Re: Command history

[Vangelis Katsikaros]

On 04/28/2011 02:25 AM, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote:

shawn wilson wrote:


Is there a way to have a command that does not show up in history? Or a
way to pipe a string where the string doesn't show up in history?

Ie, I set some passwords with:
echo "some string and stuff" ¦ sha512sum
(Probably with cut and awk and other such things)

And I'd like a way for my system to not store my password scheme. I'd
prefer something better than editing my history file.


In bash, If I prepend the command with a space character, it does not show
up in the ~/.bash_history file.



This happens if in .bashrc you set the shell variable HISTCONTROL to 
include the value "ignorespace". See man bash


example:
HISTCONTROL=ignoredups:ignorespace

Vangelis


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Re: xmodmap settings are forgotten/lost during session

[Wolfgang Karall]

Hello,

On 04/28/2011 02:06 AM, Steve Kleene wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 21:20:46 +0200, Wolfgang Karall wrote:
> 
>> after upgrading ... I lost my F19/F20 mapping done via xmodmap
> 
> About a week ago my ~/.Xmodmap, which turns off Caps Lock, started being
> ignored.  It is not even accessed (as judged by ls -lu) when I start X.

The problem is not so much that ~/.Xmodmap is not read when X starts (I
could work around that I guess), but that the mappings I have set up
with xmodmap are vanishing while I'm using my notebook.

So something resets my mappings on a more or less regular basis (I'll
probably set up a cronjob with xmodmap -pke to find out some timing
here) without me ever telling my system to do so.

Cheers
Wolfgang


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Re: Why doesn't debian remove the proprietary software from it's servers?

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 09:53:07AM -0400, Mike Viau wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 09:50:07 -0400  wrote:
> >
> > I ran this command on my laptop, and the returned list includes:
> >
> > gdb-doc - The GNU Debugger Documentation
> >
> > ?Why the hell is gdb-doc not free?
> 
> 
> I was wondering the same thing about the gcc-doc package.
> 
> 
> >
> > >On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 06:36, Andrei Popescu  wrote:
> > > On Mi, 27 apr 11, 12:09:56, Klistvud wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Seems a quite reasonable policy to me. Of course, we all wish we
> > >> could run free software ponly on our machines, but the time doesn't
> > >> seem ripe for that.
> > >
> > > But we are getting closer every year:
> > >
> > > $ aptitude search '~s"non-free|contrib"~i!~M'
> > > i   firmware-iwlwifi- Binary firmware for Intel Wireless 
> > > 3945, 4
> > > i   flashplugin-nonfree - Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin
> > > i   nvidia-glx  - NVIDIA binary Xorg driver
> > > i   nvidia-settings - Tool for configuring the NVIDIA 
> > > graphics d
> > > i   opera   - A fast and secure web browser and 
> > > Internet
> > > i   skype   - Skype
> > > i   sun-java6-plugin- The Java(TM) Plug-in, Java SE 6
> > > i   unrar   - Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free 
> > > versio
> > >
> > > of these I could get rid of Opera anytime (I don't actually use it, but
> > > I test it from time to time) and probably the Java plugin (I don't even
> > > recall why it's installed).
> > >
> > > There is work in progress for replacements for the nvidia driver and the
> > > flash plugin (but still not entirely there).
> > >
> > > firmware-iwlwifi will be tough, because Intel claims it has to do with
> > > (FCC?) compliance and unrar because it's still quite widespread (but
> > > actually useless for compressed movies and mp3s, so it's more of a user
> > > education thing).
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Andrei
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> > > http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic
> > >
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GFDL and non-invariant sections, perhaps?

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Re: locate something not exist

[Liam O'Toole]

On 2011-04-28, teddi...@tmo.blackberry.net  wrote:
>
> I believe you need to run
>
> #updatedb
>
> If I am not mistaken (updatedb may work for different search command if 
> memory is faulty) 
>
> But if I'm not mistaken, updatedb will refresh the database locate uses to 
> find results...
>

If you are unable to run updatedb, use 'locate -e' when searching. Then
only the names of files which still exist will be printed.


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Re: locate something not exist

[teddieeb]

Your welcome, glad I was actually able to help somebody ;P

TeddyB


-Original Message-
From: lina 
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:09:32 
To: 
Cc: Debian Lists
Subject: Re: locate something not exist

Thanks,

it works,


On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 1:06 PM,   wrote:
>
> I believe you need to run
>
> #updatedb
>
> If I am not mistaken (updatedb may work for different search command if 
> memory is faulty)
>
> But if I'm not mistaken, updatedb will refresh the database locate uses to 
> find results...
>
> TeddyB
>
> -Original Message-
> From: lina 
> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 12:55:38
> To: 
> Subject: locate something not exist
>
> Hi,
>
> when I located fglrx
>
> which has been purged,
>
> but it still showed me lots
> such as
>
> /var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-glx.preinst
> /var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-modules-dkms.list
> /var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-modules-dkms.md5sums
> /var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-modules-dkms.postinst
> /var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-modules-dkms.prerm
> /var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-source.list
> /var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-source.md5sums
> /var/lib/update-rc.d/fglrx-atieventsd
>
> when I checked further, found
>
> # more /var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-source.md5sums
> /var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-source.md5sums: No such file or directory
> # more /var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-driver.preinst
> /var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-driver.preinst: No such file or directory
> # more /etc/modprobe.d/fglrx-driver.conf
> /etc/modprobe.d/fglrx-driver.conf: No such file or director
>
> so the "locate" has some problems?
>
>
> --
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>
> lina
>
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Re: locate something not exist

[lina]

Thanks,

it works,


On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 1:06 PM,   wrote:
>
> I believe you need to run
>
> #updatedb
>
> If I am not mistaken (updatedb may work for different search command if 
> memory is faulty)
>
> But if I'm not mistaken, updatedb will refresh the database locate uses to 
> find results...
>
> TeddyB
>
> -Original Message-
> From: lina 
> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 12:55:38
> To: 
> Subject: locate something not exist
>
> Hi,
>
> when I located fglrx
>
> which has been purged,
>
> but it still showed me lots
> such as
>
> /var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-glx.preinst
> /var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-modules-dkms.list
> /var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-modules-dkms.md5sums
> /var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-modules-dkms.postinst
> /var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-modules-dkms.prerm
> /var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-source.list
> /var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-source.md5sums
> /var/lib/update-rc.d/fglrx-atieventsd
>
> when I checked further, found
>
> # more /var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-source.md5sums
> /var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-source.md5sums: No such file or directory
> # more /var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-driver.preinst
> /var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-driver.preinst: No such file or directory
> # more /etc/modprobe.d/fglrx-driver.conf
> /etc/modprobe.d/fglrx-driver.conf: No such file or director
>
> so the "locate" has some problems?
>
>
> --
> Thanks and best regards,
>
> lina
>
>
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Re: locate something not exist

[teddieeb]

I believe you need to run

#updatedb

If I am not mistaken (updatedb may work for different search command if memory 
is faulty) 

But if I'm not mistaken, updatedb will refresh the database locate uses to find 
results...

TeddyB

-Original Message-
From: lina 
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 12:55:38 
To: 
Subject: locate something not exist

Hi,

when I located fglrx

which has been purged,

but it still showed me lots
such as

/var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-glx.preinst
/var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-modules-dkms.list
/var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-modules-dkms.md5sums
/var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-modules-dkms.postinst
/var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-modules-dkms.prerm
/var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-source.list
/var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-source.md5sums
/var/lib/update-rc.d/fglrx-atieventsd

when I checked further, found

# more /var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-source.md5sums
/var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-source.md5sums: No such file or directory
# more /var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-driver.preinst
/var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-driver.preinst: No such file or directory
# more /etc/modprobe.d/fglrx-driver.conf
/etc/modprobe.d/fglrx-driver.conf: No such file or director

so the "locate" has some problems?


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locate something not exist

[lina]

Hi,

when I located fglrx

which has been purged,

but it still showed me lots
such as

/var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-glx.preinst
/var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-modules-dkms.list
/var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-modules-dkms.md5sums
/var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-modules-dkms.postinst
/var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-modules-dkms.prerm
/var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-source.list
/var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-source.md5sums
/var/lib/update-rc.d/fglrx-atieventsd

when I checked further, found

# more /var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-source.md5sums
/var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-source.md5sums: No such file or directory
# more /var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-driver.preinst
/var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-driver.preinst: No such file or directory
# more /etc/modprobe.d/fglrx-driver.conf
/etc/modprobe.d/fglrx-driver.conf: No such file or director

so the "locate" has some problems?


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Could not initiate GoogleTalkPlugin connection

[Kamaraju S Kusumanchi]

In order to get the video chat facility in gmail chat, I downloaded the 
plugin from http://www.google.com/chat/video?hl=en . The file name is 
google-talkplugin_current_i386.deb .

$dpkg -l google\* | grep ^ii
ii  google-talkplugin2.0.6.0-1Google Talk 
Plugin

However, when I start gmail in iceweasel (3.5.16-6), the console screen is 
full of the following errors


028:683] Warning(clientchannel.cc:553): Unreadable or no port file.  Could 
not initiate GoogleTalkPlugin connection
[028:684] Warning(clientchannel.cc:396): Could not initiate GoogleTalkPlugin 
connection
[028:684] Waiting for GoogleTalkPlugin to start...

Has anyone got the google talk  plugin working in Debian? Any 
ideas/suggestion/comments are most welcome.

thanks
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Re: Patching problem, Obmenu

[Debiantr.WP]

Thanks a lot. It really helped me. But, probably next time I would
prefer to use obmenu with "python2.x /usr/bin/obmenu" command, until
everything sorts itself out :)) On the other hand, learning new things
is allways good :)

On Wed, 2011-04-27 at 21:02 -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: 

> In <1303942683.14504.21.camel@eren-deb64>, Debiantr.WP wrote:
> >Can someone help me with patching the file given on Debian's bug site:
> >
> >http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=623012
> >
> >I don't know what to do. Checked how to patch it on the internet, but I
> >think I am doing smt wrong.
> 
> cd ~ &&
> mkdir -p build &&
> cd build &&
> apt-get source obmenu &&
> cd obmenu-1.0 &&
> wget 
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?msg=22;filename=623012.diff;att=1;bug=623012
>  \
>   -O - | patch -p1 &&
> dch -v 1.0-1+b1+patch-623012.22 \
>   'Applied python2.5-removal patch from bug 623012 message 22.' &&
> dpkg-buildpackage -tc -uc -us
> 
> You should have a shiny new, properly versioned .deb that you can install 
> using dpkg.  (It is probably in the parent directory.)
> 
> [The "wget ... | patch ..." line applies the patch.]
> 
> If that works, you could even prepare an NMU fairly simply, by using (dch -e)
> to add the "Closes: 623012" and change the version to 1.0-1.1, then using 
> (dch -r -D unstable) to "finalize" the changelog and (dpkg-buildpackage -tc) 
> to build the files to be uploaded -- a signed changes file, source package, 
> and binary package.
> 
> ["dch" is in the devscripts package; "dpkg-buildpackage" is in the dpkg-dev 
> package.]
> 
> Even if you didn't want to do an NMU (or shouldn't because of policy), those 
> files could be attached to the bug report for use by the maintainer and/or 
> other users with the same problem.

