Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?

[Gloria Lane]

Hey Tonya, I might try some Azithromycin.  It's become my latest  
discovery to try for the unknown. I've used it mostly in cats/kittens  
with problem eyes.  I've read that some abx are said to affect Herpes,  
because of the relationship between the two amino acids lysine and  
arginine.  The zithro is more expensive, so that might be a  
deterrent.  IT's liquid, as are amoxi and clinidamycin, so you have to  
be able to squirt it in the mouth.

Good luck,

Gloria


On Nov 2, 2008, at 7:49 PM, catatonya wrote:

> thanks. maybe he's just gaining weight from the canned food.  he's  
> been exposed to no new cats and has been breathing funny for at  
> least a year now... we've done antibiotics twice. i just don't  
> know...
>  t
>
> Sally Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  Now this was many years ago like 1972 when my Bud cat got sick. I  
> was in
> college and my dad took hin to the vet who dx'd FIP. Now I know  
> there were
> not tests done it was based on observation and he did not respond to
> antibiotics. Anyway the weekend I was to come home he left and was  
> never
> seen again he was 10. I do not know about the tummy part I do know  
> he was
> losing weight.
>
> Sally
>
>
> On 11/2/08, catatonya wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I know many of you have had experience with fip. My cat sneaker has
>> chronic herpes (vet thinks that's what it is.) he has difficulty  
>> breathing,
>> but his lungs are clear. We've medicated him to no avail. And he is
>> semiferal and hard to pill, much less use a nebulizer or anything.  
>> Anyway,
>> I've noticed he seems to have gained weight in his belly. Would a  
>> cat that
>> is over 10 years old harbor fip all that time? Wouldn't he act  
>> sicker if
>> that's what it was? I've got a crf cat so I've been feeding more wet
>> food. So I guess it could just be weight gain.. but it's a FAT
>> tummy. Am I being paranoid. When he breathes through his nose it  
>> sounds
>> like he has a cold. There is no sneezing and he has no eye  
>> discharge or
>> anything.
>> thanks in advance for any ideas.
>> tonya
>>
>>
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Re: [Felvtalk] fungal infections? and What to feed?

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Thanks, I didn't know that, about the licking.  I've also used Zantac  
for my CRF kitties, about 1/4 tablet.

Gloria



On Nov 8, 2008, at 8:29 AM, Sally Davis wrote:

> Hi Belinda
>
> Thanks for the answer. You may be right with my Daisy. She has  
> always had
> stomach issues occassional vomiting after eating. Undigested food
>
>
> Sally
>
> On 11/7/08, Belinda Sauro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>   Licking before, during or after eating usually means acid tummy,
>> pepcid AC will help with that, CRF kitties commonly have this and get
>> pepcid AC (regular strength only, not maximum strength).  They  
>> usually
>> start out with a 1/4 pill every other day and work up to a daily  
>> does if
>> that isn't enough.  Too  much pepcid will also cause tummy upset so  
>> only
>> use the minimum amount required to take care of the problem.
>>
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Re: [Felvtalk] New - how to preserve the health of Healthy FELV+ kittens

[Gloria Lane]

I give interferon alpha once daily till they are past 3 or 4 yrs old,  
to boost the immune system.


Gloria


On Dec 23, 2008, at 7:14 AM, patricia.a.elk...@gsk.com wrote:


I have been fostering for a big city shelter and although I "almost"
always tested new cats
when they came to me and kittens before they were introduced into the
general herd, I ended
up this year with 4 FELV+ kittens less than 1 year old.  Three of  
these

tested negative when they
came to me and the fourth and youngest was born at my house from a
pregnant mom that also
tested negative.

I am adopting all of these guys now.  I am working my way through  
reading

the archives of this list, but is there a consensus
on best practice for treating kittens and cats while they are still
healthy before they experience problems
related to FELV to keep them as healthy as possible?

Thanks!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

[Gloria Lane]

Well clipping the ear is for ferals, so not for domestics that folks are taking 
constant care of. Regular vets prob don't deal w that much. There are only 
certain vets that we can take ferals to, others won't deal with them.

