Re: [expert] Cannot Telnet - Message 2

[Jim Holthaus]

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On Sun, 01 Oct 2000, you wrote:
> 
> Dear Support,
> 
> I cannot telnet to my system. I have a rtl100a Compex card which seems to work fine
> (because I can telnet to another system on the network). If I try to telnet to this
> system from anywhere on the lan (including this system itself) I get:
> 
> Trying 192.168.1.2
> Connected to sunil.javasolutions.org
> Escape character is '^]'
> Connection closed by foreign host

Check /etc/hosts.allow. For information on its format and contents, try 
man hosts_access.
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Re: [expert] ANOTHER go at kde on 7.2beta...no go

[Praedor Tempus]

Sarang Lakare wrote:
> 
> why are you trying to get KDE 1.1.2 to work on 7.2beta? I see no reason to
> upgrade to 7.2 other than KDE 2!! Every other thing you can manually
> upgrade from 7.1 rather than trying to downgrade from 7.2.

qt2 wont compile so I cannot build kde-1.95 (kde2).  In any case, what I 
have been doing is a slow upgrade from 7.1 to 7.2beta.  Thus far, just
about everything in 7.2beta is proving to be broken or defective on some
level (literally inumerable errors when trying to build gcc and glibc
src rpms, for instance).

I am giving one more shot to building qt2 AFTER I "downgraded" from my
own i686 builds of gcc and glibc (and am now considering downgrading my
XFree86-4.0.1...related to ANOTHER 7.2beta problem with menu, in
particular,
install-menu.  I have tried building menu and have installed the
precompiled
i586 binaries and in EACH case, it segfaults when it is run.  It just
doesn't
work.

I fear what the state of kde-1.95 will be given the dire state of just
about
everything else in 7.2.

praedor



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Re: [expert] ANOTHER go at kde on 7.2beta...no go

[Sarang Lakare]

why are you trying to get KDE 1.1.2 to work on 7.2beta? I see no reason to
upgrade to 7.2 other than KDE 2!! Every other thing you can manually
upgrade from 7.1 rather than trying to downgrade from 7.2.

-sarang



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[expert] ANOTHER go at kde on 7.2beta...no go

[Praedor Tempus]

I removed qt, qt2, kdelibs, kdesupport...everything I built and
installed and tried again.

I did "rpm --rebuild ..." for qt-1.44, kdelibs-1.1.2-18mdk.src.rpm and 
kdesupport-1.1.2-18mdk.src.rpm.  They built just fine and I reinstalled
them.
I then moved on to kdeutils and kdebase.  In each case, it dies during
configure with:


configure:4077: checking for KDE headers installed
configure:4110: g++ -c -O2 -Wall -I/usr/include/kde -I/usr/include/qt   
conftest.C
configure:4138: checking for KDE libraries installed
configure:4141: /bin/sh ./libtool --silent --mode=link g++ -o conftest
-O2 -Wall -I/usr/inc
lude/kde -I/usr/include/qt-s -L/usr/lib  -L/usr/X11R6/lib
conftest.C  -lkdecore -lqt -l
Xext -lX11  -rpath /usr/lib -rpath /usr/X11R6/lib  1>&5
/usr/lib/libkdecore.so: undefined reference to `LPR0'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status

So I STILL have this bizarro problem with LPRO, whatever THAT is.  

Getting nowhere...and looking like I'll have to switch to gnome, which
DOES work.
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Re: [expert] Cannot Telnet - Message 2

[Sarang Lakare]

> Trying 192.168.1.2
> Connected to sunil.javasolutions.org
> Escape character is '^]'

> Connection closed by foreign host
btw, is there a delay b4 u get "Connection closed" ?

we had a similar problem once.. i'll ask the person if he remembers
anything!

-sarang



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[expert] Cannot Telnet - Message 2

[LINK WORLD]

Dear Support,

I cannot telnet to my system. I have a rtl100a Compex card which seems to work fine
(because I can telnet to another system on the network). If I try to telnet to this
system from anywhere on the lan (including this system itself) I get:

Trying 192.168.1.2
Connected to sunil.javasolutions.org
Escape character is '^]'
Connection closed by foreign host

The suggestions received earlier were

1.scrapmetaldevil wrote:

> ummm...do you have the telnet daemon enabled? and if it is, are you telnet-ing
> to the port that is enable? Could also be a firewall problem. Go through linux
> conf...the message below generally means the server is not running or you've
> telnet-ed to the wrong port. Your info isn't very descriptive what you know is
> enabled. After installation I had to go through my linuxconf and enable it. If
> you are using a fire wall, make sure its not set on the port the server is set
> to. I'm not much of a console user...so I can't really help in that arena.

2. Dan Wrote:
Quick and dirty Fix: Should only be used until you figure out  how to
properly set hosts allow and hosts deny Etc. Etc.  (I mention this only
because I haven't yet myself)

pico /etc/pam.d/login

Then find the line that says "securetty.so" (Usually the second line from
the top.)

Comment out this line from the beginning of:

#auth

Save and telnet.

Please note if this machine is conencted to the 'net via dialup or on a lan
without a firewall you are REALLY leaving your butt hanging out the car
window, during rush hour in Los Angeles.. :)

3.Sarang Wrote
Are you tring to telnet and login as root? Linux dosn't let you do that for
security reasons.. login as another user and then su to root.

Else, check the file /etc/services It has all the services that your
machine  has open.. If you have set the security level to highest in
mandrake, then it'll disable telnet.. you can only get in by using SSH.
Lemme know if you need help in setting up ssh.. its pretty straighforward!

Else, if you have telnet uncommented in /etc/services, then do "
/etc/rc.d/inid.d/inet status" and see if its running.. inet basically
starts services mentioned in /etc/services.. if its not running then simply
say "/etc/rc.d/init.d/inet start" and you should be ok !
---

None of these work. I have hunted the internet, mandrake archives, redhat support and
several books. I have not even come across a similar problem listed. Please help. I am
finding my development time being wasted.

Regards
SUNIL GUPTA





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[expert] Default gateway

[faisal]

I want to know where to put default gateway settings i have two cards & each
have a diffrent gateway ?

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Re: [expert] Development Environment: Gnome or KDE?

[BillK]

Try em both - I quickly found that gnome was a bit different to the way
I like to work so ended up in kde an been happy ever since - until
forced to use gnome which appears to be the only wm installed on a local
Uni's machines! - reinforced my choice of kde.  Its a purely personnel
choice, use both for awhile and see what works out - its what
keystrokes/mouse control and layout/features that makes the difference
rather thatn programming for a window manager, they just control the
user interface environment.  One worrying point at the moment is that
gnome itself and it seems some apps that run under it (netscape!!!) are
less reliable.

BillK



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Re: [expert] Netscape java bug. Is there a fix??

[BillK]

Have a look at the netscape faq on MandrakeUser.org - specifically set
up the environment variables for everyone (or in /etc/profile) and
install 4.75 if not already.  Was highly unreliable until I did that.

