RE: [Chevelle-List] Is it worth it??

[Craig A. Ellis]

I could not agree more. Even starting with a good foundation, if you
haven't spent 20k - even 25k - you haven't been keeping track!!! These
things will nickle and dime you FOR YEARS. If the guy doing a
restoration tells himself the truth, any car that has been done "right"
cost $20-25k if he did the work himself and $35-45k if you pay
professionals. For as long as a resto takes, you could work at McDonalds
for all those hours and buy a new Corvette with your wages...
 
I know exactly what Tom is saying when he writes "I have spent well over
20k". The truth is, I don't want to know the answer to "how much is well
over" on my own car - it would probably make me sick.

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Let's put it this way, I have bought better cars than this one for $500
and under that ran.  this sounds like a $200 car to me, not anywhere
near $2600.  Example:  I bought a 67 Chevelle 4 door, 300 Deluxe with a
230/powerglide, it ran, and I paid $300 for it.  I just picked up a 1972
Plymouth Fury.  The car is straight, barely any rust on it, has a 360 in
it, disc brakes, interior is clean, bought it for $100.
Honestly, I would pass on this one, seriously.  If you do not know how
to weld and fit your own panels (really not that hard even I can do
it), you will pay major $ into a car that is not worth it.  You
will never get your money back out of it should you choose to go that
route, trust me, I have been there.   My dad nad I did all the work on
my 70 SS.  The only thing farmed out was the paint which knowing what I
know I could probably do myself.  In parts alone, I have spent well over
$20,000.  I have had offers for $23,000 cash and declined them.

Tom 


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[Danny Wilsher]

I totally understand that 
excitement feeling. Had it all my life!
 Ðäññÿ ..  

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  From: 
  George Spatta 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 10:08 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Is it worth 
  it??
  
  Hi again,
   
  Thanks to all you guys who took the time to think 
  about & answer my question. I am definitely going to heed all of your 
  advice & pass on this car to find one with a more solid body, or at least 
  one where the welding is minimal. This being my 1st resto Chevelle (but not my 
  1st driver) I agree that it would be smarter to keep looking for something 
  more in my "experience zone". I couldn't help but get excited when I found 
  this Malibu barely 10 minutes away from where I work. It's funny how it's even 
  possible to get excited looking at a rusty heap but I guess that's something 
  only people who have been "bitten by the bug" would understand.
   
  Thanks again!
   
  George[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   

Re: [Chevelle-List] Is it worth it??

[George Spatta]

Hi again,
 
Thanks to all you guys who took the time to think 
about & answer my question. I am definitely going to heed all of your 
advice & pass on this car to find one with a more solid body, or at least 
one where the welding is minimal. This being my 1st resto Chevelle (but not my 
1st driver) I agree that it would be smarter to keep looking for something more 
in my "experience zone". I couldn't help but get excited when I found this 
Malibu barely 10 minutes away from where I work. It's funny how it's even 
possible to get excited looking at a rusty heap but I guess that's something 
only people who have been "bitten by the bug" would understand.
 
Thanks again!
 
George[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

Re: [Chevelle-List] Is it worth it??

[Danny Wilsher]

George,
    Sounds like 
too much for the amount that you are going to have to put into it to me. I 
haven't been looking for a car like this to buy for several years, but I am 
sure there is good bodies that won't need so much work for a lot less. Since I 
am on this list, I will be more in tune to what is on the market again. I just 
last night talked to a guy that had a 65 Impala 4 door for sale that was in real 
nice condition. If I had room for it, it would have been in my shop tonight. He 
was asking $2,800.00 for it but said he would take 2500. 283, 3sp on the column, 
SS Chevy wheels, and lots more that was nice. My point is that I think this 66 
is too much. But there again if it is what you are looking for and how bad you 
want it and if you want to put that much money and work into it... 
 Just my .02   .
 Ðäññÿ ..  

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  George Spatta 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 12:45 
  AM
  Subject: [Chevelle-List] Is it worth 
  it??
  