Gloria

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On Aug 13, 2011, at 7:08 AM, "Diane Rosenfeldt"  wrote:

> Sounds like a good start! Are you doing the eye contact stuff -- not
> staring, doing the "slow blink" etc.? The future enclosure sounds like a
> great idea.
> 
> Diane R.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 12:22 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma
> 
> Thanks, Gloria.
> I guess "regular" vets don't clip the ear because people would freak out
> about how their cat looks.  Forgotten Felines, our local TNR organization
> (filled with Angels, by the way) did clip her ear.
> She's now on my porch (we're having a cool summer, oddly enough) and seems
> okay.  I am beginning to really like her.  Tonight I sat out in the
> beautiful, nearly full moon evening, drinking a beer and singing to her (I
> make up a song for all my cats -- this one was about how Hemy had a hard
> life but came through alright anyway and now things are better).  I'll feel
> better is she won't "shun" me -- right now she turns her back on me or
> hisses, letting me know just how mad she is about this whole thing.  Poor
> darling!  Tonight I tried to buy her love with canned food.  We'll see how
> that goes!
> ~B.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane
> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 8:19 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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> 
> If you put the kitty in a cage or secure porch or outbuilding for a couple
> of weeks, she will learn where she gets her food, where home is, and
> hopefully stay around.  Course this depends on your having the right
> weather, or a porch with the right temperature and protection, etc.
> 
> You might also be able to find someone who takes outdoor cats, who will do
> the same thing, to keep kitty put up for a while so that she learns where
> home is. I gather they didn't "eartip" to show that kitty was altered,
> unfortunately.
> 
> Good luck with your kitty -
> 
> Gloria
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Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt

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I love it! Hood for you.  Can't believe shed leave horses in the sun and heat.

Gloria

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On Aug 23, 2011, at 9:48 PM, Marcia Baronda  wrote:

> Really.eat in the truck.
> 
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 6:30 PM, katskat1  wrote:
> I will be 63 next month and I have been telling people off about
> animals for several years now.
> 
> Just did it yesterday to a woman who took her 4H'rs into McDonalds for
> a relaxed, air-conditioned treat while FIVE horses sat in direct sun
> in an enclosed trailer.  One of the horses was neighing and kicking so
> hard the trailer was rocking.  I went inside and found her, told her
> one of the horses was distressed and I felt she shouldn't have left
> them in the direct sun while they trooped inside to eat.  She told me
> she was trying to get the girls out but they weren't finished eating
> yet.  I told her that is why it is called fast food.  She could order
> the food and they can eat in the truck.  Suffer - your horses are!
> 
> She seemed to be a bit miffed at me!  Said very un-4H-like words!
> 
> Sigh.
> 
> Tee hee.
> 
> Wonder what I'll be like at 80?
> 
> kat
> 
> On 8/23/11, Lorrie  wrote:
> > On 08-23, Marcia Baronda wrote:
> >>You  know  what?  I'm getting that way too!  It must be getting older.
> >>Ya  know,  I know this sounds really crazy, but I kind of like getting
> >>older, there ARE perks.
> >
> > Yes, that's one of the few good things about getting old!
> > I'm 78 now and I tell people exactly what I think of them
> > if they are irresponsible or unkind to animals.
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt

[Gloria Lane]

Sounds good to me! 

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On Aug 24, 2011, at 10:47 AM, Marcia Baronda  wrote:

