[DNG] Question

[o1bigtenor via Dng]

Greetings

A friend and mentor in all things Linux was a proponent of Devuan.
Sadly he died some months ago so I now have to ask those I don't know
possibly stupid questions.

I have run Debian systems for some 15 to 18 years (can't remember when
I switched from Fedora Core but a long time ago). Have found that
using testing for my personal system(s) and stable for any server type
of product worked quite well. Have found that devuan 3.0 or Beowulf is
the present stable product. Is there a 'testing' equivalent Devuan
product?

TIA
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Re: [DNG] the email universe

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Greetings

Found the list of MUA useful.

The last time I went looking though - - - it seemed to me anyway that
much more than just a MUA is needed for a complete system.

Would someone be able to outline for the unknowing what all actually
is required? (I am very much wanting to get away from outside product
that is selling me down the road - ie like the alphabet (soup)
company!).

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Re: [DNG] XFCE in Beowulf confuses left and right

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On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 3:36 PM terryc  wrote:
>
> On Tue, 3 Nov 2020 11:56:33 +0100
> kernel panic!  wrote:
>
> > Update!
> >
> > I "dig" through my Backup(s) - Bingo! I found a File *dualmonitor.sh*
> >
> > I put it back to/home/$USER/.screenlayout/dualmonitor.sh
> >
> > Logout from XFCE, login back nothing happens
> >
> > Folder.screenlayout =drwxr-xr-x
> > Filedualmonitor.sh = -rwx--
> >
> > maybe it is someone of the permissions?
> >
> > desperate
> > Michael
> >
> >
> > Am 31.10.20 um 16:14 schrieb Michael K.:
> > > Heyho,
> > >
> > > I have setup a Desktop with Beowulf and XFCE. The install was done
> > > with only one Monitor (Acer 24" HDMI)
> > >
> > > I put on a other Monitor (Acer 20" VGA) and yes i get "Figure 3.
> > > Configure new displays dialog." (*) In this display dialog i see the
> > > first "confuses of left and right" The 20" stands *left* from
> > > 24" (for medical reasons i need it) I drag and drop the Icons to te
> > > right places, how my monitors are positioned. I set 24" as default.
> > > And XFCE use the 20" as default?! 24" shows only the default XFCE
> > > Background. (***)
> > >
> > > "if i want to reach the monitor left with the mouse i have to move
> > > the mouse to the right."
> > >
> > > Although, the 24" is the *default* Monitor XFCE give me the Menu and
> > > other Desktop Items on the small one 20" ?? E.g. open Thunar 
> > >
> > > I *disable* the Small on 20", and the Monitor Icon for the 20" goes
> > > automatically to the right side. See screenshot (**)
> > >
> > > I make this settings as a "normal user" non root privileges. (***)
> > >
> > > what can I do to make this program do what I want?
> > >
> > > Thank you in advance and have a nice weekend
> > >
> > > Michael
>
> Do you have arandr loaded?
> This isn't a soluton, but 'works' for me, YMMV.
> In  xfce -. right click -> Applications -> Settings -> Display
> Identify the displays.
> Set which one you want to be the primary.
> Make sure it the other is not set as primary.
> Drag each screen around to the L/R, or up/down relation ship you want.
> Note, depending on the hardware you have, you can also set resolution
> and refresh rates.
>
> What doesn't work for me is the every morning, I then have a pop up
> that asks e to chose between mirror or extend right, then I have to
> close two popups.
>
> What is in your dual-monitor.sh?
>
My system runs about 80 to 90 days before I need to reboot.
Am running 4 monitors.
I use xrandr to set up my monitors.
Took a while to figure out. Now fairly easy.
Two monitors would be real easy - - its once you add more
than one graphics card that things get a bit more interesting.

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Re: [DNG] Jessie to Ascii upgrade

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On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 7:29 PM Gastón via Dng  wrote:
>
> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 02:36:36PM -0700, Fred wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I want to upgrade from Debian Jessie to Devuan.  Apparently all I need to do
> > is change the sources list and do a dist-upgrade.
> >
> > Is this likely to go smoothly?  If there are any problems I would probably
> > not have Internet to ask for help.
> >
> > How does the upgrade get rid of systemd and everything associated with it?
> > Or how does one do that?
>
> Migrate from Debian Jessie to Beowulf guide:
> https://git.devuan.org/devuan/documentation/src/branch/master/dev1fanboy/en/jessie-to-beowulf.md
>
>
Some question(s) on that.
It would seem that gnome is important to Beowulf - - -yes?
I have been running light weight desktops like LXMT (I think it was)
and now LXQT
after I found the KDE was just too weighty.
So I'll start with that one question - - - - does Beowulf mean that I
need to run Gnome?

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Re: [DNG] Jessie to Ascii upgrade

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On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 9:20 PM Patrick Bartek  wrote:
>
> On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 20:13:15 -0600
> o1bigtenor via Dng  wrote:
>
> > On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 7:29 PM Gastón via Dng 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 02:36:36PM -0700, Fred wrote:
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > I want to upgrade from Debian Jessie to Devuan.  Apparently all I
> > > > need to do is change the sources list and do a dist-upgrade.
> > > >
> > > > Is this likely to go smoothly?  If there are any problems I would
> > > > probably not have Internet to ask for help.
> > > >
> > > > How does the upgrade get rid of systemd and everything associated
> > > > with it? Or how does one do that?
> > >
> > > Migrate from Debian Jessie to Beowulf guide:
> > > https://git.devuan.org/devuan/documentation/src/branch/master/dev1fanboy/en/jessie-to-beowulf.md
> > >
> > >
> > Some question(s) on that.
> > It would seem that gnome is important to Beowulf - - -yes?
> > I have been running light weight desktops like LXMT (I think it was)
> > and now LXQT
> > after I found the KDE was just too weighty.
> > So I'll start with that one question - - - - does Beowulf mean that I
> > need to run Gnome?
>
> No.  I'm running a custom installed Beowulf (started with a basic
> terminal system) with just a window manager (Openbox) and a single
> panel with menu (LXPanel).  Works just fine. Lightweight, too.
>

Thanks to both you and Monsieur Gaston!

I can't remember when I gave up on KDE and I have never been able
to fit Gnome - - - - after I found LXDE - - - well I've used parts of likely
both KDE and Gnome but am uninterested in the whole enchilada -
- - - they're just tooo big. There were some hiccups
transitioning from LXDE to LXQT but that's where I've been for quite
some time.

Appreciate the assistance!

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Re: [DNG] snapd in Devuan? Dependency on systemd...

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On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 6:09 PM Bernard Rosset via Dng
 wrote:
>
> Certbot has removed support of certbot-auto for Debian-based systems
> (cf.
> https://github.com/certbot/certbot/blob/adacc4ab6dc63b024b17f0ec5adeb1adc9f93300/certbot-auto#L802).
>
> Official instructions for Debian
> (https://certbot.eff.org/lets-encrypt/debianbuster-other) tell to use
> the snapd package (https://packages.debian.org/buster/snapd)... which
> depends on systemd and has not been rebuilt separately for Devuan yet.
>
> Is there any plan to do so?
> I know making the list of repackaged packages grow is troublesome for
> maintenance future-wise...
>

Greetings

I would suggest that you stay as far as you can form snapd!
I spent about 8 months working on/with it and in the end was totally
frustrated.
After you install snapd - - - - -well canonical will upgrade anything AND
everything on its schedule. You CANNOT change that! The longest file in
the forum is individuals asking for an off switch for updates. You can push it
to about 60 days with some serious tap dancing.
I tried ALL the options giving to stop the triggered updates - - - my machine
responded by shutting down. So I didn't get the updates but the machine
would shut itself off when it was time for upgrades.
Then I tried to remove the shebang! I tried using $rm -r and still had 'crap'
hanging around. Got real frustrated with that. Left the mess for about a
year and then when I tried to restart the machine I couldn't get a complete
reboot (even using secure boot for repair). So I was forced to replace the
complete system - - - - a right royal pita.

The idea is good (lxd) but snapd - - - - that's toxic!

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Re: [DNG] double negative

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On Fri, Dec 25, 2020 at 2:22 AM aitor  wrote:
>
> On 25/12/20 9:18, Rick Moen wrote:
>
> Just to remind, if you forgot it.
>
> There's one known case where double positive means negative: C++
>
>"Yeah, yeah."
>
> (The gag may not travel well, so:  At least in some USA regions,
> the phrase "Yeah, yeah" is something of a dismissive phrase with
> meaning at least bordering on denial.)
>
> i²=-1
>
rotflmho
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Re: [DNG] vdev (was: Re: if2mac init.d service for persistent network interface names)

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On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 4:34 PM Steve Litt  wrote:
>
> On Wed, 30 Dec 2020 09:51:33 -1000
> Joel Roth via Dng  wrote:
snip
> One question: How does your above statement hold up when Wayland
> becomes the law of the land?
>

Greetings

From what little I"ve been able to discern about Wayland I really hope that
it doesn't become the law of the land.
(rant off)
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Re: [DNG] vdev (was: Re: if2mac init.d service for persistent network interface names)

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On Thu, Dec 31, 2020 at 8:18 AM o1bigtenor  wrote:
>
> On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 4:34 PM Steve Litt  wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 30 Dec 2020 09:51:33 -1000
> > Joel Roth via Dng  wrote:
> snip
> > One question: How does your above statement hold up when Wayland
> > becomes the law of the land?
> >
>
> Greetings
>
> From what little I"ve been able to discern about Wayland I really hope that
> it doesn't become the law of the land.
> ( I will admit that I"m downright weird - - - - I have 2 graphics cards and
> presently 4 monitors with the 5th sitting waiting for time to install.
> One of my cards is old enough so that I run nouveau instead of any
> proprietary option (the card is EOLed!). I first set up this system in
> the beginning of 2011 and really struggled to find useful information
> to run this multi-monitor setup. There is a tiny bit of information that
> is available since the initial setup but very little which tells me that
> running multi-gpu and multi-monitor is highly unusual in the linux
> community. I just finished yesterday a project where I actually was
> needing to use all 4 monitors (all the screen real estate) and I still found
> myself wishing for more. For setup after any boot or reboot I use
> xrandr using notes from what I was able to find (xrandr is very terribly
> exampled and the notes are adequate but really do need a lot of
> experimenting - - - - which is not comfortable for most!!) better
> develop for myself.
>
> Spent a little time just now doing some searching and it seems that
> multi-gpu and serious multi-monitor (more than 2) is now considered
> to be the province of gamers. I don't really play any games - - - I have
> too much fun just using software on my system - - - - but then I'm a
> business  man and self-employed and that means, by definition, that
> I'm weird. I am working with software in a very wide range of things,
> from CADD to CAM (that very little at present), to spreadsheets, to
> starting to work in self designed software supporting equipment that
> I'm fabricating and a bunch of other things. To date I've been mostly a
> software user but am starting on becoming a software developer
> because in certain areas software just isn't adequate. In the software
> using I've found myself pushing the envelope because I combine things
> in ways that seem to all too often be non-customary.
>
> So - - - to draw the circle a little closer to closed - - - - what I see in
> Wayland doesn't enthuse me one iota - - - multi-gpu and serious i
> multi-monitor stuff is really still considered 'weird' and that means
> that its not really supported and if there is some support - - - - its
> called good luck finding it. (Most of the information on the web for
> xrandr is for version 1.3 (meaning version 3) or earlier yet I have found
> a hint that version 1.6 is immanent but I can't really find any information
> on what is proposed.)
>
> (>rant off)

I possibly should have changed the topic - - - - mea culpa!
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[DNG] Request for assistance

[o1bigtenor via Dng]

Greetings

(Asking this here as so far I've seen some seriously skilled folks
connecting in!)

I've been working on getting a HiSense 50" TV (3840x2160_30) working
on a Nvidia GTX1050 Ti graphics card. I have a second graphics card
(Nvidia GT (IIRC) 570) with a present stable of 4 -1920x1080 monitors.
I am running Nouveau rather than proprietary Nvidia software and get
to use xrandr to set up my graphics system after every boot but
although it took me a while to learn how to do this setup its pretty
quick now.

Part of the 'fun' in wanting to add the 3840x2160_30 monitor is that
EDID has become a more than somewhat 'challenging' system. Enough so
that I was able to find this:
https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v5.6/driver-api/edid.html

Creating this 'custom' EDID is a long ways from my wheelhouse - - - I
have spend some time today trying to find some of the stuff indicated
on that page - - - - can't find anything (maybe also a good thing!). I
am going to attach (hopefully the list accepts attachments) 2 files
which give enough information so that someone with the requisite
skills could create this 'custom' EDID that I need so that I could
then use xrandr to get this monitor working. Is there someone who
might be able to do this? (I think doing it might be a lot less time
consuming that guiding me through the doing of it - - - especially as
I have essentially zero programming skills)

Please?

TIA


EDID_for_HDMI-1
Description: Binary data


20210123_var_log_Xorg_0_log_files_for_HiSense_monitor
Description: Binary data
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Re: [DNG] Request for assistance

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On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 8:13 PM Ralph Ronnquist via Dng
 wrote:
>
> On 24/01 19:59, o1bigtenor via Dng wrote:
> > Greetings
> >
> > (Asking this here as so far I've seen some seriously skilled folks
> > connecting in!)
> >
> > I've been working on getting a HiSense 50" TV (3840x2160_30) working
> > on a Nvidia GTX1050 Ti graphics card. I have a second graphics card
> > (Nvidia GT (IIRC) 570) with a present stable of 4 -1920x1080 monitors.
> > I am running Nouveau rather than proprietary Nvidia software and get
> > to use xrandr to set up my graphics system after every boot but
> > although it took me a while to learn how to do this setup its pretty
> > quick now.
> >
> > Part of the 'fun' in wanting to add the 3840x2160_30 monitor is that
> > EDID has become a more than somewhat 'challenging' system. Enough so
> > that I was able to find this:
> > https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v5.6/driver-api/edid.html
> >
> > Creating this 'custom' EDID is a long ways from my wheelhouse - - - I
> > have spend some time today trying to find some of the stuff indicated
> > on that page - - - - can't find anything (maybe also a good thing!). I
> > am going to attach (hopefully the list accepts attachments) 2 files
> > which give enough information so that someone with the requisite
> > skills could create this 'custom' EDID that I need so that I could
> > then use xrandr to get this monitor working. Is there someone who
> > might be able to do this? (I think doing it might be a lot less time
> > consuming that guiding me through the doing of it - - - especially as
> > I have essentially zero programming skills)
>
> I think that
>
> 1) the program "cvt" is useful for getting the details right
> 
> $ cvt 3840 2160 30
> # 3840x2160 29.98 Hz (CVT) hsync: 65.96 kHz; pclk: 338.75 MHz
> Modeline "3840x2160_30.00"  338.75  3840 4080 4488 5136  2160 2163 2168 2200 
> -hsync +vsync
> 

tried this - - - - sorry it needs to be a little bit different!
>
> 2) you can use that almost verbatim to assign this with xrandr, rather
> than rebuilding the module:
>
> $ xrandr --newmode "3840x2160_30.00"  338.75  3840 4080 4488 5136  2160 2163 
> 2168 2200 -hsync +vsync
>
If you look in the attached files the frequency can't be 338.75 - - - it
to be 297 MHz. The mode file is just a little bit different than the one
that cvt proposes. (Sunno why and there are some other goofy things
going on but if I can get it working - - - - I can live with the rest!)

Thanks for the ideas !
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Re: [DNG] Request for assistance

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On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 2:27 AM al3xu5 / dotcommon
 wrote:
>
> Sun, 24 Jan 2021 19:59:19 -0600 - o1bigtenor :
>
> > Greetings
> >
> > (Asking this here as so far I've seen some seriously skilled folks
> > connecting in!)
> >
> > I've been working on getting a HiSense 50" TV (3840x2160_30) working
> > on a Nvidia GTX1050 Ti graphics card. I have a second graphics card
> > (Nvidia GT (IIRC) 570) with a present stable of 4 -1920x1080 monitors.
> > I am running Nouveau rather than proprietary Nvidia software and get
> > to use xrandr to set up my graphics system after every boot but
> > although it took me a while to learn how to do this setup its pretty
> > quick now.
> >
> > Part of the 'fun' in wanting to add the 3840x2160_30 monitor is that
> > EDID has become a more than somewhat 'challenging' system. Enough so
> > that I was able to find this:
> > https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v5.6/driver-api/edid.html
> >
> > Creating this 'custom' EDID is a long ways from my wheelhouse - - - I
> > have spend some time today trying to find some of the stuff indicated
> > on that page - - - - can't find anything (maybe also a good thing!). I
> > am going to attach (hopefully the list accepts attachments) 2 files
> > which give enough information so that someone with the requisite
> > skills could create this 'custom' EDID that I need so that I could
> > then use xrandr to get this monitor working. Is there someone who
> > might be able to do this? (I think doing it might be a lot less time
> > consuming that guiding me through the doing of it - - - especially as
> > I have essentially zero programming skills)
> >
> > Please?
> >
> > TIA
>
>
>
> Hi
>
> I had the same problem with a Panasonic Viera TV. Here below the way I
> have solved.
>
>
> You need a valid right modeline for your tv/monitor with the desired
> resolution/refresh.
>
> You have the hardware specs of your tv/monitor, and its EDID file you
> attached which has:
>
>   DTD   1:  3840x2160   30.000 Hz  16:967.500 kHz 297.000 MHz (1872 mm
>   x 1053 mm) Hfront  176 Hsync  88 Hback 296 Hpol P
>  Vfront8 Vsync  10 Vback  72 Vpol P
>
> Using these informations you should be able to find the modeline you need.
>
> See:

This looks like exactly what I've been scouring the web for - - - but
- - - there
are some issues with some of the following.
>
> Modeline Database - MythTV Official Wiki
> https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Modeline_Database

Nothing on 4k or wide format TVs/monitors.
>
> Working with Modelines - MythTV Official Wiki
> https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Working_with_Modelines
>
> * Modeline Calculator
> https://arachnoid.com/modelines/

this seems to be very much like cvt
>
> videogen
> http://www.dynaweb.hu/opensource/videogen/
>
> Debian -- Package Search Results -- videogen
> https://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=videogen&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all
>
>
> Your modeline will be something similar to:
>
> "3840x2160_30.00" 339.57 3840 4080 4496 5152 2160 2161 2164 2197 -HSync
> +Vsync
>

3840x2160   30.000 Hz  16:967.500 kHz 297.000 MHz (1150 mm x 650 mm)
 Hfront  176 Hsync  88 Hback 296 Hpol P
 Vfront8 Vsync  10 Vback  72 Vpol P

It seems to me that the 297.000 MHz (different than 339.57 MHz) is important.


