Mixmaster is dead, long live wardriving

[Major Variola (ret)]

At 07:47 PM 12/9/04 -0800, Joseph Ashwood wrote:
>> If the Klan doesn't have
>> a right to wear pillowcases what makes you think mixmaster will
>> survive?
>
>Well besides the misinterprettaion of the ruling, which I will ignore,
what
>makes you think MixMaster isn't already dead?

OK, substitute "wardriving email injection when wardriving is otherwise
legal" for Mixmastering, albeit the former is less secure since the
injection lat/long is known.  And you need to use a disposable
Wifi card or at least one with a mutable MAC.

Or consider a Napster-level popular app which includes mixing or
onion routing.

Re: Blinky Rides Again: RCMP suspect al-Qaida messages

[Steve Thompson]

 --- "R.A. Hettinga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> Lions and Tigers and Steganography, Nell...
> 
> For those of you without a program, here is the new, official, Horsemen
> of
> the Infocalypse Scorecard:
> 
> At 3:14 PM -0400 10/3/04, R. A. Hettinga wrote:
> >   Horseman Color  Character   Nickname
> >
> >1  TerrorismRedShadow  "Blinky"
> >2  NarcoticsPink   Speedy  "Pinky"
> >3  Money Laundering Aqua   Bashful "Inky"
> >4  Paedophilia  Yellow Pokey   "Clyde"
> 
> Cheers,
> RAH
> ---
> 
> 
>  December 8, 2004
> 
>  RCMP suspect al-Qaida messages
> By JIM BRONSKILL



The RCMP couldn't find a hidden terrorist message even if someone shoved
half of it up the ass of Commissioner Giuliano Zaccardelli, and the other
half up the ass of Deputy Commissioner Paul Gauvin, and then sent them a
map with clear directions written on it leading directly to the location
of both assholes.

No, I don't like them at all.


Regards,

Steve


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Re: "Word" Of the Subgenius...

[Major Variola (ret)]

At 11:21 AM 12/9/04 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote:
>
>Well, May seemed to try to make the case that all of those "useles
eaters"
>were in large part responsible for the very existence of the state, and
that
>collapse of the state meant the inevitable downfall of huge numbers of
>minorities (why he focused on them as opposed to white trailer trash I
don't
>know).
>
>But he was definitely advocating that racist viewpoints fall naturally
out
>of a crypto-anarchic approach.

Tyler:

A rational person has to admit that many parasitic folks of all albedos
are able to exist
because they occupy a govt-funded niche.

Without a welfare govt, those people would either 1. subsist on private
(ie voluntary) charity, 2. become useful by necessity 3. die of
starvation
4. die during attempts to coerce others with violence.

Depending on your beliefs about human demographics/nature, you will
assign variable percentages to these outcomes.

It *is* racist to think that genotypes in each bin will differ *IFF* you

*don't* ascribe this outcome to culture associated with genotypes.

But culturism is not racism, its recognition of how behavior and
evolution work.  I subscribe to and will defend culturism.

(I speak for myself, not TM (tm), though I may or may not be a duly
appointed pope of the church of strong cryptography; though recently
I've been trending towards being an Earthquaker,
who believes in tectonics, esp. during seismic events.  Our vatican
is in Parkfield BTW :-)

Re: tangled context probe

[R.W. (Bob) Erickson]

Roy M. Silvernail wrote:
R.W. (Bob) Erickson wrote:
(curious thing about this spew, it keeps disappearing into the bit 
bucket, 

Yawn.  Roboposting this babble doesn't really increase its chances of 
getting read.  I work through JY because I know there's uranium in 
that ore.  But I'm about 2 posts away from ensconcing RW"B"E in my 
procmail file next to TM, choate and proffr.
OK, it was just an unknown context for me..
My sincere apologies for subjecting you to a decrease in signal to noise.
I know that I have to work on my presentation.
Without sufficient introduction  anything new is indistinguishable from 
cracked pottery.

The synthetic perspective I am toying with is built upon some premises 
from cogsci
In my opinion there are real strategic implications in the modern 
scientific perception of the individual as a tangle of competing  interests.
Self interest is one of given principles.
In so far as the "self" is a personal mythology,
and the irrationality of sheep hood is built in,
I think three could be policy implications.

As to the crypto relevance: context
Arranged signals can be anything at all.
If you don't share the context of the communicators,
you have no idea what they  convey
in their conversation about the "whether".
Once again, I plead stupidity for the duplicates
I will do penance
--bob

Re: "Word" Of the Subgenius...

[Steve Thompson]

 --- "J.A. Terranson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> 
> On Thu, 9 Dec 2004, Steve Thompson wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> (STANDING OVATION) (SOUNDS OF MANY HANDS CLAPPING)
> 
> Thank you Steve, for that short but entertaining look into the dark
> recesses of our collective consciousness :-)

That's what I'm here for.  Now, perhaps we can get back to discussing
issues with more direct relevance to cypherpunks?


Regards,

Steve


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Re: punkly current events

[Gabriel Rocha]

On Dec 10 2004, Eugen Leitl wrote:
| 
| Because nodes are not geographically constrained to US jurisdiction?
| 
| If mixter won't survive, it's due to spammers, and malware spreaders.

The latter statement my well be true, I don't use the network, nor know
the ratios of good/bad traffic. But I am very curious to find out what
would be considered geographically "safe" jurisdictions in this sense.
Not just today, but given the general trend, where would you see such a
jurisdition being found in a year or five or ten?

Re: Blinky Rides Again: RCMP suspect al-Qaida messages

[Steve Thompson]

 --- "R.W. (Bob) Erickson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> Steve Thompson wrote:
> >[assholes]
>
> You tell them, Steve

I believe I just did.
 
> Insanity is a great cover for an insurectionist!

I suppose it could be, although I am give to belive that residents of the
White Room Hotel may only carry out insurection in the program room, and
even then only while under direct adult supervision.  I have been told
that this makes the task somewhat more difficult, what with the sometimes
necessity of colouring outside the lines on the page (so to speak).


Regards,

Steve


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Re: tangled context probe

[Tyler Durden]

As to the crypto relevance: context Arranged signals can be anything at 
all. If you don't share the context of the communicators, you have no idea 
what they  convey in their conversation about the "whether".
That's a stretch. Soon you'll say that Post-modernist literary theory is 
Cypherpunkish content because it deals with 'context'.

I suggest you take up your theories with Mr Choate and the Dallas 
Cypherpunk(s). In that 'context' your posts will appear lucid.

-TD

From: "R.W. (Bob) Erickson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Roy M. Silvernail" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: tangled context probe
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:29:21 -0500
Roy M. Silvernail wrote:
R.W. (Bob) Erickson wrote:
(curious thing about this spew, it keeps disappearing into the bit 
bucket,

Yawn.  Roboposting this babble doesn't really increase its chances of 
getting read.  I work through JY because I know there's uranium in that 
ore.  But I'm about 2 posts away from ensconcing RW"B"E in my procmail 
file next to TM, choate and proffr.
OK, it was just an unknown context for me..
My sincere apologies for subjecting you to a decrease in signal to noise.
I know that I have to work on my presentation.
Without sufficient introduction  anything new is indistinguishable from 
cracked pottery.

The synthetic perspective I am toying with is built upon some premises from 
cogsci
In my opinion there are real strategic implications in the modern 
scientific perception of the individual as a tangle of competing  
interests.
Self interest is one of given principles.
In so far as the "self" is a personal mythology,
and the irrationality of sheep hood is built in,
I think three could be policy implications.

As to the crypto relevance: context
Arranged signals can be anything at all.
If you don't share the context of the communicators,
you have no idea what they  convey
in their conversation about the "whether".
Once again, I plead stupidity for the duplicates
I will do penance
--bob

Re: Timing Paranoia

[Steve Thompson]

 --- "R.W. (Bob) Erickson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> One of the tools currently being used in the cognitive sciences is the 
> measurement of reaction time to stimulus.

What's this?  The cognitive equivalent to wacking someone on the knee with
a rubber hammer to measure the mentak kick reflex of the subject?

> It turns out that the length of time it takes to given situations is a 
> credible proxy for how difficult the discrimination is to make.

For the individual subject.  I would imagine that such testing would
(among other things) allow some measurement of the thoughtfullness put
into a response.  Careful construction of the tests to control for various
factors might then allow inferences to be made about the relative
sophistication to be found in the cognitive structures involved in the
test-response on a subject-by-subject basis.

> Imagine a paranoia  involving  mysterious e-mail delays and the length 
> of time it takes to catagorize

Imagine hordes of otherwise unemployable psychologists and cognitive
psychologists deployed on mailing lists and Usenet, harassing the fuck out
of `persons of interest'.  Civil rights, for the majority of the civilian
population, are entirely non-existent for all intents and purposes.  I
imagine that a great many self-styled scientists are happily engaged in
the cultivation and acquisition of psycho-social data and knowledge, in
public fora, without too much thought about the morality of their
intrusive meddling in the commons.

All in the name of science, of course.


Regards,

Steve


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Re: Timing Paranoia

[R.W. (Bob) Erickson]

Roy M. Silvernail wrote:
Steve Thompson wrote:
--- "R.W. (Bob) Erickson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  

Imagine a paranoia  involving  mysterious e-mail delays and the 
length of time it takes to catagorize
  

Imagine hordes of otherwise unemployable psychologists and cognitive
psychologists deployed on mailing lists and Usenet, harassing the 
fuck out
of `persons of interest'.

Imagine using observed timing to conclude that your agent provocateur 
operates from geostationary orbit.

R. W. may be annoying, but at least he's derivative.
Total novelty is a fiction.
If its not familiar, you wouldnt recognize it
We all work with the same handicaps
but some of us have agenda's
and others have excuses.
I am a collection of projects,
mine is the semantic path,
if anything of significance is missed,
I'll send back reports from the other side
--bob
maker of absurtities
no tangle too complex
to fit through the I of  my needle

Re: punkly current events

[Eugen Leitl]

On Fri, Dec 10, 2004 at 06:01:25AM -0500, Gabriel Rocha wrote:

> The latter statement my well be true, I don't use the network, nor know
> the ratios of good/bad traffic. But I am very curious to find out what

I don't have data either. I'm guessing the "bad" traffic part is 95-98%.
(I'm extrapolating from absence, as the only responses to the abuse address
were people harassed by idiots).

> would be considered geographically "safe" jurisdictions in this sense.
> Not just today, but given the general trend, where would you see such a
> jurisdition being found in a year or five or ten?

While there is a distinct trend in NA, EU and elsewhere to try to snoop, and
to control, it's not obvious the development is permanent, and irreversible.
P2P traffic in general is increasing, and trivial remixing and encryption is
becoming more and more widespread (arrr!). Spam and malware traffic also 
increases the noise level. You could claim your machine was infected with
mixmaster malware, or something.

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Re: punkly current events

[R.A. Hettinga]

At 6:33 PM -0800 12/9/04, Major Variola (ret) wrote:
>If the Klan doesn't have
>a right to wear pillowcases what makes you think mixmaster will
>survive?

