RE: IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant...
I recently attended an IP Telephony class at Mentor Technologies and it was a terrible class. The instructor (who turned out to be the VP of sales) was not very knowledgable about the product, although he did have a good deal of background on CVOICE. The entire class was very frustrated and I know the three of us from my company complained to both Cisco and our Mentor rep. After a few months of going back and forth, we've finally been a free class to replace the one we took. Shannon -Original Message- From: Circusnuts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 2:06 AM To: Priscilla Oppenheimer; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant... No Way Priscilla... "wr" is all it takes when hammering across the Hyper Term window ;-) I agree- that class sounds like a bummer. With you time in the field, what have you heard about refunds or complaints in cases such as this ??? Phil - Original Message - From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 10:47 PM Subject: RE: IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant... Sounds like your instructor didn't know BGP either. What a shame. You could ask for your money back... BTW, I like "cop run start" much better than "write mem." It's more intuitive. Not. ;-) Priscilla At 12:39 PM 3/19/01, Buri, Heather H wrote: Well, it may be like Z said earlier and that is...my instructor did not know what he was talking about. I thought 12.1 was still the most recent version but then again, I have not been on CCO recently upgrading my IOS's either. And...been too busy the past couple of days trying to get caught up from being gone for a week from work. I will check it out tonight. :-) Heather Buri CSC Technology Services - Houston Phone: (713)-961-8592 Fax:(713)-961-8249 Mobile: Alpha Page: Mailing:1360 Post Oak Blvd Suite 500 Houston, TX 77056 -Original Message- From: John Neiberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 12:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant... Wow, 13 already? That's pretty surprising since 12.1 isn't GD yet and 12.2 isn't even out yet. "Buri, Heather H" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/19/01 10:41:14 AM Hi Everyone. Well, I finished my BSCN course through Global Knowledge last week. I have to say I was kind of disappointed. I really was wanting to spend some good time on BGP and OSPF but we had to rush through it because we wasted a whole day going over RIP??? I thought this was supposed to be an advanced class! My opinion is the only refresher we should have been given on RIP is: Router Rip Anyways, the instructor said they started making the labs easier because too many people complained about them being too difficult??? :::sigh::: Oh well. Thank God for this list and I guess I will be saving myself $2000 on the CIT course now. I will be taking my exam on April 5. I wanted to study BGP and Policy Based routing some more. My instructor did mention Cisco was up to IOS release 13 already. This was news to me. He said it had been out for some time. My question is, has anyone been using it yet? My instructor did say that they finally did away with my favorite command... write mem. A sad, sad day! Well, I knew it was coming. I don't suppose "c r s" will work at the command line?? :-) Heather Buri CSC Technology Services - Houston Phone: (713)-961-8592 Fax:(713)-961-8249 Mobile: Alpha Page: Mailing:1360 Post Oak Blvd Suite 500 Houston, TX 77056 Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant...
Your instructor's actions don't sound much in line with the real world. Version 13 does not exist the IOS versions are only up to 12.1.(7). The closest GD is 12.0(9) Write Mem works on my 12.1(x) 4500 router. Lastly- I cannot believe someone teaching Routing 2.0 class would cover RIP not have time to cover BGP or OSPF. I'm taking that test Thursday my co-workers (some have taken it a recent as last week) tell me the exam is 80% BGP 20% OSPF. RIP is a CCNA topic. I'd be inclined to call Global Knowledge about this class. I get just under $5,000 a year in training money this would infuriate me to know I blew a chance getting ahead... Phil - Original Message - From: "Buri, Heather H" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 3:41 PM Subject: IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant... Hi Everyone. Well, I finished my BSCN course through Global Knowledge last week. I have to say I was kind of disappointed. I really was wanting to spend some good time on BGP and OSPF but we had to rush through it because we wasted a whole day going over RIP??? I thought this was supposed to be an advanced class! My opinion is the only refresher we should have been given on RIP is: Router Rip Anyways, the instructor said they started making the labs easier because too many people complained about them being too difficult??? :::sigh::: Oh well. Thank God for this list and I guess I will be saving myself $2000 on the CIT course now. I will be taking my exam on April 5. I wanted to study BGP and Policy Based routing some more. My instructor did mention Cisco was up to IOS release 13 already. This was news to me. He said it had been out for some time. My question is, has anyone been using it yet? My instructor did say that they finally did away with my favorite command... write mem. A sad, sad day! Well, I knew it was coming. I don't suppose "c r s" will work at the command line?? :-) Heather Buri CSC Technology Services - Houston Phone: (713)-961-8592 Fax: (713)-961-8249 Mobile: Alpha Page: Mailing: 1360 Post Oak Blvd Suite 500 Houston, TX 77056 -Original Message- From: Robert Padjen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 10:58 AM To: Chris Haller; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX I respectfully disagree with your summary point. I know at least three CCIEs (R/S) that can't network their way out of a paper bag. The odds are good that you'll find one that has the knowledge, but its not a guarantee. BTW - I have a number of co-workers that have failed the lab but can kick most butts out there! --- Chris Haller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I too am pursuing CCIE certification and have noticed a recent influx in people attempting and passing CCNP and CCIE written, especially the recent addition of hundreds of people on this board ... Anyway, CCNA, CCNP, CCDP ... CCIE Written, this means nothing. It is good, takes a good amoumt of work and is somewhat difficult to achieve, but if that's your issue, only interview LAB CERTIFIED CCIE's. There is no such thing as a "Paper LAB CCIE" If you pass the lab, you know your stuff .. WELL. HTH --- Adele Galus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mike; I find your comment very interesting, most positions state how many years of experience before applying. The only exceptions that I have seen with certification positions, is in the programing field. It's not the certification being a problem - it's the resources for people to obtain experience. My thoughts are that there needs to be more labs for people to work in when studying for their certification that are affordable or that it can be obtain. People need to be involved with study groups and they should do volunteer work or try working as a contractor. This problem became obvious when Cisco Microsoft started programs in San Jose for the welfare people to start becoming certified. Why did they do that What amazes me is how these people, that you are seeing, have passed the test my 03 cents worth. respectfully, adele Mike Davis wrote: I will probably get yelled at for this one but... I am a CCNA, CCDA, CCNP, and yes going after the CCIE. So up front I am not against certs. I am becoming aware of more and more people becoming Cisco certified and not know enough to go and actually do the work. Our company has and is interviewing for network folks, I have the opportunity to interview these people to verify technical experience. I have had CCNA, CCNP, and yes even CCIE written folks who could not tell me what they 'should' acutally know. This scares me because I am also working hard toward my
Re: IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant...
No Way Priscilla... "wr" is all it takes when hammering across the Hyper Term window ;-) I agree- that class sounds like a bummer. With you time in the field, what have you heard about refunds or complaints in cases such as this ??? Phil - Original Message - From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 10:47 PM Subject: RE: IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant... Sounds like your instructor didn't know BGP either. What a shame. You could ask for your money back... BTW, I like "cop run start" much better than "write mem." It's more intuitive. Not. ;-) Priscilla At 12:39 PM 3/19/01, Buri, Heather H wrote: Well, it may be like Z said earlier and that is...my instructor did not know what he was talking about. I thought 12.1 was still the most recent version but then again, I have not been on CCO recently upgrading my IOS's either. And...been too busy the past couple of days trying to get caught up from being gone for a week from work. I will check it out tonight. :-) Heather Buri CSC Technology Services - Houston Phone: (713)-961-8592 Fax:(713)-961-8249 Mobile: Alpha Page: Mailing:1360 Post Oak Blvd Suite 500 Houston, TX 77056 -Original Message- From: John Neiberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 12:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant... Wow, 13 already? That's pretty surprising since 12.1 isn't GD yet and 12.2 isn't even out yet. "Buri, Heather H" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/19/01 10:41:14 AM Hi Everyone. Well, I finished my BSCN course through Global Knowledge last week. I have to say I was kind of disappointed. I really was wanting to spend some good time on BGP and OSPF but we had to rush through it because we wasted a whole day going over RIP??? I thought this was supposed to be an advanced class! My opinion is the only refresher we should have been given on RIP is: Router Rip Anyways, the instructor said they started making the labs easier because too many people complained about them being too difficult??? :::sigh::: Oh well. Thank God for this list and I guess I will be saving myself $2000 on the CIT course now. I will be taking my exam on April 5. I wanted to study BGP and Policy Based routing some more. My instructor did mention Cisco was up to IOS release 13 already. This was news to me. He said it had been out for some time. My question is, has anyone been using it yet? My instructor did say that they finally did away with my favorite command... write mem. A sad, sad day! Well, I knew it was coming. I don't suppose "c r s" will work at the command line?? :-) Heather Buri CSC Technology Services - Houston Phone: (713)-961-8592 Fax:(713)-961-8249 Mobile: Alpha Page: Mailing:1360 Post Oak Blvd Suite 500 Houston, TX 77056 Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant...