> (Be very careful because using an incorrect modeline may DAMAGE the
> display.)
>
>
> Once you have the right modeline, you need to pass it to xrandr for each
> session.
>
> If you are using a DM (e.g lightdm), you can configure it to run a script
> when starting each session.

I have a cheat sheet and just enter the 6 commands (on my existing
2 card 4 monitor setup) to get the second card recognized and working.
>
> Here is how mine is (you should change it accordingly to your tv/monitor
> model and modeline): ~~~
> #!/bin/bash
>
> # ## DISPLAY SETUP
> # Modeline for Panasonic Viera 32" HDMI LCD TV (model: TX-32LX52F)
> xrandr --newmode "1216x684_60" 74.160 1216 1356 1396 1648 684 707 712 750
> +hsync +vsync xrandr --addmode HDMI-1 "1216x684_60"
> xrandr --output  HDMI-1 --mode "1216x684_60"

I am presently stuck trying to get 'videogen' working.

Can see everything in the directory but using either root or user I get the
same error message:
$ videogen
could not open configuration file "~/.videogen" (errno=2)

   +--+
   |  |
   | videogen 0.33 simple XFree86 Modeline calculator |
   |  |
   |  by Szabolcs Rumi, (c) 1997 - 2003   |
   |THIS PROGRAM COMES WITH ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY|
   |for details see the GNU General Public License (GPLv2)|
   |  |
   +-

Re: [DNG] Request for assistance

[o1bigtenor via Dng]

On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 12:52 PM al3xu5 / dotcommon
 wrote:
>
> Mon, 25 Jan 2021 10:59:34 -0600 - o1bigtenor :
>
> > [...]
> > >
> > > Your modeline will be something similar to:
> > >
> > > "3840x2160_30.00" 339.57 3840 4080 4496 5152 2160 2161 2164 2197 -HSync
> > > +Vsync
> > >
> >
> > 3840x2160   30.000 Hz  16:967.500 kHz 297.000 MHz (1150 mm x 650 mm)
> >  Hfront  176 Hsync  88 Hback 296 Hpol P
> >  Vfront8 Vsync  10 Vback  72 Vpol P
> >
> > It seems to me that the 297.000 MHz (different than 339.57 MHz) is
> > important.
>
> see below...
>
>
> > > [...]
>
> > I am presently stuck trying to get 'videogen' working.
> >
> > Can see everything in the directory but using either root or user I get
> > the same error message:
> > $ videogen
> > could not open configuration file "~/.videogen" (errno=2)
> > [...]
> > error: no modes (resolutions) have been specified
> >
> > Suggestion(s) on how to get over this hurdle?
>
> You should read videogen man:

I have found that man pages are designed for the expert who needs a refresher
which is not the same as a noob with no knowledge. So man pages are a last
resort for me.
>
> $ man videogen
>
> As you can see, you have to specify command parameters for videogen and/or
> a configuration file for videogen where to read parameters to be used.
>
> In short, you need tu run videogen in this way:

THANK YOU (deliberate use of caps!) - - - - this is the one thing that man pages
seem unable to do - - - - an example of good usage.
>
> $ videogen -v nvidia=on mode=WxH -mdc=CCC -mhf=HHH -mvf=VVV -dvf=OOO
>
> where:
>-v verbose output
>
>nvidia=on|off
>   Turn on/off non-free NVidia Linux driver compatibility mode.
>(default=on)
>
>mode=modespec
>   Adds modespec to the list of modes to calculate a Modeline
>for. This must be in the form 800x600 (width x height) and it  can
>be  specified  more than once to add several modes.
>
>-mdc=freq
>   Set freq to the maximum dot clock rate of your video card or
>the bandwidth of your monitor, whichever is lower, in MHz.
>
>-mhf=freq
>   Set freq to the maximum horizontal refresh frequency of your
>monitor in kHz.
>
>-mvf=freq
>   Set freq to the maximum vertical refresh frequency of your
>monitor in Hz.
>
>-dvf=freq
>   Set  freq  to the vertical refresh frequency which you think
>would be optimal for you, in Hz.  The program will try to match
>this frequency at all resolutions, instead of the maximum frequency
>that would be technically possible. (optional)
>
>
following is one example of the output:

# videogen -v nvidia=on mode=3840x2160 -mdc=300.00 -mhf=67.500 -dvf=30
argument 6 (-dvf=30) has an invalid parameter
command line syntax error

I tried both with nvidia on and off, -dvf from 25 to 35 (clock/x*y).

It would seem that I've struck out - - - - one more time - - - oh well.

I think the wife will be overjoyed at getting a new TV except that I likely
won't be getting a new monitor for quite some time!

Thanks for the help!!

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[DNG] info request

[o1bigtenor via Dng]

Greetings

I understand that Devan is NOT debian!
I'm trying to find a way of letting Debian know that in their present
push to get testing into a freeze that they have some huge pita s
happening.

To briefly elucidate - - - with a 5.10.2 kernel (and all of the
releases from 5.4.0.4) I get opportunities to practice my system setup
because with increasing rapidity my monitoros won't move off of sleep.

Any suggestions where I could file this?
Filing a bug would be appropriate - - - - but then where - - - is it
the graphics driver, is it the kernel is it the screensaver, is it
that I'm running 2 graphics cards and 5 monitors or is there some
conjunction of some number of these that becomes a witches brew - - -
- I haven't been able to figure out the problem!

Thanking any and all for possible reporting locations!!!

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Re: [DNG] Very offtopic: 70's music

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On Thu, Mar 4, 2021 at 6:27 PM Steve Litt  wrote:

AS there seem to be quite a number enjoying this - - - - well you've caused me
to crawl down the water drains and . . .

>
> Here are my favorite music decades, from most to least liked:
>
> 1) 1990's
> 2) 1980's
> 3) 1960's
> 4) 1970's
> 5) 2000's
> 6) 1950's
> 7) 2010's
>
Nothin like the late 1500s or early 1600s.
The 1700 had quite a number of very interesting moments.
The the 1800s - - - - well I could go on for hours - - - -
   you ever hear a Stein fortepiano on full stick with a big enough voice
   going full bore on some mid/late Schubert or most of Schumann.
Listening to something like the Amadeus quartet - - - - guys only played
together for some 50 + years. One guy died and they disbanded - - - -it
would have been terribly difficult to integrate someone else - - - no matter
how good a player.
Lots more to say here!!!
Finishing the 1800s and into the beginning of the 1900s - - - - well - - -
how many hours will you give me. Some of the composers - - - - great
music but boy were they shysters at life!
Should tell you about a concert I was fortunate enough to here in
Munich - - - - we clapped for '20' minutes - - - - what a performance

So a number of decades - - - meh - - - I've got almost as many centuries!

Saw you a few and have raised you hard!

What else you got?  (grin!)

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Re: [DNG] Any interest in a Devuan Meetup in Colorado Springs or Denver? (was "GNUPGP Web of trust")

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On Thu, Mar 4, 2021 at 8:54 PM Rick Moen  wrote:
>
> Quoting Gabe Stanton via Dng (dng@lists.dyne.org):
>
> > This is incentive for me to take another crack at getting a jitsi
> > instance running. It will probably take me a couple months to get one
> > working since time is limited and there are many things higher on the
> > priorities list, but I'll work on that and get back to the list when I
> > have that running.
>
> Here are my (raw, and I stress, _raw_) notes from setting up Jitsi Meet

> (on Amazon EC2, on Debian 10) in a tearing hurry for the 2020 World
> Science Fiction Convention (the '2020 Worldcon'), which was forced by
> the exploding pandemic to suddenly convert itself into a virtual event,
> instead of being in Wellington, NZ:
> http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/jitsi.txt
>
> Here's the 2020 Worldcon's (CoNZealand's) Web site.
> https://conzealand.nz/
>
> The Worldcon is an all-volunteer-run, all-volunteer-staffed literary
> science fiction convention held annually somewhere on planet Earth
> (so far ;-> ).  Usual attendance is about 3000 people who fly in from
> everywhere.  A big Worldcon, like London's in 2014, is about 8000
> in-person attendees.
>
> My instance of Jitsi Meet had no performance problems whatsoever for the
> usage CoNZealand made -- though I was prepared to spin up more instances
> of Jitsi Videobridge2 if necessary to share the load.  Honestly, once I
> stopped making a couple of dumb mistakes in site configuration
> (preserved in my raw notes), it was pretty darned easy to configure.
>
> There are sundry site-admin customisations that can be done, which I
> didn't fully cover in my notes, but aren't that hard to find, and I
> might even be able to refresh my memory about those if you need to ask.
>
> As you might gather from my notes, I got directives from above that
> changed during the project about whether to try to shim in an oauth2
> authentication layer (non-default) and then whether or not to configure
> an operating mode where only a list of people (staff) with prearranged
> admin credentials were permitted to create Jitsi Meet rooms.  The
> eventual deployment did not include the latter security controls --
> making it work pretty much like meet.jit.si .  However, those security
> controls weren't difficult to do if desired.
>
>
> Before any asks:  No, I didn't do that on Devuan because I was in a
> huge hurry and had a known-good Amazon EC2 AMI of Debian 10 at my
> disposal.  I expect that my setup instructions will work just great on
> Devuan.

I, for one,   p l e a s e ? (!?!)
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Re: [DNG] Any interest in a Devuan Meetup in Colorado Springs or Denver? (was "GNUPGP Web of trust")

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On Thu, Mar 4, 2021 at 9:32 PM Rick Moen  wrote:
>
> Quoting o1bigtenor (o1bigte...@gmail.com):
>
> > I, for one,   p l e a s e ? (!?!)
>
> {sigh}
>
> Care to try reframing the question?

Quoting:
Before any asks:  No, I didn't do that on Devuan because I was in a
huge hurry and had a known-good Amazon EC2 AMI of Debian 10 at my
disposal.  I expect that my setup instructions will work just great on
Devuan.

above implies that that list of instructions might be available.

I was asking for said list.

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Re: [DNG] Any interest in a Devuan Meetup in Colorado Springs or Denver? (was "GNUPGP Web of trust")

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On Fri, Mar 5, 2021 at 6:05 AM Steve Litt  wrote:
>
>
> >
> >> Anyway, I'm 1500 miles away from Denver, but if it's a meeting and
> >> not
> >> a "meetup", I'd like to attend via Jitsi.
> >
> >This is incentive for me to take another crack at getting a jitsi
> >instance running. It will probably take me a couple months to get one
> >working since time is limited and there are many things higher on the
> >priorities list, but I'll work on that and get back to the list when I
> >have that running. Once that's running I'll guage interest again. The
> >smaller the group the less formal it's likely to be.
>
> Hi Gabe,
>
> I'm also going to try to get a Jitsi-centric VM running. But you
> needn't wait to install Jitsi on your own computer to enjoy Jitsi. For
> over a year, GoLUG (my local LUG) has met at https://meet.jit.si/golug,
> with pretty good success. Also, in December, I taught a 2 day class
> over Jitsi. It worked great, and all the students liked the course.
>
> So while a home-grown installation is all of our goal, until then,
> anything on meet.jit.si works pretty darn well, as long as your browser
> is Chromium if you're on Linux.
>
Asking to confirm - - - - so Firefox won't work?

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Re: [DNG] OT"? Wanted a simple 2d plan drafting/sketching/plotting program

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On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 12:09 AM Dr. Nikolaus Klepp  wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> Anno domini 2021 Fri, 12 Mar 16:45:07 +1100
>  terryc scripsit:
> > Suggestions wanted.
> >
> > I need to sketch a plan of a land plot for an erection by a
> > contractor. the 'erection' can be described as three to five rectangles
> > with ramps between them. Ancillary data to be plotted/drawn is building
> > sides, pathway and drive way. placement of shrubbery is optional. I'm
> > really after a vector based program.
> >
> > Rant/Long story: Similar simple tasks I need to do irregularly.
> > Sadly, "linux" has never had a program that provides that functionality
> > and I've always had to fulfill the need from the MS world.
> >
> > I come from the world of drafting where first you define your scale,
> > then draw up your plan to scale. the problem there is I've spent the
> > last three days intermittently looking at eight CAD/sketching programs.
> >
> > Bummer, as nothing 'sets a scale' any more. Apparently the 'modern'
> > approach is to describe it in 'elements' of real world dimensions and
> > then scale the result. Reasonable, good idea, BUT, nothing has a simple
> > 'element' creation module.
> >
> > I believe it isn't my webfu that is failing, but any of my searches for
> > 'element creation in XYZ' at the best turned up a response to a
> > similar question that was ignored.
> >
> > Hence I'm looking for suggestions.of a program that might work in a
> > timely manner.
> >
> > In a practical sense, I could pick up my A4 drafting board, draw
> > it, scan the result and send it. Changes are expected and hence a
> > digital version would be better.
>
> Depending on what you realy need you can use e.g.:
>
> FreeCAD
> LibreCAD
> Inkscape
> OpenSCAD
> dia
> libredraw
> Povray
> Gimp
> 
>
> Or you might not find anythig useful, 'cause it's not working the way you 
> expect it to work.
>
there are some other CAD programs

BRL-CAD
Solvespace
Salome

IMO LibreCAD is the closest to drawing by hand (yes you can set scale),
any of the 3-D programs has an about vertical line for a learning curve.

Dunno if that info helps any.

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[DNG] Request for assistance in dealing with a nouveau problem

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Greetings

This group has been far and above for approachability and helpfulness
in comparison to the predecessor group. This is not on devuan at this
point but I am working on moving my systems over - - - but aqs I've
had too many joys in the past - - - - I'm a little slow - - - -e
specially on my main system which this is.

I have filed an issue with the extract_firmware location but that
might take months until it is read and this needing to reboot
(followed by 1/2 hour of system setup) at least once every 24 hours is
enough to run anyone bananas!

Hopefully there is someone who might assist - - - - -

Running nouveau on debian testing with 2 graphics cards. 1. Nvidia
1050 Ti 2. Nvidia 570
Driving 5 monitors 1. 4k 2. rest 1920x1080
Driving seems to work well enough but i'm having to reboot at least
once every 24 hours.

Error in dmesg is:

[ 428.865383] nouveau :02:00.0: Direct firmware load for
nouveau/nvc8_fuc084 failed with error -2
[ 428.865390] nouveau :02:00.0: firmware: failed to load
nouveau/nvc8_fuc084d (-2)
[ 428.865391] nouveau :02:00.0: Direct firmware load for
nouveau/nvc8_fuc084d failed with error -2
[ 428.865393] nouveau :02:00.0: msvld: unable to load firmware data
[ 428.865394] nouveau :02:00.0: msvld: init failed, -19

Working through the following page:

https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/VideoAcceleration.html

I get to

$ python2 extract_firmware.py # this script is for python 2 only

where I am using

NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-390.141.run
extract_firmware.py (from right here)

my resultant is:

root@debianbase:/tmp/nouveau/nvidia# ls
extract_firmware.py NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-390.141.run
root@debianbase:/tmp/nouveau/nvidia# python3 extract_firmware.py
Please run this in a directory where NVIDIA-Linux-x86-340.108 is a subdir.

You can make this happen by running
wget 
http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/340.108/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-340.108.run
sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-340.108.run --extract-only

Note: You can use other versions/arches, see the source for what is acceptable.

In looking at the source code version 340.108 is that latest listed.

What and how do I change things so that I can extract this firmware
blob so that hopefully my error message will disappear and my system
will as robust as it was for the last 4 years. (I added the 5th
monitor and that's when the issue appeared.)

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Re: [DNG] Request for assistance in dealing with a nouveau problem

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On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 5:43 PM aitor  wrote:
>
> On 2/4/21 0:16, g4sra via Dng wrote:
>
> You literally need to execute
>
> NVIDIA-Linux-x86-340.108.run --extract-only
>
> which will extract itself creating the subdirectory
>
> Didn't he/she? All the steps are specified in the website:
>
> $ mkdir /tmp/nouveau
> $ cd /tmp/nouveau
> $ wget https://raw.github.com/envytools/firmware/master/extract_firmware.py
> $ wget 
> http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/325.15/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-325.15.run
> $ sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-325.15.run --extract-only
> $ python2 extract_firmware.py  # this script is for python 2 only
> # mkdir /lib/firmware/nouveau
> # cp -d nv* vuc-* /lib/firmware/nouveau/
>
Please - - - - if only you had read all the information that was
included in the original
post it would be quite clear why this set of instructions is NOT useful.
Would you please go back and read what is there?
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[DNG] attempting to migrate from Buster to Beowulf

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Greetings

For a number of reasons I would prefer to migrate (this machine is a
server test bed (where I experiment)).

Following the 'destrucitons' on:
https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/en/buster-to-beowulf

I'm totally stuck at:
If you want to use the wicd network manager this needs to be installed
now or the upgrade will fail.

root@debian:~# apt-get install wicd-gtk

I have used dpkg and apt to remove network-manager yet every time I
ask apt to install 'wicd-gtk' I'm getting the following (have
removed/purged the installed files a few times too and dried a reboot
to see if I could clear things this way but - - - ):

$ dpkg -l | grep network*   (pertinent selection)
ii  traceroute1:2.1.0-2
amd64Traces the route taken by packets over an
IPv4/IPv6 network
iF  wicd-daemon   1.7.4+tb2-6+devuan1.1
all  wired and wireless network manager - daemon
iU  wicd-gtk  1.7.4+tb2-6+devuan1.1
all  wired and wireless network manager - GTK+
client

# dpkg --configure -a
Setting up wicd-daemon (1.7.4+tb2-6+devuan1.1) ...
Failed to start wicd.service: Unit dbus.socket not found.
invoke-rc.d: initscript wicd, action "start" failed.
\u25cf wicd.service - Wicd a wireless and wired network manager for Linux
   Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/wicd.service; disabled; vendor
preset: enabled)
   Active: inactive (dead)
 Docs: man:wicd(8)
dpkg: error processing package wicd-daemon (--configure):
 installed wicd-daemon package post-installation script subprocess
returned error exit status 1
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of wicd-gtk:
 wicd-gtk depends on wicd-daemon (= 1.7.4+tb2-6+devuan1.1); however:
  Package wicd-daemon is not configured yet.

dpkg: error processing package wicd-gtk (--configure):
 dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
Errors were encountered while processing:
 wicd-daemon
 wicd-gtk



This is feeling like a gordian knot at present.
Is there anyone who might be able to show me how to beat this issue
into submission?

Please advise soonest (grin - - - I am getting frustrated with this boondoggle!)