> Terri
>  
> I know this sounds crazy, but 20 years ago, after watching City Slickers 
> where Billy Crystal saved Norman the calf from the rapids, I turned to my 
> husband and said I am never eating beef again. And I never have. Chicken pork 
> and fish followed a few months later. I certainly have learned newer ways to 
> cook! I am a big fan of Temple Grandin...have two of her books. She is an 
> amazing woman. it was from one of her books that I larned that cats can't 
> calm down as fast as dogs because of their frontal lobes. But I still foret 
> that sometimes and end up getting scratched or bit. That's OK.
> Fletch is exceptionally grouchy today. He swatted at one of the other cats 
> today and continually growls at me(-;  I asked my vet about retesting him and 
> she said it's not necessary since he's already cliically ill. I know after 
> reading everything all of you have posted that you don't agree. that is why I 
> am here, for outside help from people that have years of experience with 
> this. I will have him retested of course. Do you think his grouchiness is 
> from not feeling well, or could he have some neurological issues? I know that 
> he has totally lost his sight and I'm sure that is really scary to him, poor 
> little guy.He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that 
> indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try some prednisone. What 
> are you opinions??
>  
> Take care everyone
> Marcia
> 
> On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 7:14 AM, Terri Brown  wrote:
> I agree, Marcia -- livestock should be protected.  I understand that they are 
> meant for food for people, but they still deserve respect.  This is why I am 
> such a fan of Temple Grandin.  She got it right.
>  
> I find myself more and more unable to eat beef lately..because of the 
> cruelty they get like this.  I wish ALL beef cattle were humanely treated.  
> It is a crying shame that in 2011, we are still so barbaric in our treatment 
> of cattle.  There are more humane ways to slaughter them.
>  
> My 2 cents.
>  
> =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 
> furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^=
> - Original Message -
> From: Marcia Baronda
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt
> 
> tsk tsk to her for those un 4H words and GOOD FOR YOU for speaking for the 
> horses! On the local news one day they showed a cattle truck that had 
> overturned on the turnpike in Topeka. They wer bulldozing those cattle off 
> the road. They were crying and a lot of them had been severely injured. I was 
> so Pd that I could not sit down as I called the station and told them 
> what I thought. they ask if I was mad that they showed that. I said no, I was 
> glad I got to see what goes on, what happens to animals who are hurt. they 
> are bulldozed. I could not believe my eyes. than I promptly e=mailed KDOT and 
> told them what I thought. Apparently I wasn't the only one. There was an 
> apology on the newscast that night and a promise to have a veterinarian 
> present if it happened again. Livestock does not fall under the Animal 
> welfare Act, which is a crying shame.
> 
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 6:30 PM, katskat1  wrote:
> I will be 63 next month and I have been telling people off about
> animals for several years now.
> 
> Just did it yesterday to a woman who took her 4H'rs into McDonalds for
> a relaxed, air-conditioned treat while FIVE horses sat in direct sun
> in an enclosed trailer.  One of the horses was neighing and kicking so
> hard the trailer was rocking.  I went inside and found her, told her
> one of the horses was distressed and I felt she shouldn't have left
> them in the direct sun while they trooped inside to eat.  She told me
> she was trying to get the girls out but they weren't finished eating
> yet.  I told her that is why it is called fast food.  She could order
> the food and they can eat in the truck.  Suffer - your horses are!
> 
> She seemed to be a bit miffed at me!  Said very un-4H-like words!
> 
> Sigh.
> 
> Tee hee.
> 
> Wonder what I'll be like at 80?
> 
> kat
> 
> On 8/23/11, Lorrie  wrote:
> > On 08-23, Marcia Baronda wrote:
> >>You  know  what?  I'm getting that way too!  It must be getting older.
> >>Ya  know,  I know this sounds really crazy, but I kind of like getting
> >>older, there ARE perks.
> >
> > Yes, that's one of the few good things about getting old!
> > I'm 78 now and I tell people exactly what I think of them
> > if they are irresponsible or unkind to animals.
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations

[Gloria Lane]

That's pretty much why I do...

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On Aug 26, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Lorrie  wrote:

> It's very bad practice to vaccinate cats while they are having
> surgery, but vets do it, so now I write out instructions not to
> vaccinate, and put it on the cat's carrier when I bring them for
> surgery.  I give my cats their PCRC, way before they have surgery,
> but Rabies vaccinations are the law here, and only vets can give the
> injections.  Once they are vaccinated I do not repeat vaccinations
> annually, and I just ignore the postcards I get saying it's time to
> vaccinate again.
> 
> Lorrie
> 
> On 08-26, Natalie wrote:
>>   Anyone  who  uses Petsmart's veterinary plan should be aware that they
>>   pump  every  possible  vaccine  into  cats...it  is  most important to
>>   specify  in the beginning which vaccines you want and especially which
>>   ones you do NOT want.  My friend uses that plan because it does save a
>>   lot  of  moneyshe  brought  her  two  cats  in,  and  she  assumed
>>   incorrectly  that  they  would  get  the same vaccines as the ones she
>>   specified  at  the  last  time, NOT!  They got FeLV/FIV, God-know what
>>   elseshe  was  furious!   She  always tells them ahead of time that
>>   they are strictly indoor cats!
>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

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Problem is declawing is so harmful to adult cats- painful, hard to adjust to, 
it can ruin them. Not right for kittens, but for adults it's just mean, 
torturous.  Just not a good thing to do. There are places that allow cats w 
claws but folks may not think bout that till the last thing. But then grandma 
or whoever dies or goes to an Alzheimer's facility and then who wants a cat 
ruined by declaw. 

