Re: Tool to generate an override file from packages?

[Anthony Towns]

On Mon, Sep 24, 2001 at 09:08:32PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
> >I've back ported any
> >number of unstable things for potato and not once been affected by
> >debhelper 3.
> Most sid packages have Build-Depends: debhelper 3 and DH_COMPAT=3 in
> debian/rules.

find pool/main -type f | grep '/.*/.*.diff.gz' | 
while read a; do zgrep -l DH_COMPAT=3 "$a"; done | 
sed 's,/[^/]*$,,' | uniq | wc
933 933   13697

find pool/main -type f | grep '/.*/.*.diff.gz' | sed 's,/[^/]*$,,' | uniq | wc
   35423542   49523

Seems a lot less than most packages.

In any case, though, wanting new packages to be written and uploaded,
and then expecting them somehow to suddenly work on a potato box without
any backporting doesn't make any sense either.

Cheers,
aj

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Re: [Q]: GNU inetutils and debian inetutils not in sync??

[Steve Langasek]

On Tue, 25 Sep 2001, Wichert Akkerman wrote:

> Previously Marcus Brinkmann wrote:
> > Of course the package is GPL'ed (just like sysklogd is GPL'ed, although it
> > is forked from the BSD code), but that is not the motivation.

> How can it be GPL'ed if it is modified BSD licensed code? Or has
> every line been rewritten?

The new-style BSD license is GPL compatible, where 'GPL compatible' means
someone can take code released under this license, modify it, and re-release
it under the GPL.

Steve Langasek
postmodern programmer

Re: debconf-gnome and locales

[Joey Hess]

Federico Di Gregorio wrote:
> just add a GtkScrolled at the top level. i'll do that for you (it is
> quite easy) if you tell me were the widget is built.

Well this is perl gtk, but if that's no obstacle, see
/usr/share/perl5/Debconf/FrontEnd/Gnome.pm, the new() method. You might
do better modifying Debconf/FrontEnd/Gnome.pm in debconf's source; that
version of the file has comments.

> i think that a series of checks is more clear than a single multiselect
> (if the choiches are limited). i know quite well gtk, if nobody else
> volunteers i'll look into that tomorrow.

It might be better for 3 or 4 items, but I think just using a
multiselect consistently would be less confusing.

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Re: ITP: kernel-patch-selinux

[Russell Coker]

On Tue, 25 Sep 2001 00:12, John Galt wrote:
> First of all, I doubt that you're going to have too much trouble getting a
> response from SElinux.  They've been pretty good on responding to their
> mailinglist: which, I might add, I see more than one Debian Developer has
> contributed to, yet you have not.  It would behoove you to actually look
> as if you really cared before ITPing.

I've read some of the archives, although they are incomplete and poorly 
indexed.

Did you have a point with this or do you just want to write more flames and 
waste everyone's time as usual?

> Secondly, since Debian's warranty is "no warranty", I fail to see how the
> expression of that in a license makes it non-free.

They ask that people agree to conditions before download.  We have no 
facilities for showing the conditions before downloading, they could 
potentially disagree with this.

> Thirdly, isn't this a question for -legal?

I think this is now being handled adequately in private mail.  A developer 
who has had prior contact with the NSA people is now dealing with the matter.

> On Sat, 22 Sep 2001, Russell Coker wrote:
> >I intend to package the kernel patch for NSA Security Enhanced Linux.
> >
> >Below is all the details on licenses.  My interpretation of the below
> > license details (copied from the web site) is that the kernel patch is
> > under the GPL and everything is fine.
> >
> >However is the issue about "warranty exclusion" etc which requires
> > "agreement before download" going to force me to use non-free for my
> > package?
> >
> >I know I could ask upstream for clarification of this issue, however the
> > NSA takes a long time to prepare public statements, and I imagine that
> > things will take longer now than they would have a few weeks ago...
> >
> >
> >
> >License statement from http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/license.html :
> >
> >All source code found on this site is released under the same terms and
> >conditions as the original sources. For example, the patches to the Linux
> >kernel, patches to many existing utilities, and new programs and libraries
> >available here are released under the terms and conditions of the GNU
> > General Public License (GPL). The patches to some existing utilities and
> > libraries available here are released under the terms and conditions of
> > the BSD license.
> >
> >I downloaded the patch from http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/src-disclaim.html
> >which has the following disclaimer:
> >
> >Before downloading this software, you must accept the warranty exclusion
> > and limitation of liability which appears below.
> >
> >WARRANTY EXCLUSION
> >
> >I expressly understand and agree that this software is a non-commercially
> >developed program that may contain "bugs" (as that term is used in the
> >industry) and that it may not function as intended. The software is
> > licensed "as is". NSA makes no, and hereby expressly disclaims all,
> > warranties, express, implied, statutory, or otherwise with respect to the
> > software, including noninfringement and the implied warranties of
> > merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose.
> >
> >LIMITATION OF LIABILITY
> >
> >In no event will NSA be liable for any damages, including loss of data,
> > lost profits, cost of cover, or other special, incidental, consequential,
> > direct or indirect damages arising from the software or the use thereof,
> > however caused and on any theory of liability. This limitation will apply
> > even if NSA has been advised of the possibility of such damage. I
> > acknowledge that this is a reasonable allocation of risk.

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Re: [Q]: GNU inetutils and debian inetutils not in sync??

[Branden Robinson]

On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 03:43:27AM +0200, Marcus Brinkmann wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 07:20:23AM -0700, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
> > GNU inetutils is a FSF implementation, ours is the original BSD.
> > 
> > The FSF is re-implementing long existing code so that they can GPL it.
> 
> Uh, this is dead wrong, at least in the case of inetutils.  The GNU inetutils
> started out as a port of the BSD code to the GNU Hurd platform, and it was 
> done
> by Miles Bader.  In a desire to do the right thing, the code was actually
> modified to be portable across many systems.  There are plans to do more with
> the code (new features etc).
> 
> Of course the package is GPL'ed (just like sysklogd is GPL'ed, although it
> is forked from the BSD code), but that is not the motivation.

Stop combatting hysteria with the facts.  Don't you know that's not how
this Project is supposed to work?

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Re: bind9-chroot (was: questions on ITP)

[Wichert Akkerman]

Previously Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> And scratch the second-most important feature of Debian (the first one being
> the DFSG)?  Do Not Move Config Files Out Of /etc. Ever. If you need it
> elsewhere, at least leave a symbolic link in place.

bind mounts.

Wichert.

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Re: [Q]: GNU inetutils and debian inetutils not in sync??

[Wichert Akkerman]

Previously Marcus Brinkmann wrote:
> Of course the package is GPL'ed (just like sysklogd is GPL'ed, although it
> is forked from the BSD code), but that is not the motivation.

How can it be GPL'ed if it is modified BSD licensed code? Or has
every line been rewritten?

Wichert.