Re: Patching problem, Obmenu

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In <1303942683.14504.21.camel@eren-deb64>, Debiantr.WP wrote:
>Can someone help me with patching the file given on Debian's bug site:
>
>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=623012
>
>I don't know what to do. Checked how to patch it on the internet, but I
>think I am doing smt wrong.

cd ~ &&
mkdir -p build &&
cd build &&
apt-get source obmenu &&
cd obmenu-1.0 &&
wget 
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?msg=22;filename=623012.diff;att=1;bug=623012
 \
-O - | patch -p1 &&
dch -v 1.0-1+b1+patch-623012.22 \
'Applied python2.5-removal patch from bug 623012 message 22.' &&
dpkg-buildpackage -tc -uc -us

You should have a shiny new, properly versioned .deb that you can install 
using dpkg.  (It is probably in the parent directory.)

[The "wget ... | patch ..." line applies the patch.]

If that works, you could even prepare an NMU fairly simply, by using (dch -e)
to add the "Closes: 623012" and change the version to 1.0-1.1, then using 
(dch -r -D unstable) to "finalize" the changelog and (dpkg-buildpackage -tc) 
to build the files to be uploaded -- a signed changes file, source package, 
and binary package.

["dch" is in the devscripts package; "dpkg-buildpackage" is in the dpkg-dev 
package.]

Even if you didn't want to do an NMU (or shouldn't because of policy), those 
files could be attached to the bug report for use by the maintainer and/or 
other users with the same problem.
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Re: ttf-liberation over ttf-mscorefonts; was Re: Why doesn't debian remove the proprietary software from it's servers?

[Eike Lantzsch]

On Wednesday 27 April 2011 15:50:17 Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011, Eike Lantzsch wrote:
> > > > Non ASCII fonts with diacritical signs do not render correctly on-
> > > > screen.
> > > 
> > > Do you mean characters? I'm guessing a bug report would be appreciated
> > > if you can reproduce the issue.
> > 
> > Yes, non ASCII characters - sorry.
> 
> ...
> 
> > I'll file a bug report as soon as I can dig deeper into this minor issue.
> > ("can" means making time for it, testing printing as well and familiarize
> > myself with the bug-reporting process.)
> 
> Please check if it is not hinting-related.  If it works well at a large
> font size (or large DPI), chances are bad hinting (or bugs in the
> hinting interpretor -- i.e. not a bug in the font itself) is to blame.
OK, hint taken (pun intended)
As far as I can say up to now, the characters show up nicely in Libreoffice 
with 10 and 12 point size.
Testing with wine will take more time - not this week at least . Please be 
patient.

Tnx a lot
Eike

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Saliec rokas ap gurniem puspilkai dejotājai

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Jauns un pikants klubs gaida tevi - mēs nešķirojam viesus, mums katrs ir īpašs: 
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Re: xmodmap settings are forgotten/lost during session

[Steve Kleene]

On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 21:20:46 +0200, Wolfgang Karall wrote:

> after upgrading ... I lost my F19/F20 mapping done via xmodmap

About a week ago my ~/.Xmodmap, which turns off Caps Lock, started being
ignored.  It is not even accessed (as judged by ls -lu) when I start X.

According to the report for bug 622185, this happened when xkb-data was
upgraded from 1.8-2 to 2.1-2.  Since you don't list xkb-data among your
upgraded packages, maybe this is irrelevant to your problem.

For my problem, the workaround was to add this to ~/.xinitrc:

  setxkbmap -option ctrl:nocaps

There may be a similar workaround for your situation.


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Re: Can't mount ntfs, says: unknown filesystem type 'LVM2_member'

[Chris Brennan]

Reposting to the list, OP, obey REPLY-TO headers or use 'Reply All'.

On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Jose Legido  wrote:

On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Chris Brennan  wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Jose Legido  wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello
> >> I had windows with ntfs
> >> I installed ubuntu. All ok. Gurb with 2 os, can ran windows and uvuntu
> and
> >> can mount windows partition in ubuntu
> >> I installed debian with lvm over ubuntu partition.
> >> I can't mount windows partition now, and windows doesn't appears in gurb
> >>
> >> # mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows/
> >> mount: unknown filesystem type 'LVM2_member'
> >>
> >> # pvs --all
> >>  PV VGFmt  Attr PSize   PFree
> >>  /dev/dm-1 --0   0
> >>  /dev/dm-2 --0   0
> >>  /dev/root --0   0
> >>  /dev/sda1lvm2 a-   113,25g 113,25g
> >>  /dev/sda2 --0   0
> >>  /dev/sda5  vol64 lvm2 a-   113,25g  0
> >>
> >> I can't active vg because haven't name, but is not lvm, is only ntfs
> >> partition
> >> Maybe ubuntu puts in lvm and grub? Any idea? I have a lot of usefull
> >> information in
> >> Thanks!
> >
> > What does 'vgscan' produce?
> only shows the debian LVM
> # vgscan
>  Reading all physical volumes.  This may take a while...
>  Found volume group "vol64" using metadata type lvm2
>
>
> > Was windows installed on it's own LVM?
>
> No. I don't know who created this LVM!
>
> > did you load the ntfs module (from the kernel) or did you try to use
> ntfs3g? 'Ware
> > the user though, NTFS write support with either module is flaky at best,
> > some have reported success, some have not, YMMV.
> >
>
> I use ntfs3g:
> # mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows/
> NTFS signature is missing.
> Failed to mount '/dev/sda1': invalid argument
> The device '/dev/sda1' doesn't seem to have a valid NTFS.
> Maybe the wrong device is used? Or the whole disk instead of a
> partition (e.g. /dev/sda, not /dev/sda1)? Or the other way around?
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 6:45 PM, shawn wilson  wrote:
> > do an 'fdisk -l /dev/sda' and confirm everything,
>
> # fdisk -l /dev/sda
>
> Disk /dev/sda: 250.1 GB, 250059350016 bytes
> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 30401 cylinders
> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
> Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
> I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
> Disk identifier: 0xfce09344
>
>   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
> /dev/sda1   *   1   14784   118752448+  8e  Linux LVM
> /dev/sda2   29570   30401 6683040   12  Compaq diagnostics
> /dev/sda3   14785   29569   1187594255  Extended
> /dev/sda5   14785   29569   118759424   8e  Linux LVM
>
> Partition table entries are not in disk order
>
>
> > but, 'mount -t ntfs
> >  ' should work for you. it is possible that sda on ubuntu is
> > showing up as sdb in debian - why you should use labels if you don't.
> >
>
> The same problem:
>
> # mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows/
> NTFS signature is missing.
> Failed to mount '/dev/sda1': Argumento inválido
> The device '/dev/sda1' doesn't seem to have a valid NTFS.
> Maybe the wrong device is used? Or the whole disk instead of a
> partition (e.g. /dev/sda, not /dev/sda1)? Or the other way around?
>
>
> A lot of thanks!
>


post the output of the following commands

mount
df -h
cat /proc/partitions
lsmod | grep ntfs
uname -a

file /dev/sdxX (where 'x' is sda and sdb and 'X' is for each partition.


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Re: Command history

[Kamaraju S Kusumanchi]

shawn wilson wrote:

> Is there a way to have a command that does not show up in history? Or a
> way to pipe a string where the string doesn't show up in history?
> 
> Ie, I set some passwords with:
> echo "some string and stuff" ¦ sha512sum
> (Probably with cut and awk and other such things)
> 
> And I'd like a way for my system to not store my password scheme. I'd
> prefer something better than editing my history file.

In bash, If I prepend the command with a space character, it does not show 
up in the ~/.bash_history file.

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Re: Monitors requiring interlaced video modes with older Nvidia video cards are out of options in wheezy

[Stephen Powell]

On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 22:39:16 -0400 (EDT), Stephen Powell wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 14:32:43 -0400 (EDT), Sven Joachim wrote:
>> On 2011-04-24 22:19 +0200, Stephen Powell wrote:
>>> ...
>>> The same bug can be reproduced by using the following kernel boot parameter:
>>>
>>>video=VGA-1:1024x768@87i
>>> 
>>> ...
>> 
>> Please add these findings to the bug report.
> 
> I will.  But I want to do some more experimenting first.
> I rolled up my sleeves and dug in to the kernel source code today.
> One thing I discovered is that the vertical refresh rate for an interlaced
> mode needs to be specified as the full-frame rate, not the half-frame rate.
> Therefore, the corrected version of the above video boot parameter is
> 
>video=VGA-1:1024x768@43i
> 
> I tried that and got output for the first time.  But it was strange-looking
> output.  Instead of the expected 128-column by 48-row frame buffer console
> I got a 128-column by 24-row console, occupying the lower half of the screen
> only.  Weird.  But at least I got output.  I'm digging deeper and deeper into
> the source code.  Maybe I'll find something.

I found the bug!  I'm working on a patch.

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Command history

[shawn wilson]

Is there a way to have a command that does not show up in history? Or a way
to pipe a string where the string doesn't show up in history?

Ie, I set some passwords with:
echo "some string and stuff" ¦ sha512sum
(Probably with cut and awk and other such things)

And I'd like a way for my system to not store my password scheme. I'd prefer
something better than editing my history file.

Re: installer, software raid and grub

[Tom H]

On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Milos Negovanovic
 wrote:
>
> Ive just performed squeeze install on a server with 2 drives
> configured in RAID1. I followed closely installer messages and I don't
> remember seeing GRUB being installed on /dev/sdb. For a split second
> there was a message saying something about GRUB being installed on
> /dev/sda ... and thats it. Basically if / is on software raid (linux md
> raid) does installer install GRUB on all available hard drives? Do I
> need to install GRUB manually on /dev/sdb? Idea is that if one of the
> drives fail I can still use this system, which includes being able to
> boot from either of the drives.

In my experience, it isn't installed on both by default (although I'm
sure that someone'll tell us both that you have that option with an
expert install) and you have to install it manually on sdb.


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Patching problem, Obmenu

[Debiantr.WP]

  Hi,

Can someone help me with patching the file given on Debian's bug site:

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=623012

I don't know what to do. Checked how to patch it on the internet, but I
think I am doing smt wrong.

Thanks

Re^2: Wireless via dhcp needs repeated ifdown/ifup

[peasthope]

*   From: Anthony Campbell 
*   Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 15:36:42 +0100
> Nothing in the logs apart from an entry saying the router doesn't do
> IPV6. ...
> in summary, there doesn't seem to be any obvious solution to this
> puzzle, ...

Can anyone explain what arrangement there is to ensure that 
udev is finished surveying the device and setting the alias  
before ifconfig, wicd or similar software attempts to configure 
it and make it work?

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Re: Broken insserv?

[Sven Joachim]

On 2011-04-27 23:09 +0200, Brad Alexander wrote:

> Excellent. Thanks Sven. Should I then install insserv by hand before doing
> the dist-upgrade then?

No, this is not necessary.

Sven


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Re: Broken insserv?

