow up the processor.

Gerald


On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Matthew Witherwax wrote:

> As part of the Control of Mobile Robotics class offered through Cousera,
> the students are building robots based around the BeagleBone Black.  The
> robot has 5 infrared distance sensors and 2 reflectance sensors used for
> odometry.  These sensors are connected via voltage dividers to pins 33, 35,
> 36, 37, 38, 39, and 49 of P9, and are powered from the same power supply
> used to power the BeagleBone Black.  The System Manual has a rather
> explicit warning:
>
> NOTE: DO NOT APPLY VOLTAGE TO ANY I/O PIN WHEN POWER IS NOT SUPPLIED TO
> THE BOARD. IT WILL DAMAGE THE PROCESSOR AND VOID THE WARRANTY.
> NO PINS ARE TO BE DRIVEN UNTIL AFTER THE SYS_RESET LINE GOES HIGH.
>
> My concern is the current arrangement would allow the sensors to begin
> driving the pins before the SYS_RESET line goes high; however, I am a
> software guy just starting down the hardware path.  Thus far many in the
> class have been using the robot without issue.  Is my concern invalid?
>
> Thank you for your time.
>
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Re: [beagleboard] When to power sensors connected to the BeagleBone Black?

2014-03-06 Thread Eric Palmer
If everything is driven form the same power source, even with voltage
dividers or regulators, can we assume that turning on all devices at the
same time, with one power switch, is safe or do we need to somehow put a
delay into powering on everything but the BBB board?

Eric


On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 9:58 AM, Gerald Coley  wrote:

> I put that in there for a reason. It may not happen all the time, but
> eventually you could blow up the processor.
>
> Gerald
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Matthew Witherwax wrote:
>
>> As part of the Control of Mobile Robotics class offered through Cousera,
>> the students are building robots based around the BeagleBone Black.  The
>> robot has 5 infrared distance sensors and 2 reflectance sensors used for
>> odometry.  These sensors are connected via voltage dividers to pins 33, 35,
>> 36, 37, 38, 39, and 49 of P9, and are powered from the same power supply
>> used to power the BeagleBone Black.  The System Manual has a rather
>> explicit warning:
>>
>> NOTE: DO NOT APPLY VOLTAGE TO ANY I/O PIN WHEN POWER IS NOT SUPPLIED TO
>> THE BOARD. IT WILL DAMAGE THE PROCESSOR AND VOID THE WARRANTY.
>> NO PINS ARE TO BE DRIVEN UNTIL AFTER THE SYS_RESET LINE GOES HIGH.
>>
>> My concern is the current arrangement would allow the sensors to begin
>> driving the pins before the SYS_RESET line goes high; however, I am a
>> software guy just starting down the hardware path.  Thus far many in the
>> class have been using the robot without issue.  Is my concern invalid?
>>
>> Thank you for your time.
>>
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Re: [beagleboard] When to power sensors connected to the BeagleBone Black?

2014-03-06 Thread Matthew Witherwax
Thanks Gerald.  That is exactly the response I was expecting and exactly
the feeling I had.  Never really like playing Russian roulette myself.  Do
you see any issue with powering the sensors via a voltage regulator like
http://www.pololu.com/product/2098 that can be turned on via a pin on the
BBB once it is up and running?


On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 8:58 AM, Gerald Coley  wrote:

> I put that in there for a reason. It may not happen all the time, but
> eventually you could blow up the processor.
>
> Gerald
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Matthew Witherwax wrote:
>
>> As part of the Control of Mobile Robotics class offered through Cousera,
>> the students are building robots based around the BeagleBone Black.  The
>> robot has 5 infrared distance sensors and 2 reflectance sensors used for
>> odometry.  These sensors are connected via voltage dividers to pins 33, 35,
>> 36, 37, 38, 39, and 49 of P9, and are powered from the same power supply
>> used to power the BeagleBone Black.  The System Manual has a rather
>> explicit warning:
>>
>> NOTE: DO NOT APPLY VOLTAGE TO ANY I/O PIN WHEN POWER IS NOT SUPPLIED TO
>> THE BOARD. IT WILL DAMAGE THE PROCESSOR AND VOID THE WARRANTY.
>> NO PINS ARE TO BE DRIVEN UNTIL AFTER THE SYS_RESET LINE GOES HIGH.
>>
>> My concern is the current arrangement would allow the sensors to begin
>> driving the pins before the SYS_RESET line goes high; however, I am a
>> software guy just starting down the hardware path.  Thus far many in the
>> class have been using the robot without issue.  Is my concern invalid?
>>
>> Thank you for your time.
>>
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Re: [beagleboard] When to power sensors connected to the BeagleBone Black?