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Re: bind9-chroot (was: questions on ITP)

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Mon, 24 Sep 2001, Christian Kurz wrote:
> Hm, that doesn't make much sense too me. I think the best thing would be
> to have /etc/bind inside $CHROOT and having no symlink. 

And scratch the second-most important feature of Debian (the first one being
the DFSG)?  Do Not Move Config Files Out Of /etc. Ever. If you need it
elsewhere, at least leave a symbolic link in place.

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Re: [Q]: GNU inetutils and debian inetutils not in sync??

[Marcus Brinkmann]

On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 04:04:08PM +0200, Francis ANDRE wrote:
> Hi DDG
> 
> I check out the www.gnu.org inetutils against debian inetutils and I found 
> them out of sync??
> 
> Could anybody tell me why??

Because we lack behind.  Jeff Bailey worked on repackaging the latest
snapshot, but work was interrupted.  He might pick it up later.

Note that currently it is only used on the Hurd (a port [of the packaging
stuff] to Debian GNU/Linux is upcoming, and the main reason for the delay).

Thanks,
Marcus

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Re: [Q]: GNU inetutils and debian inetutils not in sync??

[Marcus Brinkmann]

On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 07:20:23AM -0700, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
> GNU inetutils is a FSF implementation, ours is the original BSD.
> 
> The FSF is re-implementing long existing code so that they can GPL it.

Uh, this is dead wrong, at least in the case of inetutils.  The GNU inetutils
started out as a port of the BSD code to the GNU Hurd platform, and it was done
by Miles Bader.  In a desire to do the right thing, the code was actually
modified to be portable across many systems.  There are plans to do more with
the code (new features etc).

Of course the package is GPL'ed (just like sysklogd is GPL'ed, although it
is forked from the BSD code), but that is not the motivation.

Thanks,
Marcus

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ITP: kernel-patch-lsm

[Russell Coker]

It's web site is http://lsm.immunix.org/ .

License is GPL (see the note in include/linux/security.h in the patch).


LSM stands for Linux Security Module, it is used as the base of a number of 
projects on improving Linux security including the NSE Security Enhanced 
Linux project (which is the one that interests me).

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Re: debconf-gnome and locales

[Federico Di Gregorio]

On Tue, 2001-09-25 at 01:36, Joey Hess wrote:
> Daniel Burrows wrote:
> >   When using the Gnome frontend for debconf to configure the latest locales
> > upload, I get a list of checkboxes that's about 3 times the height of
> > my screen.  I don't know whose fault this is (which is why I'm not filing
> > a bug), but it should be fixed, either by having debconf handle this
> > sanely in the Gnome frontend, or by not passing such a long list of 
> > selections
> > to it.
> 
> Yeah I know about this problem (I have a 480 pixel high screen..).
> 
> This should be fixed in debconf, but I don't know how to do it. Fixing
> it right requires getting the gnome wizard widget to add a scrollbar
> somehow, so the page of widgets can be scrolled around. If someone who
> knows how can help, I'd love to do that.

just add a GtkScrolled at the top level. i'll do that for you (it is
quite easy) if you tell me were the widget is built.
  
> In the shorter term, there's really no reason for the gnome frontend to
> use a series of checkboxes for a multiselect question, when it could
> just use a single multi-select list. I can probably figure out how to do
> this on my own, and it's already on my TODO list, but again any help
> would be appreciated, as I'm not too familiar with gnome or gtk.

i think that a series of checks is more clear than a single multiselect
(if the choiches are limited). i know quite well gtk, if nobody else
volunteers i'll look into that tomorrow.

ciao,
federico
 
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On Sat, Sep 22, 2001 at 11:39:56AM +0200, Martin Quinson wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 20, 2001 at 07:29:41PM +0200, Eric Van Buggenhaut wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 20, 2001 at 12:03:12PM +0200, Martin Quinson wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > > 
> > > I would like to contact the french translator(s) of bf and di to see if 
> > > they
> > > need my help. 
> > > 
> > 
> > I used to maitain the French translation of the documentation of the
> > boot-floppies for the last year. We currently have 2 branches, one for 
> > potato
> > and one for woody.
> 
> Ah, zut, et quel est la branche principale ? I.e., quelle est la branche que
> j'ai récupéré quand je n'ai rien précisé ?

Woddy est à ce jour la branche MAIN

> 
> > Obviously any help is always welcome ;) 
> 
> Certes. Mais c'etait pour eviter le travail en double, aussi. (:
> 
> > I guess you have write access to cvs/boot-floppies right ?
> 
> Ben non. Je suis pas dévelopeur. En fait, j'en sais rien, j'ai le droit
> d'ecriture sur le site web, et aussi dans les docs, il me semble. Donc,
> j'essayerais quand j'en aurais besoin, et si ca marche pas, on verra.
> 
> Qu'est ce que tu (ou quiconque) traduis en ce moment ? Qu'est ce que je peux
> traduire sans marcher sur les pieds de quiconque ? J'ai une nette préférence
> pour les fichiers po par rapport à la documentation en blabla-ML, mais s'il
> faut vraiment, ...

Moi je m'occupe des .sgml

Comme je n'ai jamais vraiment prêté attention aux fichiers .po ça tombe bien.
Bon, ben vas-y attaque ! Fais les commit toi-même si tu peux. Sinon, envoie-moi
les .diff et je ferai le commit pour toi.

> 
> 
> Voila, voila, Mt.
> 
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[Eric Van Buggenhaut]

Hi this is a message for Martin Quinson.

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On Sat, Sep 22, 2001 at 11:39:56AM +0200, Martin Quinson wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 20, 2001 at 07:29:41PM +0200, Eric Van Buggenhaut wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 20, 2001 at 12:03:12PM +0200, Martin Quinson wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > > 
> > > I would like to contact the french translator(s) of bf and di to see if 
> > > they
> > > need my help. 
> > > 
> > 
> > I used to maitain the French translation of the documentation of the
> > boot-floppies for the last year. We currently have 2 branches, one for 
> > potato
> > and one for woody.
> 
> Ah, zut, et quel est la branche principale ? I.e., quelle est la branche que
> j'ai récupéré quand je n'ai rien précisé ?

Woddy est à ce jour la branche MAIN

> 
> > Obviously any help is always welcome ;) 
> 
> Certes. Mais c'etait pour eviter le travail en double, aussi. (:
> 
> > I guess you have write access to cvs/boot-floppies right ?
> 
> Ben non. Je suis pas dévelopeur. En fait, j'en sais rien, j'ai le droit
> d'ecriture sur le site web, et aussi dans les docs, il me semble. Donc,
> j'essayerais quand j'en aurais besoin, et si ca marche pas, on verra.
> 
> Qu'est ce que tu (ou quiconque) traduis en ce moment ? Qu'est ce que je peux
> traduire sans marcher sur les pieds de quiconque ? J'ai une nette préférence
> pour les fichiers po par rapport à la documentation en blabla-ML, mais s'il
> faut vraiment, ...