At 05:05 AM 3/20/01, Circusnuts wrote: No Way Priscilla... "wr" is all it takes when hammering across the Hyper Term window ;-) I agree- that class sounds like a bummer. With you time in the field, what have you heard about refunds or complaints in cases such as this ??? I say she should go for it. Most training partners are very concerned with customer satisfaction and try their best to offer high-quality classes. My guess is that her instructor was new. That happens. (It can be extremely difficult to teach a new class, but that's not her problem ;-) If they won't give her a refund, they might at least let her attend again for free. I realize it can be hard to get away again and possibly spend more travel money, but it's better than nothing. Priscilla Phil - Original Message - From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 10:47 PM Subject: RE: IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant... Sounds like your instructor didn't know BGP either. What a shame. You could ask for your money back... BTW, I like "cop run start" much better than "write mem." It's more intuitive. Not. ;-) Priscilla At 12:39 PM 3/19/01, Buri, Heather H wrote: Well, it may be like Z said earlier and that is...my instructor did not know what he was talking about. I thought 12.1 was still the most recent version but then again, I have not been on CCO recently upgrading my IOS's either. And...been too busy the past couple of days trying to get caught up from being gone for a week from work. I will check it out tonight. :-) Heather Buri CSC Technology Services - Houston Phone: (713)-961-8592 Fax:(713)-961-8249 Mobile: Alpha Page: Mailing:1360 Post Oak Blvd Suite 500 Houston, TX 77056 -Original Message- From: John Neiberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 12:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant... Wow, 13 already? That's pretty surprising since 12.1 isn't GD yet and 12.2 isn't even out yet. "Buri, Heather H" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/19/01 10:41:14 AM Hi Everyone. Well, I finished my BSCN course through Global Knowledge last week. I have to say I was kind of disappointed. I really was wanting to spend some good time on BGP and OSPF but we had to rush through it because we wasted a whole day going over RIP??? I thought this was supposed to be an advanced class! My opinion is the only refresher we should have been given on RIP is: Router Rip Anyways, the instructor said they started making the labs easier because too many people complained about them being too difficult??? :::sigh::: Oh well. Thank God for this list and I guess I will be saving myself $2000 on the CIT course now. I will be taking my exam on April 5. I wanted to study BGP and Policy Based routing some more. My instructor did mention Cisco was up to IOS release 13 already. This was news to me. He said it had been out for some time. My question is, has anyone been using it yet? My instructor did say that they finally did away with my favorite command... write mem. A sad, sad day! Well, I knew it was coming. I don't suppose "c r s" will work at the command line?? :-) Heather Buri CSC Technology Services - Houston Phone: (713)-961-8592 Fax:(713)-961-8249 Mobile: Alpha Page: Mailing:1360 Post Oak Blvd Suite 500 Houston, TX 77056 Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant...
Yipe. I just now noticed this thread, and it breaks my heart to hear stories like this. Global Knowledge classes are guaranteed. I'm not sure Heather could get her money back inasmuch as she did sit the entire class, but I am certain they will let her sit the class again with a more experienced instructor. Hey, I'm teaching BSCN in Arlington, VA for Global Knowledge the week of April 23 . . . not scheduled for any Texas trips any time soon. For future reference, Global Knowledge WILL refund your money or reschedule you if you return your materials to the instructor by the end of the first day. Instructors are supposed to emphasize that during the introductory remarks. When you schedule the class, talk to the customer service people and ask them about the instructor. The best questions to ask are, "how long has this person been a Cisco-certified instructor," and "how many times has this person taught this class." The instructor schedules are published about a month in advance of the classes. I hope you won't get a bad impression of all Global Knowledge instructors because of this one. I have had the distinct pleasure of auditing BSCN, CATM and OSPF/BGP classes since joining Global Knowledge, and the instructors in each case were outstanding in every way, but beyond outstanding in terms of technical knowledge. And I'm a tough critic, believe me. For example, how about having CATM taught by someone who participated in the development of the protocols as a member of the ATM Forum working groups? Or BGP taught by someone whose consulting practice focuses on designing networks for national ISPs. And of course, the groupstudy.com founder, Paul Borghese, is a Global Knowledge instructor. ;-) Pamela On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote: At 05:05 AM 3/20/01, Circusnuts wrote: No Way Priscilla... "wr" is all it takes when hammering across the Hyper Term window ;-) I agree- that class sounds like a bummer. With you time in the field, what have you heard about refunds or complaints in cases such as this ??? I say she should go for it. Most training partners are very concerned with customer satisfaction and try their best to offer high-quality classes. My guess is that her instructor was new. That happens. (It can be extremely difficult to teach a new class, but that's not her problem ;-) If they won't give her a refund, they might at least let her attend again for free. I realize it can be hard to get away again and possibly spend more travel money, but it's better than nothing. Priscilla Phil - Original Message - From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 10:47 PM Subject: RE: IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant... Sounds like your instructor didn't know BGP either. What a shame. You could ask for your money back... BTW, I like "cop run start" much better than "write mem." It's more intuitive. Not. ;-) Priscilla At 12:39 PM 3/19/01, Buri, Heather H wrote: Well, it may be like Z said earlier and that is...my instructor did not know what he was talking about. I thought 12.1 was still the most recent version but then again, I have not been on CCO recently upgrading my IOS's either. And...been too busy the past couple of days trying to get caught up from being gone for a week from work. I will check it out tonight. :-) Heather Buri CSC Technology Services - Houston Phone: (713)-961-8592 Fax:(713)-961-8249 Mobile: Alpha Page: Mailing:1360 Post Oak Blvd Suite 500 Houston, TX 77056 -Original Message- From: John Neiberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 12:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant... Wow, 13 already? That's pretty surprising since 12.1 isn't GD yet and 12.2 isn't even out yet. "Buri, Heather H" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/19/01 10:41:14 AM Hi Everyone. Well, I finished my BSCN course through Global Knowledge last week. I have to say I was kind of disappointed. I really was wanting to spend some good time on BGP and OSPF but we had to rush through it because we wasted a whole day going over RIP??? I thought this was supposed to be an advanced class! My opinion is the only refresher we should have been given on RIP is: Router Rip Anyways, the instructor said they started making the labs easier because too many people complained about them being too difficult??? :::sigh::: Oh well. Thank God for this list and I guess I will be saving myself $2000 on the CIT course now. I will be taking my exam on April 5. I wanted to study BGP and Policy Based routing some more.