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[DNG] Request for assistance with install

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Greetings

Tried a migration from Debian Buster to Beowulf - - - nope.
Downloaded the DVD and got almost all the way through the install.
Got stuck when the install demands a place to install grub and this is
an EFI setup.

Please advise

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Re: [DNG] Request for assistance with install

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On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 4:51 PM o1bigtenor  wrote:
>
> Greetings
>
> Tried a migration from Debian Buster to Beowulf - - - nope.
> Downloaded the DVD and got almost all the way through the install.
> Got stuck when the install demands a place to install grub and this is
> an EFI setup.
>

Thought I'd check things.
You bet - - - - had it on legacy boot not efi boot.
Changed that and did another install.
At the boot after install - - - oops - - - no joy.

Complaints of no run init: can't execute /sbin/init: no such file or
directory.

Now this I have no ideas on how to fix - - - - please advise.

(This is using the devuan dvd to install from. If this doesn't work
- - - - well - - -  I'm now out of my depth!)

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Re: [DNG] Request for assistance with install

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On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 9:56 PM Patrick Bartek  wrote:
>
> On Mon, 24 May 2021 20:46:06 -0500
> o1bigtenor via Dng  wrote:
>
> > On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 4:51 PM o1bigtenor 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Greetings
> > >
> > > Tried a migration from Debian Buster to Beowulf - - - nope.
> > > Downloaded the DVD and got almost all the way through the install.
> > > Got stuck when the install demands a place to install grub and this
> > > is an EFI setup.
> > >
> >
> > Thought I'd check things.
> > You bet - - - - had it on legacy boot not efi boot.
> > Changed that and did another install.
> > At the boot after install - - - oops - - - no joy.
> >
> > Complaints of no run init: can't execute /sbin/init: no such file or
> > directory.
> >
> > Now this I have no ideas on how to fix - - - - please advise.
> >
> > (This is using the devuan dvd to install from. If this doesn't work
> > - - - - well - - -  I'm now out of my depth!)
>
> For my clean install of Beowulf, I had to use Expert Mode to get the
> EFI boot choice.  Having Legacy Mode on or off in BIOS made no
> difference.

Have now gone through a complete install twice using 'Expert Mode'.
>
> You also need a dedicated EFI partition (type ef00, EFI System type)
> formatted FAT32 mounted on /boot/efi which should show in the installer
> partitioner tool.  You don't need a dedicated /boot partition. The boot
> folder under / is sufficient.

Have an EFI partition (FAT32 IIRC) on the HDD. Said no for installing GRUB
to some independent partition.
>
> Thoroughly study the install instructions, especially about setting up
> efi.

I can find nothing for setting up efi on Devuan on any of the official pages.
If you know of such if you would please advise.

(I know devuan works, a buddy, now deceased a year, was a huge fan,
likely also involved in some maintenance - - - - just how do I get this
server testing system running Beowulf. Four installs now and still no
joy.
Have now done 4 installs and would like advice before I start #5.
Doing the same thing over and over hoping results will change is
not my idea of 'joy'.)

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Re: [DNG] ifupdown laptop wired/wifi trick

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On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 1:26 AM Didier Kryn  wrote:
>
> Le 25/05/2021 à 21:43, Mason Loring Bliss a écrit :
> > I've been managing network connections on my laptop by hand, and I was just
> > thinking that I'd like it to bring up its NICs automatically if it's
> > plugged in, but I didn't want to use ifplugd for various reasons, and
> > anyway, I like ifupdown and I want to stick with it.
>
> There's no contradiction between ifupdown and ifplugd; they work
> well together. I have been using both for decades. What I exclude is
> network-manager.
>
Hmm - - - - - why exclude network-manager?

(just wanting to understand.)

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Re: [DNG] Request for assistance with install

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On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 10:35 AM Tim Wallace via Dng  wrote:
>
> I've had intermittent trouble with Devuan/EFI from day 1, when I got a new 
> MB/SSD and found out I had to use EFI for my hardware to work.  Most recent 
> was a bad grub update (you may recall that was a topic of conversation here a 
> few months back.  Latest (yesterday) was my MB battery dying, and having to 
> replace that!  I could not boot, no matter what settings I picked (the no 
> legacy boot thing seems a little different in my most recent bios, but pretty 
> sure I turned it off.)
>
> Solution: I booted with a refind thumb drive, and followed the instructions 
> here: https://wiki.debian.org/GrubEFIReinstall which may be all you need to 
> do to get your system booting.  I found when I booted that /boot/efi was not 
> mounted, even though it was in my fstab.  I mounted it when the instructions 
> called for it, and everything else worked smoothly.  I was able to boot 
> without my thumb drive, just now!
>
> Perhaps this will help.  I used refind version 0.13.1 (downloaded in Feb, 
> when I had trouble with the grub update).
>
> After this, updates to Devuan work fine, and the boot loader works normally.


I used a DVD with refind on it and was able to boot into the system - - - - yeh!

Investigating I may have found the problem (using the page that you suggested).

The command
[ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo "EFI boot on HDD" || echo "Legacy boot on HDD"

returns
EFI boot on HDD

When I look into the directories I see a possible issue (why I'm a
asking - - - grin!)

/boot/efi is present
# ls /boot/efi   shows
EFI
# ls /boot/efi/EFIshows
debian devuan

I'm thinking that that directory named "EFI" is causing problems and that
both the 'debian' and the 'devuan' directories inside should be moved to
be in /boot/efi rather than in /boot/efi/EFI as at present.

Please advise

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[DNG] Another request for assistance

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Greetings

Not to long ago I was getting assistance on either migrating a Debian
buster (stable) system to Devuan Beowulf except I needed to install
Devuan. Lots of room on the single hdd so was able to successfully
install - - - - except  . . .

The present Devuan system can be booted using rEFInd to choose the
right 'files' but this is still a
workaround not a nice clean bootable system.

(I had already had the Devuan Beowulf system running for a few weeks
but a massive weather system (we had a 18.5 hour power outage) forced
a shutdown.)

If someone would please provide some direction(s) so that I could
determine what isn't 'correct' so I could fix whatever is blocking
things from a neat system.

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Re: [DNG] Another request for assistance

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On Sun, Jun 13, 2021 at 4:11 PM Tim Wallace  wrote:

> After you boot with rEFInd, follow the directions for "Reinstalling
> grub-efi on your hard drive" on this page: GrubEFIReinstall - Debian Wiki
> 
>
> GrubEFIReinstall - Debian Wiki
>
> 
>
>
> Thank you mr Tim

Worked my way through the destructions with all required responses being
textbook.
Ejected the rEFInd disk and then asked for a reboot.

Resultant is :
grub>

grub> ls
lists some 18 partitions none of which indicate the msdos needed for efi
(proc), (hdo), (hd0,gpt15) (hd0, gpt 14 to 1) (hd1)

Tried booting using the rEFInd disk and everything is working (select the
correct partition and then everything works).
Ran through the destructions again (just in case) with everything looking
as indicated.
Still not bootable directly.

Looked at some pages re: booting from grub directly but somehow I was
supposed to have this msdos partition (which I don't).
So I'm still at least somewhat lost - - - I can get the system to boot but
only using the long way around.

Ideas/suggestions ?

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[DNG] ntp setup

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Greetings

Noticed that my new Beowulf install time was not accurate.

Went looking for a tips page and all I could find was information
relating to using systemd and or its tools to do such. I know there is
a way to do this without systemd - - - - - just - - - its been a very
long time since I've done that.

Please  - - - anyone for a short writeup on how to
install/start/whatever else to ntp without using systemd?

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Re: [DNG] ntp setup

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On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 9:36 AM R. G. Sidler via Dng  wrote:
>
>
> Am 19.06.21 um 16:33 schrieb R. G. Sidler via Dng:
> > Am 19.06.21 um 16:31 schrieb o1bigtenor via Dng:
> >> Greetings
> >>
> >> Noticed that my new Beowulf install time was not accurate.
> >>
> >> Went looking for a tips page and all I could find was information
> >> relating to using systemd and or its tools to do such. I know there is
> >> a way to do this without systemd - - - - - just - - - its been a very
> >> long time since I've done that.
> >>
> >> Please  - - - anyone for a short writeup on how to
> >> install/start/whatever else to ntp without using systemd?
> >>

> >
> > this might be helpful:
> > "https://www.maketecheasier.com/sync-linux-time-with-ntp-server/";
> >
> > Have fun and success
> >
> > Roland
>
>
> Sorry, I forgot - there is a part especially for systems without systemd
> in the lower part of the article ...
>

What none of the articles mentioned was on how to synchronize system
time with npt. I had already installed npt it was the synchronizing that
I wasn't remembering and there was no mention of how to for anything
but systemd linked resources. It got it linked but likely used a technique
far too close to that of a 20# sledge hammer.

Given that Devuan is about the 'not' use of systemd it would seem sorta
normal to have a how-to for a newbie - - - - - and I couldn't find anything
that wasn't using systemd except for npt and then npt only synchronizes
only on machine starts.

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Re: [DNG] USB mount problem

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On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 6:10 PM Patrick Bartek via Dng
 wrote:
>
> On Fri, 25 Jun 2021 11:34:32 +0200
> Alessandro Vesely via Dng  wrote:
>
> > On Tue 15/Jun/2021 20:41:09 +0200 Patrick Bartek via Dng wrote:
> > >
> > > I have found that each desktop uses its own method of automounting.
> > > PCManFM may have the mounting code built-in. Or it may use udiskie.
> > > Check PCManFM's dependencies and see if udiskie is listed. Did you
> > > install udiskie yourself? If not, then some other app did and it's
> > > probably needed. If it's not causing problems, leave it be.
> >
> >
> > Right.  For spacefm it is udevil.
> >
> > Curiously, spacefm was mounting smoothly until yesterday, on chimaera
> > + openbox.  After I did a system upgrade, I couldn't mount an USB key
> > any more, until I manually installed udevil.  What happened,
> > dependency changes?
>
> This is one of the "gotchas" that can happen when running an "in
> development" version.  As far as why it happen: could be a number of
> things.  Most of the time, it's because a dependency, like udevil to
> spacefm, become mismatched version-wise.  That is, udevil has become
> "too old" to work with spacefm, and the upgrade process uninstalls it.
> Try "full-grade" instead of just "upgrade" to get the newer version of
> the dependencies when "upgrading." In fact, this is the recommended
> procedure when running an "in development" or testing version.
>

Please - - - not understanding the command(s) suggested.
I usually use :
# apt update
# apt upgrade

so you're suggesting the use of
# apt update
# apt full-grade
or is that
# apt full-upgrade?

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Re: [DNG] USB mount problem

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On Sat, Jun 26, 2021 at 5:03 AM Alessandro Vesely via Dng
 wrote:
>
> On Sat 26/Jun/2021 11:45:46 +0200 o1bigtenor wrote:
> > so you're suggesting the use of
> > # apt update
> > # apt full-grade
> > or is that
> > # apt full-upgrade?
>
> apt-get dist-upgrade?
>
Methinks that's something else again - - - - but - - - I'm getting
confused!!!

When I look up the man page for apt - - - h - - - its now apt-rpm
and last updates are from 2008 (just a wee while ago). Can't seem to
find anything
somewhat contemporary - - - - - hm - - - - - just quite confused!!!

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Re: [DNG] CORRECTION: Sneak peak at runit presentation materials

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On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 12:41 AM Ludovic Bellière via Dng
 wrote:
>
> I was sleeping at the time. Hopefully, the recording of the presentation will 
> be
> made available later on.
>

See the previous email - - - - the presentation was made available
even before it 'aired'.

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[DNG] Installing postgresql13 on beowulf

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Greetings

trying to install postgres 13 on beowulf
the official instructions are using systemd  ephemera

I included the repository (postgresql) as suggested:

deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-backports main contrib non-free
deb-src http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-backports main contrib non-free

deb http://apt.postgresql.org/pub/repos/apt/ buster-pgdg main
~

but - - - - when I use
# apt update
Hit:1 http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf InRelease
Hit:2 http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-security InRelease
Hit:3 http://apt.postgresql.org/pub/repos/apt buster-pgdg InRelease
Ign:4 http://apt.postgresql.org/pub/repos/apt beowulf-pgdg InRelease
Hit:5 http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-updates InRelease
Hit:6 http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-backports InRelease
Err:7 http://apt.postgresql.org/pub/repos/apt beowulf-pgdg Release
  404  Not Found [IP: 87.238.57.227 80]
Reading package lists... Done
E: The repository 'http://apt.postgresql.org/pub/repos/apt
beowulf-pgdg Release' does not have a Release file.
N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is
therefore disabled by default.
N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user
configuration details.

Somehow what I entered as 'Buster' become 'Beowulf' .

How can I install postgresql 13 on Beowulf?

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[DNG] Fwd: Installing postgresql13 on beowulf

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!!!
Apologies - - - - I seem to have forgotten that I must use reply all
and I didn't!

-- Forwarded message -
From: o1bigtenor 
Date: Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 4:33 PM
Subject: Re: [DNG] Installing postgresql13 on beowulf
To: Antony Stone 


On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 3:22 PM Antony Stone
 wrote:
>
> On Saturday 17 July 2021 at 17:20:40, o1bigtenor via Dng 
> wrote:___
>
> > Greetings
> >
> > trying to install postgres 13 on beowulf
>
> > deb http://apt.postgresql.org/pub/repos/apt/ buster-pgdg main
>
> > # apt update
>
> > Err:7 http://apt.postgresql.org/pub/repos/apt beowulf-pgdg Release
>
> > Somehow what I entered as 'Buster' become 'Beowulf' .
>
> Can you really confirm that you don't have a beowulf repository lurking
> somewhere:
>
> grep -r postgresql /etc/apt
>

# grep -r postgresql /etc/apt
/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01autoremove-postgresql:// File installed by
postgresql-common. Currently not updated automatically,
/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01autoremove-postgresql:// would remove the old
postgresql-NN package when the "postgresql" meta
/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01autoremove-postgresql:"^postgresql-";

the issue is that
https://apt.postgresql.org/pub/repos/apt/dists/

only contains

bionic-pgdg/   11-Jul-2021 20:57
-
bionic-pgdg-testing/   17-Jul-2021 18:25
-
bullseye-pgdg/ 11-Jul-2021 20:56
-
bullseye-pgdg-testing/ 17-Jul-2021 18:25
-
buster-pgdg/   11-Jul-2021 20:56
-
buster-pgdg-testing/   17-Jul-2021 18:25
-
focal-pgdg/11-Jul-2021 20:57
-
focal-pgdg-testing/17-Jul-2021 18:25
-
groovy-pgdg/   11-Jul-2021 20:56
-
groovy-pgdg-testing/   09-Jul-2021 17:56
-
hirsute-pgdg/  11-Jul-2021 20:56
-
hirsute-pgdg-testing/  09-Jul-2021 17:56
-
sid-pgdg/  11-Jul-2021 20:56
-
sid-pgdg-testing/  17-Jul-2021 18:25
-
stretch-pgdg/  11-Jul-2021 20:56
-
stretch-pgdg-testing/  05-Jul-2021 16:06
-
xenial-pgdg/   13-May-2021 13:12
-
xenial-pgdg-testing/   13-May-2021 13:10
-

- - - - no mention of Beowulf and that means a - - - no go - - - - at least
as far as I can tell.

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Re: [DNG] Installing postgresql13 on beowulf

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On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 6:30 PM wirelessduck--- via Dng
 wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 18 Jul 2021, at 06:22, Antony Stone  
> > wrote:
> >
> > On Saturday 17 July 2021 at 17:20:40, o1bigtenor via Dng wrote:
> >
> >> Greetings
> >>
> >> trying to install postgres 13 on beowulf
> >
> >> deb http://apt.postgresql.org/pub/repos/apt/ buster-pgdg main
> >
> >> # apt update
> >
> >> Err:7 http://apt.postgresql.org/pub/repos/apt beowulf-pgdg Release
> >
> >> Somehow what I entered as 'Buster' become 'Beowulf' .
> >
> > Can you really confirm that you don't have a beowulf repository lurking
> > somewhere:
> >
> >grep -r postgresql /etc/apt
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> > Antony.
>
> I would check this too. I have postresql of various versions running fine on 
> multiple Beowulf machines from pgdg repositories so there’s nothing wrong 
> with apt.postgresql.org.
>
> Check also with `apt-cache policy`
>

I, in error, send my previous response to only the previous responder instead
of including the list.

The results of the search request are included.

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Re: [DNG] Fwd: Installing postgresql13 on beowulf

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On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 12:47 AM wirelessduck--- via Dng
 wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 18 Jul 2021, at 12:58, Gregory Nowak via Dng  wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 09:38:13PM -0500, o1bigtenor via Dng wrote:
> >> - - - - no mention of Beowulf and that means a - - - no go - - - - at least
> >> as far as I can tell.
> >>
> >> Any ideas?
> >
> > Bionic is based on buster, and therefore similar to Beowulf. If the
> > repository has bionic, use bionic if installing on Beowulf.
> >
> > Greg
>
> Bionic is an Ubuntu release. You should be using buster-pgdg repository for 
> postgresql apt as Devuan Beowulf is directly based on Debian Buster. Devuan 
> has no direct relationship with Ubuntu.
>
> I use the buster-pgdg repositories for all of my postgresql installations, 
> following the instructions on apt.postgresql.org but substituting the 
> lsb_release part for “buster”
>

Thank you very much.
I did not understand that I was to use 'Buster' in place of 'lsb_release' .

Using 'lsb_release' is what caused the foobar.

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Re: [DNG] Fwd: Installing postgresql13 on beowulf

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On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 5:58 AM wirelessduck--- via Dng
 wrote:
>
>
snip
> >>
> >> I use the buster-pgdg repositories for all of my postgresql installations, 
> >> following the instructions on apt.postgresql.org but substituting the 
> >> lsb_release part for “buster”
> >>
> >
> > Thank you very much.
> > I did not understand that I was to use 'Buster' in place of 'lsb_release' .
> >
> > Using 'lsb_release' is what caused the foobar.
> >
> > Regards
>
> Yes that snippet is designed to make it easy to copy and paste so you they 
> can provide one script to setup for all supported distros. As Devuan isn’t 
> directly supported by pgdg repository we just have to make a small change to 
> use the equivalent Debian release name.
>

Dunno if I'm understanding correctly but when I use the actual 'name'
of the distribution then I would have to change such when that
distribution changes - - - yes?

The generic statement would not need upgrading as I understand it.

Deeply appreciating the sharing in this group!!
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[DNG] Advice sought re: ejabberd

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Greetings

I have, at least temporarily, abandoned installing 'Evergreen' - -
library software.

Far too many books around here never mind a huge collection of papers
most often pdfs.