Moi je m'occupe des .sgml

Comme je n'ai jamais vraiment prêté attention aux fichiers .po ça tombe bien.
Bon, ben vas-y attaque ! Fais les commit toi-même si tu peux. Sinon, envoie-moi
les .diff et je ferai le commit pour toi.

> 
> 
> Voila, voila, Mt.
> 
> -- 
> Un clavier azerty en vaut deux.

hahahaha ;)

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Re: debconf-gnome and locales

[Joey Hess]

Daniel Burrows wrote:
>   When using the Gnome frontend for debconf to configure the latest locales
> upload, I get a list of checkboxes that's about 3 times the height of
> my screen.  I don't know whose fault this is (which is why I'm not filing
> a bug), but it should be fixed, either by having debconf handle this
> sanely in the Gnome frontend, or by not passing such a long list of selections
> to it.

Yeah I know about this problem (I have a 480 pixel high screen..).

This should be fixed in debconf, but I don't know how to do it. Fixing
it right requires getting the gnome wizard widget to add a scrollbar
somehow, so the page of widgets can be scrolled around. If someone who
knows how can help, I'd love to do that.

In the shorter term, there's really no reason for the gnome frontend to
use a series of checkboxes for a multiselect question, when it could
just use a single multi-select list. I can probably figure out how to do
this on my own, and it's already on my TODO list, but again any help
would be appreciated, as I'm not too familiar with gnome or gtk.

-- 
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Re: Potato to Woody upgrade problem

[Noah L. Meyerhans]

On Mon, Sep 24, 2001 at 11:53:38AM -0400, Dale Scheetz wrote:
> I copied XF86Config from my old Woody system into the newly upgraded
> system and, while startx works just fine, wdm starts up but doesn't start
> the server, or log any messages in /var/log/wdm.log. (the log file exists,
> but is empty) (current version of wdm is: 1.20-11.2)

What's in /etc/X11/default-display-manager and /etc/X11/wdm/Xservers?

noah

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Re: ITP: kernel-patch-selinux

[John Galt]

First of all, I doubt that you're going to have too much trouble getting a
response from SElinux.  They've been pretty good on responding to their
mailinglist: which, I might add, I see more than one Debian Developer has
contributed to, yet you have not.  It would behoove you to actually look
as if you really cared before ITPing.

Secondly, since Debian's warranty is "no warranty", I fail to see how the
expression of that in a license makes it non-free.

Thirdly, isn't this a question for -legal?

On Sat, 22 Sep 2001, Russell Coker wrote:

>I intend to package the kernel patch for NSA Security Enhanced Linux.
>
>Below is all the details on licenses.  My interpretation of the below license
>details (copied from the web site) is that the kernel patch is under the GPL
>and everything is fine.
>
>However is the issue about "warranty exclusion" etc which requires "agreement
>before download" going to force me to use non-free for my package?
>
>I know I could ask upstream for clarification of this issue, however the NSA
>takes a long time to prepare public statements, and I imagine that things
>will take longer now than they would have a few weeks ago...
>
>
>
>License statement from http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/license.html :
>
>All source code found on this site is released under the same terms and
>conditions as the original sources. For example, the patches to the Linux
>kernel, patches to many existing utilities, and new programs and libraries
>available here are released under the terms and conditions of the GNU General
>Public License (GPL). The patches to some existing utilities and libraries
>available here are released under the terms and conditions of the BSD license.
>
>I downloaded the patch from http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/src-disclaim.html
>which has the following disclaimer:
>
>Before downloading this software, you must accept the warranty exclusion and
>limitation of liability which appears below.
>
>WARRANTY EXCLUSION
>
>I expressly understand and agree that this software is a non-commercially
>developed program that may contain "bugs" (as that term is used in the
>industry) and that it may not function as intended. The software is licensed
>"as is". NSA makes no, and hereby expressly disclaims all, warranties,
>express, implied, statutory, or otherwise with respect to the software,
>including noninfringement and the implied warranties of merchantability and
>fitness for a particular purpose.
>
>LIMITATION OF LIABILITY
>
>In no event will NSA be liable for any damages, including loss of data, lost
>profits, cost of cover, or other special, incidental, consequential, direct or
>indirect damages arising from the software or the use thereof, however caused
>and on any theory of liability. This limitation will apply even if NSA has
>been advised of the possibility of such damage. I acknowledge that this is a
>reasonable allocation of risk.
>
>

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Re: bind9-chroot (was: questions on ITP)

[Christian Kurz]

On 01-09-24 Martin F Krafft wrote:
> also sprach Christian Kurz (on Mon, 24 Sep 2001 10:31:54AM +0200):
> > So you want to force everyone who is interested in running this chroot
> > to use a kernel 2.4.x at least? That's in my opinion a not acceptable
> > solution, since the decision which kernel is used, should never be
> > depending on a chroot-setup, but on the decision of the system
> > administrator. So this script should work with kernel 2.2.x and 2.4.x so
> > that everyone can use it with the kernel version he likes to use. 
> 
> okay, you do have a point. it's not too difficult to make bind
> chrooted without remounting /etc/bind - one way would be to store

Thanks, that would be in my opinion the best option, since that way
every administrator can use the kernel version he wants.

> $CHROOT/etc/bind in the chroot, and then have a symlink from the real
> /etc/bind to the chroot one.

Hm, that doesn't make much sense too me. I think the best thing would be
to have /etc/bind inside $CHROOT and having no symlink. 

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Re: bind9-chroot (was: questions on ITP)

[Christian Kurz]

On 01-09-24 Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Sep 24, Christian Kurz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>  >So you want to force everyone who is interested in running this chroot
>  >to use a kernel 2.4.x at least? That's in my opinion a not acceptable
> Yes, since managing a chroot environment without bind mounts is way

It maybe harder, but that's not a good reason to force system
administrator to run a kernel 2.4.x for having the bind debian package
chrooted. The reason which kernel version is used on a server should
always belong to the admin and should never be imposed by some software.

> harder and IMO cannot easily/correctly be done by a package.

Why not? What do you think makes that part so difficult?

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debconf-gnome and locales

[Daniel Burrows]

  When using the Gnome frontend for debconf to configure the latest locales
upload, I get a list of checkboxes that's about 3 times the height of
my screen.  I don't know whose fault this is (which is why I'm not filing
a bug), but it should be fixed, either by having debconf handle this
sanely in the Gnome frontend, or by not passing such a long list of selections
to it.

  Daniel

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Re: Loader

[Lauri Tischler]

"BERNARDES,JOAN (Non-HP-Brazil,ex1)" wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> This question don't have nothing to do with Debian, but I will try.
> I want to know if exists an MS-DOS Loader for Linux. There is any
> tool that can load DOS under Linux? (Like loadlin load Linux in DOS).
> Thanks,
> Joan.

Depends what you want:
If you want to boot the machine to DOS using LILO then 
make a partition with DOS in it and config LILO to boot from there.

If you want to run DOS programs in LINUX in DOS window,
look for program DOSEMU

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Re: Tool to generate an override file from packages?