Re: IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant...
Wow, 13 already? That's pretty surprising since 12.1 isn't GD yet and 12.2 isn't even out yet. "Buri, Heather H" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/19/01 10:41:14 AM Hi Everyone. Well, I finished my BSCN course through Global Knowledge last week. I have to say I was kind of disappointed. I really was wanting to spend some good time on BGP and OSPF but we had to rush through it because we wasted a whole day going over RIP??? I thought this was supposed to be an advanced class! My opinion is the only refresher we should have been given on RIP is: Router Rip Anyways, the instructor said they started making the labs easier because too many people complained about them being too difficult??? :::sigh::: Oh well. Thank God for this list and I guess I will be saving myself $2000 on the CIT course now. I will be taking my exam on April 5. I wanted to study BGP and Policy Based routing some more. My instructor did mention Cisco was up to IOS release 13 already. This was news to me. He said it had been out for some time. My question is, has anyone been using it yet? My instructor did say that they finally did away with my favorite command... write mem. A sad, sad day! Well, I knew it was coming. I don't suppose "c r s" will work at the command line?? :-) Heather Buri CSC Technology Services - Houston Phone: (713)-961-8592 Fax:(713)-961-8249 Mobile: Alpha Page: Mailing:1360 Post Oak Blvd Suite 500 Houston, TX 77056 -Original Message- From: Robert Padjen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 10:58 AM To: Chris Haller; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX I respectfully disagree with your summary point. I know at least three CCIEs (R/S) that can't network their way out of a paper bag. The odds are good that you'll find one that has the knowledge, but its not a guarantee. BTW - I have a number of co-workers that have failed the lab but can kick most butts out there! --- Chris Haller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I too am pursuing CCIE certification and have noticed a recent influx in people attempting and passing CCNP and CCIE written, especially the recent addition of hundreds of people on this board ... Anyway, CCNA, CCNP, CCDP ... CCIE Written, this means nothing. It is good, takes a good amoumt of work and is somewhat difficult to achieve, but if that's your issue, only interview LAB CERTIFIED CCIE's. There is no such thing as a "Paper LAB CCIE" If you pass the lab, you know your stuff .. WELL. HTH --- Adele Galus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mike; I find your comment very interesting, most positions state how many years of experience before applying. The only exceptions that I have seen with certification positions, is in the programing field. It's not the certification being a problem - it's the resources for people to obtain experience. My thoughts are that there needs to be more labs for people to work in when studying for their certification that are affordable or that it can be obtain. People need to be involved with study groups and they should do volunteer work or try working as a contractor. This problem became obvious when Cisco Microsoft started programs in San Jose for the welfare people to start becoming certified. Why did they do that What amazes me is how these people, that you are seeing, have passed the test my 03 cents worth. respectfully, adele Mike Davis wrote: I will probably get yelled at for this one but... I am a CCNA, CCDA, CCNP, and yes going after the CCIE. So up front I am not against certs. I am becoming aware of more and more people becoming Cisco certified and not know enough to go and actually do the work. Our company has and is interviewing for network folks, I have the opportunity to interview these people to verify technical experience. I have had CCNA, CCNP, and yes even CCIE written folks who could not tell me what they 'should' acutally know. This scares me because I am also working hard toward my certs and the CCIE. But it has been proven and is showing up more that these people are becoming "paper" Cisco folks, as in the paper MCSE. I know and hope the CCIE LAB and title will remain as difficult if not more so in the future. I for one do not want to spend a year of my life gaining the CCIE title to be one among thousands who also have it. That is my insite and hope Cisco will try to make it more difficult to obtain the CCNP/DP and not become another MCSE program. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ,
RE: IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant...
