Re: [e-users] E Application framwork
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:04:35 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 08:47:26 +0100 Christian Pedaschus [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:29:06 +0100 Thijs Thiessens [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: i'm working with a 3200x1200 resolution and sometimes it nerves to push the mouse from one to end the other end. a quick mouse-gesture could help there (normally i use the keyboard for such things, but sometimes i'm too lazy to change from mouse to keyboard and there it could be helpful.) thats hard or almost impossible to do as its basically impossible to track mouse movement in x [snip] What about libstroke [1] that FVWM uses? Note that I don't use FVWM myself, but I know people who do and mouse gestures semm to be quite popular among them. [1] http://freshmeat.net/projects/libstroke/ -- www.cargal.org GnuPG-key-ID: 0x90CA09E3 Jabber-ID: citizen428 [at] cargal [dot] org Registered Linux User #278726 pgpBeiHOrpLll.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [e-users] E Application framwork
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:23:53 +0100 Michael Kohl [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:04:35 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 08:47:26 +0100 Christian Pedaschus [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:29:06 +0100 Thijs Thiessens [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: i'm working with a 3200x1200 resolution and sometimes it nerves to push the mouse from one to end the other end. a quick mouse-gesture could help there (normally i use the keyboard for such things, but sometimes i'm too lazy to change from mouse to keyboard and there it could be helpful.) thats hard or almost impossible to do as its basically impossible to track mouse movement in x [snip] What about libstroke [1] that FVWM uses? Note that I don't use FVWM myself, but I know people who do and mouse gestures semm to be quite popular among them. to get mouse moves you either have to 1. keep polling very quickly (yuk) 2. set up passive grabs for mouse buttons and RETAIN the grabs during any movement dissalowing you to be able to pass the mouse move events onto the app as well as the original click (you will need a mouse button + optional modifier key combo to start the capture). it's a nest of thorns you want to jump into - i certainly have zero plans on jumping into that painful pit. -- - Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] E Application framwork
Hello, list. As far as I understand you want realize mac point of view for menus. Once upon a time I read discussion on www.linux.org.ru on this theme. Men said that such approach could not be realized for linux soft. frozt Tuesday, March 15, 2005, 11:29:06 PM, you wrote: TT Hello! TT I've been experimenting with some code.. I want to build a kind of TT framework that allows me to be working more naturally with a computer. TT Look at http://thies061.speed.planet.nl/libura/e/mockup/libura_Ecalc.png TT You'll see their a spreadsheet. Look at it if it was just a piece of TT paper you have put on your desk. Depending on what you are currently use TT the paper for and what types of data you are working on, the e17 main TT menu should include the types of option that you need. The paper could TT as easily be a word document: TT http://thies061.speed.planet.nl/libura/e/mockup/libura_Ewriter.png TT A PDF, a 3D environment a webpage or whatever. TT So I need to develop a way that includes dynamic changing of the e17 TT menu based on the type of paper currently and the specific types of data TT that has the focus. This way ( i think) could lead to a more elegant en TT more natural way of viewing and working with applications in computing TT environments. That is.. you roll a new piece of paper to your desktop en TT specify what it should be: a letter, a presentation, a picture, a TT message, a collection of financial records, a movie etc.. TT Any comments? Or suggestions? Or you think it's as stupid as hell. ;) TT Have a nice day all! TT Thijs Thiessens TT The Netherlands TT --- TT SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide TT Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. TT Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. TT http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click TT ___ TT enlightenment-users mailing list TT enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net TT https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- Best regards, satyrmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] E Application framwork
