Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : No, I don't "accept things at face value." I probably think as much about them as you do, except it's a different kind of thinking, that incorporates, to the best of my knowledge and understanding, the spiritual elements in life, which you appear to dismiss because they cannot be measured in any way that science accepts. Exactly. There are many "instruments" through which to measure and weigh our experience, our world, our lives and what happens in those lives. Some of it involves known scientific findings about certain things, some involves using our knowledge as amassed over our years alive and some it is a combination of feeling, intuition and logic. There is not enough "science" to answer all the questions I have throughout a single day. Why Salyavin is "speechless" at the assertion that science (as we know it and practice it) is purely man made is almost beyond me. Is that what you think I'm speechless about? Actually I'm speechless that anyone can know so little about something and still trumpet it like they are some sort of master who has both understood and gone beyond the knowledge. You don't give me any impression that you know how science works or what it's limitations might be. Professor Poindexter, you might be dextrous with a test tube but your reading comprehension is severely lacking. I suggest you put the chemicals away and get some tutoring on your comprehension skills. The fact that you would write what you did is a classic case of exaggerating to the point of absurdity (grossly unscientific of you) or you are simply playing the same game that lummox who used to post here plays all the time. I, Ann, the "master who has both understood and gone beyond the knowledge" - guffaw. You wanna join my brethren and me and travel to the far corners of the galaxy on wings of supreme knowledge? He acts as if "science" is some absolute, perfect discipline that has existed and continues to exist as some separate entity and we have simply discovered it sitting there. You are hallucinating really severely here. Nonsense. Humans created the concept of science, they have made all the scientific parameters and the rules for how they go about investigating the universe. Certain laws they are discovering seem to be absolute and true but the discipline itself is all man made. That is what I think Salyavin perhaps misunderstood about my statement. But then, he does consider him the Professor Peabody of the group and has little time for the other ignoramuses like myself who he doesn't like anyway. Don't worry, I'll stick around and offer my Ha'pporth on any subject I choose regardless of whether I like you or not. And here I was kind of liking the "speechless" part. You sure you want your buddies over yonder to know you're hobnobbing with the unscientific over here? (I lived in England when they still had halfpennies, BTW, how great were they, eh?) (I think it has something to do with the fact I can't stand that blowhard bawee who he finds, personally, fascinating. I just see bawee as some crazy scientific experiment gone badly awry, LOL). You are hallucinating again. No, no take a look. The guy is an aberration of nature. He just has to be the result of some Dr Frankenstein getting a bit giddy with the cadaver parts. I think the great Dr must have replaced a brain with a turntable with a broken record on it and that needle just keeps skipping and skipping and skipping. This is fun, let's do it again. You didn't teach me anything scientific in this post but I'm a patient woman. Maybe next time you can explain why the Ouija board works. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : What I am interested in is the relationship between the visible and the invisible worlds -- how they interact. I doubt whether that would mean anything to you, but I find it fascinating. Since science does not acknowledge an invisible world, I doubt whether it can be of any help. I am talking about the interactions between humans and all the other beings that inhabit this universe in realms we do not see. Angels act at a distance all the time. Of course, as a fan of science you will think such a statement meaningless or absurd, but I encourage you to keep an open mind. The impression I have at the moment is that your mind is more closed than most. Closed mind eh? Ok, luckily for us I've got a mind open enough to actually try and engage with the accusation rather than simply dismissing it. There's a belief round here that "science" is some sort of dogmatic statement about reality that refuses to consider alternative ideas and viewpoints. This is wildly in error but I see how you arrived at it, the troubl
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : No, I don't "accept things at face value." I probably think as much about them as you do, except it's a different kind of thinking, that incorporates, to the best of my knowledge and understanding, the spiritual elements in life, which you appear to dismiss because they cannot be measured in any way that science accepts. Exactly. There are many "instruments" through which to measure and weigh our experience, our world, our lives and what happens in those lives. Some of it involves known scientific findings about certain things, some involves using our knowledge as amassed over our years alive and some it is a combination of feeling, intuition and logic. There is not enough "science" to answer all the questions I have throughout a single day. Why Salyavin is "speechless" at the assertion that science (as we know it and practice it) is purely man made is almost beyond me. Is that what you think I'm speechless about? Actually I'm speechless that anyone can know so little about something and still trumpet it like they are some sort of master who has both understood and gone beyond the knowledge. You don't give me any impression that you know how science works or what it's limitations might be. He acts as if "science" is some absolute, perfect discipline that has existed and continues to exist as some separate entity and we have simply discovered it sitting there. You are hallucinating really severely here. Nonsense. Humans created the concept of science, they have made all the scientific parameters and the rules for how they go about investigating the universe. Certain laws they are discovering seem to be absolute and true but the discipline itself is all man made. That is what I think Salyavin perhaps misunderstood about my statement. But then, he does consider him the Professor Peabody of the group and has little time for the other ignoramuses like myself who he doesn't like anyway. Don't worry, I'll stick around and offer my Ha'pporth on any subject I choose regardless of whether I like you or not. (I think it has something to do with the fact I can't stand that blowhard bawee who he finds, personally, fascinating. I just see bawee as some crazy scientific experiment gone badly awry, LOL). You are hallucinating again. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : What I am interested in is the relationship between the visible and the invisible worlds -- how they interact. I doubt whether that would mean anything to you, but I find it fascinating. Since science does not acknowledge an invisible world, I doubt whether it can be of any help. I am talking about the interactions between humans and all the other beings that inhabit this universe in realms we do not see. Angels act at a distance all the time. Of course, as a fan of science you will think such a statement meaningless or absurd, but I encourage you to keep an open mind. The impression I have at the moment is that your mind is more closed than most. Closed mind eh? Ok, luckily for us I've got a mind open enough to actually try and engage with the accusation rather than simply dismissing it. There's a belief round here that "science" is some sort of dogmatic statement about reality that refuses to consider alternative ideas and viewpoints. This is wildly in error but I see how you arrived at it, the trouble is you are joining the debate about what is and what isn't at a point when people who study psychology and parapsychology already have a rather good idea about what constitutes a reasonable explanation for things like angels. And it isn't invisible worlds. You may continue to believe in them if you wish but with no evidence other than "feelings" there's no reason for anybody else to. I think it's a problem of education that so many people these days are so ignorant of how science works. Ignorant isn't an insult BTW, it just means you don't know something. In order for me to persuade you there is merit in challenging beliefs and trying to work out what something means rather than taking it at face value I'd have to go through grade school education about physics, biology and chemistry and all the stuff that explains how the stuff of the universe actually works and extrapolate from that the likelihoods of their being angels and unicorns farting rainbows. It isn't narrow minded to dismiss something if it contradicts everything else you know, and this is exactly what scientists do not do! I didn't just dismiss Marshy when he said that consciousness is the unified field, I sat up because it isn't part of any mainstream thinking and asked for a further explanation. And I didn't get one. I read Marshy's books and sat through interminable lectures to no avail, if they know somethin
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!
This sentence makes no sense. But it interests me that the TMO publicity machine seems to have had it's way in how it relies on people's ignorance of physics history and understanding of forces and effects. It's their oldest method of working, use a few vaguely familiar sciencey-sounding phrases and use them to piggyback their own beliefs and hope you won't be able to tell the difference. Where we go beyond that, I don't know. I maintain that any body or an object with mass emits waves of some kind. Why on Earth would you want to maintain that? Because he is right, they do. LOL Where we go beyond that, I don't know. And yes, I believe celestial objects fall in to this somewhere. We are free to believe what we like. The TMO are trying to make money by claiming an actual physical effect. Still, I guess your response answers my question about who the letter was aimed at You're such a curmudgeon. Why? Someone has to stand up for reality. People like Steve who don't have a grounding in science are the intended recipients of this stuff. They'll bleed him dry if they get the chance. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : All you have to do is read the comments at the bottom of the Youtube video to see what people think of it.A sane person would distance themselves from such *nonsense*. I wouldn't be caught dead endorsing yogic flying and the TMO to create world peace. Might pull for it secretly though, kind of like a Muslim secretly pulling for a Caliphate. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 11:34 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%! Any idea why they are bothering with this? It doesn't even mention yogic flying so if anyone takes it at face value and does some research, they'll instantly find this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ And that will be that. Anyone looking still further might wonder why we haven't done it anyway if it works. And then we can say; we have been doing it. And yagyas too! So why doesn't it work? because it just doesn't. There is no action at a distance. None of the research goes anywhere proving that it does. The crime rate in Washington didn't fall any further than it randomly fluctuates over the year anyway, even the editors of the journal that one was published in weren't impressed. And the Lebanon study was even more pointless, does anyone look back at that time and wonder why there was a few fewer deaths than expected when there people meditating in Jerusalem? Of course not, because there wasn't. You can't say that more people would have died if we weren't meditating, how are you going to prove it? There are lies, there are damn lies and there are statistics If this amazing "technology" caused world peace we'd already have it, aren't there 250,000 meditators in South America now? The crime rate in Washington would have dropped to nothing if yogic flying worked. The war in Lebanon would have stopped. Even if it's as good as the claimed unmeasurable effects, how would that help in Syria? 10% fewer beheadings than last month? Wouldn't that interfere with Saudi Arabian justice a bit? They won't like that. Let's face it, it's a nice idea - one of the best, but if they can't even explain how it might work by any known mechanism let alone demonstrate that it does it's dead in the water. Perhaps that's why this advert is heavy on promises and light on explanation? Fess up guys, if it worked the amount of meditators, yagyas and pundits all over the world would have had us all dancing in the streets by now, but we appear to be stuck with having to come up with actual solutions for problems rather than hoping some stirrings of bliss in some mythical unified field will magically save the world. I convert for evidence, but I aint ever seen none for magic, nor even had it explained how it might work. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Published scientific studies show TM and advanced practices reduce war deaths and terrorism by more than 70%. (See the journals and statistics below in the middle column.) http://www.gusp.org/pdf/LetterToWorldLeaders.pdf http://www.gusp.org/pdf/LetterToWorldLeaders.pdf
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : No, I don't "accept things at face value." I probably think as much about them as you do, except it's a different kind of thinking, that incorporates, to the best of my knowledge and understanding, the spiritual elements in life, which you appear to dismiss because they cannot be measured in any way that science accepts. Exactly. There are many "instruments" through which to measure and weigh our experience, our world, our lives and what happens in those lives. Some of it involves known scientific findings about certain things, some involves using our knowledge as amassed over our years alive and some it is a combination of feeling, intuition and logic. There is not enough "science" to answer all the questions I have throughout a single day. Why Salyavin is "speechless" at the assertion that science (as we know it and practice it) is purely man made is almost beyond me. He acts as if "science" is some absolute, perfect discipline that has existed and continues to exist as some separate entity and we have simply discovered it sitting there. Nonsense. Humans created the concept of science, they have made all the scientific parameters and the rules for how they go about investigating the universe. Certain laws they are discovering seem to be absolute and true but the discipline itself is all man made. That is what I think Salyavin perhaps misunderstood about my statement. But then, he does consider him the Professor Peabody of the group and has little time for the other ignoramuses like myself who he doesn't like anyway (I think it has something to do with the fact I can't stand that blowhard bawee who he finds, personally, fascinating. I just see bawee as some crazy scientific experiment gone badly awry, LOL). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : What I am interested in is the relationship between the visible and the invisible worlds -- how they interact. I doubt whether that would mean anything to you, but I find it fascinating. Since science does not acknowledge an invisible world, I doubt whether it can be of any help. I am talking about the interactions between humans and all the other beings that inhabit this universe in realms we do not see. Angels act at a distance all the time. Of course, as a fan of science you will think such a statement meaningless or absurd, but I encourage you to keep an open mind. The impression I have at the moment is that your mind is more closed than most. Closed mind eh? Ok, luckily for us I've got a mind open enough to actually try and engage with the accusation rather than simply dismissing it. There's a belief round here that "science" is some sort of dogmatic statement about reality that refuses to consider alternative ideas and viewpoints. This is wildly in error but I see how you arrived at it, the trouble is you are joining the debate about what is and what isn't at a point when people who study psychology and parapsychology already have a rather good idea about what constitutes a reasonable explanation for things like angels. And it isn't invisible worlds. You may continue to believe in them if you wish but with no evidence other than "feelings" there's no reason for anybody else to. I think it's a problem of education that so many people these days are so ignorant of how science works. Ignorant isn't an insult BTW, it just means you don't know something. In order for me to persuade you there is merit in challenging beliefs and trying to work out what something means rather than taking it at face value I'd have to go through grade school education about physics, biology and chemistry and all the stuff that explains how the stuff of the universe actually works and extrapolate from that the likelihoods of their being angels and unicorns farting rainbows. It isn't narrow minded to dismiss something if it contradicts everything else you know, and this is exactly what scientists do not do! I didn't just dismiss Marshy when he said that consciousness is the unified field, I sat up because it isn't part of any mainstream thinking and asked for a further explanation. And I didn't get one. I read Marshy's books and sat through interminable lectures to no avail, if they know something deep about reality they sure aren't letting on what it actually is in a way it can be understood. The whole belief is explained only in wishy-washy terms in reference to other wishy-washy terms. This isn't the way physics works ad it's why nobody takes John Hagelin seriously. He has no argument to offer them that they can scrutinize. You'd think he would after all these decades. Not only that I've researched the whole story of unification and found that it was abandoned in the 70's by physicists because the only experiment anyone could think of to test it ended up disproving it. Even in Einste
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!
if we had the tools. As long as there is energy there is movement. If radio waves and all sorts of micro waves can be emitted and sent long or short distances through the atmosphere then brain waves are also doing the same thing. Even the beating of ones heart has some ability to be heard and felt outside of the body. I can't help you with your scientific illiteracy. But as your heart can be heard outside of your body a lot easier than your brainwaves can then maybe the Marshy Effect is caused by the slowing down of people's hearts being heard across warzones. Hmm, yes. That makes sense. But we can't and that isn't what they are claiming, the Marshy Effect is supposed to work on some sort of "unified field" that connects all things via our consciousness. Convenient that it seems to be an unmeasurable phenomena, or am I unreasonable in expecting a physical basis to claims for the physical world? Having an effect on a unified field doesn't mean the force, the energy of the brain waves are not somehow hitting outer atmosphere ie being felt outside of the brain and body. Sheesh. Sheesh what? This sentence makes no sense. But it interests me that the TMO publicity machine seems to have had it's way in how it relies on people's ignorance of physics history and understanding of forces and effects. It's their oldest method of working, use a few vaguely familiar sciencey-sounding phrases and use them to piggyback their own beliefs and hope you won't be able to tell the difference. Where we go beyond that, I don't know. I maintain that any body or an object with mass emits waves of some kind. Why on Earth would you want to maintain that? Because he is right, they do. LOL Where we go beyond that, I don't know. And yes, I believe celestial objects fall in to this somewhere. We are free to believe what we like. The TMO are trying to make money by claiming an actual physical effect. Still, I guess your response answers my question about who the letter was aimed at You're such a curmudgeon. Why? Someone has to stand up for reality. People like Steve who don't have a grounding in science are the intended recipients of this stuff. They'll bleed him dry if they get the chance. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : All you have to do is read the comments at the bottom of the Youtube video to see what people think of it.A sane person would distance themselves from such *nonsense*. I wouldn't be caught dead endorsing yogic flying and the TMO to create world peace. Might pull for it secretly though, kind of like a Muslim secretly pulling for a Caliphate. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 11:34 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%! Any idea why they are bothering with this? It doesn't even mention yogic flying so if anyone takes it at face value and does some research, they'll instantly find this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ And that will be that. Anyone looking still further might wonder why we haven't done it anyway if it works. And then we can say; we have been doing it. And yagyas too! So why doesn't it work? because it just doesn't. There is no action at a distance. None of the research goes anywhere proving that it does. The crime rate in Washington didn't fall any further than it randomly fluctuates over the year anyway, even the editors of the journal that one was published in weren't impressed. And the Lebanon study was even more pointless, does anyone look back at that time and wonder why there was a few fewer deaths than expected when there people meditating in Jerusalem? Of course not, because there wasn't. You can't say that more people would have died if we weren't meditating, how are you going to prove it? There are lies, there are damn lies and there are statistics If this amazing "technology" caused world peace we'd already have it, aren't there 250,000 meditators in South America now? The crime rate in Washington would have dropped to nothing if yogic flying worked. The war in Lebanon would have stopped. Even if it's as good as the claimed unmeasurable effects, how would that help in Syria? 10% fewer beheadings than last month? Wouldn't that interfere with Saudi Arabian justice a bit? They won't like that. Let's face it, it's a nice idea - one of the best, but if they can't even explain how it might work by any known mechanism let alone demonstrate that it does it's dead in the water. Perhaps that's why this advert is heavy on promises and light on explanation?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!