Well, it may be like Z said earlier and that is...my instructor did not know what he was talking about. I thought 12.1 was still the most recent version but then again, I have not been on CCO recently upgrading my IOS's either. And...been too busy the past couple of days trying to get caught up from being gone for a week from work. I will check it out tonight. :-) Heather Buri CSC Technology Services - Houston Phone: (713)-961-8592 Fax:(713)-961-8249 Mobile: Alpha Page: Mailing:1360 Post Oak Blvd Suite 500 Houston, TX 77056 -Original Message- From: John Neiberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 12:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant... Wow, 13 already? That's pretty surprising since 12.1 isn't GD yet and 12.2 isn't even out yet. "Buri, Heather H" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/19/01 10:41:14 AM Hi Everyone. Well, I finished my BSCN course through Global Knowledge last week. I have to say I was kind of disappointed. I really was wanting to spend some good time on BGP and OSPF but we had to rush through it because we wasted a whole day going over RIP??? I thought this was supposed to be an advanced class! My opinion is the only refresher we should have been given on RIP is: Router Rip Anyways, the instructor said they started making the labs easier because too many people complained about them being too difficult??? :::sigh::: Oh well. Thank God for this list and I guess I will be saving myself $2000 on the CIT course now. I will be taking my exam on April 5. I wanted to study BGP and Policy Based routing some more. My instructor did mention Cisco was up to IOS release 13 already. This was news to me. He said it had been out for some time. My question is, has anyone been using it yet? My instructor did say that they finally did away with my favorite command... write mem. A sad, sad day! Well, I knew it was coming. I don't suppose "c r s" will work at the command line?? :-) Heather Buri CSC Technology Services - Houston Phone: (713)-961-8592 Fax:(713)-961-8249 Mobile: Alpha Page: Mailing:1360 Post Oak Blvd Suite 500 Houston, TX 77056 -Original Message- From: Robert Padjen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 10:58 AM To: Chris Haller; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX I respectfully disagree with your summary point. I know at least three CCIEs (R/S) that can't network their way out of a paper bag. The odds are good that you'll find one that has the knowledge, but its not a guarantee. BTW - I have a number of co-workers that have failed the lab but can kick most butts out there! --- Chris Haller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I too am pursuing CCIE certification and have noticed a recent influx in people attempting and passing CCNP and CCIE written, especially the recent addition of hundreds of people on this board ... Anyway, CCNA, CCNP, CCDP ... CCIE Written, this means nothing. It is good, takes a good amoumt of work and is somewhat difficult to achieve, but if that's your issue, only interview LAB CERTIFIED CCIE's. There is no such thing as a "Paper LAB CCIE" If you pass the lab, you know your stuff .. WELL. HTH --- Adele Galus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mike; I find your comment very interesting, most positions state how many years of experience before applying. The only exceptions that I have seen with certification positions, is in the programing field. It's not the certification being a problem - it's the resources for people to obtain experience. My thoughts are that there needs to be more labs for people to work in when studying for their certification that are affordable or that it can be obtain. People need to be involved with study groups and they should do volunteer work or try working as a contractor. This problem became obvious when Cisco Microsoft started programs in San Jose for the welfare people to start becoming certified. Why did they do that What amazes me is how these people, that you are seeing, have passed the test my 03 cents worth. respectfully, adele Mike Davis wrote: I will probably get yelled at for this one but... I am a CCNA, CCDA, CCNP, and yes going after the CCIE. So up front I am not against certs. I am becoming aware of more and more people becoming Cisco certified and not know enough to go and actually do the work. Our company has and is interviewing for network folks, I have the opportunity to interview these people to verify technical experience. I have had CCNA, CCNP, and yes even CCIE written folks who could not tell me what
RE: IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant...