On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:29:06 +0100 Thijs Thiessens [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Hello! I've been experimenting with some code.. I want to build a kind of framework that allows me to be working more naturally with a computer. Look at http://thies061.speed.planet.nl/libura/e/mockup/libura_Ecalc.png You'll see their a spreadsheet. Look at it if it was just a piece of paper you have put on your desk. Depending on what you are currently use the paper for and what types of data you are working on, the e17 main menu should include the types of option that you need. The paper could as easily be a word document: http://thies061.speed.planet.nl/libura/e/mockup/libura_Ewriter.png A PDF, a 3D environment a webpage or whatever. So I need to develop a way that includes dynamic changing of the e17 menu based on the type of paper currently and the specific types of data that has the focus. This way ( i think) could lead to a more elegant en more natural way of viewing and working with applications in computing environments. That is.. you roll a new piece of paper to your desktop en specify what it should be: a letter, a presentation, a picture, a message, a collection of financial records, a movie etc.. Any comments? Or suggestions? Or you think it's as stupid as hell. ;) no - it's not such a bad idea - mind you, it's not going to be very popular amongst the existing developer/user base :) they like having 5 or 10 windows up... and switching. but i can see big merits in your idea. right now e17 isn't ready for it - but later i want to start having pluggable "mdi" modules that determine how to handle apps and layouts - maybe always have 1 "main app" focused, with a "Secondary info" app (eg your mp3 player) on an edge/corner of the screen. the idea is this would lend itself well to system with limited resolution and resources (eg embedded devices like pda's, phones etc.). where also your main way of input may ONLY be a keypad and no mouse/touchscreen. anyway - thought about it and have just put it aside for now - also you are looking at a document centric model where you either choose an existing file/document you have to work on/read or you create a new one (a new image, new text document, new code project, new e-mail etc.). which i have to say works very well for limited purpose devices :) for a pc it may be a little limiting though :) -- - Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] E Application framwork
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:29:06 +0100 Thijs Thiessens [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Hello! I've been experimenting with some code.. I want to build a kind of framework that allows me to be working more naturally with a computer. Look at http://thies061.speed.planet.nl/libura/e/mockup/libura_Ecalc.png Any comments? Or suggestions? Or you think it's as stupid as hell. ;) no - it's not such a bad idea - mind you, it's not going to be very popular amongst the existing developer/user base :) they like having 5 or 10 windows up... and switching. which i have to say works very well for limited purpose devices :) for a pc it may be a little limiting though :) Hi there, that's exact my optinion. for limited devices (and perhaps for ppl with limited capabilies) it could be useful, but for a (my) workstation, it's more limiting than helpful. Because 5-10 Windows are the least i have open, mostly it are more and it would drive me nuts, to just see one window at a time. but hey, if it's a pluggable module, why not... but to keep the ideas flowing: how about some mouse-gesture-feature? i'm working with a 3200x1200 resolution and sometimes it nerves to push the mouse from one to end the other end. a quick mouse-gesture could help there (normally i use the keyboard for such things, but sometimes i'm too lazy to change from mouse to keyboard and there it could be helpful.) i'm thinking, for example, about the middle mouse button on the desktop to see the window-list. what if both screens are full? then u first have to shade or iconize one window, use the window list, then reget your window. with mouse-gestures, one could simply hold the right button to enable MG and then draw a short line, which would open the window-menu at mouse-position. the main reason i talk about such a feature, is that it has the potential to create some cool graphical effects. i'm thinking about flames which follow the mouse while right key is pressed (so u can 'firepaint' directly on the screen, to see your gesture) it's just a thought i have since a long time (i wouldn't need this feature often, but sometimes it would really help) greets, Christian Pedaschus ps. if this was already discussed, excuse me, i'm quite new to the list. --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
[e-users] E Application framwork
Hello! I've been experimenting with some code.. I want to build a kind of framework that allows me to be working more naturally with a computer. Look at http://thies061.speed.planet.nl/libura/e/mockup/libura_Ecalc.png You'll see their a spreadsheet. Look at it if it was just a piece of paper you have put on your desk. Depending on what you are currently use the paper for and what types of data you are working on, the e17 main menu should include the types of option that you need. The paper could as easily be a word document: http://thies061.speed.planet.nl/libura/e/mockup/libura_Ewriter.png A PDF, a 3D environment a webpage or whatever. So I need to develop a way that includes dynamic changing of the e17 menu based on the type of paper currently and the specific types of data that has the focus. This way ( i think) could lead to a more elegant en more natural way of viewing and working with applications in computing environments. That is.. you roll a new piece of paper to your desktop en specify what it should be: a letter, a presentation, a picture, a message, a collection of financial records, a movie etc.. Any comments? Or suggestions? Or you think it's as stupid as hell. ;) Have a nice day all! Thijs Thiessens The Netherlands --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] E Application framwork