[Marc Haber]

On 23 Sep 2001 21:36:12 +0100, James Troup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Marc Haber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> >Any new tool that hypothetically gets written or packages isn't going
>> >to get put in potato either.
>> 
>> Having spent four hours last night to try getting a debhelper 3
>> (unsuccessfully) backported to potato makes me wince at _any_
>> backporting effort.
>
>'any'? What on earth are you talking about?

This is a misunderstanding.

>I've back ported any
>number of unstable things for potato and not once been affected by
>debhelper 3.

Most sid packages have Build-Depends: debhelper 3 and DH_COMPAT=3 in
debian/rules.

Greetings
Marc

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Re: Loader

[Scott Dier]

* BERNARDES,JOAN (Non-HP-Brazil,ex1) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010924 13:33]:
>   Hi all, 
>   This question don't have nothing to do with Debian, but I will try.
>   I want to know if exists an MS-DOS Loader for Linux. There is any
> tool that can load DOS under Linux? (Like loadlin load Linux in DOS).

You might want to have a lilo dos target and use 'lilo -R dos' then
issue a reboot.

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Loader

[BERNARDES,JOAN \(Non-HP-Brazil,ex1\)]

Hi all, 
This question don't have nothing to do with Debian, but I will try.
I want to know if exists an MS-DOS Loader for Linux. There is any
tool that can load DOS under Linux? (Like loadlin load Linux in DOS).
Thanks,
Joan.


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Re: ITP: kernel-patch-selinux

[John Hasler]

 Russell Coker wrote:
> I intend to package the kernel patch for NSA Security Enhanced Linux. 
> Below is all the details on licenses.  My interpretation of the below license 
> details (copied from the web site) is that the kernel patch is under the GPL 
> and everything is fine.
> However is the issue about "warranty exclusion" etc which requires "agreement 
> before download" going to force me to use non-free for my package?

Note that http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/src-disclaim.html begins "Before
downloading this software..." and is titled "Legal Notices", not "License"
(and has "disclaim" in the URL).  I think that means that _you_ are
required to agree before downloading from their site.  Someone installing
your Debian package is not downloading from their site and so has no need
to read the notice.

http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/license.html makes it very clear that the
license terms are DFSG compliant.
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Re: ITP: kernel-patch-selinux

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Mon, 24 Sep 2001, Eric Van Buggenhaut wrote:

> On Sat, Sep 22, 2001 at 05:36:26PM +0200, Russell Coker wrote:
> > I intend to package the kernel patch for NSA Security Enhanced Linux.
> > 
> > Below is all the details on licenses.  My interpretation of the below 
> > license 
> > details (copied from the web site) is that the kernel patch is under the 
> > GPL 
> > and everything is fine.
> > 
> > However is the issue about "warranty exclusion" etc which requires 
> > "agreement 
> > before download" going to force me to use non-free for my package?
> 
> Wouldn't it be OK if you simply include WARRANTY EXCLUSION and LIMITATION Of
> LIABILITY clauses in debian/copyright ?

I'm afraid you can't simply do that without permission of the original
authors. The reason you have to read this legal stuff before downloading
is that you can't deny having read it afterwards. If this is packaged, you
can do so. Lawyers won't like that...



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  -- From the movie "Antitrust"

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Potato to Woody upgrade problem

[Dale Scheetz]

I was gifted with a 2 gig SCSI drive, so the first thing I tried was
installing a system.

I installed Potato from a set of CheapBytes CDs, but did not set up X at
that time. Then I upgraded over PPP to the latest Woody archives. The
"automatic" X setup failed, but then I've never had that work for me.

I copied XF86Config from my old Woody system into the newly upgraded
system and, while startx works just fine, wdm starts up but doesn't start
the server, or log any messages in /var/log/wdm.log. (the log file exists,
but is empty) (current version of wdm is: 1.20-11.2)

With no clues from the log file, I'm stumped. Anyone have any idea what
I'm missing? (I have config files in /etc/X11 as well as a link in
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11...)

BTW, dist-upgrade failed, suggesting the -f, which I did. It actually took
3 cycles of dist-upgrade followed by -f before I got a clean setup. I also
had to go over the dpkg -l listing and clean up the remaining rc statused
packages. At this point, all packages are "ii" so I have a clean system
where wdm isn't working...

When I recently upgraded my older, working X system, the resulting upgrade
worked fine to start the server, but I now have the gnome "preferences"
icon on my desktop configured to look for the preferences program in the
wrong place. (the program is in the new location while the icon still
looks in the old place) Any ideas how to fix the icon?

TIA,

Dwarf
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Re: bind9-chroot (was: questions on ITP)

[Marco d'Itri]

On Sep 24, Christian Kurz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 >So you want to force everyone who is interested in running this chroot
 >to use a kernel 2.4.x at least? That's in my opinion a not acceptable
Yes, since managing a chroot environment without bind mounts is way
harder and IMO cannot easily/correctly be done by a package.

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Marco

Re: How many people need locales?

[Marcin Owsiany]

On Sun, Sep 23, 2001 at 10:45:13PM -0400, Adam Di Carlo wrote:
> Eduard Bloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Okay, if nobody objects I will start implementing support for it in
> > boot-floppies (dbootstrap).
> 
> We already support all this.  Please work with what we have - don't
> reinvent the wheel.  We just need some help with the fonts, now, I
> belive.  Not sure if slang-wide every was uploaded, either...

Fonts seem OK. What needs fixing is how dbootstrap displays boxes while
running in a bterm.
Please see my posts to -boot from this month for more information.

Marcin

Bug#113364: ITP: libacme-poe-knee-perl -- Time sliced pony race using the POE kernel.

[Steve Kowalik]

Package: wnpp
Version: N/A; reported 2001-09-25
Severity: wishlist

* Package name: libacme-poe-knee-perl
  Version : 1.02
  Upstream Author : Jos Boumans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://japh.nu/index.cgi?base=modules
* License : Perl Artistic License 
  Description : Time sliced pony race using the POE kernel.
 
 POE::Knee is an acronym of "Pony".  We all like ponies. And wouldn't we
 love to race ponies? Well, that's what Acme::POE::Knee is for!

 You specify a distance the ponies must run, and a maximum delay before
 the pony will reach the next step. So, the bigger the delay, the bigger
 the distance between multiple ponies can be.
  
-- System Information
Debian Release: testing/unstable
Architecture: i386
Kernel: Linux broken 2.4.9 #1 Sun Sep 2 05:57:38 EST 2001 i686
Locale: LANG=C, LC_CTYPE=C

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overpass.

Re: dpkg logging

[Massimo Dal Zotto]

> > > Regardless of whether packages are using debconf, I have wondered for 
> > > *years*
> > > why we didn't at least have the option of logging stdout and stderr from
> > > everything in the install/update process.  I think it's a good idea.
> > >
> > > Bdale
> >
> > I have proposed this two years ago and implemented it in my automatic
> > installer for slink. The idea is to start a script session from an
> > initscript hook for vt1 and have all the debian installation started
> > automagically by the shell run by script with all output logged into
> > a logfile.
> >
> > Since all can be done with shell script hacks this solution is very
> > easy to implement and requires very few changes to the installation
> > program. A simple shell wrapper should work.
> 
> Yes please. Where can I find it?