The Evergreen 'system' uses ejabberd as a communication tool and it
would seem to me (new at digging under the hood as it were) that
ejabberd is quite intertwined into this system.

Ejabberd was installed as part of the install but then  in the setup
it is necessary to shut it off.
The install workflow used 'systemctl' etc etc as a control
I used 'service ejabberd stop' which worked but when I wanted to
restart the service the complaints started.

Is there a simple way to change this reliance on systemd or is this
something better left to someone who does know what they're doing (not
me - - - grin!)?

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Re: [DNG] Advice sought re: ejabberd

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On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 7:48 AM d...@d404.nl  wrote:
>
> On 18-07-2021 13:17, o1bigtenor via Dng wrote:
> > Greetings
> >
> > I have, at least temporarily, abandoned installing 'Evergreen' - -
> > library software.
> >
> > Far too many books around here never mind a huge collection of papers
> > most often pdfs.
> >
> > The Evergreen 'system' uses ejabberd as a communication tool and it
> > would seem to me (new at digging under the hood as it were) that
> > ejabberd is quite intertwined into this system.
> >
> > Ejabberd was installed as part of the install but then  in the setup
> > it is necessary to shut it off.
> > The install workflow used 'systemctl' etc etc as a control
> > I used 'service ejabberd stop' which worked but when I wanted to
> > restart the service the complaints started.
> >
> > Is there a simple way to change this reliance on systemd or is this
> > something better left to someone who does know what they're doing (not
> > me - - - grin!)?
> >
> > TIA
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> Most likely you cannot do service ejabberd restart after a stop. You
> have to use service ejabberd start
> Otherwise you get a error/warning that no running service has been found
> before starting the service.
>

# service ejabberd start
[] Starting ejabberd...:root@memyself:/home/opensrf-3.2.1# service
ejabberd status
[] Getting ejabberd status...:Failed RPC connection to the node
ejabberd@localhost: nodedown

Commands to start an ejabberd node:
  start  Start an ejabberd node in server mode
  debug  Attach an interactive Erlang shell to a running ejabberd node
  iexdebug   Attach an interactive Elixir shell to a running ejabberd node
  live   Start an ejabberd node in live (interactive) mode
  iexliveStart an ejabberd node in live (interactive) mode, within
an Elixir shell
  foreground Start an ejabberd node in server mode (attached)

Optional parameters when starting an ejabberd node:
  --config-dir dir   Config ejabberd:/etc/ejabberd
  --config file  Config ejabberd:/etc/ejabberd/ejabberd.yml
  --ctl-config file  Config ejabberdctl: /etc/ejabberd/ejabberdctl.cfg
  --logs dir Directory for logs: /var/log/ejabberd
  --spool dirDatabase spool dir: /var/lib/ejabberd
  --node nodenameejabberd node name: ejabberd@localhost


To me this is a dead end - - - - perhaps someone can show me the path through?

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Re: [DNG] Advice sought re: ejabberd

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On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 10:01 AM Antony Stone
 wrote:
>
> On Sunday 18 July 2021 at 16:54:25, o1bigtenor via Dng wrote:
>
> > # service ejabberd start
> > [] Starting ejabberd...:root@memyself:/home/opensrf-3.2.1# service
> > ejabberd status
> > [] Getting ejabberd status...:Failed RPC connection to the node
> > ejabberd@localhost: nodedown
> >
> > Commands to start an ejabberd node:
>
> >   foreground Start an ejabberd node in server mode (attached)
>
> Did you try that one to see whether it gives you any extra information as it's
> trying to start?
>
> > Optional parameters when starting an ejabberd node:
> >   --logs dir Directory for logs: /var/log/ejabberd
>
> Have you looked in there for any additional details?
>

Hadn't even thought of looking there - - - - :-(  !!
# less /var/log/ejabberd/error.log
2021-07-18 09:43:36.985 [error]
<0.82.0>@ejabberd_config:validate_opts:1095 Unknown option 'echo
/lib > /etc/ld.so.conf.d/opensrf.confwhat'
2021-07-18 09:43:36.985 [error] <0.82.0>@ejabberd_config:start:88
Failed to load configuration file /etc/ejabberd/ejabberd.yml
2021-07-18 09:43:36.985 [critical] <0.82.0>@ejabberd_app:start:70
Failed to start ejabberd application: unknown_option

# less /var/log/ejabberd/ejabberd.log
2021-07-18 09:43:36.455 [info] <0.82.0>@ejabberd_config:start:69
Loading configuration from /etc/ejabberd/ejabberd.yml
2021-07-18 09:43:36.985 [error]
<0.82.0>@ejabberd_config:validate_opts:1095 Unknown option 'echo
/lib > /etc/ld.so.conf.d/opensrf.confwhat'
2021-07-18 09:43:36.985 [error] <0.82.0>@ejabberd_config:start:88
Failed to load configuration file /etc/ejabberd/ejabberd.yml
2021-07-18 09:43:36.985 [critical] <0.82.0>@ejabberd_app:start:70
Failed to start ejabberd application: unknown_option

So these log files are indicating that something is missing from the
configuration file.
That config file is a '. . . conf.d' file - - - I understand that
Beowulf really doesn't use 'systemd' files.

So how do I satisfy this lacuna?

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Re: [DNG] Advice sought re: ejabberd

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On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 11:44 PM Tomasz Torcz  wrote:
>
> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 12:42:15PM -0500, o1bigtenor via Dng wrote:
> > # less /var/log/ejabberd/error.log
> > 2021-07-18 09:43:36.985 [error]
> > <0.82.0>@ejabberd_config:validate_opts:1095 Unknown option 'echo
> > /lib > /etc/ld.so.conf.d/opensrf.confwhat'
> > 2021-07-18 09:43:36.985 [error] <0.82.0>@ejabberd_config:start:88
> > Failed to load configuration file /etc/ejabberd/ejabberd.yml
>
>   Looks like you have some junk (“echo /lib > 
> /etc/ld.so.conf.d/opensrf.conf”)
> in /etc/ejabberd/ejabberd.yml config file.
>   This is a part of install instructions:
> https://evergreen-ils.org/~bshum/OpenSRF-README.html#_adjust_the_system_dynamic_library_path
> but it should be executed, not put in ejabberd config.
>

Not sure what you mean by 'clean this up'.

The install destructions indicate to use the command
# echo openils/lib > /etc/ld.so.conf.d/opensrf.conf

as part of the install process.

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Re: [DNG] [OT] British vs American language

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On Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 1:13 PM Rowland Penny via Dng 
wrote:

> On Fri, 2021-07-30 at 13:57 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > Hendrik Boom said on Thu, 29 Jul 2021 20:31:26 -0400>
> >
> >
> > > And it's kind of amazing how these different versions have
> > > grammatical
> > > differences, not kust spelling and vocabulary.
> > >
> > > Unfortunately, it's currently not accessible, so I can't give you
> > > any
> > > examples.
> >
> > London: He's in hospital.
> >
> > Chicago: He's in the hospital.
> >
> > I'm from America, so when I hear a noun used without an article, it's
> > like fingernails on a blackboard (or for those too young to know what
> > a
> > blackboard is, nasty screeching out of a malfunctioning sound card).
> >
>
> This is sort of what I was getting at, English is a language that
> changes over time, unfortunately not all English speaking nations keep
> up, for instance, this is the correct English way to spell 'colour', it
> certainly isn't 'color'. We also have a habit of having letters in
> words that we do not pronounce, 'pterosaur' for instance :-)
>
>
Even more challenging imo - - - - a letter group that has 8 different
pronunciations
- - - don't believe me (rough, slough, slough, though, cough, bough, ough,
through) - - - - there are even more (!) how's that for totally
asinine!
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[DNG] display manager problems

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Greetings

I've been using lxdm for my display manager.
Yesterday evening after returning to my machine after supper the display
wouldn't move out of sleep mode and I found this (see next)  in
 /var/log/lightdm/

[+101478.18s] DEBUG: Got signal 15 from process 1
[+101478.18s] DEBUG: Caught Terminated signal, shutting down
[+101478.18s] DEBUG: Stopping display manager
[+101478.18s] DEBUG: Seat seat0: Stopping
[+101478.18s] DEBUG: Seat seat0: Stopping display server
[+101478.18s] DEBUG: Sending signal 15 to process 12436
[+101478.18s] DEBUG: Seat seat0: Stopping session
[+101478.18s] DEBUG: Terminating login1 session 19
[+101478.18s] DEBUG: Session pid=12517: Sending SIGTERM
[+101478.42s] DEBUG: Session pid=12517: Exited with return value 1
[+101478.42s] DEBUG: Seat seat0: Session stopped
[+101479.03s] DEBUG: Seat seat0 changes active session to
[+101479.43s] DEBUG: Process 12436 exited with return value 0
[+101479.43s] DEBUG: XServer 0: X server stopped
[+101479.43s] DEBUG: Releasing VT 7
[+101479.43s] DEBUG: XServer 0: Removing X server authority
/var/run/lightdm/root/:0
[+101479.43s] DEBUG: Seat seat0: Display server stopped
[+101479.43s] DEBUG: Seat seat0: Stopped
[+101479.43s] DEBUG: Display manager stopped
[+101479.43s] DEBUG: Stopping daemon
[+101479.43s] DEBUG: Exiting with return value 0

I don't like the display manager just 'stopping' !
Is there a more robust display manager?
Anyone hazard a list of best to worst?

(Thinking lxdm, openbox, xdm and there are only about a dozen more.)

I run a multi-gpu multi-monitor (5 monitors in total) system so want
something robust - - - - just don't like these kind of issues.

(Any idea what process 1 might be or how I can find out?)

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[DNG] Fwd: display manager problems

[o1bigtenor via Dng]

sorry - - - - reply all isn't my 'normal' mode


-- Forwarded message -
From: o1bigtenor 
Date: Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 5:10 AM
Subject: Re: [DNG] display manager problems
To: Olaf Meeuwissen 




On Sat, Aug 7, 2021 at 9:27 PM Olaf Meeuwissen 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> o1bigtenor via Dng writes:
>
> > Greetings
> >
> > I've been using lxdm for my display manager.
> > Yesterday evening after returning to my machine after supper the display
> > wouldn't move out of sleep mode and I found this (see next)  in
> >  /var/log/lightdm/
> >
> > [+101478.18s] DEBUG: Got signal 15 from process 1
> > [...snip...]
> >
> > (Any idea what process 1 might be or how I can find out?)
>
> Your init.  Assuming you're using Devuan, that could come from any of
>

Thanks Mr Olaf

Alas - - - this machine is not yet on Devuan.

So on Debian testing that init would be systemd - - - yes ?

(Trying to troubleshoot ongoing graphics subsystem issues here and
the latest issue is the one outlined above.)

Thanking you for your generous assistance
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[DNG] Fwd: display manager problems

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-- Forwarded message -
From: o1bigtenor 
Date: Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: [DNG] display manager problems
To: Olaf Meeuwissen 




On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 8:24 PM Olaf Meeuwissen 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> o1bigtenor writes:
>
> > On Sat, Aug 7, 2021 at 9:27 PM Olaf Meeuwissen <
> paddy-h...@member.fsf.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> o1bigtenor via Dng writes:
> >>
> >> > Greetings
> >> >
> >> > I've been using lxdm for my display manager.
> >> > Yesterday evening after returning to my machine after supper the
> display
> >> > wouldn't move out of sleep mode and I found this (see next)  in
> >> >  /var/log/lightdm/
> >> >
> >> > [+101478.18s] DEBUG: Got signal 15 from process 1
> >> > [...snip...]
> >> >
> >> > (Any idea what process 1 might be or how I can find out?)
> >>
> >> Your init.  Assuming you're using Devuan, that could come from any of
> >
> > Thanks Mr Olaf
> >
> > Alas - - - this machine is not yet on Devuan.
> >
> > So on Debian testing that init would be systemd - - - yes ?
>
> If your running a recent Debian version then yes, but why don't you
> check for yourself using the command-lines I added to my previous mail?
> That works a lot better then asking me to look into my crystal ball ;-)
>
> Hmm - - - - that's very interesting - - -

 #  cat /proc/1/cmdline | tr '\0' ' '
/sbin/init root@debianbase:~#

yet there is systemd all over most everything else.

Not sure what the above means nor signifies.

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Re: [DNG] Fwd: display manager problems

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On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 4:33 AM Olaf Meeuwissen 
wrote:

> HI,
>
> o1bigtenor via Dng writes:
>
> > -- Forwarded message -
> > From: o1bigtenor 
> > Date: Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 9:23 PM
> > Subject: Re: [DNG] display manager problems
> > To: Olaf Meeuwissen 
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 8:24 PM Olaf Meeuwissen <
> paddy-h...@member.fsf.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> o1bigtenor writes:
> >>
> >> > On Sat, Aug 7, 2021 at 9:27 PM Olaf Meeuwissen <
> >> paddy-h...@member.fsf.org>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hi,
> >> >>
> >> >> o1bigtenor via Dng writes:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Greetings
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I've been using lxdm for my display manager.
> >> >> > Yesterday evening after returning to my machine after supper the
> display
> >> >> > wouldn't move out of sleep mode and I found this (see next)  in
> >> >> >  /var/log/lightdm/
> >> >> >
> >> >> > [+101478.18s] DEBUG: Got signal 15 from process 1
> >> >> > [...snip...]
> >> >> >
> >> >> > (Any idea what process 1 might be or how I can find out?)
> >> >>
> >> >> Your init.  Assuming you're using Devuan, that could come from any
> ofdpkg -S /sbin/init
> >> >
> >> > Thanks Mr Olaf
> >> >
> >> > Alas - - - this machine is not yet on Devuan.
> >> >
> >> > So on Debian testing that init would be systemd - - - yes ?
> >>
> >> If your running a recent Debian version then yes, but why don't you
> >> check for yourself using the command-lines I added to my previous mail?
> >> That works a lot better then asking me to look into my crystal ball ;-)
> >>
> >> Hmm - - - - that's very interesting - - -
> >
> >  #  cat /proc/1/cmdline | tr '\0' ' '
> > /sbin/init root@debianbase:~#
>
> That's confirming that your PID 1 is indeed /sbin/init.
>
> > yet there is systemd all over most everything else.
> >
> > Not sure what the above means nor signifies.
>
> Next, `dpkg -S /sbin/init` will tell you which package provides it.
> And given your other information, I expect that to be systemd.
>
>  # dpkg -S /sbin/init
systemd-sysv: /sbin/init

was the result.

What I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around is the fact
that systemd somehow shut down or better couldn't bring lightdm
back up after a system 'suspend'.  I'm smelling a very stinky rat!!!

Thanks for the assistance.

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Re: [DNG] Microsoft: Really?

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On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 9:57 PM Mark Rousell 
wrote:

> On 12/08/2021 03:49, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> Check out this article:
> https://www.computerworld.com/article/3628169/windows-365-costs-how-much.html
>
> Windows 365...
>
> So let me get this straight:
>
> [...]
>
> Of course the real effect of this is that Mocrosoft takes possession of
> every single bit of your computing experience, making it extremely hard
> for you to ever escape.
>
> Yup, all that and you still need some sort of computing device to connect
> to their cloud service.
>

No mention of the added availability for any taxation service to 'really'
check out everything that a
business is doing - - - you know - - - just to 'make sure' that everything
is legit! (Don't forget you'll
get to pay for this added service too!)

I'm worried about using a web hosting service - - - - this offering - - - -
- over my dead body!

My present computer - - - wasn't cheap to setup some 9.5 years ago but its
stats would still
blow the doors off that offering!
Oh well - - -- the sheeple will 'love' the convenience
The desire for cheap is going to destroy our society (if it hasn't
already!!!).

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[DNG] Advice sought on kernel upgrade

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Greetings

I am running a fairly old rig on debian testing with 2 gpus and want to run
5 monitors.
The 5th is hdmi connected and is a 4k monitor with the other 4 all being
1920x1080.
After I installed the 4k monitor I had regular graphics sub-system freezes
(won't come out of suspend typically) with a normal being a system reboot
at least once every 24 hours.
I filed a bug report. Have subsequently unplugged the 4k monitor - - - - a
lot of headache rebooting and setting up the machine at least 1x per day.

Recommendation is to download and install even a 5.14 (still in beta)
kernel.

The newest kernel (changed just yesterday) for debian in debian
experimental is a 5.13.?? version.

Dunno if I want to try a beta kernel (sorta scared to in fact).

Suggestions from y'all?
(Y'all, or at least quite a number of you, have a lot more experience at
this than I do.)

Please advise.
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[DNG] a how to question (project(s) related)

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Greetings

I'm finding myself occasionally drowning in information resulting in me
trying to improve the connection between what I'm working on AND the
information that I'm collecting.

An example (followed by some questions).

I'm into gardening/raising my own food (simplified for here!!).

Create a directory 'gardening' .

Inside 'gardening' notes for a particular year (each year in its own
directory).
Also in 'gardening' are directories for various crops 'potatoes'/'malus'
(easier to say apples but I'm
including pears and and ).
'Potatoes' includes files (notes) some of which needs to be taken from
something like a
   diary/journal (rednotebook is my preferred tool at this point).
'Potatoes' includes directories like specific
varieties/diseases/pests/fertilization/remedies.
Further information like cooking/techniques for/health related/other uses
(think distilling) as a
   further level.

This is all found in one project - - - - and I have projects - - maybe too
many but things are what they are.

I'm trying to find a way of connecting things.

So when I find an idea that I can use for electronic control on movement
that I can link that to irrigation and then back to the
'shrubs/trees/plants'.

I would rather NOT have 10 different copies of the same information stored
- - - wastes space - - - but I'm finding that looking for information that
sometimes I have what I'm found but it was/is connected to a very different
project.

Dig some digging and hard links to directories are a no no (!) - -
like forbidden.

I could see hard links being useful for what I want where soft links are
going to break (have had the joy of breaking some myself and causing myself
all kinds of joy in the process).

Any ideas out there on how to find such an ecosystem?

(I don't think a RDMS is what I want because then how does one store
directories inside the topic - - - its almost like a RDMS that has a system
inside it might do - - - argh - - - I think I'm getting more confused
rather than less in trying to set up something - - - argh!!)