eart can be heard outside of your body a lot easier than your brainwaves can then maybe the Marshy Effect is caused by the slowing down of people's hearts being heard across warzones. Hmm, yes. That makes sense. But we can't and that isn't what they are claiming, the Marshy Effect is supposed to work on some sort of "unified field" that connects all things via our consciousness. Convenient that it seems to be an unmeasurable phenomena, or am I unreasonable in expecting a physical basis to claims for the physical world? Having an effect on a unified field doesn't mean the force, the energy of the brain waves are not somehow hitting outer atmosphere ie being felt outside of the brain and body. Sheesh. Sheesh what? This sentence makes no sense. But it interests me that the TMO publicity machine seems to have had it's way in how it relies on people's ignorance of physics history and understanding of forces and effects. It's their oldest method of working, use a few vaguely familiar sciencey-sounding phrases and use them to piggyback their own beliefs and hope you won't be able to tell the difference. Where we go beyond that, I don't know. I maintain that any body or an object with mass emits waves of some kind. Why on Earth would you want to maintain that? Because he is right, they do. LOL Where we go beyond that, I don't know. And yes, I believe celestial objects fall in to this somewhere. We are free to believe what we like. The TMO are trying to make money by claiming an actual physical effect. Still, I guess your response answers my question about who the letter was aimed at You're such a curmudgeon. Why? Someone has to stand up for reality. People like Steve who don't have a grounding in science are the intended recipients of this stuff. They'll bleed him dry if they get the chance. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : All you have to do is read the comments at the bottom of the Youtube video to see what people think of it.A sane person would distance themselves from such *nonsense*. I wouldn't be caught dead endorsing yogic flying and the TMO to create world peace. Might pull for it secretly though, kind of like a Muslim secretly pulling for a Caliphate. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 11:34 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%! Any idea why they are bothering with this? It doesn't even mention yogic flying so if anyone takes it at face value and does some research, they'll instantly find this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ And that will be that. Anyone looking still further might wonder why we haven't done it anyway if it works. And then we can say; we have been doing it. And yagyas too! So why doesn't it work? because it just doesn't. There is no action at a distance. None of the research goes anywhere proving that it does. The crime rate in Washington didn't fall any further than it randomly fluctuates over the year anyway, even the editors of the journal that one was published in weren't impressed. And the Lebanon study was even more pointless, does anyone look back at that time and wonder why there was a few fewer deaths than expected when there people meditating in Jerusalem? Of course not, because there wasn't. You can't say that more people would have died if we weren't meditating, how are you going to prove it? There are lies, there are damn lies and there are statistics If this amazing "technology" caused world peace we'd already have it, aren't there 250,000 meditators in South America now? The crime rate in Washington would have dropped to nothing if yogic flying worked. The war in Lebanon would have stopped. Even if it's as good as the claimed unmeasurable effects, how would that help in Syria? 10% fewer beheadings than last month? Wouldn't that interfere with Saudi Arabian justice a bit? They won't like that. Let's face it, it's a nice idea - one of the best, but if they can't even explain how it might work by any known mechanism let alone demonstrate that it does it's dead in the water. Perhaps that's why this advert is heavy on promises and light on explanation? Fess up guys, if it worked the amount of meditators, yagyas and pundits all over the world would have had us all dancing in the streets by now, but we appear to be stuck with having to come up with actual solutions for problems rather than hoping some stirrings of bliss in some mythical unified field will magically save the world. I convert for evidence, but I aint ever seen none for magic, nor even had it explained how it might work. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Published scientific studies show TM and advanced practices reduce war deaths and terrorism by more than 70%. (See the journals and statistics below in the middle column.) http://www.gusp.org/pdf/LetterToWorldLeaders.pdf http://www.gusp.org/pdf/LetterToWorldLeaders.pdf
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : But to answer the point: I would never have said "ignore your own experience" but I often say "question the explanations you are given". Well, of course! You're a fool not to! Look, I've been given grief here because I feel like I've taken a step up in my so called "experiences" But it's taken 35 years for God's sake, and has happened in spite of regular meditation, in spite of stepping out of the movement for almost this entire time. For someone to say, it's "random brain activity" just seems rather absurd. For the record, it doesn't bother me, it just seems rather narrow, that's all. And science is the best way of working out whether your subjective experience "means" something in the wider context of physics and social functioning because it sets up experiments that can fail if the thing being tested has no actual validity. You may still have a good experience meditating even if it it can't defeat the controls of a proper experiment and it turns out you aren't creating world peace. Well it's funny you mention this, and perhaps you'd be kind enough to offer your opinion on something. Since my family situation has changed, I have time to meditate after work, at work which I do, at least several days a week. But I do it leaning back in my chair, and after about 15 minutes I usually put my head back and go into a rest mode. I feel this meditation is just for relaxation purposes,and nothing more, where as before, I would sit cross legged, without back support, and that, I think led to a more spiritual type of meditation in terms of the clarity of experience. But I don't see myself going back to that. And again, why this seeming prejudice to thinking "outside the box" This seems rather limited to me. My wife worked at IBM for thirteen years, and they employed PhD's whose sole job was to do nothing, but think "outside the box" Read it again. I said If there is no basis to something, in this case the idea that brainwaves travel outside of the brain can affect crime rates, then there's no point coming up with ideas as to why it might happen. You need a signal to make it worth postulating a cause for it. No signal = don't waste your time. Look, whatever you say. If this is your opinion, great. If the state of measurement for such things is final, then I guess you are right. But, how do you know for certain nothing else is going on.? Again, I'm not saying there is something else going on, but I am certainly careful about making absolute statements.
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environment, it appears to me you are spinning the discussion, and my comments to arrive a pre-arranged conclusion you are comfortable with. Perhaps you don't buy into the notion that our thoughts can affect our environment, or that a person transcending does not have any effect that expands out. I don't know. I am speculating that it does. I can't say to what extent, and I am not defending the Maharishi Effect or saying that it works. But I remain open to that possibility. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Good nuance. Good comparison. A Caliphate? So the TMO is a social system grounded in ancient literature? Yep, that's a fine comparison. I maintain that brain waves are real and affect one's environment. No one would argue that brain waves are real, but affecting the environment? Not even the TMO is claiming that. Of course they are. No they aren't! They are claiming that they affect the fundamental level of nature not brainwaves, it's their "unified field technology" that they are claiming is affecting your brain, not other people's thoughts. If the brain waves of TM'ers are supposedly more coherent and life supporting (I have doubts about that) then the MMY effect comes (supposedly) into play and effects what others think and do. That is "the environment". We can measure electrical activity in brains easily but you have to attach some sensitive electrodes directly to the scalp to do it. These signals are in the brain, if they could travel outside it would be easy to measure them because we already know the frequencies. All waves, all activity is energy. All energy has force and it could be measured if we had the tools. As long as there is energy there is movement. If radio waves and all sorts of micro waves can be emitted and sent long or short distances through the atmosphere then brain waves are also doing the same thing. Even the beating of ones heart has some ability to be heard and felt outside of the body. I can't help you with your scientific illiteracy. But as your heart can be heard outside of your body a lot easier than your brainwaves can then maybe the Marshy Effect is caused by the slowing down of people's hearts being heard across warzones. Hmm, yes. That makes sense. But we can't and that isn't what they are claiming, the Marshy Effect is supposed to work on some sort of "unified field" that connects all things via our consciousness. Convenient that it seems to be an unmeasurable phenomena, or am I unreasonable in expecting a physical basis to claims for the physical world? Having an effect on a unified field doesn't mean the force, the energy of the brain waves are not somehow hitting outer atmosphere ie being felt outside of the brain and body. Sheesh. Sheesh what? This sentence makes no sense. But it interests me that the TMO publicity machine seems to have had it's way in how it relies on people's ignorance of physics history and understanding of forces and effects. It's their oldest method of working, use a few vaguely familiar sciencey-sounding phrases and use them to piggyback their own beliefs and hope you won't be able to tell the difference. Where we go beyond that, I don't know. I maintain that any body or an object with mass emits waves of some kind. Why on Earth would you want to maintain that? Because he is right, they do. LOL Where we go beyond that, I don't know. And yes, I believe celestial objects fall in to this somewhere. We are free to believe what we like. The TMO are trying to make money by claiming an actual physical effect. Still, I guess your response answers my question about who the letter was aimed at You're such a curmudgeon. Why? Someone has to stand up for reality. People like Steve who don't have a grounding in science are the intended recipients of this stuff. They'll bleed him dry if they get the chance. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : All you have to do is read the comments at the bottom of the Youtube video to see what people think of it.A sane person would distance themselves from such *nonsense*. I wouldn't be caught dead endorsing yogic flying and the TMO to create world peace. Might pull for it secretly though, kind of like a Muslim secretly pulling for a Caliphate. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 11:34 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%! Any idea why they are bothering with this? It doesn't even me
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Exactly. I mean talk about taking on a "meaningful" issue. Sheesh! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : HAHA well be careful, that activity could prove dangerous to someone's health if they actually tried that. What is a "flying" fuck, though? I figure if you're rolling on a doughnut it's a rolling fuck. On the subject of those who get all vigilante and ready to take on the Movement for giving grown adults the opportunity to spend their hard-earned (or not hard earned) dinero on Ayurvedic treatments or Maharishi honey then so be it. Look at all those spending money on hair grow products and cheap soon-to-be-out-of-fashion clothes or cable subscriptions in order to watch the pap available on most TV stations. It's called freedom to make a choice. It's not like spending money on some guys chanting yagyas that you're going to die as a result, or that ten firstborn children are going to be drowned at dawn. The best that could happen is that you feel good about having invested in yagyas (the placebo effect) and at worst some busy body comes and talks your ear off later and tries to convince you that you just wasted $500. Who needs it? It 's like those bores who insist you're a "cultist" all the while you haven't had a thing to do with the Movement for over three decades. LOL ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : snip If others find it rewarding and helpful to pay money or to engage in all or some of these things, who cares and why? I mean, just look at the cosmetic industry, as one example, and how millions of women dish our their cash in order to look years younger or sexier when, in fact, it's all just so much snake oil? Every minute of every day we are spending time and money on stuff that is either misrepresented or just plain unproven and untrue or simply a waste of time. In the meantime, I'm banking on this lottery ticket I have to win me $50m so I can go out and buy the latest skin care products. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 11:34 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%! Any idea why they are bothering with this? It doesn't even mention yogic flying so if anyone takes it at face value and does some research, they'll instantly find this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ And that will be that. Anyone looking still further might wonder why we haven't done it anyway if it works. And then we can say; we have been doing it. And yagyas too! So why doesn't it work? because it just doesn't. There is no action at a distance. None of the research goes anywhere proving that it does. The crime rate in Washington didn't fall any further than it randomly fluctuates over the year anyway, even the editors of the journal that one was published in weren't impressed. And the Lebanon study was even more pointless, does anyone look back at that time and wonder why there was a few fewer deaths than expected when there people meditating in Jerusalem? Of course not, because there wasn't. You can't say that more people would have died if we weren't meditating, how are you going to prove it? There are lies, there are damn lies and there are statistics If this amazing "technology" caused world peace we'd already have it, aren't there 250,000 meditators in South America now? The crime rate in Washington would have dropped to nothing if yogic flying worked. The war in Lebanon would have stopped. Even if it's as good as the claimed unmeasurable effects, how would that help in Syria? 10% fewer beheadings than last month? Wouldn't that interfere with Saudi Arabian justice a bit? They won't like that. Let's face it, it's a nice idea - one of the best, but if they can't even explain how it might work by any known mechanism let alone demonstrate that it does it's dead in the water. Perhaps that's why this advert is heavy on promises and light on explanation? Fess up guys, if it worked the amount of meditators, yagyas and pundits all over the world would have had us all dancing in the streets by now, but we appear to be stuck with having to come up with actual solutions for problems rather than hoping some stirrings of bliss in some mythical unified field will magically save the world. I convert for evidence, but I aint ever seen none for magic, nor even had it explained how it might work.
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ess your response answers my question about who the letter was aimed at You're such a curmudgeon. Why? Someone has to stand up for reality. People like Steve who don't have a grounding in science are the intended recipients of this stuff. They'll bleed him dry if they get the chance. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : All you have to do is read the comments at the bottom of the Youtube video to see what people think of it.A sane person would distance themselves from such *nonsense*. I wouldn't be caught dead endorsing yogic flying and the TMO to create world peace. Might pull for it secretly though, kind of like a Muslim secretly pulling for a Caliphate. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 11:34 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%! Any idea why they are bothering with this? It doesn't even mention yogic flying so if anyone takes it at face value and does some research, they'll instantly find this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ And that will be that. Anyone looking still further might wonder why we haven't done it anyway if it works. And then we can say; we have been doing it. And yagyas too! So why doesn't it work? because it just doesn't. There is no action at a distance. None of the research goes anywhere proving that it does. The crime rate in Washington didn't fall any further than it randomly fluctuates over the year anyway, even the editors of the journal that one was published in weren't impressed. And the Lebanon study was even more pointless, does anyone look back at that time and wonder why there was a few fewer deaths than expected when there people meditating in Jerusalem? Of course not, because there wasn't. You can't say that more people would have died if we weren't meditating, how are you going to prove it? There are lies, there are damn lies and there are statistics If this amazing "technology" caused world peace we'd already have it, aren't there 250,000 meditators in South America now? The crime rate in Washington would have dropped to nothing if yogic flying worked. The war in Lebanon would have stopped. Even if it's as good as the claimed unmeasurable effects, how would that help in Syria? 10% fewer beheadings than last month? Wouldn't that interfere with Saudi Arabian justice a bit? They won't like that. Let's face it, it's a nice idea - one of the best, but if they can't even explain how it might work by any known mechanism let alone demonstrate that it does it's dead in the water. Perhaps that's why this advert is heavy on promises and light on explanation? Fess up guys, if it worked the amount of meditators, yagyas and pundits all over the world would have had us all dancing in the streets by now, but we appear to be stuck with having to come up with actual solutions for problems rather than hoping some stirrings of bliss in some mythical unified field will magically save the world. I convert for evidence, but I aint ever seen none for magic, nor even had it explained how it might work. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Published scientific studies show TM and advanced practices reduce war deaths and terrorism by more than 70%. (See the journals and statistics below in the middle column.) http://www.gusp.org/pdf/LetterToWorldLeaders.pdf http://www.gusp.org/pdf/LetterToWorldLeaders.pdf
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Salyavin's god, Science, is a very poor god indeed. I have no doubt that TM creates "action at a distance" because I have experienced it myself on a number of occasions. I have no interest in whether science is able to measure it or not. If someone is meditating in my house, it creates a calming effect. Just a few months ago, I had a friend here, and unbeknownst to me she was meditating in another room. I was noting the unusual feeling of calm I was experiencing, and then, some minutes later, discovered that she had been meditating. I trust my own experience and do not have to look to science to confirm or deny it. Science can go great things but it is not the be-all and end-all. Science is limited by the fact that humans invented it, practice it, have created the tools, are responsible for reading and interpreting those tools/instruments. Science is only as valid/comprehensive/true as humans are and as we all know, that isn't saying much. Science is not something that exists as some absolute entity - it is purely manmade. Speechless. It's a miracle! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Salyavin, I find it rather humorous that you appear to consider yourself a final authority on what science can or cannot prove. Certainly it's a fair statement to say, "we don't have any scientific basis to make such and such a statement", but some of us are not afraid to think a little outside that box, and perhaps more importantly not discount what our experiences may be, "outside that box" With regard to brain waves affecting the environment, it appears to me you are spinning the discussion, and my comments to arrive a pre-arranged conclusion you are comfortable with. Perhaps you don't buy into the notion that our thoughts can affect our environment, or that a person transcending does not have any effect that expands out. I don't know. I am speculating that it does. I can't say to what extent, and I am not defending the Maharishi Effect or saying that it works. But I remain open to that possibility.
