[Declude.JunkMail] Missing delivery headers?

2003-12-01 Thread Bill Landry
I know that this is one of those bogus eBay messages (see attached log and
header snippets), but I'm trying to figure out why some of the delivery
headers are missing and where they might be getting removed.

The Postfix gateway logs show the message was received from
h24-87-16-107.vc.shawcable.net[24.87.16.107], but for some reason the
JunkMail logs and the message headers do not show any previous hops prior to
the Postfix gateway.

What are others seeing that are running gateways in front of their IMail
servers?  It appears to only be happening with these bogus eBay messages,
but I don't know what it is about these particular messages that would cause
some of the headers to disappear.

Thoughts?

Bill


MissingHeaders.zip
Description: Zip compressed data


[Declude.JunkMail] Re-training needed..

2003-12-01 Thread Kami Razvan



Hi..

I have searched 
all over the archive and the manual and can't find what exactly it is that we 
have added to our global statement. I know that it must have made sense 
when we added it.. 

COMMENTS 
comments weight x 5 
0

The manual only 
talks about the test but has no examples.. I know the comments test but 
how does the above work?

It will add the 
weight if 5 or more comments are found?

So if there are 15 
comments in the body what would the weight be?

May be it is too 
early and my brain is not functioning yet... :)

Regards,
Kami


[Declude.JunkMail] Another phishing attempt..

2003-12-01 Thread Kami Razvan



Hi;
Just saw this 
caught.. it seems like it is another phishing attempt..

Regards,
Kami

==
X-Declude-Sender: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[66.202.36.78]X-Declude-Spoolname: Dc3520209011e0efa.SMDX-Note: This 
E-mail was scanned  filtered by Declude [1.76i28] for SPAM  
virus.X-Weight: 58X-Note: Sent from Reverse DNS: 
host-66-202-36-78.man.choiceone.netX-Hello: 12.4.218.129


--_E0_02.EC4C_958EContent-Type: 
text/plain;Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

htmlThis is James from Swiftpay customer 
service. I'm e-mailing you to inform =you that user: John94 has sent you 
$124. Please login to your swiftpay acc=ount and claim your secured funds. 
To recieve your funds you need to have a valid and up to date swiftpay 
ac=count.Please a href="" 
href="http://www.swiftpay.tk">http://www.swiftpay.tk" 
>LICK HERE/a to sign up if you do not 
already have an account. Your money will remain in your account pending a 
claim for 96 hours at whi=ch time it will be held to protect against 
possible money laundering and f=raud. Have a nice 
daySincerely,Swiftpay Customer Service[EMAIL PROTECTED]/html

uejgkoaaogsusgdbocktemk u fbvevp 
ydrspc sjth

--_E0_02.EC4C_958E--


Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Re-training needed..

2003-12-01 Thread Don Brown
Hi Kami,

According to my notes . . .

  COMMENTS  comments  weight  x  10  0

  In the above case, the weight of the E-mail will be increased by the
  number of anti-filtering comments that are found (plus the base
  weight of the test). So if there are 3 in there, the weight will be
  increased by 13 (10 for failing the test, and 1 for each
  anti-filtering comment found). If there are 40 such comments, a
  total of 50 would be added to the weight of the E-mail.

The following is from the global, available from the junkmail manual:

  COMMENTScommentsx   x   7   0

The following is from our global:

  COMMENTS   comments  5   x   10  0

  In the above case, the test will only fail those e-mails which
  contain 5 or more anti-filtering comments.

HTH

Thanks,


Monday, December 1, 2003, 4:46:04 AM, Kami Razvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
KR Hi..
 
KR I have searched all over the archive and the manual and can't find what
KR exactly it is that we have added to our global statement.  I know that it
KR must have made sense when we added it.. 
 
KR COMMENTS   comments   weight  x   5  0
 
KR The manual only talks about the test but has no examples.. I know the
KR comments test but how does the above work?
 
KR It will add the weight if 5 or more comments are found?
 
KR So if there are 15 comments in the body what would the weight be?
 
KR May be it is too early and my brain is not functioning yet... :)
 
KR Regards,
KR Kami




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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Missing delivery headers?

2003-12-01 Thread R. Scott Perry

What are others seeing that are running gateways in front of their IMail
servers?  It appears to only be happening with these bogus eBay messages,
but I don't know what it is about these particular messages that would cause
some of the headers to disappear.
This is unusual -- either Postfix isn't adding the Received: header, or it 
is getting stripped somehow while or after IMail receives it.  But given 
the way that IMail works, it's very unlikely that it is being stripped 
after IMail receives it.  That's because IMail saves the D*.SMD file by 
writing its Received: header, and then adding whatever comes in from the 
remote mailserver.  So when the E-mail is later actually processed (by 
IMail or Declude), there is already a Received: header before the possibly 
stripped Received header.  I'm not aware of any cases where IMail or 
Declude will intentionally remove a header.

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[Declude.JunkMail] Refusing message based on nul sender

2003-12-01 Thread serge
how paranoid should you be to refuse message based on this only criteria ?

20031127 154038 127.0.0.1   SMTP (07980D3F) 501 5.7.1 MX of sender
(mail.cefib.com.) does not accept  address as required by RFC 821, 1123,
2505, and 2821
20031127 154038 127.0.0.1   SMTP (07980D3F) ERR undeliverable 501 5.7.1
MX of sender (mail.cefib.com.) does not accept  address as required by RFC
821, 1123, 2505, and 2821


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AW: [Declude.JunkMail] More ATTACH and MAILBOX questions

2003-12-01 Thread Guhl, Markus (LDS)
Title: AW: [Declude.JunkMail] More ATTACH and MAILBOX questions






hi scott,


since more then 2000 of my users use web messaging the attach action is no real option for me. 

i use declude virus as well and there i use the emailnotifikation for the recipient when an email is hold because of a vulnerability. in this notification i give the queue file name of the hold email to the recipient and let him decide if he wants the message to be delivered (right now we do this by hand, but we working on an other way). if there would be a notification based an the hold action in jm, i could use it in a similar way (at least for those messages with a weight on the edge between legal and spam). the best thing would be, if i had something like skipifweightishigher in the eml for this!

mfg

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gez. guhl


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I'm testing out the ATTACH and MAILBOX options. In web messaging many of 

the Declude tagged MAILBOX and ATTACH messages do not display the Declude 

spam hider info. or appear as attachments. Is this are there workarounds 

for web messaging?


I believe that IMail's web messaging doesn't support E-mail attachments 

(E-mails within a E-mail) that the ATTACH action uses. Unfortunately, I 

don't know of any workaround.


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Re: AW: [Declude.JunkMail] More ATTACH and MAILBOX questions

2003-12-01 Thread R. Scott Perry

since more then 2000 of my users use web messaging the attach action is no 
real option for me.
i use declude virus as well and there i use the emailnotifikation for the 
recipient when an email is hold because of a vulnerability. in this 
notification i give the queue file name of the hold email to the recipient 
and let him decide if he wants the message to be delivered (right now we 
do this by hand, but we working on an other way). if there would be a 
notification based an the hold action in jm, i could use it in a similar 
way (at least for those messages with a weight on the edge between legal 
and spam). the best thing would be, if i had something like 
skipifweightishigher in the eml for this!
We are actually looking into notifications for Declude JunkMail (where the 
notifications could be batched, too, such as daily notifications).

