Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond
Well sort of.we developed our platform after about a decade of work with BC fisheries.but it's a globally available platform and is in use in the Northeast US and BCmore coming online soon.and a new website for it. We've actually dropped OpenBD for AIR onboardOpenBD was great, but for us AIR is betterso no slagging of OpenBD here...was quite impressed with it and the team behind it. Cheers On Thu, 2011-08-11 at 15:09 -0400, Larry Lyons wrote: > >Well the "shy" can of course be a personal decision. > > > >For me I check out alternatives to give my clients the best possible > >service and so I know what is availablebut they...that's me ;-) > > > >it was also the ability to have a complete web app running onboard > >fishing vessels disconnectedwith about 50 MB footprint! > > > >Cheers > > > > I take it was for a BC Fisheries project? > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346722 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond
>Well the "shy" can of course be a personal decision. > >For me I check out alternatives to give my clients the best possible >service and so I know what is availablebut they...that's me ;-) > >it was also the ability to have a complete web app running onboard >fishing vessels disconnectedwith about 50 MB footprint! > >Cheers > I take it was for a BC Fisheries project? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346707 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond
What's the login? On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 3:58 AM, mac jordan wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 3:16 AM, David McGuigan >wrote: > > > > > Don't get me wrong, WordPress is great. But it's not anything astounding. > > And it is slow. > > > > I run WordPress on our own servers, and it is nothing like as slow as you > report. > > -- > mac jordan > www.kestrel.org | www.reactivecooking.com | www.jordan-cats.org | > www.georgethefish.com > twitter: @ramtops > > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346693 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond
well if they do that then they clealry have no idea no what they are doing with CF, as many don't. The only things that need to be disabled are CFEXECUTE CFREGISTRY Createobject(com) CreateObject(java) It it a bit of a catch 22 though, as most customers need CreateObject(java) these days, if you don't enable it then you lose customers, if you enable it you risk your security. If your security gets compromised, all those customers who insisted on having it enabled will then blast you for doing so. On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Raymond Camden wrote: > > Well, I've definitely seen hosts block createObject(component) as well. > > On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 7:11 AM, Russ Michaels > wrote: > > > > I think you misunderstand what he meant ray, CFC's are not blocked, that > > would be silly, , but some of the functionality BlogCFC and many other > apps > > require is CreateObject(java) and many even use the CF runtime. Many > hosts > > block these for good reason, as they circumvent any sandbox security that > > may be setup and do present a security issue. > > Unfortunately most developers simply do not understand the security side > of > > things and do not consider shared hosting when developing their apps, so > > their answer is always "find another host host", which invariably means > > "find an insecure host who don;t care about security". > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346686 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Russ Michaels wrote: > Wordpress does a hell of a lot more than just blogging these days ray.You > can build an entire site with it. > You can build a entire site with Mura CMS as well :-) http://getmura.com/ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346683 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond
Well, I've definitely seen hosts block createObject(component) as well. On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 7:11 AM, Russ Michaels wrote: > > I think you misunderstand what he meant ray, CFC's are not blocked, that > would be silly, , but some of the functionality BlogCFC and many other apps > require is CreateObject(java) and many even use the CF runtime. Many hosts > block these for good reason, as they circumvent any sandbox security that > may be setup and do present a security issue. > Unfortunately most developers simply do not understand the security side of > things and do not consider shared hosting when developing their apps, so > their answer is always "find another host host", which invariably means > "find an insecure host who don;t care about security". ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346682 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond
I think you misunderstand what he meant ray, CFC's are not blocked, that would be silly, , but some of the functionality BlogCFC and many other apps require is CreateObject(java) and many even use the CF runtime. Many hosts block these for good reason, as they circumvent any sandbox security that may be setup and do present a security issue. Unfortunately most developers simply do not understand the security side of things and do not consider shared hosting when developing their apps, so their answer is always "find another host host", which invariably means "find an insecure host who don;t care about security". On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 6:04 AM, Raymond Camden wrote: > > Using a host that blocks CFCs is like buying a car that can't go over 10 > MPH. > > Stop sending these folks your business. > > CFCs aren't advanced features. They are a core part of the language. > > On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 11:31 PM, Eric Roberts > wrote: > > > > One problem that I run into is the inability to use some of the more > > advanced features on shared hosts...which, unfortunately, a lot of my > > smaller clients tend to use. So the CFC based stuff doesn't work > because > > the tags to invoke them are usually restricted. > > > > Eric > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Gerald Guido [mailto:gerald.gu...@gmail.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 5:05 PM > > To: cf-talk > > Subject: Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond > > > > > >>>As for WP being so much better than BlogCFC and Mango -I'm sure it is. > > > > That depends how you define "better." I use both and bog.cfc is way > faster > > than WP. Page loads with blog.cfc is like flipping channels on the tv. > > > > G! > > On Aug 10, 2011 5:47 PM, "Raymond Camden" > wrote: > >> > >> Hey, we always have room on the BlogCFC team too. ;) > >> > >> As for WP being so much better than BlogCFC and Mango - I'm sure it > >> is. Yet oddly - I've been successfully blogging for years (as have > >> hundreds of Mango and BlogCFC users). Maybe I don't know what I'm > >> missing, but I'm certainly getting content out there. > >> > >> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 6:46 PM, Russ Michaels > wrote: > >>> > >>> there is hope, if people continue writing plugins for Mangoblog then > >>> it could be the cf equivalent of wordpress, although it does need > >>> some performance tuning as it is not the fastest app, although very > >>> well > > written. > >>> > >>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:44 PM, Eric Roberts < > >>> ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346681 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 3:16 AM, David McGuigan wrote: > > Don't get me wrong, WordPress is great. But it's not anything astounding. > And it is slow. I run WordPress on our own servers, and it is nothing like as slow as you report. -- mac jordan www.kestrel.org | www.reactivecooking.com | www.jordan-cats.org | www.georgethefish.com twitter: @ramtops ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346679 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: ColdFusion 10 and beyond