"Which was me point", mutters Killick, under his breath...

Cheers,
RAH

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"... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

Nul Context

[R.W. (Bob) Erickson]

Communication is about context
Sometimes the context is so obvious that the frame is nearly invisible, 
sometimes the context is so subtle that indications of obvious 
significance can only be detected after much study.

Language and meaning involve sharing of contexts.
This is obvious, what is less obvious is the way that communication 
implicates a context one might call, A Theory of Mind

What does this mean? Well a lot of it is hidden in what we call common 
sense, or folk psychology. You know what I mean because I'm behaving 
conventionally in my choice of words, and saying stuff that makes sense.

When we use language conventionally, we talk about things that are 
happening and what people are thinking. When we talk about things that 
matter we wonder what others think. We think about what other people are 
thinking, all the time.

It’s a common enough usage of language, and quite comprehensible. Which 
makes it all the more peculiar that for a long time science had a weird 
rule that said that unempirical terms like intention and purpose, not to 
mention perception and comprehension were "metaphysical nonsense".

Science has come a long way since the logical positivists held sway. Its 
not that they were wrong, the problem was they couldn’t be right. The 
original proof that they were wrong was at hand for most of the 20th 
century, in the interference pattern between the works of Wittgenstein 
and Gödel,

As recently as the middle of the last century, back when Chomsky was 
doing his seminal work in deep structures, psychology was firmly stuck 
with Pavlovian Reflexes and Skinner Boxes and vigorously opposed 
adopting any working theory of mind. Stimulus Response Theory just cant 
handle task of explaining what an artist does. Into this context, Modern 
Linguistics was born.

Re: tangled context probe

[R.W. (Bob) Erickson]

Tyler Durden wrote:
As to the crypto relevance: context Arranged signals can be anything 
at all. If you don't share the context of the communicators, you have 
no idea what they  convey in their conversation about the "whether".

That's a stretch. Soon you'll say that Post-modernist literary theory 
is Cypherpunkish content because it deals with 'context'.

I suggest you take up your theories with Mr Choate and the Dallas 
Cypherpunk(s). In that 'context' your posts will appear lucid.

-TD
No,  all that european bs is only relevent because it adds to the 
piling  evidence of irrationality.
Whats the connect between irrationality an C-punks?
Well aside from colorful characters
its also key to any understanding of the minimum mass mind.
There are policy implications inherent in innate incomplitence and 
compliance.

There are also important ecconomic understandings
that hinge upon understanding irrational choices
c.f hyperbolic discounting, aka matching theory.
There are also techie implications:
The human semantic competency is hackable
--bob

re: tangled context probe

[R.W. (Bob) Erickson]

(curious thing about this spew, it keeps disappearing into the bit 
bucket, I know its raw verbiage, but is it so incoherent it 
self-destructs? -bob)

Process and perception

This capacity for making high order discriminations about relationships
between objects in our world, can be taken as the proper function of our
cognitive competency. The attribute of intentionality, to this way of
thinking, is best understood as "work product" of a discrete sub-module
of our brain.
We infer agency from our observations. What is agency? Well first and
foremost, it is that which is recognizable to the competencies in
process, that form these judgments.
Does this sound circular? Surely it is circular in a crucial sense. All
that we "know" comes to our attention as the work product of process in
various competencies. Ultimately the "authority" of  these high order
discriminations comes not from a judgment about the correlation between
our perceptions and the state of the "objective" world, but instead from
their immediacy. This is to say that we do not perceive and then make
judgments, our first awareness of every "thing"  is located in the
moment that the competent module forms some thing out of the possibilities.
These awareness's are not in the semantic domain. Our knowing of
particular attributes precedes the semantic transform that tags and
packages up insights, for storage and shipping. We know what we know and
we apologize for not being able to convey this knowing more effectively.
That we are able to communicate at all, is a testament to the power of
trial and error and the phenomenal similarity of our minds. This
similarity is not accidental. Even as each person is an absolutely
unique instance of humanity, what we are, is the embodiment of a
phenomenally complex tangle of historical accomplishments that is
fundamentally common to us all.
Creativity emerges via the capacity/ability to merge contexts

Biological instrumentality:
The complex objects of our knowings come to our awareness as
circumstances demand, literally selected by their features. Apprehension
of the world via a sophisticatedly evolved biological instrumentality is
an entropy hack. Life is the opportunistic bloom of a viral exploitation
of regularity in the universe.

In the beginning there was sequence, and it begat pattern and context
space. Within every context space there is a tree of combinatorial
consequences some leaves of which are potentially lucky. Blind evolution
isn't trial and error testing of mistakes (mutations), it is the random
testing of legal combinations

So who set up the game, where did the rules come from, and the design
language?

The dynamic core of our consciousness consists of transient alignments
of Feature Value - Action loops that compete for selection in a
flicker-dance-sort of associations and sensory stimuli.



Perception is a physics hack. Timing is everything. Three dimensionality
is accessible to us via  a cross mapping within the temporal manifold.
Propagation of coherent correlations between map-mapped sheets of
neurons act as a massively parallel delay line with multiple taps.
Because both spatial and temporal coherence is preserved, the network
sorts up the objects of perception and tracks them real time. Reality is
best fit. Misperceptions happen, but its better than being blind.

Our competency at this is not postulated, it is stipulated that the high
order discriminations we perceive as qualia are exactly as amazing as
the incredible complexity of the neurological stack that gives us them.
Intentionality is an emergent design goal in secondary consciousness.
(before getting upset about intentional language, remember that it works
because reality fits.)


Phenomenal transform is a semantic label for a context shift. If you
insist on thinking of it as a happening, what's happening is that we
find ourselves switching lexicons when we discuss certain things. Its
not a description of a change of state in the object, it is a handle for
referring to a pragmatic feature of discourse about it.

The important thing to realize is that this sorting out of the features
of the objects of our perception usually is done before we are aware of
the process, but this does not mean that the process is different for
hard discriminations, just that they are taking longer than the ~400ms
self context loop, that feeds a product of the net's immediate state
back into itself. Think convolving and converging. Discrimination occurs
opportunistically, our competencies do not require conscious attention.
In the formation of PV Action loops each project become one of the
factions in our interior parliament.

We have lots of timing to tap. Response times, flicker fusion times,
saccades, pulse, peristalsis, menstruation. The royal road to cognitive
illumination is the path of chronus.
--bob
"me, I'm just a lawn mower"

[p2p-hackers] Re: Memory and reputation calculation

[Tim Benham]

> From: MULLER Guillaume <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:33:39 +0100
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Hi all,
>
> Right, I would have cited Dellarocas' papers also because he is the only=20
> one I know that worked on this subject.
>
> However, IMHO, his claim that size of history doesn't matter is false.=20
> He took this conclusion in very a specific domain that is eBay-like=20
> market-places with very specific assumption (cf. cited paper).
>
> My idea is that size of history DOES matter. Let's imagine a system=20
> (even eBay-like) where every agent *knows* that the history is a list of=20
> the X last encounters experiences. Then it is easy to see that cheating=20
> 1/X times  is a strategy that pays off (particularly in systems where=20
> ratings might be noisy).
>
> IMHO, the key point with respect to the history is that others should=20
> not be able guess its size. If it has a fixed size, I believe it doesn't=20
> matter if (and only if) other can guess its size (and therefore cannot=20
> use strategy as described above).
>
> However, I'm sorry I didn't have time to make any experimentations, but=20
> I'd like to hear if anybody has.

(1) You'll never eliminate cheating.

(2) Making the size of the history file a secret is probably unworkable. 
Better to make deletion from the history non-deterministic, so the longer a 
record has been been in the list the more likely it is to get dropped. A 
potential cheater would never be certain when the incriminating evidence 
would be gone. 

If which records were disreputable was known then their lifetime could be 
extended.

cheers,
Tim

Re: Insurrectionist covers

[Justin]

On 2004-12-10T15:50:22-0500, Steve Thompson wrote:
> 
>  --- "R.W. (Bob) Erickson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> > Steve Thompson wrote:
> > 
> > > --- "R.W. (Bob) Erickson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> > > [Colouring outside the lines]
> > >
> > Yes, you have a point there.I guess a better cover would be as local 
> > coordinator of Neighborhood Watch
> 
> c.f. "Take back the night", et. cetera.  (And put it where?)
> 
> Anyhow, isn't insurrection illegal or something?  ISTR reading about the
> natural right of the corrupt state to exist unconditionally, and it's
> obligation to crush any question of change for any reason.
> 
> The structure of the state in fact defines its identity as a 'person'; and
> since changeing the state structure could be viewed as the murder of the
> state's personality, the state has the right, nay, obligation to preserve
> its identity unchanged.  (Isn't this pretty much polysci 101 material?)

Not typically.  The idea that the state has its own identity is obvious,
because it has a name -- the "state".  It is clearly an atomic entity,
in the same sense as a beehive or ant colony (to borrow unapologetically
from R. Dawkins).  However, discussion of the state as an singular
entity that acts to preserve itself is typically delayed until study of
Leviathan.  Then it's expanded when studying Kant's theory of
International Relations.

Those are typically 2nd-year courses, at a minimum.  IR is typically 3rd
or 4th year, but Leviathan is discussed in any number of classes, just
not polysci 101.

RE: Blinky Rides Again: RCMP suspect al-Qaida messages

[Trei, Peter]

J.A. Terranson wrote:
> (4) I have yet to meet a full dozen people who share my 
> belief that while stego *may* be in use, if it is, that 
> use is for one way messages of semaphore-class messages 
> only.  I really do not understand why this view
> is poopoo'd by all sides, so I must be pretty dense?

For semaphores and codewords, stego isn't needed. Simply
agree on a signal - if a post appears in 
alt.anonymous.messages with the subject "To JAT", the
intended recipient has got all the info he needs.

Stego is needed only when the message is too complex
to have a codeword.

Even without software, 'numbers station' type 
transmissions can be sent anonymously through the net.

Re: tangled context probe

[Tyler Durden]

Well, when you put it that way, that changes everything.
All is now clear. Please continue downloading the syntactic mappings of 
random neural firing...I'm using your output to seed a random number 
generator.

Oh, and don't forget to cc Choate.
-TD

From: "R.W. (Bob) Erickson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Tyler Durden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED],  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: tangled context probe
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 12:27:08 -0500
Tyler Durden wrote:
As to the crypto relevance: context Arranged signals can be anything at 
all. If you don't share the context of the communicators, you have no 
idea what they  convey in their conversation about the "whether".

That's a stretch. Soon you'll say that Post-modernist literary theory is 
Cypherpunkish content because it deals with 'context'.

I suggest you take up your theories with Mr Choate and the Dallas 
Cypherpunk(s). In that 'context' your posts will appear lucid.