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air statement to say, "we don't have any scientific basis to make such and such a statement", but some of us are not afraid to think a little outside that box, and perhaps more importantly not discount what our experiences may be, "outside that box" With regard to brain waves affecting the environment, it appears to me you are spinning the discussion, and my comments to arrive a pre-arranged conclusion you are comfortable with. Perhaps you don't buy into the notion that our thoughts can affect our environment, or that a person transcending does not have any effect that expands out. I don't know. I am speculating that it does. I can't say to what extent, and I am not defending the Maharishi Effect or saying that it works. But I remain open to that possibility. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Good nuance. Good comparison. A Caliphate? So the TMO is a social system grounded in ancient literature? Yep, that's a fine comparison. I maintain that brain waves are real and affect one's environment. No one would argue that brain waves are real, but affecting the environment? Not even the TMO is claiming that. Of course they are. No they aren't! They are claiming that they affect the fundamental level of nature not brainwaves, it's their "unified field technology" that they are claiming is affecting your brain, not other people's thoughts. If the brain waves of TM'ers are supposedly more coherent and life supporting (I have doubts about that) then the MMY effect comes (supposedly) into play and effects what others think and do. That is "the environment". We can m! easure electrical activity in brains easily but you have to attach some sensitive electrodes directly to the scalp to do it. These signals arein the brain, if they could travel outside it would be easy to measure them because we already know the frequencies. All waves, all activity is energy. All energy has force and it could be measured if we had the tools. As long as there is energy there is movement. If radio waves and all sorts of micro waves can be emitted and sent long or short distances through the atmosphere then brain waves are also doing the same thing. Even the beating of ones heart has some ability to be heard and felt outside of the body. I can't help you with your scientific illiteracy. But as your heart can be heard outside of your body a lot easier than your brainwaves can then maybe the Marshy Effect is caused by the slowing down of people's hearts being heard across warzones. Hmm, yes. That makes sense. But we can't and that isn't what they are claiming, the Marshy Effect is supposed to work on some sort of "unified field" that connects all things via our consciousness. Convenient that it seems to be an unmeasurable phenomena, or am I unreasonable in expecting a physical basis to claims for the physical world? Having an effect on a unified field doesn't mean th! e force, the energy of the brain waves are not somehow hitting outer atmosphere ie being felt outside of the brain and body. Sheesh. Sheesh what? This sentence makes no sense. But it interests me that the TMO publicity machine seems to have had it's way in how it relies on people's ignorance of physics history and understanding of forces and effects. It's their oldest method of working, use a few vaguely familiar sciencey-sounding phrases and use them to piggyback their own beliefs and hope you won't be able to tell the difference. Where we go beyond that, I don't know. I maintain that any body or an object with mass emits waves of some kind. Why on Earth would you want to maintain that? Because he is right, they do. LOL Where we go beyond that, I don't know. And yes, I believe celestial objects fall in to this somewhere. We are free to believe what we like. The TMO are trying to make money! by claiming an actual physical effect. Still, I guess your response answers my question about who the letter was aimed at You're such a curmudgeon. Why? Someone has to stand up for reality. People like Steve who don't have a grounding in science are the intended recipients of this stuff. They'll bleed him dry if they get the chance. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : All you have to do is read the comments at the bottom of the Youtube video to see wha! t people think of it.A sane person would distance themselves from such *nonsense*. I wouldn't be caught dead endorsing yogic flying and the TMO to create world peace. Might pull for it secretly though, kind of like a Muslim secretly pulling for a Caliphate. -
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oups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Good nuance. Good comparison. A Caliphate? So the TMO is a social system grounded in ancient literature? Yep, that's a fine comparison. I maintain that brain waves are real and affect one's environment. No one would argue that brain waves are real, but affecting the environment? Not even the TMO is claiming that. Of course they are. No they aren't! They are claiming that they affect the fundamental level of nature not brainwaves, it's their "unified field technology" that they are claiming is affecting your brain, not other people's thoughts. If the brain waves of TM'ers are supposedly more coherent and life supporting (I have doubts about that) then the MMY effect comes (supposedly) into play and effects what others think and do. That is "the environment". We can measure electrical activity in brains easily but you have to attach some sensitive electrodes directly to the scalp to do it. These signals are in the brain, if they could travel outside it would be easy to measure them because we already know the frequencies. All waves, all activity is energy. All energy has force and it could be measured if we had the tools. As long as there is energy there is movement. If radio waves and all sorts of micro waves can be emitted and sent long or short distances through the atmosphere then brain waves are also doing the same thing. Even the beating of ones heart has some ability to be heard and felt outside of the body. I can't help you with your scientific illiteracy. But as your heart can be heard outside of your body a lot easier than your brainwaves can then maybe the Marshy Effect is caused by the slowing down of people's hearts being heard across warzones. Hmm, yes. That makes sense. But we can't and that isn't what they are claiming, the Marshy Effect is supposed to work on some sort of "unified field" that connects all things via our consciousness. Convenient that it seems to be an unmeasurable phenomena, or am I unreasonable in expecting a physical basis to claims for the physical world? Having an effect on a unified field doesn't mean the force, the energy of the brain waves are not somehow hitting outer atmosphere ie being felt outside of the brain and body. Sheesh. Sheesh what? This sentence makes no sense. But it interests me that the TMO publicity machine seems to have had it's way in how it relies on people's ignorance of physics history and understanding of forces and effects. It's their oldest method of working, use a few vaguely familiar sciencey-sounding phrases and use them to piggyback their own beliefs and hope you won't be able to tell the difference. Where we go beyond that, I don't know. I maintain that any body or an object with mass emits waves of some kind. Why on Earth would you want to maintain that? Because he is right, they do. LOL Where we go beyond that, I don't know. And yes, I believe celestial objects fall in to this somewhere. We are free to believe what we like. The TMO are trying to make money by claiming an actual physical effect. Still, I guess your response answers my question about who the letter was aimed at You're such a curmudgeon. Why? Someone has to stand up for reality. People like Steve who don't have a grounding in science are the intended recipients of this stuff. They'll bleed him dry if they get the chance. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : All you have to do is read the comments at the bottom of the Youtube video to see what people think of it.A sane person would distance themselves from such *nonsense*. I wouldn't be caught dead endorsing yogic flying and the TMO to create world peace. Might pull for it secretly though, kind of like a Muslim secretly pulling for a Caliphate. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 11:34 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%! Any idea why they are bothering with this? It doesn't even mention yogic flying so if anyone takes it at face value and does some research, they'll instantly find this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ And that will be that. Anyone looking still further might wonder why we haven't done it anyway if it works. And then we can say; we have been doing it. And yagyas too! So why doesn't it work? because it just doesn't. There is no action at a distance. None of the research goes anywhere proving that it does. The crim
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7;t know. I am speculating that it does. I can't say to what extent, and I am not defending the Maharishi Effect or saying that it works. But I remain open to that possibility. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Good nuance. Good comparison. A Caliphate? So the TMO is a social system grounded in ancient literature? Yep, that's a fine comparison. I maintain that brain waves are real and affect one's environment. No one would argue that brain waves are real, but affecting the environment? Not even the TMO is claiming that. Of course they are. No they aren't! They are claiming that they affect the fundamental level of nature not brainwaves, it's their "unified field technology" that they are claiming is affecting your brain, not other people's thoughts. If the brain waves of TM'ers are supposedly more coherent and life supporting (I have doubts about that) then the MMY effect comes (supposedly) into play and effects what others think and do. That is "the environment". We can measure electrical activity in brains easily but you have to attach some sensitive electrodes directly to the scalp to do it. These signals are in the brain, if they could travel outside it would be easy to measure them because we already know the frequencies. All waves, all activity is energy. All energy has force and it could be measured if we had the tools. As long as there is energy there is movement. If radio waves and all sorts of micro waves can be emitted and sent long or short distances through the atmosphere then brain waves are also doing the same thing. Even the beating of ones heart has some ability to be heard and felt outside of the body. I can't help you with your scientific illiteracy. But as your heart can be heard outside of your body a lot easier than your brainwaves can then maybe the Marshy Effect is caused by the slowing down of people's hearts being heard across warzones. Hmm, yes. That makes sense. But we can't and that isn't what they are claiming, the Marshy Effect is supposed to work on some sort of "unified field" that connects all things via our consciousness. Convenient that it seems to be an unmeasurable phenomena, or am I unreasonable in expecting a physical basis to claims for the physical world? Having an effect on a unified field doesn't mean the force, the energy of the brain waves are not somehow hitting outer atmosphere ie being felt outside of the brain and body. Sheesh. Sheesh what? This sentence makes no sense. But it interests me that the TMO publicity machine seems to have had it's way in how it relies on people's ignorance of physics history and understanding of forces and effects. It's their oldest method of working, use a few vaguely familiar sciencey-sounding phrases and use them to piggyback their own beliefs and hope you won't be able to tell the difference. Where we go beyond that, I don't know. I maintain that any body or an object with mass emits waves of some kind. Why on Earth would you want to maintain that? Because he is right, they do. LOL Where we go beyond that, I don't know. And yes, I believe celestial objects fall in to this somewhere. We are free to believe what we like. The TMO are trying to make money by claiming an actual physical effect. Still, I guess your response answers my question about who the letter was aimed at You're such a curmudgeon. Why? Someone has to stand up for reality. People like Steve who don't have a grounding in science are the intended recipients of this stuff. They'll bleed him dry if they get the chance. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : All you have to do is read the comments at the bottom of the Youtube video to see what people think of it.A sane person would distance themselves from such *nonsense*. I wouldn't be caught dead endorsing yogic flying and the TMO to create world peace. Might pull for it secretly though, kind of like a Muslim secretly pulling for a Caliphate. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 11:34 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%! Any idea why they are bothering with this? It doesn't even mention yogic flying so if anyone takes it at face value and does some research, they'll instantly find this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ And that will be that. Anyone looking still further might wonder why we haven't done it anyway if it works. An
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claiming is affecting your brain, not other people's thoughts. If the brain waves of TM'ers are supposedly more coherent and life supporting (I have doubts about that) then the MMY effect comes (supposedly) into play and effects what others think and do. That is "the environment". We can measure electrical activity in brains easily but you have to attach some sensitive electrodes directly to the scalp to do it. These signals are in the brain, if they could travel outside it would be easy to measure them because we already know the frequencies. All waves, all activity is energy. All energy has force and it could be measured if we had the tools. As long as there is energy there is movement. If radio waves and all sorts of micro waves can be emitted and sent long or short distances through the atmosphere then brain waves are also doing the same thing. Even the beating of ones heart has some ability to be heard and felt outside of the body. I can't help you with your scientific illiteracy. But as your heart can be heard outside of your body a lot easier than your brainwaves can then maybe the Marshy Effect is caused by the slowing down of people's hearts being heard across warzones. Hmm, yes. That makes sense. But we can't and that isn't what they are claiming, the Marshy Effect is supposed to work on some sort of "unified field" that connects all things via our consciousness. Convenient that it seems to be an unmeasurable phenomena, or am I unreasonable in expecting a physical basis to claims for the physical world? Having an effect on a unified field doesn't mean the force, the energy of the brain waves are not somehow hitting outer atmosphere ie being felt outside of the brain and body. Sheesh. Sheesh what? This sentence makes no sense. But it interests me that the TMO publicity machine seems to have had it's way in how it relies on people's ignorance of physics history and understanding of forces and effects. It's their oldest method of working, use a few vaguely familiar sciencey-sounding phrases and use them to piggyback their own beliefs and hope you won't be able to tell the difference. Where we go beyond that, I don't know. I maintain that any body or an object with mass emits waves of some kind. Why on Earth would you want to maintain that? Because he is right, they do. LOL Where we go beyond that, I don't know. And yes, I believe celestial objects fall in to this somewhere. We are free to believe what we like. The TMO are trying to make money by claiming an actual physical effect. Still, I guess your response answers my question about who the letter was aimed at You're such a curmudgeon. Why? Someone has to stand up for reality. People like Steve who don't have a grounding in science are the intended recipients of this stuff. They'll bleed him dry if they get the chance. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : All you have to do is read the comments at the bottom of the Youtube video to see what people think of it.A sane person would distance themselves from such *nonsense*. I wouldn't be caught dead endorsing yogic flying and the TMO to create world peace. Might pull for it secretly though, kind of like a Muslim secretly pulling for a Caliphate. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 11:34 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%! Any idea why they are bothering with this? It doesn't even mention yogic flying so if anyone takes it at face value and does some research, they'll instantly find this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ And that will be that. Anyone looking still further might wonder why we haven't done it anyway if it works. And then we can say; we have been doing it. And yagyas too! So why doesn't it work? because it just doesn't. There is no action at a distance. None of the research goes anywhere proving that it does. The crime rate in Washington didn't fall any further than it randomly fluctuates over the year anyway, even the editors of the journal that one was published in weren't impressed. And the Lebanon study was even more pointless, does anyone look back at that time and wonder why there was a few fewer deaths than expected when there people meditating in Jerusalem? Of course not, because there wasn't. You can't say that more people would have died if we weren't meditating, how are you going to prove it? There are lies, there are damn lies and there are statistics If this amazing "technology" caused world peace we'd already have it, aren't there 250,000 meditat
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to the scalp to do it. These signals are in the brain, if they could travel outside it would be easy to measure them because we already know the frequencies. All waves, all activity is energy. All energy has force and it could be measured if we had the tools. As long as there is energy there is movement. If radio waves and all sorts of micro waves can be emitted and sent long or short distances through the atmosphere then brain waves are also doing the same thing. Even the beating of ones heart has some ability to be heard and felt outside of the body. I can't help you with your scientific illiteracy. But as your heart can be heard outside of your body a lot easier than your brainwaves can then maybe the Marshy Effect is caused by the slowing down of people's hearts being heard across warzones. Hmm, yes. That makes sense. But we can't and that isn't what they are claiming, the Marshy Effect is supposed to work on some sort of "unified field" that connects all things via our consciousness. Convenient that it seems to be an unmeasurable phenomena, or am I unreasonable in expecting a physical basis to claims for the physical world? Having an effect on a unified field doesn't mean the force, the energy of the brain waves are not somehow hitting outer atmosphere ie being felt outside of the brain and body. Sheesh. Sheesh what? This sentence makes no sense. But it interests me that the TMO publicity machine seems to have had it's way in how it relies on people's ignorance of physics history and understanding of forces and effects. It's their oldest method of working, use a few vaguely familiar sciencey-sounding phrases and use them to piggyback their own beliefs and hope you won't be able to tell the difference. Where we go beyond that, I don't know. I maintain that any body or an object with mass emits waves of some kind. Why on Earth would you want to maintain that? Because he is right, they do. LOL Where we go beyond that, I don't know. And yes, I believe celestial objects fall in to this somewhere. We are free to believe what we like. The TMO are trying to make money by claiming an actual physical effect. Still, I guess your response answers my question about who the letter was aimed at You're such a curmudgeon. Why? Someone has to stand up for reality. People like Steve who don't have a grounding in science are the intended recipients of this stuff. They'll bleed him dry if they get the chance. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : All you have to do is read the comments at the bottom of the Youtube video to see what people think of it.A sane person would distance themselves from such *nonsense*. I wouldn't be caught dead endorsing yogic flying and the TMO to create world peace. Might pull for it secretly though, kind of like a Muslim secretly pulling for a Caliphate. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 11:34 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%! Any idea why they are bothering with this? It doesn't even mention yogic flying so if anyone takes it at face value and does some research, they'll instantly find this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ And that will be that. Anyone looking still further might wonder why we haven't done it anyway if it works. And then we can say; we have been doing it. And yagyas too! So why doesn't it work? because it just doesn't. There is no action at a distance. None of the research goes anywhere proving that it does. The crime rate in Washington didn't fall any further than it randomly fluctuates over the year anyway, even the editors of the journal that one was published in weren't impressed. And the Lebanon study was even more pointless, does anyone look back at that time and wonder why there was a few fewer deaths than expected when there people meditating in Jerusalem? Of course not, because there wasn't. You can't say that more people would have died if we weren't meditating, how are you going to prove it? There are lies, there are damn lies and there are statistics If this amazing "technology" caused world peace we'd already have it, aren't there 250,000 meditators in South America now? The crime rate in Washington would have dropped to nothing if yogic flying worked. The war in Lebanon would have stopped. Even if it's as good as the claimed unmeasurable effects, how would that help in Syria? 10% fewer beheadings than last month? Wouldn't that interfere with Saudi Arabian justice a bit? They won't like that. Let's face it, it's a nice idea - on
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Salyavin's god, Science, is a very poor god indeed. I have no doubt that TM creates "action at a distance" because I have experienced it myself on a number of occasions. I have no interest in whether science is able to measure it or not. If someone is meditating in my house, it creates a calming effect. Just a few months ago, I had a friend here, and unbeknownst to me she was meditating in another room. I was noting the unusual feeling of calm I was experiencing, and then, some minutes later, discovered that she had been meditating. I trust my own experience and do not have to look to science to confirm or deny it. Science can go great things but it is not the be-all and end-all. Science is limited by the fact that humans invented it, practice it, have created the tools, are responsible for reading and interpreting those tools/instruments. Science is only as valid/comprehensive/true as humans are and as we all know, that isn't saying much. Science is not something that exists as some absolute entity - it is purely manmade. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Salyavin, I find it rather humorous that you appear to consider yourself a final authority on what science can or cannot prove. Certainly it's a fair statement to say, "we don't have any scientific basis to make such and such a statement", but some of us are not afraid to think a little outside that box, and perhaps more importantly not discount what our experiences may be, "outside that box" With regard to brain waves affecting the environment, it appears to me you are spinning the discussion, and my comments to arrive a pre-arranged conclusion you are comfortable with. Perhaps you don't buy into the notion that our thoughts can affect our environment, or that a person transcending does not have any effect that expands out. I don't know. I am speculating that it does. I can't say to what extent, and I am not defending the Maharishi Effect or saying that it works. But I remain open to that possibility.