Here it is my script-wrapper hack:

#!/bin/bash
# Usage: script-wrapper command args...
if ! grep -q "SCRIPT_CMD=" ~/.bashrc; then
cat >> ~/.bashrc <<- EOF
# Added by `script-wrapper' hack
if [ "$SCRIPT_CMD" ]; then
test "$VERBOSE" && echo "/bin/bash -c '$SCRIPT_CMD'"
SCRIPT_CMD="" /bin/bash -c "$SCRIPT_CMD"
exit $?
fi
EOF
fi
SCRIPT_CMD="$*" script

Since script doesn't take a -c "command" option you need this hack which
unfortunately is bash-specific. A better solution would be to add the -c
option to the script command.
You can try my script with: "script-wrapper ls -l" or whatever command
you need.

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Re: Tool to generate an override file from packages?

[Admar Schoonen]

On Sun, Sep 23, 2001 at 10:15:06PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Sep 2001 03:55:45 +1000, Anthony Towns
>  wrote:
> >On Sun, Sep 23, 2001 at 07:34:34PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
> >> On Sun, 23 Sep 2001 16:43:05 +0200, Admar Schoonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> wrote:
> >> >apt-ftparchive is in the apt-utils package
> >> But not in potato. The mirror server is a potato box.
> >
> >Any new tool that hypothetically gets written or packages isn't going
> >to get put in potato either.
> 
> Having spent four hours last night to try getting a debhelper 3
> (unsuccessfully) backported to potato makes me wince at _any_
> backporting effort. This might differ tomorrow.
I have apt 0.5.4 for potato; not all of apt's documentation is in the
package (had some problems with them). Anyway, if you want them, I
can upload them somewhere.

Cheers,
Admar Schoonen

Re: new packages: divx4linux and transcode

[Christian Marillat]

 "AM" == Andreas Metzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Mon, Sep 24, 2001 at 02:57:05PM +0200, Christian Marillat wrote:
>>> While reading that discussion I do get the impression that
>>> OpenDivX is not DFSG compatible.
>> 
>> Yes, And this is why I don't want to include transcode or x2divx or
>> another in Debian. Whitout codecs these packages are unusable like vcr.

> vcr uses avifile, which is not restricted to the win*-codecs anymore,
> but supports/includes libffmpeg (http://ffmpeg.sourceforge.net GPL),
> too.

But avifile need lame to encode sound no ?

Christian

Re: new packages: divx4linux and transcode

[Andreas Metzler]

On Mon, Sep 24, 2001 at 02:57:05PM +0200, Christian Marillat wrote:
>> While reading that discussion I do get the impression that
>> OpenDivX is not DFSG compatible.
> 
> Yes, And this is why I don't want to include transcode or x2divx or
> another in Debian. Whitout codecs these packages are unusable like vcr.

vcr uses avifile, which is not restricted to the win*-codecs anymore,
but supports/includes libffmpeg (http://ffmpeg.sourceforge.net GPL),
too.
cu andreas

Fwd: WiadomoÅÄ nie mogÅa byÄ dostarczona

[Martin F Krafft]

could we temporarily unsubscribe this dude until he clears out his
mailbox? please!

- Forwarded message from Tomek Zubilew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -

Date:   24 Sep 2001 14:42:30 GMT
From: "Tomek Zubilew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Martin F Krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: WiadomoÅÄ nie mogÅa byÄ dostarczona
X-Mailer: http://www.ahoj.pl - WEBMAIL

Przykro mi, ale Twoja wiadomo?? o temacie "Re: bind9-chroot (was: questions on 
ITP)" nie mog?a by?
dostarczona do adresata ("Tomek Zubilew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>). Powodem tego 
jest przekroczenie dozwolonej
pojemno?ci jej/jego skrzynki pocztowej, spr?buj p??niej.

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Re: new packages: divx4linux and transcode

[Christian Marillat]

 "GS" == Guus Sliepen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

[...]

>> Yes. Read legal archive:
>> 
>> http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2001/debian-legal-200101/threads.html#00027

> While reading that discussion I do get the impression that OpenDivX is not 
> DFSG compatible.

Yes, And this is why I don't want to include transcode or x2divx or
another in Debian. Whitout codecs these packages are unusable like vcr.

Christian

Re: how to get full package url from apt-cache?

[Piotr Krukowiecki]

On Mon, 24 Sep 2001, Steve Kowalik wrote:

> On Sun, Sep 23, 2001 at 11:09:54PM +0200, Massimo Dal Zotto uttered:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > is it possible to get the full URL of a package (the one which is passed
> > by apt-get to dpkg for package installation) from apt-cache or some other
> > standard tool? What I would lite to do is something like this:
> > 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo apt-get --print-uris install xserver-svga
> Reading Package Lists... Done
> Building Dependency Tree... Done
> The following extra packages will be installed:
>   xserver-common-v3 
> The following NEW packages will be installed:
>   xserver-common-v3 xserver-svga 
> 0 packages upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1  not upgraded.
> Need to get 1771kB of archives. After unpacking 4002kB will be used.
> Do you want to continue? [Y/n]  
> 'http://people.debian.org/~branden/woody/i386/xserver-common-v3_3.3.6-38pre39v2_i386.deb'
>  xserver-common-v3_3.3.6-38pre39v2_i386.deb 419296 
> e1e994635fda022d7ed5aef05433d679
> 'http://people.debian.org/~branden/woody/i386/xserver-svga_3.3.6-38pre39v2_i386.deb'
>  xserver-svga_3.3.6-38pre39v2_i386.deb 1351522 
> 05662fb59442673f623db7f7888205d8

Will it work if something is broken? E.g i remember, that even with
-d (download) apt-get refused to do anything saying that package is not
configured (or sth., can't remember)


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Re: new packages: divx4linux and transcode

[Guus Sliepen]

On Mon, Sep 24, 2001 at 02:01:15PM +0200, Christian Marillat wrote:

> > IIUC, this message refers to using codecs from microsoft.com, while the
> > divx4linux library provides equivalent,free codecs.
> 
> > Is this correct ?
> 
> Yes. Read legal archive:
> 
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2001/debian-legal-200101/threads.html#00027

While reading that discussion I do get the impression that OpenDivX is not DFSG 
compatible.

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Re: new packages: divx4linux and transcode

[Christian Marillat]

 "EVB" == Eric Van Buggenhaut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

[...]

>> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2001/debian-devel-200101/msg02634.html, 
>> I
>> guess.

> IIUC, this message refers to using codecs from microsoft.com, while the
> divx4linux library provides equivalent,free codecs.

> Is this correct ?

Yes. Read legal archive:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2001/debian-legal-200101/threads.html#00027

Christian

Re: Tool to generate an override file from packages?