2014-03-06 Thread Gerald Coley
Yes you can do that  Use the 3.3V to enable the regulators.

Gerald



On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Matthew Witherwax wrote:

> Thanks Gerald.  That is exactly the response I was expecting and exactly
> the feeling I had.  Never really like playing Russian roulette myself.  Do
> you see any issue with powering the sensors via a voltage regulator like
> http://www.pololu.com/product/2098 that can be turned on via a pin on the
> BBB once it is up and running?
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 8:58 AM, Gerald Coley wrote:
>
>> I put that in there for a reason. It may not happen all the time, but
>> eventually you could blow up the processor.
>>
>> Gerald
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Matthew Witherwax wrote:
>>
>>>  As part of the Control of Mobile Robotics class offered through
>>> Cousera, the students are building robots based around the BeagleBone
>>> Black.  The robot has 5 infrared distance sensors and 2 reflectance sensors
>>> used for odometry.  These sensors are connected via voltage dividers to
>>> pins 33, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, and 49 of P9, and are powered from the same
>>> power supply used to power the BeagleBone Black.  The System Manual has a
>>> rather explicit warning:
>>>
>>> NOTE: DO NOT APPLY VOLTAGE TO ANY I/O PIN WHEN POWER IS NOT SUPPLIED TO
>>> THE BOARD. IT WILL DAMAGE THE PROCESSOR AND VOID THE WARRANTY.
>>> NO PINS ARE TO BE DRIVEN UNTIL AFTER THE SYS_RESET LINE GOES HIGH.
>>>
>>> My concern is the current arrangement would allow the sensors to begin
>>> driving the pins before the SYS_RESET line goes high; however, I am a
>>> software guy just starting down the hardware path.  Thus far many in the
>>> class have been using the robot without issue.  Is my concern invalid?
>>>
>>> Thank you for your time.
>>>
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Re: [beagleboard] When to power sensors connected to the BeagleBone Black?

2014-03-06 Thread Matthew Witherwax
The way I read the manual and understand Gerald is that it isn't safe any
more than it is safe to play Russian roulette because you don't always get
shot.  As Gerald said, you just might get lucky and not blow anything...
until you do.


On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Eric Palmer  wrote:

> If everything is driven form the same power source, even with voltage
> dividers or regulators, can we assume that turning on all devices at the
> same time, with one power switch, is safe or do we need to somehow put a
> delay into powering on everything but the BBB board?
>
> Eric
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 9:58 AM, Gerald Coley wrote:
>
>> I put that in there for a reason. It may not happen all the time, but
>> eventually you could blow up the processor.
>>
>> Gerald
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Matthew Witherwax wrote:
>>
>>> As part of the Control of Mobile Robotics class offered through Cousera,
>>> the students are building robots based around the BeagleBone Black.  The
>>> robot has 5 infrared distance sensors and 2 reflectance sensors used for
>>> odometry.  These sensors are connected via voltage dividers to pins 33, 35,
>>> 36, 37, 38, 39, and 49 of P9, and are powered from the same power supply
>>> used to power the BeagleBone Black.  The System Manual has a rather
>>> explicit warning:
>>>
>>> NOTE: DO NOT APPLY VOLTAGE TO ANY I/O PIN WHEN POWER IS NOT SUPPLIED TO
>>> THE BOARD. IT WILL DAMAGE THE PROCESSOR AND VOID THE WARRANTY.
>>> NO PINS ARE TO BE DRIVEN UNTIL AFTER THE SYS_RESET LINE GOES HIGH.
>>>
>>> My concern is the current arrangement would allow the sensors to begin
>>> driving the pins before the SYS_RESET line goes high; however, I am a
>>> software guy just starting down the hardware path.  Thus far many in the
>>> class have been using the robot without issue.  Is my concern invalid?
>>>
>>> Thank you for your time.
>>>
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Re: [beagleboard] When to power sensors connected to the BeagleBone Black?

2014-03-06 Thread Matthew Witherwax
Thanks for all you do Gerald.


On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 9:09 AM, Gerald Coley  wrote:

> Yes you can do that  Use the 3.3V to enable the regulators.
>
> Gerald
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Matthew Witherwax wrote:
>
>> Thanks Gerald.  That is exactly the response I was expecting and exactly
>> the feeling I had.  Never really like playing Russian roulette myself.  Do
>> you see any issue with powering the sensors via a voltage regulator like
>> http://www.pololu.com/product/2098 that can be turned on via a pin on
>> the BBB once it is up and running?
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 8:58 AM, Gerald Coley wrote:
>>
>>> I put that in there for a reason. It may not happen all the time, but
>>> eventually you could blow up the processor.
>>>
>>> Gerald
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Matthew Witherwax wrote:
>>>
  As part of the Control of Mobile Robotics class offered through
 Cousera, the students are building robots based around the BeagleBone
 Black.  The robot has 5 infrared distance sensors and 2 reflectance sensors
 used for odometry.  These sensors are connected via voltage dividers to
 pins 33, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, and 49 of P9, and are powered from the same
 power supply used to power the BeagleBone Black.  The System Manual has a
 rather explicit warning:

 NOTE: DO NOT APPLY VOLTAGE TO ANY I/O PIN WHEN POWER IS NOT SUPPLIED TO
 THE BOARD. IT WILL DAMAGE THE PROCESSOR AND VOID THE WARRANTY.
 NO PINS ARE TO BE DRIVEN UNTIL AFTER THE SYS_RESET LINE GOES HIGH.

 My concern is the current arrangement would allow the sensors to begin
 driving the pins before the SYS_RESET line goes high; however, I am a
 software guy just starting down the hardware path.  Thus far many in the
 class have been using the robot without issue.  Is my concern invalid?

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Re: [beagleboard] When to power sensors connected to the BeagleBone Black?

2014-03-06 Thread Eric Palmer
Awesome

Gerald we are lucky to have you on this mail list and be participating so
much.

Thanks


On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 10:09 AM, Gerald Coley wrote:

> Yes you can do that  Use the 3.3V to enable the regulators.
>
> Gerald
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Matthew Witherwax wrote:
>
>> Thanks Gerald.  That is exactly the response I was expecting and exactly
>> the feeling I had.  Never really like playing Russian roulette myself.  Do
>> you see any issue with powering the sensors via a voltage regulator like
>> http://www.pololu.com/product/2098 that can be turned on via a pin on
>> the BBB once it is up and running?
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 8:58 AM, Gerald Coley wrote:
>>
>>> I put that in there for a reason. It may not happen all the time, but
>>> eventually you could blow up the processor.
>>>
>>> Gerald
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Matthew Witherwax wrote:
>>>
  As part of the Control of Mobile Robotics class offered through
 Cousera, the students are building robots based around the BeagleBone
 Black.  The robot has 5 infrared distance sensors and 2 reflectance sensors
 used for odometry.  These sensors are connected via voltage dividers to
 pins 33, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, and 49 of P9, and are powered from the same
 power supply used to power the BeagleBone Black.  The System Manual has a
 rather explicit warning:

 NOTE: DO NOT APPLY VOLTAGE TO ANY I/O PIN WHEN POWER IS NOT SUPPLIED TO
 THE BOARD. IT WILL DAMAGE THE PROCESSOR AND VOID THE WARRANTY.
 NO PINS ARE TO BE DRIVEN UNTIL AFTER THE SYS_RESET LINE GOES HIGH.

 My concern is the current arrangement would allow the sensors to begin
 driving the pins before the SYS_RESET line goes high; however, I am a
 software guy just starting down the hardware path.  Thus far many in the
 class have been using the robot without issue.  Is my concern invalid?

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Re: [beagleboard] When to power sensors connected to the BeagleBone Black?

2014-03-06 Thread Gerald Coley
I am not sure how to take that!Not sure if it is luck or something else.

Gerald



On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Eric Palmer  wrote:

> Awesome
>
> Gerald we are lucky to have you on this mail list and be participating so
> much.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 10:09 AM, Gerald Coley wrote:
>
>> Yes you can do that  Use the 3.3V to enable the regulators.
>>
>> Gerald
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Matthew Witherwax wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Gerald.  That is exactly the response I was expecting and exactly
>>> the feeling I had.  Never really like playing Russian roulette myself.  Do
>>> you see any issue with powering the sensors via a voltage regulator like
>>> http://www.pololu.com/product/2098 that can be turned on via a pin on
>>> the BBB once it is up and running?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 8:58 AM, Gerald Coley wrote:
>>>
 I put that in there for a reason. It may not happen all the time, but
 eventually you could blow up the processor.

 Gerald


 On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Matthew Witherwax 
 wrote:

>  As part of the Control of Mobile Robotics class offered through
> Cousera, the students are building robots based around the BeagleBone
> Black.  The robot has 5 infrared distance sensors and 2 reflectance 
> sensors
> used for odometry.  These sensors are connected via voltage dividers to
> pins 33, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, and 49 of P9, and are powered from the same
> power supply used to power the BeagleBone Black.  The System Manual has a
> rather explicit warning:
>
> NOTE: DO NOT APPLY VOLTAGE TO ANY I/O PIN WHEN POWER IS NOT SUPPLIED
> TO THE BOARD. IT WILL DAMAGE THE PROCESSOR AND VOID THE WARRANTY.
> NO PINS ARE TO BE DRIVEN UNTIL AFTER THE SYS_RESET LINE GOES HIGH.
>
> My concern is the current arrangement would allow the sensors to begin
> driving the pins before the SYS_RESET line goes high; however, I am a
> software guy just starting down the hardware path.  Thus far many in the
> class have been using the robot without issue.  Is my concern invalid?
>
> Thank you for your time.
>
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Re: [beagleboard] When to power sensors connected to the BeagleBone Black?