BillK



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Re: [expert] Problems with KDE2 login

[Sarang Lakare]

Rick,

The default login that u see is part of KDE.. by changing KDE to GNOME in
that file, I got the GNOME login manager instead of the default KDE..

And I didn't use KDE screensaver coz even it couldnt' verify my login!

btw, I solved the problem.. just installe the latest pam packages!

-sarang

Rick Commo wrote:
> 
> >>go to /etc/sysconfig/desktop and replace KDE by GNOME.. and u'll get the
> >>GNOME login screen!.. from ther eu can login and it'll by default take u
> to
> >>KDE 2..
> 
> How is this different than changing the "session type" on the login
> dialog?  My choices there are a whole bunch of different managers!
> I did login in with Gnome and see that /etc/sysconfig/desktop is
> still set to KDE.  So does this parameter determine the default
> desktop?  The login screen seemed to remember my choice as soon as
> I typed in my name.
> 
> >>
> >>also remember not to start the KDE screensaver.. it won't let u login
> again
> >>;).. so i am using xscreensaver from konsole!
> 
> If you've set your environment to Gnome, why would it use the KDE
> screensaver?
> 
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Re: [expert] What is LPRO?

[Praedor Tempus]

Bill Piety wrote:
> 
> Praedor Tempus wrote:
> 
> > Hello,
> >
> > Here is one such message I typically get when I try to run any kde app
> > (from xterm):
> >
> > ** WARNING **: Unable to find handler for file:
> > /usr/share/icons/large/sketch.xpm
> > kcontrol: error in loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.2:
> > undefined symbol: .LPR0
> > ex.lpro
> >
> > I am then back at the command prompt.  I get this when I try to run
> > konsole, kedit, etc.
> >
> > I have tried recompiling qt-1.1.4 and kde rpms but the result has been,
> > thus far, the same.
[...]
> A little progress - thought you had capitalized .LPR0 for emphasis. My mistake.
> Your problem probably comes from the fact that you compiled kdelibs but used
> a pre-built kdebase. I'm no programmer, but .LPR0 would be found in your source
> scripts. Someone who programs would be able to define it's use. Wait for further
> input, but you'll probably have to go with all pre-builts or find out why your
> kdebase won't build.

The primary message I get with these failed builds is about kde not
being able
to link a program, and that I should make sure that I compile qt with
the same
compiler that I am using for trying to build kdebase.  Needless to say,
the 
compiler is identical.  I have tried recompiling and installing qt-1.44,
there
are no errors, but the result is the same for kdebase-1.1.2-61mdk and
for kdeutils.

kdelibs and kdesupport compile fine IF I first install their src rpms
and then
run "rpm -bb ".  If I try to run "rpm --rebuild .." on
the
same src rpm, it fails with the same message about failing to link a
program,
compile qt with the same compiler, etc.  This does NOT work with
kdebase.  No
matter how I try it, it fails with that same message.

I am now looking at reinstalling 7.0 and upgrading from there again.  It
keeps
appearing to me that some small subtle problem exists on my system since
trying
to upgrade MOST of it to 7.2beta, and that it could prove almost
impossible to 
find that problem.  I cannot compile gcc either, glibc compiling
produces a HUGE
list of "invalid character 45..." messages, but does produce installable
glibc
i686 rpms.  Most other src rpms have built and installed fine.  KDE is
really 
proving to be a problem.

I considered just going ahead and trying to build and install kde-1.95
but I cannot
get qt2 to compile.  IT gives me errors that seem to indicate that it
cannot find
files that IT supplies.  

That's as it stands now.  It doesn't seem appropriate to submit a bug
report about
my kde problems because those src rpms are from Mandrake 7.1 while the
rest of
my system is, essentially, mandrake 7.2beta.  

praedor



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[expert] C-Media 8738am Chipset and MP3 playback

[Logos]

Does anyone have problems with this chipset and playing MP3's? On every
installation and re-installation of mandrake I have ever done on this machine
with this chipset MP3's stop playing at random spots and gets stuck. In XMMS and
kmp3 the counter actually flickers as if it were a CD skipping...sometimes it
basically fast forwards...sometimes it jumps back 2 secs then forward 10 secs
repeatedly.

Of note, in make xconfig it lists C-Media support as experimental. Has anyone
had this problem and if you cleared it up, how did you do it? It's is annoying
to pause and unpause every few minutes(sometime every few seconds). I thought
at first that maybe the files were corrupted...but even the mp3's I have
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Re: [expert] Development Environment: Gnome or KDE?

[Ron Stodden]

Rick Commo wrote:

> My reason for asking is strictly selfish.  If I am going to invest time in
> learning an Apps development suite does one or the other look better over
> the long term?  I am learning this for the "joy" of it I do not work in the
> Linux/Unix arena.
> 
> Not trying to stir up emotions here, just trying to get some idea of the
> better way to go since I am starting with a clean slate for practical
> purposes.

But why choose when you don't have to?Mandrake gives you both, so
you can form your own opinion from first-hand experience both running
them and developing applications for them.   Remember that KDE apps
will run under Gnome, and Gnome apps under KDE and that changing from
one GUI to the other does not involve a reboot.

-- 
Regards,

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Re: [expert] downloading newer images

[Ron Stodden]

> Harold Hartley wrote:
> 
> is it possible to downloand the newer mandrake versions and install
> on system without burning to a CD as I have no rewritable CD on my
> system..

For unreleased Mandrake you can download (use rsync) from the mirror
sites:

1.  The 7.2beta tree (930MB), or

2.  The cooker tree (951MB), or

3.  The two iso images of 7.2beta 3.

1&2 are still very active - about 20 to 450 changed files a day.

You must download these into a partition that is big enough and other
than any which will be installed to.

All are installable without having to burn a CD by creating a floppy
from /images/hd.img as per the install instructions and booting from
it.

The Select partition dialog from hd.img has an option to load from a
loopback-mounted iso CD image file.

But there are problems:

1.  The 7.2b3 iso images are old and are missing about 20 RPMs. 
Don't bother.

2.  The iso option of the Select Partitions dialog does not work. 
Don't bother.

-- 
Regards,

Ron. [AU]



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Re: [expert] downloading newer images

[Harold Hartley]

> Are you talking about the ISO images of the 7.2beta or about cooker?  With
> cooker it is no problem at all.  Just download the whole cooker tree from
> your favourite mirror, cat the network, hd or hdreiser floppy image to a
> floppy disk and boot from that disk.

I just want to upgrade from my mandrake 7.0 to the 7.1 without having to go
buy the cd's and stuff as I'm on a limited income in a nursing home..

>
> With the ISO images it is also possible.  You need to download only the
1st
> image (not the extension cd), mount it as a loop device, copy all the
files
> to some directory, and use one of the floppy disk images I mentioned
above.
> You don't need the ext CD because you cannot use it anyways as you don't
> have the possibility to change the disks when the files are only on your
> hard drive :-)





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[expert] Development Environment: Gnome or KDE?