Gloria

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On Aug 26, 2011, at 7:25 PM, Kelley Saveika  wrote:

> It wouldn't be you going without the cat, it would be the cat going without 
> you.  I have seen cats given up by their owners grieve and mourn themselves 
> TO DEATH.  I've seen cats given away by their owners be fine.  I've seen cats 
> who have been declawed suffer.  I have seen cats who have been declawed do 
> absolutely fine.  It isn't all as easy as it looks sometimes.
> 
> I have not had a cat declawed but I did have one who had to have a mastectomy 
> and who I am sure would have been in horrible pain had it not been for the 
> oral pain meds the vet prescribed.  I would hope any vet doing declaw surgery 
> would provide pain meds.
> 
> At any rate I'm 44 so hopefully it would be a while before I  went into a 
> nursing home.
> 
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Natalie  wrote:
> I would seriously consider declawing very, very seriously– it is the most 
> devastating thing for a cat.  Knowing what I do, I would be more heartbroken 
> doing it to a beloved cat than being without the cat, trust me.  I wonder how 
> a cat would feel if
> 
> he/she knew that it had a choice between missing the owner or having their 
> paws mutilated?  According to Dr. Nicholas Doddman, who wrote The Cat that 
> Cried for Help, after declawing surgery, cats feel such extreme pain that 
> they either climb the walls of the cage or sit completely morose and cowering 
> in the corner, something that their owners will never see.  I have a copy of 
> an article written for NY Times Magazine a few years ago, where a woman 
> writes about declawing her older cat because her mother’s oriental rug was 
> being scratched up.  It is one of my hand-out’s to adopters – the story is 
> heartbreaking, and very typical.  After the hurricane is over, I will scan it 
> and post it.  It is probably the best I’ve read, without going into the gory 
> details of declawing.
> 
> Natalie
> 
>  
> 
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 7:22 PM
> 
> 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
>  
> 
> Sorry!  This is a 62 email thread in gmail.  I don't know how your email 
> program organizes stuff.  Anyway I did not look at the date.
> 
> I've seen cats (especially senior cats) mourn their owners literally to death 
> after being given away, and honestly in that case I'd rather declaw them.  
> Hopefully I will not need to make that choice. 
> 
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Natalie  wrote:
> 
> OMG – you are responding to a post from March……I thought that I was going 
> crazy and somehow missed a whole thread of talking about declawing, NOW!
> 
>  
> 
> There are also some apartments that allow cats ONLY if they are declawed…I 
> guess they prefer taking their chances of those cats peeing everywhere 
> instead of possibly scratching something, and it would most likely be the 
> tenants’ own furniture!
> 
>  
> 
> I would rather give my cat away than declaw it – especially when it’s an 
> older cat – it’s so much harder on them (not that it isn’t on young(er) cats).
> 
>  
> 
> There needs to be a lot of education on declawing and what the 
> psychological/emotional and physical effects can take be.  We have had a few 
> abandoned declawed cats, and I have witnessed almost all of them…..but all 
> the damage had already been done, and what was I to do – throw them out or 
> kill them?  I found some homes that understood the ramifications and dealt 
> with the problems as well as they could.
> 
>  
> 
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 6:45 PM
> 
> 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
> 
>  
> 
> Because if the owner has to go into the nursing home and is fortunate enough 
> to find one where they can take their cat, the nursing home is likely to 
> require declawing.
> 
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Natalie  wrote:
> 
> That is true, but I don't understand why an old person can't have a cat 

Re: [Felvtalk] reply

[Gloria Lane]

It's certainly personal  choice, I certainly understand.  Like I say, I've 
mixed for several years and never had problems. I mix w FIV cats too. FIV cats 
seem to have some problems with uri and gingivitis, never had one get Felv. I 
think vets don't have much experience w FIV or Felv cats except for the sick 
ones that come in and book learning, and the party line is to isolate Felv cats 
 so i understand. But I still find varying opinions among vets some more 
flexible than others.