[Brad Alexander]

Excellent. Thanks Sven. Should I then install insserv by hand before doing
the dist-upgrade then?

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On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Sven Joachim  wrote:

> On 2011-04-27 22:47 +0200, Brad Alexander wrote:
>
> > I just want to make sure this isn't a show stopper before I pull the
> > trigger. I have mostly upgraded my daughter's netbook from lenny to
> squeeze.
> > I took the conservative route, cleaning up packages, changing
> sources.list,
> > doing an update and upgrade, upgrading the kernel and udev and rebooting.
> > All I have left is the dist-upgrade...
> >
> > However, an apt-get -s dist-upgrade showed me repeated
> >
> > E: Conf Broken insserv
> >
> > messages. Is this a show-stopper or just a nuisance error message?
>
> The latter.  When you actually do the dist-upgrade, it will work (or at
> least not hit this particular problem).  The insserv package in squeeze
> breaks the lenny sysv-rc package, while the squeeze sysv-rc package
> depends on the new insserv -- a kind of dependency loop that requires
> temporarily auto-deconfiguring sysv-rc.
>
> Sven
>
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Re: Broken insserv?

[Sven Joachim]

On 2011-04-27 22:47 +0200, Brad Alexander wrote:

> I just want to make sure this isn't a show stopper before I pull the
> trigger. I have mostly upgraded my daughter's netbook from lenny to squeeze.
> I took the conservative route, cleaning up packages, changing sources.list,
> doing an update and upgrade, upgrading the kernel and udev and rebooting.
> All I have left is the dist-upgrade...
>
> However, an apt-get -s dist-upgrade showed me repeated
>
> E: Conf Broken insserv
>
> messages. Is this a show-stopper or just a nuisance error message?

The latter.  When you actually do the dist-upgrade, it will work (or at
least not hit this particular problem).  The insserv package in squeeze
breaks the lenny sysv-rc package, while the squeeze sysv-rc package
depends on the new insserv -- a kind of dependency loop that requires
temporarily auto-deconfiguring sysv-rc.

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Re: Squeeze and NIC bonding

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On 27/04/11 21:18, Paul Stewart wrote:
> Hi there.

Hi Paul

> Only finding a limited number of posts on this topic - hopefully I didn't
> miss it when Googling around .;)
> 
> Running Debian Squeeze 6.0.1 and need to bond some NIC cards.
> 
> Found a posting at http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2010/05/msg00829.html
> but no answers.  The instructions that I've dug up state that you should
> install ifenslave (done) and then:
> 
> edit /etc/network/interfaces to look like this:
> iface bond0 inet static
> address 10.31.1.5
> netmask 255.255.255.0
> network 10.31.1.0
> gateway 10.31.1.254
> up /sbin/ifenslave bond0 eth0
> up /sbin/ifenslave bond0 eth1
> 
> add the following lines to your /etc/modprobe.d/arch/i386:
> 
> alias bond0 bonding
> options bonding mode=1 miimon=100 downdelay=200 updelay=200
> 
> Obviously just an example - but I don't have a /etc/modprobe.d/arch
> directory at all?  
> Is the bug that has been referenced a few times been fixed?
> Any issues with IPv4/IPv6 dual stack?

Isn't it a Lenny setup by an accident?
It should working on Lenny but not on Squeeze try this one:
http://wiki.debian.org/Bonding


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Broken insserv?

[Brad Alexander]

I just want to make sure this isn't a show stopper before I pull the
trigger. I have mostly upgraded my daughter's netbook from lenny to squeeze.
I took the conservative route, cleaning up packages, changing sources.list,
doing an update and upgrade, upgrading the kernel and udev and rebooting.
All I have left is the dist-upgrade...

However, an apt-get -s dist-upgrade showed me repeated

E: Conf Broken insserv

messages. Is this a show-stopper or just a nuisance error message? I need
her netbook to be bootable when the smoke clears. I think it is just a
nuisance, but I wanted to verify here. I checked online, and it seems to be
okay, but since I am 2100 miles from said netbook, I really can't have it
non-bootable.

Thanks
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Re: Squeeze and NIC bonding

[Paul Stewart]

Hi there.

Only finding a limited number of posts on this topic - hopefully I didn't
miss it when Googling around .;)

Running Debian Squeeze 6.0.1 and need to bond some NIC cards.

Found a posting at http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2010/05/msg00829.html
but no answers.  The instructions that I've dug up state that you should
install ifenslave (done) and then:

edit /etc/network/interfaces to look like this:
iface bond0 inet static
address 10.31.1.5
netmask 255.255.255.0
network 10.31.1.0
gateway 10.31.1.254
up /sbin/ifenslave bond0 eth0
up /sbin/ifenslave bond0 eth1

add the following lines to your /etc/modprobe.d/arch/i386:

alias bond0 bonding
options bonding mode=1 miimon=100 downdelay=200 updelay=200

Obviously just an example - but I don't have a /etc/modprobe.d/arch
directory at all?  
Is the bug that has been referenced a few times been fixed?
Any issues with IPv4/IPv6 dual stack?

Thanks for your time,

Paul





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Re: Debian 6: openvpn tun0 device not created

[Chris]

Chris wrote:

> In the openvpn.log on the server I found:
> 
> Tue Apr 26 12:35:16 2011 us=469148 92.206.139.37:44005 VERIFY ERROR:
> depth=0, error=unable to get local issuer certificate:
> /C=DE/ST=DE/L=Berlin/O=.de/CN=/emailAddress=.yy...@.de
> Tue Apr 26 12:35:16 2011 us=469322 92.206.139.37:44005 TLS_ERROR: BIO read
> tls_read_plaintext error: error:140890B2:SSL
> routines:SSL3_GET_CLIENT_CERTIFICATE:no certificate returned
> 
> But the keys should be alright? I will reinstall them

Recreation and installation of the key + crt did indeed help. No idea why 
the old key was bad. Now it works as expected.



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Re: ttf-liberation over ttf-mscorefonts; was Re: Why doesn't debian remove the proprietary software from it's servers?

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Wed, 27 Apr 2011, Eike Lantzsch wrote:
> > > Non ASCII fonts with diacritical signs do not render correctly on-
> > > screen.
> > 
> > Do you mean characters? I'm guessing a bug report would be appreciated
> > if you can reproduce the issue.
> 
> Yes, non ASCII characters - sorry.

...

> I'll file a bug report as soon as I can dig deeper into this minor issue. 
> ("can" means making time for it, testing printing as well and familiarize 
> myself with the bug-reporting process.)

Please check if it is not hinting-related.  If it works well at a large
font size (or large DPI), chances are bad hinting (or bugs in the
hinting interpretor -- i.e. not a bug in the font itself) is to blame.

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Re: installer, software raid and grub

[Roger Leigh]

On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 08:33:29PM +0100, Milos Negovanovic wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Ive just performed squeeze install on a server with 2 drives
> configured in RAID1. I followed closely installer messages and I don't
> remember seeing GRUB being installed on /dev/sdb. For a split second
> there was a message saying something about GRUB being installed on
> /dev/sda ... and thats it. Basically if / is on software raid (linux md
> raid) does installer install GRUB on all available hard drives? Do I
> need to install GRUB manually on /dev/sdb? Idea is that if one of the
> drives fail I can still use this system, which includes being able to
> boot from either of the drives.

Just dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc and select all the drives to boot from.

Note if you used gpt partition tables, grub will need a tiny boot
partition to install itself on (bios_grub).  Example from parted:

Number  Start  End Size   File system  Name   Flags
 1  1.00MiB5.00MiB 4.00MiB grub   bios_grub
 2  5.00MiB953867MiB   953862MiB  btrfsbtrfsraid
 3  953867MiB  1907728MiB  953861MiB   mdraid raid

All the main Linux partitions are then on LVM on the mdraid RAID1
device.  The other disc is partitioned identically.

Annoyingly, the installer partitioner is not currently intelligent
enough to set up the bios_grub partition by default, so you have to do
it my hand in parted.


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Re: Why doesn't debian remove the proprietary software from it's servers?

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Wed, 27 Apr 2011, sdc wrote:
> Greetings, I was reading FSF distro review and I was shocked to see that
> Debian isn't actually free software. FSF said that they are making a big

Don't be.  We don't think FSF always provides free software either: we
consider documentation as part of the software it is distributed with, and
we do not consider documentation with GFDL invariant sections to be free
enough to meet our freeness requirements for software.  Unfortunately almost
all GNU documentation has such GFDL invariant sections.

That documentation ends up in the non-free archive the FSF objects to, BTW.

> My beginner question is, why doesn't Debian remove the proprietary software
> hosted on it's servers? Don't they want to follow the FSF word?

No, we don't want to follow the FSF word.  Debian has a good relationship
with the FSF, but we don't agree on everything.  We are not followers, and
neither is the FSF.  The path we both walk is not too far apart, but it is
not the same.

Debian is about this:
http://www.debian.org/social_contract

We do ask first if the user wants to use non-free software or not.  We do
not call that non-free software part of the Debian system, either.

You will not install non-free software in your Debian system unless you
explicitly tell the installer that you want to, or take action yourself to
configure the system to fetch that non-free software later.

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Re: Why doesn't debian remove the proprietary software from it's servers?

[Roger Leigh]

On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 11:47:43AM +0300, sdc wrote:
> Greetings, I was reading FSF distro review and I was shocked to see that
> Debian isn't actually free software. FSF said that they are making a big
> progress(this happened when they removed the blobs from the kernel) but
> still isn't free software because users have the option to install
> proprietary software from debian's server and this is a bit confusing for
> beginners in this free software world.
> My beginner question is, why doesn't Debian remove the proprietary software
> hosted on it's servers? Don't they want to follow the FSF word?

There are different opinions on what "free software" is, and Debian (DFSG
and Social Contract) and the FSF do differ here.  The FSF in general has a
somewhat more black-and-white view of what is free and what is not, while
Debian does tend to a somewhat more pragmatic view.  Conversely, Debian
considers some things to be unacceptable for free software which the FSF
does not.  The difference in attitude might also be the consequence of the
FSF view esentially being imposed by a single individual (RMS) while what
Debian does is ultimately the will of many people, with somewhat differing
viewpoints on this (and all) matters, ranging from being completely anti
proprietary software, to indifference, and which is decided democratically
after open debate.

The non-free section of the archive is something which in general we
would, on the whole, prefer to do away with.  And over time, this *is*
happening as free software replacements for existing proprietary
software arise.  On the other hand, we do still have a need for some
non-free bits.  My system would be largely unusable without proprietary
firmware, and I also continue to need sun java (the free alternatives
are not yet a replacement for my needs).  And GNU manuals.  But the
free java implementations should be as good at some point, at which
point I'll switch.  So it will reduce in size over time.  But each user
has the *choice* of using it, or not.  We aren't forcing people to use
any proprietary code. But should it be needed, it's there as an option.

We did have a vote a few years back on whether to remove non-free or
not.  At the time, it was kind of likely that the result would be to
remove it, but the actual result was to keep it.  I was intending to
vote for removal myself, not being in favour of proprietary software,
but after weighing up the pros and cons, it made sense to keep it 
around.  Ultimately, Debian made a pragmatic choice which was to do
what benefited our users.  Ironically, the FSF itself is now a major
user of non-free given that we can't permit non-modifiable files (GFDL
invariant sections and front and back matter) given that this is in
direct conflict with the DSFG.