   -Scott
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SKIPIFWEIGHT and MAXWEIGHT

2003-12-01 Thread Frederick Samarelli
I have my system setup as listed below.

Why would the system ingnore the WEIGHT100 DELETE

it is performing WEIGHT40 ROUTETO [EMAIL PROTECTED]

(In the top of my Filters)
SKIPIFWEIGHT 100
MAXWEIGHT100

$default$.junkmail
WEIGHT100 DELETE

Global.cfg
WEIGHT100 weight  x x 100 0




- Original Message - 
From: Kami Razvan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 5:34 AM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SKIPIFWEIGHT and MAXWEIGHT


 Hi Frederick:

 Here is what we do:

 # Version= 1.27i28: Skip the test if weight is reached
 SKIPIFWEIGHT 70
 # Version= 1.27i28: Exit the test if weight is reached
 MAXWEIGHT60
 REMOTEIP  0STARTSWITH 157.151.5
 REMOTEIP  0STARTSWITH 193.216.245.227
 REMOTEIP  0STARTSWITH 194.143.183.53


 You have to be using Declude 1.27i27 or 28 (I don't remember) or higher..

 Simply add them to the top of your filter files and it will do what they
say
 they do..

 Upon start of the filter if the total weight prior to entering the filter
is
 70 then the filter will not run and if during the run of the filter the
 weight associated with the filter reaches 60 then the filter exits.

 So if you have a weight of 50 going into the filter you can exit the
filter
 with no more than 110 as weight.

 OR

 If you are running the filter and you are already at a weight of 70 then
the
 filter will never run and you will exit with 70.

 Recommendation:

 Make sure you put all your weights that have negative weight prior to the
 ones with positive weight.  That is what we do - all of our negative
weights
 are on top of the global.cfg and we have structured our filters such that
 the bigger filters are the last to execute so hopefully if the weight is
 large enough prior to getting to them they will not run.

 Looking at our log files it is incredible how many of the filters are not
 even running anymore but they are there just in case...

 Hope that answers your question..

 Regards,
 Kami

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Samarelli
 Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 11:20 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] SKIPIFWEIGHT and MAXWEIGHT

 Does any one have more information on these SKIPIFWEIGHT and MAXWEIGHT


 Thanks.

 Fred

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SKIPIFWEIGHT and MAXWEIGHT

2003-12-01 Thread R. Scott Perry

I have my system setup as listed below.

Why would the system ingnore the WEIGHT100 DELETE
Note that the SKIPIFWEIGHT and MAXWEIGHT options in the latest interim 
release only apply to the filters that they are listed in.

it is performing WEIGHT40 ROUTETO [EMAIL PROTECTED]

(In the top of my Filters)
SKIPIFWEIGHT 100
MAXWEIGHT100
Here, the maximum weight that this specific filter can add is 100 (and the 
test will not be run if the weight is calculated at 100 or higher when the 
test is run).

$default$.junkmail
WEIGHT100 DELETE
Global.cfg
WEIGHT100 weight  x x 100 0
In this case, if the total weight for the E-mail is 100 or higher, it 
should be deleted.

Note that the WEIGHT100 DELETE would be ignored if there are per-user or 
per-domain settings (which would override it), or if the E-mail is outgoing 
(in which case the \IMail\Declude\global.cfg file would be used).

   -Scott
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SKIPIFWEIGHT and MAXWEIGHT

2003-12-01 Thread Frederick Samarelli
Once again I found my own problem.

Thanks.
- Original Message - 
From: Frederick Samarelli [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SKIPIFWEIGHT and MAXWEIGHT


 I have my system setup as listed below.

 Why would the system ingnore the WEIGHT100 DELETE

 it is performing WEIGHT40 ROUTETO [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 (In the top of my Filters)
 SKIPIFWEIGHT 100
 MAXWEIGHT100

 $default$.junkmail
 WEIGHT100 DELETE

 Global.cfg
 WEIGHT100 weight  x x 100 0




 - Original Message - 
 From: Kami Razvan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 5:34 AM
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SKIPIFWEIGHT and MAXWEIGHT


  Hi Frederick:
 
  Here is what we do:
 
  # Version= 1.27i28: Skip the test if weight is reached
  SKIPIFWEIGHT 70
  # Version= 1.27i28: Exit the test if weight is reached
  MAXWEIGHT60
  REMOTEIP  0STARTSWITH 157.151.5
  REMOTEIP  0STARTSWITH 193.216.245.227
  REMOTEIP  0STARTSWITH 194.143.183.53
 
 
  You have to be using Declude 1.27i27 or 28 (I don't remember) or
higher..
 
  Simply add them to the top of your filter files and it will do what they
 say
  they do..
 
  Upon start of the filter if the total weight prior to entering the
filter
 is
  70 then the filter will not run and if during the run of the filter the
  weight associated with the filter reaches 60 then the filter exits.
 
  So if you have a weight of 50 going into the filter you can exit the
 filter
  with no more than 110 as weight.
 
  OR
 
  If you are running the filter and you are already at a weight of 70 then
 the
  filter will never run and you will exit with 70.
 
  Recommendation:
 
  Make sure you put all your weights that have negative weight prior to
the
  ones with positive weight.  That is what we do - all of our negative
 weights
  are on top of the global.cfg and we have structured our filters such
that
  the bigger filters are the last to execute so hopefully if the weight is
  large enough prior to getting to them they will not run.
 
  Looking at our log files it is incredible how many of the filters are
not
  even running anymore but they are there just in case...
 
  Hope that answers your question..
 
  Regards,
  Kami
 
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frederick
 Samarelli
  Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 11:20 PM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] SKIPIFWEIGHT and MAXWEIGHT
 
  Does any one have more information on these SKIPIFWEIGHT and MAXWEIGHT
 
 
  Thanks.
 
  Fred
 
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SKIPIFWEIGHT and MAXWEIGHT

2003-12-01 Thread Frederick Samarelli
So if I want to perform an action at 100 should I change these to:

SKIPIFWEIGHT 101
MAXWEIGHT101
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From: R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SKIPIFWEIGHT and MAXWEIGHT



 I have my system setup as listed below.
 
 Why would the system ingnore the WEIGHT100 DELETE

 Note that the SKIPIFWEIGHT and MAXWEIGHT options in the latest interim
 release only apply to the filters that they are listed in.

 it is performing WEIGHT40 ROUTETO [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 (In the top of my Filters)
 SKIPIFWEIGHT 100
 MAXWEIGHT100

 Here, the maximum weight that this specific filter can add is 100 (and the
 test will not be run if the weight is calculated at 100 or higher when the
 test is run).

 $default$.junkmail
 WEIGHT100 DELETE
 
 Global.cfg
 WEIGHT100 weight  x x 100 0

 In this case, if the total weight for the E-mail is 100 or higher, it
 should be deleted.

 Note that the WEIGHT100 DELETE would be ignored if there are per-user or
 per-domain settings (which would override it), or if the E-mail is
outgoing
 (in which case the \IMail\Declude\global.cfg file would be used).

 -Scott
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SKIPIFWEIGHT and MAXWEIGHT

2003-12-01 Thread R. Scott Perry

So if I want to perform an action at 100 should I change these to:

SKIPIFWEIGHT 101
MAXWEIGHT101
No.  You definitely, positively should not be using SKIPIFWEIGHT or 
MAXWEIGHT right now unless you understand exactly how they work.  I would 
urge you to wait until the next beta before using those features.