2014-03-06 Thread Matthew Witherwax
:) Attempts at humor on only one cup of coffee might not be so funny!


On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 9:14 AM, Gerald Coley  wrote:

> I am not sure how to take that!Not sure if it is luck or something else.
>
> Gerald
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Eric Palmer  wrote:
>
>> Awesome
>>
>> Gerald we are lucky to have you on this mail list and be participating so
>> much.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 10:09 AM, Gerald Coley wrote:
>>
>>> Yes you can do that  Use the 3.3V to enable the regulators.
>>>
>>> Gerald
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Matthew Witherwax wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Gerald.  That is exactly the response I was expecting and
 exactly the feeling I had.  Never really like playing Russian roulette
 myself.  Do you see any issue with powering the sensors via a voltage
 regulator like http://www.pololu.com/product/2098 that can be turned
 on via a pin on the BBB once it is up and running?


 On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 8:58 AM, Gerald Coley wrote:

> I put that in there for a reason. It may not happen all the time, but
> eventually you could blow up the processor.
>
> Gerald
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Matthew Witherwax 
> wrote:
>
>>  As part of the Control of Mobile Robotics class offered through
>> Cousera, the students are building robots based around the BeagleBone
>> Black.  The robot has 5 infrared distance sensors and 2 reflectance 
>> sensors
>> used for odometry.  These sensors are connected via voltage dividers to
>> pins 33, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, and 49 of P9, and are powered from the same
>> power supply used to power the BeagleBone Black.  The System Manual has a
>> rather explicit warning:
>>
>> NOTE: DO NOT APPLY VOLTAGE TO ANY I/O PIN WHEN POWER IS NOT SUPPLIED
>> TO THE BOARD. IT WILL DAMAGE THE PROCESSOR AND VOID THE WARRANTY.
>> NO PINS ARE TO BE DRIVEN UNTIL AFTER THE SYS_RESET LINE GOES HIGH.
>>
>> My concern is the current arrangement would allow the sensors to
>> begin driving the pins before the SYS_RESET line goes high; however, I 
>> am a
>> software guy just starting down the hardware path.  Thus far many in the
>> class have been using the robot without issue.  Is my concern invalid?
>>
>> Thank you for your time.
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Re: [beagleboard] When to power sensors connected to the BeagleBone Black?

2014-03-06 Thread Eric Palmer
Yes I get that.


On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Gerald Coley wrote:

> I am not sure how to take that!Not sure if it is luck or something else.
>
> Gerald
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Eric Palmer  wrote:
>
>> Awesome
>>
>> Gerald we are lucky to have you on this mail list and be participating so
>> much.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 10:09 AM, Gerald Coley wrote:
>>
>>> Yes you can do that  Use the 3.3V to enable the regulators.
>>>
>>> Gerald
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Matthew Witherwax wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Gerald.  That is exactly the response I was expecting and
 exactly the feeling I had.  Never really like playing Russian roulette
 myself.  Do you see any issue with powering the sensors via a voltage
 regulator like http://www.pololu.com/product/2098 that can be turned
 on via a pin on the BBB once it is up and running?


 On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 8:58 AM, Gerald Coley wrote:

> I put that in there for a reason. It may not happen all the time, but
> eventually you could blow up the processor.
>
> Gerald
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Matthew Witherwax 
> wrote:
>
>>  As part of the Control of Mobile Robotics class offered through
>> Cousera, the students are building robots based around the BeagleBone
>> Black.  The robot has 5 infrared distance sensors and 2 reflectance 
>> sensors
>> used for odometry.  These sensors are connected via voltage dividers to
>> pins 33, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, and 49 of P9, and are powered from the same
>> power supply used to power the BeagleBone Black.  The System Manual has a
>> rather explicit warning:
>>
>> NOTE: DO NOT APPLY VOLTAGE TO ANY I/O PIN WHEN POWER IS NOT SUPPLIED
>> TO THE BOARD. IT WILL DAMAGE THE PROCESSOR AND VOID THE WARRANTY.
>> NO PINS ARE TO BE DRIVEN UNTIL AFTER THE SYS_RESET LINE GOES HIGH.
>>
>> My concern is the current arrangement would allow the sensors to
>> begin driving the pins before the SYS_RESET line goes high; however, I 
>> am a
>> software guy just starting down the hardware path.  Thus far many in the
>> class have been using the robot without issue.  Is my concern invalid?
>>
>> Thank you for your time.
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Re: [beagleboard] When to power sensors connected to the BeagleBone Black?