[Rick Commo]

I apologize for asking a question that probably borders on religious, but
would love to get some kind of feedback on the following.  Hope it doesn't
come across as bogus.

Mandrake defaults to KDE on install, but includes Gnome.

Is there a strong feeling within the Linux (or at least Mandrake distro)
about which is the "long term best bet"?  (Too early to tell" is an
acceptable answer!)

My reason for asking is strictly selfish.  If I am going to invest time in
learning an Apps development suite does one or the other look better over
the long term?  I am learning this for the "joy" of it I do not work in the
Linux/Unix arena.

My background is one of having developed a number of engineering tools under
(then) Digital Unix using Motif.  That was 5/6 years ago.  Since then I have
been away from Unix/Linux.

In reading "GTK+ / Gnome Application Development", by Havoc Pennington it
seems like the Gnome environment is close to what I remember doing under
Motif. ("close" is relative here folks!!)  Picking up close to where I left
off is very tempting.

On the other hand, I am also reading "KDE Application Development" by Uwe
Thiem.  It seems a fair bit different and much more aligned with the C++
"way of life".  Learning something new has its advantages too.

Further throwing mud into the decision is a vaguely remembered reference in
some Linux mag a few months ago about Gnome coming on strong and being the
eventual "winner".

Not trying to stir up emotions here, just trying to get some idea of the
better way to go since I am starting with a clean slate for practical
purposes.

Thanks,
-rick




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Re: [expert] downloading newer images

[Alexander Skwar]

On Sun, Oct 01, 2000 at 07:18:08PM -0400, Harold Hartley wrote:
> is it possible to downloand the newer mandrake versions and install on system 
>without burning to a CD as I have no rewritable CD on my system..

Are you talking about the ISO images of the 7.2beta or about cooker?  With
cooker it is no problem at all.  Just download the whole cooker tree from
your favourite mirror, cat the network, hd or hdreiser floppy image to a
floppy disk and boot from that disk.

With the ISO images it is also possible.  You need to download only the 1st
image (not the extension cd), mount it as a loop device, copy all the files
to some directory, and use one of the floppy disk images I mentioned above. 
You don't need the ext CD because you cannot use it anyways as you don't
have the possibility to change the disks when the files are only on your
hard drive :-)

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RE: [expert] Problems with KDE2 login

[Rick Commo]

>>go to /etc/sysconfig/desktop and replace KDE by GNOME.. and u'll get the
>>GNOME login screen!.. from ther eu can login and it'll by default take u
to
>>KDE 2..

How is this different than changing the "session type" on the login
dialog?  My choices there are a whole bunch of different managers!
I did login in with Gnome and see that /etc/sysconfig/desktop is
still set to KDE.  So does this parameter determine the default
desktop?  The login screen seemed to remember my choice as soon as
I typed in my name.

>>
>>also remember not to start the KDE screensaver.. it won't let u login
again
>>;).. so i am using xscreensaver from konsole!

If you've set your environment to Gnome, why would it use the KDE
screensaver?






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Re: [expert] What is LPRO?

[Alexander Skwar]

On Sun, Oct 01, 2000 at 10:42:35AM -0600, Praedor Tempus wrote:
> Since upgrading my system to XFree86-4.0.1, I have been unable

Did you file a bug at Mandrakes bugzilla at
https://qa.mandrakesoft.com/dimension/cgi-bin/index.cgi ? Doing this will
make sure that the right persons get notified of the bug and thus will make
it disappear in the future.

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[expert] downloading newer images

[Harold Hartley]

is it possible to downloand the newer mandrake 
versions and install on system without burning to a CD as I have no rewritable 
CD on my system..
 
thanks
Harold
 

[expert] Random X freezes?

[James Little]

Here's my problem:
Every once in a while, X will just lock up completely.  I know it is the
X-server and not the machine, cause I can use Windows X-server from another
machine, and I can still rlogin, telnet, and FTP in.  When it locks the only
thing I can do is come in remotely and kill the session.  I have tried to
trace the times, apps, and event's happening to cause this, but it seems
very random.  2K on this same machine doesn't do this.  What could be
happening.  I does it wether I'm OCed or not.

I did an upgrade the first time, kept my home partition and reinstalled the
second time, clean re-installed the third time, and put 2K on the second
drive and Mandrake on the firts drive the last time I installed.  What could
be going on?

Here's my machine:

Heat is not a problem.

Abit BF6
PIII 800@ 1066
512MB Micron PC-133 RAM
Adaptec 29160 SCSI adapter
2x IBM 9.1GB 10K Ultra-160 SCSI Hdd's
Pioneer 10x DVD-ROM SCSI
Hollywood decoder card(absouletly useless under Linux)
Toshiba 8x8x24 CDRW SCSI
Soundbalster Live Sound Card
3DFx Voodoo 3 2000 PCI video card
Netgear FA410 10/100 NIC
Actiontek 56K PCI call-waiting modem
I&C Inc 400w PSU
Microsoft Intellimouse
Generic 102Key keyboard
 




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[expert] Netscape java bug. Is there a fix??

[marcus2]

I know there is a anoying bug in netscape.  It 
crashes on Java pages.  However I tried Suse once (big mistake I 
admit)  and their netscape does not crash.  They made a script or 
wrapper or whatever to fix the problem.  I spend hours online also with 
java enabled and netscape did not crash once!!
 
I am wondering if there is a fix for netscape 
distributed with mandrake.  I know netscape in mandrake and redhat still 
crashes with javapages.  very annoying.  But if suse can fix it why 
can't it be fixed by mandrake??
 
Marcus

Re: [expert] What is LPRO?

[marcus2]

Also check the file, packages dependies, verification etc  for file:
/usr/share/icons/large/sketch.xpm   and kcontrol, whereever that file is
located (try  command :  locate kcontrol)

Marcus
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> Hello,
>
> Here is one such message I typically get when I try to run any kde app
> (from xterm):
>
> ** WARNING **: Unable to find handler for file:
> /usr/share/icons/large/sketch.xpm
> kcontrol: error in loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.2:
> undefined symbol: .LPR0
> ex.lpro
>
> I am then back at the command prompt.  I get this when I try to run
> konsole, kedit, etc.
>
> I have tried recompiling qt-1.1.4 and kde rpms but the result has been,
> thus far, the same.
>
> Bill Piety wrote:
> >
> > Praedor Tempus wrote:
> >
> > > Since upgrading my system to XFree86-4.0.1, I have been unable
> > > to run kde or kde apps.  I tried downloading all the kde-1.1.2
> > > src rpms, as well as qt-1.44 (and qt2) src rpms.  I rebuilt
> [...]
> > > Gnome runs OK.  If I open an xterm and try to start konsole or
> > > kedit, I get a message about an unknown reference in kdecoreui
> > > to LPRO.  What is LPRO?  Where does it derive so I can get it,
> > > compile it?  I assume it is contained in an rpm that I have, as
> > > yet, not downloaded and built.
> [...]
> > Could you post the exact message? I'm only familiar with lpro as akin to
a
> > file
> > extension in DOS. It's a script file generated during another process
(ie
> > tex.lpro generating texc.lpro) and I don't believe seen on a typical
Mandrake
> > installation.
>
>






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Re: [expert] What is LPRO?