  Hi everyone,
   
  First let me say that I have enjoyed all of the 
  advice and postings here for a long time. This is the 1st time I have actually 
  posted to the list. I would like to get some opinions on a 66 Malibu I am 
  thinking about purchasing to do a frame off restoration of. It is a 2 door 
  Malibu hardtop and is in fairly rough shape. It basically needs rear quarters, 
  hood, trunk lid, doors, floors, & trunk metal. The interior with the 
  exception of the dash needs to be replaced. It also needs a new windshield. 
  The motor and tranny would be coming out so I'm not even considering them (a 
  350 backed by a powerglide). Essentially the car needs to be completely done. 
  There is no evidence of frame damage that I could find and the car is all 
  original although in terrible shape. I checked all the numbers (VIN & cowl 
  tag) and everything looks to be in order and original except for the motor. I 
  can do all of the mechanical work myself at home ( I have a job that permits 
  me a lot of free time) but I am not a welder and probably will have to farm 
  most of the body work out. I realize that just the replacement body panels 
  alone will cost a few thousand dollars. The guy is asking $2600 for the car 
  & I think I can get it cheaper. 
   
  I'm unsure of what to do because these cars are 
  becoming more rare by the day and everyone I do find has already been restored 
  and have large price tags. Is a car this rough worth that much (not being an 
  SS) as it is?? I will be building this car to drive and not worried about 
  making money on it at a later time!
   
  Thanks for reading and for any thoughts you may 
  have!
   
   
  George[EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [Chevelle-List] Is it worth it??

[John Nasta]

I could have driven mine as soon as the engine & tranny were in but I really
wanted to do the whole thing up first. It's very hard to drive a car and
restore it at the same time because half of your time gets spent fixing
things just to keep it on the road. Also, you can't get into anything that
will tie up the car past sundown because you usually need to drive it home,
or need it the next day, or whatever. I have been driving and slowly fixing
one of my Oldsmobiles for over 4 years now and didn't want to do that with
the El Camino. I wanted one car that was finished instead of 3 cars in the
perpetual project stage. Anyway, as long as you're having a good time,
that's what's important.

John Nasta



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I could buy something like that but I want an El Camino I can drive & enjoy
while modifying it.
Clint Hooper
LT5 Registry Director
Wichita Falls,Tx
(940) 855-6636
'91 ZR-1 Callaway Aerobody
TX TAGS: USA ZR1
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[Clint Hooper]

I could buy something like that but I want an El Camino I can drive & enjoy
while modifying it.
Clint Hooper
LT5 Registry Director
Wichita Falls,Tx
(940) 855-6636
'91 ZR-1 Callaway Aerobody
TX TAGS: USA ZR1
http://www.LT5Registry.net/
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From: John Nasta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Heck, I bought my El Camino for $200. Of course it had no engine or
> transmission in it, but that was the least expensive part of the resto
> anyway. The main thing you want to look for is a good body & frame IMO.
>
> John Nasta
> http://johnnasta.com/elcamino
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> This is sorta what I'm going through,right now. I can buy a driver 68-69
El
> Camino for around $3-4K but adding another couple of grand will allow me
to
> buy something really decent. $8K will buy an excellent Elky.
> Decisions,decisions.
> Clint Hooper
> LT5 Registry Director
> Wichita Falls,Tx
> (940) 855-6636
> '91 ZR-1 Callaway Aerobody
> TX TAGS: USA ZR1
> http://www.LT5Registry.net/
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RE: [Chevelle-List] Is it worth it??

[Dale McIntosh]

I'm with you there John.  Get a solid foundation to work with.

Dale McIntosh


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> 
> Heck, I bought my El Camino for $200. Of course it had no engine or
> transmission in it, but that was the least expensive part of the resto
> anyway. The main thing you want to look for is a good body & frame
IMO.
> 
> John Nasta
> http://johnnasta.com/elcamino
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RE: [Chevelle-List] Is it worth it??

[John Nasta]

Heck, I bought my El Camino for $200. Of course it had no engine or
transmission in it, but that was the least expensive part of the resto
anyway. The main thing you want to look for is a good body & frame IMO.

John Nasta
http://johnnasta.com/elcamino


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This is sorta what I'm going through,right now. I can buy a driver 68-69 El
Camino for around $3-4K but adding another couple of grand will allow me to
buy something really decent. $8K will buy an excellent Elky.
Decisions,decisions.
Clint Hooper
LT5 Registry Director
Wichita Falls,Tx
(940) 855-6636
'91 ZR-1 Callaway Aerobody
TX TAGS: USA ZR1
http://www.LT5Registry.net/


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[Clint Hooper]

This is sorta what I'm going through,right now. I can buy a driver 68-69 El
Camino for around $3-4K but adding another couple of grand will allow me to
buy something really decent. $8K will buy an excellent Elky.
Decisions,decisions.
Clint Hooper
LT5 Registry Director
Wichita Falls,Tx
(940) 855-6636
'91 ZR-1 Callaway Aerobody
TX TAGS: USA ZR1
http://www.LT5Registry.net/


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Re: [Chevelle-List] Is it worth it??