The FSF have a somewhat Orwellian attitude to proprietary software--
which involves not even acknowledging its existence.  While not liking
proprietary software is understandable from a philosophical point of
view, to completely ignore it is not particularly helpful to users, and
may even hinder migration to free software alternatives.  In this
respect, I feel Debian has made a reasonable choice: we don't promote
proprietary software, and we only use free software by default, but we
do understand that sometimes its use is necessary, even if we would (in
the medium to long term) like to see it go away.

Hopefully one day we will be able to remove non-free when it no longer
serves a useful purpose, and we no longer have any need for any
proprietary code on our systems.  But at the present time, there's
still some need for it.  Even if we wish that wasn't true.  Maybe one
day the FSF will also realise that documentation deserves the same four
freedoms as the software it accompanies as well.


Regards,
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installer, software raid and grub

[Milos Negovanovic]

Hi all,

Ive just performed squeeze install on a server with 2 drives
configured in RAID1. I followed closely installer messages and I don't
remember seeing GRUB being installed on /dev/sdb. For a split second
there was a message saying something about GRUB being installed on
/dev/sda ... and thats it. Basically if / is on software raid (linux md
raid) does installer install GRUB on all available hard drives? Do I
need to install GRUB manually on /dev/sdb? Idea is that if one of the
drives fail I can still use this system, which includes being able to
boot from either of the drives.

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xmodmap settings are forgotten/lost during session

[Wolfgang Karall]

Hello,

after upgrading my Debian sid machine to the latest packages (see list
below according to dpkg.log) I lost my F19/F20 mapping done via xmodmap
for the Forward/Back keys of my notebook.

After investigation the issue I ran

 xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap

on my settings manually and it worked, but after a while (since I don't
use those keys anywhere apart from the browser I don't quite tell how
much time passed) the keys stopped working again, also

 xmodmap -pke

didn't list the key mappings any longer. And this happens all the time,
I can set up the mappings, but after a while they're gone. Nothing
special seem to trigger this (not resuming from S3, for example), just
time passing long enough seems to make something on my system reset the
mappings.

I'm not sure what might be the culprit here, and I don't quite know how
to debug this (there's no way to listen to this kind of reconfiguration
event I guess?), does anybody here have an idea if the latest XFCE
updates might be the cause?

Cheers
Wolfgang

PS: the list of packages that got upgraded after which the problem
started showing up, most are probably completely unrelated:

audacity
audacity-data
binutils
bluez-hcidump
bzr
ca-certificates
concordance
cpp-4.5
cups-pdf
curl
dbus
dbus-x11
debhelper
desktop-file-utils
diffpdf
djvulibre-bin
exo-utils
ftp
fuse-utils
g++-4.5
gcc-4.5
gcc-4.5-base
gcc-4.6-base
ghostscript
ghostscript-cups
ghostscript-x
gnokii
gnokii-cli
gnokii-common
gnome-keyring
gnome-menus
gs-common
gs-gpl
gtk2-engines-xfce
hicolor-icon-theme
initramfs-tools
install-info
libboost-filesystem1.46.1
libboost-regex1.46.1
libboost-system1.46.1
libconcord2
libcurl3
libcurl3-gnutls
libdb4.6
libdb4.7
libdb4.8
libdb5.1
libdbus-1-3
libdjvulibre21
libdjvulibre-text
libexo-1-0
libexo-common
libextutils-depends-perl
libfuse2
libgarcon-1-0
libgarcon-common
libgcc1
libgck0
libgcr-3-0
libgfortran3
libglib2.0-0
libgnokii6
libgnome-keyring0
libgomp1
libgs9
libgs9-common
libgudev-1.0-0
libhtml-tree-perl
libkeybinder0
liblucene2-java
libmediainfo0
libnet-domain-tld-perl
libnet-http-perl
libpam-gnome-keyring
libperl5.10
libpolkit-agent-1-0
libpolkit-backend-1-0
libpolkit-gobject-1-0
libpq5
libpython2.6
libquadmath0
libquvi0
libreadline5
libreadline6
libsqlite3-0
libstdc++6
libstdc++6-4.5-dev
libtasn1-3
libthunar-vfs-1-2
libthunar-vfs-1-common
libthunarx-2-0
libudev0
libwireshark0
libwireshark-data
libwiretap0
libwsutil0
libxfce4ui-1-0
libxfce4util4
libxfce4util-common
libxfcegui4-4
libxfconf-0-2
lintian
linux-headers-2.6.38-2-686
linux-headers-2.6.38-2-common
linux-image-2.6.38-2-686
linux-libc-dev
man-db
mediainfo
menu
mkvtoolnix
mkvtoolnix-gui
orage
pcmciautils
perl
perl-base
perl-modules
perl-suid
policykit-1
python2.6
python2.6-minimal
python-argparse
python-bzrlib
python-cairo
python-central
python-gconf
python-glade2
python-gnome2
python-gtk2
python-pyorbit
python-support
rdesktop
readline-common
shared-mime-info
sqlite3
sshfp
stunnel4
sun-java6-bin
sun-java6-jre
sun-java6-plugin
thunar
thunar-data
thunar-volman
tnef
tzdata
tzdata-java
ucf
udev
virtualbox-4.0
wireshark
wireshark-common
xfce4
xfce4-appfinder
xfce4-artwork
xfce4-clipman
xfce4-clipman-plugin
xfce4-mixer
xfce4-panel
xfce4-session
xfce4-settings
xfce4-utils
xfce4-volumed
xfce4-xkb-plugin
xfce-keyboard-shortcuts
xfconf
xfdesktop4
xfdesktop4-data
xfprint4
xfwm4
xfwm4-themes
xgnokii
x-ttcidfont-conf


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RE: debian hangs after grub

[Mike Viau]

> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 20:40:42 +0300  wrote:
> > On 04/27/2011 04:50 PM, Mike Viau wrote:
> >> Hi again
> >>
> >> I also installed an ubuntu on the same machine, the ubuntu works fine,
> >> the debian issue still remains. So, I started playing with editing grub
> >> commands.
> >>
> >> In the debian non-recovery mode I removed from the grub command
> >> linux /vmlinuz... root=... ro quiet
> >> the "quiet" part
> >>
> >> And then booting works fine. Does that make any sense?
> >>
> >> Vangelis
> >>
> >> PS In order to apply this change permanently I edited the
> >> /etc/default/grub from
> >> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet"
> >> to
> >> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=""
> >>
> >> in the ubuntu (since it was the last to be installed)
> >>
> >
> >
> > Just a day or so ago I found a strange behaviour around kernel boot 
> > parmeters in Debian as well.
> >
> > A little digression:
> >
> > I have two computers (1x home server& 1x notebook) both running Debian 
> > Squeeze. One day I must have added panic=30 to both grub boot-loader 
> > configs and ran the update-grub command after on both. My laptop was 
> > restarted many times and booted flawlessly with the new change so I felt 
> > comfortable with leaving the 'panic' parameter on the home server as well. 
> > When I eventually got around to rebooting the server, it seemed that all of 
> > a sudden the home server stopped booting completely and just hung without 
> > any real kernel errors/messages being printed to the screen. Not initially 
> > thinking about the kernel parameter change made, I ran e2fsck the linux 
> > partitions, and even installed the 2.6.38-2 kernel from wheezy booting the 
> > system with the recovery entries from the grub boot menu that did not 
> > contain the panic option. Lastly I removed the panic=30 kernel parameter 
> > all together from the grub configuration and the server started booting 
> > again like normal.
> >
> >
> > Conclusion:
> >
> > I came to learn about the 'panic' option after reading the 
> > kernel-parameters.txt file from the Linux kernel documentation [1]. I see 
> > that the quiet option is also a KNL (or kernel start-up parameter. I 
> > figured these options should just work and well it seems it does on some 
> > installations but not other :S
> >
> > That's weird I must admit... perhaps you could added the panic=30 parameter 
> > to your boot entry as a test just to see if it hangs in the same place as 
> > it did with the quiet parameter.
>
> Hi Mike
>
> I set GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="panic=30" or
> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet panic=30" it boots just fine
>
>
> With GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet" it just hangs...
>
>

Hmm thanks for testing that. It's odd thought that you say 'quiet' works when 
'panic=30' is placed after it. It doesn't really help explain what's going on 
here, but you could call it a solution if the quiet parameter still works as 
expected with the panic=30 trailing after it. You'll know its working because 
your screen will have less messages on start up :)

FYI, I thought that the reason the system bootup was hanging was becuase of how 
the scripts residing in initrd.img were designed to handle kernel parameters 
passed by boot-loader. In particular I was looking at local-top being a 
potential place of interest, but I found nothing online to support this :S


-M
  

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Re: stopping sound juicer from starting

[Michael P. Soulier]

On 27/04/11 Tixy said:

> >From a Nautilus window, select Edit > Preferences > Media

Ah, thank you.

Mike


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Re: How to debug microphone?

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 20:15:53 +0200, Felix Natter wrote:

> Camaleón writes:
> 
>> Try with a more simple approach:
>>
>> # will start recording from the default input source arecord -d 10
>> /tmp/foo.wav
>>
>> And when it finishes, play it with:
>>
>> aplay /tmp/foo.wav
> 
> This records only noise.

"Noise" is something :-P

> Here is the output of arecord -l:
>  List of CAPTURE Hardware Devices  
> card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: STAC92xx Analog [STAC92xx Analog]
>   Subdevices: 2/2
>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
>   Subdevice #1: subdevice #1

- Check that you are connecting the microphone into the right socket 
(usually colored as pink on desktop computers).

- Check that the mic volume is set to a high level.

- Check that the system has configured the proper default mic device as 
input source (there can be more than one: front, rear... and must match 
to the one you have your mic connected to).

If none of the above works, you can try to define a "model=" for your 
sound card (STAC92xx).

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Re: How to debug microphone?

[Felix Natter]

Camaleón  writes:

> On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 13:18:21 +0200, Felix Natter wrote:
>
>> Volkan YAZICI writes:
>> 
>>> 2) Start arecord with vumeter enabled, that is,
>>>
>>>  arecord -V /tmp/foo.wav
>>>
>>>and see if vumeter changes.
>> 
>> The -V option is not recognized on Lenny (and -v doesn't produce a
>> vumeter).

hello Camaleon,

> Try with a more simple approach:
>
> # will start recording from the default input source
> arecord -d 10 /tmp/foo.wav
>
> And when it finishes, play it with:
>
> aplay /tmp/foo.wav

This records only noise.

Here is the output of arecord -l:
 List of CAPTURE Hardware Devices 
card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: STAC92xx Analog [STAC92xx Analog]
  Subdevices: 2/2
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
  Subdevice #1: subdevice #1

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Re: ttf-liberation over ttf-mscorefonts; was Re: Why doesn't debian remove the proprietary software from it's servers?