[marcus2]

This typically sound like your shared library is not properly installed.
never heard of LPRO (is that O or zero) but if it cannot load
/usr/lib/libkdecore.so.2  then this should be fixed.  maybe check to which
package /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.2  belongs to.  (command:  rpm -qfv
/usr/lib/libkdecore.so.2) then verify if it is installed correct with
 rpm -V   (e.g. rpm -V kdelibs).  You can alwasys try to
install it again by doing the command:   rpm -ivh --force .
Maybe a goos idea is to check if all your dependencies of the packages are
working ok.

If this does not help I am out of suggestions for now.

Marcus
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From: "Praedor Tempus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2000 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: [expert] What is LPRO?


> Hello,
>
> Here is one such message I typically get when I try to run any kde app
> (from xterm):
>
> ** WARNING **: Unable to find handler for file:
> /usr/share/icons/large/sketch.xpm
> kcontrol: error in loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.2:
> undefined symbol: .LPR0
> ex.lpro
>
> I am then back at the command prompt.  I get this when I try to run
> konsole, kedit, etc.
>
> I have tried recompiling qt-1.1.4 and kde rpms but the result has been,
> thus far, the same.
>
> Bill Piety wrote:
> >
> > Praedor Tempus wrote:
> >
> > > Since upgrading my system to XFree86-4.0.1, I have been unable
> > > to run kde or kde apps.  I tried downloading all the kde-1.1.2
> > > src rpms, as well as qt-1.44 (and qt2) src rpms.  I rebuilt
> [...]
> > > Gnome runs OK.  If I open an xterm and try to start konsole or
> > > kedit, I get a message about an unknown reference in kdecoreui
> > > to LPRO.  What is LPRO?  Where does it derive so I can get it,
> > > compile it?  I assume it is contained in an rpm that I have, as
> > > yet, not downloaded and built.
> [...]
> > Could you post the exact message? I'm only familiar with lpro as akin to
a
> > file
> > extension in DOS. It's a script file generated during another process
(ie
> > tex.lpro generating texc.lpro) and I don't believe seen on a typical
Mandrake
> > installation.
>
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Re: [expert] What is LPRO?

[Bill Piety]

Praedor Tempus wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Here is one such message I typically get when I try to run any kde app
> (from xterm):
>
> ** WARNING **: Unable to find handler for file:
> /usr/share/icons/large/sketch.xpm
> kcontrol: error in loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.2:
> undefined symbol: .LPR0
> ex.lpro
>
> I am then back at the command prompt.  I get this when I try to run
> konsole, kedit, etc.
>
> I have tried recompiling qt-1.1.4 and kde rpms but the result has been,
> thus far, the same.
>
> Bill Piety wrote:
> >
> > Praedor Tempus wrote:
> >
> > > Since upgrading my system to XFree86-4.0.1, I have been unable
> > > to run kde or kde apps.  I tried downloading all the kde-1.1.2
> > > src rpms, as well as qt-1.44 (and qt2) src rpms.  I rebuilt
> [...]
> > > Gnome runs OK.  If I open an xterm and try to start konsole or
> > > kedit, I get a message about an unknown reference in kdecoreui
> > > to LPRO.  What is LPRO?  Where does it derive so I can get it,
> > > compile it?  I assume it is contained in an rpm that I have, as
> > > yet, not downloaded and built.
> [...]
> > Could you post the exact message? I'm only familiar with lpro as akin to a
> > file
> > extension in DOS. It's a script file generated during another process (ie
> > tex.lpro generating texc.lpro) and I don't believe seen on a typical Mandrake
> > installation.
>
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A little progress - thought you had capitalized .LPR0 for emphasis. My mistake.
Your problem probably comes from the fact that you compiled kdelibs but used
a pre-built kdebase. I'm no programmer, but .LPR0 would be found in your source
scripts. Someone who programs would be able to define it's use. Wait for further
input, but you'll probably have to go with all pre-builts or find out why your
kdebase won't build.



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Re: [expert] Where is all my memory going?

[Vic]

No problemmo dude, glad to help out however
I can, LongLiveLinux!!!

On Sun, 01 Oct 2000, Jeff Malka wrote:
> 
> Thank you very much
> 
> Jeff Malka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Registered Linux user  183185
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Vic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2000 11:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [expert] Where is all my memory going?
> 
> 
> > Well unless I miss my guess, it looks like the natural Linux
> > memory allocation, usually Linux as well as any other unix
> > will allocate almost all its memory for things, whether its
> > used and shared, buffer, or cache.
> >
> > If you open a terminal and type xosview
> > this little app will show you what is going on
> > in memory a little more in detail as far as
> > colours go, it separates the different
> > colours out to illustrate what it is doing,
> > hope htis helps.
> >
> > Vic
> >
> > On Sun, 01 Oct 2000, Jeff Malka wrote:
> > >
> > > I am running Mandrake 7.1 and KDE and being a newbie am just starting to
> look
> > > at top.  I know that both x and KDE are memory hogs, but I need them for
> now as
> > > I learn my way around.  Even so, I cannot believe that with nothing on
> but
> > > these two and a kconsole, I am using up 73 MB of ram!
> > >
> > > I still do not know enough to understand all the processes that are
> running.
> > > Could someone look at this top printout and suggest to me what seems to
> be
> > > taking up so much memory?
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > > ...
> > >9:30am  up  8:55,  2 users,  load average: 0.07, 0.34, 0.55
> > > 65 processes: 63 sleeping, 2 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped
> > > CPU states:  1.9% user,  1.9% system,  0.0% nice, 96.0% idle
> > > Mem:81500K av,   73036K used,8464K free,   0K shrd,2016K
> buff
> > > Swap:  209624K av,2116K used,  207508K free   28376K
> cached
> > >
> > >   PID USER PRI  NI  SIZE  RSS SHARE STAT  LIB %CPU %MEM   TIME
> COMMAND
> > >   683 root  19   0 10344  10M  1516 R   0  1.9 12.6 165:43 X
> > > 20753 jeff  10   0   888  888   692 R   0  1.1  1.0   0:01 top
> > > 20738 jeff   5   0  3640 3640  2796 S   0  0.5  4.4   0:00
> gnome-termin
> > > 1 root   0   0   472  472   412 S   0  0.0  0.5   0:01 init
> > > 2 root   0   0 00 0 SW  0  0.0  0.0   0:00
> kflushd
> > > 3 root   0   0 00 0 SW  0  0.0  0.0   0:01
> kupdate
> > > 4 root   0   0 00 0 SW  0  0.0  0.0   0:00 kpiod
> > > 5 root   0   0 00 0 SW  0  0.0  0.0   0:01
> kswapd
> > > 6 root -20 -20 00 0 SW< 0  0.0  0.0   0:00
> mdrecoveryd
> > >   282 bin0   0   292  284   220 S   0  0.0  0.3   0:00
> portmap
> > >   332 root   0   0   512  512   392 S   0  0.0  0.6   0:03
> syslogd
> > >   340 root   0   0   732  732   312 S   0  0.0  0.8   0:00 klogd
> > >   353 nobody 0   0   448  428   344 S   0  0.0  0.5   0:00
> identd
> > >   356 nobody 0   0   448  428   344 S   0  0.0  0.5   0:00
> identd
> > >   357 nobody 0   0   448  428   344 S   0  0.0  0.5   0:00
> identd
> > >   358 nobody 0   0   448  428   344 S   0  0.0  0.5   0:00
> identd
> > >   359 nobody 0   0   448  428   344 S   0  0.0  0.5   0:00
> identd
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[expert] Quicken 2K and wine