unless he's talking about some private area on CCO there is no 13 yet I'm still waiting on 12.1 to go GD! Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of John Neiberger Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 7:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant... Wow, 13 already? That's pretty surprising since 12.1 isn't GD yet and 12.2 isn't even out yet. "Buri, Heather H" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/19/01 10:41:14 AM Hi Everyone. Well, I finished my BSCN course through Global Knowledge last week. I have to say I was kind of disappointed. I really was wanting to spend some good time on BGP and OSPF but we had to rush through it because we wasted a whole day going over RIP??? I thought this was supposed to be an advanced class! My opinion is the only refresher we should have been given on RIP is: Router Rip Anyways, the instructor said they started making the labs easier because too many people complained about them being too difficult??? :::sigh::: Oh well. Thank God for this list and I guess I will be saving myself $2000 on the CIT course now. I will be taking my exam on April 5. I wanted to study BGP and Policy Based routing some more. My instructor did mention Cisco was up to IOS release 13 already. This was news to me. He said it had been out for some time. My question is, has anyone been using it yet? My instructor did say that they finally did away with my favorite command... write mem. A sad, sad day! Well, I knew it was coming. I don't suppose "c r s" will work at the command line?? :-) Heather Buri CSC Technology Services - Houston Phone:(713)-961-8592 Fax: (713)-961-8249 Mobile: Alpha Page: Mailing: 1360 Post Oak Blvd Suite 500 Houston, TX 77056 -Original Message- From: Robert Padjen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 10:58 AM To: Chris Haller; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX I respectfully disagree with your summary point. I know at least three CCIEs (R/S) that can't network their way out of a paper bag. The odds are good that you'll find one that has the knowledge, but its not a guarantee. BTW - I have a number of co-workers that have failed the lab but can kick most butts out there! --- Chris Haller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I too am pursuing CCIE certification and have noticed a recent influx in people attempting and passing CCNP and CCIE written, especially the recent addition of hundreds of people on this board ... Anyway, CCNA, CCNP, CCDP ... CCIE Written, this means nothing. It is good, takes a good amoumt of work and is somewhat difficult to achieve, but if that's your issue, only interview LAB CERTIFIED CCIE's. There is no such thing as a "Paper LAB CCIE" If you pass the lab, you know your stuff .. WELL. HTH --- Adele Galus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mike; I find your comment very interesting, most positions state how many years of experience before applying. The only exceptions that I have seen with certification positions, is in the programing field. It's not the certification being a problem - it's the resources for people to obtain experience. My thoughts are that there needs to be more labs for people to work in when studying for their certification that are affordable or that it can be obtain. People need to be involved with study groups and they should do volunteer work or try working as a contractor. This problem became obvious when Cisco Microsoft started programs in San Jose for the welfare people to start becoming certified. Why did they do that What amazes me is how these people, that you are seeing, have passed the test my 03 cents worth. respectfully, adele Mike Davis wrote: I will probably get yelled at for this one but... I am a CCNA, CCDA, CCNP, and yes going after the CCIE. So up front I am not against certs. I am becoming aware of more and more people becoming Cisco certified and not know enough to go and actually do the work. Our company has and is interviewing for network folks, I have the opportunity to interview these people to verify technical experience. I have had CCNA, CCNP, and yes even CCIE written folks who could not tell me what they 'should' acutally know. This scares me because I am also working hard toward my certs and the CCIE. But it has been proven and is showing up more that these people are becoming "paper" Cisco folks, as in the paper MCSE. I know and h
Re: IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant...
This doesn't make me feel like taking a course from GK anytime soon. Making a simple mistake that it exists is one thing but saying its been out for "some time" is scary. Yep, this instructor is "up to date" with Cisco IOS. SO up to date he's seeing the future. Kevin Wigle - Original Message - From: "John Neiberger" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 1:07 PM Subject: Re: IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant... Wow, 13 already? That's pretty surprising since 12.1 isn't GD yet and 12.2 isn't even out yet. "Buri, Heather H" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/19/01 10:41:14 AM Hi Everyone. Well, I finished my BSCN course through Global Knowledge last week. I have to say I was kind of disappointed. I really was wanting to spend some good time on BGP and OSPF but we had to rush through it because we wasted a whole day going over RIP??? I thought this was supposed to be an advanced class! My opinion is the only refresher we should have been given on RIP is: Router Rip Anyways, the instructor said they started making the labs easier because too many people complained about them being too difficult??? :::sigh::: Oh well. Thank God for this list and I guess I will be saving myself $2000 on the CIT course now. I will be taking my exam on April 5. I wanted to study BGP and Policy Based routing some more. My instructor did mention Cisco was up to IOS release 13 already. This was news to me. He said it had been out for some time. My question is, has anyone been using it yet? My instructor did say that they finally did away with my favorite command... write mem. A sad, sad day! Well, I knew it was coming. I don't suppose "c r s" will work at the command line?? :-) Heather Buri CSC Technology Services - Houston Phone: (713)-961-8592 Fax: (713)-961-8249 Mobile: Alpha Page: Mailing: 1360 Post Oak Blvd Suite 500 Houston, TX 77056 -Original Message- From: Robert Padjen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 10:58 AM To: Chris Haller; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX I respectfully disagree with your summary point. I know at least three CCIEs (R/S) that can't network their way out of a paper bag. The odds are good that you'll find one that has the knowledge, but its not a guarantee. BTW - I have a number of co-workers that have failed the lab but can kick most butts out there! --- Chris