[Eike Lantzsch]

On Wednesday 27 April 2011 11:56:30 Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Mi, 27 apr 11, 10:11:28, Eike Lantzsch wrote:
> > Thank you for the hint. I tried Liberation sans instead of Arial. It
> > is not the same.
> 
> AFAIU it is not meant to be "the same" (it couldn't anyway, due to
> licensing issues)
Yep, sure, understood.
> , but with the same *metrics*. If I understand this
> right, it would mean that a document written with Arial would not be
> suddenly broken, because your replacement font has different sizes ;)
There are many fonts which have problems here and there - nothing's perfect. 
I'd just chose whichever font renders best for the purpose. I think it is most 
important that the document format isn't broken by using a drop-in replacement 
font and Liberation sans fills this purpose nicely. 
I understand that if we don't start to use free fonts instead of non-free the 
free fonts won't get any better over time.
> 
> > Non ASCII fonts with diacritical signs do not render correctly on-
> > screen.
> 
> Do you mean characters? I'm guessing a bug report would be appreciated
> if you can reproduce the issue.

Yes, non ASCII characters - sorry.
I'll file a bug report as soon as I can dig deeper into this minor issue. 
("can" means making time for it, testing printing as well and familiarize 
myself with the bug-reporting process.)
I'm still not sure if the problem is due to the font or more due to the 
program in which the font is used, so I'll have to try different programs too 
(editors, browsers, libreoffice, a library program and some other programs 
under wine 1.3).
.> 
> Regards,
> Andrei

Thank you and
kind regards
Eike

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Re: Mschap-v2 from linux client

[Joe]

On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 08:24:56 -0500
"cosme"  wrote:

> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
>  Hi
>  
> I've PC installed with they Debian squeezy and I need to connect
> myself to my ISP which Windows server you it uses 2003, the protocol
> that uses the same one is mschap-v2.  Debian uses for defect pap and
> chap. 
> how can make so that my linux uses the protocol MSCHAP-V2.
> 
> already look for with San Google but up to now anything has served me
> 
>
It might help if you said what you are trying to connect to. MSCHAP and
its derivatives are authentication handshake protocols only, they are
not connection protocols.

The Linux PPTP VPN client will certainly offer mschapv2, and has done
so for many years, since PPTP is a proprietary Microsoft protocol.
Network manager will allow this to be configured by GUI, if you have
the pptp plugin installed. MPPE 128 bit encryption has been in the
kernel since about 2.6.15, I think.

If it is a PPTP VPN you wish to use, don't forget to allow IP
*protocol* (not TCP or UDP port) 47 outbound from your network, as well
as TCP port 1723.

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Re: debian hangs after grub

[Vangelis Katsikaros]

On 04/27/2011 04:50 PM, Mike Viau wrote:



On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 15:00:40 +0300  wrote:


On 04/26/2011 05:29 PM, Vangelis Katsikaros wrote:
Hello

I just installed debian 6.0.1.a amd64 with net install, with a clean
install (before I had 5).

The system goes to grub and when I select the non-recovery mode
(2.6.32-5-amd64), I get a cursor that doesn't blink and no action at
all. I waited about 5-6 mins (I thought it would be checking for a card
or something else) but nothing happened. Ctrl+Alt+Del doesn't work.

Now, if I turn off and on the machine and:
- go to grub
- boot the recovery mode, and then at the root prompt I do a reboot
- go to grub
- boot the non recovery mode everything works fine and I get X and
everything.

I wonder how I can find what happens.

I have
- an lshw (from the debian 5 installation that's not there anymore) for
this machine http://pastebin.com/n7J8DWYZ
- the dmesg from the recovery mode is http://pastebin.com/UmtkYR5x

If you need any more info I can make it available.

Vangelis

PS the netinstall CD could not install with the simple installer or the
graphical one (again it hanged after selecting the install option) , so
I did the installation with expert install.




Hi again

I also installed an ubuntu on the same machine, the ubuntu works fine,
the debian issue still remains. So, I started playing with editing grub
commands.

In the debian non-recovery mode I removed from the grub command
linux /vmlinuz... root=... ro quiet
the "quiet" part

And then booting works fine. Does that make any sense?

Vangelis

PS In order to apply this change permanently I edited the
/etc/default/grub from
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet"
to
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=""

in the ubuntu (since it was the last to be installed)




Just a day or so ago I found a strange behaviour around kernel boot parmeters 
in Debian as well.

A little digression:

I have two computers (1x home server&  1x notebook) both running Debian 
Squeeze. One day I must have added panic=30 to both grub boot-loader configs and 
ran the update-grub command after on both. My laptop was restarted many times and 
booted flawlessly with the new change so I felt comfortable with leaving the 
'panic' parameter on the home server as well. When I eventually got around to 
rebooting the server, it seemed that all of a sudden the home server stopped 
booting completely and just hung without any real kernel errors/messages being 
printed to the screen. Not initially thinking about the kernel parameter change 
made, I ran e2fsck the linux partitions, and even installed the 2.6.38-2 kernel 
from wheezy booting the system with the recovery entries from the grub boot menu 
that did not contain the panic option. Lastly I removed the panic=30 kernel 
parameter all together from the grub configuration and the server started booting 
again like normal.


Conclusion:

I came to learn about the 'panic' option after reading the 
kernel-parameters.txt file from the Linux kernel documentation [1]. I see that 
the quiet option is also a KNL (or kernel start-up parameter. I figured these 
options should just work and well it seems it does on some installations but 
not other :S

That's wierd I must admit... perhaps you could added the panic=30 parameter to 
your boot entry as a test just to see if it hangs in the same place as it did 
with the quiet parameter.


Hi Mike

I set GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="panic=30" or 
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet panic=30" it boots just fine



With GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet" it just hangs...


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Re: stopping sound juicer from starting

[Tixy]

On Wed, 2011-04-27 at 12:53 -0400, Michael P. Soulier wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> When I insert a CD, sound juicer insists on starting on my gnome desktop. I'd
> rather use grip, and I can't find anywhere to configure which apps gnome
> launches when removable media is inserted. I'm running Squeeze.

>From a Nautilus window, select Edit > Preferences > Media

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stopping sound juicer from starting

[Michael P. Soulier]

Hi,

When I insert a CD, sound juicer insists on starting on my gnome desktop. I'd
rather use grip, and I can't find anywhere to configure which apps gnome
launches when removable media is inserted. I'm running Squeeze.

Suggestions?

Thanks,
Mike
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Re: Can't mount ntfs, says: unknown filesystem type 'LVM2_member'

[Chris Brennan]

On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Jose Legido  wrote:

Hello
> I had windows with ntfs
> I installed ubuntu. All ok. Gurb with 2 os, can ran windows and uvuntu and
> can mount windows partition in ubuntu
> I installed debian with lvm over ubuntu partition.
> I can't mount windows partition now, and windows doesn't appears in gurb
>
> # mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows/
> mount: unknown filesystem type 'LVM2_member'
>
> # pvs --all
>  PV VGFmt  Attr PSize   PFree
>  /dev/dm-1 --0   0
>  /dev/dm-2 --0   0
>  /dev/root --0   0
>  /dev/sda1lvm2 a-   113,25g 113,25g
>  /dev/sda2 --0   0
>  /dev/sda5  vol64 lvm2 a-   113,25g  0
>
> I can't active vg because haven't name, but is not lvm, is only ntfs
> partition
> Maybe ubuntu puts in lvm and grub? Any idea? I have a lot of usefull
> information in
> Thanks!
>
What does 'vgscan' produce? Was windows installed on it's own LVM? did you
load the ntfs module (from the kernel) or did you try to use ntfs3g? 'Ware
the user though, NTFS write support with either module is flaky at best,
some have reported success, some have not, YMMV.

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Re: Can't mount ntfs, says: unknown filesystem type 'LVM2_member'

[shawn wilson]

do an 'fdisk -l /dev/sda' and confirm everything, but, 'mount -t ntfs
 ' should work for you. it is possible that sda on ubuntu is
showing up as sdb in debian - why you should use labels if you don't.

On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Jose Legido  wrote:
> Hello
> I had windows with ntfs
> I installed ubuntu. All ok. Gurb with 2 os, can ran windows and uvuntu and
> can mount windows partition in ubuntu
> I installed debian with lvm over ubuntu partition.
> I can't mount windows partition now, and windows doesn't appears in gurb
>
> # mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows/
> mount: unknown filesystem type 'LVM2_member'
>
> # pvs --all
>  PV         VG    Fmt  Attr PSize   PFree
>  /dev/dm-1             --        0       0
>  /dev/dm-2             --        0       0
>  /dev/root             --        0       0
>  /dev/sda1        lvm2 a-   113,25g 113,25g
>  /dev/sda2             --        0       0
>  /dev/sda5  vol64 lvm2 a-   113,25g      0
>
> I can't active vg because haven't name, but is not lvm, is only ntfs
> partition
> Maybe ubuntu puts in lvm and grub? Any idea? I have a lot of usefull
> information in
> Thanks!


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Can't mount ntfs, says: unknown filesystem type 'LVM2_member'

[Jose Legido]

Hello
I had windows with ntfs
I installed ubuntu. All ok. Gurb with 2 os, can ran windows and uvuntu and
can mount windows partition in ubuntu
I installed debian with lvm over ubuntu partition.
I can't mount windows partition now, and windows doesn't appears in gurb

# mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows/
mount: unknown filesystem type 'LVM2_member'

# pvs --all
 PV VGFmt  Attr PSize   PFree
 /dev/dm-1 --0   0
 /dev/dm-2 --0   0
 /dev/root --0   0
 /dev/sda1lvm2 a-   113,25g 113,25g
 /dev/sda2 --0   0
 /dev/sda5  vol64 lvm2 a-   113,25g  0

I can't active vg because haven't name, but is not lvm, is only ntfs
partition
Maybe ubuntu puts in lvm and grub? Any idea? I have a lot of usefull
information in
Thanks!

Re: Wireless via dhcp needs repeated ifdown/ifup

[Andrei Popescu]

On Mi, 27 apr 11, 15:36:42, Anthony Campbell wrote:
> 
> Nothing in the logs apart from an entry saying the router doesn't do
> IPV6.

Maybe you need to turn verbose/debugging or whatever mode on in some 
config file ;)

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Re: ttf-liberation over ttf-mscorefonts; was Re: Why doesn't debian remove the proprietary software from it's servers?

[Andrei Popescu]

On Mi, 27 apr 11, 10:11:28, Eike Lantzsch wrote:

> Thank you for the hint. I tried Liberation sans instead of Arial. It 
> is not the same.

AFAIU it is not meant to be "the same" (it couldn't anyway, due to 
licensing issues), but with the same *metrics*. If I understand this 
right, it would mean that a document written with Arial would not be 
suddenly broken, because your replacement font has different sizes ;)

> Non ASCII fonts with diacritical signs do not render correctly on-
> screen. 

Do you mean characters? I'm guessing a bug report would be appreciated 
if you can reproduce the issue.

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Re: Why doesn't debian remove the proprietary software from it's servers?

[Andrei Popescu]

On Mi, 27 apr 11, 08:58:49, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> 
> Some searches of the Web will reveal the complete back story.  The short
> story is that the GNU Free Document License (GFDL) allows invariant
> sections in a document which violates the DFSG.