-TD
No,  all that european bs is only relevent because it adds to the piling  
evidence of irrationality.
Whats the connect between irrationality an C-punks?
Well aside from colorful characters
its also key to any understanding of the minimum mass mind.
There are policy implications inherent in innate incomplitence and 
compliance.

There are also important ecconomic understandings
that hinge upon understanding irrational choices
c.f hyperbolic discounting, aka matching theory.
There are also techie implications:
The human semantic competency is hackable
--bob

RE: punkly current events

[Trei, Peter]

Eugen Leitl
> You could claim your machine was infected with
> mixmaster malware, or something.

Now that would be an interesting worm - one
which, instead of installing a spamalator,
installed a remailer and posted public keys
and contact info to usenet.

(Disclaimer: No, I don't do things like that).

Peter

Re: tangled context probe

[R.A. Hettinga]

At 10:56 AM -0500 12/10/04, Roy M. Silvernail wrote:
>But I'm about 2 posts away from ensconcing RW"B"E in my procmail
>file

What's taking you so long?

:-)

Cheers,
RAH
cf: various imprecations against feeding trolls &cet...
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[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

Re: tangled contexts

[Steve Thompson]

 --- "R.W. (Bob) Erickson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> Process and perception
> [snip]
> We have lots of timing to tap. Response times, flicker fusion times, 
> saccades, pulse, peristalsis, menstruation. The royal road to cognitive 
> illumination is the path of chronus.
 
If you go about tapping the peristaltic functions of the general public,
you will definately get in shit.  Why, you might even get your hands
dirty.


Regards,

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Re: punkly current events

[J.A. Terranson]

On Thu, 9 Dec 2004, Major Variola (ret) wrote:

> Someone should have commented here, so I will, that some judges (earning
>
> hanging) basically said that anonymity is not a right.  This
> in the context of mask-wearing in public.  If the Klan doesn't have
> a right to wear pillowcases what makes you think mixmaster will
> survive?

Mixmaster's death is in fact coming - you can bank on it.  Every fed I
know is violently aware of every operating remailer.

-- 
Yours,

J.A. Terranson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
0xBD4A95BF

 Civilization is in a tailspin - everything is backwards, everything is
upside down- doctors destroy health, psychiatrists destroy minds, lawyers
destroy justice, the major media destroy information, governments destroy
freedom and religions destroy spirituality - yet it is claimed to be
healthy, just, informed, free and spiritual. We live in a social system
whose community, wealth, love and life is derived from alienation,
poverty, self-hate and medical murder - yet we tell ourselves that it is
biologically and ecologically sustainable.

The Bush plan to screen whole US population for mental illness clearly
indicates that mental illness starts at the top.

Rev Dr Michael Ellner

Cypherpunks archives online

[Nomen Nescio]

There were some talk about archives here recently.

I found two here:
http://www.mail-archive.com/index.php?hunt=cypherpunks

And this does indeed seem to be an active archive of the list:
http://www.mail-archive.com/cypherpunks%40minder.net/

Re: Timing Paranoia

[Steve Thompson]

 --- "Roy M. Silvernail" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> Steve Thompson wrote:
> > [imagine]
>
> Imagine using observed timing to conclude that your agent provocateur 
> operates from geostationary orbit.

That would be a neat trick considering the variety of likely signal path
lengths to be found in the terrestial telephone network or the terrestial
Internet.  All in all, there are so many varibles in such conjecture as to
make the hypothesis largely indeterminate.

But it is amusing to consider the potential existence of the CIA Orbital
Alien Mind Control Laser Cannon(tm).
 
> R. W. may be annoying, but at least he's derivative.

Derivative of what, exactly?


Regards,

Steve



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Re: Timing Paranoia

[Roy M. Silvernail]

Steve Thompson wrote:
--- "R.W. (Bob) Erickson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
 

Imagine a paranoia  involving  mysterious e-mail delays and the length 
of time it takes to catagorize
   

Imagine hordes of otherwise unemployable psychologists and cognitive
psychologists deployed on mailing lists and Usenet, harassing the fuck out
of `persons of interest'.
Imagine using observed timing to conclude that your agent provocateur 
operates from geostationary orbit.

R. W. may be annoying, but at least he's derivative.
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Re: "Word" Of the Subgenius...

[Steve Thompson]

 --- Tyler Durden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> [snip]
> Sounds like a fuckin' party, if you ask me! Quit bogartin' that J...
 
Oh, sure.  It wasn't all bad.  Just ask the chick who is known in certain
circles as Nefertiti.  (That's her code-name).  We had an excellent time
together; or at least we did until the wheels fell off... But that's a
story for another day.

While we're speaking of pot, I should note that the grass available in
this neck of the woods is substandard at best.  What with all the illegal
suburban grow-ops in Toronto, you'd think one would be able to buy
half-decent weed from time to time.  But no... It's all crap.


Regards,

Steve


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Re: Blinky Rides Again: RCMP suspect al-Qaida messages

[R.W. (Bob) Erickson]

Steve Thompson wrote:
--- "R.A. Hettinga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
 

Lions and Tigers and Steganography, Nell...
For those of you without a program, here is the new, official, Horsemen
of
the Infocalypse Scorecard:
At 3:14 PM -0400 10/3/04, R. A. Hettinga wrote:
   

 Horseman Color  Character   Nickname
1  TerrorismRedShadow  "Blinky"
2  NarcoticsPink   Speedy  "Pinky"
3  Money Laundering Aqua   Bashful "Inky"
4  Paedophilia  Yellow Pokey   "Clyde"
 

Cheers,
RAH
---

December 8, 2004
RCMP suspect al-Qaida messages
By JIM BRONSKILL
   


The RCMP couldn't find a hidden terrorist message even if someone shoved
half of it up the ass of Commissioner Giuliano Zaccardelli, and the other
half up the ass of Deputy Commissioner Paul Gauvin, and then sent them a
map with clear directions written on it leading directly to the location
of both assholes.
No, I don't like them at all.
Regards,
Steve
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You tell them, Steve
Insanity is a great cover for an insurectionist!

Re: tangled context probe

[Will Morton]

Roy M. Silvernail wrote:
R.W. (Bob) Erickson wrote:
(curious thing about this spew, it keeps disappearing into the bit 
bucket, 

Yawn.  Roboposting this babble doesn't really increase its chances of 
getting read.  I work through JY because I know there's uranium in 
that ore.  But I'm about 2 posts away from ensconcing RW"B"E in my 
procmail file next to TM, choate and proffr.

   Is there a term for messages that are indistinguishable from those 
generated by Dissociated Press or one of its superior modern cousins?  A 
kind of inverse Turing Test?

   W

RE: Blinky Rides Again: RCMP suspect al-Qaida messages

[John Kelsey]

>From: "J.A. Terranson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Dec 9, 2004 1:19 PM
>To: Tyler Durden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: Blinky Rides Again: RCMP suspect al-Qaida messages

.
>As recently as two years ago, I had a classroom full of cops (mostly fedz
>from various well-known alphabets) who knew *nothing* about stego.  And I
>mean *NOTHING*.  They got a pretty shallow intro: here's a picture, and
>here's the secret message inside it, followed by an hour of theory and
>how-to's using the simplest of tools - every single one of them was just
>blown away. Actually, that's not true - the Postal Inspectors were bored,
>but everyone _else_ was floored.

But the real thing they needed to know was "there can be hidden information in 
files that look innocent" and what they need to do to find that hidden 
information.  I expect the answer to that will involve either shipping it off 
to some expert at the FBI (who will have to do some serious flow control, or 
he'll be receiving copies of all the video games on every small-time drug 
dealer's computer), or running some tools to look for the hidden data.  It's 
not like you're going to expect a random detective to learn how to cryptanalyze 
stego schemes, anymore than you're going to expect him to learn how to check 
for DNA matches in a lab.  He'll need to have some notion of how the technology 
works, and some rules of thumb for how to handle the evidence to keep from 
tainting it, and that's about it.  

>J.A. Terranson
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>0xBD4A95BF

--John
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On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 10:19:37 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In a message dated 12/10/2004 11:31:40 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


John,  Sorry about that. I'm very frustrated right now. It's not you...

||

..Not a good time of the year for heartache.   
John 

--

Well, today has been a sad ol' lonesome day
Yeah, today has been a sad ol' lonesome day
I'm just sittin' here thinking
With my mind a million miles away

Well, they're doing the double shuffle, throwin' sand on the floor
They're doing the double shuffle, they're throwin' sand on the floor
When I left my long-time darlin'
She was standing in the door

Well, my pa he died and left me, my brother got killed in the war
Well, my pa he died and left me, my brother got killed in the war
My sister, she ran off and got married
Never was heard of any more

Samantha Brown lived in my house for about four or five months
Samantha Brown lived in my house for about four or five months
Don't know how it looked to other people
I never slept with her even once

Well, the road's washed out - weather not fit for man or beast
Yeah the road's washed out - weather not fit for man or beast
Funny, how the things you have the hardes

Re: punkly current events

[Major Variola (ret)]

At 11:13 AM 12/10/04 +0100, Eugen Leitl wrote:
>
>Because nodes are not geographically constrained to US jurisdiction?

Name a place which is not subject to US juridiction?   Ok, Iran, N Kr,
until
we pull a regime change (tm) on them.  Yeah, they have a lot of 'net
bandwidth, right.

Some of the ex-soviets perhaps,
only because the rubles / threats from the mafia exceed the rubles
from the USG.  Otherwise our "advisors" will help you "Round Up" your
local cash crops, you how to shoot down missionaries, teach you
how to gore an election.  Even the chinese want trade enough to pander
and are not unwilling to enforce a police state.
Meanwhile all your Pakis are belong to u$ (except for those that
don't, but hide the fact and um Sheik Yerbouti).
And if extradition isn't happening fast enough, we'll send a DEA
agent or snatch-und-grab specops to kidnap them.

Hegemony isn't just for breakfast anymore.  If you think you're not
under Bush's boot, you just haven't pissed him off enough, yet.

Re: punkly current events

[Eugen Leitl]

On Thu, Dec 09, 2004 at 06:33:09PM -0800, Major Variola (ret) wrote:
> Someone should have commented here, so I will, that some judges (earning
> hanging) basically said that anonymity is not a right.  This
> in the context of mask-wearing in public.  If the Klan doesn't have
> a right to wear pillowcases what makes you think mixmaster will
> survive?

Because nodes are not geographically constrained to US jurisdiction?

If mixter won't survive, it's due to spammers, and malware spreaders.

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Re: Blinky Rides Again: RCMP suspect al-Qaida messages

[J.A. Terranson]

On Thu, 9 Dec 2004, R.W. (Bob) Erickson wrote:

> Perhaps LEA confuse themselves thinking al-q is inciting a cultural
> revolution?

In all seriousness, there is some of that fear within the LE community.
I'm sure it's about the same as when the weathermen were running around
the pentagon's bathrooms (i.e., a very small subset of only the dumbest
LEAs belive it), but that is certainly in the background noise.