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people in the TMO I consider this a folie a deux - a shared delusion - but not with John Hagelin or Tony Nader, they know what they are doing and they are trying to raise money out of other people's ignorance and I am fascinated to watch people who have been through the brainwashing defend them by attacking me. What do they have to gain? Do they make lots of money? I have no idea. Do they like the power, the prestige (if there is such a thing in their position)? What is their motive? What do people find rewarding about being conned out of their life savings anyway? Nothing I suspect. You can buy a yagya for anything, a death, a birth, a wedding, getting a new job, looking for a new car, I know someone who paid for a yagya for her dying cat! And they took her money! Sure, I can see the cat thing. But, what is the price of your average yagya? It's just a kind of prayer and people like to have others pray for them, it appears. If you can get those saints and positive entities in the universe workin' for ya, why not? Look, it's all about feeling better, more secure, looked after in a world where you have no control, no idea when the next train is coming down the track to take you out, I get it. I'd love to know how much money the TMO makes out of it all. Untold millions every year and it's all rubbish. Amazing really, I'm almost honoured to be witnessing such a brilliant scam. But who is getting hurt here? Maybe you're just sorry/envious you didn't think of such a lucrative industry. I mean, these kinds of things are everywhere, look good - use my product. Look sexy - wear these clothes. Smell good - wear my cologne. Want success - go to our University. Want a woman - use our dating site. What makes the selling of yagyas so much worse? Because the Movement is preying on vulnerable people in their moments of darkness or need? Don't be silly - we're all suckers being preyed on all the time by hundreds and thousands of predators. And most of us manage to see through many of them and even if we don't, so we're out a few bucks. Also, you can't convince stupid or those in denial, why try? I mean, just look at the cosmetic industry, as one example, and how millions of women dish our their cash in order to look years younger or sexier when, in fact, it's all just so much snake oil? Every minute of every day we are spending time and money on stuff that is either misrepresented or just plain unproven and untrue or simply a waste of time. In the meantime, I'm banking on this lottery ticket I have to win me $50m so I can go out and buy the latest skin care products. You have more chance of getting something with your lottery ticket than you do buying yagya's. Now there's a scientific statement based on opinion only. LOL But why do you think it's OK for religious groups to lie because you like cosmetics? I don't get your argument there, it isn't the same thing is it?. I see that you don't get it. See above for further explanation of this simple comparison. Put on make-up and look in the mirror and you like the results. Pay £5,000 for a health yagya and it doesn't work and then fall back on your brainwashing and come up with an excuse, planets emitting waves at you or karma being too strong maybe. Best get another yagya to counteract the negativity that stopped the first one working. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 11:34 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%! Any idea why they are bothering with this? It doesn't even mention yogic flying so if anyone takes it at face value and does some research, they'll instantly find this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ And that will be that. Anyone looking still further might wonder why we haven't done it anyway if it works. And then we can say; we have been doing it. And yagyas too! So why doesn't it work? because it just doesn't. There is no action at a distance. None of the research goes anywhere proving that it does. The crime rate in Washington didn't fall any further than it randomly fluctuates over the year anyway, even the editors of the journal that one was published in weren't impressed. And the Lebanon study was even more pointless, does anyone look back at that time and wonder why there was a few fewer deaths than expected when there people meditating in Jerusalem? Of course not, because there wasn't. You can't say that more people would have died if we weren't meditating, how are you going to prove it? There are lies, there are damn lies and there are statistics If this amazing "technol
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Good nuance. Good comparison. A Caliphate? So the TMO is a social system grounded in ancient literature? Yep, that's a fine comparison. I maintain that brain waves are real and affect one's environment. No one would argue that brain waves are real, but affecting the environment? Not even the TMO is claiming that. Of course they are. No they aren't! They are claiming that they affect the fundamental level of nature not brainwaves, it's their "unified field technology" that they are claiming is affecting your brain, not other people's thoughts. Huh? My definition of "the environment" is obviously broader than yours. To me, the environment is anything outside my body and that includes the unified field as well as "the fundamental level of nature". I didn't say brain waves effect brain waves although they do that as well as effect every other single thing in "the environment". I also was not initially talking about the ME, I was responding to Steve's assertion that "I maintain that brain waves are real and affect one's environment." You are the one who extrapolated the ME. If the brain waves of TM'ers are supposedly more coherent and life supporting (I have doubts about that) then the MMY effect comes (supposedly) into play and effects what others think and do. That is "the environment". We can measure electrical activity in brains easily but you have to attach some sensitive electrodes directly to the scalp to do it. These signals are in the brain, if they could travel outside it would be easy to measure them because we already know the frequencies. All waves, all activity is energy. All energy has force and it could be measured if we had the tools. As long as there is energy there is movement. If radio waves and all sorts of micro waves can be emitted and sent long or short distances through the atmosphere then brain waves are also doing the same thing. Even the beating of ones heart has some ability to be heard and felt outside of the body. I can't help you with your scientific illiteracy. Haha, says he who sees himself as Einstein's protege. But as your heart can be heard outside of your body a lot easier than your brainwaves can then maybe the Marshy Effect is caused by the slowing down of people's hearts being heard across warzones. Hmm, yes. That makes sense. My point was not anywhere near what you are twisting or simply not sharp enough to understand. My point was that even an unseen almost silent organ in the body, the heart, has measurable sound and movement - has energy - that can be measured outside the body thus it has an effect on the environment just as brain waves (not the ME) are forms of energy and like microwaves or radio waves travel outward and, if you have the right receiving instruments, create a sound or a picture or, more generally, an effect on that environment. Your blather about war zones and hearts is just your usual pig headed refusal to interact civilly with those you don't like. But we can't and that isn't what they are claiming, the Marshy Effect is supposed to work on some sort of "unified field" that connects all things via our consciousness. Convenient that it seems to be an unmeasurable phenomena, or am I unreasonable in expecting a physical basis to claims for the physical world? Having an effect on a unified field doesn't mean the force, the energy of the brain waves are not somehow hitting outer atmosphere ie being felt outside of the brain and body. Sheesh. Sheesh what? This sentence makes no sense. But it interests me that the TMO publicity machine seems to have had it's way in how it relies on people's ignorance of physics history and understanding of forces and effects. It's their oldest method of working, use a few vaguely familiar sciencey-sounding phrases and use them to piggyback their own beliefs and hope you won't be able to tell the difference. Remember, I wasn't initially talking about the ME, I was responding to Steve's comment at the beginning of this post. You started talking about the ME. I don't care about that. What I care about and believe is that all matter has energy and, in addition, if you have brain waves they, too, have/are energy and when you have energy you have "an effect". Where we go beyond that, I don't know. I maintain that any body or an object with mass emits waves of some kind. Why on Earth would you want to maintain that? Because he is right, they do. LOL Where we go beyond that, I don't know. And yes, I believe celestial objects fall in to this somewhere. We are free to believe what we like. The TMO are trying to make money by claiming an actual physical effect. Still, I guess yo
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : If there is no basis to something, why bother getting outside the box? As soon as you do that you get into religious beliefs, and defending those isn't what science is all about. But you can believe any rubbish you like, it only natters when someone tries to sell it as justifying something else. Deliberately spreading ignorance is wrong AFAIC Salyavin, why should one ignore one's own experience, even if it is so called "mystical experience". I'm not declaring it to be anything other than a subjective experience, but neither am I going to discount it. I don't care whether or not science can validate this so called "mystical experience". This paragraph is completely unconnected with the bit you snipped from my post. Did you cut and paste the wrong thing? But to answer the point: I would never have said "ignore your own experience" but I often say "question the explanations you are given". And science is the best way of working out whether your subjective experience "means" something in the wider context of physics and social functioning because it sets up experiments that can fail if the thing being tested has no actual validity. You may still have a good experience meditating even if it it can't defeat the controls of a proper experiment and it turns out you aren't creating world peace. And again, why this seeming prejudice to thinking "outside the box" This seems rather limited to me. My wife worked at IBM for thirteen years, and they employed PhD's whose sole job was to do nothing, but think "outside the box" Read it again. I said If there is no basis to something, in this case the idea that brainwaves travel outside of the brain can affect crime rates, then there's no point coming up with ideas as to why it might happen. You need a signal to make it worth postulating a cause for it. No signal = don't waste your time.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Again, it does strike me as weird this preoccupation of some with how other people spend their money. It is their money after all, and most people enjoy spending money. I don't think they need someone looking over their shoulder saying "Stop. I disapprove of you spending your money this way" I might be inclined to tell them to take a flying fuck in a rolling doughnut. I surely might. (-: HAHA well be careful, that activity could prove dangerous to someone's health if they actually tried that. What is a "flying" fuck, though? I figure if you're rolling on a doughnut it's a rolling fuck. On the subject of those who get all vigilante and ready to take on the Movement for giving grown adults the opportunity to spend their hard-earned (or not hard earned) dinero on Ayurvedic treatments or Maharishi honey then so be it. Look at all those spending money on hair grow products and cheap soon-to-be-out-of-fashion clothes or cable subscriptions in order to watch the pap available on most TV stations. It's called freedom to make a choice. It's not like spending money on some guys chanting yagyas that you're going to die as a result, or that ten firstborn children are going to be drowned at dawn. The best that could happen is that you feel good about having invested in yagyas (the placebo effect) and at worst some busy body comes and talks your ear off later and tries to convince you that you just wasted $500. Who needs it? It 's like those bores who insist you're a "cultist" all the while you haven't had a thing to do with the Movement for over three decades. LOL ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : snip If others find it rewarding and helpful to pay money or to engage in all or some of these things, who cares and why? I mean, just look at the cosmetic industry, as one example, and how millions of women dish our their cash in order to look years younger or sexier when, in fact, it's all just so much snake oil? Every minute of every day we are spending time and money on stuff that is either misrepresented or just plain unproven and untrue or simply a waste of time. In the meantime, I'm banking on this lottery ticket I have to win me $50m so I can go out and buy the latest skin care products. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 11:34 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%! Any idea why they are bothering with this? It doesn't even mention yogic flying so if anyone takes it at face value and does some research, they'll instantly find this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ And that will be that. Anyone looking still further might wonder why we haven't done it anyway if it works. And then we can say; we have been doing it. And yagyas too! So why doesn't it work? because it just doesn't. There is no action at a distance. None of the research goes anywhere proving that it does. The crime rate in Washington didn't fall any further than it randomly fluctuates over the year anyway, even the editors of the journal that one was published in weren't impressed. And the Lebanon study was even more pointless, does anyone look back at that time and wonder why there was a few fewer deaths than expected when there people meditating in Jerusalem? Of course not, because there wasn't. You can't say that more people would have died if we weren't meditating, how are you going to prove it? There are lies, there are damn lies and there are statistics If this amazing "technology" caused world peace we'd already have it, aren't there 250,000 meditators in South America now? The crime rate in Washington would have dropped to nothing if yogic flying worked. The war in Lebanon would have stopped. Even if it's as good as the claimed unmeasurable effects, how would that help in Syria? 10% fewer beheadings than last month? Wouldn't that interfere with Saudi Arabian justice a bit? They won't like that. Let's face it, it's a nice idea - one of the best, but if they can't even explain how it might work by any known mechanism let alone demonstrate that it does it's dead in the water. Perhaps that's why this advert is heavy on promises and light on explanation? Fess up guys, if it worked the amount of meditators, yagyas and pundits all over the world would have had us all dancing in the streets by now, but we appear to be stuck with having to come up with actual solutions for problems rather than hoping some stirrings of bliss in some mythical unified field will magically save the world. I convert for evidence, but I aint ever seen none for magic, nor even had it explained how it might work.
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is movement. If radio waves and all sorts of micro waves can be emitted and sent long or short distances through the atmosphere then brain waves are also doing the same thing. Even the beating of ones heart has some ability to be heard and felt outside of the body. I can't help you with your scientific illiteracy. But as your heart can be heard outside of your body a lot easier than your brainwaves can then maybe the Marshy Effect is caused by the slowing down of people's hearts being heard across warzones. Hmm, yes. That makes sense. But we can't and that isn't what they are claiming, the Marshy Effect is supposed to work on some sort of "unified field" that connects all things via our consciousness. Convenient that it seems to be an unmeasurable phenomena, or am I unreasonable in expecting a physical basis to claims for the physical world? Having an effect on a unified field doesn't mean the force, the energy of the brain waves are not somehow hitting outer atmosphere ie being felt outside of the brain and body. Sheesh. Sheesh what? This sentence makes no sense. But it interests me that the TMO publicity machine seems to have had it's way in how it relies on people's ignorance of physics history and understanding of forces and effects. It's their oldest method of working, use a few vaguely familiar sciencey-sounding phrases and use them to piggyback their own beliefs and hope you won't be able to tell the difference. Where we go beyond that, I don't know. I maintain that any body or an object with mass emits waves of some kind. Why on Earth would you want to maintain that? Because he is right, they do. LOL Where we go beyond that, I don't know. And yes, I believe celestial objects fall in to this somewhere. We are free to believe what we like. The TMO are trying to make money by claiming an actual physical effect. Still, I guess your response answers my question about who the letter was aimed at You're such a curmudgeon. Why? Someone has to stand up for reality. People like Steve who don't have a grounding in science are the intended recipients of this stuff. They'll bleed him dry if they get the chance. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : All you have to do is read the comments at the bottom of the Youtube video to see what people think of it.A sane person would distance themselves from such *nonsense*. I wouldn't be caught dead endorsing yogic flying and the TMO to create world peace. Might pull for it secretly though, kind of like a Muslim secretly pulling for a Caliphate. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 11:34 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%! Any idea why they are bothering with this? It doesn't even mention yogic flying so if anyone takes it at face value and does some research, they'll instantly find this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ And that will be that. Anyone looking still further might wonder why we haven't done it anyway if it works. And then we can say; we have been doing it. And yagyas too! So why doesn't it work? because it just doesn't. There is no action at a distance. None of the research goes anywhere proving that it does. The crime rate in Washington didn't fall any further than it randomly fluctuates over the year anyway, even the editors of the journal that one was published in weren't impressed. And the Lebanon study was even more pointless, does anyone look back at that time and wonder why there was a few fewer deaths than expected when there people meditating in Jerusalem? Of course not, because there wasn't. You can't say that more people would have died if we weren't meditating, how are you going to prove it? There are lies, there are damn lies and there are statistics If this amazing "technology" caused world peace we'd already have it, aren't there 250,000 meditators in South America now? The crime rate in Washington would have dropped to nothing if yogic flying worked. The war in Lebanon would have stopped. Even if it's as good as the claimed unmeasurable effects, how would that help in Syria? 10% fewer beheadings than last month? Wouldn't that interfere with Saudi Arabian justice a bit? They won't like that. Let's face it, it's a nice idea - one of the best, but if they can't even explain how it might work by any known mechanism let alone demonstrate that it does it's dead in the water. Perhaps that's why this advert is heavy on promises and light on explanation? Fess up guys, if it worked the amount of meditators
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level of nature not brainwaves, it's their "unified field technology" that they are claiming is affecting your brain, not other people's thoughts. If the brain waves of TM'ers are supposedly more coherent and life supporting (I have doubts about that) then the MMY effect comes (supposedly) into play and effects what others think and do. That is "the environment". We can measure electrical activity in brains easily but you have to attach some sensitive electrodes directly to the scalp to do it. These signals are in the brain, if they could travel outside it would be easy to measure them because we already know the frequencies. All waves, all activity is energy. All energy has force and it could be measured if we had the tools. As long as there is energy there is movement. If radio waves and all sorts of micro waves can be emitted and sent long or short distances through the atmosphere then brain waves are also doing the same thing. Even the beating of ones heart has some ability to be heard and felt outside of the body. I can't help you with your scientific illiteracy. But as your heart can be heard outside of your body a lot easier than your brainwaves can then maybe the Marshy Effect is caused by the slowing down of people's hearts being heard across warzones. Hmm, yes. That makes sense. But we can't and that isn't what they are claiming, the Marshy Effect is supposed to work on some sort of "unified field" that connects all things via our consciousness. Convenient that it seems to be an unmeasurable phenomena, or am I unreasonable in expecting a physical basis to claims for the physical world? Having an effect on a unified field doesn't mean the force, the energy of the brain waves are not somehow hitting outer atmosphere ie being felt outside of the brain and body. Sheesh. Sheesh what? This sentence makes no sense. But it interests me that the TMO publicity machine seems to have had it's way in how it relies on people's ignorance of physics history and understanding of forces and effects. It's their oldest method of working, use a few vaguely familiar sciencey-sounding phrases and use them to piggyback their own beliefs and hope you won't be able to tell the difference. Where we go beyond that, I don't know. I maintain that any body or an object with mass emits waves of some kind. Why on Earth would you want to maintain that? Because he is right, they do. LOL Where we go beyond that, I don't know. And yes, I believe celestial objects fall in to this somewhere. We are free to believe what we like. The TMO are trying to make money by claiming an actual physical effect. Still, I guess your response answers my question about who the letter was aimed at You're such a curmudgeon. Why? Someone has to stand up for reality. People like Steve who don't have a grounding in science are the intended recipients of this stuff. They'll bleed him dry if they get the chance. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : All you have to do is read the comments at the bottom of the Youtube video to see what people think of it.A sane person would distance themselves from such *nonsense*. I wouldn't be caught dead endorsing yogic flying and the TMO to create world peace. Might pull for it secretly though, kind of like a Muslim secretly pulling for a Caliphate. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 11:34 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%! Any idea why they are bothering with this? It doesn't even mention yogic flying so if anyone takes it at face value and does some research, they'll instantly find this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ And that will be that. Anyone looking still further might wonder why we haven't done it anyway if it works. And then we can say; we have been doing it. And yagyas too! So why doesn't it work? because it just doesn't. There is no action at a distance. None of the research goes anywhere proving that it does. The crime rate in Washington didn't fall any further than it randomly fluctuates over the year anyway, even the editors of the journal that one was published in weren't impressed. And the Lebanon study was even more pointless, does anyone look back at that time and wonder why there was a few fewer deaths than expected when there people meditating in Jerusalem? Of course not, because there wasn't. You can't say that more people would have died if we weren't meditating, how are you going to prove it? There are lies, there are damn lies and there are statistics If this amazin