Gloria

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On Sep 7, 2011, at 4:50 PM, dot winkler  wrote:

> Hi - I have been reading a lot of people saying that they have been mixing 
> the cats.  But I called my vet and he again said that it is risky.  There is 
> still a risk and chance the others could get it.  And they may not pull out 
> of it like my cat Chloe FELV) did during the first fever.  I wouldn't want my 
> other cat, Kitty to come down with it.  The other male cat I have, Lion, has 
> AIDS (FIV).  I think he would be more susceptible of getting it even though 
> he's been boostered with the Leukemia booster.
> I would like to adopt Chloe out (FELV) also because the trio don't get along. 
>  They only get along in two's.  In other words, Chloe and Lion get along.  
> But when you put Kitty into the mix, they become territorial.  Vice versa.  
> Kitty now gets along with Lion since Chloe has been out of the picture.  I 
> would love to find Chloe a home with one other feline leukemia cat so she can 
> have a buddy.  I am still trying.  
> But I'm open to ideas and input.  Dotty
> 
> From: Terri Brown 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 4:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] REPLY FROM DOT
> 
> Dot,  if your other cats are current on vaccinations and are negative, I see 
> no reason why you shouldn't mix them.  Like I've said before, I've mixed mine 
> in the past and never have I had a negative become infected.
>  
> My 2 cents.
>  
> =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 
> furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^=
> - Original Message -
> From: dot winkler
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] REPLY FROM DOT
> 
> Hi April - My vet didn't know anything about the 5 stages of the disease  
> Can you believe this.  O.K.  So, what do you know about the 5 stages?  What 
> does it mean?  I think I heard that if your cat can make it through all five 
> stages, then they have developed an immunity to the disease.  Anyway, how is 
> it keeping your cat apart from the others?  My cat is so lonely.  It breaks 
> my heart.  She wants to play with the others. Esp the male cat who she knows 
> from the clan where i rescued the two of them.  I really would love to adopt 
> her out.  Just having a hard time finding someone.  P.S. - I like the name 
> Spicy!  It is cute.  Dot
> 
> From: April Johnson 
> To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 2:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV
> 
> Hi Dot,
>  
> This is all new to me too.  I do have other cats at home, Spicy lives in a 
> bedroom by herself.  She has two windows to look out of, a cat tree and a 
> sofa.  Spicy has had no signs of the illness.  So I didn't know she had it.  
> I adopted her the first weekend in June and took her to the vet a week later. 
>  The receptionist at my vets was the one that stressed getting the test done 
> because she knew that the shelter I adopted her from didn't test, I had no 
> idea.  So for a week she was with my other cats.  I just looked it up there 
> are 6 stages of FELV.  Spicy is in stage 5. 
> From: dot winkler 
> To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 2:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV
> 
> Hi April - I just read your mail.  My cat, Chloe, female one year old, pretty 
> gray/black/caramel tabby, is also positive.  I have known since June when she 
> had a fever.  She has stabilized and is doing so well now.  Very healthy and 
> playful.  She is a little "squirt", i call her.  I have been looking for a 
> home for her since I have two other negative cats and have to keep them 
> separated.  She is so cute.  i hated to just put her down so figured i would 
> give it a shot to see if i could adopt her.  Do you have other cats at home? 
> How is your cat doing now?  You said it's in her bone marrow.  Are there 
> different stages?  I am not sure totally about the disease as this is the 
> first cat I have ever had in 30 years that has the 

Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch

[Gloria Lane]

So sorry Marcia, our babies who have passed on will meet him on the bridge to 
guide him on his way. My Mr Zblack Kitty,dear Calawalla Banana Booboo, Mittens, 
and more...blessings

Gloria 

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> I'm so sorry! I've been reading your thread. Sad to hear he didn't make :-(
> RIP Fletch
> 
> On Sep 7, 2011 11:02 PM, "Marcia Baronda"  wrote:
> > Hi everyone
> > 
> > Very sad night, fletch got really bad, started crying and having a hard 
> > time breathing. I called the vet and asked that he be put to sleep. Well, 
> > we didn't make it, Fletch died on the way there. I feel so bad that he had 
> > to suffer like that. But he no longer will. He was just a few weeks over a 
> > year old. He was loved so very much during his short life.
> > 
> > Thanks for all your help
> > Marcia
> > 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Sadly, Black Tom crossed the rainbow bridge last week

[Gloria Lane]

I'm so sorry Kelley, as u know it's so hard to lose our sweet kitties. 
Blessings. 