-- 
Yours,

J.A. Terranson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
0xBD4A95BF

 Civilization is in a tailspin - everything is backwards, everything is
upside down- doctors destroy health, psychiatrists destroy minds, lawyers
destroy justice, the major media destroy information, governments destroy
freedom and religions destroy spirituality - yet it is claimed to be
healthy, just, informed, free and spiritual. We live in a social system
whose community, wealth, love and life is derived from alienation,
poverty, self-hate and medical murder - yet we tell ourselves that it is
biologically and ecologically sustainable.

The Bush plan to screen whole US population for mental illness clearly
indicates that mental illness starts at the top.

Rev Dr Michael Ellner

Re: Timing Paranoia

[R.A. Hettinga]

At 10:16 PM -0500 12/9/04, Roy M. Silvernail wrote:
>Imagine using observed timing to conclude that your agent provocateur
>operates from geostationary orbit.

..And here I thought VALIS was all in his head...

Cheers,
RAH

-- 
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44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
"... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

Re: Insurrectionist covers

[Steve Thompson]

 --- Justin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> On 2004-12-10T15:50:22-0500, Steve Thompson wrote:
[snip]
> > state's personality, the state has the right, nay, obligation to
> preserve
> > its identity unchanged.  (Isn't this pretty much polysci 101
> material?)
> 
> Not typically.  The idea that the state has its own identity is obvious,
> because it has a name -- the "state".  It is clearly an atomic entity,
> in the same sense as a beehive or ant colony (to borrow unapologetically
> from R. Dawkins).  However, discussion of the state as an singular
> entity that acts to preserve itself is typically delayed until study of
> Leviathan.  Then it's expanded when studying Kant's theory of
> International Relations.

This is what happens when one picks up ideas from people who present them
second-hand (or at even greater distances from their origin) and who do
not make proper footnotes.
 
> Those are typically 2nd-year courses, at a minimum.  IR is typically 3rd
> or 4th year, but Leviathan is discussed in any number of classes, just
> not polysci 101.

My bad.


Regards,

Steve
  

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Re: "Word" Of the Subgenius...

[Tyler Durden]

In my family there's a famous story told of a particular musician who was 
busted on marijuana possession. His defense: "But your honor...it was only 
lemonade."

-TD
From: Steve Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Tyler Durden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: "Word" Of the Subgenius...
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:31:34 -0500 (EST)
 --- Tyler Durden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [snip]
> Sounds like a fuckin' party, if you ask me! Quit bogartin' that J...
Oh, sure.  It wasn't all bad.  Just ask the chick who is known in certain
circles as Nefertiti.  (That's her code-name).  We had an excellent time
together; or at least we did until the wheels fell off... But that's a
story for another day.
While we're speaking of pot, I should note that the grass available in
this neck of the woods is substandard at best.  What with all the illegal
suburban grow-ops in Toronto, you'd think one would be able to buy
half-decent weed from time to time.  But no... It's all crap.
Regards,
Steve
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Insurrectionist covers

[R.W. (Bob) Erickson]

Steve Thompson wrote:
--- "R.W. (Bob) Erickson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
 

Steve Thompson wrote:
   

[assholes]
 

You tell them, Steve
   

I believe I just did.
 

Insanity is a great cover for an insurectionist!
   

I suppose it could be, although I am give to belive that residents of the
White Room Hotel may only carry out insurection in the program room, and
even then only while under direct adult supervision.  I have been told
that this makes the task somewhat more difficult, what with the sometimes
necessity of colouring outside the lines on the page (so to speak).
Regards,
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Yes, you have a point there.I guess a better cover would be as local 
coordinator of Neighborhood Watch

--bob

Re: Mixmaster is dead, long live wardriving

[J.A. Terranson]

On Sat, 11 Dec 2004, Riad S. Wahby wrote:

> Joseph Ashwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I regularly drive down through Los Angeles, when I have stopped
> > for gas or food and checked I rarely see an unprotected network.
>
> This seems like a peculiarity of your location.  Here in Austin almost
> all of downtown is covered by free wireless.

Looking out of my fifth floor window I can connect to ~20 802.x nets
*without* directional antennas or high powered cards.  With extra gear, I
can hit almost 50, and in both cases, roughly a third are completely open,
another third are trivially "protected", and the remaining third have done
the best they can under the circumstances :-)

-- 
Yours,

J.A. Terranson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
0xBD4A95BF

 Civilization is in a tailspin - everything is backwards, everything is
upside down- doctors destroy health, psychiatrists destroy minds, lawyers
destroy justice, the major media destroy information, governments destroy
freedom and religions destroy spirituality - yet it is claimed to be
healthy, just, informed, free and spiritual. We live in a social system
whose community, wealth, love and life is derived from alienation,
poverty, self-hate and medical murder - yet we tell ourselves that it is
biologically and ecologically sustainable.

The Bush plan to screen whole US population for mental illness clearly
indicates that mental illness starts at the top.

Rev Dr Michael Ellner

Re: Timing Paranoia

[Roy M. Silvernail]

R.A. Hettinga wrote:
At 10:16 PM -0500 12/9/04, Roy M. Silvernail wrote:
 

Imagine using observed timing to conclude that your agent provocateur
operates from geostationary orbit.
   

...And here I thought VALIS was all in his head...
 

Right idea, wrong book.
R. W. "Bob" is the frog on Detweiller's shoulder.
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Re: Insurrectionist covers

[R.W. (Bob) Erickson]

Steve Thompson wrote:
c.f. "Take back the night", et. cetera.  (And put it where?)
Anyhow, isn't insurrection illegal or something?  ISTR reading about the
natural right of the corrupt state to exist unconditionally, and it's
obligation to crush any question of change for any reason.
The structure of the state in fact defines its identity as a 'person'; and
since changeing the state structure could be viewed as the murder of the
state's personality, the state has the right, nay, obligation to preserve
its identity unchanged.  (Isn't this pretty much polysci 101 material?)
Regards,
Steve
 

Yep, the state fights to preserve its "life"
while the people suffer their own.
The mistake of top down thinking
lies in the inability to really model large populations with rules,
too much of the action happens at the fine grained level
of every day staying alive.
When change comes, it will happen as the cummulative effects
of millions of stuborn folk who subvert excessive authourity, 'cause 
they need to.
As the state tries to squeeze more gold out of the untaxed ecconomy
ordinary people will swarm to new work-arounds

--bob
cpunks write scripts

Obligatory Comprehension

[R.W. (Bob) Erickson]

Say what you mean, mean what you say
Speaking in metaphor is anti-social
If I cant understand you,
I cannot trust you.
Encrypted, encoded, or implied
Secrets are a threat to the homeland

Re: Insurrectionist covers

[Steve Thompson]

 --- "R.W. (Bob) Erickson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> Steve Thompson wrote:
> 
> > --- "R.W. (Bob) Erickson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> > [Colouring outside the lines]
> >
> Yes, you have a point there.I guess a better cover would be as local 
> coordinator of Neighborhood Watch

c.f. "Take back the night", et. cetera.  (And put it where?)

Anyhow, isn't insurrection illegal or something?  ISTR reading about the
natural right of the corrupt state to exist unconditionally, and it's
obligation to crush any question of change for any reason.

The structure of the state in fact defines its identity as a 'person'; and
since changeing the state structure could be viewed as the murder of the
state's personality, the state has the right, nay, obligation to preserve
its identity unchanged.  (Isn't this pretty much polysci 101 material?)


Regards,

Steve


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Re: tangled context probe

[R.W. (Bob) Erickson]

Tyler Durden wrote:
Well, when you put it that way, that changes everything.
All is now clear. Please continue downloading the syntactic mappings 
of random neural firing...I'm using your output to seed a random 
number generator.

Oh, and don't forget to cc Choate.
-TD
You could do worse, my entropy is real.
Whatever your take on "memes"
I predict that certain messages play better than others.
Analysis of the opposition's frame of minds are key.
The immediate tool is that of insinuation.
You dismiss some things as chaff or fluff
put you cannot avoid the priming effect
that well crafted misdirection employs.
We protect our selves from disruptive knowledge
We artistically wield our ignorance like a shield
Our creativity hides our blind spots.
Security through certainty is surely vunerable
--bob

punkly current events

[Major Variola (ret)]

Someone should have commented here, so I will, that some judges (earning

hanging) basically said that anonymity is not a right.  This
in the context of mask-wearing in public.  If the Klan doesn't have
a right to wear pillowcases what makes you think mixmaster will
survive?

Re: Mixmaster is dead, long live wardriving

[Riad S. Wahby]

Joseph Ashwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I regularly drive down through Los Angeles, when I have stopped 
> for gas or food and checked I rarely see an unprotected network.

This seems like a peculiarity of your location.  Here in Austin almost
all of downtown is covered by free wireless.

-- 
Riad S. Wahby
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: "Word" Of the Subgenius...

[Steve Thompson]

 --- John Kelsey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
>>[May]
> 
> Maybe, maybe not.  The thing I always find interesting and annoying
> about Tim May's posts is that he's sometimes making really clearly
> thought out, intelligent points, and other times spewing out nonsense so
> crazy you can't believe it's coming from the same person.  It's also
> clear he's often yanking peoples' chains, often by saying the most
> offensive thing he can think of.  But once in awhile, even amidst the
> crazy rantings about useless eaters and ovens, he'll toss out something
> that shows some deep, coherent thought about some issue in a new and
> fascinating direction. 

That paragraph could easily be modified to make it a commentary on my
posting habits, or indeed, on my general presentation from day to day. 
So, I will comment.

On a pseudo-random but cyclic schedule, I am harassed, provoked, or
otherwise experience incidents of aggression of one sort or another.  This
affects my mood and general state of mind to varying degrees. 
Furthermore, I do not have consistent dietary intake, nor do I live in an
environment which allows or provides privacy, security, or consistency
save that which I impose with the expenditure of a great deal of effort
and patience.

If you also consider the fact that I have been variously poisoned in
recent years with everything from sedatives to stimulants to hormones to
psychoactive compounds to low-level hallucinogens, and as well have been
subjected to uncounted appeals to my subconscious in the main through the
use of direct and indirect sexually exploitative imagery and encounters,
you might get the idea that consistent literary output is simply not in
the offing.

Before anyone goes to the trouble of suggesting that I discuss matters
with the police, I'll save them the bother.  The police have entirely
failed to allow my allegations the courtesy of a hearing.  Not even once. 
I belive that those who have not merely dirties their own hands in some
way, are too chikenshit to recognise some of the more subtle criminality
that goes on in this country.  Or they may be intimidated by the kind of
agency[1] that has invoved itself in the kind of clandestine activity that
is at issue.

Add in the fact that I've been dealing with _some_ sort of malicious and
interfereing bullshit for quite a few years without any sincere assistance
of any sort beyond the odd informational giveaway of dubious provenance,
and you might well conclude that whatever else is going on, I'm not a
happy camper.  Perhaps my inconsistent presentation mimics the
inconclusive partial criterion for certain classical mental afflictions. 
This is convenient as such afflictions are conveniently viewed by the
layman and professional alike as having an origin that is entirely
internal to the individual in question.