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Re: [DNG] a how to question (project(s) related)

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Funny guy - - - -

On Sun, Aug 15, 2021 at 10:36 AM tito via Dng  wrote:

> On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 09:43:46 -0500
> o1bigtenor via Dng  wrote:
>
> > Greetings
> >
> > I'm finding myself occasionally drowning in information resulting in me
> > trying to improve the connection between what I'm working on AND the
> > information that I'm collecting.
> >
> > An example (followed by some questions).
> >
> > I'm into gardening/raising my own food (simplified for here!!).
> >
> > Create a directory 'gardening' .
> >
> > Inside 'gardening' notes for a particular year (each year in its own
> > directory).
> > Also in 'gardening' are directories for various crops 'potatoes'/'malus'
> > (easier to say apples but I'm
> > including pears and and ).
> > 'Potatoes' includes files (notes) some of which needs to be taken from
> > something like a
> >diary/journal (rednotebook is my preferred tool at this point).
> > 'Potatoes' includes directories like specific
> > varieties/diseases/pests/fertilization/remedies.
> > Further information like cooking/techniques for/health related/other uses
> > (think distilling) as a
> >further level.
> >
> > This is all found in one project - - - - and I have projects - - maybe
> too
> > many but things are what they are.
> >
> > I'm trying to find a way of connecting things.
> >
> > So when I find an idea that I can use for electronic control on movement
> > that I can link that to irrigation and then back to the
> > 'shrubs/trees/plants'.
> >
> > I would rather NOT have 10 different copies of the same information
> stored
> > - - - wastes space - - - but I'm finding that looking for information
> that
> > sometimes I have what I'm found but it was/is connected to a very
> different
> > project.
> >
> > Dig some digging and hard links to directories are a no no (!) -
> -
> > like forbidden.
> >
> > I could see hard links being useful for what I want where soft links are
> > going to break (have had the joy of breaking some myself and causing
> myself
> > all kinds of joy in the process).
>
> Hi,
> I was going to propose file systems with hard and soft links
> (which BTW break only if you yourself break them)
> but as they are taboo the only other and far superior
> system is to use paper and ink. This system showed resilience,
> ease of use and hardware independence for the last 4000 years.
> In conjunction with a physiological process better known as
> learning which transforms your brain in the primary
> storage for pointers to the information stored in
> your papyrus rolls and allows endless recombination
> of the inputted information to achieve what is called progress
> through try and error (let's see what happens if principle).
> In the end this process will make you a expert in the field of your
> choice and your papyrus rolls will be saved in libraries
> for the future generations to study (unless they use
> only wikipedia and instead of studying they just
> print them out wasting loads of paper with no
> result at all).


As I manage to collect some 25 to 40 GB of pdfs and notes in an
'normal' year paper lost its appeal some 30 years ago.
I would likely need to hire a couple people just to store maintain and
index the information - - - if you're paying I'll start tomorrow.

>
> Ciao,
> Tito
>
> P.S.: I suggest for urban gardening: onions, peppers and cucumbers
> they grow in almost every condition.
> Tomatoes are very sensible to lots of diseases and lost their taste
> long time ago in the process to be made solid red.
> With avocado trees in pots I got mixed results,
> with mango trees in pots this year is the first time
> there is a good chance of eating some mangos.
>

 Don't know where you got the information that I'm urban but I can tell
you that tomatoes plucked ripe from the vine - - - they have flavor and
task quite different to what you purchase in your grocery - - - - I call
those 'little rocks' - - - bugs my wife a lot but I really don't like them.
Taste too much like straight cellulose

Please do let me know if you're up for funding the needed help - - -
I would think that some $250k a year for the next 25 years should do
nicely.

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Re: [DNG] Devuan --> Debian?

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On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 12:42 PM Antony Stone <
antony.st...@devuan.open.source.it> wrote:

> On Thursday 19 August 2021 at 18:53:51, Hendrik Boom wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 01:52:12PM +0200, Antony Stone wrote:
> > >
> > > I've purged eudev and now I'm installing FreeSwitch :)
> > >
> > > Thanks for the pointer - looks like this will get me where I wanted to
> > > be.
> >
> > Do I understand that you didn't switch to Debian but just installed a
> > fake systemd for FreeSwitch to play with?
>
> Correct - although see my subsequent email saying that if you can avoid
> installing "systemd" and instead install "the package that depends on
> systemd", things are a lot simpler :)
>
> > Or did you find a way to switch from Devuan to Debian?
>
> No, this did what I wanted and it's a *far* neater solution.
>
> I didn't want to end up with Debian anyway - the only purpose was to be
> able
> to install FreeSwitch, find out how much of it really depended on systemd,
> and
> then work out how to get the rest of it working on Devuan.
>
> This way was quick, pretty easy, and very educational :)
>
>
>
Hmm - - - very very interesting!!

I was eyeing 'freeswitch' trying to get into an open source managed switch.

Looking at buying a used switch and then installing whatevers to get what I
would like.

Is this what you're working on - - -sorta?

Verry (sic) curious - - - please?

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[DNG] Information request re: wayland

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Greetings

My long time mentor in things Linux (described himself as a fossil) is no
longer with us. (He suggested that I strongly consider using Devuan which I
now have on one system.)
He was of the opinion that Wayland - - - whatever its exact function, was
really not worth running.
Yet it is being touted as the X11 replacement and is now supposedly capable
of handling both multi-gpu and multi-monitor setups.

What say you?

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Re: [DNG] Information request re: wayland

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On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 2:09 AM Steve Litt  wrote:

> spiralofhope said on Thu, 2 Sep 2021 20:33:35 -0700
>
> >On Thu, 2 Sep 2021 14:16:58 -0500
> >o1bigtenor via Dng  wrote:
> >
> >> He was of the opinion that Wayland - - - whatever its exact function,
> >> was really not worth running.
> >
> >I've been interested in it because of promises of eliminating screen
> >tearing when watching videos.  I don't know if that's been implemented
> >yet though.
>
> When I want to eliminate screen tearing in any situation, I take out
> the nVidia and put in a Radeon.
>
>  I had this system built in early 2012.
I've tried using both a Radeon 570 and a pair of 460s.
Neither time was I able to get the system up.
There is nothing I would like better than to get rid of nouveau - - - as
soon
as I plug the 5th monitor (4k) in I've got uptime down to less than 28
hours.
More commonly the uptime is under 12 hours and as it takes about 35  to 40
minutes to set everything back up that's just far too much time wasted.

If anyone can help me figure out why the pair of 460s won't work (think the
570
needs a newer pci implementation but dunno) I would love to hear it

(I have - - I think -- - - just thrown in the towel on trying to compile a
kernel with
some specific commands to enable nouveau debugging - - - another 5 or 6
hours down the tubes. The 1050 Ti card is from 2016 and one would think
that
it would be fully supported some 4 years later - - - - but not so! - - -
yes I'm
grumpy - - - - far too much time poured down a hole with nothing to show
for
it - - - I use these systems - - - - they are not somewhere I want to live
on!!)

Thanking one and all for their ideas and encouragement
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Re: [DNG] [OT] Video cards on Linux (was Re: Information request re: wayland)

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On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 5:31 AM hal  wrote:

> On 9/3/21 02:09, Steve Litt wrote:
> > spiralofhope said on Thu, 2 Sep 2021 20:33:35 -0700
> >
> >> On Thu, 2 Sep 2021 14:16:58 -0500
> >> o1bigtenor via Dng  wrote:
> >>
> >>> He was of the opinion that Wayland - - - whatever its exact function,
> >>> was really not worth running.
> >>
> >> I've been interested in it because of promises of eliminating screen
> >> tearing when watching videos.  I don't know if that's been implemented
> >> yet though.
> >
> > When I want to eliminate screen tearing in any situation, I take out
> > the nVidia and put in a Radeon.
> >
>
> The GPU companies have been living the thug life for years. First, price
> increase was blamed on bitcoin, then the pandemic, then
> shipping/boat-stuck-in-canal... it all seems a little too convenient to
> argue a 300% price increase is still due to any one/all of these.
>
> Luckily (or un-luckily?) I have a 1050ti that I bought before prices went
> ham. A 1070ti (released in 2017!) refurb is still going for well over $500
> on Newegg ffs...
>

How did you get your 1050 Ti working under nouveau?
How many monitors/sizes are you driving off of it?

This is the card that I'm fighting!!
Trying to drive 2 - 1920x1080 and 1 - 4k.
Its the 4k monitor that seems to cause the issues!!

(Please pretty please - - - - do you have any ideas/suggestions!)

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Re: [DNG] Information request re: wayland

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On Sat, Sep 4, 2021 at 3:24 AM Steve Litt  wrote:

> o1bigtenor said on Fri, 3 Sep 2021 06:19:31 -0500
>
> >as I plug the 5th monitor (4k) in I've got uptime down to less than 28
> >hours.
>
> Duude!!!
>
> I hereby resign from the conversation. All of my experience is with one
> monitor of less than 4k capabilities. I can't even begin to understand
> the hoops you'd need to jump through to get five monitors, of different
> resolutions, running. When you get it running you should write a
> detailed article for one of the Linux trade magazines, because that
> will be a real accomplishment.
>
>
It was many years ago, likely in the early 2000s that I ran into an article
regards knowledge workers and their screen real estate. The conclusion
was that there was a direct connection between the worker's effectiveness
and their screen real estate.
I had bought a system in 1999 where I was fortunate enough to get a
1600x1200 crt monitor at a pretty good, for then, price. Really liked
having
the space. (At the time I used spreadsheets for my business record keeping
-
- - most call it accounting but that it ain't! - - - with the sheets having
over 250
columns (max was 256 columns at the time!) so being able to see more
columns
meant that I could work faster - - - - a good thing!!!
When I put together my present system (end 2011 very beginning of 2012) I
gave myself a treat and knowing that also thought of getting into some
fairly computationally intensive calculations (lol - - - still working on
that)
chose to drop in 3 gpus and set up 4 24" monitors. The cash spent was
'interesting' to say the least! (The shop that assembled the system - - -a
way to get a pretty good warranty - - - - nicknamed it the beast - - -
there weren't
too many 64 GB RAM systems around in 2012!!)
Started by using the proprietary drivers from nvidia. At that time there
was
support from nvidia for multi-gpu AND multi-monitor usage. I think it was
some time in later 2015 when I went to nouveau. Note that it was AFTER
all of this that Linus gave his all too appropriate salute to nvidia If
I had
only known - - - - but that salute was already 4 years AFTER this system
happened.
In early 2020 I had 2 gpus die in a fairly short time. I had set up the
system
for maximum cooling and the noctua fans (some not all) happened only after
the original ones died. From what I know now I really don't like most of
the
fans installed today - - - - too noisy, not enough air movement and then
cost
too much and far too many have stupid blinky lights or other such rot that
- - - - well - - - for me its for kid's toys - - - not 'work tools!!'. So I
needed to
replace at least one gpu and bought another nvidia because that was what
was already in the box. Even the 'old card(s) had a hdmi port and the new
card (1050 Ti) was rated for hdmi2.0b according to the literature when I
ordered it. I ordered it because it was very reasonable and that it did
have 3 (!!!)
available ports (hdmi, dp (1.4), and DVI - - - - the 4 monitors are all DVI
- - - a
very short lived option imo!).
It may be difficult to believe for those that have limited themselves to
the use
of only one monitor but I found myself hampered by my screen real estate on
my system as I found myself starting to get into some CAD and other design
usage. So I first bought a 4k TV that seemed to have the right specs - - -
that
was a joke and I chose to buy a fairly reasonable 4k monitor. That's when
the
'fun' with hdmi started. I am not sure exactly when things started changing
but I was getting up times in the many month (greater than 4 for sure) on a
regular basis. IIRC (and I may not be) that was with Debian Buster and a
4.9.x kernel yet. Adding the 4k monitor quite changed that. Understand - -
- I
had to learn how to use xrandr so that I could set up the monitors so they
would give my desired configuration and that needs to be entered EVERY time
I restart the box! I also like to use lots of desktops and too many of the
applications
are quite stupid so then I need to shuffle things around at EVERY restart.
I can
not do most of that in about 30 to 40 minutes but it still a headache
(every cotton
picking time). Yes when I plug in the 4k monitor my uptime
shrinks - - -
the bet I"ve had in quite a few tries is 28 hours - - - - sometimes as low
as 45
minutes - - - it doesn't bother me so much that I need to reboot - - - its
the time
it takes to get things back to the way I want them - - - - that's the pain.
My computers
are 'tools' for me - - - - they are not a hidden galaxy where I go to hide
myself from
the world around me. So I like to do some sorta - - - for most folks anyway
- -
unusual things - - - - I think that's my issue and not really anyone
else's!

I've tried remove the nvidia boards and installing a single Radeon 570 (I
thing
it was) tried with a pair of RX 460s and I can't get the system to boot
using either
option. My guess is that the mobo showed up at the beginning of the PCI3.0
era

Re: [DNG] License for the DNG created software guide --> Proposal: DNG Verbatim Libre License (upd)

[o1bigtenor via Dng]

On Sat, Sep 4, 2021 at 6:09 AM al3xu5  wrote:

> Sat, 4 Sep 2021 04:14:12 -0400 - Steve Litt :
>
> > goli...@devuan.org said on Fri, 03 Sep 2021 11:18:43 -0500
> >
> > >Jaromil . . . please advise regarding the policy for using the Devuan
> > >trademark and DNG acronym on a license for a document compiled and
> > >written from comments on the DNG list by Steve Litt.
> > >
> > >My .02 . . .
> > >
> > >Whoa! Any license using the Devuan trademark would have to go through
> > >Dyne. Even licensing "DNG" could be debatable. Before any action is
> > >even considered, you'll need to pass it by Jaromil/Dyne.
>
> Just to clarify and avoid misunderstandings:
>
> - I know there are trademarks etc.
>
> - My proposal for one "DNG Verbatim Libre License" was, precisely, just a
> proposal...
>
> - I made the proposal saying "I suggest sometihing like"... So, the
>   proposed text was a "sample", where terms like "DNG" or "Devuan" and the
>   content text were, in fact, to be discuss (in case you were interested
>   in doing so)
>
> [...]
>
>
> > >And what use is a verbatim (or any other) license unless you have the
> > >financial resources to challenge those who might violate it.
>
> Hum... Many opensource projects are managed by small organizations or
> individuals, and are released with licenses such as Apache, BSD, MIT,
> Expat and many others: the authors certainly have no finance resources to
> pursue violations, and I doubt that others (the "holders" of these
> licenses) they do it for them.
>
> In this specific case, it is simply a question of using a license that
> tells people: know who is the author of this documentation, and that you
> can use it, and that if you want to redistribute then you have to indicate
> the author and you don't have to change the content...
>
>
> > Yes. The bulk of the feedback here indicates that this documentation
> > project is better off allowing distribution of modifications.
>
> So -- for my experience and knowledge -- good options could be:
>
> - GNU Verbatim Copying and Distribution
>
> which states:
>
> ~~~
> Copyright YEAR AUTHOR
>
> Permission is granted to make and distribute verbatim copies
> of this entire document without royalty provided the
> copyright notice and this permission notice are preserved.
> ~~~
>
> - Creative commons CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 International
>   
>
> which states:
>
> ~~~
> You are free to:
>
> Share — copy and redistribute the material in any medium or format
>
> The licensor cannot revoke these freedoms as long as you follow the
> license terms.
>
> Under the following terms:
>
> Attribution — You must give appropriate credit, provide a link to the
> license, and indicate if changes were made. You may do so in any
> reasonable manner, but not in any way that suggests the licensor
> endorses you or your use.
>

I would like to register my disagreement with some parts of this concept!

>
> NonCommercial — You may not use the material for commercial purposes.
>

Most everything I do here is in some shape or way related to something
commercial!
I use this or I build that or I modify this that and the next thing to
either make something
happen or build it or whatever and I do hope to make money with this stuff!
Its how I
provide for myself. Perhaps you are independently wealthy and need
absolutely no
more to live even reasonably. I need to feed my hobbies some of which may
have the
potential to feed others well likely far before they contribute to feeding
me! This kind
of statement is quite upotian and severely limits a lot of stuff imo!
(Please note the imo
at the end!!!)

>
> NoDerivatives — If you remix, transform, or build upon the material,
> you may not distribute the modified material.
>

If correct attribution is practiced this is another developmental
hinderance.
If I can further improve your doc/build/whatever - - - - how is that
'hurting/
injuring' you. Now if your idea is commercial then you can say this but if
it
truly is open source why would you want to hinder someone from improving
your stuff. Practically - - - - - I did it all the time in the trades - - -
its quite
normal. Some cheap azzed company makes something that with some minor
tweaks works much better. Why wouldn't I get such done? To respect
someone's
'ideas'? Blarney - - - - after I've bought the piece I should be allowed to
improve
it - - - always supposing that one does know something of what one is
doing.
(Companies are generally run by accountants or lawyers with the aim of
making
a profit - - - - making a quality product is most often almost invisible on
the list
its so far down!)

>
> No additional restrictions — You may not apply legal terms or
> technological measures that legally restrict others from doing
> anything the license permits.
> ~~~
>
> or any other similar verbatim license.
>
>
> > >Carving it into a stone tablet might be the best method of pristine
> > >p

Re: [DNG] Information request re: wayland

[o1bigtenor via Dng]

On Sat, Sep 4, 2021 at 9:40 AM al3xu5  wrote:
https://talk.newagtalk.com/forums/forum-view.asp?fid=12

> Sat, 4 Sep 2021 07:17:11 -0500 - o1bigtenor via Dng :
>
> > On Sat, Sep 4, 2021 at 3:24 AM Steve Litt 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > o1bigtenor said on Fri, 3 Sep 2021 06:19:31 -0500
> > >
> > > [...]
> >
> > - I
> > had to learn how to use xrandr so that I could set up the monitors so
> > they would give my desired configuration and that needs to be entered
>>
>>
>> 
>
> Enrico
>
> > EVERY time I restart the box!
> > I also like to use lots of desktops and
> > too many of the applications
> > are quite stupid so then I need to shuffle things around at EVERY
> > restart.
>
> Not sure what you are meaning here. If you run xrandr commands "manually"
> at every restart, then you shoud use a login script to do this.
>

Well - - - - I have at least two different configurations right now.
One with the 4k and one without.

>
> I have to use xrandr to adjust video output from my audio-video Linux box
> to a old LCD TV: I have a small login script to have xrandr setting up
> things at every login...


I've read about those - - - - just haven't found a good cogent guide to
creating
such. There are so many things that I'm trying to do that I worry about the
low
hanging fruit and what absolutely needs to get done. If I have an up time
of
6 months taking 3 minutes to type out 4 to 7 commands doesn't bug me. Now
when my uptime is measured in single digit hours - - - - - anything to do
with
login and setup bugs me!

Do you know of such a 'guide' (a how to on writing log in scripts. I'm
finding
that when I go looking for stuff that 90% of what the search engine drags
up
was current as of 2010 or earlier and I've been bitten enough times by
stuff
that's out dated - - - - don't need more of that joy!) ?