[Chris Hoover]

Does anyone know how to get quicken 2K to work with wine?  I would really
love to get it working since it is the main reason I have to reboot into NT
(besides games).

Thanks,

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Re: [expert] LILO Default O/S

[Sarang Lakare]

open drakconf (a little icon on the top left) and configure lilo.. set
windows to default and next time u boot, it'll be default!

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Re: [expert] LILO Default O/S

[Craig Van Degrift]

John Lilley wrote:
>How can I change the default Operating System in LILO to Windows? My kids
> are getting very confused having to press TAB and type in Windows!

In /etc/lilo.conf there should be a line "label=windows" in an "other"
section.  You need to have a matching line in the global section of lilo.conf
(near the beginning) that says "default=windows" instead of "default=linux". 
Afterwards, be sure to run /sbin/lilo to implement the change.  See man
lilo.conf.  (This is really a question for the newbie list, not here.)

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Re: [expert] What is LPRO?

[Rial Juan]

hmm. I'm not a coder or anything, but it seems to me like something is
not properly linked, or some library or whatever is not installed on
your system. As I said, I'm not a coder, but it looks to me like it's
some variable name that's used in the program, and which is never
initialized.

On Oct 1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> Here is one such message I typically get when I try to run any kde app
> (from xterm):
> 
> ** WARNING **: Unable to find handler for file:
> /usr/share/icons/large/sketch.xpm
> kcontrol: error in loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.2:
> undefined symbol: .LPR0
> ex.lpro
> 
> I am then back at the command prompt.  I get this when I try to run
> konsole, kedit, etc.
> 
> I have tried recompiling qt-1.1.4 and kde rpms but the result has been,
> thus far, the same.
> 


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Re: [expert] Where is all my memory going?

[Sarang Lakare]

Jeff, 

The 74MB used memory that you see is not the actual memory usage coz that
includes buffered and cached memory which will be given away to
applications if needed. The standard way of a unix system to allocate
memory is to allocate as much memory as possible .. so most of the memory
is used up for caching and buffering.. but given away to applications on
demand. To get the correct perspective, type free in console..

u'll get a output like :

~ > free
 total   used   free sharedbuffers cached
Mem:517044 513296   3748 308260 166096 161724
-/+ buffers/cache: 185476 331568
Swap:  1044184  119361032248
~ > 

My used memory (seen by top and others) is 513MB, but the actual used
memory is only 185MB.. that means the remaing is used as buffer and cache
by the kernel. Thus, an application needing the remaining memory will get
it as and when it asks for it.. but when no application is running, the
linux kernel is intelligent enuff to make full use of the remaining unused
memory! I hope you got that!

The advantage of caching and buffering is that.. say u open a file.. it
will be in the memory as a cache.. so even if u close the application that
was reading/using the file, and u reopen the app and reopen the same file
again, it'll be opened instantly coz  it was in the memory! thus increasing
speed tremendously!

And as someone suggested, use xosview.. its an excellent little app to
monitor u're resources!

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Re: [expert] ifup ppp0

[Rial Juan]

And it's configured OK? It seems like you forgot to setup your dialin
account. You can easily do this with netconf, for example.

On Oct 1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> when i type ifup ppp0 the modem will come on but not dial and then it will
> go back off.  any ideas what could be happening? i'm running mandrake
> 7.2beta


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Re: [expert] Problems with KDE2 login

[Sarang Lakare]

Hey,

I know exactly what you are talking about!! I had the exact same problem
when I upgraded to the latest packages from cooker the other day.. I mailed
this list but nobody responded.. Its def. a bug in KDE.. Here is the
solution..

go to /etc/sysconfig/desktop and replace KDE by GNOME.. and u'll get the
GNOME login screen!.. from ther eu can login and it'll by default take u to
KDE 2.. 

also remember not to start the KDE screensaver.. it won't let u login again
;).. so i am using xscreensaver from konsole!

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[expert] LILO Default O/S

[johnlilley]

Dear Expert,
 
How can I change the default Operating System in 
LILO to Windows? My kids are getting very confused having to press TAB and type 
in Windows!
 
Yours Sincerely 
 
John Lilley

Re: [expert] What is LPRO?

[Praedor Tempus]

Hello,

Here is one such message I typically get when I try to run any kde app
(from xterm):

** WARNING **: Unable to find handler for file:
/usr/share/icons/large/sketch.xpm
kcontrol: error in loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.2:
undefined symbol: .LPR0
ex.lpro

I am then back at the command prompt.  I get this when I try to run
konsole, kedit, etc.

I have tried recompiling qt-1.1.4 and kde rpms but the result has been,
thus far, the same.

Bill Piety wrote:
> 
> Praedor Tempus wrote:
> 
> > Since upgrading my system to XFree86-4.0.1, I have been unable
> > to run kde or kde apps.  I tried downloading all the kde-1.1.2
> > src rpms, as well as qt-1.44 (and qt2) src rpms.  I rebuilt
[...]
> > Gnome runs OK.  If I open an xterm and try to start konsole or
> > kedit, I get a message about an unknown reference in kdecoreui
> > to LPRO.  What is LPRO?  Where does it derive so I can get it,
> > compile it?  I assume it is contained in an rpm that I have, as
> > yet, not downloaded and built.
[...]
> Could you post the exact message? I'm only familiar with lpro as akin to a
> file
> extension in DOS. It's a script file generated during another process (ie
> tex.lpro generating texc.lpro) and I don't believe seen on a typical Mandrake
> installation.



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[expert] Mail Handling

[Chris Spencer]

Hello,

I think I need something explained to me.