[Lindsay Allen]

On Sun, 23 Sep 2001, Admar Schoonen wrote:

> On Sun, Sep 23, 2001 at 03:05:59PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > quite a few people maintain their own aptable archives of packages -
> > whether for internal use or for publication. In that environment,
> > override files don't serve a purpose since the ftp maintainer is also
> > the package maintainer. However dpkg-scanpackages complains about
> > every package it doesn't find in the override file.
> apt-ftparchive doesn't complain about it.
> AFAIK apt-ftparchive is the successor of dpkg-scanpackages and contains more
> functionality (if you only want to use apt-ftparchive just like
> dpkg-scanpackages, use 'apt-ftparchive packages')
>
> apt-ftparchive is in the apt-utils package

I have need of the script which generates .../dists/sid/Release.
AFAIKT it is not in apt-ftparchives.  Can anyone help here, please?

TIA

Lindsay
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Re: new port: and the winner is....

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Mon, 24 Sep 2001, Jules Bean wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 21, 2001 at 05:00:48PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> > On Fri, 21 Sep 2001, Richard B. Kreckel wrote:
> > > The social contract says "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free 
> > > Software".  
> > > Such a win-port might indeed serve some users.  But for my own part, I do
> > > have some personal problems with making all free software win-compatible. 
> > >  
> > > Does it serve Free Software?  Such ports frequently lead to crippled
> > > design [1] and frankly, I do not like to give people more excuses for not
> > > switching to an entirely free OS.
> > 
> > Well, we cannot have Debian that runs over the Microsoft Windows(TM) kernel,
> > since the Windows kernel is an extremely non-free component, and nothing on
> > Debian can have a dependency on non-free *software*. Therefore there will
> > never be a Debian for arch "Windows" (or whatever it gets called).
> 
> This view may be a little narrow.

Well, I obviously don't think so...

> Many of the current debian architectures depend on non-free software
> in the bootstrapping process (e.g. BIOSes).

You mean firmware? We consider non-free firmware _shadow_ dependency (i.e.
the firmware needs to be there, but is not manipulated directly by the
package) ok in Debian. Kernels, we do not. 

Also, I don't see BIOS and hardware makers playing hard-ball with the Free
software community like Microsoft does.  *I* think of it as sleeping with a
bloodthirsty, unethical, immoral enemy in MS Windows case. And if it were
another non-free kernel (like BeOS, QNX...), I'd think of it as simply a
poor allocation of resources.

> And don't forget that before linux, free software was developed on
> non-free OSes most of the time...

The point being? We do not have to waste time with that now, at least not
with the kernel.  We still need not to get too trigger happy with hardware
and firmware, but otherwise...

I won't help a Microsoft windows port. I expect a lot of others not to. It
does not mean I'll lose my time trying to block such a port, but I *will*
take time to stop such a port from tainting the Debian name (if someone
pushes for it to become an officially supported port in the archive) UNTIL
there is a DFSG-compliant kernel for it to run on top of.

-- 
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  them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond
  where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot
  Henrique Holschuh

[Fwd: debian more international]

[Sulaiman Alhasawi]

--- Begin Message ---
Tomohiro KUBOTA wrote:

> Hello,

 Hi

>
>
> At Mon, 24 Sep 2001 15:39:58 +,
> Sulaiman Alhasawi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >   Hello debian developers . Im from Kuwait and arabic is my language . i
> > have been searching in debian
> >  for arabic support [ fonts , docs , etc  ] and found nothing . im
> > interested in joining your community
> >  and possibly taking care some of arabic projects .
>
> If you already have such things [fonts, docs, etc...] outside Debian,
> I recommend you to develop Debian packages for them.  For your packages
> to be included in Debian distribution, you will have to be a registered
> Debian developer.  Please read http://www.debian.org/devel/join/ for
> detail in joining Debian Project.  Registration into Debian is a long
> process which usually take months.  Thus, you will be interested in
> Sponsorship Program which is mentioned in the above webpage.  When
> developing Debian packages, please refer Developers' Corner
> http://www.debian.org/devel/ and you will find some useful documents.

 Yes i do have  fonts and i get more .  There are quite enough softwares that
already out and can help .

 I can maintain them for debian too .

>
>
> If you have to develop Arabic supports in upstream level (i.e.,
> mere packaging is insufficient), I suggest you to contact with
> the upstream developers of softwares.  For example, you may want
> to contact with developers of Rxvt and Xterm to ask Arab support.
>
> Also, I recommend you to maintain Arab web pages, documents, and
> other translations for Debian.  Please refer
> http://www.debian.org/international/ for detail.

  Sure . Thats what im interested in and thats why im here . Im already
translating LDP project with the

 help of my collegues becuase its so big .

>
>
> > i have good
> > experience in linux-unix and progaramming also . im just curious
> > to know what do you think of it ?
>
> Fantastic!  Debian intends to be a united "world version" distribution,
> unlike other distributions or OSes (for example, we buy Japanese version
> of MS Windows).  I am sure every Debian members will welcome the
> addition of Arab support.
>
> > unfortunately
> > i dont know any developer who
> >  can recommend me because i have not communicated with any one so far .
>
> A problem.  Becoming a member of Debian Project needs an "advocate"
> and some personal identification.  I think you can easily get your
> advocate.  To do so, please do your work and ask comments in this
> mailing list (or some other appropreate ones).  If a registered
> developer admits your work as useful, he/she will be an advocate.
> I think the most difficult step will be the Identification
> http://www.debian.org/devel/join/nm-step2 .  Please consult with
> new-maintainer committee for this problem.
>
> > also i havent seen
> > a real  arabic project  maintained by a developer .
>
> I think this is not a problem.
>
> > i would like debian
> > to become
> >  a better distro by covering more languages  and becomes more
> > international .
>
> I agree.
>
> > any ideas ?
>
> Join us! :-)

   Great .. i have read those pages you refered to . I want to know what the
first thing i should do . Should

 i register my self into  http://nm.debian.org or what  ?? I really
appreciate some advice .

  Thanks

>
>
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Re: samba cvs debian packages?

[Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo]

El Fri, Sep 21, 2001 at 01:23:43PM -0400, Eloy A. Paris escribía:

 BTW, Eloy
  
  Do you know if version 2.2.2 is going to be released with passdb LDAP
  support? I think that it is going backported from HEAD cvs version, but
  I'm not very sure. Would you mind to compile SAMBA with LDAP support if 
  it is released upstream?

Thanks!

> Andreas,
> 
> I don't have packages for recent CVS sources but I am working on it. I
> am a bit behind because winbind is new in the current CVS tree for
> what will become Samba 2.2.2 so I am making modifications to the
> Debian packages to accomodate for new binary packages (for winbind and
> friends.) Besides, I am working on adding debconf support. All this
> has dragged me down a bit. Will keep you posted.
> 


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Re: new packages: divx4linux and transcode

[Eric Van Buggenhaut]

On Mon, Sep 24, 2001 at 12:25:28PM +0200, Guus Sliepen wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 24, 2001 at 12:15:43PM +0200, Eric Van Buggenhaut wrote:
> 
> > Is there any problem keeping them from being included in Debian ?
> 
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2001/debian-devel-200101/msg02634.html, I
> guess.