If they are paying me...who am I to complain ;-) -Original Message- From: Raymond Camden [mailto:raymondcam...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 12:05 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond Using a host that blocks CFCs is like buying a car that can't go over 10 MPH. Stop sending these folks your business. CFCs aren't advanced features. They are a core part of the language. On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 11:31 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > One problem that I run into is the inability to use some of the more > advanced features on shared hosts...which, unfortunately, a lot of my > smaller clients tend to use. So the CFC based stuff doesn't work > because the tags to invoke them are usually restricted. > > Eric > > -Original Message- > From: Gerald Guido [mailto:gerald.gu...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 5:05 PM > To: cf-talk > Subject: Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond > > >>>As for WP being so much better than BlogCFC and Mango -I'm sure it is. > > That depends how you define "better." I use both and bog.cfc is way > faster than WP. Page loads with blog.cfc is like flipping channels on the tv. > > G! > On Aug 10, 2011 5:47 PM, "Raymond Camden" wrote: >> >> Hey, we always have room on the BlogCFC team too. ;) >> >> As for WP being so much better than BlogCFC and Mango - I'm sure it >> is. Yet oddly - I've been successfully blogging for years (as have >> hundreds of Mango and BlogCFC users). Maybe I don't know what I'm >> missing, but I'm certainly getting content out there. >> >> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 6:46 PM, Russ Michaels wrote: >>> >>> there is hope, if people continue writing plugins for Mangoblog then >>> it could be the cf equivalent of wordpress, although it does need >>> some performance tuning as it is not the fastest app, although very >>> well > written. >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:44 PM, Eric Roberts < >>> ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: >>> >> >> > > > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346677 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond
+100 Such hosting companies are doing a great disservice to the CFML community. Don't use 'em. On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 10:04 PM, Raymond Camden wrote: > > Using a host that blocks CFCs is like buying a car that can't go over 10 > MPH. > > Stop sending these folks your business. > > CFCs aren't advanced features. They are a core part of the language. > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346676 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond
Using a host that blocks CFCs is like buying a car that can't go over 10 MPH. Stop sending these folks your business. CFCs aren't advanced features. They are a core part of the language. On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 11:31 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > One problem that I run into is the inability to use some of the more > advanced features on shared hosts...which, unfortunately, a lot of my > smaller clients tend to use. So the CFC based stuff doesn't work because > the tags to invoke them are usually restricted. > > Eric > > -Original Message- > From: Gerald Guido [mailto:gerald.gu...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 5:05 PM > To: cf-talk > Subject: Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond > > >>>As for WP being so much better than BlogCFC and Mango -I'm sure it is. > > That depends how you define "better." I use both and bog.cfc is way faster > than WP. Page loads with blog.cfc is like flipping channels on the tv. > > G! > On Aug 10, 2011 5:47 PM, "Raymond Camden" wrote: >> >> Hey, we always have room on the BlogCFC team too. ;) >> >> As for WP being so much better than BlogCFC and Mango - I'm sure it >> is. Yet oddly - I've been successfully blogging for years (as have >> hundreds of Mango and BlogCFC users). Maybe I don't know what I'm >> missing, but I'm certainly getting content out there. >> >> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 6:46 PM, Russ Michaels wrote: >>> >>> there is hope, if people continue writing plugins for Mangoblog then >>> it could be the cf equivalent of wordpress, although it does need >>> some performance tuning as it is not the fastest app, although very >>> well > written. >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:44 PM, Eric Roberts < >>> ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: >>> >> >> > > > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346675 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: ColdFusion 10 and beyond
One problem that I run into is the inability to use some of the more advanced features on shared hosts...which, unfortunately, a lot of my smaller clients tend to use. So the CFC based stuff doesn't work because the tags to invoke them are usually restricted. Eric -Original Message- From: Gerald Guido [mailto:gerald.gu...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 5:05 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond >>As for WP being so much better than BlogCFC and Mango -I'm sure it is. That depends how you define "better." I use both and bog.cfc is way faster than WP. Page loads with blog.cfc is like flipping channels on the tv. G! On Aug 10, 2011 5:47 PM, "Raymond Camden" wrote: > > Hey, we always have room on the BlogCFC team too. ;) > > As for WP being so much better than BlogCFC and Mango - I'm sure it > is. Yet oddly - I've been successfully blogging for years (as have > hundreds of Mango and BlogCFC users). Maybe I don't know what I'm > missing, but I'm certainly getting content out there. > > On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 6:46 PM, Russ Michaels wrote: >> >> there is hope, if people continue writing plugins for Mangoblog then >> it could be the cf equivalent of wordpress, although it does need >> some performance tuning as it is not the fastest app, although very >> well written. >> >> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:44 PM, Eric Roberts < >> ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: >> > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346673 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond
Very astute observation. On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 8:27 PM, Sean Corfield wrote: > > So you're talking about the hosted Wordpress service rather than installing > and running Wordpress on your own server... > > On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 7:16 PM, David McGuigan >wrote: > > > > > Nah, WordPress is just slow. Clicking Dashboard takes up to 5 seconds for > > me > > on the hosted version consistently. > > > > And WordPress does seem to do some pretty intelligent ( though slow as > crap > > ) caching on every change to any of your content, which is worth it to > them > > and their scale I'm sure but annoying to users. > > > > I just logged into my WordPress and made a 1 sentence change to a post > from > > earlier today to verify, it was about 5 seconds before the post was > updated > > and I got a response from the server. > > > > That with speedtest.net reporting 22 Mbps down and 4.84 up with cloud > > streaming in Zune and no other network traffic active. > > > > Don't get me wrong, WordPress is great. But it's not anything astounding. > > And it is slow. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Russ Michaels > > wrote: > > > > > > > > you probably have a lot of errors. You really need to turn on the > > debugging > > > and have a look, there are often plugins that conflict with each other > or > > > are not compatible with current version and as result you can have tons > > of > > > error sin the background. > > > You also need to make sure you are using FastCGI on windows to speed > > things > > > up. > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Gerald Guido > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >>As for WP being so much better than BlogCFC and Mango -I'm sure it > > is. > > > > > > > > That depends how you define "better." I use both and bog.cfc is way > > > faster > > > > than WP. Page loads with blog.cfc is like flipping channels on the > tv. > > > > > > > > G! > > > > On Aug 10, 2011 5:47 PM, "Raymond Camden" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hey, we always have room on the BlogCFC team too. ;) > > > > > > > > > > As for WP being so much better than BlogCFC and Mango - I'm sure it > > > > > is. Yet oddly - I've been successfully blogging for years (as have > > > > > hundreds of Mango and BlogCFC users). Maybe I don't know what I'm > > > > > missing, but I'm certainly getting content out there. > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 6:46 PM, Russ Michaels > > > > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> there is hope, if people continue writing plugins for Mangoblog > then > > > it > > > > >> could be the cf equivalent of wordpress, although it does need > some > > > > >> performance tuning as it is not the fastest app, although very > well > > > > written. > > > > >> > > > > >> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:44 PM, Eric Roberts < > > > > >> ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346672 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: ColdFusion 10 and beyond