   -Scott
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] EASYNET tests going away December 1

2003-12-01 Thread paul
Andy,
You have all of these tests running? What's the impact on the server for
all of these? What's your mail load? I just love having to replace all these
tests every month or so, don't we all? LOL! But I want to lessen the impact
on our server as much as possible. What of these tests do you recommend the
most?

Paul



 Hi,

 Yesterday's results of my EasyNet replacement candidates:

 TEST # FAILED   Percentage

 AHBLDOMAINS710.95%
 AHBLPROXIES...7359.82%
 AHBLSOURCES...3514.69% (reliable, so far)

 NJABLDUL..2743.66% (many duplicates with SORBS-DUL)
 NJABLPROXIES1,085...14.49%
 NJABLRELAYS...1181.58%
 NJABLSOURCES..2653.54% (reliable, so far)

 SORBS-DUL...2,664...35.58%
 SORBS-HTTP7379.84% (proxies)
 SORBS-MISC.801.07% (proxies)
 SORBS-SOCKS...873...11.66% (proxies)
 SORBS-SMTP..50.07%
 SORBS-ZOMBIE...300.40%

 A) Do NOT use SORBS-SPAM.  As they point out on their web site, it has
been
 infested with the mail servers of most major providers by the simple fact
 that virus-infected customer systems have been sending arbitrary emails,
 implicating the mail sever of the provider.  I tested it for two days and
 kept lowering the weight until I realized that it was not at all helpful
in
 trying to distinguish spam from legitimate mail.

 B) I have been holding and/or deleting ANYTHING proxy for many weeks now
 and so far never had any customer complaints about lost emails.

 Best Regards
 Andy Schmidt

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] EASYNET tests going away December 1

2003-12-01 Thread Alejandro Valenzuela
Paul 

What program do you use to get those statistics listed ??

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Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] EASYNET tests going away December 1


Andy,
You have all of these tests running? What's the impact on the server for
all of these? What's your mail load? I just love having to replace all these
tests every month or so, don't we all? LOL! But I want to lessen the impact
on our server as much as possible. What of these tests do you recommend the
most?

Paul



 Hi,

 Yesterday's results of my EasyNet replacement candidates:

 TEST # FAILED   Percentage

 AHBLDOMAINS710.95%
 AHBLPROXIES...7359.82%
 AHBLSOURCES...3514.69% (reliable, so far)

 NJABLDUL..2743.66% (many duplicates with SORBS-DUL)
 NJABLPROXIES1,085...14.49%
 NJABLRELAYS...1181.58%
 NJABLSOURCES..2653.54% (reliable, so far)

 SORBS-DUL...2,664...35.58%
 SORBS-HTTP7379.84% (proxies)
 SORBS-MISC.801.07% (proxies)
 SORBS-SOCKS...873...11.66% (proxies)
 SORBS-SMTP..50.07%
 SORBS-ZOMBIE...300.40%

 A) Do NOT use SORBS-SPAM.  As they point out on their web site, it has
been
 infested with the mail servers of most major providers by the simple fact
 that virus-infected customer systems have been sending arbitrary emails,
 implicating the mail sever of the provider.  I tested it for two days and
 kept lowering the weight until I realized that it was not at all helpful
in
 trying to distinguish spam from legitimate mail.

 B) I have been holding and/or deleting ANYTHING proxy for many weeks now
 and so far never had any customer complaints about lost emails.

 Best Regards
 Andy Schmidt

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] EASYNET tests going away December 1

2003-12-01 Thread Andy Schmidt

Hi Paul:

It's hard to measure the actual impact, as this machine serves a few
functions.  However, my unscientific observation has been, that two other
applications on that machine are gobbling up most of its CPU use.  

Declude's use is noticeable - but minor - and seems to be mostly for Declude
Virus launching the virus scanner.  Also, keep in mind that in later Declude
versions Scott had optimized the DNS queries that are directed against the
SAME dnsbl server.

My logic is - if it helps holding or deleting 10 or more percent of messages
then I would just have to provide whatever hardware resources are necessary
to run the additional test to save money at every desktop.

If you are trying to ecnomize I would drop AHBL and then NJABL and only keep
SORBS.  However, I found that the  AHBLSOURCES and NJABLSOURCES are pretty
reliable, so I give them a high weight - where the SORBS-SOURCES test was
eliminated because it's mostly false positives.

Best Regards
Andy Schmidt

HM Systems Software, Inc.
600 East Crescent Avenue, Suite 203
Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846

Phone:  +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business)
Fax:+1 201 934-9206

http://www.HM-Software.com/


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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] EASYNET tests going away December 1


Andy,
You have all of these tests running? What's the impact on the server for
all of these? What's your mail load? I just love having to replace all these
tests every month or so, don't we all? LOL! But I want to lessen the impact
on our server as much as possible. What of these tests do you recommend the
most?

Paul



 Hi,

 Yesterday's results of my EasyNet replacement candidates:

 TEST # FAILED   Percentage

 AHBLDOMAINS710.95%
 AHBLPROXIES...7359.82%
 AHBLSOURCES...3514.69% (reliable, so far)

 NJABLDUL..2743.66% (many duplicates with 
 SORBS-DUL) NJABLPROXIES1,085...14.49%
 NJABLRELAYS...1181.58%
 NJABLSOURCES..2653.54% (reliable, so far)

 SORBS-DUL...2,664...35.58%
 SORBS-HTTP7379.84% (proxies) 
 SORBS-MISC.801.07% (proxies) 
 SORBS-SOCKS...873...11.66% (proxies) 
 SORBS-SMTP..50.07%
 SORBS-ZOMBIE...300.40%

 A) Do NOT use SORBS-SPAM.  As they point out on their web site, it has
been
 infested with the mail servers of most major providers by the simple 
 fact that virus-infected customer systems have been sending arbitrary 
 emails, implicating the mail sever of the provider.  I tested it for 
 two days and kept lowering the weight until I realized that it was not 
 at all helpful
in
 trying to distinguish spam from legitimate mail.

 B) I have been holding and/or deleting ANYTHING proxy for many weeks 
 now and so far never had any customer complaints about lost emails.

 Best Regards
 Andy Schmidt

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude Itemized Summaries by Customer/Domain

2003-12-01 Thread Andy Schmidt

 What program do you use to get those statistics listed ?? 

DL Analyzer.  

I love this tool.  I have it set up to send daily/weekly summaries of all
emails held or deleted for certain domains to the technical contacts of some
larger customers.

All they used to know was how much email they get, how much occasional SPAM
still slips through and if someone complains about the very occasional false
positive.  

Now that they see itemized how many thousands of emails are being BLOCKED to
their users, they are much more willing to reasonably deal with the
occasional false-positive.  It's a nice way of doing good and talking about
it:

http://www.dlanalyzer.com

I'm trying to get the developers to add the same function for Declude Virus.
Then, instead of sending out a notice PER virus (or even suppressing virus
notices because of volume), I could have it send daily or weekly summaries
to tell them how great a hosting company we are - without flooding
customer's mailboxes.