[Dan McIntosh]

Where do you live? I'm moving there!!! You can't 
pick up a rusted out 1982 Honda Civic in Cleveland for under 500 bucks, much 
less an old classic.
 
Dan McIntosh64 Impala SS
 
 

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  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 6:01 
  PM
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  it??
  Let's put it this way, I have 
  bought better cars than this one for $500 and under that ran.  this 
  sounds like a $200 car to me, not anywhere near $2600.  Example:  I 
  bought a 67 Chevelle 4 door, 300 Deluxe with a 230/powerglide, it ran, and I 
  paid $300 for it.  I just picked up a 1972 Plymouth Fury.  The car 
  is straight, barely any rust on it, has a 360 in it, disc brakes, interior is 
  clean, bought it for $100.Honestly, I would pass on this one, 
  seriously.  If you do not know how to weld and fit your own panels 
  (really not that hard even I can do it), you will pay major $ into a 
  car that is not worth it.  You will never get your money back out of it 
  should you choose to go that route, trust me, I have been there.   
  My dad nad I did all the work on my 70 SS.  The only thing farmed out was 
  the paint which knowing what I know I could probably do myself.  In parts 
  alone, I have spent well over $20,000.  I have had offers for $23,000 
  cash and declined them.Tom 

Re: [Chevelle-List] Is it worth it??

[Mach4]

Sounds expensive to me, considering what all needs to be done. Around here, 
$2600 would get a solid SS body/frame with quite a few of the SS 
parts, brought in from out west or southwest. These are still around, but you 
are right, they are getting harder to find.
 
We paid $800 three years ago for a '66 SS. No: hood, front fenders, 
stock steering wheel, radiator and support, interior anything, engine or tranny, 
an Olds 10-bolt rear end, decent tires/wheels. Good: all glass, all 
interior/exterior chrome & trim (ok condition), frame, trunk lid & 
inside, doors. One small hole behind each rear wheelwell. And some idiot had 
jumped on the roof & caved it in some. It came to WI from out west, and we 
are very happy to have one this solid to work on.
 
We now have a correct 396 engine on a very slow rebuild, a repro SS hood 
from Goodmark (and I do not know how well it fits yet, but some of the 
lines look kinda soft), radiator & shroud, a correct 12 bolt unknown 
ratio, used but solid '66 fenders, a 4-speed and a Turbo 400 with a console for 
each, and some of the bucket seat  interior. The roof is about 75% fixed, 
one quarter is done, and the other is started. And we are still under $2500 
invested, but we shop slow, don't buy much new or repro, do some swapping, and 
do have a few parts available from our piles.
 
Good luck on your search. It's all fun, but having a solid car to start 
with sure is more fun!!
 
Jim        central WI    
    ACES #2020        2 - '66 
SS's

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  George Spatta 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 1:45 
  AM
  Subject: [Chevelle-List] Is it worth 
  it??
  
  Hi everyone,
   
  First let me say that I have enjoyed all of the 
  advice and postings here for a long time. This is the 1st time I have actually 
  posted to the list. I would like to get some opinions on a 66 Malibu I am 
  thinking about purchasing to do a frame off restoration of. It is a 2 door 
  Malibu hardtop and is in fairly rough shape. It basically needs rear quarters, 
  hood, trunk lid, doors, floors, & trunk metal. The interior with the 
  exception of the dash needs to be replaced. It also needs a new windshield. 
  The motor and tranny would be coming out so I'm not even considering them (a 
  350 backed by a powerglide). Essentially the car needs to be completely done. 
  There is no evidence of frame damage that I could find and the car is all 
  original although in terrible shape. I checked all the numbers (VIN & cowl 
  tag) and everything looks to be in order and original except for the motor. I 
  can do all of the mechanical work myself at home ( I have a job that permits 
  me a lot of free time) but I am not a welder and probably will have to farm 
  most of the body work out. I realize that just the replacement body panels 
  alone will cost a few thousand dollars. The guy is asking $2600 for the car 
  & I think I can get it cheaper. 
   