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On Sep 7, 2011, at 11:03 PM,  wrote:

> When you take the time to help, never blame yourself for what you did or did 
> not do.  You tried and that is morethan others did.  You gave love.
>  Bonnie Hogue  wrote: 
>> Kelley
>> 
>> So sorry for the loss of Black Tom.  Each cat is special and their life
>> counts.  It is so difficult to tell when to intervene sometimes.  I hope his
>> helper comes to see it is not her fault, and to appreciate the times they
>> spent together.
>> 
>> Peace.
>> 
>> ~Bonnie
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
>> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 7:26 AM
>> To: felvtalk
>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Sadly, Black Tom crossed the rainbow bridge last week
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> His feeder is devastated.  I am sure she blames herself for not taking him
>> to the vet sooner.  Thanks very much to those of you who offered him
>> sanctuary.  I can always depend on this list for help.
>> 
>> Kelley
>> 
>> -- 
>> 
>> Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
>> 
>> http://www.rescuties.org  
>> 
>> Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life!
>> 
>> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20
>> 
>> http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*
>> 
>> Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties!
>> http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Please help Trooper!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> "And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they
>> can't complain about it, that they can't fight for the animals, that they
>> should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue."
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> - Nathan Winograd
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinating for FIV

[Gloria Lane]

Right, the FIV vac makes them test positive for FIV. And once their neutered 
they are not going to fight and give deep bite wounds so no danger of 
transmitting. Worthless vaccination just makes money for the company and the 
vet.

Gloria

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> I have always heard not to vaccinate for FIV, only FelV.
> Not only is the FIV vaccination questionable, but the cat will
> forever test positive for FIV just because of the vaccination.
> 
> 
> On 09-07, katskat1 wrote:
>> Again, a large number of the people posting on this site MIX positives
>> and negatives with the following caveat:
>> 
>> 1. Negatives MUST be fully vaccinated incl:  FIV and FeLV
>> 2. After initial vaccination in negative adults there should be a
>> waiting period before mixing.  I think it is 1 month or so but others
>> can confirm the correct incubation for the disease.
>> 3.  After initial AND boosters for younger cats/kittens I wait until
>> the younger cat is 2 - 3 months past the final vaccination and or at
>> least 6 - 7 months old before mixing.
>> 4.  I vaccinate the positive cats for all BUT FeLV and FIV (whichever
>> they are positive for)
>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-)

[Gloria Lane]

I'm kindly pondering how to do that. Any web sites that address that I wonder?

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On Sep 8, 2011, at 8:00 AM, MaiMaiPG  wrote:

> I've provided for the care of my critters (dogs and cats and whatever may 
> show up) in my will.  Everything is in trust to be used for their care until 
> they all leave this world.
> On Sep 8, 2011, at 6:40 AM, Lorrie wrote:
> 
>> On 09-07, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
>> 
>>> It was the same with my Annie.  When her owner who was in hospice
>>> learned that they had found her a good home, she passed the next
>>> day.  She knew her baby was safe so she could go.  If I did not have
>>> a safe haven for my babies to go to, I guess I wuld just have to
>>> NOT die.  If I did not know thy would be secure and safe, I would
>>> not rest in peace.  I think I would be like Annie's owner was.  If
>>> you cannot find her a good home, put her to sleep.  Any port in a
>>> storm is not a good port, it has to be safe and secure.
>> 
>> 
>> I am going to have to live forever!!   I have 15 cats and my family
>> (three grown kids) can each take two, but I'm not able to find anyone
>> to take the rest of my cats.  I've been on google for days searching
>> out sanctuaries in the east, and so far all are FULL.  I'll keep
>> trying, but I'm getting so discouraged.  These cats were all rescued
>> kitties and they've been thru a lot before I found them. I love them
>> very much and I'm worried sick about what will become of them. I have
>> money for their care, but no one has offered to take one.  I'm now 78
>> and my husband is almost 90.  I need to find homes, and I am offering
>> $1,000 per cat.  Do any of you have any ideas what I can do?
>> 
>> Lorrie in eastern WV almost to the Maryland border
>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] reply

[Gloria Lane]

Just FYI, Fip is not contagious. Its genetic in related to another virus. 
There's a specific type (s) of corona virus that can mutaTe into FIP in 
particular due to stress conditions such as introduction into a new home. 