Best Regards
Andy Schmidt

Argos Networks
600 East Crescent Avenue, Suite 203
Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846

Phone:  +1 201 934-9411 x20 (Business)
Fax:+1 201 934-9206

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] EASYNET tests going away December 1

2003-12-01 Thread Mark Smith
FWIW, I run many more tests than this -- about 30 total plus the internal
Declude tests, External Sniffer, and Declude Virus.
Message load is about 150,000 messages per day on a dual 2.8 Ghz.
No performance hits noticed.


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of paul
 Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 11:52 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] EASYNET tests going away December 1

 Andy,
 You have all of these tests running? What's the impact on
 the server for all of these? What's your mail load? I just
 love having to replace all these tests every month or so,
 don't we all? LOL! But I want to lessen the impact on our
 server as much as possible. What of these tests do you
 recommend the most?

 Paul


 
  Hi,
 
  Yesterday's results of my EasyNet replacement candidates:
 
  TEST # FAILED   Percentage
 
  AHBLDOMAINS710.95%
  AHBLPROXIES...7359.82%
  AHBLSOURCES...3514.69% (reliable, so far)
 
  NJABLDUL..2743.66% (many duplicates with
  SORBS-DUL) NJABLPROXIES1,085...14.49%
  NJABLRELAYS...1181.58%
  NJABLSOURCES..2653.54% (reliable, so far)
 
  SORBS-DUL...2,664...35.58%
  SORBS-HTTP7379.84% (proxies)
  SORBS-MISC.801.07% (proxies)
  SORBS-SOCKS...873...11.66% (proxies)
  SORBS-SMTP..50.07%
  SORBS-ZOMBIE...300.40%
 
  A) Do NOT use SORBS-SPAM.  As they point out on their web
 site, it has
 been
  infested with the mail servers of most major providers by
 the simple
  fact that virus-infected customer systems have been sending
 arbitrary
  emails, implicating the mail sever of the provider.  I
 tested it for
  two days and kept lowering the weight until I realized that
 it was not
  at all helpful
 in
  trying to distinguish spam from legitimate mail.
 
  B) I have been holding and/or deleting ANYTHING proxy for
 many weeks
  now and so far never had any customer complaints about
 lost emails.
 
  Best Regards
  Andy Schmidt

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[Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with

2003-12-01 Thread John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)
Scott, feature request. (Sigh, another one.)

Can you add something like this:

SUBJECT 0 STARTSWITHSPACE

I am seeing a good amount of spam where the subject line starts with a space
and then some character and then the subject.

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[Declude.JunkMail] MONKEYFORMMAIL, MONKEYPROXIES

2003-12-01 Thread andyb
Hi,

I noticed this test in my config file, but there are no longer in the
Declude default config files...

Are they still valid tests?

Thanks, Andy

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] MONKEYFORMMAIL, MONKEYPROXIES

2003-12-01 Thread R. Scott Perry

I noticed this test in my config file, but there are no longer in the
Declude default config files...
Are they still valid tests?
They are no longer around.  They were killed off by spammers.

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with

2003-12-01 Thread R. Scott Perry

Scott, feature request. (Sigh, another one.)

Can you add something like this:

SUBJECT 0 STARTSWITHSPACE

I am seeing a good amount of spam where the subject line starts with a space
and then some character and then the subject.
Ah, good idea -- I'll see if we can add that.

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with

2003-12-01 Thread Matthew Bramble
Scott,

Instead of adding it a command, how about you just create a substitution 
string for space, i.e. [space].  This way it could be used in this 
fashion, as well as before some words (as a delimiter in the sense that 
Bill earlier suggested).

SUBJECT  0  BEGINSWITH  [space]
BODY  0  CONTAINS  [space]ass
Matt



R. Scott Perry wrote:


Scott, feature request. (Sigh, another one.)

Can you add something like this:

SUBJECT 0 STARTSWITHSPACE

I am seeing a good amount of spam where the subject line starts with 
a space
and then some character and then the subject.


Ah, good idea -- I'll see if we can add that.

   -Scott

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[Declude.JunkMail] Per User

2003-12-01 Thread John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)
On the per user configurations, any problems if the user has a period in the
name?

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[Declude.JunkMail] Best way to forward E-mail from an AOL account

2003-12-01 Thread Matthew Bramble
I'm just looking for a recommendation from someone that has set this up 
since I have no experience with it.  I have a client that needs to 
forward two AOL E-mail addresses over to accounts on our server.  Does 
AOL offer this, or do you have to go through a third party?  If you have 
to go through a third party for forwarding, which one would you use?

Thanks,

Matt

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with

2003-12-01 Thread Matthew Bramble

This way, if it starts a trend, we can not filter on [space] anymore..
 

Yes, but right now we can't filter on a space :)  Scott might also get a 
little fancy and convert the special character combinations from MIME 
like =3D to ASCII equivalents before processing the filters.  He's 
already doing some of that by stripping out the comment blocks.

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hijack question

2003-12-01 Thread R. Scott Perry

If an IP is caught and held by HOLD2, but a sender who is listed by
ALLOWADDR sends a e-mail from the IP, will that message be held or passed?
ALLOWADDR and ALLOWIP override all other settings, so their mail should be 
allowed through.

Example, IP 10.10.10.1 is held. Joe using [EMAIL PROTECTED] sends a message to
someone on the Internet and he is at/behind IP address 10.10.10.1. In the
Hijack.cfg file is a line ALLOWADDR [EMAIL PROTECTED].
He should be allowed to send mail in this case.

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[Declude.JunkMail] SPAMDOMAINS

2003-12-01 Thread John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)
Does any one know if vianet.ca is a valid domain use of simpatico.ca mail
servers?

X-RBL-Warning: SPAMDOMAINS: Spamdomain 'sympatico.ca' found: Address of
[EMAIL PROTECTED] sent from invalid shimmer.vianet.ca.

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] sniffer

2003-12-01 Thread Kevin
Hi,

I highly recommend it. I've been using it for over a year now and it has 
caught a lot of spam.

I am considering Maps too. But it's $1500/yr. Anyone using them?

Kevin

At 01:36 PM 12/1/2003, you wrote:
Is sniffer worth the $300/year?

Thinking about trying it.

Thanks, andy

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] sniffer

2003-12-01 Thread Burzin Sumariwalla
Hi Andy,

I think Sniffer is available as a demo.  It's worth trying.-- 
http://www.sortmonster.com/MessageSniffer/Try-It.html --
and I think it has improved in recent months.

fwiw:  Sniffer catches a lot of stuff that is also caught by other (free) 
ip4r and RHSBL lists.  However, these last few months
have shown that maintaining these lists is time consuming and even well run 
and reliable lists tend to come and go.  A paid
subscription-- whatever you choose is going to help you weather the storm a 
bit better.

Burzin





At 03:36 PM 12/1/2003, you wrote:
Is sniffer worth the $300/year?

Thinking about trying it.

Thanks, andy

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] sniffer

2003-12-01 Thread DLAnalyzer Support
Absolutly worth it's cost... 

Darrell 

andyb writes: 

Is sniffer worth the $300/year? 

Thinking about trying it. 

Thanks, andy 

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Best way to forward E-mail from an AOL account

2003-12-01 Thread John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)
I Don't think AOL allows forwarding.

John Tolmachoff
Engineer/Consultant/Owner
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 I'm just looking for a recommendation from someone that has set this up
 since I have no experience with it.  I have a client that needs to
 forward two AOL E-mail addresses over to accounts on our server.  Does
 AOL offer this, or do you have to go through a third party?  If you have
 to go through a third party for forwarding, which one would you use?
 