2014-03-06 Thread Gerald Coley
That is my secret. I don't need coffee! The inside story is that I am
always here. I have no life!

Gerald



On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Eric Palmer  wrote:

> Yes I get that.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Gerald Coley wrote:
>
>> I am not sure how to take that!Not sure if it is luck or something else.
>>
>> Gerald
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Eric Palmer  wrote:
>>
>>> Awesome
>>>
>>> Gerald we are lucky to have you on this mail list and be participating
>>> so much.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 10:09 AM, Gerald Coley wrote:
>>>
 Yes you can do that  Use the 3.3V to enable the regulators.

 Gerald



 On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Matthew Witherwax 
 wrote:

> Thanks Gerald.  That is exactly the response I was expecting and
> exactly the feeling I had.  Never really like playing Russian roulette
> myself.  Do you see any issue with powering the sensors via a voltage
> regulator like http://www.pololu.com/product/2098 that can be turned
> on via a pin on the BBB once it is up and running?
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 8:58 AM, Gerald Coley 
> wrote:
>
>> I put that in there for a reason. It may not happen all the time, but
>> eventually you could blow up the processor.
>>
>> Gerald
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Matthew Witherwax > > wrote:
>>
>>>  As part of the Control of Mobile Robotics class offered through
>>> Cousera, the students are building robots based around the BeagleBone
>>> Black.  The robot has 5 infrared distance sensors and 2 reflectance 
>>> sensors
>>> used for odometry.  These sensors are connected via voltage dividers to
>>> pins 33, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, and 49 of P9, and are powered from the same
>>> power supply used to power the BeagleBone Black.  The System Manual has 
>>> a
>>> rather explicit warning:
>>>
>>> NOTE: DO NOT APPLY VOLTAGE TO ANY I/O PIN WHEN POWER IS NOT SUPPLIED
>>> TO THE BOARD. IT WILL DAMAGE THE PROCESSOR AND VOID THE WARRANTY.
>>> NO PINS ARE TO BE DRIVEN UNTIL AFTER THE SYS_RESET LINE GOES HIGH.
>>>
>>> My concern is the current arrangement would allow the sensors to
>>> begin driving the pins before the SYS_RESET line goes high; however, I 
>>> am a
>>> software guy just starting down the hardware path.  Thus far many in the
>>> class have been using the robot without issue.  Is my concern invalid?
>>>
>>> Thank you for your time.
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Re: [beagleboard] When to power sensors connected to the BeagleBone Black?

2014-03-06 Thread Matthew Witherwax
Next time you are in Houston, coffee is on me!

On Thursday, March 6, 2014 9:28:06 AM UTC-6, Gerald wrote:
>
> That is my secret. I don't need coffee! The inside story is that I am 
> always here. I have no life!
>
> Gerald
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Eric Palmer 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> Yes I get that.  
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Gerald Coley 
>> 
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I am not sure how to take that!Not sure if it is luck or something else.
>>>
>>> Gerald
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Eric Palmer 
>>> 
>>> > wrote:
>>>
 Awesome

 Gerald we are lucky to have you on this mail list and be participating 
 so much.

 Thanks


 On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 10:09 AM, Gerald Coley 
 
 > wrote:

> Yes you can do that  Use the 3.3V to enable the regulators.
>
> Gerald
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Matthew Witherwax 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> Thanks Gerald.  That is exactly the response I was expecting and 
>> exactly the feeling I had.  Never really like playing Russian roulette 
>> myself.  Do you see any issue with powering the sensors via a voltage 
>> regulator like http://www.pololu.com/product/2098 that can be turned 
>> on via a pin on the BBB once it is up and running?
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 8:58 AM, Gerald Coley 
>> 
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I put that in there for a reason. It may not happen all the time, 
>>> but eventually you could blow up the processor.
>>>
>>> Gerald
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Matthew Witherwax 
>>> 
>>> > wrote:
>>>
  As part of the Control of Mobile Robotics class offered through 
 Cousera, the students are building robots based around the BeagleBone 
 Black.  The robot has 5 infrared distance sensors and 2 reflectance 
 sensors 
 used for odometry.  These sensors are connected via voltage dividers 
 to 
 pins 33, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, and 49 of P9, and are powered from the 
 same 
 power supply used to power the BeagleBone Black.  The System Manual 
 has a 
 rather explicit warning:

 NOTE: DO NOT APPLY VOLTAGE TO ANY I/O PIN WHEN POWER IS NOT 
 SUPPLIED TO THE BOARD. IT WILL DAMAGE THE PROCESSOR AND VOID THE 
 WARRANTY.
 NO PINS ARE TO BE DRIVEN UNTIL AFTER THE SYS_RESET LINE GOES HIGH.