Haller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I too am pursuing CCIE certification and have noticed a recent influx in people attempting and passing CCNP and CCIE written, especially the recent addition of hundreds of people on this board ... Anyway, CCNA, CCNP, CCDP ... CCIE Written, this means nothing. It is good, takes a good amoumt of work and is somewhat difficult to achieve, but if that's your issue, only interview LAB CERTIFIED CCIE's. There is no such thing as a "Paper LAB CCIE" If you pass the lab, you know your stuff .. WELL. HTH --- Adele Galus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mike; I find your comment very interesting, most positions state how many years of experience before applying. The only exceptions that I have seen with certification positions, is in the programing field. It's not the certification being a problem - it's the resources for people to obtain experience. My thoughts are that there needs to be more labs for people to work in when studying for their certification that are affordable or that it can be obtain. People need to be involved with study groups and they should do volunteer work or try working as a contractor. This problem became obvious when Cisco Microsoft started programs in San Jose for the welfare people to start becoming certified. Why did they do that What amazes me is how these people, that you are seeing, have passed the test my 03 cents worth. respectfully, adele Mike Davis wrote: I will probably get yelled at for this one but... I am a CCNA, CCDA, CCNP, and yes going after the CCIE. So up front I am not against certs. I am becoming aware of more and more people becoming Cisco certified and not know enough to go and actually do the work. Our company has and is interviewing for network folks, I have the opportunity to interview these people to verify technical experience. I have had CCNA, CCNP, and yes even CCIE written folks who could not tell me what they 'should' acutally know. This scares me because I am also working hard toward my certs and the CCIE. But it has been proven and is showing up more that these people are becoming "paper" Cisco folks
Re: IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant...
Chances are that your instructor was driving a cab or installing security alarms for a living a few months ago... Read the course material for factual information related to the exam. I wouldn't rely heavily on anything that an instructor said - there's not a lot of "value-add" there... Z From: "Buri, Heather H" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Buri, Heather H" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant... Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 11:41:14 -0600 Hi Everyone. Well, I finished my BSCN course through Global Knowledge last week. I have to say I was kind of disappointed. I really was wanting to spend some good time on BGP and OSPF but we had to rush through it because we wasted a whole day going over RIP??? I thought this was supposed to be an advanced class! My opinion is the only refresher we should have been given on RIP is: Router Rip Anyways, the instructor said they started making the labs easier because too many people complained about them being too difficult??? :::sigh::: Oh well. Thank God for this list and I guess I will be saving myself $2000 on the CIT course now. I will be taking my exam on April 5. I wanted to study BGP and Policy Based routing some more. My instructor did mention Cisco was up to IOS release 13 already. This was news to me. He said it had been out for some time. My question is, has anyone been using it yet? My instructor did say that they finally did away with my favorite command... write mem. A sad, sad day! Well, I knew it was coming. I don't suppose "c r s" will work at the command line?? :-) Heather Buri CSC Technology Services - Houston Phone: (713)-961-8592 Fax: (713)-961-8249 Mobile: Alpha Page: Mailing: 1360 Post Oak Blvd Suite 500 Houston, TX 77056 -Original Message- From: Robert Padjen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 10:58 AM To: Chris Haller; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX I respectfully disagree with your summary point. I know at least three CCIEs (R/S) that can't network their way out of a paper bag. The odds are good that you'll find one that has the knowledge, but its not a guarantee. BTW - I have a number of co-workers that have failed the lab but can kick most butts out there! --- Chris Haller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I too am pursuing CCIE certification and have noticed a recent influx in people attempting and passing CCNP and CCIE written, especially the recent addition of hundreds of people on this board ... Anyway, CCNA, CCNP, CCDP ... CCIE Written, this means nothing. It is good, takes a good amoumt of work and is somewhat difficult to achieve, but if that's your issue, only interview LAB CERTIFIED CCIE's. There is no such thing as a "Paper LAB CCIE" If you pass the lab, you know your stuff .. WELL. HTH --- Adele Galus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mike; I find your comment very interesting, most positions state how many years of experience before applying. The only exceptions that I have seen with certification positions, is in the programing field. It's not the certification being a problem - it's the resources for people to obtain experience. My thoughts are that there needs to be more labs for people to work in when studying for their certification that are affordable or that it can be obtain. People need to be involved with study groups and they should do volunteer work or try working as a contractor. This problem became obvious when Cisco Microsoft started programs in San Jose for the welfare people to start becoming certified. Why did they do that What amazes me is how these people, that you are seeing, have passed the test my 03 cents worth. respectfully, adele Mike Davis wrote: I will probably get yelled at for this one but... I am a CCNA, CCDA, CCNP, and yes going after the CCIE. So up front I am not against certs. I am becoming aware of more and more people becoming Cisco certified and not know enough to go and actually do the work. Our company has and is interviewing for network folks, I have the opportunity to interview these people to verify technical experience. I have had CCNA, CCNP, and yes even CCIE written folks who could not tell me what they 'should' acutally know. This scares me because I am also working hard toward my certs and the CCIE. But it has been proven and is showing up more that these people are becoming "paper" Cisco folks, as in the paper MCSE. I know and hope the CCIE LAB and title will remain as difficult if not more so in the future. I for one do not want to spend a year of my life gaining the CCIE
RE: IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant...