I am the only person that uses my Linux box. I have a POP account on my ISP 
which I use fetchmail to retrieve my messages and procmail to deliver them. I 
have it set up as a cron job as follows: fetchmail -m "/usr/bin/procmail -f -"

I have noticed that after the cron job executes I get the following messages 
in syslog:

Necropolis CROND[1980]: (cspencer) CMD (fetchmail -m "/usr/bin/procmail -f -")

Necropolis postfix/sendmail[1982]: fatal: No maildrop directory maildrop:  No 
such file or directory

Necropolis CROND[1978]: (cspencer) MAIL (mailed 55 byes of output but got 
status 0x0001)

The interesting thing is that both Postfix and Sendmail are disabled, so I 
don't exactly know why its generating messages.

Can soneone help explain this to me and what I can do to get rid of the 
messages?

-Chris



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Re: [expert] Where is all my memory going?

[Jeff Malka]

Thank you very much

Jeff Malka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Registered Linux user  183185

- Original Message -
From: Vic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2000 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: [expert] Where is all my memory going?


> Well unless I miss my guess, it looks like the natural Linux
> memory allocation, usually Linux as well as any other unix
> will allocate almost all its memory for things, whether its
> used and shared, buffer, or cache.
>
> If you open a terminal and type xosview
> this little app will show you what is going on
> in memory a little more in detail as far as
> colours go, it separates the different
> colours out to illustrate what it is doing,
> hope htis helps.
>
> Vic
>
> On Sun, 01 Oct 2000, Jeff Malka wrote:
> >
> > I am running Mandrake 7.1 and KDE and being a newbie am just starting to
look
> > at top.  I know that both x and KDE are memory hogs, but I need them for
now as
> > I learn my way around.  Even so, I cannot believe that with nothing on
but
> > these two and a kconsole, I am using up 73 MB of ram!
> >
> > I still do not know enough to understand all the processes that are
running.
> > Could someone look at this top printout and suggest to me what seems to
be
> > taking up so much memory?
> >
> > Thanks.
> > ...
> >9:30am  up  8:55,  2 users,  load average: 0.07, 0.34, 0.55
> > 65 processes: 63 sleeping, 2 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped
> > CPU states:  1.9% user,  1.9% system,  0.0% nice, 96.0% idle
> > Mem:81500K av,   73036K used,8464K free,   0K shrd,2016K
buff
> > Swap:  209624K av,2116K used,  207508K free   28376K
cached
> >
> >   PID USER PRI  NI  SIZE  RSS SHARE STAT  LIB %CPU %MEM   TIME
COMMAND
> >   683 root  19   0 10344  10M  1516 R   0  1.9 12.6 165:43 X
> > 20753 jeff  10   0   888  888   692 R   0  1.1  1.0   0:01 top
> > 20738 jeff   5   0  3640 3640  2796 S   0  0.5  4.4   0:00
gnome-termin
> > 1 root   0   0   472  472   412 S   0  0.0  0.5   0:01 init
> > 2 root   0   0 00 0 SW  0  0.0  0.0   0:00
kflushd
> > 3 root   0   0 00 0 SW  0  0.0  0.0   0:01
kupdate
> > 4 root   0   0 00 0 SW  0  0.0  0.0   0:00 kpiod
> > 5 root   0   0 00 0 SW  0  0.0  0.0   0:01
kswapd
> > 6 root -20 -20 00 0 SW< 0  0.0  0.0   0:00
mdrecoveryd
> >   282 bin0   0   292  284   220 S   0  0.0  0.3   0:00
portmap
> >   332 root   0   0   512  512   392 S   0  0.0  0.6   0:03
syslogd
> >   340 root   0   0   732  732   312 S   0  0.0  0.8   0:00 klogd
> >   353 nobody 0   0   448  428   344 S   0  0.0  0.5   0:00
identd
> >   356 nobody 0   0   448  428   344 S   0  0.0  0.5   0:00
identd
> >   357 nobody 0   0   448  428   344 S   0  0.0  0.5   0:00
identd
> >   358 nobody 0   0   448  428   344 S   0  0.0  0.5   0:00
identd
> >   359 nobody 0   0   448  428   344 S   0  0.0  0.5   0:00
identd
> >
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Re: [expert] Where is all my memory going?

[Jeff Malka]

> First of all, open up top again.  When it starts, press the 'M' key (caps
> necessary).  This will sort the display by memory usage.
Will do.

> Anyway, what are you using this machine for?  A server?  A workstation?
> Do you need printing?  Remote web-based administration?  Sound?  USB
> support?
> And how much RAM do you have?  And how much swap space do you have?
> Answer the questions, and I'll give you help!

Thank you.  This is a home workstation, not linked to a lan but used for
dialup internet access via modem.  Would like sound.  Need printing.  Need X
till I learn more about Linux.  Don't need USB.  I have 84 MB ram and a 204
MB swapfile.



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Subject: Re: [expert] Where is all my memory going?


> First of all, open up top again.  When it starts, press the 'M' key (caps
> necessary).  This will sort the display by memory usage.  That printout is
> more useful than the other one (because that was sorted by processor
> usage, not RAM usage).
>
> Anyway, what are you using this machine for?  A server?  A workstation?
> Do you need printing?  Remote web-based administration?  Sound?  USB
> support?
>
> And how much RAM do you have?  And how much swap space do you have?
>
> Answer the questions, and I'll give you help!
>
> -- Asheesh Laroia.
>
>
>
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Re: [expert] What is LPRO?

[Bill Piety]

Praedor Tempus wrote:

> Since upgrading my system to XFree86-4.0.1, I have been unable
> to run kde or kde apps.  I tried downloading all the kde-1.1.2
> src rpms, as well as qt-1.44 (and qt2) src rpms.  I rebuilt
> all the kde-1.1.2 src rpms except kde-base-1.1.2-61mdk, which
> refuses to build for me.  I decided to forego that for now and
> installed the mandrake 7.1 binary for kdebase, but I still cannot
> run any kde app.
>
> Gnome runs OK.  If I open an xterm and try to start konsole or
> kedit, I get a message about an unknown reference in kdecoreui
> to LPRO.  What is LPRO?  Where does it derive so I can get it,
> compile it?  I assume it is contained in an rpm that I have, as
> yet, not downloaded and built.
>
> Running an rpmfind search of any type fails to find anything
> related to LPRO.  Doing a search of rufus.rpmfind.net also
> fails to turn up anything useful.  Doing a google search
> doesn't help either.
>
> Any aid would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thank you
> praedor
>
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Could you post the exact message? I'm only familiar with lpro as akin to a
file
extension in DOS. It's a script file generated during another process (ie
tex.lpro generating texc.lpro) and I don't believe seen on a typical Mandrake
installation.


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[expert] IP Chains Problem

[Kumba]

I'm having some trouble getting a set of IP Chains
rulesets to work.  Either I've got them setup wrong or
something...  I'm trying to block off the open port
mysqld and lpd are lustening on on my external IP.  I
only need both of them to listen on the internal IP
Address, cause most data flow to those programs occurs
internally.  Hence I'm trying to use IP Chains to
block off their ports.  