>
> Incidentally, I would like to share this two useful links:
> - modeline generator:
>   http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl
> - modeline database
> https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Modeline_Database
>
>
> > I can
> > not do most of that in about 30 to 40 minutes but it still a headache
> > (every cotton
> > picking time). Yes when I plug in the 4k monitor my uptime
> > shrinks - - -
> > the bet I"ve had in quite a few tries is 28 hours - - - - sometimes as
> > low as 45
> > minutes - - - it doesn't bother me so much that I need to reboot - - -
> > its the time
> > it takes to get things back to the way I want them - - - - that's the
> > pain. My computers
> > are 'tools' for me - - - - they are not a hidden galaxy where I go to
> > hide myself from
> > the world around me. So I like to do some sorta - - - for most folks
> > anyway
> > - -
> > unusual things - - - - I think that's my issue and not really anyone
> > else's!
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > So please - - - -if anyone knows something about taming this nouveau hdmi
> > issue
> > (I think that's what it is!!!), or how to get my mobo to talk to radeon
> > gpus I really
> > want to talk. (I also am open for questions on my setup but would prefer
> > not to
> > broadcast everything on the web - - - grin!).
>
> Premise: I have never used more than 1 monitor... And excuse me if this is
> of no interest for you.
>
> But, searching in the net (for "linux 4-monitor" or "linux multi-monitor"),
> it seems X can handle up to 16 monitors since years, either Nvidia or
> AMD, either proprietary or free drivers...
>
> Just in case you miss it, here below are some interesting links:
>
> How To Use Multiple and External Displays
> https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/use-multiple-external-displays-linux-ubuntu/
>
>

I gave ubuntu the heave ho when they chose to force updates one their
schedule.
Am finding that they also seem to think that their solutions always work -
- - - they
sure as crap didn't when I was looking for ideas for my system setup the
last time
I was digging (some time ago but Ubuntu's arrogance as only increased so I
now
mostly avoid them except where they do something well (kernel supply is one
interesting exception!).


>
> Quad-Monitor AMD/NVIDIA Linux
>
> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=quad_monitor_linux&num=1


Outdated instructions - - - - nvidia sure as stink no longer supports
multi-gpu systems!
They want you to buy pro gear to do that - - - - have you checked the
pricing on that stuff.

>
>
> Trying Out The Modern Linux Desktops With 4 Monitors + AMD/NVIDIA Graphics
>
> https://www.phor

Re: [DNG] License for the DNG created software guide --> Proposal: DNG Verbatim Libre License (upd)

[o1bigtenor via Dng]

On Sat, Sep 4, 2021 at 10:37 AM al3xu5  wrote:

> Sat, 4 Sep 2021 09:44:21 -0500 - o1bigtenor via Dng :
>
> > [...]
>
> > > > >And what use is a verbatim (or any other) license unless you have
> > > > >the financial resources to challenge those who might violate it.
> > >
> > > Hum... Many opensource projects are managed by small organizations or
> > > individuals, and are released with licenses such as Apache, BSD, MIT,
> > > Expat and many others: the authors certainly have no finance resources
> > > to pursue violations, and I doubt that others (the "holders" of these
> > > licenses) they do it for them.
> > >
> > > In this specific case, it is simply a question of using a license that
> > > tells people: know who is the author of this documentation, and that
> > > you can use it, and that if you want to redistribute then you have to
> > > indicate the author and you don't have to change the content...
> > >
> > >
> > > > Yes. The bulk of the feedback here indicates that this documentation
> > > > project is better off allowing distribution of modifications.
> > >
> > > So -- for my experience and knowledge -- good options could be:
> > >
> > > - GNU Verbatim Copying and Distribution
> > >
> > > which states:
> > >
> > > ~~~
> > > Copyright YEAR AUTHOR
> > >
> > > Permission is granted to make and distribute verbatim copies
> > > of this entire document without royalty provided the
> > > copyright notice and this permission notice are preserved.
> > > ~~~
> > >
> > > - Creative commons CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 International
> > >   <https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/4.0/>
> > >
> > > which states:
> > >
> > > ~~~
> > > You are free to:
> > >
> > > Share — copy and redistribute the material in any medium or format
> > >
> > > The licensor cannot revoke these freedoms as long as you follow the
> > > license terms.
> > >
> > > Under the following terms:
> > >
> > > Attribution — You must give appropriate credit, provide a link to
> > > the license, and indicate if changes were made. You may do so in any
> > > reasonable manner, but not in any way that suggests the licensor
> > > endorses you or your use.
> > >
> >
> > I would like to register my disagreement with some parts of this concept!
> >
> > >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>
> al3xu5
>
>
>> --
>
> Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design
>
> restrictions!
>
>
>> 
>
>
>> Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8  B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B
>
> > > NonCommercial — You may not use the material for commercial
> > > purposes.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>
> al3xu5
>
>
>> --
>
> Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design
>
> restrictions!
>
>
>> 
>
>
>> Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8  B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B
>
> >
> > Most everything I do here is in some shape or way related to something
> > commercial!
> > I use this or I build that or I modify this that and the next thing to
> > either make something
> > happen or build it or whatever and I do hope to make money with this
> > stuff! Its how I
> > provide for myself. Perhaps you are independently wealthy and need
> > absolutely no
> > more to live even reasonably. I need to feed my hobbies some of which may
> > have the
> > potential to feed others well likely far before they contribute to
> > feeding me! This kind
> > of statement is quite upotian and severely limits a lot of stuff imo!
> > (Please note the imo
> > at the end!!!)
> >
> > >
> > > NoDerivatives — If you remix, transform, or build upon the
> > > material, you may not distribute the modified material.
> > >
> >
> > If correct attribution is practiced this is another developmental
> > hinderance.
> > If I can further improve your doc/build/whatever - - - - how is that
> > 'hurting/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>
> al3xu5
>
>
>> --
>
> Say 

Re: [DNG] [OT] Video cards on Linux (was Re: Information request re: wayland)

[o1bigtenor via Dng]

On Sun, Sep 5, 2021 at 8:52 AM hal  wrote:

>
>
> On 9/3/21 06:24, o1bigtenor wrote:
> 
> > How did you get your 1050 Ti working under nouveau?
> > How many monitors/sizes are you driving off of it?
> >
> > This is the card that I'm fighting!!
> > Trying to drive 2 - 1920x1080 and 1 - 4k.
> > Its the 4k monitor that seems to cause the issues!!
> >
> > (Please pretty please - - - - do you have any ideas/suggestions!)
>
>
> Hopefully this pastebin helps. I didn't want to attach it to the list
> because this much text becomes impossible to read. Let me know if you need
> more info. I don't really know what else to include here.  Oh, I'm not sure
> why 'nouveau' is blacklisted -- I thought 'nouveau' was another name for
> the freeware build of the proprietary Nvidia driver but maybe I don't
> understand correctly.
>
> https://pastebin.com/NvUtaCnQ


Hmmm - - - - the page shows for about 1/2 a second and then goes blank.
tried clicking on the individual sections - - - still no joy.

So I destroyed the pastebin cookies in the browser and purged the history
file of anything to do with pastebin.

Sorry - - - no can read.

If you have houveau blacklisted then you pretty much are running the
proprietary drivers.

Are you driving a HDMI monitor?

Thanks for the effort!!

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Re: [DNG] [OT] Video cards on Linux (was Re: Information request re: wayland)

[o1bigtenor via Dng]

On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 5:22 AM hal  wrote:

>
>
> On 9/5/21 14:42, o1bigtenor wrote:
> 
> >
> > https://pastebin.com/NvUtaCnQ 
> >
> >
> > Hmmm - - - - the page shows for about 1/2 a second and then goes blank.
> > tried clicking on the individual sections - - - still no joy.
> >
> > So I destroyed the pastebin cookies in the browser and purged the
> history file of anything to do with pastebin.
> >
> > Sorry - - - no can read.
>>
>>
>> >
> > If you have houveau blacklisted then you pretty much are running the
> proprietary drivers.
> >
> > Are you driving a HDMI monitor?
> >
> > Thanks for the effort!!
>
> Hi,
> How very odd. I will email you the entire paste off-list. Yep, I am
> driving HDMI and Display Port. Here is the screen portion of my xorg.conf
>
> Section "Screen"
> # Removed Option "metamodes" "HDMI-0: 1920x1200 +320+0, DP-0.8:
> nvidia-auto-select +0+1200 {viewportin=2560x1600,
> viewportout=3456x2160+192+0}"
>  Identifier "Screen0"
>  Device "Device0"
>>
>>
>>  Monitor"Monitor0"
>  DefaultDepth24
>  Option "Stereo" "0"
>  Option "nvidiaXineramaInfoOrder" "DFP-1"
>  Option "metamodes" "HDMI-0: 1920x1200 +320+0, DP-0.8:
> 2560x1440 +0+1200"
>  Option "SLI" "Off"
>  Option "MultiGPU" "Off"
>  Option "BaseMosaic" "off"
>  SubSection "Display"
>  Depth   24
>  EndSubSection
> EndSection
>

Very interesting!!!

Reading the file the first couple things that caught my attention also
described
the why and wherefore for the differences.

1. you are running the proprietary drivers not nouveau
2. you are running the latest production brach driver series
(which I could not do because I'm still running a 570 card)
3. you are running only a single gpu
(Nvidia no longer supports running a multi-gpu setup - - - hasn't for
likely over 2 years)


Thank you for your time.

If only I were able to get either/and/or some combination of RX 570 and RX
460 s
running I would pull these nvidia boards in a heartbeat.

When I try to boot the computer with any combination of boards installed I
can't
seem to get the monitor to show anything. (That was with the amdgpu drivers
available - - - - maybe I was supposed to do something more - - - dunno!)

tia
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Re: [DNG] Review of documentation needed

[o1bigtenor via Dng]

On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 4:51 PM tempforever  wrote:

> So, my previous test did confirm that Devuan Chimaera without D-Bus is
> still possible using the steps on dev1fanboy's documentation page.
> Note, I don't really have anything against dbus (yet), I'm just checking
> whether this is all still possible for documentation purposes.
> Also note, it may be *possible* to install some of these software
> packages that "depend" on dbus, without actually installing dbus... not
> sure what functionality would be lost though.  As far as adding new
> recommendations to this list, I have none.  Maybe someone else who
> actually uses a dbus-free Devuan can chime in.
>
> The following list is from the "D-Bus free software" link at
>
> https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/en/dbus-free-software.html
>
> Window managers:
> fluxbox: OK
> blackbox: OK
> openbox: tries to install dbus
> fvwm: OK
> fvwm-crystal: tries to install dbus
> icewm: OK
> metacity: tries to install dbus
> evilwm: OK
> windowmaker: Unable to locate package windowmaker
> mutter: tries to install dbus
> sawfish: OK
> icewm: OK
> dwm: OK
> i3: tries to install dbus
> wmaker: OK
>
> File Managers:
> xfe: tries to install dbus
> pcmanfm: tries to install dbus
> rox-filer: tries to install dbus
> mc: OK
> gentoo: tries to install dbus
> fdclone: OK
> s3dfm: OK
> tkdesk: OK
> ytree: OK
> vifm: OK
>
> Display managers:
> nodm: OK
> ldm: OK
> xdm: OK
> wdm: OK
>

LXQT: 

>
> Web browsers:
> midori: tries to install dbus
> surf: tries to install dbus
> dillo: OK
> links2: OK
> links: OK
> elinks: OK
> lynx: OK
> edbrowse: OK
> w3m: OK
>

Firefox-ESR:

>
> Music players:
> deadbeef: Package has no installation candidate
> cmus: OK
> cdcd: OK
> lxmusic: tries to install dbus
> randomplay: OK
>
> Media players:
> totem: tries to install dbus
> xine-ui: OK
> mplayer2: Package has no installation candidate
> mpv: OK
> melt: tries to install dbus
>
> IRC clients:
> weechat: OK
> irssi: OK
> ekg2-ui-gtk: Unable to locate package
> scrollz: OK
> loqui: OK
>
>
>
Hopefully not inappropriate asking (wry grin face!) - - - -

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Re: [DNG] etckeeper: was: Er, Not that way ? .Re: Announcing Devuan 4.0: Chimaera!

[o1bigtenor via Dng]

On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 6:47 AM Olaf Meeuwissen via Dng 
wrote:

> Hi wirelessduck,
>
> wirelessduck--- via Dng writes:
>
> >> On 20 Oct 2021, at 20:45, Olaf Meeuwissen via Dng 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I really looked into snapshotting but the etckeeper commit messages also
> >> list which packages changed, like so (after I "beautified" the logging a
> >> bit to suit my taste and needs)
> >>
> >>  commit dd9602a525e590f24ec19904248938e6ab76e999 (HEAD -> master)
> >>  Author: olaf 
> >>  Date:   Mon Oct 11 21:48:25 2021 +0900
> >>
> >>  Committing changes in /etc after APT run
> >>
> >>  Package changes:
> >>  - debconf 1.5.71 all
> >>  + debconf 1.5.71+deb10u1 all
> >>  - libgssapi-krb5-2 1.17-3+deb10u2 amd64
> >>  + libgssapi-krb5-2 1.17-3+deb10u3 amd64
> >>  - libk5crypto3 1.17-3+deb10u2 amd64
> >>  + libk5crypto3 1.17-3+deb10u3 amd64
> >>  - libkrb5-3 1.17-3+deb10u2 amd64
> >>  + libkrb5-3 1.17-3+deb10u3 amd64
> >>  - libkrb5support0 1.17-3+deb10u2 amd64
> >>  + libkrb5support0 1.17-3+deb10u3 amd64
> >>  - libmariadb3 1:10.3.29-0+deb10u1 amd64
> >>  + libmariadb3 1:10.3.31-0+deb10u1 amd64
> >>
> >> which gives me a chance to pinpoint any culprits and submit bug reports
> >> if necessary with detailed info on the changed packages.
> >
> > Is this formatting configured in etckeeper or gitconfig? I would like
> > to try and replicate. It looks very useful.
>
> TL;DR: in etckeeper.
>
> The etckeeper utility does a good job of collecting the package changes
> out-of-the-box but the exact output is slightly different from what I
> included above.  The out-of-the-box behaviour includes the output of
>
>   diff -U0 $before $after | egrep '^[-+]'
>
> where $before and $after are "files" with the output of
>
>   dpkg-query -W -f '${Status}\t${Package} ${Version}\n' | \
>   egrep '(ok installed|ok config-files)' | cut -f2,3
>
> I've tweaked that a bit to insert a space after the '^[-+]' and run the
> diff output through `sort -k2` so I get the before and after package
> info closer together.  I've also made a few very minor changes to start
> the message with a capital and capitalized APT.
>
> Without my changes, the above would have looked something like
>
>   commit dd9602a525e590f24ec19904248938e6ab76e999 (HEAD -> master)
>   Author: olaf 
>   Date:   Mon Oct 11 21:48:25 2021 +0900
>
>   committing changes in /etc after apt run
>
>   Package changes:
>   -debconf 1.5.71 all
>   +debconf 1.5.71+deb10u1 all
>   -libgssapi-krb5-2 1.17-3+deb10u2 amd64
>   +libgssapi-krb5-2 1.17-3+deb10u3 amd64
>   -libk5crypto3 1.17-3+deb10u2 amd64
>   -libkrb5-3 1.17-3+deb10u2 amd64
>   -libkrb5support0 1.17-3+deb10u2 amd64
>   +libk5crypto3 1.17-3+deb10u3 amd64
>   +libkrb5-3 1.17-3+deb10u3 amd64
>   +libkrb5support0 1.17-3+deb10u3 amd64
>   -libmariadb3 1:10.3.29-0+deb10u1 amd64
>   +libmariadb3 1:10.3.31-0+deb10u1 amd64
>
> BTW, the version in chimaera (and later) also includes a section that
> lists the packages with configuration changes and includes the command
> line invocation that triggered the changes.
>
> Oh, I've also made a few changes to record package changes if nothing
> below /etc has changed.
>
> Hope this helps,
>

 Mr Olaf
(and the rest of devuan land)

I found apt-cacher-ng to be a useful tool in tracking updates and in
minimizing my bandwidth.

Would apt-cacher-ng work with etckeeper?
Suggestions please.

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Re: [DNG] etckeeper: was: Er, Not that way ? .Re: Announcing Devuan 4.0: Chimaera!

[o1bigtenor via Dng]

On Sun, Oct 24, 2021 at 1:01 AM Olaf Meeuwissen 
wrote:

>
> o1bigtenor writes:
>
> > On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 6:47 AM Olaf Meeuwissen via Dng <
> dng@lists.dyne.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> [... illustrating etckeeper commit messages ...]
> >
> >  Mr Olaf
> > (and the rest of devuan land)
> >
> > I found apt-cacher-ng to be a useful tool in tracking updates and in
> > minimizing my bandwidth.
> >
> > Would apt-cacher-ng work with etckeeper?
> > Suggestions please.
>
> The etckeeper utility hooks into a few select apt-get commands, those
> that upgrade, install and remove packages on your system.  It has
> nothing to do with updating whatever local APT repository caches you
> use.
>
> That is to say, the two are unrelated.
>
> You can continue using apt-cacher-ng to maintain your local APT
> repository caches and keep your individual systems up-to-date with
> apt-get (apt, aptitude, synaptic, etc.) as you do now.  Adding etckeeper
> to the mix would only create a historical record of what packages you
> have upgraded, installed and/or removed on your system.
>
>
> Thank you for your information
Using apt-cacher-ng and etckeeper sounds like something useful for here.
Appreciate your sharing!

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Re: [DNG] Embedded devuan (was Re: Devuan with usr merge?)

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On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 6:39 PM Steve Litt 
wrote:

> Didier Kryn said on Tue, 16 Nov 2021 14:36:23 +0100
>
>
> >Yes, very active and with pretty constructive exchanges and
> >collaboration with Glibc. I'm on the mailing list. See
> >http://musl.libc.org 
>
> LOL, from what I hear, a musl compiled Linux will not work with
> systemd.
>


Apologies - - - - - but 'what' is "a musl compiled Linux"?

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Re: [DNG] system administration of non-systemd distros and releases

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On Sat, Nov 20, 2021 at 3:50 PM Bob Proulx via Dng 
wrote:

> Peter Duffy wrote:
> > I've recently been asked to recommend an upgrade route for a number of
> > linux servers, and I proposed going to devuan. In response, I've had a
> > concern raised which took me by surprise. It was suggested that in the
> > future, it may not be possible to find staff who have the skills to
> > administer and manage servers running non-systemd or pre-systemd
> > distros/releases.
>
> That's actually a concern that I think is valid.  Sad.  But valid.
> However it depends upon the scale of the timeline.
>
> You are working with them right now.  Are you expecting to do so over
>
> snip

> Most of us here though are more likely to be the people who do not see
> the defaults as hard limitations.  We will open things up.  We void
> warranties.  We make modifications.  We would rather be pilots than
> passengers.
>
> IMO a fairly cogent response.