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Finding reason for white list

2003-12-01 Thread R. Scott Perry

Any idea why I am getting this ??

12/01/2003 16:03:12  Invalid WHITELIST type: AUTH

I Just removed the # from the  #WHITELIST AUTH line
on the default Global config file..
I am running Imail 8.04
WHITELIST AUTH requires Declude JunkMail v1.76 or later.

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] sniffer

2003-12-01 Thread Andy Schmidt

I subscribed to MAPS for a while - but then found that it was not catching
anything that I didn't catch with public tests. But that was probably a year
ago that I compared it.  Results may be different now.

Best Regards
Andy Schmidt

HM Systems Software, Inc.
600 East Crescent Avenue, Suite 203
Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846

Phone:  +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business)
Fax:+1 201 934-9206

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Hi,

I highly recommend it. I've been using it for over a year now and it has 
caught a lot of spam.

I am considering Maps too. But it's $1500/yr. Anyone using them?

Kevin

At 01:36 PM 12/1/2003, you wrote:
Is sniffer worth the $300/year?

Thinking about trying it.

Thanks, andy

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Finding reason for white list

2003-12-01 Thread Keith Purtell
I've double-checked the logs for something like that; no luck. I'm mystified.

Keith Purtell, Web/Network Administrator
VantageMed Operations (Kansas City)

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 Recently we got much spam from one source. When I examined
 the headers to
 find out why, all
 indicated the items had been white listed. I have three
 methods of white
 listing: from (full address
 or domain), to (recipients who want everything) and anywhere
 (about 20
 special text strings). So I
 began checking each but couldn't find a match between the
 spam samples and
 my white lists. I
 suspected it was one of the white list entries in my global.cfg file
 because the weight was always
 zero, but that theory didn't bear fruit either. If this has
 been asked
 before I don't remember
 seeing it: How can I find out exactly what Declude used to
 white list an
 email?

 There should be a log file entry that has the text that was used to
 whitelist the E-mail (such as E-mail whitelisted -
 automatically passing
 all spam tests [EMAIL PROTECTED], where [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 was the text
 used to whitelist the E-mail).

 -Scott


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Finding reason for white list

2003-12-01 Thread R. Scott Perry

I've double-checked the logs for something like that; no luck. I'm mystified.
What is the exact message in the E-mail headers saying that it was whitelisted?

Are you using WHITELIST AUTH or AUTOWHITELIST?
-Scott
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with

2003-12-01 Thread Bill Landry
It's not really a reserved word since the suggestion was space enclosed in
square brackets - how often have you seen that used in a sentence:  wow, I
really [space] out sometimes...  ;-)

Bill
- Original Message - 
From: John Tolmachoff (Lists) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 1:27 PM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with


 I have to agree with Kami. I would rather not define reserved words.

 John Tolmachoff
 Engineer/Consultant/Owner
 eServices For You


  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kami Razvan
  Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 12:36 PM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with
 
  Matt..
 
  This is scary .. Now you are suggesting we start defining reserve
words..
 
  This way, if it starts a trend, we can not filter on [space] anymore..
 
  Just a thought.
 
  Kami
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Bramble
  Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 3:23 PM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with
 
  Scott,
 
  Instead of adding it a command, how about you just create a substitution
  string for space, i.e. [space].  This way it could be used in this
  fashion,
  as well as before some words (as a delimiter in the sense that Bill
  earlier
  suggested).
 
  SUBJECT  0  BEGINSWITH  [space]
  BODY  0  CONTAINS  [space]ass
 
  Matt
 
 
 
  R. Scott Perry wrote:
 
  
   Scott, feature request. (Sigh, another one.)
  
   Can you add something like this:
  
   SUBJECT 0 STARTSWITHSPACE
  
   I am seeing a good amount of spam where the subject line starts with
   a space and then some character and then the subject.
  
  
   Ah, good idea -- I'll see if we can add that.
  
  -Scott
  
 
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] sniffer

2003-12-01 Thread Bill Landry
Absolutely!  It has been a very nice addition to our spam arsenal.

Bill
- Original Message - 
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 1:36 PM
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 Is sniffer worth the $300/year?

 Thinking about trying it.

 Thanks, andy

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with

2003-12-01 Thread John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)
That's just it, I am seeing the use of [] in spam subject lines.

John Tolmachoff
Engineer/Consultant/Owner
eServices For You


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Landry
 Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 2:32 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with
 
 It's not really a reserved word since the suggestion was space enclosed
 in
 square brackets - how often have you seen that used in a sentence:  wow, I
 really [space] out sometimes...  ;-)
 
 Bill
 - Original Message -
 From: John Tolmachoff (Lists) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 1:27 PM
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with
 
 
  I have to agree with Kami. I would rather not define reserved words.
 
  John Tolmachoff
  Engineer/Consultant/Owner
  eServices For You
 
 
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kami Razvan
   Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 12:36 PM
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with
  
   Matt..
  
   This is scary .. Now you are suggesting we start defining reserve
 words..
  
   This way, if it starts a trend, we can not filter on [space] anymore..
  
   Just a thought.
  
   Kami
  
  
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew
 Bramble
   Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 3:23 PM
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with
  
   Scott,
  
   Instead of adding it a command, how about you just create a
 substitution
   string for space, i.e. [space].  This way it could be used in this
   fashion,
   as well as before some words (as a delimiter in the sense that Bill
   earlier
   suggested).
  
   SUBJECT  0  BEGINSWITH  [space]
   BODY  0  CONTAINS  [space]ass
  
   Matt
  
  
  
   R. Scott Perry wrote:
  
   
Scott, feature request. (Sigh, another one.)
   
Can you add something like this:
   
SUBJECT 0 STARTSWITHSPACE
   
I am seeing a good amount of spam where the subject line starts
 with
a space and then some character and then the subject.
   
   
Ah, good idea -- I'll see if we can add that.
   
   -Scott
   
  
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] sniffer

2003-12-01 Thread Sheldon Koehler
 I am considering Maps too. But it's $1500/yr. Anyone using them?

I have problems at $1500/yr. If it was like $500 I would probably be using
it. It was a good list when it was free and I am sure it is still a good
list. I just cannot justify the expense for it.

For now Sniffer is the only paid add on to Declude (well F-Prot for the anti
virus...).

Sheldon


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with

2003-12-01 Thread Kami Razvan
[Bill] [stranger] [things] [have] [happened] [in] [the] [past].

[space] [may] [not] [be] [used] [but] [starting] [reserve] [words] [can]
[start] [a] [precedent] [that] [could] [make] [filtering] [and] [debugging]
[a] [nightmare].

[Regards,] [:)]
[Kami]


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Landry
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 5:32 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with

It's not really a reserved word since the suggestion was space enclosed in
square brackets - how often have you seen that used in a sentence:  wow, I
really [space] out sometimes...  ;-)

Bill
- Original Message -
From: John Tolmachoff (Lists) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 1:27 PM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with


 I have to agree with Kami. I would rather not define reserved words.

 John Tolmachoff
 Engineer/Consultant/Owner
 eServices For You


  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kami Razvan
  Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 12:36 PM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with
 
  Matt..
 
  This is scary .. Now you are suggesting we start defining reserve
words..
 
  This way, if it starts a trend, we can not filter on [space] anymore..
 