A telnet to my IP Address on port 3306 fails, but you
get a human readable error form MySQL saying your not
allowed to connect.  So I'm trying the following two
IP Chains rules to block it.  I think they are right
and should do so:

/sbin/ipchains -A input -i eth0 -p tcp -d $extip 3306
-l -j REJECT
/sbin/ipchains -A input -i eth0 -p udp -d $extip 3306
-l -j REJECT

$extip is my external IP..

However, after re-running the IP Chains script I have,
a telnet to the external IP on 3306 still causes that
error, and a netstat -r still shows a connection was
made briefly.  If there is anything messed up in my
ruleset, let me know.. I took the portscan thingy at
www.hackerwhacker.com and they said closing these two
ports should be a priority.

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[expert] What is LPRO?

[Praedor Tempus]

Since upgrading my system to XFree86-4.0.1, I have been unable
to run kde or kde apps.  I tried downloading all the kde-1.1.2
src rpms, as well as qt-1.44 (and qt2) src rpms.  I rebuilt
all the kde-1.1.2 src rpms except kde-base-1.1.2-61mdk, which
refuses to build for me.  I decided to forego that for now and
installed the mandrake 7.1 binary for kdebase, but I still cannot
run any kde app.  

Gnome runs OK.  If I open an xterm and try to start konsole or 
kedit, I get a message about an unknown reference in kdecoreui
to LPRO.  What is LPRO?  Where does it derive so I can get it,
compile it?  I assume it is contained in an rpm that I have, as
yet, not downloaded and built.

Running an rpmfind search of any type fails to find anything 
related to LPRO.  Doing a search of rufus.rpmfind.net also
fails to turn up anything useful.  Doing a google search
doesn't help either.

Any aid would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you
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Re: [expert] Where is all my memory going?

[Asheesh Laroia]

On Sun, 1 Oct 2000, Jeff Malka wrote:

> I am running Mandrake 7.1 and KDE and being a newbie am just starting
> to look at top.  I know that both x and KDE are memory hogs, but I
> need them for now as I learn my way around.  Even so, I cannot believe
> that with nothing on but these two and a kconsole, I am using up 73 MB
> of ram!

First of all, open up top again.  When it starts, press the 'M' key (caps
necessary).  This will sort the display by memory usage.  That printout is
more useful than the other one (because that was sorted by processor
usage, not RAM usage).

Anyway, what are you using this machine for?  A server?  A workstation?  
Do you need printing?  Remote web-based administration?  Sound?  USB
support?

And how much RAM do you have?  And how much swap space do you have?

Answer the questions, and I'll give you help!

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Re: [expert] Where is all my memory going?

[Vic]

Well unless I miss my guess, it looks like the natural Linux
memory allocation, usually Linux as well as any other unix
will allocate almost all its memory for things, whether its
used and shared, buffer, or cache.

If you open a terminal and type xosview
this little app will show you what is going on
in memory a little more in detail as far as
colours go, it separates the different 
colours out to illustrate what it is doing,
hope htis helps.

Vic

On Sun, 01 Oct 2000, Jeff Malka wrote:
> 
> I am running Mandrake 7.1 and KDE and being a newbie am just starting to look
> at top.  I know that both x and KDE are memory hogs, but I need them for now as
> I learn my way around.  Even so, I cannot believe that with nothing on but
> these two and a kconsole, I am using up 73 MB of ram!
> 
> I still do not know enough to understand all the processes that are running. 
> Could someone look at this top printout and suggest to me what seems to be
> taking up so much memory?
> 
> Thanks.
> ...
>9:30am  up  8:55,  2 users,  load average: 0.07, 0.34, 0.55
> 65 processes: 63 sleeping, 2 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped
> CPU states:  1.9% user,  1.9% system,  0.0% nice, 96.0% idle
> Mem:81500K av,   73036K used,8464K free,   0K shrd,2016K buff
> Swap:  209624K av,2116K used,  207508K free   28376K cached
> 
>   PID USER PRI  NI  SIZE  RSS SHARE STAT  LIB %CPU %MEM   TIME COMMAND
>   683 root  19   0 10344  10M  1516 R   0  1.9 12.6 165:43 X
> 20753 jeff  10   0   888  888   692 R   0  1.1  1.0   0:01 top
> 20738 jeff   5   0  3640 3640  2796 S   0  0.5  4.4   0:00 gnome-termin
> 1 root   0   0   472  472   412 S   0  0.0  0.5   0:01 init
> 2 root   0   0 00 0 SW  0  0.0  0.0   0:00 kflushd
> 3 root   0   0 00 0 SW  0  0.0  0.0   0:01 kupdate
> 4 root   0   0 00 0 SW  0  0.0  0.0   0:00 kpiod
> 5 root   0   0 00 0 SW  0  0.0  0.0   0:01 kswapd
> 6 root -20 -20 00 0 SW< 0  0.0  0.0   0:00 mdrecoveryd
>   282 bin0   0   292  284   220 S   0  0.0  0.3   0:00 portmap
>   332 root   0   0   512  512   392 S   0  0.0  0.6   0:03 syslogd
>   340 root   0   0   732  732   312 S   0  0.0  0.8   0:00 klogd
>   353 nobody 0   0   448  428   344 S   0  0.0  0.5   0:00 identd
>   356 nobody 0   0   448  428   344 S   0  0.0  0.5   0:00 identd
>   357 nobody 0   0   448  428   344 S   0  0.0  0.5   0:00 identd
>   358 nobody 0   0   448  428   344 S   0  0.0  0.5   0:00 identd
>   359 nobody 0   0   448  428   344 S   0  0.0  0.5   0:00 identd
> 
> -- 
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> 
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[expert] ifup ppp0

[Steve Young]

when i type ifup ppp0 the modem will come on but not dial and then it will
go back off.  any ideas what could be happening? i'm running mandrake
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Re: [expert] rmmod -as processes in uninterruptible sleep

[Mark Weaver]

Ken,

Is it possible to put the drives to sleep, but not uninterruptable
sleep? If so, I would think that would be a desirable alternative. I've
got a drive that I wouldn't mind doing just that too, but until I read
your post I hadn't had any idea just how to do that.