IIUC, this message refers to using codecs from microsoft.com, while the
divx4linux library provides equivalent,free codecs.

Is this correct ?

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Re: iso 8859-6 fonts

[Anton Zinoviev]

On 21.IX.2001 at 05:48 Sulaiman Fahad Alhasawi wrote:
>  
>  who maintain arabic fonts/programs ?
>  If yes , may i know who ? if no , can some one 
> 
>  apply to do so ?

I would like to maintain Arabic fonts for Debian.  Can you give me URLs
where I can find such fonts?

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Re: bind9-chroot (was: questions on ITP)

[Martin F Krafft]

also sprach Christian Kurz (on Mon, 24 Sep 2001 10:31:54AM +0200):
> So you want to force everyone who is interested in running this chroot
> to use a kernel 2.4.x at least? That's in my opinion a not acceptable
> solution, since the decision which kernel is used, should never be
> depending on a chroot-setup, but on the decision of the system
> administrator. So this script should work with kernel 2.2.x and 2.4.x so
> that everyone can use it with the kernel version he likes to use. 

okay, you do have a point. it's not too difficult to make bind
chrooted without remounting /etc/bind - one way would be to store
$CHROOT/etc/bind in the chroot, and then have a symlink from the real
/etc/bind to the chroot one.

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Re: Please move autoconf and autoconf2.13 into testing

[Petr Cech]

On Mon, Sep 24, 2001 at 08:45:06AM +0200 , Simon Richter wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> it seems those two packages are depending on each other and are thus
> stuck. php4-dev depends on autoconf2.13 and is also stuck therefore. Could

if php4 was stuck only because of autoconf I'd jump of joy

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Re: new packages: divx4linux and transcode

[Guus Sliepen]

On Mon, Sep 24, 2001 at 12:15:43PM +0200, Eric Van Buggenhaut wrote:

> Is there any problem keeping them from being included in Debian ?

http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2001/debian-devel-200101/msg02634.html, I
guess.

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Re: new packages: divx4linux and transcode

[Eric Van Buggenhaut]

On Sun, Sep 23, 2001 at 11:33:29PM +0200, Guus Sliepen wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 23, 2001 at 11:17:47PM +0200, NORMAND Jacques wrote:
> 
> > I want to pack the divx4linux codec on one hand and the transcode utilities
> > on the other. But I never packed libraries and docs aren't that clear with
> > that topic. That's why I wan't some clarifications and guidances.
> > 
> > first of all, is there anyone planning the same work ???
> 
> Even better, someone has already done the work. See http://marillat.free.fr/
> for some excellent packages for various mpeg/avi/divx players and codecs made
> by Christian Marillat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.

Is there any problem keeping them from being included in Debian ?

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Re: new port: and the winner is....

[Jules Bean]

On Fri, Sep 21, 2001 at 05:00:48PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Sep 2001, Richard B. Kreckel wrote:
> > The social contract says "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software".  
> > Such a win-port might indeed serve some users.  But for my own part, I do
> > have some personal problems with making all free software win-compatible.  
> > Does it serve Free Software?  Such ports frequently lead to crippled
> > design [1] and frankly, I do not like to give people more excuses for not
> > switching to an entirely free OS.
> 
> Well, we cannot have Debian that runs over the Microsoft Windows(TM) kernel,
> since the Windows kernel is an extremely non-free component, and nothing on
> Debian can have a dependency on non-free *software*. Therefore there will
> never be a Debian for arch "Windows" (or whatever it gets called).

This view may be a little narrow.

Many of the current debian architectures depend on non-free software
in the bootstrapping process (e.g. BIOSes).

And don't forget that before linux, free software was developed on
non-free OSes most of the time...

Jules

Re: bind9-chroot (was: questions on ITP)

[Christian Kurz]

On 01-09-23 Martin F Krafft wrote:
> complicated for i did not know about the mount --bind option. sure,
> this only works with 2.4.x, but if any chroot changes to bind9 are
> going public, then this will be bundled with a 2.4.x kernel-image,
> right? will testing be 2.4.x?

So you want to force everyone who is interested in running this chroot
to use a kernel 2.4.x at least? That's in my opinion a not acceptable
solution, since the decision which kernel is used, should never be
depending on a chroot-setup, but on the decision of the system
administrator. So this script should work with kernel 2.2.x and 2.4.x so
that everyone can use it with the kernel version he likes to use. 

Christian
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Re: is dhelp completely broken

[Christian Marillat]

 "SH" == Stefan Hornburg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

[...]

> Christian, please make the NMU. It would be nice if the package is
> working now. 

> If you are _really_ kind, put 
> Stefan Hornburg (Racke) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> as maintainer in changelog/control, send the packages to me, and
> I'm upload them ASAP.

I'll send the source to you today.

Christian

Re: ITP: kernel-patch-selinux

[Eric Van Buggenhaut]

On Sat, Sep 22, 2001 at 05:36:26PM +0200, Russell Coker wrote:
> I intend to package the kernel patch for NSA Security Enhanced Linux.
> 
> Below is all the details on licenses.  My interpretation of the below license 
> details (copied from the web site) is that the kernel patch is under the GPL 
> and everything is fine.
> 
> However is the issue about "warranty exclusion" etc which requires "agreement 
> before download" going to force me to use non-free for my package?

Wouldn't it be OK if you simply include WARRANTY EXCLUSION and LIMITATION Of
LIABILITY clauses in debian/copyright ?

[...]


> WARRANTY EXCLUSION
>  
> I expressly understand and agree that this software is a non-commercially
> developed program that may contain "bugs" (as that term is used in the
> industry) and that it may not function as intended. The software is licensed
> "as is". NSA makes no, and hereby expressly disclaims all, warranties,
> express, implied, statutory, or otherwise with respect to the software,
> including noninfringement and the implied warranties of merchantability and
> fitness for a particular purpose.
>  
> LIMITATION OF LIABILITY
>  
> In no event will NSA be liable for any damages, including loss of data, lost
> profits, cost of cover, or other special, incidental, consequential, direct or
> indirect damages arising from the software or the use thereof, however caused
> and on any theory of liability. This limitation will apply even if NSA has
> been advised of the possibility of such damage. I acknowledge that this is a
> reasonable allocation of risk.
> 
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Re: dpkg logging

[Tomas Pospisek]

On Sun, 23 Sep 2001, Massimo Dal Zotto wrote:

> > > Previously Steve Greenland wrote:
> > > > Stdout and stderr from the maintainer scripts. (This may be obvious, but
> > >> you didn't explicitly list it.)
> > >
> > > No, they should use debconf.
> >
> > Regardless of whether packages are using debconf, I have wondered for 
> > *years*
> > why we didn't at least have the option of logging stdout and stderr from
> > everything in the install/update process.  I think it's a good idea.
> >
> > Bdale
>
> I have proposed this two years ago and implemented it in my automatic
> installer for slink. The idea is to start a script session from an
> initscript hook for vt1 and have all the debian installation started
> automagically by the shell run by script with all output logged into
> a logfile.
>
> Since all can be done with shell script hacks this solution is very
> easy to implement and requires very few changes to the installation
> program. A simple shell wrapper should work.