 My concern is the current arrangement would allow the sensors to 
 begin driving the pins before the SYS_RESET line goes high; however, I 
 am a 
 software guy just starting down the hardware path.  Thus far many in 
 the 
 class have been using the robot without issue.  Is my concern invalid?

 Thank you for your time.

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Re: [beagleboard] When to power sensors connected to the BeagleBone Black?

2014-03-06 Thread Gerald Coley
Houston! Us folks in this part of the state try to stay away from Houston!

Actually I have spent a lot of time over the years in Houston. Been to a
few Astros games as well.


Gerald



On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 9:55 AM, Matthew Witherwax wrote:

> Next time you are in Houston, coffee is on me!
>
>
> On Thursday, March 6, 2014 9:28:06 AM UTC-6, Gerald wrote:
>
>> That is my secret. I don't need coffee! The inside story is that I am
>> always here. I have no life!
>>
>> Gerald
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Eric Palmer wrote:
>>
>>> Yes I get that.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Gerald Coley wrote:
>>>
 I am not sure how to take that!Not sure if it is luck or something else.

 Gerald



 On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Eric Palmer wrote:

> Awesome
>
> Gerald we are lucky to have you on this mail list and be participating
> so much.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 10:09 AM, Gerald Coley 
> wrote:
>
>> Yes you can do that  Use the 3.3V to enable the regulators.
>>
>> Gerald
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Matthew Witherwax 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Gerald.  That is exactly the response I was expecting and
>>> exactly the feeling I had.  Never really like playing Russian roulette
>>> myself.  Do you see any issue with powering the sensors via a voltage
>>> regulator like http://www.pololu.com/product/2098 that can be
>>> turned on via a pin on the BBB once it is up and running?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 8:58 AM, Gerald Coley >> > wrote:
>>>
 I put that in there for a reason. It may not happen all the time,
 but eventually you could blow up the processor.

 Gerald


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 able...@gmail.com> wrote:

>  As part of the Control of Mobile Robotics class offered through
> Cousera, the students are building robots based around the BeagleBone
> Black.  The robot has 5 infrared distance sensors and 2 reflectance 
> sensors
> used for odometry.  These sensors are connected via voltage dividers 
> to
> pins 33, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, and 49 of P9, and are powered from the 
> same
> power supply used to power the BeagleBone Black.  The System Manual 
> has a
> rather explicit warning:
>
> NOTE: DO NOT APPLY VOLTAGE TO ANY I/O PIN WHEN POWER IS NOT
> SUPPLIED TO THE BOARD. IT WILL DAMAGE THE PROCESSOR AND VOID THE 
> WARRANTY.
> NO PINS ARE TO BE DRIVEN UNTIL AFTER THE SYS_RESET LINE GOES HIGH.
>
> My concern is the current arrangement would allow the sensors to
> begin driving the pins before the SYS_RESET line goes high; however, 
> I am a
> software guy just starting down the hardware path.  Thus far many in 
> the
> class have been using the robot without issue.  Is my concern invalid?
>
> Thank you for your time.
>
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Re: [beagleboard] When to power sensors connected to the BeagleBone Black?

2014-03-06 Thread Matthew Witherwax
I sure hope that was years ago when they actually won a game or two.  We 
have other attractions.  We even almost have NASA.

On Thursday, March 6, 2014 9:57:57 AM UTC-6, Gerald wrote:
>
> Houston! Us folks in this part of the state try to stay away from Houston!
>
> Actually I have spent a lot of time over the years in Houston. Been to a 
> few Astros games as well. 
>
>
> Gerald
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 9:55 AM, Matthew Witherwax 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> Next time you are in Houston, coffee is on me!
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, March 6, 2014 9:28:06 AM UTC-6, Gerald wrote:
>>
>>> That is my secret. I don't need coffee! The inside story is that I am 
>>> always here. I have no life!
>>>
>>> Gerald
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Eric Palmer wrote:
>>>
 Yes I get that.  


 On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Gerald Coley 
 wrote:

> I am not sure how to take that!Not sure if it is luck 
> or something else.
>
> Gerald
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Eric Palmer wrote:
>
>> Awesome
>>
>> Gerald we are lucky to have you on this mail list and be 
>> participating so much.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 10:09 AM, Gerald Coley > > wrote:
>>
>>>  Yes you can do that  Use the 3.3V to enable the regulators.
>>>
>>> Gerald
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Matthew Witherwax >> > wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Gerald.  That is exactly the response I was expecting and 
 exactly the feeling I had.  Never really like playing Russian roulette 
 myself.  Do you see any issue with powering the sensors via a voltage 
 regulator like http://www.pololu.com/product/2098 that can be 
 turned on via a pin on the BBB once it is up and running?