Sounds like your instructor didn't know BGP either. What a shame. You could ask for your money back... BTW, I like "cop run start" much better than "write mem." It's more intuitive. Not. ;-) Priscilla At 12:39 PM 3/19/01, Buri, Heather H wrote: Well, it may be like Z said earlier and that is...my instructor did not know what he was talking about. I thought 12.1 was still the most recent version but then again, I have not been on CCO recently upgrading my IOS's either. And...been too busy the past couple of days trying to get caught up from being gone for a week from work. I will check it out tonight. :-) Heather Buri CSC Technology Services - Houston Phone: (713)-961-8592 Fax:(713)-961-8249 Mobile: Alpha Page: Mailing:1360 Post Oak Blvd Suite 500 Houston, TX 77056 -Original Message- From: John Neiberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 12:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant... Wow, 13 already? That's pretty surprising since 12.1 isn't GD yet and 12.2 isn't even out yet. "Buri, Heather H" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/19/01 10:41:14 AM Hi Everyone. Well, I finished my BSCN course through Global Knowledge last week. I have to say I was kind of disappointed. I really was wanting to spend some good time on BGP and OSPF but we had to rush through it because we wasted a whole day going over RIP??? I thought this was supposed to be an advanced class! My opinion is the only refresher we should have been given on RIP is: Router Rip Anyways, the instructor said they started making the labs easier because too many people complained about them being too difficult??? :::sigh::: Oh well. Thank God for this list and I guess I will be saving myself $2000 on the CIT course now. I will be taking my exam on April 5. I wanted to study BGP and Policy Based routing some more. My instructor did mention Cisco was up to IOS release 13 already. This was news to me. He said it had been out for some time. My question is, has anyone been using it yet? My instructor did say that they finally did away with my favorite command... write mem. A sad, sad day! Well, I knew it was coming. I don't suppose "c r s" will work at the command line?? :-) Heather Buri CSC Technology Services - Houston Phone: (713)-961-8592 Fax:(713)-961-8249 Mobile: Alpha Page: Mailing:1360 Post Oak Blvd Suite 500 Houston, TX 77056 Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
re: IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant...
When I do my first lab of BGP, I use cisco 2500 with version 11.2. Ask for your money back! Johnny Sun Sounds like your instructor didn't know BGP either. What a shame. You could ask for your money back... BTW, I like "cop run start" much better than "write mem." It's more intuitive. Not. ;-) Priscilla At 12:39 PM 3/19/01, Buri, Heather H wrote: Well, it may be like Z said earlier and that is...my instructor did not know what he was talking about. I thought 12.1 was still the most recent version but then again, I have not been on CCO recently upgrading my IOS's either. And...been too busy the past couple of days trying to get caught up from being gone for a week from work. I will check it out tonight. :-) Heather Buri CSC Technology Services - Houston Phone: (713)-961-8592 Fax:(713)-961-8249 Mobile: Alpha Page: Mailing:1360 Post Oak Blvd Suite 500 Houston, TX 77056 -Original Message- From: John Neiberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 12:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant... Wow, 13 already? That's pretty surprising since 12.1 isn't GD yet and 12.2 isn't even out yet. "Buri, Heather H" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/19/01 10:41:14 AM Hi Everyone. Well, I finished my BSCN course through Global Knowledge last week. I have to say I was kind of disappointed. I really was wanting to spend some good time on BGP and OSPF but we had to rush through it because we wasted a whole day going over RIP??? I thought this was supposed to be an advanced class! My opinion is the only refresher we should have been given on RIP is: Router Rip Anyways, the instructor said they started making the labs easier because too many people complained about them being too difficult??? :::sigh::: Oh well. Thank God for this list and I guess I will be saving myself $2000 on the CIT course now. I will be taking my exam on April 5. I wanted to study BGP and Policy Based routing some more. My instructor did mention Cisco was up to IOS release 13 already. This was news to me. He said it had been out for some time. My question is, has anyone been using it yet? My instructor did say that they finally did away with my favorite command... write mem. A sad, sad day! Well, I knew it was coming. I don't suppose "c r s" will work at the command line?? :-) Heather Buri CSC Technology Services - Houston Phone: (713)-961-8592 Fax:(713)-961-8249 Mobile: Alpha Page: Mailing:1360 Post Oak Blvd Suite 500 Houston, TX 77056 Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