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e we go beyond that, I don't know. And yes, I believe celestial objects fall in to this somewhere. We are free to believe what we like. The TMO are trying to make money by claiming an actual physical effect. Still, I guess your response answers my question about who the letter was aimed at You're such a curmudgeon. Why? Someone has to stand up for reality. People like Steve who don't have a grounding in science are the intended recipients of this stuff. They'll bleed him dry if they get the chance. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : All you have to do is read the comments at the bottom of the Youtube video to see what people think of it.A sane person would distance themselves from such *nonsense*. I wouldn't be caught dead endorsing yogic flying and the TMO to create world peace. Might pull for it secretly though, kind of like a Muslim secretly pulling for a Caliphate. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 11:34 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%! Any idea why they are bothering with this? It doesn't even mention yogic flying so if anyone takes it at face value and does some research, they'll instantly find this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ And that will be that. Anyone looking still further might wonder why we haven't done it anyway if it works. And then we can say; we have been doing it. And yagyas too! So why doesn't it work? because it just doesn't. There is no action at a distance. None of the research goes anywhere proving that it does. The crime rate in Washington didn't fall any further than it randomly fluctuates over the year anyway, even the editors of the journal that one was published in weren't impressed. And the Lebanon study was even more pointless, does anyone look back at that time and wonder why there was a few fewer deaths than expected when there people meditating in Jerusalem? Of course not, because there wasn't. You can't say that more people would have died if we weren't meditating, how are you going to prove it? There are lies, there are damn lies and there are statistics If this amazing "technology" caused world peace we'd already have it, aren't there 250,000 meditators in South America now? The crime rate in Washington would have dropped to nothing if yogic flying worked. The war in Lebanon would have stopped. Even if it's as good as the claimed unmeasurable effects, how would that help in Syria? 10% fewer beheadings than last month? Wouldn't that interfere with Saudi Arabian justice a bit? They won't like that. Let's face it, it's a nice idea - one of the best, but if they can't even explain how it might work by any known mechanism let alone demonstrate that it does it's dead in the water. Perhaps that's why this advert is heavy on promises and light on explanation? Fess up guys, if it worked the amount of meditators, yagyas and pundits all over the world would have had us all dancing in the streets by now, but we appear to be stuck with having to come up with actual solutions for problems rather than hoping some stirrings of bliss in some mythical unified field will magically save the world. I convert for evidence, but I aint ever seen none for magic, nor even had it explained how it might work. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Published scientific studies show TM and advanced practices reduce war deaths and terrorism by more than 70%. (See the journals and statistics below in the middle column.) http://www.gusp.org/pdf/LetterToWorldLeaders.pdf http://www.gusp.org/pdf/LetterToWorldLeaders.pdf
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fall in to this somewhere. We are free to believe what we like. The TMO are trying to make money by claiming an actual physical effect. Still, I guess your response answers my question about who the letter was aimed at You're such a curmudgeon. Why? Someone has to stand up for reality. People like Steve who don't have a grounding in science are the intended recipients of this stuff. They'll bleed him dry if they get the chance. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : All you have to do is read the comments at the bottom of the Youtube video to see what people think of it.A sane person would distance themselves from such *nonsense*. I wouldn't be caught dead endorsing yogic flying and the TMO to create world peace. Might pull for it secretly though, kind of like a Muslim secretly pulling for a Caliphate. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 11:34 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%! Any idea why they are bothering with this? It doesn't even mention yogic flying so if anyone takes it at face value and does some research, they'll instantly find this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ And that will be that. Anyone looking still further might wonder why we haven't done it anyway if it works. And then we can say; we have been doing it. And yagyas too! So why doesn't it work? because it just doesn't. There is no action at a distance. None of the research goes anywhere proving that it does. The crime rate in Washington didn't fall any further than it randomly fluctuates over the year anyway, even the editors of the journal that one was published in weren't impressed. And the Lebanon study was even more pointless, does anyone look back at that time and wonder why there was a few fewer deaths than expected when there people meditating in Jerusalem? Of course not, because there wasn't. You can't say that more people would have died if we weren't meditating, how are you going to prove it? There are lies, there are damn lies and there are statistics If this amazing "technology" caused world peace we'd already have it, aren't there 250,000 meditators in South America now? The crime rate in Washington would have dropped to nothing if yogic flying worked. The war in Lebanon would have stopped. Even if it's as good as the claimed unmeasurable effects, how would that help in Syria? 10% fewer beheadings than last month? Wouldn't that interfere with Saudi Arabian justice a bit? They won't like that. Let's face it, it's a nice idea - one of the best, but if they can't even explain how it might work by any known mechanism let alone demonstrate that it does it's dead in the water. Perhaps that's why this advert is heavy on promises and light on explanation? Fess up guys, if it worked the amount of meditators, yagyas and pundits all over the world would have had us all dancing in the streets by now, but we appear to be stuck with having to come up with actual solutions for problems rather than hoping some stirrings of bliss in some mythical unified field will magically save the world. I convert for evidence, but I aint ever seen none for magic, nor even had it explained how it might work. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Published scientific studies show TM and advanced practices reduce war deaths and terrorism by more than 70%. (See the journals and statistics below in the middle column.) http://www.gusp.org/pdf/LetterToWorldLeaders.pdf http://www.gusp.org/pdf/LetterToWorldLeaders.pdf
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travel outside it would be easy to measure them because we already know the frequencies. All waves, all activity is energy. All energy has force and it could be measured if we had the tools. As long as there is energy there is movement. If radio waves and all sorts of micro waves can be emitted and sent long or short distances through the atmosphere then brain waves are also doing the same thing. Even the beating of ones heart has some ability to be heard and felt outside of the body. I can't help you with your scientific illiteracy. But as your heart can be heard outside of your body a lot easier than your brainwaves can then maybe the Marshy Effect is caused by the slowing down of people's hearts being heard across warzones. Hmm, yes. That makes sense. But we can't and that isn't what they are claiming, the Marshy Effect is supposed to work on some sort of "unified field" that connects all things via our consciousness. Convenient that it seems to be an unmeasurable phenomena, or am I unreasonable in expecting a physical basis to claims for the physical world? Having an effect on a unified field doesn't mean the force, the energy of the brain waves are not somehow hitting outer atmosphere ie being felt outside of the brain and body. Sheesh. Sheesh what? This sentence makes no sense. But it interests me that the TMO publicity machine seems to have had it's way in how it relies on people's ignorance of physics history and understanding of forces and effects. It's their oldest method of working, use a few vaguely familiar sciencey-sounding phrases and use them to piggyback their own beliefs and hope you won't be able to tell the difference. Where we go beyond that, I don't know. I maintain that any body or an object with mass emits waves of some kind. Why on Earth would you want to maintain that? Because he is right, they do. LOL Where we go beyond that, I don't know. And yes, I believe celestial objects fall in to this somewhere. We are free to believe what we like. The TMO are trying to make money by claiming an actual physical effect. Still, I guess your response answers my question about who the letter was aimed at You're such a curmudgeon. Why? Someone has to stand up for reality. People like Steve who don't have a grounding in science are the intended recipients of this stuff. They'll bleed him dry if they get the chance. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : All you have to do is read the comments at the bottom of the Youtube video to see what people think of it.A sane person would distance themselves from such *nonsense*. I wouldn't be caught dead endorsing yogic flying and the TMO to create world peace. Might pull for it secretly though, kind of like a Muslim secretly pulling for a Caliphate. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 11:34 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%! Any idea why they are bothering with this? It doesn't even mention yogic flying so if anyone takes it at face value and does some research, they'll instantly find this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ And that will be that. Anyone looking still further might wonder why we haven't done it anyway if it works. And then we can say; we have been doing it. And yagyas too! So why doesn't it work? because it just doesn't. There is no action at a distance. None of the research goes anywhere proving that it does. The crime rate in Washington didn't fall any further than it randomly fluctuates over the year anyway, even the editors of the journal that one was published in weren't impressed. And the Lebanon study was even more pointless, does anyone look back at that time and wonder why there was a few fewer deaths than expected when there people meditating in Jerusalem? Of course not, because there wasn't. You can't say that more people would have died if we weren't meditating, how are you going to prove it? There are lies, there are damn lies and there are statistics If this amazing "technology" caused world peace we'd already have it, aren't there 250,000 meditators in South America now? The crime rate in Washington would have dropped to nothing if yogic flying worked. The war in Lebanon would have stopped. Even if it's as good as the claimed unmeasurable effects, how would that help in Syria? 10% fewer beheadings than last month? Wouldn't that interfere with Saudi Arabian justice a bit? They won't like that. Let's face it, it's a nice idea - one of the best, but if they can't even explain how it might wor
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You just have a problem when people think in a different manner than what you approve of. And I'm not frightened by this concept of personal accountability. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Again, it does strike me as weird this preoccupation of some with how other people spend their money. It is their money after all, and most people enjoy spending money. I don't think they need someone looking over their shoulder saying "Stop. I disapprove of you spending your money this way" I might be inclined to tell them to take a flying fuck in a rolling doughnut. I surely might. (-: It's easier than thinking. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : snip If others find it rewarding and helpful to pay money or to engage in all or some of these things, who cares and why? I mean, just look at the cosmetic industry, as one example, and how millions of women dish our their cash in order to look years younger or sexier when, in fact, it's all just so much snake oil? Every minute of every day we are spending time and money on stuff that is either misrepresented or just plain unproven and untrue or simply a waste of time. In the meantime, I'm banking on this lottery ticket I have to win me $50m so I can go out and buy the latest skin care products. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 11:34 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%! Any idea why they are bothering with this? It doesn't even mention yogic flying so if anyone takes it at face value and does some research, they'll instantly find this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ And that will be that. Anyone looking still further might wonder why we haven't done it anyway if it works. And then we can say; we have been doing it. And yagyas too! So why doesn't it work? because it just doesn't. There is no action at a distance. None of the research goes anywhere proving that it does. The crime rate in Washington didn't fall any further than it randomly fluctuates over the year anyway, even the editors of the journal that one was published in weren't impressed. And the Lebanon study was even more pointless, does anyone look back at that time and wonder why there was a few fewer deaths than expected when there people meditating in Jerusalem? Of course not, because there wasn't. You can't say that more people would have died if we weren't meditating, how are you going to prove it? There are lies, there are damn lies and there are statistics If this amazing "technology" caused world peace we'd already have it, aren't there 250,000 meditators in South America now? The crime rate in Washington would have dropped to nothing if yogic flying worked. The war in Lebanon would have stopped. Even if it's as good as the claimed unmeasurable effects, how would that help in Syria? 10% fewer beheadings than last month? Wouldn't that interfere with Saudi Arabian justice a bit? They won't like that. Let's face it, it's a nice idea - one of the best, but if they can't even explain how it might work by any known mechanism let alone demonstrate that it does it's dead in the water. Perhaps that's why this advert is heavy on promises and light on explanation? Fess up guys, if it worked the amount of meditators, yagyas and pundits all over the world would have had us all dancing in the streets by now, but we appear to be stuck with having to come up with actual solutions for problems rather than hoping some stirrings of bliss in some mythical unified field will magically save the world. I convert for evidence, but I aint ever seen none for magic, nor even had it explained how it might work.
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Uh, Salyavin, there are consumer laws to cover some or all the situations you list below. Society determines what is acceptable risk, what is choice, and what is fraud. Sometimes that line can be fuzzy, but there is a line. You wish to expand this concept to cover something that you find objectionable. It doesn't work that way, does it. You may engage in an activity that someone else feels should be curtailed, maybe like riding a bike on the Sabbath. And guess what. I have bought a car that broke down the next day. Was I pissed? I sure was. But whose fault was that? It's a harsh world, and there are laws that have been written to protect rights, but you can't as a rule cede personal responsibility to some outside agency. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : If others find it rewarding and helpful to pay money or to engage in all or some of these things, who cares and why? I do. If someone rang your grandmother and told her they could make her rich by giving them all her life savings and investing it in junk bonds and then spending her money on foreign holidays and sports cars, would you be angry? Of course. Would you be counting on some consumer law to protect her? If not, why not? If someone sold you a car that broke down the next day you'd expect some sort of legal protection right? Suppose you knew someone who was mentally disabled and some stupid religious group told him their prayers would be the best money they ever spent and took £40,000 off them. And obviously gave nothing in return because prayers don't work? Wouldn't you be angry and want to see them brought down a peg or two? Suppose you were part of an internet chat group and every time you pointed out people were getting conned by bullshit other people reverted to cult type and attacked you with insults and very weak arguments about how it was people's right to get conned if they want to? You'd probably be a staggered as me I suspect. My next door neighbour is a Christian and spends a lot of his time praying. His prayers are undoubtably as effective as the TMO's yagyas (ie: not at all) But here's the thing, his don't cost a fortune. His aren't shrouded with lies and highly dubious scientific claims in order to make the victim, sorry recipient, think they are getting sort sort of historically validated technology to alter the laws of nature. From day one in the TMO they are training you to believe this crap and they are counting on your scientific illiteracy to do the work for them. It is a con and I am happy to point it out whenever they try it just as I would be if someone tried to sell me a crappy car or rob my grandmother. With a lot of people in the TMO I consider this a folie a deux - a shared delusion - but not with John Hagelin or Tony Nader, they know what they are doing and they are trying to raise money out of other people's ignorance and I am fascinated to watch people who have been through the brainwashing defend them by attacking me. What do people find rewarding about being conned out of their life savings anyway? Nothing I suspect. You can buy a yagya for anything, a death, a birth, a wedding, getting a new job, looking for a new car, I know someone who paid for a yagya for her dying cat! And they took her money! I'd love to know how much money the TMO makes out of it all. Untold millions every year and it's all rubbish. Amazing really, I'm almost honoured to be witnessing such a brilliant scam. I mean, just look at the cosmetic industry, as one example, and how millions of women dish our their cash in order to look years younger or sexier when, in fact, it's all just so much snake oil? Every minute of every day we are spending time and money on stuff that is either misrepresented or just plain unproven and untrue or simply a waste of time. In the meantime, I'm banking on this lottery ticket I have to win me $50m so I can go out and buy the latest skin care products. You have more chance of getting something with your lottery ticket than you do buying yagya's. But why do you think it's OK for religious groups to lie because you like cosmetics? I don't get your argument there, it isn't the same thing is it?. Put on make-up and look in the mirror and you like the results. Pay £5,000 for a health yagya and it doesn't work and then fall back on your brainwashing and come up with an excuse, planets emitting waves at you or karma being too strong maybe. Best get another yagya to counteract the negativity that stopped the first one working. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 11:34 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re
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he Youtube video to see what people think of it.A sane person would distance themselves from such *nonsense*. I wouldn't be caught dead endorsing yogic flying and the TMO to create world peace. Might pull for it secretly though, kind of like a Muslim secretly pulling for a Caliphate. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 11:34 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%! Any idea why they are bothering with this? It doesn't even mention yogic flying so if anyone takes it at face value and does some research, they'll instantly find this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ And that will be that. Anyone looking still further might wonder why we haven't done it anyway if it works. And then we can say; we have been doing it. And yagyas too! So why doesn't it work? because it just doesn't. There is no action at a distance. None of the research goes anywhere proving that it does. The crime rate in Washington didn't fall any further than it randomly fluctuates over the year anyway, even the editors of the journal that one was published in weren't impressed. And the Lebanon study was even more pointless, does anyone look back at that time and wonder why there was a few fewer deaths than expected when there people meditating in Jerusalem? Of course not, because there wasn't. You can't say that more people would have died if we weren't meditating, how are you going to prove it? There are lies, there are damn lies and there are statistics If this amazing "technology" caused world peace we'd already have it, aren't there 250,000 meditators in South America now? The crime rate in Washington would have dropped to nothing if yogic flying worked. The war in Lebanon would have stopped. Even if it's as good as the claimed unmeasurable effects, how would that help in Syria? 10% fewer beheadings than last month? Wouldn't that interfere with Saudi Arabian justice a bit? They won't like that. Let's face it, it's a nice idea - one of the best, but if they can't even explain how it might work by any known mechanism let alone demonstrate that it does it's dead in the water. Perhaps that's why this advert is heavy on promises and light on explanation? Fess up guys, if it worked the amount of meditators, yagyas and pundits all over the world would have had us all dancing in the streets by now, but we appear to be stuck with having to come up with actual solutions for problems rather than hoping some stirrings of bliss in some mythical unified field will magically save the world. I convert for evidence, but I aint ever seen none for magic, nor even had it explained how it might work. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Published scientific studies show TM and advanced practices reduce war deaths and terrorism by more than 70%. (See the journals and statistics below in the middle column.) http://www.gusp.org/pdf/LetterToWorldLeaders.pdf http://www.gusp.org/pdf/LetterToWorldLeaders.pdf