However, I have quite a bit of evidence of varying grades that support my
position rather well.  Time will tell, perhaps, the true nature of the
matter in a fashion that leaves no doubt in the mind of the uninvolved
spectator.

But in the interim, that will have to stand as my overbrief outline of the
reason why I exhibit inconsistency in writing, speech, and action.  I am
simply way too busy dealing with what can in one way be viewed as a
chronic and personalised denial of service attack.

Perhaps Tim May has an entirely different set of factors influencing his
online behaviour.  You will have to ask him to explain his circumstances,
and hope that he consents to it.

As for my case, I do not really wish to make it a topic of discussion on
the Cypherpunks list.  The law enforecement (and perhipheral) personnel
who have involvement in my affairs, for whatever reason, are (and should
be) fully aware of the external influences on my psychology.  They have
the investigative tools and authority to make definitive findings of fact,
and to take corrective action should they find incidents of criminal
liability, but as yet have refused to do so.  And *that* is another matter
entirely.



Regards,

Steve



[1] general sense of the term.  I'm not referring to, say, the CIA
specifically in this instance.  

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Re: punkly current events

[Major Variola (ret)]

At 01:19 PM 12/10/04 -0600, J.A. Terranson wrote:
>I disagree.  Except for the early days, spammers have been little more
>than a low volume nuisance on Mix.  What killed mix was it's complexity
-
>Joe Blow can't figure out how to use it, and new reops have a hell of a

>time getting a node running (with pingers and other required tools).
>
>Take away complexity, and Mix *could* flourish - in spite of the fedz.

I agree, with the additional constraint that mix functionality piggyback

with a more popular feature.  Most folks won't install even the most
benign, easy to use mixer; but include a mix server in a jazzy
IM or next-gen napster program, and you get deployed.

Re: "Word" Of the Subgenius...

[Tyler Durden]

"If you also consider the fact that I have been variously poisoned in
recent years with everything from sedatives to stimulants to hormones to
psychoactive compounds to low-level hallucinogens, and as well have been
subjected to uncounted appeals to my subconscious in the main through the
use of direct and indirect sexually exploitative imagery and encounters,
you might get the idea that consistent literary output is simply not in
the offing."
Sounds like a fuckin' party, if you ask me! Quit bogartin' that J...
-TD

From: Steve Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: John Kelsey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: "Word" Of the Subgenius...
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 20:19:06 -0500 (EST)
 --- John Kelsey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>[May]
>
> Maybe, maybe not.  The thing I always find interesting and annoying
> about Tim May's posts is that he's sometimes making really clearly
> thought out, intelligent points, and other times spewing out nonsense so
> crazy you can't believe it's coming from the same person.  It's also
> clear he's often yanking peoples' chains, often by saying the most
> offensive thing he can think of.  But once in awhile, even amidst the
> crazy rantings about useless eaters and ovens, he'll toss out something
> that shows some deep, coherent thought about some issue in a new and
> fascinating direction.
That paragraph could easily be modified to make it a commentary on my
posting habits, or indeed, on my general presentation from day to day.
So, I will comment.
On a pseudo-random but cyclic schedule, I am harassed, provoked, or
otherwise experience incidents of aggression of one sort or another.  This
affects my mood and general state of mind to varying degrees.
Furthermore, I do not have consistent dietary intake, nor do I live in an
environment which allows or provides privacy, security, or consistency
save that which I impose with the expenditure of a great deal of effort
and patience.
If you also consider the fact that I have been variously poisoned in
recent years with everything from sedatives to stimulants to hormones to
psychoactive compounds to low-level hallucinogens, and as well have been
subjected to uncounted appeals to my subconscious in the main through the
use of direct and indirect sexually exploitative imagery and encounters,
you might get the idea that consistent literary output is simply not in
the offing.
Before anyone goes to the trouble of suggesting that I discuss matters
with the police, I'll save them the bother.  The police have entirely
failed to allow my allegations the courtesy of a hearing.  Not even once.
I belive that those who have not merely dirties their own hands in some
way, are too chikenshit to recognise some of the more subtle criminality
that goes on in this country.  Or they may be intimidated by the kind of
agency[1] that has invoved itself in the kind of clandestine activity that
is at issue.
Add in the fact that I've been dealing with _some_ sort of malicious and
interfereing bullshit for quite a few years without any sincere assistance
of any sort beyond the odd informational giveaway of dubious provenance,
and you might well conclude that whatever else is going on, I'm not a
happy camper.  Perhaps my inconsistent presentation mimics the
inconclusive partial criterion for certain classical mental afflictions.
This is convenient as such afflictions are conveniently viewed by the
layman and professional alike as having an origin that is entirely
internal to the individual in question.
However, I have quite a bit of evidence of varying grades that support my
position rather well.  Time will tell, perhaps, the true nature of the
matter in a fashion that leaves no doubt in the mind of the uninvolved
spectator.
But in the interim, that will have to stand as my overbrief outline of the
reason why I exhibit inconsistency in writing, speech, and action.  I am
simply way too busy dealing with what can in one way be viewed as a
chronic and personalised denial of service attack.
Perhaps Tim May has an entirely different set of factors influencing his
online behaviour.  You will have to ask him to explain his circumstances,
and hope that he consents to it.
As for my case, I do not really wish to make it a topic of discussion on
the Cypherpunks list.  The law enforecement (and perhipheral) personnel
who have involvement in my affairs, for whatever reason, are (and should
be) fully aware of the external influences on my psychology.  They have
the investigative tools and authority to make definitive findings of fact,
and to take corrective action should they find incidents of criminal
liability, but as yet have refused to do so.  And *that* is another matter
entirely.

Regards,
Steve

[1] general sense of the term.  I'm not referring to, say, the CIA
specifically in this instance.
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Re: Mixmaster is dead, long live wardriving

[Major Variola (ret)]

At 09:47 PM 12/10/04 -0800, Joseph Ashwood wrote:
>Wardriving is also basically dead.

On the contrary.  A recent article (zdnet IIRC) described a non-hacker
visiting his father, and using a neighbor's connection accidentally.
This is very common.  My own non-tech father regularly finds
other nets in his neighborhood, using default apps (not 'Stumbler, etc).

Sure there are a handful of people that
>do it, but the number is so small as to be irrelevant.

That 'wardrive' knowing its called that, yes.  That do so accidentally,
no.

>> Or consider a Napster-level popular app which includes mixing or
>> onion routing.
>
>Now we're back to the MixMaster argument. Mixmaster was meant to be a
>"Napster-level popular app" for emailing, but people just don't care
about
>anonymity.

Mixmaster is the most godawful complex thing to use, much less
administer, around.  Even Jack B Nymble is complex.
It needs a simple luser interface and something
to piggyback servers on.

RE: Blinky Rides Again: RCMP suspect al-Qaida messages

[Tyler Durden]

Maybe, but I think it would be very hard to write a general-purpose stego 
detector, without >knowing the techniques used for encoding the message.  
And if you know the distribution of your >cover channel as well as your 
attacker, or can generate lots of values from that distribution even if 
>you can'd describe it, you can encode messages in a way that provably 
can't be detected, down >to the quality of your random number generator and 
the difficulty of guessing your key.
Well, the first thing to remember is that Arabic more or less has a built-in 
method for distributing covert information...kind of like Hebrew, an Arabic 
word can be viewed in terms of a subset of consonants...for specific 
groupings there are lots of well-known associated words with the same 
letters. I'd bet a careful examination of bin Laden communiques will reveal 
the existence of pointers to such special words...the initated will know how 
to pull out those words and use them as passwords, etc...

As for the sophistication of Al Qaeda software, remember we're probably not 
talking about a very centrally-organized group. Their members are scattered 
in all sorts of socio-eco-bandwidth environments so that off-the-shelf 
(where shelf=internet) stuff is going to be common.

Remember too that broad categories of Stego can apparently be detected by 
FFT (someone here posted a link to a paper describing that). Put that and 
all sorts of other routines looking for specific Stego signatures inot a 
Variola suitcase and I bet they (NSA, though not police) can pull out 
practically anything they want to. BUT...that probably doesn't do them a ton 
of good...the plaintext will be in Arabic, it will speak symbolically, and 
maybe use some even more clever techniques for info obfscuration.

As for the 'semaphore' theory I consider that likely...lots of info will be 
sent out-of-band (ie, verbally) and Stego'd info will perhaps be triggers or 
possibly meeting coordinates. Maybe an account number every now and then 
(VERY easy to hide using Arabic letter-numerals).

-TD

I imagine this as something much like a virus scanner.  Look for known 
stego programs, and also for signatures of known stegp programs.  Really 
good programs might be impossible to find without doing, say, a password 
search.

But it's worth noting that AQ has to do key management just like the rest 
of us, and that's hard when you are communicating with a lot of different 
people.  If your stego is password-protected, some terrorist's laptop is 
going to have a post-it note on the screen with the password.

...
>-TD
--John Kelsey

Re: punkly current events

[J.A. Terranson]

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004, Tyler Durden wrote:

> And don't forget...Spam is a good thing as long as it doesn't clog the
> Mixmaster bandwidth.

No, it's not.  There are other things that can produce the same cover
effects: cron jobs or daemons that fire off random chaff work just as
well, without the mess of allowing UCE.

-- 
Yours,

J.A. Terranson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
0xBD4A95BF

 Civilization is in a tailspin - everything is backwards, everything is
upside down- doctors destroy health, psychiatrists destroy minds, lawyers
destroy justice, the major media destroy information, governments destroy
freedom and religions destroy spirituality - yet it is claimed to be
healthy, just, informed, free and spiritual. We live in a social system
whose community, wealth, love and life is derived from alienation,
poverty, self-hate and medical murder - yet we tell ourselves that it is
biologically and ecologically sustainable.

The Bush plan to screen whole US population for mental illness clearly
indicates that mental illness starts at the top.

Rev Dr Michael Ellner

Re: punkly current events

[Joseph Ashwood]

- Original Message - 
From: "Major Variola (ret)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: punkly current events


If the Klan doesn't have
a right to wear pillowcases what makes you think mixmaster will
survive?
Well besides the misinterprettaion of the ruling, which I will ignore, what 
makes you think MixMaster isn't already dead?

MixMaster is only being used by a small percentage of individuals. Those 
individuals like to claim that everyone should send everything anonymously, 
when in truth communication cannot happen with anonymity, and trust cannot 
be built anonymously. This leaves MixMaster as only being useful for a small 
percentage of normal people, and those using it to prevent being identified 
as they communicate with other known individuals.

The result of this is rather the opposite of what MixMaster is supposed to 
create. A small group to investigate for any actions which are illegal, or 
deemed worth investigating. In fact it is arguable that for a new face in 
action it is probably easier to get away with the actions in question to 
send the information in the clear to their compatriots than it is to use 
MixMaster, simply because being a part of the group using MixMaster 
immediately flags them, as potential problems.