Just to clarify a bit for the archives: the fact that GFDL *allows* 
invariant sections is not a problem itself, the documents which actually 
include such sections are[1] ;)

[1] Because they fail DFSG 3 or Freedom 1 in FSF terms.

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Re: Wireless via dhcp needs repeated ifdown/ifup

[Liam O'Toole]

On 2011-04-27, Anthony Campbell  wrote:
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> I'll try isc-dhcp-client first and see if that is better. If not, I'll
> probably give wicd another whirl. Will report back later.

Give dhcpcd a whirl too. Some combinations of DHCP client and router are
buggy; you can switch to another DHCP client more easily than to another
router.

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Re: Wireless via dhcp needs repeated ifdown/ifup

[Anthony Campbell]

On 27 Apr 2011, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Ma, 26 apr 11, 16:11:40, Anthony Campbell wrote:
> > I have this stanza in /etc/network/interfaces:
> > 
> > auto eth1
> > iface eth1  inet dhcp
> > wireless-mode managed
> > wireless-essid 'My ESSID'
> > 
> > At the end of booting, the system tries to connect to the wireless point
> > but after repeated attempts it reports that no DHCP offers are found.
> > I then do:
> > sudo ifdown eth1 && sudo ifup eth1
> > 
> > and the wirless link comes up at once.
> 
> Anything interesting in the logs?
> 
> Regards,
> Andrei


Nothing in the logs apart from an entry saying the router doesn't do
IPV6.

Isc-dhcp-client was already installed automatically by Squeeze.

I tried wicd (and python-urwid), but although it could find the wireless
point it would not connect to it. I then had to purge obsessively
everything to do with wicd before I could connect with my standard
procedure.

So, in summary, there doesn't seem to be any obvious solution to this
puzzle, but I suppose I should at least be grateful that I can get
wireless to work even in this roundabout way.

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Re: Why doesn't debian remove the proprietary software from it's servers?

[Andrew McGlashan]

Nate Bargmann wrote:

* On 2011 27 Apr 08:55 -0500, Mike Viau wrote:

On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 09:50:07 -0400  wrote:

I ran this command on my laptop, and the returned list includes:

gdb-doc - The GNU Debugger Documentation

?Why the hell is gdb-doc not free?


I was wondering the same thing about the gcc-doc package.


Some searches of the Web will reveal the complete back story.  The short
story is that the GNU Free Document License (GFDL) allows invariant
sections in a document which violates the DFSG.


Okay, probably the same reason for gawk-doc too then.

#  aptitude search '~s"non-free"~i!~M'
i   gawk-doc- Documentation for GNU awk


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Re: Why doesn't debian remove the proprietary software from it's servers?

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 11:47:43 +0300, sdc wrote:

> Greetings, I was reading FSF distro review and I was shocked to see that
> Debian isn't actually free software. 
  ^^^

Uh? How is that?

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What Does Free Mean? or What do you mean by Free Software?
http://www.debian.org/intro/free.en.html
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> FSF said that they are making a big
> progress(this happened when they removed the blobs from the kernel) but
> still isn't free software because users have the option to install
> proprietary software from debian's server and this is a bit confusing
> for beginners in this free software world. 

Ah, you meant is not in the list of the FSF's free GNU/Linux 
distributions. That's another different thing.

> My beginner question is, why doesn't Debian remove the proprietary
> software hosted on it's servers? Don't they want to follow the FSF word?

I'd say no linux (or BSD) ditribution could do that if they want to live 
in the real world. Sadly, there is still a small part of hardware 
components that do not work well without the closed source drivers ;-(

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Re: ttf-liberation over ttf-mscorefonts; was Re: Why doesn't debian remove the proprietary software from it's servers?

[Eike Lantzsch]

On Wednesday 27 April 2011 09:02:38 Huang, Tao wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Klistvud  wrote:
> > Dne, 27. 04. 2011 12:36:03 je Andrei Popescu napisal(a):
> >> On Mi, 27 apr 11, 12:09:56, Klistvud wrote:
> >> > Seems a quite reasonable policy to me. Of course, we all wish we
> >> > could run free software ponly on our machines, but the time doesn't
> >> > seem ripe for that.
> >> 
> >> But we are getting closer every year:
> >> 
> >> $ aptitude search '~s"non-free|contrib"~i!~M'
> >> i   firmware-iwlwifi- Binary firmware for Intel Wireless
> >> 3945, 4
> >> i   flashplugin-nonfree - Adobe Flash Player - browser
> >> plugin i   nvidia-glx  - NVIDIA binary Xorg driver
> >> i   nvidia-settings - Tool for configuring the NVIDIA
> >> graphics d
> >> i   opera   - A fast and secure web browser and
> >> Internet
> >> i   skype   - Skype
> >> i   sun-java6-plugin- The Java(TM) Plug-in, Java SE 6
> >> i   unrar   - Unarchiver for .rar files
> >> (non-free versio
> >> 
> >> of these I could get rid of Opera anytime (I don't actually use it, but
> >> I test it from time to time) and probably the Java plugin (I don't even
> >> recall why it's installed).
> >> 
> >> There is work in progress for replacements for the nvidia driver and the
> >> flash plugin (but still not entirely there).
> >> 
> >> firmware-iwlwifi will be tough, because Intel claims it has to do with
> >> (FCC?) compliance and unrar because it's still quite widespread (but
> >> actually useless for compressed movies and mp3s, so it's more of a user
> >> education thing).
> > 
> > After the recent radeon improvements, my list is even shorter -- although
> > by only one line:
> > 
> > i   broadcom-sta-modules-2.6.32-5-amd64
> > - broadcom-sta modules for Linux (kernel
> > 2.6.32-5-amd64)
> > i   broadcom-sta-source
> > - Source for the Broadcom STA Wireless driver
> > i   conky
> > - highly configurable system monitor
> > (transitional package)
> > i   firmware-linux-nonfree
> >- Binary firmware for various drivers in the Linux
> > kernel
> > i   flashplugin-nonfree
> > - Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin
> > i   ttf-mscorefonts-installer
> > - Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts
> > i   unrar
> > - Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)
> > 
> > Of which I could easily get rid of ttf-mscorefonts, and potentially of
> > unrar and conky too (but I'm a huge fan of conky). And this is on a
> > laptop, which are notorious for requiring proprietary drivers and stuff.
> > 
> > On my desktop, the list is even more optimistic:
> > 
> > i   flashplugin-nonfree
> > - Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin
> > i   ttf-mscorefonts-installer
> > - Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts
> > i   unrar
> > - Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)
> > 
> > of which I could easily discard all but the flashplugin-nonfree (although
> > it's a piece of software I utterly despise).
> 
> can be even shorter if u replace ttf-mscorefonts with ttf-liberation
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Tao
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the same. Non ASCII fonts with diacritical signs do not render correctly on-
screen. That is especially nasty when trying to read Greek or Hebrew 
transcribed into Latin characters. For day-to-day work it might be OK however. 
I didn't try printing yet.
Just my 2 ¢ ...

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Re: Why doesn't debian remove the proprietary software from it's servers?

[Nate Bargmann]

* On 2011 27 Apr 08:55 -0500, Mike Viau wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 09:50:07 -0400  wrote:
> >
> > I ran this command on my laptop, and the returned list includes:
> >
> > gdb-doc - The GNU Debugger Documentation
> >
> > ?Why the hell is gdb-doc not free?
> 
> 
> I was wondering the same thing about the gcc-doc package.

Some searches of the Web will reveal the complete back story.  The short
story is that the GNU Free Document License (GFDL) allows invariant
sections in a document which violates the DFSG.

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RE: Why doesn't debian remove the proprietary software from it's servers?

[Mike Viau]

> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 09:50:07 -0400  wrote:
>
> I ran this command on my laptop, and the returned list includes:
>
> gdb-doc - The GNU Debugger Documentation
>
> ?Why the hell is gdb-doc not free?


I was wondering the same thing about the gcc-doc package.


>
> >On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 06:36, Andrei Popescu  wrote:
> > On Mi, 27 apr 11, 12:09:56, Klistvud wrote:
> >>
> >> Seems a quite reasonable policy to me. Of course, we all wish we
> >> could run free software ponly on our machines, but the time doesn't
> >> seem ripe for that.
> >
> > But we are getting closer every year:
> >
> > $ aptitude search '~s"non-free|contrib"~i!~M'
> > i   firmware-iwlwifi- Binary firmware for Intel Wireless 
> > 3945, 4
> > i   flashplugin-nonfree - Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin
> > i   nvidia-glx  - NVIDIA binary Xorg driver
> > i   nvidia-settings - Tool for configuring the NVIDIA 
> > graphics d
> > i   opera   - A fast and secure web browser and 
> > Internet
> > i   skype   - Skype
> > i   sun-java6-plugin- The Java(TM) Plug-in, Java SE 6
> > i   unrar   - Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free 
> > versio
> >
> > of these I could get rid of Opera anytime (I don't actually use it, but
> > I test it from time to time) and probably the Java plugin (I don't even
> > recall why it's installed).
> >
> > There is work in progress for replacements for the nvidia driver and the
> > flash plugin (but still not entirely there).
> >
> > firmware-iwlwifi will be tough, because Intel claims it has to do with
> > (FCC?) compliance and unrar because it's still quite widespread (but
> > actually useless for compressed movies and mp3s, so it's more of a user
> > education thing).
> >
> > Regards,
> > Andrei
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RE: debian hangs after grub

[Mike Viau]

> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 15:00:40 +0300  wrote:
>
> >On 04/26/2011 05:29 PM, Vangelis Katsikaros wrote:
> > Hello
> >
> > I just installed debian 6.0.1.a amd64 with net install, with a clean
> > install (before I had 5).
> >
> > The system goes to grub and when I select the non-recovery mode
> > (2.6.32-5-amd64), I get a cursor that doesn't blink and no action at
> > all. I waited about 5-6 mins (I thought it would be checking for a card
> > or something else) but nothing happened. Ctrl+Alt+Del doesn't work.
> >
> > Now, if I turn off and on the machine and:
> > - go to grub
> > - boot the recovery mode, and then at the root prompt I do a reboot
> > - go to grub
> > - boot the non recovery mode everything works fine and I get X and
> > everything.
> >
> > I wonder how I can find what happens.
> >
> > I have
> > - an lshw (from the debian 5 installation that's not there anymore) for
> > this machine http://pastebin.com/n7J8DWYZ
> > - the dmesg from the recovery mode is http://pastebin.com/UmtkYR5x
> >
> > If you need any more info I can make it available.
> >
> > Vangelis
> >
> > PS the netinstall CD could not install with the simple installer or the
> > graphical one (again it hanged after selecting the install option) , so
> > I did the installation with expert install.
> >
> >
>
> Hi again
>
> I also installed an ubuntu on the same machine, the ubuntu works fine,
> the debian issue still remains. So, I started playing with editing grub
> commands.
>
> In the debian non-recovery mode I removed from the grub command
> linux /vmlinuz... root=... ro quiet
> the "quiet" part
>
> And then booting works fine. Does that make any sense?
>
> Vangelis
>
> PS In order to apply this change permanently I edited the
> /etc/default/grub from
> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet"
> to
> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=""
>
> in the ubuntu (since it was the last to be installed)
>


Just a day or so ago I found a strange behaviour around kernel boot parmeters 
in Debian as well.