  I'm unsure of what to do because these cars are 
  becoming more rare by the day and everyone I do find has already been restored 
  and have large price tags. Is a car this rough worth that much (not being an 
  SS) as it is?? I will be building this car to drive and not worried about 
  making money on it at a later time!
   
  Thanks for reading and for any thoughts you may 
  have!
   
   
  George[EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [Chevelle-List] Is it worth it??

[Bill Vander Werf]

Don't be in a hurry to buy something. You can find much better than you
describe for much less. If you start with a project that is more in line
with your abilities you are more likely to finish your project and
continue to love the hobby. Your abilities will grow with your
experience. You will make mistakes and some of them can be costly. Even
with experience that still happens.

I did bodywork and painting for a living at one time so I'm not terribly
intimidated by rust and other bodywork. I knew how much work restoration
is going in. I also know firsthand that there are many many projects
that never get finished in spite of all the good intentions...I'm
guilty. I looked for 2 years until I found a car that I liked. Now I'm 2
years and about $17000 into it and it's finally just about done.

Bill Vander Werf


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Yeah but  

Everyone is saying too much money and too much rust...and they are
right!   But if you took a class in welding and was willing to learn the
body work with help from a local Chevelle club or experts online..

...AND you got the price down some more. Might make it worth it?



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[MICRLASER]

Let's put it this way, I have bought better cars than this one for $500 and under that ran.  this sounds like a $200 car to me, not anywhere near $2600.  Example:  I bought a 67 Chevelle 4 door, 300 Deluxe with a 230/powerglide, it ran, and I paid $300 for it.  I just picked up a 1972 Plymouth Fury.  The car is straight, barely any rust on it, has a 360 in it, disc brakes, interior is clean, bought it for $100.
Honestly, I would pass on this one, seriously.  If you do not know how to weld and fit your own panels (really not that hard even I can do it), you will pay major $ into a car that is not worth it.  You will never get your money back out of it should you choose to go that route, trust me, I have been there.   My dad nad I did all the work on my 70 SS.  The only thing farmed out was the paint which knowing what I know I could probably do myself.  In parts alone, I have spent well over $20,000.  I have had offers for $23,000 cash and declined them.

Tom

RE: [Chevelle-List] Is it worth it??

[Chevelle 69]

Yeah but  

Everyone is saying too much money and too much rust...and they are
right!   But if you took a class in welding and was willing to learn the
body work with help from a local Chevelle club or experts online..

...AND you got the price down some more. Might make it worth it?

The money you'd save from doing it yourself would buy you lots of
equipment you'd have around afterwards and then many thousands more.
You'd still be buying a lot of sheet metal and putting a lot of work
into it. But if you shopped around and could find used parts that could
save some as well.

I sure hate to see any Chevelle go to the scrapper. But unless you are
willing to learn the body work and do it yourself then pass. Hopefully
someone that can do it themselves will pick it up.

Mine turned out to need a lot more sheet metal than I had imagined. But
I took a class in welding, got some experts over to give me an idea
where I was and a plan to go on from there. Will try to do it myself
with a little help from friends :)

  Steve

 



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[MICRLASER]

Way too much $$ for a rust bucket Malibu.  You are better off looking for car 
with the body  work done.

Tom

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[Craig A. Ellis]

Just MHO, but you'd be better off buying a rust-free car from out west -
even if it cost twice as much. Unless you enjoy the work and have the
time, skill and tools to do it yourself. You've listed a LOT of body
work. Also, when I did this, I had to decide whether I wanted to drive
it or show it. I chose to drive and, as a result, accepted a few
compromises that I would not accept in a show car (like AC, stone chips,
and the occassional french fry my kids grind into the carpet). Even with
a rust-free beginning, you're still going to have 20k in it one day...
 
Again, just MHO.

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Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 2:46 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Chevelle-List] Is it worth it??


Hi everyone,
 
First let me say that I have enjoyed all of the advice and postings here
for a long time. This is the 1st time I have actually posted to the
list. I would like to get some opinions on a 66 Malibu I am thinking
about purchasing to do a frame off restoration of. It is a 2 door Malibu
hardtop and is in fairly rough shape. It basically needs rear quarters,
hood, trunk lid, doors, floors, & trunk metal. The interior with the
exception of the dash needs to be replaced. It also needs a new
windshield. The motor and tranny would be coming out so I'm not even
considering them (a 350 backed by a powerglide). Essentially the car
needs to be completely done. There is no evidence of frame damage that I
could find and the car is all original although in terrible shape. I
checked all the numbers (VIN & cowl tag) and everything looks to be in
order and original except for the motor. I can do all of the mechanical
work myself at home ( I have a job that permits me a lot of free time)
but I am not a welder and probably will have to farm most of the body
work out. I realize that just the replacement body panels alone will
cost a few thousand dollars. The guy is asking $2600 for the car & I
think I can get it cheaper. 
 