  Just a thought.
 
  Kami
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Bramble
  Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 3:23 PM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with
 
  Scott,
 
  Instead of adding it a command, how about you just create a substitution
  string for space, i.e. [space].  This way it could be used in this
  fashion,
  as well as before some words (as a delimiter in the sense that Bill
  earlier
  suggested).
 
  SUBJECT  0  BEGINSWITH  [space]
  BODY  0  CONTAINS  [space]ass
 
  Matt
 
 
 
  R. Scott Perry wrote:
 
  
   Scott, feature request. (Sigh, another one.)
  
   Can you add something like this:
  
   SUBJECT 0 STARTSWITHSPACE
  
   I am seeing a good amount of spam where the subject line starts with
   a space and then some character and then the subject.
  
  
   Ah, good idea -- I'll see if we can add that.
  
  -Scott
  
 
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[Declude.JunkMail] HOLD and WARN

2003-12-01 Thread andyb
Hi,

I'm using SPAMCOP as part of the weighting system and as a HOLD action by
itself.

Because of this, In spamreview it shows a total WEIGHT but SPAMCOP isn't
listed, though I know it added to the WEIGHT because of the spamlog.

I take it that's just how it is?  IS there a way to have it show in
SPAMREVIEW as a failed test, but still keep the HOLD action?  I believe if I
change it to WARN, it will show in Spam Review...

Thanks, Andy

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] sniffer

2003-12-01 Thread andyb
I've got it in and running...seems to be helping already.

- Original Message -
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] sniffer


 Absolutely!  It has been a very nice addition to our spam arsenal.

 Bill
 - Original Message -
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 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 1:36 PM
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  Is sniffer worth the $300/year?
 
  Thinking about trying it.
 
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[Declude.JunkMail] Header question

2003-12-01 Thread John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)
Any one else seeing this in the headers, good or bad?

X-Mailer: Atriks Professional Email Deployment Service

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Finding reason for white list

2003-12-01 Thread Dave Marchette
I could be on the wrong track here but if you use the 'Whitelist To' function on your 
domain, then if a spammer sends an email to the user that is whitelist to'd, all other 
users that appear on the TO address line of that email will also receive the 
'Whitelist To' behavior. 

Example:  UserB is upset because he feels your anti-spam measures are restrictive and 
asks you to turn them off for just him.  You do this using 'Whitelist To [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]' in global.cfg.  A spammer then sends an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Normally, for example's sake, this spam would have 
been caught with a high weight.   
However, because of the 'Whitelist To', all three users(a, b, and c) will get the 
spam, and in the headers, you will see only 
'Whitelisted(0)'

Just a thought.  






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Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Finding reason for white list


I've double-checked the logs for something like that; no luck. I'm mystified.

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VantageMed Operations (Kansas City)

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 Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 2:07 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Finding reason for white list



 Recently we got much spam from one source. When I examined
 the headers to
 find out why, all
 indicated the items had been white listed. I have three
 methods of white
 listing: from (full address
 or domain), to (recipients who want everything) and anywhere
 (about 20
 special text strings). So I
 began checking each but couldn't find a match between the
 spam samples and
 my white lists. I
 suspected it was one of the white list entries in my global.cfg file
 because the weight was always
 zero, but that theory didn't bear fruit either. If this has
 been asked
 before I don't remember
 seeing it: How can I find out exactly what Declude used to
 white list an
 email?

 There should be a log file entry that has the text that was used to
 whitelist the E-mail (such as E-mail whitelisted -
 automatically passing
 all spam tests [EMAIL PROTECTED], where [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 was the text
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with

2003-12-01 Thread Bill Landry
So how would that hurt anything if all it provides is a way to delimit a
test and tell Declude that this [space] is a space?

Bill
- Original Message - 
From: John Tolmachoff (Lists) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 2:54 PM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with


That's just it, I am seeing the use of [] in spam subject lines.

John Tolmachoff
Engineer/Consultant/Owner
eServices For You


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Landry
 Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 2:32 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with

 It's not really a reserved word since the suggestion was space enclosed
 in
 square brackets - how often have you seen that used in a sentence:  wow, I
 really [space] out sometimes...  ;-)

 Bill
 - Original Message -
 From: John Tolmachoff (Lists) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 1:27 PM
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with


  I have to agree with Kami. I would rather not define reserved words.
 
  John Tolmachoff
  Engineer/Consultant/Owner
  eServices For You
 
 
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kami Razvan
   Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 12:36 PM
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with
  
   Matt..
  
   This is scary .. Now you are suggesting we start defining reserve
 words..
  
   This way, if it starts a trend, we can not filter on [space] anymore..
  
   Just a thought.
  
   Kami
  
  
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew
 Bramble
   Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 3:23 PM
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with
  
   Scott,
  
   Instead of adding it a command, how about you just create a
 substitution
   string for space, i.e. [space].  This way it could be used in this
   fashion,
   as well as before some words (as a delimiter in the sense that Bill
   earlier
   suggested).
  
   SUBJECT  0  BEGINSWITH  [space]
   BODY  0  CONTAINS  [space]ass
  
   Matt
  
  
  
   R. Scott Perry wrote:
  
   
Scott, feature request. (Sigh, another one.)
   
Can you add something like this:
   
SUBJECT 0 STARTSWITHSPACE
   
I am seeing a good amount of spam where the subject line starts
 with
a space and then some character and then the subject.
   
   
Ah, good idea -- I'll see if we can add that.
   
   -Scott
   
  
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with

2003-12-01 Thread Bill Landry
Oh, yes, now it get it...  [eye rolling out of head onto floor]  ;-)

Bill
- Original Message - 
From: Kami Razvan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 2:53 PM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with


 [Bill] [stranger] [things] [have] [happened] [in] [the] [past].

 [space] [may] [not] [be] [used] [but] [starting] [reserve] [words] [can]
 [start] [a] [precedent] [that] [could] [make] [filtering] [and]
[debugging]
 [a] [nightmare].

 [Regards,] [:)]
 [Kami]


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 Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 5:32 PM
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 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with

 It's not really a reserved word since the suggestion was space enclosed
in
 square brackets - how often have you seen that used in a sentence:  wow, I
 really [space] out sometimes...  ;-)

 Bill
 - Original Message -
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 Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 1:27 PM
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with


  I have to agree with Kami. I would rather not define reserved words.
 
  John Tolmachoff
  Engineer/Consultant/Owner
  eServices For You
 
 
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kami Razvan
   Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 12:36 PM
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with
  
   Matt..
  
   This is scary .. Now you are suggesting we start defining reserve
 words..
  
   This way, if it starts a trend, we can not filter on [space] anymore..
  
   Just a thought.
  
   Kami
  
  
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew
Bramble
   Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 3:23 PM
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with
  
   Scott,
  
   Instead of adding it a command, how about you just create a
substitution
   string for space, i.e. [space].  This way it could be used in this
   fashion,
   as well as before some words (as a delimiter in the sense that Bill
   earlier
   suggested).
  
   SUBJECT  0  BEGINSWITH  [space]
   BODY  0  CONTAINS  [space]ass
  
   Matt
  
  
  
   R. Scott Perry wrote:
  
   
Scott, feature request. (Sigh, another one.)
   
Can you add something like this:
   
SUBJECT 0 STARTSWITHSPACE
   
I am seeing a good amount of spam where the subject line starts
with
a space and then some character and then the subject.
   