In short, except for those few people who have some use for MixMaster, 
MixMaster was stillborn. I'm not arguing whether such a situation should be 
the correct way things happened, but that is the way things happened.
   Joe 

Sheep Herding

[R.W. (Bob) Erickson]

The secular bible: Our project

First let me speak to my Christian brothers and sisters. I mean you no 
disrespect by using the term "bible" in an unholy attack on your faith.

The project of this secular bible honors the sanctity of holy documents.
A secular bible could only be true to itself is it stood for tolerance 
and cooperation.



We all know of the worldwide spread of dissatisfaction and unhappiness. 
We acknowledge the existence of what we can only call "evil" in the world.

We have less agreement on what we call "good" or "godlike"  We have not 
found enough agreement on what to do about evil.


There are those among us who hold to the principle no agreement is 
required. The proper agents in the war against chaos are the free and 
independent thinkers of the mythical open society. The radical edge of 
this stance is the notion that cooperation always entails disaster in 
the form of unintended consequences.


There are those among us who are afraid of the unknown. Many of us 
prefer to keep to the familiar. We find ourselves in circles of friends 
and relatives and find comfort or at least solace in the company of 
these others. We become "us".


There is a subtle danger in this. The formation of community is also the 
formation of "them"


There are those among us who fear "them" so much that the very thought 
of cooperation is scary. To them the idea that there could be a science 
of cooperation is absurd. They will cite economics and rational self 
interest to avoid gambling on trust. The run-away paranoia that can 
ensue will tax their freedom as surely as the state must.


The project of the science of understanding, this secular bible giving 
people an understanding of their part in the universe, and the tools 
they need to get along with all manner of thinkers.


(tbc)
Of course this is all meant sarcastically.
The Lord knows, nobody wants to just get along.

Re: punkly current events

[J.A. Terranson]

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004, Eugen Leitl wrote:

> If mixter won't survive, it's due to spammers, and malware spreaders.

I disagree.  Except for the early days, spammers have been little more
than a low volume nuisance on Mix.  What killed mix was it's complexity -
Joe Blow can't figure out how to use it, and new reops have a hell of a
time getting a node running (with pingers and other required tools).

Take away complexity, and Mix *could* flourish - in spite of the fedz.

-- 
Yours,

J.A. Terranson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
0xBD4A95BF

 Civilization is in a tailspin - everything is backwards, everything is
upside down- doctors destroy health, psychiatrists destroy minds, lawyers
destroy justice, the major media destroy information, governments destroy
freedom and religions destroy spirituality - yet it is claimed to be
healthy, just, informed, free and spiritual. We live in a social system
whose community, wealth, love and life is derived from alienation,
poverty, self-hate and medical murder - yet we tell ourselves that it is
biologically and ecologically sustainable.

The Bush plan to screen whole US population for mental illness clearly
indicates that mental illness starts at the top.

Rev Dr Michael Ellner

Re: tempest back doors

[Steve Thompson]

 --- "Major Variola (ret)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> >Perhaps I am stupid.  I don't know how one would go about modifying
> >application software to include a 'back door' that would presumably
> >enhance its suceptibility to TEMPEST attacks.  Isn't tempest all about
> EM
> >spectrum signal detection and capture?
> 
> You have your code drive a bus with signal.  The bus radiates, you
> 'TEMPEST' the signal, game over.  Back in the 60s folks programmed
> PDPs to play music on AM radios.  Same thing.  Dig?

Fine.  That's great as an example of transmitting data over a covert
channel, but so what?  As you suggest, people have been doing that with AM
radios since the 60's, although the folklore mentions the phenomenon in
the context of monitoring the computer's heartbeat, purely as a debugging
technique.

What makes this odd is that the Wired article makes no mention of Tempest,
only of the possibility of there being a back door, which in the usual
vernacular of computer security, usually implies a method for unauthorised
access or use of the software system in question.


Regards,

Steve


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Re: punkly current events

[Eugen Leitl]

On Fri, Dec 10, 2004 at 06:53:26AM -0800, Major Variola (ret) wrote:
> 
> Name a place which is not subject to US juridiction?   Ok, Iran, N Kr,

Most places outside US which are not banana republics. I'm living in one.

> until
> we pull a regime change (tm) on them.  Yeah, they have a lot of 'net
> bandwidth, right.
> 
> And if extradition isn't happening fast enough, we'll send a DEA
> agent or snatch-und-grab specops to kidnap them.

What, all this to shut down a remop? Could as well reprogram one of these
aging ICBMs...
 
> Hegemony isn't just for breakfast anymore.  If you think you're not
> under Bush's boot, you just haven't pissed him off enough, yet.

Which threat model? Individual remop, a country, a bloc?

Last time I looked US deficit was well on the way to turn thalers into
Soviet-era paper. It is somewhat hard to posture as a world hegemon if
everybody knows you're only operating because every significant investor is
propping you up, since running danger of losing their entire investment (in
for a penny...).

If it's going to give, it's going to be a landslide. Of course, then the
entire house of cards is going to crash down, which would suck. It could even
bring down the tigers/dragons, though they probably have enough own momentum
by now.

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RE: Blinky Rides Again: RCMP suspect al-Qaida messages

[J.A. Terranson]

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004, Trei, Peter wrote:

> J.A. Terranson wrote:
> > (4) I have yet to meet a full dozen people who share my
> > belief that while stego *may* be in use, if it is, that
> > use is for one way messages of semaphore-class messages
> > only.  I really do not understand why this view
> > is poopoo'd by all sides, so I must be pretty dense?
>
> For semaphores and codewords, stego isn't needed. Simply
> agree on a signal - if a post appears in
> alt.anonymous.messages with the subject "To JAT", the
> intended recipient has got all the info he needs.

Assuming you are willing to use your semaphores over overt channels.
Rudimentary stego is useful when you want those same low-bandwidth
messages delivered covertly.


> Stego is needed only when the message is too complex
> to have a codeword.

Yet at the same time, stego is such a low bandwidth medium as to argue
strongly against it's use for truly complex messaging systems.


> Even without software, 'numbers station' type
> transmissions can be sent anonymously through the net.

We're not necessarily talking about an IP transport for these messages.
My belief is that any unicast IP transport is inherently dangerous for
critical *must-be-truly-anonymous* messaging.  To put it another way, I
would not (if I was AlQ, which I'm not.  At least not this week...) use
the internet for critical messaging.  Just like I wouldn't use a satellite
phone ;-)

-- 
Yours,

J.A. Terranson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
0xBD4A95BF

 Civilization is in a tailspin - everything is backwards, everything is
upside down- doctors destroy health, psychiatrists destroy minds, lawyers
destroy justice, the major media destroy information, governments destroy
freedom and religions destroy spirituality - yet it is claimed to be
healthy, just, informed, free and spiritual. We live in a social system
whose community, wealth, love and life is derived from alienation,
poverty, self-hate and medical murder - yet we tell ourselves that it is
biologically and ecologically sustainable.

The Bush plan to screen whole US population for mental illness clearly
indicates that mental illness starts at the top.

Rev Dr Michael Ellner

Re: "Word" Of the Subgenius...

[J.A. Terranson]

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004, Steve Thompson wrote:

> While we're speaking of pot, I should note that the grass available in
> this neck of the woods is substandard at best.  What with all the illegal
> suburban grow-ops in Toronto, you'd think one would be able to buy
> half-decent weed from time to time.  But no... It's all crap.

You're scroing in the wrong neighborhoods.  Try the areas which rely on
grass for their day to day needs.  A neighborhood heavily populated by
Tims "eaters" would be best ;-)

> Steve


-- 
Yours,

J.A. Terranson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
0xBD4A95BF

 Civilization is in a tailspin - everything is backwards, everything is
upside down- doctors destroy health, psychiatrists destroy minds, lawyers
destroy justice, the major media destroy information, governments destroy
freedom and religions destroy spirituality - yet it is claimed to be
healthy, just, informed, free and spiritual. We live in a social system
whose community, wealth, love and life is derived from alienation,
poverty, self-hate and medical murder - yet we tell ourselves that it is
biologically and ecologically sustainable.

The Bush plan to screen whole US population for mental illness clearly
indicates that mental illness starts at the top.

Rev Dr Michael Ellner

Re: tangled context probe

[R.W. (Bob) Erickson]

R.A. Hettinga wrote:
At 10:56 AM -0500 12/10/04, Roy M. Silvernail wrote:
 

But I'm about 2 posts away from ensconcing RW"B"E in my procmail
file
   

What's taking you so long?
:-)
Cheers,
RAH
cf: various imprecations against feeding trolls &cet...
 

Aww, come on guys
i only eat little sheep
and i hide from the wolves under cover of  a bridge
--bob

TSA groping

[Major Variola (ret)]

At 04:50 PM 12/10/04 -0500, R.A. Hettinga wrote:
>The change is minor and TSA officials say they have no plans to rescind

>pat-down procedures that require screeners to touch passengers' chest
and
>groin areas while checking for weapons or explosives. Nevertheless, it
>represents an attempt by the TSA to improve its image among travelers.

I flew monthly for several years after 2001.  I was never touched.
Should I be surprised to find a goon touching me that way, I would not
be
able to stop certain reflexes involving ballistic application of
elbows and knees.  I am surprised this has not happened or perhaps it is

not reported.

tangled contexts

[R.W. (Bob) Erickson]

Process and perception

This capacity for making high order discriminations about relationships 
between objects in our world, can be taken as the proper function of our 
cognitive competency. The attribute of intentionality, to this way of 
thinking, is best understood as "work product" of a discrete sub-module 
of our brain.

We infer agency from our observations. What is agency? Well first and 
foremost, it is that which is recognizable to the competencies in 
process, that form these judgments.

Does this sound circular? Surely it is circular in a crucial sense. All 
that we "know" comes to our attention as the work product of process in 
various competencies. Ultimately the "authority" of  these high order 
discriminations comes not from a judgment about the correlation between 
our perceptions and the state of the "objective" world, but instead from 
their immediacy. This is to say that we do not perceive and then make 
judgments, our first awareness of every "thing"  is located in the 
moment that the competent module forms some thing out of the possibilities.

These awareness's are not in the semantic domain. Our knowing of 
particular attributes precedes the semantic transform that tags and 
packages up insights, for storage and shipping. We know what we know and 
we apologize for not being able to convey this knowing more effectively.

That we are able to communicate at all, is a testament to the power of 
trial and error and the phenomenal similarity of our minds. This 
similarity is not accidental. Even as each person is an absolutely 
unique instance of humanity, what we are, is the embodiment of a 
phenomenally complex tangle of historical accomplishments that is  
fundamentally common to us all.

Creativity emerges via the capacity/ability to merge contexts

Biological instrumentality:
The complex objects of our knowings come to our awareness as 
circumstances demand, literally selected by their features. Apprehension 
of the world via a sophisticatedly evolved biological instrumentality is 
an entropy hack. Life is the opportunistic bloom of a viral exploitation 
of regularity in the universe.