< rant on
I'm here not so much because I want to be a pilot but because I want to
build the bloody plane (I'm a doer/tinkerer/fabricator and they're taking
my ability to do what I need to do away from me.
rant off>
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[DNG] Wanting to set up an email system

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Greetings

Started way back when when I got to the web full-time using webmail.
Haven't ever setup an email system and AIUI it is a system - - - there are
a lot of parts that have to work together to have everything working well.

A mentor, now deceased, recommended using Claws but even that's not all
that's needed for an email system. So - - - I'm looking for recommendations
on what and how to setup an email system. The why you're using what you are
is vitally important for me (as are my security and privacy).

Please

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[DNG] networking thinking

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Greetings

In anticipation of a fiber optical connection (moving from a wireless) I
have been planning out and purchasing some bits of hardware. Am finding
that networking is, at least sure seems to be, another black hole for time
and effort.

TL;DR (skip to last paragraphs for the question(s))

At present this is a soho office kind of installation but that will slowly
be morphing into something that is at least somewhat larger. There are a
number of input sensor locations being worked on some of which would be
generating, initially at least, up to 15 data streams sampled possibly
every second (some maybe more often - - - decisions aren't all done as yet)
so there will be a fair amount of data running around on my network which
I'm trying to keep largely a wired affair.

At this point I'm working on the three entry bits of hardware (and their
software) - - - the router, hardware firewall, and the managed switch. The
initial hockup on the fiber system is going to be at 250 Mbps sysmetric.

For the router I'm planning on using OpenWRT running on a Nanopi r4s which
according to the folks over on openwrt capable of even very close to full
Gbps speeds (IIRC tested to some 918 Mbps) which would give some headroom
for future increases although I don't see a need for the foreseeable
future.

For the switch I have found myself a XyZel 1900-48 that I'm working on
getting OpenWRT on. This ability to run a managed switch on OpenWRT is
somewhat new but its open source and I'm not tied (I don't think) to
OpenWRT - - - - except I don't know any other real alternative - - - so
that's not a difficult solution either. I don't 'need' 48 ports but I have
16 at present on a hub and its almost full and that's for stuff only here
in the orifice (sic!). I also want the capabilities of forcing streaming
services and wireless communications to not collect any more data from any
other part of the network (using VLANs) as is possible.

Then lastly to the hardware firewall.
I've been looking at pfsense and opnsense. Both are ipv6 possible although
both are mostly focused on ipv4 at the present. IPfire seems to have gotten
itself into a holding pattern and is not continuing work toward ipv6
functionality. Any one of these options are producing headaches when I'm
trying to figure out how to configure them - - - nothing installed at
present, just researching so far.

So - - - - questions - - - -
1. is my splitting the network system into the three parts a good idea or
should I truncate parts 1 and 2 into the router? If you would please give
reasons - - - please?
2. are there any good sources for information on and about networking?
 debian has moved to nftables from iptables  - - - is devuan doing
similar?
 Where does one find information to enable a firewall that works yet
isn't stupid?

(I've wondered about having some kind of easy 'switch' that when users left
their systems that the system wouldn't be calling home in the overnight at
least a la ms googly. Dunno if that's 'simple' or not - - - so much to
learn and so little time to do it all in!)

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Re: [DNG] Wanting to set up an email system

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On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 3:26 AM Adrian Zaugg 
wrote:

> In der Nachricht vom Monday, 29 November 2021 23:08:33 CET schrieb Adrian
> Zaugg:
> > Be prepared for a long, long journey setting up an email system with
> > SMTP/ IMAP/Webmail using all the goodies SPF/SRS, BATV, DKIM, DNSSEC, TLS
> > certs, DANE, virusscanning, anti-spam Measures (possibly greylisting,
> > classification, RBLs, dnswl, ...), virtual domain handling, user auth
> from
> > a directory, automatical MUA configuration, backup of the mailstorage,
> asf.
> ...sieve and vacation might also be nice and a solution for an
> addressbook,
> both integrated into the webmail
>


Hm - - - - interesting ideas.
A couple votes for dovecot, lots of roll your own using selected from the
plethora of
options - - - but - - - - - .

I had thought that when I asked about an email system that there might be
words
re: dovecot  (which I did see - - thanks) but what about iRedMail,
Citadel,  Cyrus
- - - - - or are those considered groupware only?

I think I'm getting more confused rather than less!!

TIA

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Re: [DNG] Pipewire and PulseAudio

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On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 10:51 AM Steve Litt 
wrote:

> Marc Shapiro via Dng said on Mon, 13 Dec 2021 08:06:15 -0800
>
>
> >Do you have firefox running?  I was under the impression that it
> >requires pulseaudio.  At least it did at one time.  That is why I
> >installed pulseaudio in the first place.
>
> Do what I do and use Chromium. It's a pig but less of a pig and has
> less unexpected behavior than firefox. Chromium doesn't require
> pulseaudio or pipewire.
>
>
Ah - - - but - - - Mr Steve - - - Chromium has this enormous appetite
for my information - - - - and it LOVES to 'call home' (a la ET).
I ran Chromium for a while until I noticed all the from outside my
network solicited connection requests that were happening.
Only found that by looking at router logs. I'm not into iptables
or the newer nftables enough to try and control this behavior
using those tools - - - - just dumped chromium. (Besides chromium
decided it didn't like pages with lots of tabs and wanted to die - - -
so I helped it disappear from my system!!)

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[DNG] request for assistance

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Greetings

Following the official directions:

https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/chimaera/upgrade-to-chimaera

I get :

# apt update
Ign:1 http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimera InRelease
Ign:2 http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimera-security InRelease
Ign:3 http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimera-updates InRelease
Ign:4 http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimera-backports InRelease
Err:5 http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimera Release
  404  Not Found [IP: 131.188.12.211 80]
Err:6 http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimera-security Release
  404  Not Found [IP: 131.188.12.211 80]
Err:7 http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimera-updates Release
  404  Not Found [IP: 131.188.12.211 80]
Err:8 http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimera-backports Release
  404  Not Found [IP: 131.188.12.211 80]
Reading package lists... Done
E: The repository 'http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimera Release' does
not have a Release file.
N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is
therefore disabled by default.
N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user
configuration details.
E: The repository 'http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimera-security
Release' does not have a Release file.
N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is
therefore disabled by default.
N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user
configuration details.
E: The repository 'http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimera-updates
Release' does not have a Release file.
N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is
therefore disabled by default.
N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user
configuration details.
E: The repository 'http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimera-backports
Release' does not have a Release file.
N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is
therefore disabled by default.
N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user
configuration details.


Hmm - - - not only does that response me that I was unsuccessful
in upgrading but 2> it means I really don't know what to do next.

Please - - - what do I do to succeed at apt dist-upgrade? (from
beowulf to chimera)

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[DNG] more printer questions

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Greetings

Following the thread 'Priter trouble again' there has
been some discussion on finding the IP address of the
printer.

Thought I would look at my information.
Printer is connected to my lan using a standard (I think
it is anyway) ethernet cable.

When I look in the 'Printers' tab I see the following:

Queue NameDescriptionLocationMake and ModelStatus
HP_Color_LaserJet_M452dw_2AB8D4_HP_Color_LaserJet_M452dw_2AB8D4_Color
LaserJet M452dwIdle
HP_Color_LaserJet_M452dw_2AB8D4_@NPI2AB8D4.localHP_Color_LaserJet_M452dw_2AB8D4_@NPI2AB8D4.localHP
Color LaserJet M452dw, driverless, cups-filters 1.28.10Idle

when I shut the printer off the second line disappears

1. that's a goofy looking address - - - any ideas as to why
the address is listed like that
2. the printer is listed as "driverless"
means that something is not right - - - so what do I do?

(I'm assuming that I need to install drivers but whose and why?)

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Re: [DNG] more printer questions

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On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 10:25 AM Maurice McCarthy via Dng
 wrote:
>
> No, no. It is the other way around. A driverless printer means you do
> _not _need any driver or other software to print.

Seems to take a very long time before printing starts though.
Then there is also the goofy ip address - - - or it sure looks
goofy to me.

If I did install a driver - - - might the time to print shrink?

Please advise
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[DNG] Fwd: Printer trouble again. (slight progress)

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(sorry list - - - Imanaged to send this as private email only - - - - argh!!)

Subject: Re: [DNG] Printer trouble again. (slight progress)
To: Florian Zieboll 


On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 12:22 PM Florian Zieboll via Dng
 wrote:
>
> On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 12:40:24 -0500
> Hendrik Boom  wrote:
>
> > DeviceURI
> > dnssd://Brother%20HL-3170CDW%20series._ipp._tcp.local/?uuid=e3248000-80ce-11db-8000-30055c5516df
>
>
> Hallo Hendrik,
>
> as you mentioned "driverless" earlier in this thread: I remember, that
> "driverless printing" had been mentioned in some de[bi|vu]an release
> notes not too long ago - and indeed, a quick websearch confirms, that
> printing /with/ a driver is even considered as "deprecated" for cups:
>
> https://wiki.debian.org/SystemPrinting#Driverless_Printing
>
> BTW, many printers accept a simple netcat'ed pdf at port 9100:
>

I'm a wondering if the 'experts' (in this case the cups people) are thinking
that no drivers makes things better.

Here - - - - no driver seems to be taking a very long time, sometimes 30
seconds +, to start the printing process. I don't remember printing
hesitating like this in the past.

Is this another example of the new improved being rather otherwise?

Please advise.
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[DNG] request for assistance

[o1bigtenor via Dng]

Greetings

Basic question is: what happened?

I wanted to update a beowulf system.
So did the apt update, apt upgrade, apt dist-upgrade
after changing the references in /etc/apt/sources.list
from beowulf to chimaera.

After reboot - - - well - - - screen says devuan but
uname -r is 4.19.xx and not 5.10.xx

Any ideas as to how I update the kernel?

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[DNG] Fwd: request for assistance

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-- Forwarded message -
From: o1bigtenor 
Date: Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 7:18 AM
Subject: Re: [DNG] request for assistance
To: Olaf Meeuwissen 


On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 5:12 AM Olaf Meeuwissen  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> o1bigtenor via Dng  writes:
>
> > Greetings
> >
> > Basic question is: what happened?
> >
> > I wanted to update a beowulf system.
> > So did the apt update, apt upgrade, apt dist-upgrade
> > after changing the references in /etc/apt/sources.list
> > from beowulf to chimaera.
> >
> > After reboot - - - well - - - screen says devuan but
> > uname -r is 4.19.xx and not 5.10.xx
> >
> > Any ideas as to how I update the kernel?
>
> Do you by any chance have only a versioned kernel image package
> installed?  Something like linux-image-4.19.xx-y-amd64.
>
> If so, you want to install linux-image-amd64 to keep getting the latest
> version.
>
> Adjust for your architecture if necessary.
>
> Hope this helps,

Dunno how it happened but installed linux-image-amd64 did
a reboot and things are different.

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Re: [DNG] request for assistance

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On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 5:14 AM Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via Dng
 wrote:
>
> Anno domini 2022 Fri, 7 Jan 05:01:46 -0600
>  o1bigtenor via Dng scripsit:
> > Greetings
> >
> > Basic question is: what happened?
> >
> > I wanted to update a beowulf system.
> > So did the apt update, apt upgrade, apt dist-upgrade
> > after changing the references in /etc/apt/sources.list
> > from beowulf to chimaera.
> >
> > After reboot - - - well - - - screen says devuan but
> > uname -r is 4.19.xx and not 5.10.xx
> >
> > Any ideas as to how I update the kernel?
>
> Most likely you have 2 kernels installed, but GRUB loads the old one. Check 
> that with
> $ dpkg -l|grep linux-image
>

Checked that - - - thanks - - - - not the case.
There was only the 4.19.xxx kernel listed.

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Re: [DNG] request for assistance

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On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 6:14 AM wirelessduck--- via Dng
 wrote:
>
>
>
> On 7 Jan 2022, at 22:02, o1bigtenor via Dng  wrote:
>
> Greetings
>
> Basic question is: what happened?
>
> I wanted to update a beowulf system.
> So did the apt update, apt upgrade, apt dist-upgrade
> after changing the references in /etc/apt/sources.list
> from beowulf to chimaera.
>
> After reboot - - - well - - - screen says devuan but
> uname -r is 4.19.xx and not 5.10.xx
>
> Any ideas as to how I update the kernel?
>
> TIA
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> Do you have the linux-image-amd64 package installed? This is the meta-package 
> that depends on the latest Linux kernel package for the currently installed 
> release; 4.19 for beowulf and 5.10 for chimaera. Without this package there 
> is nothing to tell APT to install the newer kernel package on dist-upgrade.
>
> https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=linux-image-amd64&x=submit

No - - - dunno how but all that was installed was a kernel.

Thanks for the tip!

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Re: [DNG] request for assistance

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On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 10:22 PM Olaf Meeuwissen
 wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> o1bigtenor via Dng  writes:
>
> > On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 6:14 AM wirelessduck--- via Dng
> >  wrote:
> >>
> >> On 7 Jan 2022, at 22:02, o1bigtenor via Dng  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Greetings
> >>>
> >>> Basic question is: what happened?
> >>>
> >>> I wanted to update a beowulf system.
> >>> So did the apt update, apt upgrade, apt dist-upgrade
> >>> after changing the references in /etc/apt/sources.list
> >>> from beowulf to chimaera.
> >>>
> >>> After reboot - - - well - - - screen says devuan but
> >>> uname -r is 4.19.xx and not 5.10.xx
> >>>
> >>> Any ideas as to how I update the kernel?
> >>
> >> Do you have the linux-image-amd64 package installed? This is the
> >> meta-package that depends on the latest Linux kernel package for the
> >> currently installed release; 4.19 for beowulf and 5.10 for
> >> chimaera. Without this package there is nothing to tell APT to
> >> install the newer kernel package on dist-upgrade.
> >>
> >> https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?cpackage&qlinux-image-amd64&xsubmit
> >
> > No - - - dunno how but all that was installed was a kernel.
>
> What probably happened is that you selected the versioned kernel in the
> devuan-installer when you first installed that beowulf system.  The
> installer gives you a choice between a versioned kernel and one that
> tracks the latest version.
>
> I don't remember if that choice is available in the default install or
> only in the expert install, though.
>
I was taught by a now deceased very long time *nix user to use a
distributed partition system doing a system install. (Means I have
partitions for root, var, usr, usr-local,swap and home.) This means
that most often I have to use 'expert' install even though I'm no bloody
expert. It is very likely that when I chose expert install that it was
chosen for me to use a versioned kernel. Not recognizing that is
very much a function of me using expert tools where I understand
a very small part of what I'm actually doing.

Thanking you very much for your assistance and also the adding
to my understanding!!

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[DNG] request for assistance

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Greetings

When I put this system together ( a LONG time ago) nvidia was not
quite the pariah it has become in the open source community. So I'm
stuck with nouveau for drivers (its a long explanation but trust me
I'm STUCK there!).

Nouveau is really not as wonderful as it purports to be and I would
love nothing better than to move to a Radeon solution except changing
the whole system for that is just a little cost prohibitive and then
newer gpus are mostly limited to at best 4 outputs and I have 5. Don't
really want to buy 2 cards either as that makes things just too bloody
expensive. So a new system is on hold until this one shows definite
signs of imminent demise or somebody drops a bunch of $$$ into my
pocket (fat chance of that!!).

So I have filed a bug report over at nouveau's system and they are
telling me to do something that I just can't find any information on
the web as a how to. Maybe someone here knows this area
(kernel/gpu/drm/whatever other software they're dragging in!) and
could advise.

I'm told to:

rebuild the kernel with CONFIG_NOUVEAU_DEBUG_PUSH=y

followed by:

boot the machine with drm.debug=0x16 log_bug_len=50m nouveau.debug=disp=trace

(the second command is maybe covered here:
https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorial/kernel-boot-parameter-edit/
but if there is a better/easier way please advise!!)

Is there anyone who can help?

(I really want to use that 4k monitor - - - I've been looking at it
for about 8 months now and when I connect it well - - - I get 2 to 16
hours of uptime and then its time to reboot - - - a royal pita()
at best)

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[DNG] Fwd: request for assistance

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-- Forwarded message -
From: o1bigtenor 
Date: Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 6:14 AM
Subject: Re: [DNG] request for assistance
To: 


On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 2:37 PM  wrote:
>
> o1bigtenor:
> ...
> > I'm told to:
> >
> > rebuild the kernel with CONFIG_NOUVEAU_DEBUG_PUSH=y
> ...
>
>  That config is used in:
> drivers/gpu/drm/nouveau/include/nvif/push.h
>
> its latest commit is d502297008142645edf5c791af424ed321e5da84
> from 2021-01-19, so you need kernel v5.11-rc6 or later. So
> get a suffiently new kernel and do as they say.
>

Hmm  - - - - and HOW do I do that?
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Re: [DNG] Youtube is slow and advertisement laden: Was: Early Days at Bell Labs - Youtube, the systemd of video

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On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 2:41 AM Mike Tubby  wrote:
>
> I have Adblock Plus installed and never see adverts on Youtube at
> home... only on the mobile.
>

So where are you installing the Adblock Plus to achieve this?

This person does want to know - - -grin!
(You know - - - 'inquiring minds want to know'.)

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Re: [DNG] Website "motto"?

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On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 10:59 AM Antony Stone
 wrote:
>
> Hi.
>
> I wanted to check the current list of init systems supported by Devuan, so I
> went to the website to find out.
>
> I noticed the prominent motto "init freedom - watch your first step!" there,
> and wonder whether this is an entirely positive thing for new visitors to the
> Devuan world to see?
>
> It could easily, I think, be taken to mean "be careful about taking a first
> step in an unknown direction" (which is what Devuan is for a newcomer), and
> could possibly make some people decide "oh, I'm not so sure about this; maybe
> not, after all".
>
> I'm sure there can be some more positive phrase we can use about init freedom,
> to emphasise what it _gives_ people, not to emphasise being cautious about the
> unknown.
>
>
> Thoughts / opinions?
>
Agreed.

Maybe something like "init freedom - - - your first step . . .  "

I don't like promising - - -especially too much but I agree
even a hint of uncertainty is not a great idea.

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Re: [DNG] Website "motto"?