A little digression:

I have two computers (1x home server & 1x notebook) both running Debian 
Squeeze. One day I must have added panic=30 to both grub boot-loader configs 
and ran the update-grub command after on both. My laptop was restarted many 
times and booted flawlessly with the new change so I felt comfortable with 
leaving the 'panic' parameter on the home server as well. When I eventually got 
around to rebooting the server, it seemed that all of a sudden the home server 
stopped booting completely and just hung without any real kernel 
errors/messages being printed to the screen. Not initially thinking about the 
kernel parameter change made, I ran e2fsck the linux partitions, and even 
installed the 2.6.38-2 kernel from wheezy booting the system with the recovery 
entries from the grub boot menu that did not contain the panic option. Lastly I 
removed the panic=30 kernel parameter all together from the grub configuration 
and the server started booting again like normal.


Conclusion:

I came to learn about the 'panic' option after reading the 
kernel-parameters.txt file from the Linux kernel documentation [1]. I see that 
the quiet option is also a KNL (or kernel start-up parameter. I figured these 
options should just work and well it seems it does on some installations but 
not other :S

That's wierd I must admit... perhaps you could added the panic=30 parameter to 
your boot entry as a test just to see if it hangs in the same place as it did 
with the quiet parameter.



KNL Is a kernel start-up parameter.
quiet   [KNL] Disable most log messages

panic=  [KNL] Kernel behaviour on panic: delay 
seconds before rebooting
Format: 


[1] - 
http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/next/linux-next.git;a=blob_plain;f=Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt;hb=HEAD


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Re: Why doesn't debian remove the proprietary software from it's servers?

[Kjetil brinchmann Halvorsen]

I ran this command on my laptop, and the returned list includes:

 gdb-doc - The GNU Debugger Documentation

?Why the hell is gdb-doc not free?

Kjetil

On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 06:36, Andrei Popescu  wrote:
> On Mi, 27 apr 11, 12:09:56, Klistvud wrote:
>>
>> Seems a quite reasonable policy to me. Of course, we all wish we
>> could run free software ponly on our machines, but the time doesn't
>> seem ripe for that.
>
> But we are getting closer every year:
>
> $ aptitude search '~s"non-free|contrib"~i!~M'
> i   firmware-iwlwifi                - Binary firmware for Intel Wireless 
> 3945, 4
> i   flashplugin-nonfree             - Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin
> i   nvidia-glx                      - NVIDIA binary Xorg driver
> i   nvidia-settings                 - Tool for configuring the NVIDIA 
> graphics d
> i   opera                           - A fast and secure web browser and 
> Internet
> i   skype                           - Skype
> i   sun-java6-plugin                - The Java(TM) Plug-in, Java SE 6
> i   unrar                           - Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free 
> versio
>
> of these I could get rid of Opera anytime (I don't actually use it, but
> I test it from time to time) and probably the Java plugin (I don't even
> recall why it's installed).
>
> There is work in progress for replacements for the nvidia driver and the
> flash plugin (but still not entirely there).
>
> firmware-iwlwifi will be tough, because Intel claims it has to do with
> (FCC?) compliance and unrar because it's still quite widespread (but
> actually useless for compressed movies and mp3s, so it's more of a user
> education thing).
>
> Regards,
> Andrei
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ttf-liberation over ttf-mscorefonts; was Re: Why doesn't debian remove the proprietary software from it's servers?

[Huang, Tao]

On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Klistvud  wrote:
> Dne, 27. 04. 2011 12:36:03 je Andrei Popescu napisal(a):
>>
>> On Mi, 27 apr 11, 12:09:56, Klistvud wrote:
>> >
>> > Seems a quite reasonable policy to me. Of course, we all wish we
>> > could run free software ponly on our machines, but the time doesn't
>> > seem ripe for that.
>>
>> But we are getting closer every year:
>>
>> $ aptitude search '~s"non-free|contrib"~i!~M'
>> i   firmware-iwlwifi                - Binary firmware for Intel Wireless
>> 3945, 4
>> i   flashplugin-nonfree             - Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin
>> i   nvidia-glx                      - NVIDIA binary Xorg driver
>> i   nvidia-settings                 - Tool for configuring the NVIDIA
>> graphics d
>> i   opera                           - A fast and secure web browser and
>> Internet
>> i   skype                           - Skype
>> i   sun-java6-plugin                - The Java(TM) Plug-in, Java SE 6
>> i   unrar                           - Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free
>> versio
>>
>> of these I could get rid of Opera anytime (I don't actually use it, but
>> I test it from time to time) and probably the Java plugin (I don't even
>> recall why it's installed).
>>
>> There is work in progress for replacements for the nvidia driver and the
>> flash plugin (but still not entirely there).
>>
>> firmware-iwlwifi will be tough, because Intel claims it has to do with
>> (FCC?) compliance and unrar because it's still quite widespread (but
>> actually useless for compressed movies and mp3s, so it's more of a user
>> education thing).
>
> After the recent radeon improvements, my list is even shorter -- although by
> only one line:
>
> i   broadcom-sta-modules-2.6.32-5-amd64
>                         - broadcom-sta modules for Linux (kernel
> 2.6.32-5-amd64)
> i   broadcom-sta-source
>                         - Source for the Broadcom STA Wireless driver
> i   conky
>                         - highly configurable system monitor (transitional
> package)
> i   firmware-linux-nonfree
>                        - Binary firmware for various drivers in the Linux
> kernel
> i   flashplugin-nonfree
>                         - Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin
> i   ttf-mscorefonts-installer
>                         - Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts
> i   unrar
>                         - Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)
>
> Of which I could easily get rid of ttf-mscorefonts, and potentially of unrar
> and conky too (but I'm a huge fan of conky). And this is on a laptop, which
> are notorious for requiring proprietary drivers and stuff.
>
> On my desktop, the list is even more optimistic:
>
> i   flashplugin-nonfree
>                         - Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin
> i   ttf-mscorefonts-installer
>                         - Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts
> i   unrar
>                         - Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)
>
> of which I could easily discard all but the flashplugin-nonfree (although
> it's a piece of software I utterly despise).

can be even shorter if u replace ttf-mscorefonts with ttf-liberation


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I've PC installed with they Debian squeezy and I need to connect myself to 
my ISP which Windows server you it uses 2003, the protocol that uses the 
same one is mschap-v2.  Debian uses for defect pap and chap. 
 
how can make so that my linux uses the protocol MSCHAP-V2.

already look for with San Google but up to now anything has served me


 
thanks
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Re: debian hangs after grub

[Vangelis Katsikaros]

On 04/26/2011 05:29 PM, Vangelis Katsikaros wrote:

Hello

I just installed debian 6.0.1.a amd64 with net install, with a clean
install (before I had 5).

The system goes to grub and when I select the non-recovery mode
(2.6.32-5-amd64), I get a cursor that doesn't blink and no action at
all. I waited about 5-6 mins (I thought it would be checking for a card
or something else) but nothing happened. Ctrl+Alt+Del doesn't work.

Now, if I turn off and on the machine and:
- go to grub
- boot the recovery mode, and then at the root prompt I do a reboot
- go to grub
- boot the non recovery mode everything works fine and I get X and
everything.

I wonder how I can find what happens.

I have
- an lshw (from the debian 5 installation that's not there anymore) for
this machine http://pastebin.com/n7J8DWYZ
- the dmesg from the recovery mode is http://pastebin.com/UmtkYR5x

If you need any more info I can make it available.

Vangelis

PS the netinstall CD could not install with the simple installer or the
graphical one (again it hanged after selecting the install option) , so
I did the installation with expert install.




Hi again

I also installed an ubuntu on the same machine, the ubuntu works fine, 
the debian issue still remains. So, I started playing with editing grub 
commands.


In the debian non-recovery mode I removed from the grub command
linux /vmlinuz... root=... ro quiet
the "quiet" part

And then booting works fine. Does that make any sense?

Vangelis

PS  In order to apply this change permanently I edited the 
/etc/default/grub from

GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet"
to
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=""

in the ubuntu (since it was the last to be installed)


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Re: Why doesn't debian remove the proprietary software from it's servers?

[Erwan David]

On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 10:47:43AM CEST, sdc  said:
>Greetings, I was reading FSF distro review and I was shocked to see that
>Debian isn't actually free software. FSF said that they are making a big
>progress(this happened when they removed the blobs from the kernel) but
>still isn't free software because users have the option to install
>proprietary software from debian's server and this is a bit confusing for
>beginners in this free software world.
>My beginner question is, why doesn't Debian remove the proprietary
>software hosted on it's servers? Don't they want to follow the FSF word?

Maybe because it is better if people are free to choose knowingly, by 
themselves ?


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Re: Why doesn't debian remove the proprietary software from it's servers?

[Nate Bargmann]

My list is rather ironic, no?


$ aptitude search '~s"non-free|contrib"~i!~M'
i   bluez-firmware  - Firmware for
Bluetooth devices
i   emacs23-common-non-dfsg - GNU Emacs shared,
architecture independent, non-DFSG items
i   flashplugin-nonfree - Adobe Flash Player
- browser plugin   
i   sun-java6-bin   - Sun Java(TM)
Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 (architecture dep
i   sun-java6-jre   - Sun Java(TM)
Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 (architecture ind
i   sun-java6-plugin- The Java(TM)
Plug-in, Java SE 6   
i   unrar   - Unarchiver for
.rar files (non-free version)  
i   w32codecs   - win32 binary
codecs   


I probably don't need the ww32codecs and the bluez-firmware.  The
emacs23-common-non-dfsg is rather ironic.  Even FSF distributed code
isn't always DSFG free.  Perhaps the FSF ought to be sure their packages
meet the DFSG before throwing stones.  That said, I have a basic
understanding of the difference and each project's stand on the matter.

- Nate >>

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Re: Why doesn't debian remove the proprietary software from it's servers?

[Klistvud]

Dne, 27. 04. 2011 12:36:03 je Andrei Popescu napisal(a):

On Mi, 27 apr 11, 12:09:56, Klistvud wrote:
>
> Seems a quite reasonable policy to me. Of course, we all wish we
> could run free software ponly on our machines, but the time doesn't
> seem ripe for that.

But we are getting closer every year:

$ aptitude search '~s"non-free|contrib"~i!~M'
i   firmware-iwlwifi- Binary firmware for Intel  
Wireless 3945, 4
i   flashplugin-nonfree - Adobe Flash Player - browser  
plugin

i   nvidia-glx  - NVIDIA binary Xorg driver
i   nvidia-settings - Tool for configuring the NVIDIA  
graphics d
i   opera   - A fast and secure web browser  
and Internet

i   skype   - Skype
i   sun-java6-plugin- The Java(TM) Plug-in, Java SE 6
i   unrar   - Unarchiver for .rar files  
(non-free versio


of these I could get rid of Opera anytime (I don't actually use it,  
but
I test it from time to time) and probably the Java plugin (I don't  
even

recall why it's installed).