In the beginning there was sequence, and it begat pattern and context 
space. Within every context space there is a tree of combinatorial 
consequences some leaves of which are potentially lucky. Blind evolution 
isn't trial and error testing of mistakes (mutations), it is the random 
testing of legal combinations


So who set up the game, where did the rules come from, and the design 
language?


The dynamic core of our consciousness consists of transient alignments 
of Feature Value - Action loops that compete for selection in a 
flicker-dance-sort of associations and sensory stimuli.




Perception is a physics hack. Timing is everything. Three dimensionality 
is accessible to us via  a cross mapping within the temporal manifold. 
Propagation of coherent correlations between map-mapped sheets of 
neurons act as a massively parallel delay line with multiple taps. 
Because both spatial and temporal coherence is preserved, the network 
sorts up the objects of perception and tracks them real time. Reality is 
best fit. Misperceptions happen, but its better than being blind.


Our competency at this is not postulated, it is stipulated that the high 
order discriminations we perceive as qualia are exactly as amazing as 
the incredible complexity of the neurological stack that gives us them.

Intentionality is an emergent design goal in secondary consciousness.
(before getting upset about intentional language, remember that it works 
because reality fits.)



Phenomenal transform is a semantic label for a context shift. If you 
insist on thinking of it as a happening, what's happening is that we 
find ourselves switching lexicons when we discuss certain things. Its 
not a description of a change of state in the object, it is a handle for 
referring to a pragmatic feature of discourse about it.


The important thing to realize is that this sorting out of the features 
of the objects of our perception usually is done before we are aware of 
the process, but this does not mean that the process is different for 
hard discriminations, just that they are taking longer than the ~400ms 
self context loop, that feeds a product of the net's immediate state 
back into itself. Think convolving and converging. Discrimination occurs 
opportunistically, our competencies do not require conscious attention. 
In the formation of PV Action loops each project become one of the 
factions in our interior parliament.


We have lots of timing to tap. Response times, flicker fusion times, 
saccades, pulse, peristalsis, menstruation. The royal road to cognitive 
illumination is the path of chronus.

--bob
"me, I'm just a lawn mower"

Re: punkly current events

[Tyler Durden]

And don't forget...Spam is a good thing as long as it doesn't clog the 
Mixmaster bandwidth.

-TD

From: "J.A. Terranson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Eugen Leitl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: punkly current events
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 13:19:26 -0600 (CST)
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004, Eugen Leitl wrote:
> If mixter won't survive, it's due to spammers, and malware spreaders.
I disagree.  Except for the early days, spammers have been little more
than a low volume nuisance on Mix.  What killed mix was it's complexity -
Joe Blow can't figure out how to use it, and new reops have a hell of a
time getting a node running (with pingers and other required tools).
Take away complexity, and Mix *could* flourish - in spite of the fedz.
--
Yours,
J.A. Terranson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
0xBD4A95BF
 Civilization is in a tailspin - everything is backwards, everything is
upside down- doctors destroy health, psychiatrists destroy minds, lawyers
destroy justice, the major media destroy information, governments destroy
freedom and religions destroy spirituality - yet it is claimed to be
healthy, just, informed, free and spiritual. We live in a social system
whose community, wealth, love and life is derived from alienation,
poverty, self-hate and medical murder - yet we tell ourselves that it is
biologically and ecologically sustainable.
The Bush plan to screen whole US population for mental illness clearly
indicates that mental illness starts at the top.
Rev Dr Michael Ellner

Re: SEC Probes Firms That Gather Data on Who Owns What Shares

[R.A. Hettinga]

At 6:43 PM -0800 12/9/04, Major Variola (ret) wrote:
>Just for the newbies, these are all bearer instruments, in RAHspeak.

Now, *that* I wasn't paying attention to, having just seen the "omigawd,
more financial proctology" aspects at the beginning of the article.

Thank you.

Cheers,
RAH

-- 
-
R. A. Hettinga 
The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 
44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
"... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

Re: tangled context probe

[Roy M. Silvernail]

R.W. (Bob) Erickson wrote:
(curious thing about this spew, it keeps disappearing into the bit 
bucket, 
Yawn.  Roboposting this babble doesn't really increase its chances of 
getting read.  I work through JY because I know there's uranium in that 
ore.  But I'm about 2 posts away from ensconcing RW"B"E in my procmail 
file next to TM, choate and proffr.
--
Roy M. Silvernail is [EMAIL PROTECTED], and you're not
"It's just this little chromium switch, here." - TFT
SpamAssassin->procmail->/dev/null->bliss
http://www.rant-central.com

Re: Insurrectionist covers

[Steve Thompson]

 --- "R.W. (Bob) Erickson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> Steve Thompson wrote:
> > [take back the night]
>
> Yep, the state fights to preserve its "life"
> while the people suffer their own.
> The mistake of top down thinking
> lies in the inability to really model large populations with rules,
> too much of the action happens at the fine grained level
> of every day staying alive.

Actually, there's a false dichotomy there, but the misconception is so
common that nobody notices it.
 
> When change comes, it will happen as the cummulative effects
> of millions of stuborn folk who subvert excessive authourity, 'cause 
> they need to.

Perhaps not.  It may be that enough people are not too inconvenienced by
the way things are today (and tomorrow).  Only people on the margins will
be affected in that scenario, which is largely insignificant to the
perpetuation of the corrupt state.  Right?

> As the state tries to squeeze more gold out of the untaxed ecconomy
> ordinary people will swarm to new work-arounds

And so it goes.
 
> --bob
> cpunks write scripts

And code.  Can't forget the code.


Regards,

Steve

  

__ 
Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca

Re: "Word" Of the Subgenius...

[J.A. Terranson]

On Thu, 9 Dec 2004, Steve Thompson wrote:



(STANDING OVATION) (SOUNDS OF MANY HANDS CLAPPING)

Thank you Steve, for that short but entertaining look into the dark
recesses of our collective consciousness :-)


-- 
Yours,

J.A. Terranson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
0xBD4A95BF

 Civilization is in a tailspin - everything is backwards, everything is
upside down- doctors destroy health, psychiatrists destroy minds, lawyers
destroy justice, the major media destroy information, governments destroy
freedom and religions destroy spirituality - yet it is claimed to be
healthy, just, informed, free and spiritual. We live in a social system
whose community, wealth, love and life is derived from alienation,
poverty, self-hate and medical murder - yet we tell ourselves that it is
biologically and ecologically sustainable.

The Bush plan to screen whole US population for mental illness clearly
indicates that mental illness starts at the top.

Rev Dr Michael Ellner

Re: tempest back doors

[Major Variola (ret)]

At 07:46 PM 12/9/04 -0500, Steve Thompson wrote:
> --- "Major Variola (ret)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >Perhaps I am stupid.  I don't know how one would go about modifying
>> >application software to include a 'back door' that would presumably
>> >enhance its suceptibility to TEMPEST attacks.  Isn't tempest all
about
>> EM
>> >spectrum signal detection and capture?
>>
>> You have your code drive a bus with signal.  The bus radiates, you
>> 'TEMPEST' the signal, game over.  Back in the 60s folks programmed
>> PDPs to play music on AM radios.  Same thing.  Dig?
>
>Fine.  That's great as an example of transmitting data over a covert
>channel, but so what?  As you suggest, people have been doing that with
AM
>radios since the 60's, although the folklore mentions the phenomenon in

>the context of monitoring the computer's heartbeat, purely as a
debugging
>technique.

The poster didn't understand how to backdoor a program using
unintentional RF as the channel.  I told them.  That's "so what"

tangled contexts

[R.W. (Bob) Erickson]

Process and perception

This capacity for making high order discriminations about relationships
between objects in our world, can be taken as the proper function of our
cognitive competency. The attribute of intentionality, to this way of
thinking, is best understood as "work product" of a discrete sub-module
of our brain.
We infer agency from our observations. What is agency? Well first and
foremost, it is that which is recognizable to the competencies in
process, that form these judgments.
Does this sound circular? Surely it is circular in a crucial sense. All
that we "know" comes to our attention as the work product of process in
various competencies. Ultimately the "authority" of  these high order
discriminations comes not from a judgment about the correlation between
our perceptions and the state of the "objective" world, but instead from
their immediacy. This is to say that we do not perceive and then make
judgments, our first awareness of every "thing"  is located in the
moment that the competent module forms some thing out of the possibilities.
These awareness's are not in the semantic domain. Our knowing of
particular attributes precedes the semantic transform that tags and
packages up insights, for storage and shipping. We know what we know and
we apologize for not being able to convey this knowing more effectively.
That we are able to communicate at all, is a testament to the power of
trial and error and the phenomenal similarity of our minds. This
similarity is not accidental. Even as each person is an absolutely
unique instance of humanity, what we are, is the embodiment of a
phenomenally complex tangle of historical accomplishments that is
fundamentally common to us all.
Creativity emerges via the capacity/ability to merge contexts

Biological instrumentality:
The complex objects of our knowings come to our awareness as
circumstances demand, literally selected by their features. Apprehension
of the world via a sophisticatedly evolved biological instrumentality is
an entropy hack. Life is the opportunistic bloom of a viral exploitation
of regularity in the universe.

In the beginning there was sequence, and it begat pattern and context
space. Within every context space there is a tree of combinatorial
consequences some leaves of which are potentially lucky. Blind evolution
isn't trial and error testing of mistakes (mutations), it is the random
testing of legal combinations

So who set up the game, where did the rules come from, and the design
language?

The dynamic core of our consciousness consists of transient alignments
of Feature Value - Action loops that compete for selection in a
flicker-dance-sort of associations and sensory stimuli.



Perception is a physics hack. Timing is everything. Three dimensionality
is accessible to us via  a cross mapping within the temporal manifold.
Propagation of coherent correlations between map-mapped sheets of
neurons act as a massively parallel delay line with multiple taps.
Because both spatial and temporal coherence is preserved, the network
sorts up the objects of perception and tracks them real time. Reality is
best fit. Misperceptions happen, but its better than being blind.

Our competency at this is not postulated, it is stipulated that the high
order discriminations we perceive as qualia are exactly as amazing as
the incredible complexity of the neurological stack that gives us them.
Intentionality is an emergent design goal in secondary consciousness.
(before getting upset about intentional language, remember that it works
because reality fits.)


Phenomenal transform is a semantic label for a context shift. If you
insist on thinking of it as a happening, what's happening is that we
find ourselves switching lexicons when we discuss certain things. Its
not a description of a change of state in the object, it is a handle for
referring to a pragmatic feature of discourse about it.

The important thing to realize is that this sorting out of the features
of the objects of our perception usually is done before we are aware of
the process, but this does not mean that the process is different for
hard discriminations, just that they are taking longer than the ~400ms
self context loop, that feeds a product of the net's immediate state
back into itself. Think convolving and converging. Discrimination occurs
opportunistically, our competencies do not require conscious attention.
In the formation of PV Action loops each project become one of the
factions in our interior parliament.