Yes please. Where can I find it?
*t


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Re: is dhelp completely broken

[Stefan Hornburg Racke]

Christian Marillat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>  "CW" == Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > On Sun, Sep 23, 2001 at 05:58:39PM +0200, Christian Marillat wrote:
> >>  "JV" == Jochen Voss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >> > for me the dhelp package does not work at all, because of the problem
> >> > described in bug reports 109207, 109849, 110411, 110433, 110538,
> >> > 111044, 112614, and 112659.  My question is, does the package work for
> >> > anybody at all?  Is there any easy way to make it work again?
> >> 
> >> Recompiling dhelp against libdb3 solve the problem.
> 
> > If you know how to do it, could you NMU? The package is orphaned.
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]  is already working on dhelp.

I'm still considering what is the best way to deal with dhelp in the future.
A Perl re-implementation comes into my mind. I have to think about
this a little while.

Christian, please make the NMU. It would be nice if the package is
working now. 

If you are _really_ kind, put 
Stefan Hornburg (Racke) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
as maintainer in changelog/control, send the packages to me, and
I'm upload them ASAP.

Ciao
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Questions regarding the Security Secretary Position

[Martin Schulze]

I'm awfully sorry for the delay, but I wasn't able to work on this
earlier again.

Here's a list of questions and answers that came up with the posting I
made last week.

Q: Is a requirement being a Debian developer?

   No.  It is my understanding that it would be good to have "fresh
   blood" in the team.  Working on security can cost a lot of time,
   thus it could even be helpful not being a Debian developer since
   that implies active package maintenance as well.  However, similar
   knowledge is very helpful, and may be required when working on
   issues.

Q: How much time is required to fill the position?

   That's something I don't know.  When I started with Debian
   Security, it was easy to do, there were two architectures, about
   1000 packages and not too many security incidents reported.

   This has changed.  We're at some 5000 packages, often there are
   more than two security incidents reported per week which we'll have
   to investigate, and there are six released architectures, probably
   12 for the next release.

   I can imagine that this job requires about 10-20 hours per week.
   However, it's possible that there are a couple of weeks where no
   work is to be done.  One has to expect that this position requires
   a lot of time.

Q: Are you open to finding a small (2-3 person) team to fill this role?

   Yes, I am open to this idea.  This would be based on my practise of
   forming a team in order to make it less dependant of one person
   (see listmaster, debian-admin, security etc.).

   However, the more people are involved, the more coordination has to
   be done.  On the other side, security is crucial and we should do
   anything that can improve the situation.

Q: How will the person/team come up to speed?

   I can't parse the question.

   In my announcement I wrote several tasks that this person/team
   would have to work on.  I forgot documentation thouth.  Please see
   

Q: What are the personal requirements?

   At least one of the secretary team needs to be able to code in C
   and understand Debian packaging as well as security incidents.  It
   would be useless if the person won't understand how an exploit
   works.

   If more than one person is going to fill this position than a
   second person could specialize on tracking problems and
   documentation while the first person works on details, programming
   and fixing.

   A lot of spare time is required as well.

Q: What is the method you will choose this person?

   The current Debian Security Team will discuss volunteers and
   appoint 1-3 persons.

Regards,

Joey

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Re: how to get full package url from apt-cache?

[Steve Kowalik]

On Sun, Sep 23, 2001 at 11:09:54PM +0200, Massimo Dal Zotto uttered:
> Hi,
> 
> is it possible to get the full URL of a package (the one which is passed
> by apt-get to dpkg for package installation) from apt-cache or some other
> standard tool? What I would lite to do is something like this:
> 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo apt-get --print-uris install xserver-svga
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
The following extra packages will be installed:
  xserver-common-v3 
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  xserver-common-v3 xserver-svga 
0 packages upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1  not upgraded.
Need to get 1771kB of archives. After unpacking 4002kB will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n]  
'http://people.debian.org/~branden/woody/i386/xserver-common-v3_3.3.6-38pre39v2_i386.deb'
 xserver-common-v3_3.3.6-38pre39v2_i386.deb 419296 
e1e994635fda022d7ed5aef05433d679
'http://people.debian.org/~branden/woody/i386/xserver-svga_3.3.6-38pre39v2_i386.deb'
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Please move autoconf and autoconf2.13 into testing

[Simon Richter]

Hi,

it seems those two packages are depending on each other and are thus
stuck. php4-dev depends on autoconf2.13 and is also stuck therefore. Could
you move these two packages into testing manually?

Thanks,
   Simon

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Re: iso 8859-6 fonts

[David Starner]

On Mon, Sep 24, 2001 at 05:05:10AM +0200, Shaul Karl wrote:
> There has to be a standard way to at least have basic unix utils like grep, 
> ed, diff and friends to work on files with multi lingual contents and still 
> have a reasonable user interface and means to display their output.

diff and grep work on UTF-8 files just fine. If you need to
display a result that can't be displayed in a console or xterm, you
use a GUI program to display the text. Just like if you were working
on PNM files with the NetPNM tools.

Look, the current terminal emulator standards just can't handle
sufficently complex scripts. It's a system designed for charcell
fonts with a one to one character to glyph correspondence. There's
only so much that can be hacked onto it, and scripts that require
shaping are generally considered outside that. 

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Re: Chroots (was: bind9-chroot)

[Junichi Uekawa]

Itai Zukerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> immo vero scripsit

> I'd like to do the following:
> 
> $ chroot-get install --root=/var/root/mail exim cyrus-imapd
> 

I don't know what you are trying to do, but 

export EXTRAPACKAGES="cyrus-imapd exim"
pbuilder create --basetgz ~/cyrus-chroot.tar.gz


Is one suggestion ?
(although pbuilder wasn't really thought for doing this, people 
are using it as a quick way to set up chroots, it seems)

regards,
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Re: is dhelp completely broken

[Christian Marillat]

 "CW" == Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Sun, Sep 23, 2001 at 05:58:39PM +0200, Christian Marillat wrote:
>>  "JV" == Jochen Voss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> > for me the dhelp package does not work at all, because of the problem
>> > described in bug reports 109207, 109849, 110411, 110433, 110538,
>> > 111044, 112614, and 112659.  My question is, does the package work for
>> > anybody at all?  Is there any easy way to make it work again?
>> 
>> Recompiling dhelp against libdb3 solve the problem.

> If you know how to do it, could you NMU? The package is orphaned.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]  is already working on dhelp.

Christian