I love the concept. I think its very intuitive and help when you want to do one thing at a time. I'm not sure as to how the menus can change though, thats a bit tricky I suppose. I'd really like to stay updated with all the details of all of this. Best Regards, hisham. On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:29:06 +0100, Thijs Thiessens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello! I've been experimenting with some code.. I want to build a kind of framework that allows me to be working more naturally with a computer. Look at http://thies061.speed.planet.nl/libura/e/mockup/libura_Ecalc.png You'll see their a spreadsheet. Look at it if it was just a piece of paper you have put on your desk. Depending on what you are currently use the paper for and what types of data you are working on, the e17 main menu should include the types of option that you need. The paper could as easily be a word document: http://thies061.speed.planet.nl/libura/e/mockup/libura_Ewriter.png A PDF, a 3D environment a webpage or whatever. So I need to develop a way that includes dynamic changing of the e17 menu based on the type of paper currently and the specific types of data that has the focus. This way ( i think) could lead to a more elegant en more natural way of viewing and working with applications in computing environments. That is.. you roll a new piece of paper to your desktop en specify what it should be: a letter, a presentation, a picture, a message, a collection of financial records, a movie etc.. Any comments? Or suggestions? Or you think it's as stupid as hell. ;) Have a nice day all! Thijs Thiessens The Netherlands --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- Hisham Mardam Bey MSc (Computer Science) http://hisham.cc/ +9613609386 Codito Ergo Sum (I Code Therefore I Am) --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] E Application framwork
Would it not be wise to have a new ... in the main menu (however you wanna init it) and then just do the other stuff via a context menu (right click on the paper)? changing the menus seems a little cumbersome unless you have a real good reason Hisham Mardam Bey wrote: I love the concept. I think its very intuitive and help when you want to do one thing at a time. I'm not sure as to how the menus can change though, thats a bit tricky I suppose. I'd really like to stay updated with all the details of all of this. Best Regards, hisham. On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:29:06 +0100, Thijs Thiessens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello! I've been experimenting with some code.. I want to build a kind of framework that allows me to be working more naturally with a computer. Look at http://thies061.speed.planet.nl/libura/e/mockup/libura_Ecalc.png You'll see their a spreadsheet. Look at it if it was just a piece of paper you have put on your desk. Depending on what you are currently use the paper for and what types of data you are working on, the e17 main menu should include the types of option that you need. The paper could as easily be a word document: http://thies061.speed.planet.nl/libura/e/mockup/libura_Ewriter.png A PDF, a 3D environment a webpage or whatever. So I need to develop a way that includes dynamic changing of the e17 menu based on the type of paper currently and the specific types of data that has the focus. This way ( i think) could lead to a more elegant en more natural way of viewing and working with applications in computing environments. That is.. you roll a new piece of paper to your desktop en specify what it should be: a letter, a presentation, a picture, a message, a collection of financial records, a movie etc.. Any comments? Or suggestions? Or you think it's as stupid as hell. ;) Have a nice day all! Thijs Thiessens The Netherlands --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
RE: [e-users] E Application framwork
On Tue, 2005-03-15 at 18:38, Martin White wrote: But, I'm not convinced that removing the application's frame complete with it's one stop shop of toolbars would necessarily be productive. All of a sudden you'd now have to go through several mouse clicks to bring up the menu, invariably a sub menu (even if it were contextual to the application) and ultimately another click for the thing you want to do... However, to try and counter this with a constructive alternative, how about moving the application's main toolbar icons to the icon bar and make that contextual to the application that has focus (as well as the standard launcher icons of course). I hate to be critical, but this whole concept is, I think, a little misdirected. I'm not entirely sure why it is on the e-users list anyway. The problem is much as you describe. You want some fast access stuff, so you add some button palettes, or a toolbar to the document. At that point you're right back with a *Step/Mac interface and you've spent a lot of time treading water and reinventing the wheel. I think a point of greater concern is focusing on ensuring that the window manager has a good interface for grouping (and subgrouping) windows. The applications can then hint to the WM how they want to be grouped, and you get to retain your document centric approach. That discussion, at least, belongs here except for the fact that, as far as I am aware, Raster has already made his decisions on how window grouping in E17 will work. Leland McInnes. -- We all just want to die. A little bit --Dogma, Nicole Blackman --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] E Application framwork