We have lots of timing to tap. Response times, flicker fusion times,
saccades, pulse, peristalsis, menstruation. The royal road to cognitive
illumination is the path of chronus.
--bob
"me, I'm just a lawn mower"

RE: Blinky Rides Again: RCMP suspect al-Qaida messages

[John Kelsey]

>From: Tyler Durden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Dec 9, 2004 2:47 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: Blinky Rides Again: RCMP suspect al-Qaida messages

..
>NSA folks, on the other hand, I would assume have a soft version of a 
>Variola Stego suitcase...able to quickly detect the presence of pretty much 
>any kind of stego and then perform some tests to determine what kind was 
>used. I bet they've been aware of Al Qaeda stego for a long time...that's 
>probably the kind of thing they are very very good at.

Maybe, but I think it would be very hard to write a general-purpose stego 
detector, without knowing the techniques used for encoding the message.  And if 
you know the distribution of your cover channel as well as your attacker, or 
can generate lots of values from that distribution even if you can'd describe 
it, you can encode messages in a way that provably can't be detected, down to 
the quality of your random number generator and the difficulty of guessing your 
key.  

I imagine this as something much like a virus scanner.  Look for known stego 
programs, and also for signatures of known stegp programs.  Really good 
programs might be impossible to find without doing, say, a password search.  

But it's worth noting that AQ has to do key management just like the rest of 
us, and that's hard when you are communicating with a lot of different people.  
If your stego is password-protected, some terrorist's laptop is going to have a 
post-it note on the screen with the password.  

..
>-TD

--John Kelsey

Re: Mixmaster is dead, long live wardriving

[Joseph Ashwood]

- Original Message - 
From: "Major Variola (ret)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Mixmaster is dead, long live wardriving


At 07:47 PM 12/9/04 -0800, Joseph Ashwood wrote:
If the Klan doesn't have
a right to wear pillowcases what makes you think mixmaster will
survive?
Well besides the misinterprettaion of the ruling, which I will ignore,
what
makes you think MixMaster isn't already dead?
OK, substitute "wardriving email injection when wardriving is otherwise
legal" for Mixmastering, albeit the former is less secure since the
injection lat/long is known.  And you need to use a disposable
Wifi card or at least one with a mutable MAC.
Wardriving is also basically dead. Sure there are a handful of people that 
do it, but the number is so small as to be irrelevant. Checking the logs for 
my network (which does run WEP so the number of attacks may be reduced from 
unprotected) in the last 2 years someone (other than those authorized) has 
attempted to connect about 1000 times, of those only 4 made repeated 
attempts, 2 succeeded and hit the outside of the IPSec server (I run WEP as 
a courtesy to the rest of the connection attempts). That means that in the 
last 2 years there have been at most 4 attempts at wardriving my network, 
and I live in a population dense part of San Jose. Wardriving can also be 
declared dead. Glancing at the wireless networks visible from my computer I 
currently see 6, all using at least WEP (earlier there were 7, still all 
encrypted). I regularly drive down through Los Angeles, when I have stopped 
for gas or food and checked I rarely see an unprotected network. The WEP 
message has gotten out, and the higher security versions are getting the 
message out as well. Now all it will take is a small court ruling that 
whatever comes out of your network you are responsible for, and the 
available wardriving targets will quickly drop to almost 0.

Wardriving is either dead or dying.
Or consider a Napster-level popular app which includes mixing or
onion routing.
Now we're back to the MixMaster argument. Mixmaster was meant to be a 
"Napster-level popular app" for emailing, but people just don't care about 
anonymity. Such an app would need to have a seperate primary purpose. The 
problem with this is that, as we've seen with Freenet, the extra security 
layering can actually undermine the usability, leading to a functional 
collapse. If a proper medium can be struck then such an application can 
become popular, I don't expect this to happen any time soon.
   Joe 

Re: "Word" Of the Subgenius...

[Tyler Durden]

Oh no, I fully understood those arguments and conceeded that in certain 
scenarios such ethnic groups might experience disproportionate amounts of 
impact.

However, when we start talking about actively putting them up the chimneys, 
then we've moved into making such ethnic groups targets.

Hey...there's nothing saying a smart person can't end up a racist. However, 
it is to be expected that a smart racist will have particularly clever 
arguments to justify such racism.

In addition, I suspect that some of our more robust inner-city dwellers 
might actually adapt quite quickly to such scenarios. As for trailer trash, 
however...

-TD

From: "Major Variola (ret)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: "Word" Of the Subgenius...
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 19:01:04 -0800
At 11:21 AM 12/9/04 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote:
>
>Well, May seemed to try to make the case that all of those "useles
eaters"
>were in large part responsible for the very existence of the state, and
that
>collapse of the state meant the inevitable downfall of huge numbers of
>minorities (why he focused on them as opposed to white trailer trash I
don't
>know).
>
>But he was definitely advocating that racist viewpoints fall naturally
out
>of a crypto-anarchic approach.
Tyler:
A rational person has to admit that many parasitic folks of all albedos
are able to exist
because they occupy a govt-funded niche.
Without a welfare govt, those people would either 1. subsist on private
(ie voluntary) charity, 2. become useful by necessity 3. die of
starvation
4. die during attempts to coerce others with violence.
Depending on your beliefs about human demographics/nature, you will
assign variable percentages to these outcomes.
It *is* racist to think that genotypes in each bin will differ *IFF* you
*don't* ascribe this outcome to culture associated with genotypes.
But culturism is not racism, its recognition of how behavior and
evolution work.  I subscribe to and will defend culturism.
(I speak for myself, not TM (tm), though I may or may not be a duly
appointed pope of the church of strong cryptography; though recently
I've been trending towards being an Earthquaker,
who believes in tectonics, esp. during seismic events.  Our vatican
is in Parkfield BTW :-)

Re: SEC Probes Firms That Gather Data on Who Owns What Shares

[Major Variola (ret)]

At 10:51 AM 12/9/04 -0500, R.A. Hettinga wrote:
>cash payments of $50 to $100 per tip. The people add that a separate
>internal probe found that four employees of Mellon Financial Corp. had
>received Pittsburgh Pirates tickets, $50 American Express gift
certificates
>and boxes of steaks for such data.

Just for the newbies, these are all bearer instruments, in RAHspeak.
Bearer instruments (incl. gold, tobacco, whiskey, goats, etc.)
let you do things that you don't want monitored.  They also have
'finders keepers' property, which is a corollary, and a bug (not a
feature) should you lose your wallet/stash.  This is a hard property
to imbue digicash with because you need to prevent double-spending,
which generally requires some kind of online access, also a feature.
(Think gas station in the boonies without a credit card terminal;
only cash, gold, silver, Pu, etc if the vendor believes he is competent
to verify
those precious elements, etc.)

RE: Blinky Rides Again: RCMP suspect al-Qaida messages

[J.A. Terranson]

On Thu, 9 Dec 2004, Tyler Durden wrote:

> Those cops you taught...do you think they were stupid enough to assume that,
> because this was their first time hearing about Stego, that Al Qaeda was
> only starting to use it right then?


Thats an interesting question on several different levels:

(1) There is (both within LEAs and the rest of us) a wide range of
opinions as to the feasability of stego being used in the field for
anything useful.  Remember that USA "professional spies" (who spent over a
year learning tradcraft IIRC) had continuous problems with very simple
encryptions/decryptions in the real world.

(2) The folks in the "Al Qaeda is Satan" camp generally believe that not
only is stego in wide use, but that AlQ has somehow managed to turn it
into a high bandwidth channel which is being used every day to Subvert The
American Way Of Life and infect Our Precious Bodily Fluids.  No amount of
education seems to dissuade these people from their misbeliefs.

(3) The other camp believes that stego is a lab-only toy, unsuitable for
much of anything besides scaring the shit out of the people in the Satan
camp.

(4) I have yet to meet a full dozen people who share my belief that while
stego *may* be in use, if it is, that use is for one way messages of
semaphore-class messages only.  I really do not understand why this view
is poopoo'd by all sides, so I must be pretty dense?

-- 
Yours,

J.A. Terranson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
0xBD4A95BF

 Civilization is in a tailspin - everything is backwards, everything is
upside down- doctors destroy health, psychiatrists destroy minds, lawyers
destroy justice, the major media destroy information, governments destroy
freedom and religions destroy spirituality - yet it is claimed to be
healthy, just, informed, free and spiritual. We live in a social system
whose community, wealth, love and life is derived from alienation,
poverty, self-hate and medical murder - yet we tell ourselves that it is
biologically and ecologically sustainable.

The Bush plan to screen whole US population for mental illness clearly
indicates that mental illness starts at the top.

Rev Dr Michael Ellner

Re: Blinky Rides Again: RCMP suspect al-Qaida messages

[R.W. (Bob) Erickson]

J.A. Terranson wrote:
On Thu, 9 Dec 2004, Tyler Durden wrote:
 

Those cops you taught...do you think they were stupid enough to assume that,
because this was their first time hearing about Stego, that Al Qaeda was
only starting to use it right then?
   


Thats an interesting question on several different levels:
(1) There is (both within LEAs and the rest of us) a wide range of
opinions as to the feasability of stego being used in the field for
anything useful.  Remember that USA "professional spies" (who spent over a
year learning tradcraft IIRC) had continuous problems with very simple
encryptions/decryptions in the real world.
(2) The folks in the "Al Qaeda is Satan" camp generally believe that not
only is stego in wide use, but that AlQ has somehow managed to turn it
into a high bandwidth channel which is being used every day to Subvert The
American Way Of Life and infect Our Precious Bodily Fluids.  No amount of
education seems to dissuade these people from their misbeliefs.
(3) The other camp believes that stego is a lab-only toy, unsuitable for
much of anything besides scaring the shit out of the people in the Satan
camp.
(4) I have yet to meet a full dozen people who share my belief that while
stego *may* be in use, if it is, that use is for one way messages of
semaphore-class messages only.  I really do not understand why this view
is poopoo'd by all sides, so I must be pretty dense?
 

It only makes sense that transmitted stego payloads be simple codewords 
or signals.
For hand carried chunks of data, simple disguise is sufficient
The bulk transport of dangerous data is a threat model  that doesnt fit 
the situation.
Perhaps LEA confuse themselves thinking al-q is inciting a cultural 
revolution?

Re: Timing Paranoia

[R.W. (Bob) Erickson]

Roy M. Silvernail wrote:
R.A. Hettinga wrote:
At 10:16 PM -0500 12/9/04, Roy M. Silvernail wrote:
 

Imagine using observed timing to conclude that your agent provocateur
operates from geostationary orbit.
  

...And here I thought VALIS was all in his head...
 

Right idea, wrong book.
R. W. "Bob" is the frog on Detweiller's shoulder.
Tim would bake them
John word salads
While Bobrah sells tickets
to a geodesic  fantasyland
Detweiler mourns with Vulis,
Choate and Sunder trade insults
While Art and CJ make licences
in an authoritarian nightmare
me, I'm just a lawn mower