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On Mon, 25 Sep 2000 3:00am ,Ken Wahl spake passionately in a  message:

> Hi all,
> 
> I made the "discovery" earlier today that I could put idle hard drives to
> sleep with hdparm.  I have 3 IDE drives: 1 that is for rarely used
> wintendo, 1 that is currently blank but DOS formatted waiting for me to
> install FreeBSD, and the third for Linux.  I issued hdparm -s commands for
> the first two drives and added hdparm -S 241 for all three drives in
> rc.local (but didn't reboot).
> 
> I came back to the computer 5 hours later and ran top and found ~78 crond
> in uninterruptible sleep, and load averages in the 80's even though CPU
> utilization was only about 4%.  Not knowing any better, I tried to kill
> them and of course they wouldn't budge.  The offending cron job was the
> kmod script in /etc/cron.d/kmod which issues a rmmod -as to unload
> unneccessary modules every 10 minutes.
> 
> After doing some reading I realized I wasn't going to be able to kill or
> reset the cronds in unint. sleep and would have to reboot since it had
> been hours and no timeout had expired to reawaken the cronds.  I sweared a
> blue streak and commented out the rmmod command in /etc/cron.d/kmod,
> removed the hdparm -S for my linux drive in rc.sysinit and rebooted.
> 
> Since the first two drives were in standby mode, during shutdown umount
> didn't want to wait for those drives to spin up to unmount the DOS
> partitions and gave up before unmounting my linux drive partitions
> (/dev/hdc1-3) forcing an fsck on boot-up.
> 
> Once booted up again, I removed the two non-linux drives from fstab and
> unmounted them manually to avoid the umount wait problem on shutdown. I
> don't really have any need to access those drives while running linux
> anyway.  So I rebooted again and everything is back to normal.
> 
> My questions are:
> 
> How could I have prevented this other than not putting those drives to
> sleep?  It seems like a waste to have them spinning constantly for no
> reason.
> 
> Would it be safe to reactivate the kmod cron job?  Is rmmod looking for
> loadable modules on other partitions beside my linux partitions?
> 
> What would be the repurcussions of not reactivating the kmod cron job? I'm
> only loading 3 small modules and have memory to spare.
> 
> Will having those 2 non-linux drives unmounted and in standby cause more
> jobs to be put in uninterruptible sleep, like when slocate updates is
> database every night?
> 
> Any other info/suggestions?
> 
> Thanks for your patience..
> 




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Re: [expert] reply-leadin-line

[Mark Weaver]

As you can see I managed to find the information I was looking for, but in
case you've already replied, thank you very much. It wasn't 10 minutes
after I posted this message that I went to the Washington.edu site and
found the answer I was looking for in the mailing list archives there. I
don't know why I didn't think of that first.  :)

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On Sun, 1 Oct 2000 9:45am ,Mark Weaver spake passionately in a  message:

> Hi list,
> 
> I was wondering the other day, and yes I was careful not to wonder too far
> :). Anyway, I was wondering what the system variables are the set in the
> reply-leadin-line so that I can get the day and date inserted along with a
> custom statement.
> 
> to clearify this is what I'm after;
> 
> On $DAY, $MONTH $ $FROM spake thusly in a message:
> 
> I haven't yet been able to work out what it should be, but I have noticed
> that others have done this very thing. And I am using Pine.
> 
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Re: [expert] Where is all my memory going?

[Rial Juan]

On Oct 1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I am running Mandrake 7.1 and KDE and being a newbie am ...

Then you should post on the newbie list perhaps?


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[expert] reply-leadin-line

[Mark Weaver]

Hi list,

I was wondering the other day, and yes I was careful not to wonder too far
:). Anyway, I was wondering what the system variables are the set in the
reply-leadin-line so that I can get the day and date inserted along with a
custom statement.

to clearify this is what I'm after;

On $DAY, $MONTH $ $FROM spake thusly in a message:

I haven't yet been able to work out what it should be, but I have noticed
that others have done this very thing. And I am using Pine.

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[expert] Where is all my memory going?

[Jeff Malka]

I am running Mandrake 7.1 and KDE and being a newbie am just starting to look
at top.  I know that both x and KDE are memory hogs, but I need them for now as
I learn my way around.  Even so, I cannot believe that with nothing on but
these two and a kconsole, I am using up 73 MB of ram!

I still do not know enough to understand all the processes that are running. 
Could someone look at this top printout and suggest to me what seems to be
taking up so much memory?

Thanks.
...
  9:30am  up  8:55,  2 users,  load average: 0.07, 0.34, 0.55
65 processes: 63 sleeping, 2 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped
CPU states:  1.9% user,  1.9% system,  0.0% nice, 96.0% idle
Mem:81500K av,   73036K used,8464K free,   0K shrd,2016K buff
Swap:  209624K av,2116K used,  207508K free   28376K cached

  PID USER PRI  NI  SIZE  RSS SHARE STAT  LIB %CPU %MEM   TIME COMMAND
  683 root  19   0 10344  10M  1516 R   0  1.9 12.6 165:43 X
20753 jeff  10   0   888  888   692 R   0  1.1  1.0   0:01 top
20738 jeff   5   0  3640 3640  2796 S   0  0.5  4.4   0:00 gnome-termin
1 root   0   0   472  472   412 S   0  0.0  0.5   0:01 init
2 root   0   0 00 0 SW  0  0.0  0.0   0:00 kflushd
3 root   0   0 00 0 SW  0  0.0  0.0   0:01 kupdate
4 root   0   0 00 0 SW  0  0.0  0.0   0:00 kpiod
5 root   0   0 00 0 SW  0  0.0  0.0   0:01 kswapd
6 root -20 -20 00 0 SW< 0  0.0  0.0   0:00 mdrecoveryd
  282 bin0   0   292  284   220 S   0  0.0  0.3   0:00 portmap
  332 root   0   0   512  512   392 S   0  0.0  0.6   0:03 syslogd
  340 root   0   0   732  732   312 S   0  0.0  0.8   0:00 klogd
  353 nobody 0   0   448  428   344 S   0  0.0  0.5   0:00 identd
  356 nobody 0   0   448  428   344 S   0  0.0  0.5   0:00 identd
  357 nobody 0   0   448  428   344 S   0  0.0  0.5   0:00 identd
  358 nobody 0   0   448  428   344 S   0  0.0  0.5   0:00 identd
  359 nobody 0   0   448  428   344 S   0  0.0  0.5   0:00 identd

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Re: [expert] new drive - moving directories

[Alan Shoemaker]

Patrick Erler wrote:
> 
> hello MANDRAKE!
> 
> i'd like to add a new harddrive to my system and move some of the
> bigger directories to it. i have basically no problem with the
> operation but one thing.
> 
> beside moving uncritical directories like /home i'd like to move my
> /var tree and /tmp to the new drive...
> 
> i'm afraid of crashing my system because there must be a time when the
> tree to be moved is not available to the system. i plan to
[snip]]

PATwere I undertaking such a task I'd avoid those concerns
by shuting down my system, booting up with tomsrtbt, making
the changes and then restarting my system.  The self contained
floppy based rescue system, tomsrtbt, can be obtained at: 

http://www.toms.net/rb/

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Re: [expert] new drive - moving directories

[Alexander Skwar]

On Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 10:49:32AM -0400, Hoyt wrote:
> It would be far simpler to boot to a floppy-based Linux
> like tomsrtbt to do the job.

If you suggest this, than my answer is: No!  The simplest thing would be to
go to init level 1 and do all the moving around.  And it's a lot faster than
booting tomsrtbt.

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