I was talking about this to Andy actually. This sort of follows the concept the Apple people use for their menus. Except we're moving all applications menus / buttons away from the application to a central location. You could, I guess, have a special tool bar that appears when a certain app is running and focused. Sort of like a hidden bar on the top of the screen (or where ever the use places it) and a hidden Engage like bar which appear when the mouse is moved towards them. We could, ofcourse, scape the whole hidden idea. Take a look here for a partial mockup. http://www.deviantart.com/view/16144658/ http://www.deviantart.com/view/16144908/ On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 23:38:32 -, Martin White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree that it would certainly seem to be a cleaner look and I guess argueably more natural to how you would work at a conventional desk and I do kindof like the idea... - there's a but coming :) But, I'm not convinced that removing the application's frame complete with it's one stop shop of toolbars would necessarily be productive. All of a sudden you'd now have to go through several mouse clicks to bring up the menu, invariably a sub menu (even if it were contextual to the application) and ultimately another click for the thing you want to do... However, to try and counter this with a constructive alternative, how about moving the application's main toolbar icons to the icon bar and make that contextual to the application that has focus (as well as the standard launcher icons of course). I'm purely talking concept here, I've no idea if the hooks and links to make this possible even exist. One day maybe I'll have the time to get a bit more involved and learn how some of the code framework works. Regards, Martin. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thijs Thiessens Sent: 15 March 2005 20:29 To: Enlightenment-users Subject: [e-users] E Application framwork Hello! I've been experimenting with some code.. I want to build a kind of framework that allows me to be working more naturally with a computer. Look at http://thies061.speed.planet.nl/libura/e/mockup/libura_Ecalc.png You'll see their a spreadsheet. Look at it if it was just a piece of paper you have put on your desk. Depending on what you are currently use the paper for and what types of data you are working on, the e17 main menu should include the types of option that you need. The paper could as easily be a word document: http://thies061.speed.planet.nl/libura/e/mockup/libura_Ewriter.png A PDF, a 3D environment a webpage or whatever. So I need to develop a way that includes dynamic changing of the e17 menu based on the type of paper currently and the specific types of data that has the focus. This way ( i think) could lead to a more elegant en more natural way of viewing and working with applications in computing environments. That is.. you roll a new piece of paper to your desktop en specify what it should be: a letter, a presentation, a picture, a message, a collection of financial records, a movie etc.. Any comments? Or suggestions? Or you think it's as stupid as hell. ;) Have a nice day all! Thijs Thiessens The Netherlands --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_ide95alloc_id396opclick ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- Hisham Mardam Bey MSc (Computer Science) http://hisham.cc/ +9613609386 Codito Ergo Sum (I Code Therefore I Am) --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_ide95alloc_id396op=click ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] E Application framwork
That's pretty much what i was thinking although i wasn't thinking overwriting the iconbar entirely... BTW - I've never used a mac so i don't know what they're like :) Still not convinced of the point though, it's not really removing any clutter, just moving it to a different area of the screen. As for the point of why it's even being discussed on enlightenment-users, i'm only replying to a post, i'm an enlightenment user and figured discussion forums were where things were discussed and ideas can be thought of and maybe born. Sure, maybe 95% of what people not directly involved with E development come up with may be nonsense or quickly discarded, but that doesn't stop the odd snippet planting a seed in someone's mind during design processes sometimes no matter how set in stone a current goal may be? Anyway, night all... Martin. On Wednesday 16 March 2005 00:58, Hisham Mardam Bey wrote: I was talking about this to Andy actually. This sort of follows the concept the Apple people use for their menus. Except we're moving all applications menus / buttons away from the application to a central location. You could, I guess, have a special tool bar that appears when a certain app is running and focused. Sort of like a hidden bar on the top of the screen (or where ever the use places it) and a hidden Engage like bar which appear when the mouse is moved towards them. We could, ofcourse, scape the whole hidden idea. Take a look here for a partial mockup. http://www.deviantart.com/view/16144658/ http://www.deviantart.com/view/16144908/ [SNIP] --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