 On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 8:58 AM, Gerald Coley <
 ger...@beagleboard.org> wrote:

> I put that in there for a reason. It may not happen all the time, 
> but eventually you could blow up the processor.
>
> Gerald
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Matthew Witherwax <
> able...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>  As part of the Control of Mobile Robotics class offered through 
>> Cousera, the students are building robots based around the 
>> BeagleBone 
>> Black.  The robot has 5 infrared distance sensors and 2 reflectance 
>> sensors 
>> used for odometry.  These sensors are connected via voltage dividers 
>> to 
>> pins 33, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, and 49 of P9, and are powered from the 
>> same 
>> power supply used to power the BeagleBone Black.  The System Manual 
>> has a 
>> rather explicit warning:
>>
>> NOTE: DO NOT APPLY VOLTAGE TO ANY I/O PIN WHEN POWER IS NOT 
>> SUPPLIED TO THE BOARD. IT WILL DAMAGE THE PROCESSOR AND VOID THE 
>> WARRANTY.
>> NO PINS ARE TO BE DRIVEN UNTIL AFTER THE SYS_RESET LINE GOES HIGH.
>>
>> My concern is the current arrangement would allow the sensors to 
>> begin driving the pins before the SYS_RESET line goes high; however, 
>> I am a 
>> software guy just starting down the hardware path.  Thus far many in 
>> the 
>> class have been using the robot without issue.  Is my concern 
>> invalid?
>>
>> Thank you for your time.
>>
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Re: [beagleboard] When to power sensors connected to the BeagleBone Black?

2014-03-06 Thread Gerald Coley
But now you have Nolan Ryan.


On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 10:36 AM, Matthew Witherwax wrote:

> I sure hope that was years ago when they actually won a game or two.  We
> have other attractions.  We even almost have NASA.
>
>
> On Thursday, March 6, 2014 9:57:57 AM UTC-6, Gerald wrote:
>
>> Houston! Us folks in this part of the state try to stay away from Houston!
>>
>> Actually I have spent a lot of time over the years in Houston. Been to a
>> few Astros games as well.
>>
>>
>> Gerald
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 9:55 AM, Matthew Witherwax wrote:
>>
>>> Next time you are in Houston, coffee is on me!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 6, 2014 9:28:06 AM UTC-6, Gerald wrote:
>>>
 That is my secret. I don't need coffee! The inside story is that I am
 always here. I have no life!

 Gerald



 On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Eric Palmer wrote:

> Yes I get that.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Gerald Coley 
> wrote:
>
>> I am not sure how to take that!Not sure if it is luck
>> or something else.
>>
>> Gerald
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Eric Palmer wrote:
>>
>>> Awesome
>>>
>>> Gerald we are lucky to have you on this mail list and be
>>> participating so much.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 10:09 AM, Gerald Coley <
>>> ger...@beagleboard.org> wrote:
>>>
  Yes you can do that  Use the 3.3V to enable the regulators.

 Gerald



 On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Matthew Witherwax <
 able...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Gerald.  That is exactly the response I was expecting and
> exactly the feeling I had.  Never really like playing Russian roulette
> myself.  Do you see any issue with powering the sensors via a voltage
> regulator like http://www.pololu.com/product/2098 that can be
> turned on via a pin on the BBB once it is up and running?
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 8:58 AM, Gerald Coley <
> ger...@beagleboard.org> wrote:
>
>> I put that in there for a reason. It may not happen all the time,
>> but eventually you could blow up the processor.
>>
>> Gerald
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Matthew Witherwax <
>> able...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  As part of the Control of Mobile Robotics class offered
>>> through Cousera, the students are building robots based around the
>>> BeagleBone Black.  The robot has 5 infrared distance sensors and 2
>>> reflectance sensors used for odometry.  These sensors are connected 
>>> via
>>> voltage dividers to pins 33, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, and 49 of P9, and 
>>> are
>>> powered from the same power supply used to power the BeagleBone 
>>> Black.  The
>>> System Manual has a rather explicit warning:
>>>
>>> NOTE: DO NOT APPLY VOLTAGE TO ANY I/O PIN WHEN POWER IS NOT
>>> SUPPLIED TO THE BOARD. IT WILL DAMAGE THE PROCESSOR AND VOID THE 
>>> WARRANTY.
>>> NO PINS ARE TO BE DRIVEN UNTIL AFTER THE SYS_RESET LINE GOES
>>> HIGH.
>>>
>>> My concern is the current arrangement would allow the sensors to
>>> begin driving the pins before the SYS_RESET line goes high; 
>>> however, I am a
>>> software guy just starting down the hardware path.  Thus far many 
>>> in the
>>> class have been using the robot without issue.  Is my concern 
>>> invalid?
>>>
>>> Thank you for your time.
>>>
>>> --
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Re: [beagleboard] When to power sensors connected to the BeagleBone Black?