I'm unsure of what to do because these cars are becoming more rare by
the day and everyone I do find has already been restored and have large
price tags. Is a car this rough worth that much (not being an SS) as it
is?? I will be building this car to drive and not worried about making
money on it at a later time!
 
Thanks for reading and for any thoughts you may have!
 
 
George
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[Richard Milkiewicz]

I'd pass on this one George, 2600 is a lot for 
something that needs that much work. I have a '66 that came from Oregon and is 
very straight and in good condition. I paid 5000 for it. The real problem comes 
when you start stripping it down and find all the hidden problems you missed or 
couldn't see. Having someone replace all that sheet metal will cost you a small 
fortune. If it was an original SS I'd say yes.
Rich"66 MalibuACES # 5066

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  George Spatta 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 2:45 
  AM
  Subject: [Chevelle-List] Is it worth 
  it??
  
  Hi everyone,
   
  First let me say that I have enjoyed all of the 
  advice and postings here for a long time. This is the 1st time I have actually 
  posted to the list. I would like to get some opinions on a 66 Malibu I am 
  thinking about purchasing to do a frame off restoration of. It is a 2 door 
  Malibu hardtop and is in fairly rough shape. It basically needs rear quarters, 
  hood, trunk lid, doors, floors, & trunk metal. The interior with the 
  exception of the dash needs to be replaced. It also needs a new windshield. 
  The motor and tranny would be coming out so I'm not even considering them (a 
  350 backed by a powerglide). Essentially the car needs to be completely done. 
  There is no evidence of frame damage that I could find and the car is all 
  original although in terrible shape. I checked all the numbers (VIN & cowl 
  tag) and everything looks to be in order and original except for the motor. I 
  can do all of the mechanical work myself at home ( I have a job that permits 
  me a lot of free time) but I am not a welder and probably will have to farm 
  most of the body work out. I realize that just the replacement body panels 
  alone will cost a few thousand dollars. The guy is asking $2600 for the car 
  & I think I can get it cheaper. 
   
  I'm unsure of what to do because these cars are 
  becoming more rare by the day and everyone I do find has already been restored 
  and have large price tags. Is a car this rough worth that much (not being an 
  SS) as it is?? I will be building this car to drive and not worried about 
  making money on it at a later time!
   
  Thanks for reading and for any thoughts you may 
  have!
   
   
  George[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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[Larry Fisher]

Sure wouldn't be worth that much to me. Maybe half 
what he's asking?

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  George Spatta 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 11:45 
  PM
  Subject: [Chevelle-List] Is it worth 
  it??
  
  Hi everyone,
   
  First let me say that I have enjoyed all of the 
  advice and postings here for a long time. This is the 1st time I have actually 
  posted to the list. I would like to get some opinions on a 66 Malibu I am 
  thinking about purchasing to do a frame off restoration of. It is a 2 door 
  Malibu hardtop and is in fairly rough shape. It basically needs rear quarters, 
  hood, trunk lid, doors, floors, & trunk metal. The interior with the 
  exception of the dash needs to be replaced. It also needs a new windshield. 
  The motor and tranny would be coming out so I'm not even considering them (a 
  350 backed by a powerglide). Essentially the car needs to be completely done. 
  There is no evidence of frame damage that I could find and the car is all 
  original although in terrible shape. I checked all the numbers (VIN & cowl 
  tag) and everything looks to be in order and original except for the motor. I 
  can do all of the mechanical work myself at home ( I have a job that permits 
  me a lot of free time) but I am not a welder and probably will have to farm 
  most of the body work out. I realize that just the replacement body panels 
  alone will cost a few thousand dollars. The guy is asking $2600 for the car 
  & I think I can get it cheaper. 
   
  I'm unsure of what to do because these cars are 
  becoming more rare by the day and everyone I do find has already been restored 
  and have large price tags. Is a car this rough worth that much (not being an 
  SS) as it is?? I will be building this car to drive and not worried about 
  making money on it at a later time!
   
  Thanks for reading and for any thoughts you may 
  have!
   
   
  George[EMAIL PROTECTED]