   
Ah, good idea -- I'll see if we can add that.
   
   -Scott
   
  
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Finding reason for white list

2003-12-01 Thread Keith Purtell
True. However, in the case of the samples I'm looking at, each was addressed to only 
one user.

Keith Purtell, Web/Network Administrator
VantageMed Operations (Kansas City)

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 Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 5:07 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Finding reason for white list
 
 
 I could be on the wrong track here but if you use the 
 'Whitelist To' function on your domain, then if a spammer 
 sends an email to the user that is whitelist to'd, all other 
 users that appear on the TO address line of that email will 
 also receive the 'Whitelist To' behavior. 
 
 Example:  UserB is upset because he feels your anti-spam 
 measures are restrictive and asks you to turn them off for 
 just him.  You do this using 'Whitelist To [EMAIL PROTECTED]' 
 in global.cfg.  A spammer then sends an email to 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
 Normally, for example's sake, this spam would have been 
 caught with a high weight.   
 However, because of the 'Whitelist To', all three users(a, b, 
 and c) will get the spam, and in the headers, you will see only 
 'Whitelisted(0)'
 
 Just a thought.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Keith Purtell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 2:21 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Finding reason for white list
 
 
 I've double-checked the logs for something like that; no 
 luck. I'm mystified.
 
 Keith Purtell, Web/Network Administrator
 VantageMed Operations (Kansas City)
 
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 contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of 
 the original message.
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of R. 
 Scott Perry
  Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 2:07 PM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Finding reason for white list
 
 
 
  Recently we got much spam from one source. When I examined
  the headers to
  find out why, all
  indicated the items had been white listed. I have three
  methods of white
  listing: from (full address
  or domain), to (recipients who want everything) and anywhere
  (about 20
  special text strings). So I
  began checking each but couldn't find a match between the
  spam samples and
  my white lists. I
  suspected it was one of the white list entries in my 
 global.cfg file
  because the weight was always
  zero, but that theory didn't bear fruit either. If this has
  been asked
  before I don't remember
  seeing it: How can I find out exactly what Declude used to
  white list an
  email?
 
  There should be a log file entry that has the text that was used to
  whitelist the E-mail (such as E-mail whitelisted -
  automatically passing
  all spam tests [EMAIL PROTECTED], where [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  was the text
  used to whitelist the E-mail).
 
  -Scott
 
attachment: winmail.dat

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] HOLD and WARN

2003-12-01 Thread John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)
Create 2 SPAMCOP tests, the first one action WARN and the second action
HOLD.

John Tolmachoff
Engineer/Consultant/Owner
eServices For You


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 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of andyb
 Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 3:06 PM
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 Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] HOLD and WARN
 
 Hi,
 
 I'm using SPAMCOP as part of the weighting system and as a HOLD action by
 itself.
 
 Because of this, In spamreview it shows a total WEIGHT but SPAMCOP isn't
 listed, though I know it added to the WEIGHT because of the spamlog.
 
 I take it that's just how it is?  IS there a way to have it show in
 SPAMREVIEW as a failed test, but still keep the HOLD action?  I believe if
 I
 change it to WARN, it will show in Spam Review...
 
 Thanks, Andy
 
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Finding reason for white list

2003-12-01 Thread R. Scott Perry

 What is the exact message in the E-mail headers saying that
 it was whitelisted?
X-Tests-Failed: Whitelisted


 Are you using WHITELIST AUTH or AUTOWHITELIST?
No and yes. In the case of the particular user whose incoming mail I 
extracted the spam from, none
of the spammer addresses where in her address book. I also checked her 
AutoWhite list.
This looks like a case for the DEBUG mode.

To use the debug mode, you can change the LOGLEVEL LOW line in 
\IMail\Declude\global.cfg to LOGLEVEL DEBUG.  Then, after this problem 
occurs again, you can then switch back to LOGLEVEL LOW (the debug mode 
adds huge amounts of information to the log file).  You can then E-mail me 
the \IMail\spool\dec.log file (as an attachment, NOT sent from web 
messaging), and I can take a look at it to see what is happening.

   -Scott
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Finding reason for white list

2003-12-01 Thread Dave Marchette
I wonder how that feature reacts with a BCC?



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Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 3:24 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Finding reason for white list


True. However, in the case of the samples I'm looking at, each was addressed to only 
one user.

Keith Purtell, Web/Network Administrator
VantageMed Operations (Kansas City)

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 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dave Marchette
 Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 5:07 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Finding reason for white list
 
 
 I could be on the wrong track here but if you use the 
 'Whitelist To' function on your domain, then if a spammer 
 sends an email to the user that is whitelist to'd, all other 
 users that appear on the TO address line of that email will 
 also receive the 'Whitelist To' behavior. 
 
 Example:  UserB is upset because he feels your anti-spam 
 measures are restrictive and asks you to turn them off for 
 just him.  You do this using 'Whitelist To [EMAIL PROTECTED]' 
 in global.cfg.  A spammer then sends an email to 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
 Normally, for example's sake, this spam would have been 
 caught with a high weight.   
 However, because of the 'Whitelist To', all three users(a, b, 
 and c) will get the spam, and in the headers, you will see only 
 'Whitelisted(0)'
 
 Just a thought.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Keith Purtell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 2:21 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Finding reason for white list
 
 
 I've double-checked the logs for something like that; no 
 luck. I'm mystified.
 
 Keith Purtell, Web/Network Administrator
 VantageMed Operations (Kansas City)
 
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 attachments, is for the sole use of the
 intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and 
 privileged information. Any unauthorized
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 are not the intended recipient, please
 contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of 
 the original message.
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of R. 
 Scott Perry
  Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 2:07 PM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Finding reason for white list
 
 
 
  Recently we got much spam from one source. When I examined
  the headers to
  find out why, all
  indicated the items had been white listed. I have three
  methods of white
  listing: from (full address
  or domain), to (recipients who want everything) and anywhere
  (about 20
  special text strings). So I
  began checking each but couldn't find a match between the
  spam samples and
  my white lists. I
  suspected it was one of the white list entries in my 
 global.cfg file
  because the weight was always
  zero, but that theory didn't bear fruit either. If this has
  been asked
  before I don't remember
  seeing it: How can I find out exactly what Declude used to
  white list an
  email?
 
  There should be a log file entry that has the text that was used to
  whitelist the E-mail (such as E-mail whitelisted -
  automatically passing
  all spam tests [EMAIL PROTECTED], where [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  was the text
  used to whitelist the E-mail).
 
  -Scott
 
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Refusing message based on nul sender

2003-12-01 Thread John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)
It is a little harsh but allowable.

John Tolmachoff
Engineer/Consultant/Owner
eServices For You


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 Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 5:59 AM
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 Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Refusing message based on nul sender
 
 how paranoid should you be to refuse message based on this only criteria ?
 