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nsense*. I wouldn't be caught dead endorsing yogic flying and the TMO to create world peace. Might pull for it secretly though, kind of like a Muslim secretly pulling for a Caliphate. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 11:34 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%! Any idea why they are bothering with this? It doesn't even mention yogic flying so if anyone takes it at face value and does some research, they'll instantly find this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ And that will be that. Anyone looking still further might wonder why we haven't done it anyway if it works. And then we can say; we have been doing it. And yagyas too! So why doesn't it work? because it just doesn't. There is no action at a distance. None of the research goes anywhere proving that it does. The crime rate in Washington didn't fall any further than it randomly fluctuates over the year anyway, even the editors of the journal that one was published in weren't impressed. And the Lebanon study was even more pointless, does anyone look back at that time and wonder why there was a few fewer deaths than expected when there people meditating in Jerusalem? Of course not, because there wasn't. You can't say that more people would have died if we weren't meditating, how are you going to prove it? There are lies, there are damn lies and there are statistics If this amazing "technology" caused world peace we'd already have it, aren't there 250,000 meditators in South America now? The crime rate in Washington would have dropped to nothing if yogic flying worked. The war in Lebanon would have stopped. Even if it's as good as the claimed unmeasurable effects, how would that help in Syria? 10% fewer beheadings than last month? Wouldn't that interfere with Saudi Arabian justice a bit? They won't like that. Let's face it, it's a nice idea - one of the best, but if they can't even explain how it might work by any known mechanism let alone demonstrate that it does it's dead in the water. Perhaps that's why this advert is heavy on promises and light on explanation? Fess up guys, if it worked the amount of meditators, yagyas and pundits all over the world would have had us all dancing in the streets by now, but we appear to be stuck with having to come up with actual solutions for problems rather than hoping some stirrings of bliss in some mythical unified field will magically save the world. I convert for evidence, but I aint ever seen none for magic, nor even had it explained how it might work. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Published scientific studies show TM and advanced practices reduce war deaths and terrorism by more than 70%. (See the journals and statistics below in the middle column.) http://www.gusp.org/pdf/LetterToWorldLeaders.pdf http://www.gusp.org/pdf/LetterToWorldLeaders.pdf
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on about who the letter was aimed at ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : All you have to do is read the comments at the bottom of the Youtube video to see what people think of it.A sane person would distance themselves from such *nonsense*. I wouldn't be caught dead endorsing yogic flying and the TMO to create world peace. Might pull for it secretly though, kind of like a Muslim secretly pulling for a Caliphate. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 11:34 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%! Any idea why they are bothering with this? It doesn't even mention yogic flying so if anyone takes it at face value and does some research, they'll instantly find this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ And that will be that. Anyone looking still further might wonder why we haven't done it anyway if it works. And then we can say; we have been doing it. And yagyas too! So why doesn't it work? because it just doesn't. There is no action at a distance. None of the research goes anywhere proving that it does. The crime rate in Washington didn't fall any further than it randomly fluctuates over the year anyway, even the editors of the journal that one was published in weren't impressed. And the Lebanon study was even more pointless, does anyone look back at that time and wonder why there was a few fewer deaths than expected when there people meditating in Jerusalem? Of course not, because there wasn't. You can't say that more people would have died if we weren't meditating, how are you going to prove it? There are lies, there are damn lies and there are statistics If this amazing "technology" caused world peace we'd already have it, aren't there 250,000 meditators in South America now? The crime rate in Washington would have dropped to nothing if yogic flying worked. The war in Lebanon would have stopped. Even if it's as good as the claimed unmeasurable effects, how would that help in Syria? 10% fewer beheadings than last month? Wouldn't that interfere with Saudi Arabian justice a bit? They won't like that. Let's face it, it's a nice idea - one of the best, but if they can't even explain how it might work by any known mechanism let alone demonstrate that it does it's dead in the water. Perhaps that's why this advert is heavy on promises and light on explanation? Fess up guys, if it worked the amount of meditators, yagyas and pundits all over the world would have had us all dancing in the streets by now, but we appear to be stuck with having to come up with actual solutions for problems rather than hoping some stirrings of bliss in some mythical unified field will magically save the world. I convert for evidence, but I aint ever seen none for magic, nor even had it explained how it might work. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Published scientific studies show TM and advanced practices reduce war deaths and terrorism by more than 70%. (See the journals and statistics below in the middle column.) http://www.gusp.org/pdf/LetterToWorldLeaders.pdf http://www.gusp.org/pdf/LetterToWorldLeaders.pdf
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Again, it does strike me as weird this preoccupation of some with how other people spend their money. It is their money after all, and most people enjoy spending money. I don't think they need someone looking over their shoulder saying "Stop. I disapprove of you spending your money this way" I might be inclined to tell them to take a flying fuck in a rolling doughnut. I surely might. (-: It's easier than thinking. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : snip If others find it rewarding and helpful to pay money or to engage in all or some of these things, who cares and why? I mean, just look at the cosmetic industry, as one example, and how millions of women dish our their cash in order to look years younger or sexier when, in fact, it's all just so much snake oil? Every minute of every day we are spending time and money on stuff that is either misrepresented or just plain unproven and untrue or simply a waste of time. In the meantime, I'm banking on this lottery ticket I have to win me $50m so I can go out and buy the latest skin care products. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 11:34 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%! Any idea why they are bothering with this? It doesn't even mention yogic flying so if anyone takes it at face value and does some research, they'll instantly find this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ And that will be that. Anyone looking still further might wonder why we haven't done it anyway if it works. And then we can say; we have been doing it. And yagyas too! So why doesn't it work? because it just doesn't. There is no action at a distance. None of the research goes anywhere proving that it does. The crime rate in Washington didn't fall any further than it randomly fluctuates over the year anyway, even the editors of the journal that one was published in weren't impressed. And the Lebanon study was even more pointless, does anyone look back at that time and wonder why there was a few fewer deaths than expected when there people meditating in Jerusalem? Of course not, because there wasn't. You can't say that more people would have died if we weren't meditating, how are you going to prove it? There are lies, there are damn lies and there are statistics If this amazing "technology" caused world peace we'd already have it, aren't there 250,000 meditators in South America now? The crime rate in Washington would have dropped to nothing if yogic flying worked. The war in Lebanon would have stopped. Even if it's as good as the claimed unmeasurable effects, how would that help in Syria? 10% fewer beheadings than last month? Wouldn't that interfere with Saudi Arabian justice a bit? They won't like that. Let's face it, it's a nice idea - one of the best, but if they can't even explain how it might work by any known mechanism let alone demonstrate that it does it's dead in the water. Perhaps that's why this advert is heavy on promises and light on explanation? Fess up guys, if it worked the amount of meditators, yagyas and pundits all over the world would have had us all dancing in the streets by now, but we appear to be stuck with having to come up with actual solutions for problems rather than hoping some stirrings of bliss in some mythical unified field will magically save the world. I convert for evidence, but I aint ever seen none for magic, nor even had it explained how it might work.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : If others find it rewarding and helpful to pay money or to engage in all or some of these things, who cares and why? I do. If someone rang your grandmother and told her they could make her rich by giving them all her life savings and investing it in junk bonds and then spending her money on foreign holidays and sports cars, would you be angry? Of course. Would you be counting on some consumer law to protect her? If not, why not? If someone sold you a car that broke down the next day you'd expect some sort of legal protection right? Suppose you knew someone who was mentally disabled and some stupid religious group told him their prayers would be the best money they ever spent and took £40,000 off them. And obviously gave nothing in return because prayers don't work? Wouldn't you be angry and want to see them brought down a peg or two? Suppose you were part of an internet chat group and every time you pointed out people were getting conned by bullshit other people reverted to cult type and attacked you with insults and very weak arguments about how it was people's right to get conned if they want to? You'd probably be a staggered as me I suspect. My next door neighbour is a Christian and spends a lot of his time praying. His prayers are undoubtably as effective as the TMO's yagyas (ie: not at all) But here's the thing, his don't cost a fortune. His aren't shrouded with lies and highly dubious scientific claims in order to make the victim, sorry recipient, think they are getting sort sort of historically validated technology to alter the laws of nature. From day one in the TMO they are training you to believe this crap and they are counting on your scientific illiteracy to do the work for them. It is a con and I am happy to point it out whenever they try it just as I would be if someone tried to sell me a crappy car or rob my grandmother. With a lot of people in the TMO I consider this a folie a deux - a shared delusion - but not with John Hagelin or Tony Nader, they know what they are doing and they are trying to raise money out of other people's ignorance and I am fascinated to watch people who have been through the brainwashing defend them by attacking me. What do people find rewarding about being conned out of their life savings anyway? Nothing I suspect. You can buy a yagya for anything, a death, a birth, a wedding, getting a new job, looking for a new car, I know someone who paid for a yagya for her dying cat! And they took her money! I'd love to know how much money the TMO makes out of it all. Untold millions every year and it's all rubbish. Amazing really, I'm almost honoured to be witnessing such a brilliant scam. I mean, just look at the cosmetic industry, as one example, and how millions of women dish our their cash in order to look years younger or sexier when, in fact, it's all just so much snake oil? Every minute of every day we are spending time and money on stuff that is either misrepresented or just plain unproven and untrue or simply a waste of time. In the meantime, I'm banking on this lottery ticket I have to win me $50m so I can go out and buy the latest skin care products. You have more chance of getting something with your lottery ticket than you do buying yagya's. But why do you think it's OK for religious groups to lie because you like cosmetics? I don't get your argument there, it isn't the same thing is it?. Put on make-up and look in the mirror and you like the results. Pay £5,000 for a health yagya and it doesn't work and then fall back on your brainwashing and come up with an excuse, planets emitting waves at you or karma being too strong maybe. Best get another yagya to counteract the negativity that stopped the first one working. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 11:34 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%! Any idea why they are bothering with this? It doesn't even mention yogic flying so if anyone takes it at face value and does some research, they'll instantly find this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ And that will be that. Anyone looking still further might wonder why we haven't done it anyway if it works. And then we can say; we have been doing it. And yagyas too! So why doesn't it work? because it just doesn't. There is no action at a distance. None of the research goes anywhere proving that it does. The crime rate in Washington didn't fall any further than it randomly fluctuates over the year anyway, even the editor
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Good nuance. Good comparison. A Caliphate? So the TMO is a social system grounded in ancient literature? Yep, that's a fine comparison. I maintain that brain waves are real and affect one's environment. No one would argue that brain waves are real, but affecting the environment? Not even the TMO is claiming that. Of course they are. No they aren't! They are claiming that they affect the fundamental level of nature not brainwaves, it's their "unified field technology" that they are claiming is affecting your brain, not other people's thoughts. If the brain waves of TM'ers are supposedly more coherent and life supporting (I have doubts about that) then the MMY effect comes (supposedly) into play and effects what others think and do. That is "the environment". We can measure electrical activity in brains easily but you have to attach some sensitive electrodes directly to the scalp to do it. These signals are in the brain, if they could travel outside it would be easy to measure them because we already know the frequencies. All waves, all activity is energy. All energy has force and it could be measured if we had the tools. As long as there is energy there is movement. If radio waves and all sorts of micro waves can be emitted and sent long or short distances through the atmosphere then brain waves are also doing the same thing. Even the beating of ones heart has some ability to be heard and felt outside of the body. I can't help you with your scientific illiteracy. But as your heart can be heard outside of your body a lot easier than your brainwaves can then maybe the Marshy Effect is caused by the slowing down of people's hearts being heard across warzones. Hmm, yes. That makes sense. But we can't and that isn't what they are claiming, the Marshy Effect is supposed to work on some sort of "unified field" that connects all things via our consciousness. Convenient that it seems to be an unmeasurable phenomena, or am I unreasonable in expecting a physical basis to claims for the physical world? Having an effect on a unified field doesn't mean the force, the energy of the brain waves are not somehow hitting outer atmosphere ie being felt outside of the brain and body. Sheesh. Sheesh what? This sentence makes no sense. But it interests me that the TMO publicity machine seems to have had it's way in how it relies on people's ignorance of physics history and understanding of forces and effects. It's their oldest method of working, use a few vaguely familiar sciencey-sounding phrases and use them to piggyback their own beliefs and hope you won't be able to tell the difference. Where we go beyond that, I don't know. I maintain that any body or an object with mass emits waves of some kind. Why on Earth would you want to maintain that? Because he is right, they do. LOL Where we go beyond that, I don't know. And yes, I believe celestial objects fall in to this somewhere. We are free to believe what we like. The TMO are trying to make money by claiming an actual physical effect. Still, I guess your response answers my question about who the letter was aimed at You're such a curmudgeon. Why? Someone has to stand up for reality. People like Steve who don't have a grounding in science are the intended recipients of this stuff. They'll bleed him dry if they get the chance. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : All you have to do is read the comments at the bottom of the Youtube video to see what people think of it.A sane person would distance themselves from such *nonsense*. I wouldn't be caught dead endorsing yogic flying and the TMO to create world peace. Might pull for it secretly though, kind of like a Muslim secretly pulling for a Caliphate. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 11:34 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%! Any idea why they are bothering with this? It doesn't even mention yogic flying so if anyone takes it at face value and does some research, they'll instantly find this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ And that will be that. Anyone looking still further might wonder why we haven't done it anyway if it works. And then we can say; we have been doing it. And yagyas too! So why doesn't it work? because it just doesn't. There is no action at a distance. None of the research goes anywhere proving that it does. The crime rate in Wa
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Again, it does strike me as weird this preoccupation of some with how other people spend their money. It is their money after all, and most people enjoy spending money. I don't think they need someone looking over their shoulder saying "Stop. I disapprove of you spending your money this way" I might be inclined to tell them to take a flying fuck in a rolling doughnut. I surely might. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : snip If others find it rewarding and helpful to pay money or to engage in all or some of these things, who cares and why? I mean, just look at the cosmetic industry, as one example, and how millions of women dish our their cash in order to look years younger or sexier when, in fact, it's all just so much snake oil? Every minute of every day we are spending time and money on stuff that is either misrepresented or just plain unproven and untrue or simply a waste of time. In the meantime, I'm banking on this lottery ticket I have to win me $50m so I can go out and buy the latest skin care products. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 11:34 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%! Any idea why they are bothering with this? It doesn't even mention yogic flying so if anyone takes it at face value and does some research, they'll instantly find this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ And that will be that. Anyone looking still further might wonder why we haven't done it anyway if it works. And then we can say; we have been doing it. And yagyas too! So why doesn't it work? because it just doesn't. There is no action at a distance. None of the research goes anywhere proving that it does. The crime rate in Washington didn't fall any further than it randomly fluctuates over the year anyway, even the editors of the journal that one was published in weren't impressed. And the Lebanon study was even more pointless, does anyone look back at that time and wonder why there was a few fewer deaths than expected when there people meditating in Jerusalem? Of course not, because there wasn't. You can't say that more people would have died if we weren't meditating, how are you going to prove it? There are lies, there are damn lies and there are statistics If this amazing "technology" caused world peace we'd already have it, aren't there 250,000 meditators in South America now? The crime rate in Washington would have dropped to nothing if yogic flying worked. The war in Lebanon would have stopped. Even if it's as good as the claimed unmeasurable effects, how would that help in Syria? 10% fewer beheadings than last month? Wouldn't that interfere with Saudi Arabian justice a bit? They won't like that. Let's face it, it's a nice idea - one of the best, but if they can't even explain how it might work by any known mechanism let alone demonstrate that it does it's dead in the water. Perhaps that's why this advert is heavy on promises and light on explanation? Fess up guys, if it worked the amount of meditators, yagyas and pundits all over the world would have had us all dancing in the streets by now, but we appear to be stuck with having to come up with actual solutions for problems rather than hoping some stirrings of bliss in some mythical unified field will magically save the world. I convert for evidence, but I aint ever seen none for magic, nor even had it explained how it might work.