There is work in progress for replacements for the nvidia driver and  
the

flash plugin (but still not entirely there).

firmware-iwlwifi will be tough, because Intel claims it has to do with
(FCC?) compliance and unrar because it's still quite widespread (but
actually useless for compressed movies and mp3s, so it's more of a  
user

education thing).


After the recent radeon improvements, my list is even shorter --  
although by only one line:


i
broadcom-sta-modules-2.6.32-5-amd64  
- broadcom-sta modules for Linux (kernel 2.6.32-5-amd64)
i
broadcom-sta-source  
- Source for the Broadcom STA Wireless driver
i
conky
- highly configurable system monitor (transitional package)
i
firmware-linux-nonfree   
- Binary firmware for various drivers in the Linux kernel
i
flashplugin-nonfree  
- Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin
i
ttf-mscorefonts-installer
- Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts
i
unrar
- Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)


Of which I could easily get rid of ttf-mscorefonts, and potentially of  
unrar and conky too (but I'm a huge fan of conky). And this is on a  
laptop, which are notorious for requiring proprietary drivers and stuff.


On my desktop, the list is even more optimistic:

i
flashplugin-nonfree  
- Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin
i
ttf-mscorefonts-installer
- Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts
i
unrar
- Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)


of which I could easily discard all but the flashplugin-nonfree  
(although it's a piece of software I utterly despise).


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Re: Why doesn't debian remove the proprietary software from it's servers?

[Jochen Schulz]

Andrei Popescu:
> On Mi, 27 apr 11, 12:03:41, Jochen Schulz wrote:
>> 
>> In short: no. Debian follows the DFSG, the FSF follows its own rules.
>   ^^^
> You probably meant the Social Contract here ;)

I actually even wrote that but later on changed it to DFSG in order to
be more specific about license issues. But Social Contract is probably
more correct here, yes.

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Re: Why doesn't debian remove the proprietary software from it's servers?

[Andrei Popescu]

On Mi, 27 apr 11, 12:09:56, Klistvud wrote:
> 
> Seems a quite reasonable policy to me. Of course, we all wish we
> could run free software ponly on our machines, but the time doesn't
> seem ripe for that. 

But we are getting closer every year:

$ aptitude search '~s"non-free|contrib"~i!~M'
i   firmware-iwlwifi- Binary firmware for Intel Wireless 3945, 4
i   flashplugin-nonfree - Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin   
i   nvidia-glx  - NVIDIA binary Xorg driver 
i   nvidia-settings - Tool for configuring the NVIDIA graphics d
i   opera   - A fast and secure web browser and Internet
i   skype   - Skype 
i   sun-java6-plugin- The Java(TM) Plug-in, Java SE 6   
i   unrar   - Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free versio

of these I could get rid of Opera anytime (I don't actually use it, but 
I test it from time to time) and probably the Java plugin (I don't even 
recall why it's installed).

There is work in progress for replacements for the nvidia driver and the 
flash plugin (but still not entirely there).

firmware-iwlwifi will be tough, because Intel claims it has to do with 
(FCC?) compliance and unrar because it's still quite widespread (but 
actually useless for compressed movies and mp3s, so it's more of a user 
education thing).

Regards,
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Re: Why doesn't debian remove the proprietary software from it's servers?

[Andrei Popescu]

On Mi, 27 apr 11, 12:03:41, Jochen Schulz wrote:
> 
> In short: no. Debian follows the DFSG, the FSF follows its own rules.
  ^^^
You probably meant the Social Contract here ;)

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Re: Why doesn't debian remove the proprietary software from it's servers?

[Andrei Popescu]

On Mi, 27 apr 11, 11:47:43, sdc wrote:
> My beginner question is, why doesn't Debian remove the proprietary software
> hosted on it's servers? Don't they want to follow the FSF word?

Read the Social Contract, especially points 4. and 5.
http://www.debian.org/social_contract

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Re: Wireless via dhcp needs repeated ifdown/ifup

[Andrei Popescu]

On Ma, 26 apr 11, 16:11:40, Anthony Campbell wrote:
> I have this stanza in /etc/network/interfaces:
> 
> auto eth1
> iface eth1  inet dhcp
> wireless-mode managed
> wireless-essid 'My ESSID'
> 
> At the end of booting, the system tries to connect to the wireless point
> but after repeated attempts it reports that no DHCP offers are found.
> I then do:
> sudo ifdown eth1 && sudo ifup eth1
> 
> and the wirless link comes up at once.

Anything interesting in the logs?

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Re: Why doesn't debian remove the proprietary software from it's servers?

[Klistvud]

Dne, 27. 04. 2011 10:47:43 je sdc napisal(a):
Greetings, I was reading FSF distro review and I was shocked to see  
that
Debian isn't actually free software. FSF said that they are making a  
big
progress(this happened when they removed the blobs from the kernel)  
but

still isn't free software because users have the option to install
proprietary software from debian's server and this is a bit confusing  
for

beginners in this free software world.
My beginner question is, why doesn't Debian remove the proprietary  
software

hosted on it's servers? Don't they want to follow the FSF word?


Thanks!




Debian is a fairly complex infrastructure. There is a free as in  
freedom subset provided in the form of Debian's "main" software  
repository -- we could call it the "hard core" of Debian. This is the  
only software repository that is included in a default Debian  
installation; you must explicitly and intentionally enable other  
repositories to get "non-free" software. But even the so-called  
"non-free"software must still comply with the Debian Free Software  
Guidelines in order to be provided by Debian; and even so, it's not  
part of Debian strictly speaking, it's just provided as an additional  
service to Debian users at large.


Seems a quite reasonable policy to me. Of course, we all wish we could  
run free software ponly on our machines, but the time doesn't seem ripe  
for that. Most machines have proprietary BIOSes, as do many add-in  
cards, even hard disks have a non-free firmware down deep inside. So  
it's pretty hard to draw a line, even on a personal, user level. What  
about our cars? They all have quite powerful computers built in now to  
make them work at all -- running strictly proprietary software, of  
course. Our fridges and washing mashines -- ditto. Our cell phones, mp3  
players, cameras, media centers, TV sets -- ditto.


That said, one has the option to pick a "more free" distribution if  
they deem strict Debian (i.e. Debian as such, without the contrib and  
non-free repositories) is not free enough.


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Re: Why doesn't debian remove the proprietary software from it's servers?

[Jochen Schulz]

sdc:
>
> My beginner question is, why doesn't Debian remove the proprietary software
> hosted on it's servers?

Because Debian currently thinks keeping proprietary packages serves
their users better than removing the "offending" packages. Officially,
proprietary packages aren't part of Debian anyway because they do not
enter main, only contrib or non-free. After installation, the user has
to explicitly add contrib and non-free to her sources.list in order to
install proprietary software.

One could argue (which I suppose the FSF is doing) that the distinction
between main and the rest is hypocritical, since Debian still
distributes contrib and non-free. From my POV, Debian's current way to
handle this issue is in fact serving their users best. (DFSG-)Free
Software by default, but every user may choose her own lovel of
"unfreeness".

> Don't they want to follow the FSF word?

In short: no. Debian follows the DFSG, the FSF follows its own rules.
Although both parties have quite a lot in common wrt Free Software,
Debian and the FSF have a long history of disagreement about "smaller"
issues. To me, it's basically a "potato / potahto" issue. ;-)

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Why doesn't debian remove the proprietary software from it's servers?

[sdc]

Greetings, I was reading FSF distro review and I was shocked to see that
Debian isn't actually free software. FSF said that they are making a big
progress(this happened when they removed the blobs from the kernel) but
still isn't free software because users have the option to install
proprietary software from debian's server and this is a bit confusing for
beginners in this free software world.
My beginner question is, why doesn't Debian remove the proprietary software
hosted on it's servers? Don't they want to follow the FSF word?


Thanks!

Re: Wireless via dhcp needs repeated ifdown/ifup

[Anthony Campbell]

On 27 Apr 2011, Charlie wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 16:11:40 +0100


Many thanks, Camaleon and Charlier. I'm not using Network-Manager or
wicd. I did try both of them in the long-ago but found it easier to set
things up by hand, which meant I had at least a vague idea of what I was
doing.

I'll try isc-dhcp-client first and see if that is better. If not, I'll
probably give wicd another whirl. Will report back later.

Anthony


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Re: Diagnosing lack of sound problem on HP laptop

[tv.deb...@googlemail.com]

27/04/2011 02:35, Tim Long wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I have installed squeeze (amd64) on a HP Compaq 6730s laptop and
> currently the sound is not working. It works fine in when running
> Vista of the other partition.
> 
> The sound chip is Intel:
> $ lspci | grep Audio
> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio
> Controller (rev 03)
> 
> $ cat /proc/asound/card0/codec#0 | grep Codec
> Codec: Analog Devices AD1984A
> 
> Looking around on the web I found instructions to try model options
> from doc file HD-Audio-Models.txt.gz. I have tried adding  all the
> combinations of options snd-hda-intel model=laptop, model=mobile .
> to the file /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf but nothing has changed.
> 
> The LinLatop website entry for the model also suggested the module
> option of: 'options snd-hda-intel model=laptop enable=1 index=0' but
> still no luck.
> 
> Any ideas where to go from here?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Tim.
> 
> 

Hi, I have the same laptop (cpu Intel c2duo T5870, ATI mobility Radeon
HD 3430, same audio chip). It's currently running Kubuntu 10.10 but was
running Debian Squeeze for a while. What surprises me is that with
Squeeze kernel you should not need the line

options snd-hda-intel model=laptop enable=1 index=0

in alsa-base.conf, it was only necessary for me prior to kernel 2.6.30.

The fn+mute key has a very strange behavior sometimes, the proper state
(muted or not) is not shown in the various sound applets I used (in
gnome and kde), but the mute key works nonetheless and when it is used
to mute the sound you may need to use it again to de-mute, it won't work
using only the sound applet from your desktop environment. Maybe you can
try playing with this key and double check in between with alsamixer
that no channel is muted.


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Re: Debian 6: openvpn tun0 device not created

[Chris]

Huang, Tao wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 4:14 AM, Chris  wrote:

>>> (Device not found)
>>> the openvpn.conf is copied from a backup, it was working with Debian 5.
>>> In the logfile, I dont find any errors.
>>> What may be wrong?
>>
>> This is on a client, btw. The server and other clients work without
>> problems.
> 
> plz post ur openvpn.conf file and the connection's log.

In the openvpn.log on the server I found:

Tue Apr 26 12:35:16 2011 us=469148 92.206.139.37:44005 VERIFY ERROR: 
depth=0, error=unable to get local issuer certificate: 
/C=DE/ST=DE/L=Berlin/O=.de/CN=/emailAddress=.yy...@.de
Tue Apr 26 12:35:16 2011 us=469322 92.206.139.37:44005 TLS_ERROR: BIO read 
tls_read_plaintext error: error:140890B2:SSL 
routines:SSL3_GET_CLIENT_CERTIFICATE:no certificate returned

But the keys should be alright? I will reinstall them


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