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On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 3:55 AM  wrote:
>
> Curtis:
> > > On Jan 18, 2022, at 9:49 PM, goli...@devuan.org wrote:
> > > On 2022-01-18 16:33, o1bigtenor via Dng wrote:
> > >> Maybe something like "init freedom - - - your first step . . .  "
> ...
> > “Your first step matters”
>
> I'd prefer something that say that you as an owner is in control and
> has the final say. That you are not subjected to random choises by
> some clique.
>

I agree that that is what I want - - - - but I really like the idea of
nothing negative. There has been a lot of very negative stuff flying
around - - - somehow I think it is possible to make a point without
having to destroy the opposing one. Maybe I'm assuming people
would 'get it' and they don't. Just find it frustrating to be treated like
I'm an idiot as some persons have seemed to want me to think that
I am (for not finding their way as being 'wonderful' just because its
theirs).

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Re: [DNG] Website "motto"?

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On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 8:37 AM Andrew McGlashan via Dng
 wrote:
>
>
>
> On 20/1/22 1:03 am, Antony Stone wrote:
> > On Wednesday 19 January 2022 at 15:02:00, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 10:59:35PM -0600, goli...@devuan.org wrote:
>  Like this? https://transfer.sh/cTgmNi/if-rev2.png
> >>>
> >>> Or this might be even better https://transfer.sh/CeUT0r/if-rev3.png
> >>
> >> I do not see a difference between rev 2 and rev 3.
> >
> > "take"
>
> Yeah, I never noticed the "hidden" text around the circle either.
>

Watermark type of text is only useful if it is visible enough to be
seen without needing special equipment imo.

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Re: [DNG] Website "motto"?

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On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 4:23 PM Steve Litt  wrote:
>
> Antony Stone said on Wed, 19 Jan 2022 22:03:23 +0100
>
> >On Wednesday 19 January 2022 at 21:59:46, Steve Litt wrote:
> >
> >> goli...@devuan.org said on Tue, 18 Jan 2022 20:49:41
> >> >
> >> >Like this? https://transfer.sh/cTgmNi/if-rev2.png
> >>
> >> For the first 36 hours after you posted this, I thought "if" was the
> >> English word "if", not "Internet Freedom" or whatever. Short and to
> >> the point works only if you don't need an accompanying explanation.
> >
> >So, maybe two different colours (or at least shades) for the two
> >letters?
> >
> >That could be enough to make people think of them separately.
>
> I doubt it. You and I think about init freedom daily. The person
> reading the logo? Not so much. Also, what does "init freedom" give
> them? We know, but do they?
>
> Honestly, I know it's hip today to say nothing negative,

Today its considered part of political correctness to say nothing
negative.

It was the norm for many many years - - - in fact - - - I remember the
phrase "If you've nothing good to say say nothing!" - - - in fact I heard
that a lot (I tend to nit pick at stupid idiocies that I find!).

So in some ways emphasising the positive benefits is a return to
society's roots. The blatant, all too often infantile, spewing that has
become far too common is a product of having too many persons
with huge skills and tiny people experience lashing out at what
they see as a personal attack, even when it isn't (although sometimes
it is). Computer society seems to be fraught with this - - - changing
this kind of behavior - - - - well the current political correctness
male bovine excrement is mostly incitement for more spewing
and not for changing hearts and minds.

In regards to the present topic - - - one only needs to look at the
response(s) from the author of this systemd malaise when he
was challenged (sometimes in a fashion that was itself unacceptable).

> but I think
> maybe the best motto is "Don't get stuck with systemd", with that
> phrase being an obvious link, leading to a short list of reasons why
> you don't want to get stuck with systemd:
>
> * Systemd is DIY hostile
> * For problems not on the systemd diagnostic "script", systemd makes
>   troubleshooting much more difficult
> * Systemd has a gargantuan attack surface
> * Systemd affirmatively and intentionally stumbling-blocks other init
>   installations.
> * Systemd replaces working solutions with new, questionable solutions
>
This is a great 'second' step - - - pulling in the uninformed is the first
step.

If you think legislating morality works I would suggest you review the
prohibition - - - the legislation really helped little (except for some who
became filthy rich at it) and changed nothing - - - at least not that I
can tell!

I hope I haven't been a serious pot stirrer in this but this discussion
seems to be polarizing - - - and if  it escalates any more it will only
divide an already small group. Wondering if its time to close the topic.
I will try very very hard not to respond further!

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Re: [DNG] Qt, KDE, unbelievable

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On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 4:49 AM Steve Litt  wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Read this:
>
> https://www.neowin.net/news/ads-may-be-coming-to-kde-the-popular-linux-desktop/
>
> LOL, I removed every bit of KDE, its executables and libraries, in
> 2012. Mostly for the same reasons I refuse to host systemd. Now comes
> the possibility of ads on KDE applications.
>
> But it's even worse, because Qt is doing it, so non-KDE apps might be
> involved, including the LXQt I've recommended as an alternative to
> the deprecated LXDE.
>

Now if all that advertising was actually good for something except making rich
people richer - - - -

Is it time for me to start begging the high quality programmer types for
tools to block advertising - - - period?

Just was reading today about some kind of graphics coding that when one
opened an email that notice was sent back to somewhere with info regarding
me and my system.

Please - - - this is one time where I think I would even pay for quality stuff.
The advertising behemoth is so pernicious that I really want 'Jack the Giant
killer' level applications!!!

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[DNG] Question re: security/info sent with emails and more

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Greetings

When I look at the headers from my emails and sometimes available
in websites all this information about my system is included.

Is there a way to block the sending of this particular information?

Please??

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Re: [DNG] The Daedalus desktop needs some love

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On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 6:33 AM Hendrik Boom  wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 02:08:12PM -0700, Bob Proulx via Dng wrote:
> > goli...@devuan.org wrote:
> > > Lars Noodén wrote:
> > > > What quality of display(s) and color calibration are required?
> > >
> > > In all the years I have been doing this, that question has never entered 
> > > my
> > > mind and I have no idea how to even begin answering it. I do "eye" art not
> > > "machine" art. I can perceive even one increment change in a hex.
> > >
> > > Problem is . . . no one can know exactly what color another person is
> > > seeing. Add to that the vagaries of the monitor and . . .
> > >
> > > I don't know if a screenshot would capture the hex or what's showing on 
> > > your
> > > monitor but maybe you could give it a try for the chimaera desktop and let
> > > us have a look.
> >
> > I just want to comment that I have two identical model displays side
> > by side in a dual monitor configuration on my desktop.  Both are
> > identical as far as any model vendor and number are concerned.  Yet
> > side by side it is pretty obvious to me that they have a difference in
> > color tone between them.  They are definitely not the same even though
> > by specification they will be the same.
> >
> > The first order difference in my two monitors I think is that the
> > backlight is not identical between them.  One shows a slightly warmer
> > color hue to the backlight from the other.  I think that swamps other
> > effects causing differences in my "matched pair".
> >
> > None of this really has any effect on how nice a color theme looks on
> > the displays though.  That's an art project more than a science project.
> >
> > Bob
>
> It's nice if the desktop colours look good on a perfectly calibrated monitor.
> But what's more important for it to look good on the variety of monitors
> regular users use.
> So we should test the imagery on the ordinary, everyday laptops and
> monitors we have at home and work.
> And it's important the the colours work even if one is colourblind.
> I'd suggest viewing it converted to greyscale as a first try at testing
> this, bt a friend of mine who is colourblind tells me it's far more
> complicated than this.
>
AIUI there are not only different forms of color blindedness but also
different levels. Putting that all together means a very large amount
of complexity.

Likely an easy path to avoid most difficulties - - - use only strong
primary colors - - - does that solve the possible issues - - - nope
but those that are color blind have learned to cope with those specific
issues (I'm thinking of red like in stop lights).

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[DNG] software question

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Greetings

For a non-profit - - - this is not bulk email for sales - - - - bulk
email for connection.

Is there a linux program (foss hopefully) that will allow me to do this?

(Sending regualr emails to a group of people (from 15 to 50 recipients).)

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Re: [DNG] software question

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On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 7:59 AM Curtis Maurand via Dng
 wrote:
>
> How about PHPList?  It works like constant contact or mailchimp.
> mailchimp has a "free" level of service.  So far mailchimp has been
> enough for the small concert choir I do work for.
>

Hm - - - did a took a look at phplist - - - -
3rd post (IIRC) was titled:

Being marked as spam on all @hotmail, @outlook, @live, and @yahoo addresses

it sounds like a somewhat common issue - - - that would mean that
phplist is a little
short - - - - many people have their email accounts with one of those
providers. (Most
of the people I know in fact.)
Mailchimp seems quite widely used and even their website feels sorta
like its into
the data slurp.
Will have to take a look at this 'constant contact'.

thanks for the ideas!

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Re: [DNG] software question

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On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 3:02 AM Olaf Meeuwissen via Dng
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>
>
> Hendrik Boom  writes:
>
> > On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 07:29:27PM +0100, Florian Zieboll via Dng wrote:
> >> On January 21, 2022 7:15:06 PM GMT+01:00, o1bigtenor via Dng 
> >>  wrote:
> >> > Greetings
> >> >
> >> > For a non-profit - - - this is not bulk email for sales - - - - bulk
> >> > email for connection.
> >> >
> >> > Is there a linux program (foss hopefully) that will allow me to do this?
> >> >
> >> > (Sending regualr emails to a group of people (from 15 to 50 recipients).)
> >>
> >> With LibreOffice you can send personalized bulk mail. IIRC it was
> >> quite annoying to set up, but once done, it worked.
> >
> > I just use /etc/aliases
>
> That was my first reaction too ;-)

OK - - -  I'm not a programmer in any shape way or form.
My guess would be when using /etc/aliases - - - - that's some
form of bash programming? using awk or ?

Please advise? (purdy (sic) please.

I just use the tools in the computering universe so far - - - have
barely begun anything any deeper. (Starting with hardware - - -
putting together stuff for control and now starting for sensors.)

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[DNG] connecting to a chromebook (OT??)

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Greetings

If this is too far off topic - - - please advise.

Just got myself a chromebook - - - - lots of hoopla la about tablets
and though I'd try one.
Its a fairly brain dead POS so I'm trying to find ways to make it useful!

So I go into the terminal ad do ifconfig and ip  a and what I'm
getting is a weird ip address.

My routher is at 192.168.1.1 and all my other hardware is visible there.
The chromebook says it is at 100.115.92.204/28.

How did it get there?

How is it connecting to and through the router?
Chromebook docs seem very light - - - hugely the 'trust us' modus - -
- which means that I don't.

I am wanting to use this thing to read pdf's when not at my computer
(ie lunch or other such times).

Not even sure what to do - - - ideas/suggestions - - please?

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Re: [DNG] connecting to a chromebook (OT??)

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On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 8:31 AM Antony Stone
 wrote:
>
> On Wednesday 26 January 2022 at 15:24:35, o1bigtenor via Dng wrote:
>
> > Greetings
> >
> > If this is too far off topic - - - please advise.
>
> It's not on-topic, but I'm pretty sure people will try to advise :)
>
> > Just got myself a chromebook
>
> > My routher is at 192.168.1.1 and all my other hardware is visible there.
> > The chromebook says it is at 100.115.92.204/28.
> >
> > How did it get there?
>
> That range is reserved by IANA for certain types of connectivity providers;
> maybe yours is one of them.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv4#Special-use_addresses

I had looked there and had noted that the ip address fell into that range - -
- - but  - - - -
>
> > How is it connecting to and through the router?
>
> Well, *IS* it connecting through the router?  Can you access Internet websites
> or log in to thing by SSH etc?

Its using a wireless connection from the router.
Yes - - - access the weather report so connectivity is there.
>
> What does "route -n" tell you?

route -n
Kernel IP routing table
Destination   Gateway   Genmask   more
0.0.0.0 100.115.92.1930.0.0.0
100.115.92.1920.0.0.0  255.255.255.240
>

thought I'd check if I was connected by IP address - - meant I had to
know the MAC
address of the puppy. Supposedly you do chrome://system in the browser - -
except that didn't work - - got me some fluff page.
Then there was the suggestion that you find your hardware page at the log in.
That also wasn't as depicted.
Found a page listed as diagnostics - - - there  I found listed a
BSSID: but it doesn't match what my router table has !!!
Included was an IP address which does fit on my router - - -
so I was able to find the address - - - - what an ordeal.
Seems like the machine was only made to be run and controlled
from afar - - - pity. Might be a decent tool otherwise!

(Touch keyboard doesn't have Control or Alt keys so need to find a
different touch keyboard or add a bluetooth keyboard - - - I may do both.)

Thanks for the tools - - - - I wouldn't have gotten things done without
the help

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Re: [DNG] connecting to a chromebook (OT??)

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On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 1:04 PM Rod Rodolico via Dng  wrote:
>
> FYI, I'm doing the same thing. I have spent some time setting up a
> Chromebook "securely" (in theory), though mainly to access a Linux
> Terminal Server over a VPN.
>
> First, are you using the built in Linux subsystem? When I bring up the
> ChromeOS terminal (ctrl-alt-T, not the linux subsystem), the crosh
> prompt does not have the ip or the ifconfig commands. However, when I
> look at my network connection (via the GUI), I'm seeing an IP in my
> network range.

I have used the 'dev' mode and set up debian in it.
Not used to pure command line (long ago Mac background spoiled me for
that) so I'm trying to install a dual boot system. One issue is that the
screen keyboard doesn't (on a Lenovo 10e (IIRC) chromebook anyway)
have control and alt keys so that means there are some things that are
too 'kinky' to do.
>
> I went ahead and installed the Linux subsystem again (I'm spending a lot
> of time playing on it) and my IP for that is 10.115.92.205/28, so it
> looks like the Linux subsystem is using using some kind of virtual IP,
> similar to what virtlib does by default.
>
Well - - - the MAC address the machine gives is different than that at
the router and the ip address at the router keeps changing - - argh!
I would like to use this thing for reading pdfs away from my desk but
I'm not sure how to get things onto it. The expectation is that I'm going
to use ms googly's drive or dropbox - - - no cottin pickin way!! to
both. I use scp on my network but that means I need to know the ip
address and be able to ssh into or out of it - - - I can't.
The ssh port (#22 IIRC) is blocked - - - how's that for stupid. Likely
everything is blocked but ms googly's stuff - - - that's the idea behind
android anyway AFAIK - - - I'm not impressed. Although - - - if I really
don't like this thing I think my wife might like it but then I wanted a tablet
she's already got one (LOL)!

Thanks for the tips!!

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Re: [DNG] Configuring ethernet port for IPv6

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On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 8:14 AM Simon  wrote:
>
> Joel Roth via Dng  wrote:
>
> > My problem is connecting via dhcp over ethernet.  On IRC
> > I was advised to try
> >
> > ping ff02::1%eth1
> >
> > which fails to get a response, indicating IPv6 is not enabled in my client.
> >
> > I tried setting "iface eth1 inet6 dhcp" in /etc/network/interfaces,
> > then "ifup eth1".  This fails with
> >
> > no link-local IPv6 address for eth1
> >
> > References suggest that "ifconfig eth1 up" or "ip link set dev eth1 up"
> > will trigger the kernel to assign an IPv6 address. Since
> > this is not happening, I'm asking the wisdom of the list VUAs
> > how to enable IPv6 for this port.
>
> You don’t actually need DHCP to configure IPv6.
snip
> As an aside, and not specifically in response to either of the above emails, 
> I recommend the certification scheme run by HE at 
> https://ipv6.he.net/certification/, and if your ISP doesn’t yet offer IPv6, 
> then their tunnel service will provide you with good IPv6 connectivity. It’s 
> true that there is some learning you need to do for IPv6, but this course 
> will take you through things in steps - start with the basics and work up to 
> the more complicated stuff. The only bit I thought was a p.i.t.a. is a stage 
> where you have to provide ping and traceroute results to 100 different IPv6 
> destinations over 100 days. The hardest part if finding 100 different 
> destinations - at the time I did it, I did some grepping of DNS server logs 
> at work to find them ;-)
>
>
Not only do I want to echo mr Joel but for mr Simon.
This gives great information - - - all together AND in a fashion that
I think I may even be understanding this.
Please would you fashion perhaps 2 or three more messages for
intermediate and maybe even extend this into more of the
'advanced' networking country.

I am not needing ipv6 at present but likely this spring fiber optics
are happening (finally some decent speed options) and they are
in the process of moving to ipv6 likely within a year or so. I would
prefer to know at least some more before I 'need' it.

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[DNG] questions further into networking

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Greetings

(Growing out of the 'Configuring ethernet port of ipv6' thread.)

I have been considering setting up a 'Pihole' to enhance my network here.

Is a Pihole a useful addition into a ipv6 network or ?

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Re: [DNG] questions further into networking

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On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 2:42 PM Simon  wrote:
>
> o1bigtenor via Dng  wrote:
>
> > I have been considering setting up a 'Pihole' to enhance my network here.
> >
> > Is a Pihole a useful addition into a ipv6 network or ?
>
> (As already mentioned) The Pihole works at the DNS level, so it simply blocks 
> DNS lookups for “stuff you don’t want”. So it’s agnostic to the transport 
> layer - IPv4 or IPv6.
> I can’t help thinking that one (of several) reasons for things like 
> DNSoverHTTPS, and as I recently read on another mailing list that (at least) 
> one of the TV streaming devices only works with the vendor’s DNS service is 
> to bypass protections like DNS filtering/blocking.
>

Hmmm - - - very interesting!

When this (streaming device only works with the vendor's DNS) happens
- - - is there a way to
counter or change that particular behavior?

(Fascinating what's all connected!!!)

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Re: [DNG] questions further into networking

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On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 9:41 AM Michael Neuffer via Dng
 wrote:
>
>
>
> On 1/30/22 20:05, o1bigtenor via Dng wrote:
> > Greetings
> >
> > (Growing out of the 'Configuring ethernet port of ipv6' thread.)
> >
> > I have been considering setting up a 'Pihole' to enhance my network here.
> >
> > Is a Pihole a useful addition into a ipv6 network or ?
>
>
> I've been using it for quite a while. It blocks about 30-45% of my daily
> DNS requests IPv4 & IPv6
>
> It is quite an effective DNS based pre-filter
>
> And you get warnings like this
> 2022-01-28 00:00:48 RATE_LIMIT  Client fd00::9b3a:1467:d7db:58c9 has 
> been
> rate-limited (current config allows up to 1000 queries in 60 seconds)
>
> which might help you in case of problems. (In this case this was my
> laptop starting an odd job)
>
>
Seems like  to Pis are going to be needed for here - - - grin.
One for a pihole and another for voip services (asterisk + )

Thank you for your help!!!

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