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It doesn't even mention yogic flying.. and Why? The guy is a scientist and makes administrative decisions based on observation, gathering data, testing, and experience. Metrics and merit now matter more in the running of the new TM order than just some old rigid belief in ideology. This is refreshing and comes of necessity. This large order world-wide advertising heralds a new new [post-vedic-f-ing?] time for TM. -JGU ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Why? Any idea why they are bothering with this? It doesn't even mention yogic flying.. Reality check. An adaption based on observation of human behavior. Evidently Yogic flying as advanced practice seems too fantastic and complex to frankly lead with. But the science research on meditation and people's experience with meditation are tight and they carry their own weight separately as a practical reality. The meditation part of TM is well taught, people generally like it, the science is substantial, so evidently he is going now with 'TM' in the larger marketplace of ideas and less so with what was but one 'advanced practice' of Yogic-F'ing. There seems an evident re-alignment to what works well, the meditation. Not that yogic flying won't be somewhere in the bowels of TM. But evidently the lead is different with this, like putting a better foot forward. It is very mammalian, The movement is yet alive and moves, of necessity. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : 7thRay writes Good nuance. Good comparison. salyavin808 writes: A Caliphate? So the TMO is a social system grounded in ancient literature? Yep, that's a fine comparison. I maintain that brain waves are real and affect one's environment. No one would argue that brain waves are real, but affecting the environment? Not even the TMO is claiming that. We can measure electrical activity in brains easily but you have to attach some sensitive electrodes directly to the scalp to do it. These signals are in the brain, if they could travel outside it would be easy to measure them because we already know the frequencies. But we can't and that isn't what they are claiming, the Marshy Effect is supposed to work on some sort of "unified field" that connects all things via our consciousness. Convenient that it seems to be an unmeasurable phenomena, or am I unreasonable in expecting a physical basis to claims for the physical world? Where we go beyond that, I don't know. I maintain that any body or an object with mass emits waves of some kind. Why on Earth would you want to maintain that? Where we go beyond that, I don't know. And yes, I believe celestial objects fall in to this somewhere. We are free to believe what we like. The TMO are trying to make money by claiming an actual physical effect. Still, I guess your response answers my question about who the letter was aimed at ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : All you have to do is read the comments at the bottom of the Youtube video to see what people think of it.A sane person would distance themselves from such *nonsense*. I wouldn't be caught dead endorsing yogic flying and the TMO to create world peace. Might pull for it secretly though, kind of like a Muslim secretly pulling for a Caliphate. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 11:34 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%! Any idea why they are bothering with this? It doesn't even mention yogic flying so if anyone takes it at face value and does some research, they'll instantly find this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ And that will be that. Anyone looking still further might wonder why we haven't done it anyway if it works. And then we can say; we have been doing it. And yagyas too! So why doesn't it work? because it just doesn't. There is no action at a distance. None of the research goes anywhere proving that it does. The crime rate in Washington didn't fall any further than it randomly fluctuates over the year anyway, even the editors of the journal that one was published in weren't impressed. And the Lebanon study was even more pointless, does anyone look back at that time and wonder why there was a few fewer deaths than expected when there people meditating in Jerusalem? Of course not, because there wasn't. You can't say that more people would have died if we weren't meditating, how are you going to prove it? There are lies, there are damn lies and there are statistics If this amazing "technology" caused world peace we'd
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Good nuance. Good comparison. A Caliphate? So the TMO is a social system grounded in ancient literature? Yep, that's a fine comparison. I maintain that brain waves are real and affect one's environment. No one would argue that brain waves are real, but affecting the environment? Not even the TMO is claiming that. Of course they are. If the brain waves of TM'ers are supposedly more coherent and life supporting (I have doubts about that) then the MMY effect comes (supposedly) into play and effects what others think and do. That is "the environment". We can measure electrical activity in brains easily but you have to attach some sensitive electrodes directly to the scalp to do it. These signals are in the brain, if they could travel outside it would be easy to measure them because we already know the frequencies. All waves, all activity is energy. All energy has force and it could be measured if we had the tools. As long as there is energy there is movement. If radio waves and all sorts of micro waves can be emitted and sent long or short distances through the atmosphere then brain waves are also doing the same thing. Even the beating of ones heart has some ability to be heard and felt outside of the body. But we can't and that isn't what they are claiming, the Marshy Effect is supposed to work on some sort of "unified field" that connects all things via our consciousness. Convenient that it seems to be an unmeasurable phenomena, or am I unreasonable in expecting a physical basis to claims for the physical world? Having an effect on a unified field doesn't mean the force, the energy of the brain waves are not somehow hitting outer atmosphere ie being felt outside of the brain and body. Sheesh. Where we go beyond that, I don't know. I maintain that any body or an object with mass emits waves of some kind. Why on Earth would you want to maintain that? Because he is right, they do. Where we go beyond that, I don't know. And yes, I believe celestial objects fall in to this somewhere. We are free to believe what we like. The TMO are trying to make money by claiming an actual physical effect. Still, I guess your response answers my question about who the letter was aimed at You're such a curmudgeon. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : All you have to do is read the comments at the bottom of the Youtube video to see what people think of it.A sane person would distance themselves from such *nonsense*. I wouldn't be caught dead endorsing yogic flying and the TMO to create world peace. Might pull for it secretly though, kind of like a Muslim secretly pulling for a Caliphate. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 11:34 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%! Any idea why they are bothering with this? It doesn't even mention yogic flying so if anyone takes it at face value and does some research, they'll instantly find this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ And that will be that. Anyone looking still further might wonder why we haven't done it anyway if it works. And then we can say; we have been doing it. And yagyas too! So why doesn't it work? because it just doesn't. There is no action at a distance. None of the research goes anywhere proving that it does. The crime rate in Washington didn't fall any further than it randomly fluctuates over the year anyway, even the editors of the journal that one was published in weren't impressed. And the Lebanon study was even more pointless, does anyone look back at that time and wonder why there was a few fewer deaths than expected when there people meditating in Jerusalem? Of course not, because there wasn't. You can't say that more people would have died if we weren't meditating, how are you going to prove it? There are lies, there are damn lies and there are statistics If this amazing "technology" caused world peace we'd already have it, aren't there 250,000 meditators in South America now? The crime rate in Washington would have dropped to nothing if yogic flying worked. The war in Lebanon would have stopped. Even if it's as good as the claimed unmeasurable effects, how would that help in Syria? 10% fewer beheadings than last month? Wouldn't that interfere with Saudi Arabian justice a bit? They won't like that. Let's face it, it's a nice idea - one of the best, but if they can't even explain how it might work by any known mechanism let alone dem
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : All you have to do is read the comments at the bottom of the Youtube video to see what people think of it.A sane person would distance themselves from such *nonsense*. I wouldn't be caught dead endorsing yogic flying and the TMO to create world peace. Might pull for it secretly though, kind of like a Muslim secretly pulling for a Caliphate. Oh, I'd endorse it if I believed it, no problem. Trouble is, I can't see it working or how it could be working if I could see it! It's a nice idea that people can influence each other towards peaceful cooperation without them even being aware of it though. One of the best. I used to think there's no harm in trying, but there's been a lot of financial harm over the years. Marshy's last big idea was a wealth fund to keep a bunch of pundits chanting non-stop to create world peace. An awful lot of people gave up an awful lot of money for that, a fool and his money are soon parted you might say but surely we have to raise the alarm if they keep trying the same scam every time the world goes banana shaped... I left the movement long before all of this yagya/investment stuff. I invested in an education at MIU that I chose and that I subsequently gained/profited from. I paid, I got my money's worth. I chose to learn the Sidhis. It was an interesting experience and worth the few shekels I had to dish out. No biggie. However, I was not interested beyond that in either becoming a TM teacher and "devoting" large swathes of my life to selling the technique nor was I ever involved in giving money to either Ayurvedic or any other TM related product including their honey so I guess it is easy for me to ignore all of that and not make a fuss. If others find it rewarding and helpful to pay money or to engage in all or some of these things, who cares and why? I mean, just look at the cosmetic industry, as one example, and how millions of women dish our their cash in order to look years younger or sexier when, in fact, it's all just so much snake oil? Every minute of every day we are spending time and money on stuff that is either misrepresented or just plain unproven and untrue or simply a waste of time. In the meantime, I'm banking on this lottery ticket I have to win me $50m so I can go out and buy the latest skin care products. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 11:34 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%! Any idea why they are bothering with this? It doesn't even mention yogic flying so if anyone takes it at face value and does some research, they'll instantly find this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ And that will be that. Anyone looking still further might wonder why we haven't done it anyway if it works. And then we can say; we have been doing it. And yagyas too! So why doesn't it work? because it just doesn't. There is no action at a distance. None of the research goes anywhere proving that it does. The crime rate in Washington didn't fall any further than it randomly fluctuates over the year anyway, even the editors of the journal that one was published in weren't impressed. And the Lebanon study was even more pointless, does anyone look back at that time and wonder why there was a few fewer deaths than expected when there people meditating in Jerusalem? Of course not, because there wasn't. You can't say that more people would have died if we weren't meditating, how are you going to prove it? There are lies, there are damn lies and there are statistics If this amazing "technology" caused world peace we'd already have it, aren't there 250,000 meditators in South America now? The crime rate in Washington would have dropped to nothing if yogic flying worked. The war in Lebanon would have stopped. Even if it's as good as the claimed unmeasurable effects, how would that help in Syria? 10% fewer beheadings than last month? Wouldn't that interfere with Saudi Arabian justice a bit? They won't like that. Let's face it, it's a nice idea - one of the best, but if they can't even explain how it might work by any known mechanism let alone demonstrate that it does it's dead in the water. Perhaps that's why this advert is heavy on promises and light on explanation? Fess up guys, if it worked the amount of meditators, yagyas and pundits all over the world would have had us all dancing in the streets by now, but we appear to be stuck with having to come up with actual solutions for problems rather than hoping some stirrings
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Why? Any idea why they are bothering with this? It doesn't even mention yogic flying.. Reality check. An adaption based on observation of human behavior. Evidently Yogic flying as advanced practice seems too fantastic and complex to frankly lead with. But the science research on meditation and people's experience with meditation are tight and they carry their own weight separately as a practical reality. The meditation part of TM is well taught, people generally like it, the science is substantial, so evidently he is going now with 'TM' in the larger marketplace of ideas and less so with what was but one 'advanced practice' of Yogic-F'ing. There seems an evident re-alignment to what works well, the meditation. Not that yogic flying won't be somewhere in the bowels of TM. But evidently the lead is different with this, like putting a better foot forward. It is very mammalian, The movement is yet alive and moves, of necessity. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : 7thRay writes Good nuance. Good comparison. salyavin808 writes: A Caliphate? So the TMO is a social system grounded in ancient literature? Yep, that's a fine comparison. I maintain that brain waves are real and affect one's environment. No one would argue that brain waves are real, but affecting the environment? Not even the TMO is claiming that. We can measure electrical activity in brains easily but you have to attach some sensitive electrodes directly to the scalp to do it. These signals are in the brain, if they could travel outside it would be easy to measure them because we already know the frequencies. But we can't and that isn't what they are claiming, the Marshy Effect is supposed to work on some sort of "unified field" that connects all things via our consciousness. Convenient that it seems to be an unmeasurable phenomena, or am I unreasonable in expecting a physical basis to claims for the physical world? Where we go beyond that, I don't know. I maintain that any body or an object with mass emits waves of some kind. Why on Earth would you want to maintain that? Where we go beyond that, I don't know. And yes, I believe celestial objects fall in to this somewhere. We are free to believe what we like. The TMO are trying to make money by claiming an actual physical effect. Still, I guess your response answers my question about who the letter was aimed at ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : All you have to do is read the comments at the bottom of the Youtube video to see what people think of it.A sane person would distance themselves from such *nonsense*. I wouldn't be caught dead endorsing yogic flying and the TMO to create world peace. Might pull for it secretly though, kind of like a Muslim secretly pulling for a Caliphate. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 11:34 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%! Any idea why they are bothering with this? It doesn't even mention yogic flying so if anyone takes it at face value and does some research, they'll instantly find this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ And that will be that. Anyone looking still further might wonder why we haven't done it anyway if it works. And then we can say; we have been doing it. And yagyas too! So why doesn't it work? because it just doesn't. There is no action at a distance. None of the research goes anywhere proving that it does. The crime rate in Washington didn't fall any further than it randomly fluctuates over the year anyway, even the editors of the journal that one was published in weren't impressed. And the Lebanon study was even more pointless, does anyone look back at that time and wonder why there was a few fewer deaths than expected when there people meditating in Jerusalem? Of course not, because there wasn't. You can't say that more people would have died if we weren't meditating, how are you going to prove it? There are lies, there are damn lies and there are statistics If this amazing "technology" caused world peace we'd already have it, aren't there 250,000 meditators in South America now? The crime rate in Washington would have dropped to nothing if yogic flying worked. The war in Lebanon would have stopped. Even if it's as good as the claimed unmeasurable effects, how would that help in Syria? 10% fewer beheadings than last month? Wouldn't that interfere with Saudi Arabian justice a bit? They won't like that. Let's face it, it's a nice idea - one of the b
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I don't have a vested interest in this, but just out of curiosity, why would it be a concern of your how people wish to spend their money? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : snip An awful lot of people gave up an awful lot of money for that, a fool and his money are soon parted you might say but surely we have to raise the alarm if they keep trying the same scam every time the world goes banana shaped... From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 11:34 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%! Any idea why they are bothering with this? It doesn't even mention yogic flying so if anyone takes it at face value and does some research, they'll instantly find this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ And that will be that. Anyone looking still further might wonder why we haven't done it anyway if it works. And then we can say; we have been doing it. And yagyas too! So why doesn't it work? because it just doesn't. There is no action at a distance. None of the research goes anywhere proving that it does. The crime rate in Washington didn't fall any further than it randomly fluctuates over the year anyway, even the editors of the journal that one was published in weren't impressed. And the Lebanon study was even more pointless, does anyone look back at that time and wonder why there was a few fewer deaths than expected when there people meditating in Jerusalem? Of course not, because there wasn't. You can't say that more people would have died if we weren't meditating, how are you going to prove it? There are lies, there are damn lies and there are statistics If this amazing "technology" caused world peace we'd already have it, aren't there 250,000 meditators in South America now? The crime rate in Washington would have dropped to nothing if yogic flying worked. The war in Lebanon would have stopped. Even if it's as good as the claimed unmeasurable effects, how would that help in Syria? 10% fewer beheadings than last month? Wouldn't that interfere with Saudi Arabian justice a bit? They won't like that. Let's face it, it's a nice idea - one of the best, but if they can't even explain how it might work by any known mechanism let alone demonstrate that it does it's dead in the water. Perhaps that's why this advert is heavy on promises and light on explanation? Fess up guys, if it worked the amount of meditators, yagyas and pundits all over the world would have had us all dancing in the streets by now, but we appear to be stuck with having to come up with actual solutions for problems rather than hoping some stirrings of bliss in some mythical unified field will magically save the world. I convert for evidence, but I aint ever seen none for magic, nor even had it explained how it might work. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Published scientific studies show TM and advanced practices reduce war deaths and terrorism by more than 70%. (See the journals and statistics below in the middle column.) http://www.gusp.org/pdf/LetterToWorldLeaders.pdf http://www.gusp.org/pdf/LetterToWorldLeaders.pdf
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Unless and until the TMO can demonstrate with solid evidence that the 1% effect works, I don't see it having much chance of gaining any traction. I was simply pointing out, based on my own experience, that the power of attention can have remarkable and practical effects in everyday life. I don't claim this is a great revelation, or anything that special. At the same time, I think it something a bit more subtle than is commonly taken into consideration. If you want to use this as some evidence against me, I ain't gonna stop you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : snip We are free to believe what we like. The TMO are trying to make money by claiming an actual physical effect. Still, I guess your response answers my question about who the letter was aimed at ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : All you have to do is read the comments at the bottom of the Youtube video to see what people think of it.A sane person would distance themselves from such *nonsense*. I wouldn't be caught dead endorsing yogic flying and the TMO to create world peace. Might pull for it secretly though, kind of like a Muslim secretly pulling for a Caliphate. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 11:34 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%! Any idea why they are bothering with this? It doesn't even mention yogic flying so if anyone takes it at face value and does some research, they'll instantly find this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ And that will be that. Anyone looking still further might wonder why we haven't done it anyway if it works. And then we can say; we have been doing it. And yagyas too! So why doesn't it work? because it just doesn't. There is no action at a distance. None of the research goes anywhere proving that it does. The crime rate in Washington didn't fall any further than it randomly fluctuates over the year anyway, even the editors of the journal that one was published in weren't impressed. And the Lebanon study was even more pointless, does anyone look back at that time and wonder why there was a few fewer deaths than expected when there people meditating in Jerusalem? Of course not, because there wasn't. You can't say that more people would have died if we weren't meditating, how are you going to prove it? There are lies, there are damn lies and there are statistics If this amazing "technology" caused world peace we'd already have it, aren't there 250,000 meditators in South America now? The crime rate in Washington would have dropped to nothing if yogic flying worked. The war in Lebanon would have stopped. Even if it's as good as the claimed unmeasurable effects, how would that help in Syria? 10% fewer beheadings than last month? Wouldn't that interfere with Saudi Arabian justice a bit? They won't like that. Let's face it, it's a nice idea - one of the best, but if they can't even explain how it might work by any known mechanism let alone demonstrate that it does it's dead in the water. Perhaps that's why this advert is heavy on promises and light on explanation? Fess up guys, if it worked the amount of meditators, yagyas and pundits all over the world would have had us all dancing in the streets by now, but we appear to be stuck with having to come up with actual solutions for problems rather than hoping some stirrings of bliss in some mythical unified field will magically save the world. I convert for evidence, but I aint ever seen none for magic, nor even had it explained how it might work. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Published scientific studies show TM and advanced practices reduce war deaths and terrorism by more than 70%. (See the journals and statistics below in the middle column.) http://www.gusp.org/pdf/LetterToWorldLeaders.pdf http://www.gusp.org/pdf/LetterToWorldLeaders.pdf
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : All you have to do is read the comments at the bottom of the Youtube video to see what people think of it.A sane person would distance themselves from such *nonsense*. I wouldn't be caught dead endorsing yogic flying and the TMO to create world peace. Might pull for it secretly though, kind of like a Muslim secretly pulling for a Caliphate. Oh, I'd endorse it if I believed it, no problem. Trouble is, I can't see it working or how it could be working if I could see it! It's a nice idea that people can influence each other towards peaceful cooperation without them even being aware of it though. One of the best. I used to think there's no harm in trying, but there's been a lot of financial harm over the years. Marshy's last big idea was a wealth fund to keep a bunch of pundits chanting non-stop to create world peace. An awful lot of people gave up an awful lot of money for that, a fool and his money are soon parted you might say but surely we have to raise the alarm if they keep trying the same scam every time the world goes banana shaped... From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 11:34 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%! Any idea why they are bothering with this? It doesn't even mention yogic flying so if anyone takes it at face value and does some research, they'll instantly find this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ And that will be that. Anyone looking still further might wonder why we haven't done it anyway if it works. And then we can say; we have been doing it. And yagyas too! So why doesn't it work? because it just doesn't. There is no action at a distance. None of the research goes anywhere proving that it does. The crime rate in Washington didn't fall any further than it randomly fluctuates over the year anyway, even the editors of the journal that one was published in weren't impressed. And the Lebanon study was even more pointless, does anyone look back at that time and wonder why there was a few fewer deaths than expected when there people meditating in Jerusalem? Of course not, because there wasn't. You can't say that more people would have died if we weren't meditating, how are you going to prove it? There are lies, there are damn lies and there are statistics If this amazing "technology" caused world peace we'd already have it, aren't there 250,000 meditators in South America now? The crime rate in Washington would have dropped to nothing if yogic flying worked. The war in Lebanon would have stopped. Even if it's as good as the claimed unmeasurable effects, how would that help in Syria? 10% fewer beheadings than last month? Wouldn't that interfere with Saudi Arabian justice a bit? They won't like that. Let's face it, it's a nice idea - one of the best, but if they can't even explain how it might work by any known mechanism let alone demonstrate that it does it's dead in the water. Perhaps that's why this advert is heavy on promises and light on explanation? Fess up guys, if it worked the amount of meditators, yagyas and pundits all over the world would have had us all dancing in the streets by now, but we appear to be stuck with having to come up with actual solutions for problems rather than hoping some stirrings of bliss in some mythical unified field will magically save the world. I convert for evidence, but I aint ever seen none for magic, nor even had it explained how it might work. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Published scientific studies show TM and advanced practices reduce war deaths and terrorism by more than 70%. (See the journals and statistics below in the middle column.) http://www.gusp.org/pdf/LetterToWorldLeaders.pdf http://www.gusp.org/pdf/LetterToWorldLeaders.pdf