Can I just say thanks for at least directing this worn thread down a road less traveled. I'd much rather be talking about wordpress vs blogcfc than another sky-is-falling panicfest. :) -Original Message- From: Raymond Camden [mailto:raymondcam...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 5:37 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond Which reminds me - most of the speed in BlogCFC came from time spent using our built in Server Monitor and Debugging output. It's incredible how useful that is. But that's useful info and probably OT for this thread. ;) On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Gerald Guido wrote: > >>>As for WP being so much better than BlogCFC and Mango -I'm sure it is. > > That depends how you define "better." I use both and bog.cfc is way faster > than WP. Page loads with blog.cfc is like flipping channels on the tv. > > G! ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346671 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond
So you're talking about the hosted Wordpress service rather than installing and running Wordpress on your own server... On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 7:16 PM, David McGuigan wrote: > > Nah, WordPress is just slow. Clicking Dashboard takes up to 5 seconds for > me > on the hosted version consistently. > > And WordPress does seem to do some pretty intelligent ( though slow as crap > ) caching on every change to any of your content, which is worth it to them > and their scale I'm sure but annoying to users. > > I just logged into my WordPress and made a 1 sentence change to a post from > earlier today to verify, it was about 5 seconds before the post was updated > and I got a response from the server. > > That with speedtest.net reporting 22 Mbps down and 4.84 up with cloud > streaming in Zune and no other network traffic active. > > Don't get me wrong, WordPress is great. But it's not anything astounding. > And it is slow. > > > > On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Russ Michaels > wrote: > > > > > you probably have a lot of errors. You really need to turn on the > debugging > > and have a look, there are often plugins that conflict with each other or > > are not compatible with current version and as result you can have tons > of > > error sin the background. > > You also need to make sure you are using FastCGI on windows to speed > things > > up. > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Gerald Guido > >wrote: > > > > > > > > >>As for WP being so much better than BlogCFC and Mango -I'm sure it > is. > > > > > > That depends how you define "better." I use both and bog.cfc is way > > faster > > > than WP. Page loads with blog.cfc is like flipping channels on the tv. > > > > > > G! > > > On Aug 10, 2011 5:47 PM, "Raymond Camden" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hey, we always have room on the BlogCFC team too. ;) > > > > > > > > As for WP being so much better than BlogCFC and Mango - I'm sure it > > > > is. Yet oddly - I've been successfully blogging for years (as have > > > > hundreds of Mango and BlogCFC users). Maybe I don't know what I'm > > > > missing, but I'm certainly getting content out there. > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 6:46 PM, Russ Michaels > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > >> there is hope, if people continue writing plugins for Mangoblog then > > it > > > >> could be the cf equivalent of wordpress, although it does need some > > > >> performance tuning as it is not the fastest app, although very well > > > written. > > > >> > > > >> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:44 PM, Eric Roberts < > > > >> ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346670 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond
I should probably clarify that the rest of the web for me is nearly instant and I have an average ping of about 4 ms. In other words WordPress being slow is based on repeat observation, not a potential one-off fluctuation. On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 8:16 PM, David McGuigan wrote: > Nah, WordPress is just slow. Clicking Dashboard takes up to 5 seconds for > me on the hosted version consistently. > > And WordPress does seem to do some pretty intelligent ( though slow as crap > ) caching on every change to any of your content, which is worth it to them > and their scale I'm sure but annoying to users. > > I just logged into my WordPress and made a 1 sentence change to a post from > earlier today to verify, it was about 5 seconds before the post was updated > and I got a response from the server. > > That with speedtest.net reporting 22 Mbps down and 4.84 up with cloud > streaming in Zune and no other network traffic active. > > Don't get me wrong, WordPress is great. But it's not anything astounding. > And it is slow. > > > > On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Russ Michaels wrote: > >> >> you probably have a lot of errors. You really need to turn on the >> debugging >> and have a look, there are often plugins that conflict with each other or >> are not compatible with current version and as result you can have tons of >> error sin the background. >> You also need to make sure you are using FastCGI on windows to speed >> things >> up. >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Gerald Guido > >wrote: >> >> > >> > >>As for WP being so much better than BlogCFC and Mango -I'm sure it is. >> > >> > That depends how you define "better." I use both and bog.cfc is way >> faster >> > than WP. Page loads with blog.cfc is like flipping channels on the tv. >> > >> > G! >> > On Aug 10, 2011 5:47 PM, "Raymond Camden" >> wrote: >> > > >> > > Hey, we always have room on the BlogCFC team too. ;) >> > > >> > > As for WP being so much better than BlogCFC and Mango - I'm sure it >> > > is. Yet oddly - I've been successfully blogging for years (as have >> > > hundreds of Mango and BlogCFC users). Maybe I don't know what I'm >> > > missing, but I'm certainly getting content out there. >> > > >> > > On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 6:46 PM, Russ Michaels >> > wrote: >> > >> >> > >> there is hope, if people continue writing plugins for Mangoblog then >> it >> > >> could be the cf equivalent of wordpress, although it does need some >> > >> performance tuning as it is not the fastest app, although very well >> > written. >> > >> >> > >> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:44 PM, Eric Roberts < >> > >> ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >> ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346669 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond
Nah, WordPress is just slow. Clicking Dashboard takes up to 5 seconds for me on the hosted version consistently. And WordPress does seem to do some pretty intelligent ( though slow as crap ) caching on every change to any of your content, which is worth it to them and their scale I'm sure but annoying to users. I just logged into my WordPress and made a 1 sentence change to a post from earlier today to verify, it was about 5 seconds before the post was updated and I got a response from the server. That with speedtest.net reporting 22 Mbps down and 4.84 up with cloud streaming in Zune and no other network traffic active. Don't get me wrong, WordPress is great. But it's not anything astounding. And it is slow. On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Russ Michaels wrote: > > you probably have a lot of errors. You really need to turn on the debugging > and have a look, there are often plugins that conflict with each other or > are not compatible with current version and as result you can have tons of > error sin the background. > You also need to make sure you are using FastCGI on windows to speed things > up. > > > On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Gerald Guido >wrote: > > > > > >>As for WP being so much better than BlogCFC and Mango -I'm sure it is. > > > > That depends how you define "better." I use both and bog.cfc is way > faster > > than WP. Page loads with blog.cfc is like flipping channels on the tv. > > > > G! > > On Aug 10, 2011 5:47 PM, "Raymond Camden" > wrote: > > > > > > Hey, we always have room on the BlogCFC team too. ;) > > > > > > As for WP being so much better than BlogCFC and Mango - I'm sure it > > > is. Yet oddly - I've been successfully blogging for years (as have > > > hundreds of Mango and BlogCFC users). Maybe I don't know what I'm > > > missing, but I'm certainly getting content out there. > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 6:46 PM, Russ Michaels > > wrote: > > >> > > >> there is hope, if people continue writing plugins for Mangoblog then > it > > >> could be the cf equivalent of wordpress, although it does need some > > >> performance tuning as it is not the fastest app, although very well > > written. > > >> > > >> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:44 PM, Eric Roberts < > > >> ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346668 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond
Cool, When I need my blog to do more than blog, I'll look into it. ;) On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Russ Michaels wrote: > > Wordpress does a hell of a lot more than just blogging these days ray.You > can build an entire site with it. > > On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 10:46 PM, Raymond Camden > wrote: > >> >> Hey, we always have room on the BlogCFC team too. ;) >> >> As for WP being so much better than BlogCFC and Mango - I'm sure it >> is. Yet oddly - I've been successfully blogging for years (as have >> hundreds of Mango and BlogCFC users). Maybe I don't know what I'm >> missing, but I'm certainly getting content out there. >> >> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 6:46 PM, Russ Michaels wrote: >> > >> > there is hope, if people continue writing plugins for Mangoblog then it >> > could be the cf equivalent of wordpress, although it does need some >> > performance tuning as it is not the fastest app, although very well >> written. >> > >> > On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:44 PM, Eric Roberts < >> > ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: >> > >> >> > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346667 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond
you probably have a lot of errors. You really need to turn on the debugging and have a look, there are often plugins that conflict with each other or are not compatible with current version and as result you can have tons of error sin the background. You also need to make sure you are using FastCGI on windows to speed things up. On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Gerald Guido wrote: > > >>As for WP being so much better than BlogCFC and Mango -I'm sure it is. > > That depends how you define "better." I use both and bog.cfc is way faster > than WP. Page loads with blog.cfc is like flipping channels on the tv. > > G! > On Aug 10, 2011 5:47 PM, "Raymond Camden" wrote: > > > > Hey, we always have room on the BlogCFC team too. ;) > > > > As for WP being so much better than BlogCFC and Mango - I'm sure it > > is. Yet oddly - I've been successfully blogging for years (as have > > hundreds of Mango and BlogCFC users). Maybe I don't know what I'm > > missing, but I'm certainly getting content out there. > > > > On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 6:46 PM, Russ Michaels > wrote: > >> > >> there is hope, if people continue writing plugins for Mangoblog then it > >> could be the cf equivalent of wordpress, although it does need some > >> performance tuning as it is not the fastest app, although very well > written. > >> > >> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:44 PM, Eric Roberts < > >> ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > >> > > > > > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346665 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond
Wordpress does a hell of a lot more than just blogging these days ray.You can build an entire site with it. On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 10:46 PM, Raymond Camden wrote: > > Hey, we always have room on the BlogCFC team too. ;) > > As for WP being so much better than BlogCFC and Mango - I'm sure it > is. Yet oddly - I've been successfully blogging for years (as have > hundreds of Mango and BlogCFC users). Maybe I don't know what I'm > missing, but I'm certainly getting content out there. > > On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 6:46 PM, Russ Michaels wrote: > > > > there is hope, if people continue writing plugins for Mangoblog then it > > could be the cf equivalent of wordpress, although it does need some > > performance tuning as it is not the fastest app, although very well > written. > > > > On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:44 PM, Eric Roberts < > > ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346664 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond
Which reminds me - most of the speed in BlogCFC came from time spent using our built in Server Monitor and Debugging output. It's incredible how useful that is. But that's useful info and probably OT for this thread. ;) On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Gerald Guido wrote: > >>>As for WP being so much better than BlogCFC and Mango -I'm sure it is. > > That depends how you define "better." I use both and bog.cfc is way faster > than WP. Page loads with blog.cfc is like flipping channels on the tv. > > G! ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346663 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond
>>As for WP being so much better than BlogCFC and Mango -I'm sure it is. That depends how you define "better." I use both and bog.cfc is way faster than WP. Page loads with blog.cfc is like flipping channels on the tv. G! On Aug 10, 2011 5:47 PM, "Raymond Camden" wrote: > > Hey, we always have room on the BlogCFC team too. ;) > > As for WP being so much better than BlogCFC and Mango - I'm sure it > is. Yet oddly - I've been successfully blogging for years (as have > hundreds of Mango and BlogCFC users). Maybe I don't know what I'm > missing, but I'm certainly getting content out there. > > On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 6:46 PM, Russ Michaels wrote: >> >> there is hope, if people continue writing plugins for Mangoblog then it >> could be the cf equivalent of wordpress, although it does need some >> performance tuning as it is not the fastest app, although very well written. >> >> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:44 PM, Eric Roberts < >> ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: >> > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346661 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond
Hey, we always have room on the BlogCFC team too. ;) As for WP being so much better than BlogCFC and Mango - I'm sure it is. Yet oddly - I've been successfully blogging for years (as have hundreds of Mango and BlogCFC users). Maybe I don't know what I'm missing, but I'm certainly getting content out there. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 6:46 PM, Russ Michaels wrote: > > there is hope, if people continue writing plugins for Mangoblog then it > could be the cf equivalent of wordpress, although it does need some > performance tuning as it is not the fastest app, although very well written. > > On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:44 PM, Eric Roberts < > ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346660 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Richard Steele wrote: > Yes, that's true, except I'd be concerned about no security patches. So naturally you Google;s for "ColdFusion EOL" and found http://www.adobe.com/support/products/enterprise/eol/eol_matrix.html#63 Adobe is classified as an Enterprise product with a 5 + 2 year support policy. Extrapolating a supposed 2012 release of ColdFusion 10 means ColdFusion will be supported until 2019 at least. Jochem -- Jochem van Dieten http://jochem.vandieten.net/ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346649 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond
as I often tell people, use the best tool for the job, which is not always CF. On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 7:32 AM, Dave Watts wrote: > > > but then again much of the Adobe web site is done in JSP: > http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=39&platform=Windows > > SIGH!!! > > It would be pretty dumb if Adobe rewrote their existing site just to > make CF people feel better. The Adobe site is HUGE. Adobe also has a > lot of J2EE products (LiveCycle). > > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software > http://www.figleaf.com/ > http://training.figleaf.com/ > > Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on > GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized > instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346642 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond
> but then again much of the Adobe web site is done in JSP: > http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=39&platform=Windows > SIGH!!! It would be pretty dumb if Adobe rewrote their existing site just to make CF people feel better. The Adobe site is HUGE. Adobe also has a lot of J2EE products (LiveCycle). Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346640 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 3:56 PM, David McGuigan wrote: > Also my Railo dabblings were > 1 year ago so hopefully installation and set > up has significantly improved > Yup, there are self-contained "click-click-done" style installers for Windows, Mac and Linux now. Also, to Richard's comment about "enterprise" features like clustering: that's a feature of the JEE system, not the CFML engine, so yes Railo's great in a cluster. In fact, Railo has features for clustering that ACF does not have, such as the ability to use a shared cache or storage system (ehCache etc) for session scope which is great for failover without needing to worry about session replication etc. Railo supports many different caching systems (and can even use MongoDB and CouchDB as a cache!). Railo also provides a complete Web Administrator for each web application context, completely isolated from others, with a Server Administrator to control overall defaults and security access etc (so it's great for shared hosting - check out Alurium which offers Railo-based shared hosting for as little as $3 / month). And, just to echo what others have said, Adobe's hard at work on the next version of ColdFusion with a lot of great features and has also invested a lot of time and effort into a really good dedicated IDE in the shape of ColdFusion Builder - a product I love and use pretty much 24x7! They also just did a complete overhaul of the ColdFusion product family page on adobe.com! -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ World Singles, LLC. -- http://worldsingles.com/ Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://www.getrailo.com/ "Perfection is the enemy of the good." -- Gustave Flaubert, French realist novelist (1821-1880) ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346638 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond
there is hope, if people continue writing plugins for Mangoblog then it could be the cf equivalent of wordpress, although it does need some performance tuning as it is not the fastest app, although very well written. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:44 PM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > I agree Russ...though it would be nice to see a good, solid CF based blog > package that is the equivalent of wordpress. I cringe when I have to > implement something that isn't CF on a website because there is no CF > equivalent. > > -Original Message- > From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk] > Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 2:18 PM > To: cf-talk > Subject: Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond > > > probably because Wordpress does what they need as it does everything. even > Mangoblog has a long way to go before it will come close. > > On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 7:06 PM, andy matthews > wrote: > > > > > How sad is it that the ColdFusion team blog is using WordPress? Why > > not BlogCFC or MangoBlog? > > > > > > > > andy > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Guust Nieuwenhuis [mailto:i...@lagaffe.be] > > Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 12:51 PM > > To: cf-talk > > Subject: Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond > > > > > > Richard, > > > > The next version of ColdFusion, code name "Zeus" is on its way... > > > > Here are some resources for you about it: > > - Next version of ColdFusion is codenamed "Zeus" > > > > http://blogs.adobe.com/coldfusion/2011/06/08/next-version-of-coldfusio > > n-is-c > > odenamed-zeus/ > > - ColdFusion X Writeup > > http://www.coldfusionjedi.com/index.cfm/2011/3/3/ColdFusion-X-Writeup > > - ColdFusion 10 - Sneak Peak at RIACON > > http://www.askbenore.com/2011/08/06/coldfusion-10-sneak-peak-at-riacon > > / > > > > Make sure you follow ColdFusionBloggers ( > > http://www.coldfusionbloggers.org/) > > and you'll be up to date when something new is announced. > > > > Kind regards, > > Guust > > > > > > On 09 Aug 2011, at 19:00, Richard Steele wrote: > > > > > > > > I'm concerned that at some point Adobe will pull the plug on CF as > > > free > > PHP continues to grow its user base. I know that there is an open > > source version of CF, but I'm not sure if it has Enterprise features > > such as the ability to create load balanced multiple instances. What's > > the general feeling about this? Should I be concerned? Is there any > > work being done on ColdFusion 10? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346634 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond
It also means you can grab a VPS for $30/mo and run a completely open source stack, and not have to deal with shared hosting at all. -- Matthew Williams Geodesic GraFX www.geodesicgrafx.com/blog twitter.com/ophbalance ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346633 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond
Because I was refactoring a large number of websites, and am getting ready to launch a major new site that will generate a substantial part of my revenue in the future, I did a very extensive cost benefit ratio study on all three CF engines, and some memory and performance testing of my own before making the decision to go with Railo. My biggest complaint with ACF is the cost. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Bryan Stevenson wrote: > > David...Maureenyou should both try OpenBD then ;-) > > On Tue, 2011-08-09 at 15:24 -0600, David McGuigan wrote: > >> I had the opposite experience. Became overjoyed to stick with Adobe CF to >> avoid the significant headaches of Railo. >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Maureen wrote: >> >> > >> > I'm moving everything to Railo, and loving it. Wish I had done it a >> > year ago, and saved myself some significant headaches ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346632 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond
Well the "shy" can of course be a personal decision. For me I check out alternatives to give my clients the best possible service and so I know what is availablebut they...that's me ;-) it was also the ability to have a complete web app running onboard fishing vessels disconnectedwith about 50 MB footprint! Cheers On Tue, 2011-08-09 at 16:56 -0600, David McGuigan wrote: > But why when Adobe CF is so freaking sweet? I was only checking Railo out > for the performance advantage I'd heard about, but then I stumbled upon a > lil' something called Trusted Cache hee hee. > > Also my Railo dabblings were > 1 year ago so hopefully installation and set > up has significantly improved so if you haven't already invested the time in > getting savvy and quick with J2EE techs you won't have to and can continue > to live your simple, powerful CFMLesque lifestyle. But I wouldn't be > surprised if they hadn't either. > > > On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Bryan Stevenson < > br...@electricedgesystems.com> wrote: > > > > > David...Maureenyou should both try OpenBD then ;-) > > > > On Tue, 2011-08-09 at 15:24 -0600, David McGuigan wrote: > > > > > I had the opposite experience. Became overjoyed to stick with Adobe CF to > > > avoid the significant headaches of Railo. > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Maureen wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I'm moving everything to Railo, and loving it. Wish I had done it a > > > > year ago, and saved myself some significant headaches. > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Russ Michaels > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > plus even if CF did die, we could all continue on Railo just fine as > > > > well. > > > > > Sure you may have to workaround a few Adobe specific features and > > rewrite > > > > > some code, but it could be done. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346631 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond
On 8/9/2011 1:00 PM, Richard Steele wrote: > > I'm concerned that at some point Adobe will pull the plug on CF as free PHP > continues to grow its user base. I know that there is an open source version > of CF, but I'm not sure if it has Enterprise features such as the ability to > create load balanced multiple instances. What's the general feeling about > this? Should I be concerned? Is there any work being done on ColdFusion 10? At RIACon in Rockville just this last weekend, there were six(?) members of the CF team from Bangalore including the Product Marketing Manager and security czar. There was a lot of content on Zeus in the presentations. They also stated that it would be out next year. (No I don't know if that meant Dec 2012 or Jan 2012.) From everything I saw and heard, ColdFusion 10 is going to be a great improvement and in ways that may not be obvious at first. There are many new security tags. There is a huge improvement in the administrator that we saw including one-click hot fixes. These things were in the presentations and no one had to sign NDAs so I assume the information is out in the wild. I got a great feeling of relief in meeting and talking with the team from Adobe. I was wondering the same thing you were before and wondering if this move to Bangalore was the first step in the demise of the product. Now, I am looking ahead at many more years of developing in my favorite system. The Adobe engineering and marketing team were very impressive. In September, the new product manager and other staff will be at NCDevCon in Raleigh http://ncdevcon.com/ You should be there to hear the news for yourself. It's going to be fun. -- LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/8/a4/60 Twitter: http://twitter.com/RogerTheGeek Google+: https://plus.google.com/117357905892731200369 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346630 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond
But why when Adobe CF is so freaking sweet? I was only checking Railo out for the performance advantage I'd heard about, but then I stumbled upon a lil' something called Trusted Cache hee hee. Also my Railo dabblings were > 1 year ago so hopefully installation and set up has significantly improved so if you haven't already invested the time in getting savvy and quick with J2EE techs you won't have to and can continue to live your simple, powerful CFMLesque lifestyle. But I wouldn't be surprised if they hadn't either. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Bryan Stevenson < br...@electricedgesystems.com> wrote: > > David...Maureenyou should both try OpenBD then ;-) > > On Tue, 2011-08-09 at 15:24 -0600, David McGuigan wrote: > > > I had the opposite experience. Became overjoyed to stick with Adobe CF to > > avoid the significant headaches of Railo. > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Maureen wrote: > > > > > > > > I'm moving everything to Railo, and loving it. Wish I had done it a > > > year ago, and saved myself some significant headaches. > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Russ Michaels > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > plus even if CF did die, we could all continue on Railo just fine as > > > well. > > > > Sure you may have to workaround a few Adobe specific features and > rewrite > > > > some code, but it could be done. > > > > > > > > > > > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346629 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond
David...Maureenyou should both try OpenBD then ;-) On Tue, 2011-08-09 at 15:24 -0600, David McGuigan wrote: > I had the opposite experience. Became overjoyed to stick with Adobe CF to > avoid the significant headaches of Railo. > > > On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Maureen wrote: > > > > > I'm moving everything to Railo, and loving it. Wish I had done it a > > year ago, and saved myself some significant headaches. > > > > On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Russ Michaels > > wrote: > > > > > > plus even if CF did die, we could all continue on Railo just fine as > > well. > > > Sure you may have to workaround a few Adobe specific features and rewrite > > > some code, but it could be done. > > > > > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346628 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: ColdFusion 10 and beyond
I agree Russ...though it would be nice to see a good, solid CF based blog package that is the equivalent of wordpress. I cringe when I have to implement something that isn't CF on a website because there is no CF equivalent. -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 2:18 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond probably because Wordpress does what they need as it does everything. even Mangoblog has a long way to go before it will come close. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 7:06 PM, andy matthews wrote: > > How sad is it that the ColdFusion team blog is using WordPress? Why > not BlogCFC or MangoBlog? > > > > andy > > -Original Message- > From: Guust Nieuwenhuis [mailto:i...@lagaffe.be] > Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 12:51 PM > To: cf-talk > Subject: Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond > > > Richard, > > The next version of ColdFusion, code name "Zeus" is on its way... > > Here are some resources for you about it: > - Next version of ColdFusion is codenamed "Zeus" > > http://blogs.adobe.com/coldfusion/2011/06/08/next-version-of-coldfusio > n-is-c > odenamed-zeus/ > - ColdFusion X Writeup > http://www.coldfusionjedi.com/index.cfm/2011/3/3/ColdFusion-X-Writeup > - ColdFusion 10 - Sneak Peak at RIACON > http://www.askbenore.com/2011/08/06/coldfusion-10-sneak-peak-at-riacon > / > > Make sure you follow ColdFusionBloggers ( > http://www.coldfusionbloggers.org/) > and you'll be up to date when something new is announced. > > Kind regards, > Guust > > > On 09 Aug 2011, at 19:00, Richard Steele wrote: > > > > > I'm concerned that at some point Adobe will pull the plug on CF as > > free > PHP continues to grow its user base. I know that there is an open > source version of CF, but I'm not sure if it has Enterprise features > such as the ability to create load balanced multiple instances. What's > the general feeling about this? Should I be concerned? Is there any > work being done on ColdFusion 10? > > > > > > > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346627 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond
I had the opposite experience. Became overjoyed to stick with Adobe CF to avoid the significant headaches of Railo. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Maureen wrote: > > I'm moving everything to Railo, and loving it. Wish I had done it a > year ago, and saved myself some significant headaches. > > On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Russ Michaels > wrote: > > > > plus even if CF did die, we could all continue on Railo just fine as > well. > > Sure you may have to workaround a few Adobe specific features and rewrite > > some code, but it could be done. > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346626 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond
I'm moving everything to Railo, and loving it. Wish I had done it a year ago, and saved myself some significant headaches. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Russ Michaels wrote: > > plus even if CF did die, we could all continue on Railo just fine as well. > Sure you may have to workaround a few Adobe specific features and rewrite > some code, but it could be done. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346625 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: ColdFusion 10 and beyond
> How sad is it that the ColdFusion team blog is using WordPress? Why not > BlogCFC or MangoBlog? Well, I kid you not, but for a little while the Microsoft Developer Network site was done in Cold Fusion. They changed that rather quickly. I would hope Adobe would do the same... but then again much of the Adobe web site is done in JSP: http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=39&platform=Windows SIGH!!! Robert B. Harrison Director of Interactive Services Austin & Williams 125 Kennedy Drive, Suite 100 Hauppauge NY 11788 P : 631.231.6600 Ext. 119 F : 631.434.7022 http://www.austin-williams.com Great advertising can't be either/or. It must be &. Plug in to our blog: A&W Unplugged http://www.austin-williams.com/unplugged ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346621 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond
probably because Wordpress does what they need as it does everything. even Mangoblog has a long way to go before it will come close. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 7:06 PM, andy matthews wrote: > > How sad is it that the ColdFusion team blog is using WordPress? Why not > BlogCFC or MangoBlog? > > > > andy > > -Original Message- > From: Guust Nieuwenhuis [mailto:i...@lagaffe.be] > Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 12:51 PM > To: cf-talk > Subject: Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond > > > Richard, > > The next version of ColdFusion, code name "Zeus" is on its way... > > Here are some resources for you about it: > - Next version of ColdFusion is codenamed "Zeus" > > http://blogs.adobe.com/coldfusion/2011/06/08/next-version-of-coldfusion-is-c > odenamed-zeus/ > - ColdFusion X Writeup > http://www.coldfusionjedi.com/index.cfm/2011/3/3/ColdFusion-X-Writeup > - ColdFusion 10 - Sneak Peak at RIACON > http://www.askbenore.com/2011/08/06/coldfusion-10-sneak-peak-at-riacon/ > > Make sure you follow ColdFusionBloggers ( > http://www.coldfusionbloggers.org/) > and you'll be up to date when something new is announced. > > Kind regards, > Guust > > > On 09 Aug 2011, at 19:00, Richard Steele wrote: > > > > > I'm concerned that at some point Adobe will pull the plug on CF as free > PHP continues to grow its user base. I know that there is an open source > version of CF, but I'm not sure if it has Enterprise features such as the > ability to create load balanced multiple instances. What's the general > feeling about this? Should I be concerned? Is there any work being done on > ColdFusion 10? > > > > > > > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346615 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond
Like it or not both pale in comparison massively to wordpress. Plus the CF team won't be in charge of what blogging system is used company wide Sent from my iPhone On 9 Aug 2011, at 19:06, "andy matthews" wrote: > > How sad is it that the ColdFusion team blog is using WordPress? Why not > BlogCFC or MangoBlog? > > > > andy > > -Original Message- > From: Guust Nieuwenhuis [mailto:i...@lagaffe.be] > Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 12:51 PM > To: cf-talk > Subject: Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond > > > Richard, > > The next version of ColdFusion, code name "Zeus" is on its way... > > Here are some resources for you about it: > - Next version of ColdFusion is codenamed "Zeus" > http://blogs.adobe.com/coldfusion/2011/06/08/next-version-of-coldfusion-is-c > odenamed-zeus/ > - ColdFusion X Writeup > http://www.coldfusionjedi.com/index.cfm/2011/3/3/ColdFusion-X-Writeup > - ColdFusion 10 - Sneak Peak at RIACON > http://www.askbenore.com/2011/08/06/coldfusion-10-sneak-peak-at-riacon/ > > Make sure you follow ColdFusionBloggers (http://www.coldfusionbloggers.org/) > and you'll be up to date when something new is announced. > > Kind regards, > Guust > > > On 09 Aug 2011, at 19:00, Richard Steele wrote: > >> >> I'm concerned that at some point Adobe will pull the plug on CF as free > PHP continues to grow its user base. I know that there is an open source > version of CF, but I'm not sure if it has Enterprise features such as the > ability to create load balanced multiple instances. What's the general > feeling about this? Should I be concerned? Is there any work being done on > ColdFusion 10? >> >> > > > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346611 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond
If Adobe did stop development of ColdFusion, they'd either 1. Sell it to a company that wanted it to make it even better and more popular. or 2. Release it as open source to the community. In either case, we win like champions. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 12:06 PM, andy matthews wrote: > > How sad is it that the ColdFusion team blog is using WordPress? Why not > BlogCFC or MangoBlog? > > > > andy > > -Original Message- > From: Guust Nieuwenhuis [mailto:i...@lagaffe.be] > Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 12:51 PM > To: cf-talk > Subject: Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond > > > Richard, > > The next version of ColdFusion, code name "Zeus" is on its way... > > Here are some resources for you about it: > - Next version of ColdFusion is codenamed "Zeus" > > http://blogs.adobe.com/coldfusion/2011/06/08/next-version-of-coldfusion-is-c > odenamed-zeus/ > - ColdFusion X Writeup > http://www.coldfusionjedi.com/index.cfm/2011/3/3/ColdFusion-X-Writeup > - ColdFusion 10 - Sneak Peak at RIACON > http://www.askbenore.com/2011/08/06/coldfusion-10-sneak-peak-at-riacon/ > > Make sure you follow ColdFusionBloggers ( > http://www.coldfusionbloggers.org/) > and you'll be up to date when something new is announced. > > Kind regards, > Guust > > > On 09 Aug 2011, at 19:00, Richard Steele wrote: > > > > > I'm concerned that at some point Adobe will pull the plug on CF as free > PHP continues to grow its user base. I know that there is an open source > version of CF, but I'm not sure if it has Enterprise features such as the > ability to create load balanced multiple instances. What's the general > feeling about this? Should I be concerned? Is there any work being done on > ColdFusion 10? > > > > > > > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346609 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: ColdFusion 10 and beyond
How sad is it that the ColdFusion team blog is using WordPress? Why not BlogCFC or MangoBlog? andy -Original Message- From: Guust Nieuwenhuis [mailto:i...@lagaffe.be] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 12:51 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond Richard, The next version of ColdFusion, code name "Zeus" is on its way... Here are some resources for you about it: - Next version of ColdFusion is codenamed "Zeus" http://blogs.adobe.com/coldfusion/2011/06/08/next-version-of-coldfusion-is-c odenamed-zeus/ - ColdFusion X Writeup http://www.coldfusionjedi.com/index.cfm/2011/3/3/ColdFusion-X-Writeup - ColdFusion 10 - Sneak Peak at RIACON http://www.askbenore.com/2011/08/06/coldfusion-10-sneak-peak-at-riacon/ Make sure you follow ColdFusionBloggers (http://www.coldfusionbloggers.org/) and you'll be up to date when something new is announced. Kind regards, Guust On 09 Aug 2011, at 19:00, Richard Steele wrote: > > I'm concerned that at some point Adobe will pull the plug on CF as free PHP continues to grow its user base. I know that there is an open source version of CF, but I'm not sure if it has Enterprise features such as the ability to create load balanced multiple instances. What's the general feeling about this? Should I be concerned? Is there any work being done on ColdFusion 10? > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346608 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond
Kill it with fire. On Aug 9, 2011 1:50 PM, "Richard Steele" wrote: > > Nope, I'm a CF advocate. Ok by me that we kill this thread! > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346607 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond
Richard, The next version of ColdFusion, code name "Zeus" is on its way... Here are some resources for you about it: - Next version of ColdFusion is codenamed Zeus http://blogs.adobe.com/coldfusion/2011/06/08/next-version-of-coldfusion-is-codenamed-zeus/ - ColdFusion X Writeup http://www.coldfusionjedi.com/index.cfm/2011/3/3/ColdFusion-X-Writeup - ColdFusion 10 Sneak Peak at RIACON http://www.askbenore.com/2011/08/06/coldfusion-10-sneak-peak-at-riacon/ Make sure you follow ColdFusionBloggers (http://www.coldfusionbloggers.org/) and you'll be up to date when something new is announced. Kind regards, Guust On 09 Aug 2011, at 19:00, Richard Steele wrote: > > I'm concerned that at some point Adobe will pull the plug on CF as free PHP > continues to grow its user base. I know that there is an open source version > of CF, but I'm not sure if it has Enterprise features such as the ability to > create load balanced multiple instances. What's the general feeling about > this? Should I be concerned? Is there any work being done on ColdFusion 10? > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346606 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond
Nope, I'm a CF advocate. Ok by me that we kill this thread! ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346605 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: ColdFusion 10 and beyond
Gah It's got to be a PHP plant that keeps bringing this stuff up. Can't we just agree to simply rehash the same old arguments in our heads and let this drop? -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:br...@electricedgesystems.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 12:38 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond Here we go again.has it been 2 months already!! ;-) On Tue, 2011-08-09 at 13:00 -0400, Richard Steele wrote: > I'm concerned that at some point Adobe will pull the plug on CF as free PHP continues to grow its user base. I know that there is an open source version of CF, but I'm not sure if it has Enterprise features such as the ability to create load balanced multiple instances. What's the general feeling about this? Should I be concerned? Is there any work being done on ColdFusion 10? > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346604 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond
You could always read the ColdFusion Developer Team Blog. http://blogs.adobe.com/coldfusion/2011/06/08/next-version-of-coldfusion-is-codenamed-zeus/ Wil Genovese Sr. Web Application Developer/ Systems Administrator CF Webtools www.cfwebtools.com wilg...@trunkful.com www.trunkful.com On Aug 9, 2011, at 12:19 PM, Richard Steele wrote: > > Yes, that's true, except I'd be concerned about no security patches. > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346603 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond
plus even if CF did die, we could all continue on Railo just fine as well. Sure you may have to workaround a few Adobe specific features and rewrite some code, but it could be done. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Bryan Stevenson < br...@electricedgesystems.com> wrote: > > Here we go again.has it been 2 months already!! ;-) > > On Tue, 2011-08-09 at 13:00 -0400, Richard Steele wrote: > > > I'm concerned that at some point Adobe will pull the plug on CF as free > PHP continues to grow its user base. I know that there is an open source > version of CF, but I'm not sure if it has Enterprise features such as the > ability to create load balanced multiple instances. What's the general > feeling about this? Should I be concerned? Is there any work being done on > ColdFusion 10? > > > > > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346602 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond
Here we go again.has it been 2 months already!! ;-) On Tue, 2011-08-09 at 13:00 -0400, Richard Steele wrote: > I'm concerned that at some point Adobe will pull the plug on CF as free PHP > continues to grow its user base. I know that there is an open source version > of CF, but I'm not sure if it has Enterprise features such as the ability to > create load balanced multiple instances. What's the general feeling about > this? Should I be concerned? Is there any work being done on ColdFusion 10? > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346601 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond
Yes, that's true, except I'd be concerned about no security patches. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346600 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond
Sorry, not predicting its imminent death, just was concerned, that's all. Somehow when I googled it I didn't see any Coldfusion 10 references other than wish list items (must have misspelled it in the search). Ok by me if we kill this thread. Sorry! ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346599 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Richard Steele wrote: > > I'm concerned that at some point Adobe will pull the plug on CF as free PHP > continues to grow its user base. I know that there is an open source version > of CF, but I'm not sure if it has Enterprise features such as the ability to > create load balanced multiple instances. What's the general feeling about > this? Should I be concerned? Is there any work being done on ColdFusion 10? > > Even if there wasn't a ColdFusion 10 or 11, we could all continue to work/develop just fine on previous versions. The notion that the we're in a sinking ship just because Adobe stops production on new ColdFusion releases will not stop me from using CF8 or CF9 for years to come. Don't forget php is still version 5 how long has it been since a major release there? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346598 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: ColdFusion 10 and beyond
Yes 10 is in the works, maybe you should read some more tweets and blogs on the subject. Sorry if that sounds negative, but Adobe has too much invested in this to just pull it. Regards, Andrew Scott http://www.andyscott.id.au/ > -Original Message- > From: Richard Steele [mailto:r...@photoeye.com] > Sent: Wednesday, 10 August 2011 3:01 AM > To: cf-talk > Subject: ColdFusion 10 and beyond > > > I'm concerned that at some point Adobe will pull the plug on CF as free PHP > continues to grow its user base. I know that there is an open source version > of CF, but I'm not sure if it has Enterprise features such as the ability to create > load balanced multiple instances. What's the general feeling about this? > Should I be concerned? Is there any work being done on ColdFusion 10? > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346597 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion 10 and beyond
> I'm concerned that at some point Adobe will pull the plug on CF as free PHP > continues to grow its user base. I know that there is an open source > version of CF, but I'm not sure if it has Enterprise features such as the > ability to create load balanced multiple instances. What's the general feeling > about this? Should I be concerned? Is there any work being done on > ColdFusion 10? Out of curiosity, did you even try Googling "ColdFusion 10"? Because that would probably answer your question. I'm not trying to be disagreeable, but this gets rehashed constantly - people are always predicting the death of CF, and have been since version 2. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346595 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