 20031127 154038 127.0.0.1   SMTP (07980D3F) 501 5.7.1 MX of sender
 (mail.cefib.com.) does not accept  address as required by RFC 821, 1123,
 2505, and 2821
 20031127 154038 127.0.0.1   SMTP (07980D3F) ERR undeliverable 501
 5.7.1
 MX of sender (mail.cefib.com.) does not accept  address as required by
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 821, 1123, 2505, and 2821
 
 
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with

2003-12-01 Thread Bill Landry
Oh, and the other thing to remember is, this is not something that Declude
would be searching for anywhere in the message, this is only something that
is used to define a delimiter to Declude.  Just like the delimiter you can
define in SpamChk:

SpaceChar=#

Which allows you to define check-words like:

anal#=5
#ass=5
#cock#=3
#sex#=2

By using the # as a delimiter, SpamChk does trigger on any of these words
with the # in them, only the word with a space before or after the word as
defined the placement of the # sign in the SpamChk.ini file, which tell
SpamChk how to trigger a match.  This is the same type of delimiter
capability being requested for Declude.

Hope this helps to clarify...

Bill
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 2:54 PM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with


That's just it, I am seeing the use of [] in spam subject lines.

John Tolmachoff
Engineer/Consultant/Owner
eServices For You


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 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Landry
 Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 2:32 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with

 It's not really a reserved word since the suggestion was space enclosed
 in
 square brackets - how often have you seen that used in a sentence:  wow, I
 really [space] out sometimes...  ;-)

 Bill
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 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 1:27 PM
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with


  I have to agree with Kami. I would rather not define reserved words.
 
  John Tolmachoff
  Engineer/Consultant/Owner
  eServices For You
 
 
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kami Razvan
   Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 12:36 PM
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with
  
   Matt..
  
   This is scary .. Now you are suggesting we start defining reserve
 words..
  
   This way, if it starts a trend, we can not filter on [space] anymore..
  
   Just a thought.
  
   Kami
  
  
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew
 Bramble
   Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 3:23 PM
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with
  
   Scott,
  
   Instead of adding it a command, how about you just create a
 substitution
   string for space, i.e. [space].  This way it could be used in this
   fashion,
   as well as before some words (as a delimiter in the sense that Bill
   earlier
   suggested).
  
   SUBJECT  0  BEGINSWITH  [space]
   BODY  0  CONTAINS  [space]ass
  
   Matt
  
  
  
   R. Scott Perry wrote:
  
   
Scott, feature request. (Sigh, another one.)
   
Can you add something like this:
   
SUBJECT 0 STARTSWITHSPACE
   
I am seeing a good amount of spam where the subject line starts
 with
a space and then some character and then the subject.
   
   
Ah, good idea -- I'll see if we can add that.
   
   -Scott
   
  
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] sniffer

2003-12-01 Thread Dave Doherty
Hi Andy-

Excellent service, reasonably priced, and it is sometimes the only thing
that catches them.

Dave Doherty
Skywaves, Inc.



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 Is sniffer worth the $300/year?

 Thinking about trying it.

 Thanks, andy

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[Declude.JunkMail] What is this about ??

2003-12-01 Thread David Barrett
I've gotten serveral of these the past few minutes.
Below are the full headers ..I'm assuming they are trying to relay ???
There was no subject nor message as well as a rcpt to ...

Also it seems that declude is claiming that 216.204.154.7 has no MX.
DnsStuff.com reports:

How I am searching:
Asking e.root-servers.net for 7.154.204.216.in-addr.arpa PTR record:
   e.root-servers.net says to go to indigo.arin.net. (zone:
216.in-addr.arpa.)
Asking indigo.arin.net. for 7.154.204.216.in-addr.arpa PTR record:
   indigo.arin.net says to go to ns2.net-resource.com. (zone:
204.216.in-addr.arpa.)
Asking ns2.net-resource.com. for 7.154.204.216.in-addr.arpa PTR record:
Reports mx1.maineconnect.net.

Answer:
216.204.154.7 PTR record: mx1.maineconnect.net. [TTL 3600s]
[A=216.204.154.7]

Now for the headers:

Received: from maineconnect.net [216.204.154.7] by mail.sslsales.com with
ESMTP
  (SMTPD32-7.14) id A37517B5029E; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 18:49:09 -0500
Received: from 216.204.154.7 [24.241.184.85] by maineconnect.net
  (SMTPD32-8.01) id A524B75700F8; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 18:56:20 -0500
Received: from 156.201.162.174
X-RBL-Warning: Declude Labeled Spam-SPAMCOP
X-RBL-Warning: BADHEADERS: This E-mail was sent from a broken mail client
[8c20].
X-RBL-Warning: HELOBOGUS: Domain 216.204.154.7 has no MX or A records.
X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 24.241.184.85
with no reverse DNS entry.
X-RBL-Warning: Declude Labeled Spam-WEIGHT 15
X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [24.241.184.85]
X-Declude-Spoolname: Dd524b75700f8bb13.SMD
X-Note: This E-mail was scanned for Spam by Secure Services Inc
Organization: Secure Sevices Inc.
X-UIDL: 327709429


Thanks !!

Dave


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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Header question

2003-12-01 Thread David Barrett
http://atriks.com/email_deployment.htm

Seen quite a few of them. Yet to figure the company out though.
Seems like a great place for spammers to hang out ...

Dave

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 Any one else seeing this in the headers, good or bad?

 X-Mailer: Atriks Professional Email Deployment Service

 John Tolmachoff
 Engineer/Consultant/Owner
 eServices For You



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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Best way to forward E-mail from an AOL account

2003-12-01 Thread Dave Doherty

Hi, Matt-

I just checked with the horse's, er, mouth...

AOL says they do not allow auto forwarding at all. Your customer must log on
to her AOL account and forward the messages manually.

Dave Doherty
Skywaves, Inc.


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Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Best way to forward E-mail from an AOL account


 I'm just looking for a recommendation from someone that has set this up
 since I have no experience with it.  I have a client that needs to
 forward two AOL E-mail addresses over to accounts on our server.  Does
 AOL offer this, or do you have to go through a third party?  If you have
 to go through a third party for forwarding, which one would you use?

 Thanks,

 Matt

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Header question

2003-12-01 Thread Dave Doherty
Sounds to me like a good phrase to base a rule on.


I read the explanation there. Fascinating reading, folks!

Is there a test we can use to detect Atriks in the headers, or do we have
to create an IMail rule?

Dave Doherty
Skywaves, Inc.

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Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Header question


 http://atriks.com/email_deployment.htm

 Seen quite a few of them. Yet to figure the company out though.
 Seems like a great place for spammers to hang out ...

 Dave

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  Any one else seeing this in the headers, good or bad?
 
  X-Mailer: Atriks Professional Email Deployment Service
 
  John Tolmachoff
  Engineer/Consultant/Owner
  eServices For You
 
 
 
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Header question

2003-12-01 Thread John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)
The line I posted is what was seen in the headers, and would therefore be a
good line to use in a filter file.

John Tolmachoff
Engineer/Consultant/Owner
eServices For You

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 Sounds to me like a good phrase to base a rule on.
 
 
 I read the explanation there. Fascinating reading, folks!
 
 Is there a test we can use to detect Atriks in the headers, or do we
 have
 to create an IMail rule?
 
 Dave Doherty
 Skywaves, Inc.
 
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 Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 9:25 PM
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Header question
 
 
  http://atriks.com/email_deployment.htm
 
  Seen quite a few of them. Yet to figure the company out though.
  Seems like a great place for spammers to hang out ...
 
  Dave
 
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   Any one else seeing this in the headers, good or bad?
  
   X-Mailer: Atriks Professional Email Deployment Service
  
   John Tolmachoff
   Engineer/Consultant/Owner
   eServices For You
  
  
  
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