2014-03-06 Thread Brad Hopper
Maybe you can still go to the Astrodome - the eighth wonder of the world!

On Thursday, March 6, 2014 10:57:57 AM UTC-5, Gerald wrote:
>
> Houston! Us folks in this part of the state try to stay away from Houston!
>
> Actually I have spent a lot of time over the years in Houston. Been to a 
> few Astros games as well. 
>
>
> Gerald
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 9:55 AM, Matthew Witherwax 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> Next time you are in Houston, coffee is on me!
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, March 6, 2014 9:28:06 AM UTC-6, Gerald wrote:
>>
>>> That is my secret. I don't need coffee! The inside story is that I am 
>>> always here. I have no life!
>>>
>>> Gerald
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Eric Palmer wrote:
>>>
 Yes I get that.  


 On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Gerald Coley 
 wrote:

> I am not sure how to take that!Not sure if it is luck 
> or something else.
>
> Gerald
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Eric Palmer wrote:
>
>> Awesome
>>
>> Gerald we are lucky to have you on this mail list and be 
>> participating so much.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 10:09 AM, Gerald Coley > > wrote:
>>
>>>  Yes you can do that  Use the 3.3V to enable the regulators.
>>>
>>> Gerald
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Matthew Witherwax >> > wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Gerald.  That is exactly the response I was expecting and 
 exactly the feeling I had.  Never really like playing Russian roulette 
 myself.  Do you see any issue with powering the sensors via a voltage 
 regulator like http://www.pololu.com/product/2098 that can be 
 turned on via a pin on the BBB once it is up and running?


 On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 8:58 AM, Gerald Coley <
 ger...@beagleboard.org> wrote:

> I put that in there for a reason. It may not happen all the time, 
> but eventually you could blow up the processor.
>
> Gerald
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Matthew Witherwax <
> able...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>  As part of the Control of Mobile Robotics class offered through 
>> Cousera, the students are building robots based around the 
>> BeagleBone 
>> Black.  The robot has 5 infrared distance sensors and 2 reflectance 
>> sensors 
>> used for odometry.  These sensors are connected via voltage dividers 
>> to 
>> pins 33, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, and 49 of P9, and are powered from the 
>> same 
>> power supply used to power the BeagleBone Black.  The System Manual 
>> has a 
>> rather explicit warning:
>>
>> NOTE: DO NOT APPLY VOLTAGE TO ANY I/O PIN WHEN POWER IS NOT 
>> SUPPLIED TO THE BOARD. IT WILL DAMAGE THE PROCESSOR AND VOID THE 
>> WARRANTY.
>> NO PINS ARE TO BE DRIVEN UNTIL AFTER THE SYS_RESET LINE GOES HIGH.
>>
>> My concern is the current arrangement would allow the sensors to 
>> begin driving the pins before the SYS_RESET line goes high; however, 
>> I am a 
>> software guy just starting down the hardware path.  Thus far many in 
>> the 
>> class have been using the robot without issue.  Is my concern 
>> invalid?
>>
>> Thank you for your time.
>>
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Re: [beagleboard] When to power sensors connected to the BeagleBone Black?

2014-03-06 Thread kyle
On a related note:  If my sensors are buffered and gated to sys_resetn am I 
safe if the BBB powers down a few ms before the rest?  My circuit watches the 
3.3V regulator output and when it falls away the power for the entire circuit 
is killed as well but it takes 5-9ms for the power controller to notice and 
react to the condition.  My buffers are connected to SYS_RESETN via a 
schmidt-inverter driving the /OE gates for the pins.

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Re: [beagleboard] When to power sensors connected to the BeagleBone Black?

2014-03-07 Thread Gerald Coley
You are fine. Reset is no the issue.  Power is. The fact that the power is
removed makes everything safe. Reset is an easy way to make sure
the board is powered up and provides a logic level indication of that fact..


Gerald



On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:47 AM,  wrote:

> On a related note:  If my sensors are buffered and gated to sys_resetn am
> I safe if the BBB powers down a few ms before the rest?  My circuit watches
> the 3.3V regulator output and when it falls away the power for the entire
> circuit is killed as well but it takes 5-9ms for the power controller to
> notice and react to the condition.  My buffers are connected to SYS_RESETN
> via a schmidt-inverter driving the /OE gates for the pins.
>
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