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Good nuance. Good comparison. A Caliphate? So the TMO is a social system grounded in ancient literature? Yep, that's a fine comparison. I maintain that brain waves are real and affect one's environment. No one would argue that brain waves are real, but affecting the environment? Not even the TMO is claiming that. We can measure electrical activity in brains easily but you have to attach some sensitive electrodes directly to the scalp to do it. These signals are in the brain, if they could travel outside it would be easy to measure them because we already know the frequencies. But we can't and that isn't what they are claiming, the Marshy Effect is supposed to work on some sort of "unified field" that connects all things via our consciousness. Convenient that it seems to be an unmeasurable phenomena, or am I unreasonable in expecting a physical basis to claims for the physical world? Where we go beyond that, I don't know. I maintain that any body or an object with mass emits waves of some kind. Why on Earth would you want to maintain that? Where we go beyond that, I don't know. And yes, I believe celestial objects fall in to this somewhere. We are free to believe what we like. The TMO are trying to make money by claiming an actual physical effect. Still, I guess your response answers my question about who the letter was aimed at ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : All you have to do is read the comments at the bottom of the Youtube video to see what people think of it.A sane person would distance themselves from such *nonsense*. I wouldn't be caught dead endorsing yogic flying and the TMO to create world peace. Might pull for it secretly though, kind of like a Muslim secretly pulling for a Caliphate. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 11:34 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%! Any idea why they are bothering with this? It doesn't even mention yogic flying so if anyone takes it at face value and does some research, they'll instantly find this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ And that will be that. Anyone looking still further might wonder why we haven't done it anyway if it works. And then we can say; we have been doing it. And yagyas too! So why doesn't it work? because it just doesn't. There is no action at a distance. None of the research goes anywhere proving that it does. The crime rate in Washington didn't fall any further than it randomly fluctuates over the year anyway, even the editors of the journal that one was published in weren't impressed. And the Lebanon study was even more pointless, does anyone look back at that time and wonder why there was a few fewer deaths than expected when there people meditating in Jerusalem? Of course not, because there wasn't. You can't say that more people would have died if we weren't meditating, how are you going to prove it? There are lies, there are damn lies and there are statistics If this amazing "technology" caused world peace we'd already have it, aren't there 250,000 meditators in South America now? The crime rate in Washington would have dropped to nothing if yogic flying worked. The war in Lebanon would have stopped. Even if it's as good as the claimed unmeasurable effects, how would that help in Syria? 10% fewer beheadings than last month? Wouldn't that interfere with Saudi Arabian justice a bit? They won't like that. Let's face it, it's a nice idea - one of the best, but if they can't even explain how it might work by any known mechanism let alone demonstrate that it does it's dead in the water. Perhaps that's why this advert is heavy on promises and light on explanation? Fess up guys, if it worked the amount of meditators, yagyas and pundits all over the world would have had us all dancing in the streets by now, but we appear to be stuck with having to come up with actual solutions for problems rather than hoping some stirrings of bliss in some mythical unified field will magically save the world. I convert for evidence, but I aint ever seen none for magic, nor even had it explained how it might work. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Published scientific studies show TM and advanced practices reduce war deaths and terrorism by more than 70%. (See the journals and statistics below in the middle column.) http://www.gusp.org/pdf/LetterToWorldLeaders.pdf http://www.gusp.org/pdf/LetterToWorldLeaders.pdf
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Me, I'm not so sure. I think the combined thoughts of humans is a powerful part of the equation. I think changes in the earth affected the development of humans, and the development of the human intellect and reason had an effect on earth and it's landscape and fauna and flora. Don't ask me why, because I can't really answer that. But, I enjoy thinking about these things and looking at different theories. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : snip They think we may influence the earth but I think that might be a little pretentious. The entire human race is nothing compared with the mass of the planet. On 12/13/2015 01:42 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Good nuance. Good comparison. I maintain that brain waves are real and affect one's environment. Where we go beyond that, I don't know. I maintain that any body or an object with mass emits waves of some kind. Where we go beyond that, I don't know. And yes, I believe celestial objects fall in to this somewhere. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:mdixon.6569@... wrote : All you have to do is read the comments at the bottom of the Youtube video to see what people think of it.A sane person would distance themselves from such *nonsense*. I wouldn't be caught dead endorsing yogic flying and the TMO to create world peace. Might pull for it secretly though, kind of like a Muslim secretly pulling for a Caliphate. From: salyavin808 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 11:34 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%! Any idea why they are bothering with this? It doesn't even mention yogic flying so if anyone takes it at face value and does some research, they'll instantly find this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ And that will be that. Anyone looking still further might wonder why we haven't done it anyway if it works. And then we can say; we have been doing it. And yagyas too! So why doesn't it work? because it just doesn't. There is no action at a distance. None of the research goes anywhere proving that it does. The crime rate in Washington didn't fall any further than it randomly fluctuates over the year anyway, even the editors of the journal that one was published in weren't impressed. And the Lebanon study was even more pointless, does anyone look back at that time and wonder why there was a few fewer deaths than expected when there people meditating in Jerusalem? Of course not, because there wasn't. You can't say that more people would have died if we weren't meditating, how are you going to prove it? There are lies, there are damn lies and there are statistics If this amazing "technology" caused world peace we'd already have it, aren't there 250,000 meditators in South America now? The crime rate in Washington would have dropped to nothing if yogic flying worked. The war in Lebanon would have stopped. Even if it's as good as the claimed unmeasurable effects, how would that help in Syria? 10% fewer beheadings than last month? Wouldn't that interfere with Saudi Arabian justice a bit? They won't like that. Let's face it, it's a nice idea - one of the best, but if they can't even explain how it might work by any known mechanism let alone demonstrate that it does it's dead in the water. Perhaps that's why this advert is heavy on promises and light on explanation? Fess up guys, if it worked the amount of meditators, yagyas and pundits all over the world would have had us all dancing in the streets by now, but we appear to be stuck with having to come up with actual solutions for problems rather than hoping some stirrings of bliss in some mythical unified field will magically save the world. I convert for evidence, but I aint ever seen none for magic, nor even had it explained how it might work. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:dickmays@... wrote : Published scientific studies show TM and advanced practices reduce war deaths and terrorism by more than 70%. (See the journals and statistics below in the middle column.) http://www.gusp.org/pdf/LetterToWorldLeaders.pdfhttp://www.gusp.org/pdf/LetterToWorldLeaders.pdf http://www.gusp.org/pdf/LetterToWorldLeaders.pdf
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Quite interesting. This is how it starts. Some will be ahead of curve,and some, likely the great majority, will be behind the curve. But this is how it starts. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Or it's earth waves that influence are thinking and what we do. It could be why astrology may more or less or considering planets used as markers for earth/solar cycles that recur. Here's an interesting article about that: https://www.heartmath.org/research/global-coherence/ https://www.heartmath.org/research/global-coherence/ They think we may influence the earth but I think that might be a little pretentious. The entire human race is nothing compared with the mass of the planet. On 12/13/2015 01:42 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Good nuance. Good comparison. I maintain that brain waves are real and affect one's environment. Where we go beyond that, I don't know. I maintain that any body or an object with mass emits waves of some kind. Where we go beyond that, I don't know. And yes, I believe celestial objects fall in to this somewhere. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:mdixon.6569@... wrote : All you have to do is read the comments at the bottom of the Youtube video to see what people think of it.A sane person would distance themselves from such *nonsense*. I wouldn't be caught dead endorsing yogic flying and the TMO to create world peace. Might pull for it secretly though, kind of like a Muslim secretly pulling for a Caliphate. From: salyavin808 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 11:34 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%! Any idea why they are bothering with this? It doesn't even mention yogic flying so if anyone takes it at face value and does some research, they'll instantly find this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ And that will be that. Anyone looking still further might wonder why we haven't done it anyway if it works. And then we can say; we have been doing it. And yagyas too! So why doesn't it work? because it just doesn't. There is no action at a distance. None of the research goes anywhere proving that it does. The crime rate in Washington didn't fall any further than it randomly fluctuates over the year anyway, even the editors of the journal that one was published in weren't impressed. And the Lebanon study was even more pointless, does anyone look back at that time and wonder why there was a few fewer deaths than expected when there people meditating in Jerusalem? Of course not, because there wasn't. You can't say that more people would have died if we weren't meditating, how are you going to prove it? There are lies, there are damn lies and there are statistics If this amazing "technology" caused world peace we'd already have it, aren't there 250,000 meditators in South America now? The crime rate in Washington would have dropped to nothing if yogic flying worked. The war in Lebanon would have stopped. Even if it's as good as the claimed unmeasurable effects, how would that help in Syria? 10% fewer beheadings than last month? Wouldn't that interfere with Saudi Arabian justice a bit? They won't like that. Let's face it, it's a nice idea - one of the best, but if they can't even explain how it might work by any known mechanism let alone demonstrate that it does it's dead in the water. Perhaps that's why this advert is heavy on promises and light on explanation? Fess up guys, if it worked the amount of meditators, yagyas and pundits all over the world would have had us all dancing in the streets by now, but we appear to be stuck with having to come up with actual solutions for problems rather than hoping some stirrings of bliss in some mythical unified field will magically save the world. I convert for evidence, but I aint ever seen none for magic, nor even had it explained how it might work. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:dickmays@... wrote : Published scientific studies show TM and advanced practices reduce war deaths and terrorism by more than 70%. (See the journals and statistics below in the middle column.) http://www.gusp.org/pdf/LetterToWorldLeaders.pdfhttp://www.gusp.org/pdf/LetterToWorldLeaders.pdf http://www.gusp.org/pdf/LetterToWorldLeaders.pdf
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!
Or it's earth waves that influence are thinking and what we do. It could be why astrology may more or less or considering planets used as markers for earth/solar cycles that recur. Here's an interesting article about that: https://www.heartmath.org/research/global-coherence/ They think we may influence the earth but I think that might be a little pretentious. The entire human race is nothing compared with the mass of the planet. On 12/13/2015 01:42 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Good nuance. Good comparison. I maintain that brain waves are real and affect one's environment. Where we go beyond that, I don't know. I maintain that any body or an object with mass emits waves of some kind. Where we go beyond that, I don't know. And yes, I believe celestial objects fall in to this somewhere. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : All you have to do is read the comments at the bottom of the Youtube video to see what people think of it.A sane person would distance themselves from such *nonsense*. I wouldn't be caught dead endorsing yogic flying and the TMO to create world peace. Might pull for it secretly though, kind of like a Muslim secretly pulling for a Caliphate. *From:* salyavin808 *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, December 13, 2015 11:34 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%! Any idea why they are bothering with this? It doesn't even mention yogic flying so if anyone takes it at face value and does some research, they'll instantly find this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ And that will be that. Anyone looking still further might wonder why we haven't done it anyway if it works. And then we can say; we havebeen doing it. And yagyas too! So why doesn't it work? because it just doesn't. There is no action at a distance. None of the research goes anywhere proving that it does. The crime rate in Washington didn't fall any further than it randomly fluctuates over the year anyway, even the editors of the journal that one was published in weren't impressed. And the Lebanon study was even more pointless, does anyone look back at that time and wonder why there was a few fewer deaths than expected when there people meditating in Jerusalem? Of course not, because there wasn't. You can't say that more people would have died if we weren't meditating, how are you going to prove it? There are lies, there are damn lies and there are statistics If this amazing "technology" caused world peace we'd already have it, aren't there 250,000 meditators in South America now? The crime rate in Washington would have dropped to nothing if yogic flying worked. The war in Lebanon would have stopped. Even if it's as good as the claimed unmeasurable effects, how would that help in Syria? 10% fewer beheadings than last month? Wouldn't that interfere with Saudi Arabian justice a bit? They won't like that. Let's face it, it's a nice idea - one of the best, but if they can't even explain how it might work by any known mechanism let alone demonstrate that it does it's dead in the water. Perhaps that's why this advert is heavy on promises and light on explanation? Fess up guys, if it worked the amount of meditators, yagyas and pundits all over the world would have had us all dancing in the streets by now, but we appear to be stuck with having to come up with actual solutions for problems rather than hoping some stirrings of bliss in some mythical unified field will magically save the world. I convert for evidence, but I aint ever seen none for magic, nor even had it explained how it might work. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Published scientific studies show TM and advanced practices reduce war deaths and terrorism by more than 70%. (See the journals and statistics below in the middle column.) http://www.gusp.org/pdf/LetterToWorldLeaders.pdf page1image256
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!
Good nuance. Good comparison. I maintain that brain waves are real and affect one's environment. Where we go beyond that, I don't know. I maintain that any body or an object with mass emits waves of some kind. Where we go beyond that, I don't know. And yes, I believe celestial objects fall in to this somewhere. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : All you have to do is read the comments at the bottom of the Youtube video to see what people think of it.A sane person would distance themselves from such *nonsense*. I wouldn't be caught dead endorsing yogic flying and the TMO to create world peace. Might pull for it secretly though, kind of like a Muslim secretly pulling for a Caliphate. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 11:34 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%! Any idea why they are bothering with this? It doesn't even mention yogic flying so if anyone takes it at face value and does some research, they'll instantly find this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ And that will be that. Anyone looking still further might wonder why we haven't done it anyway if it works. And then we can say; we have been doing it. And yagyas too! So why doesn't it work? because it just doesn't. There is no action at a distance. None of the research goes anywhere proving that it does. The crime rate in Washington didn't fall any further than it randomly fluctuates over the year anyway, even the editors of the journal that one was published in weren't impressed. And the Lebanon study was even more pointless, does anyone look back at that time and wonder why there was a few fewer deaths than expected when there people meditating in Jerusalem? Of course not, because there wasn't. You can't say that more people would have died if we weren't meditating, how are you going to prove it? There are lies, there are damn lies and there are statistics If this amazing "technology" caused world peace we'd already have it, aren't there 250,000 meditators in South America now? The crime rate in Washington would have dropped to nothing if yogic flying worked. The war in Lebanon would have stopped. Even if it's as good as the claimed unmeasurable effects, how would that help in Syria? 10% fewer beheadings than last month? Wouldn't that interfere with Saudi Arabian justice a bit? They won't like that. Let's face it, it's a nice idea - one of the best, but if they can't even explain how it might work by any known mechanism let alone demonstrate that it does it's dead in the water. Perhaps that's why this advert is heavy on promises and light on explanation? Fess up guys, if it worked the amount of meditators, yagyas and pundits all over the world would have had us all dancing in the streets by now, but we appear to be stuck with having to come up with actual solutions for problems rather than hoping some stirrings of bliss in some mythical unified field will magically save the world. I convert for evidence, but I aint ever seen none for magic, nor even had it explained how it might work. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Published scientific studies show TM and advanced practices reduce war deaths and terrorism by more than 70%. (See the journals and statistics below in the middle column.) http://www.gusp.org/pdf/LetterToWorldLeaders.pdf http://www.gusp.org/pdf/LetterToWorldLeaders.pdf
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All you have to do is read the comments at the bottom of the Youtube video to
see what people think of it.A sane person would distance themselves from such
*nonsense*. I wouldn't be caught dead endorsing yogic flying and the TMO to
create world peace. Might pull for it secretly though, kind of like a Muslim
secretly pulling for a Caliphate.
From: salyavin808
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 11:34 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths:
TM found to reduce them by 70%!
Any idea why they are bothering with this? It doesn't even mention yogic flying
so if anyone takes it at face value and does some research, they'll instantly
find this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ
And that will be that.
Anyone looking still further might wonder why we haven't done it anyway if it
works. And then we can say; we have been doing it. And yagyas too!
So why doesn't it work? because it just doesn't. There is no action at a
distance. None of the research goes anywhere proving that it does. The crime
rate in Washington didn't fall any further than it randomly fluctuates over the
year anyway, even the editors of the journal that one was published in weren't
impressed.
And the Lebanon study was even more pointless, does anyone look back at that
time and wonder why there was a few fewer deaths than expected when there
people meditating in Jerusalem? Of course not, because there wasn't. You can't
say that more people would have died if we weren't meditating, how are you
going to prove it? There are lies, there are damn lies and there are statistics
If this amazing "technology" caused world peace we'd already have it, aren't
there 250,000 meditators in South America now? The crime rate in Washington
would have dropped to nothing if yogic flying worked. The war in Lebanon would
have stopped. Even if it's as good as the claimed unmeasurable effects, how
would that help in Syria? 10% fewer beheadings than last month? Wouldn't that
interfere with Saudi Arabian justice a bit? They won't like that.
Let's face it, it's a nice idea - one of the best, but if they can't even
explain how it might work by any known mechanism let alone demonstrate that it
does it's dead in the water. Perhaps that's why this advert is heavy on
promises and light on explanation?
Fess up guys, if it worked the amount of meditators, yagyas and pundits all
over the world would have had us all dancing in the streets by now, but we
appear to be stuck with having to come up with actual solutions for problems
rather than hoping some stirrings of bliss in some mythical unified field will
magically save the world.
I convert for evidence, but I aint ever seen none for magic, nor even had it
explained how it might work.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Published scientific studies show TM and advanced practices reduce war deaths
and terrorism by more than 70%. (See the journals and statistics below in the
middle column.)
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!
Any idea why they are bothering with this? It doesn't even mention yogic flying so if anyone takes it at face value and does some research, they'll instantly find this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ And that will be that. Anyone looking still further might wonder why we haven't done it anyway if it works. And then we can say; we have been doing it. And yagyas too! So why doesn't it work? because it just doesn't. There is no action at a distance. None of the research goes anywhere proving that it does. The crime rate in Washington didn't fall any further than it randomly fluctuates over the year anyway, even the editors of the journal that one was published in weren't impressed. And the Lebanon study was even more pointless, does anyone look back at that time and wonder why there was a few fewer deaths than expected when there people meditating in Jerusalem? Of course not, because there wasn't. You can't say that more people would have died if we weren't meditating, how are you going to prove it? There are lies, there are damn lies and there are statistics If this amazing "technology" caused world peace we'd already have it, aren't there 250,000 meditators in South America now? The crime rate in Washington would have dropped to nothing if yogic flying worked. The war in Lebanon would have stopped. Even if it's as good as the claimed unmeasurable effects, how would that help in Syria? 10% fewer beheadings than last month? Wouldn't that interfere with Saudi Arabian justice a bit? They won't like that. Let's face it, it's a nice idea - one of the best, but if they can't even explain how it might work by any known mechanism let alone demonstrate that it does it's dead in the water. Perhaps that's why this advert is heavy on promises and light on explanation? Fess up guys, if it worked the amount of meditators, yagyas and pundits all over the world would have had us all dancing in the streets by now, but we appear to be stuck with having to come up with actual solutions for problems rather than hoping some stirrings of bliss in some mythical unified field will magically save the world. I convert for evidence, but I aint ever seen none for magic, nor even had it explained how it might work. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Published scientific studies show TM and advanced practices reduce war deaths and terrorism by more than 70%. (See the journals and statistics below in the middle column.) http://www.gusp.org/pdf/LetterToWorldLeaders.pdf http://www.gusp.org/pdf/LetterToWorldLeaders.pdf