As I understand it once it mutates into FIP  it's not contagious but I won't 
swear to that. If a cat doesn't have the right gene, they won't get FIP anyhow. 
And of course stress is an important factor.  There's good research going on re 
FIP. 

Gloria

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On Sep 8, 2011, at 9:26 AM, April Johnson  wrote:

> I'm sorry but I just don't feel comfortable with mixing her with my other 
> cats.  All my other cats are negative to FIV and FELV but have other health 
> issues.  I also have several older cats.  I've already had FIP introduced in 
> my house, when I adopted a cat from a groomer.  We had no idea she had it 
> until, she stopped eating and had to be hospitalized.  The vet did everything 
> to get her to eat but nothing worked and we had to say good bye.  Knock on 
> wood no one else has ever showed signs.  My Spicy has a home with me for 
> life, a pet in my home is family.  I'm just undecided on whether to get her a 
> friend or not.  April 
> From: "dlg...@windstream.net" 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 11:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] reply
> 
> I have been mixig felv pos and neg since 2008 and no problems yet.  Everyone 
> passed their physical with flying colors this year.  Agai, I think giving 
> quality food, love, a stable home and lots of exercise and clean water (I use 
> fountains) is the key.  This way, thei immune systems are operating at peak 
> and bette able to resist infections.
> 
> 
>  Gloria Lane  wrote: 
> > It's certainly personal  choice, I certainly understand.  Like I say, I've 
> > mixed for several years and never had problems. I mix w FIV cats too. FIV 
> > cats seem to have some problems with uri and gingivitis, never had one get 
> > Felv. I think vets don't have much experience w FIV or Felv cats except for 
> > the sick ones that come in and book learning, and the party line is to 
> > isolate Felv cats  so i understand. But I still find varying opinions among 
> > vets some more flexible than others.
> > 
> > Gloria
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> > On Sep 7, 2011, at 4:50 PM, dot winkler  wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi - I have been reading a lot of people saying that they have been 
> > > mixing the cats.  But I called my vet and he again said that it is risky. 
> > >  There is still a risk and chance the others could get it.  And they may 
> > > not pull out of it like my cat Chloe FELV) did during the first fever.  I 
> > > wouldn't want my other cat, Kitty to come down with it.  The other male 
> > > cat I have, Lion, has AIDS (FIV).  I think he would be more susceptible 
> > > of getting it even though he's been boostered with the Leukemia booster.
> > > I would like to adopt Chloe out (FELV) also because the trio don't get 
> > > along.  They only get along in two's.  In other words, Chloe and Lion get 
> > > along.  But when you put Kitty into the mix, they become territorial.  
> > > Vice versa.  Kitty now gets along with Lion since Chloe has been out of 
> > > the picture.  I would love to find Chloe a home with one other feline 
> > > leukemia cat so she can have a buddy.  I am still trying.  
> > > But I'm open to ideas and input.  Dotty
> > > 
> > > From: Terri Brown 
> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 4:22 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] REPLY FROM DOT
> > > 
> > > Dot,  if your other cats are current on vaccinations and are negative, I 
> > > see no reason why you shouldn't mix them.  Like I've said before, I've 
> > > mixed mine in the past and never have I had a negative become infected.
> > >  
> > > My 2 cents.
> > >  
> > > =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 
> > > furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi 
> > > =^..^=
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: dot winkler
> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:02 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] REPLY FROM DOT
> > > 
> > > Hi April - My vet didn't know anything about the 5 stages of the 
> > > disease  Can you believe this.  O.K.  So, what do you know about the

Re: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-)

[Gloria Lane]

I have godparents for some cats, a rescue for others. - but still a problem- 
what's the rescue gonna do? You gotta have place, a location. Perhaps use of 
your house for a period of time. 

Gloria

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On Sep 8, 2011, at 5:43 PM, Lorrie  wrote:

> I have provided for my cats in my will too. There is plenty of money
> for their care, but WHO WILL TAKE CARE OF THEM?  With 15 cats this is
> the problem.  Not the money.  
> .
> 
>> On 09-08, MaiMaiPG wrote:
> 
>> I've provided for the care of my critters (dogs and cats and whatever  
>> may show up) in my will.  Everything is in trust to be used for their  
>> care until they all leave this world.
> 
>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

[Gloria Lane]

Convenia shot perhaps...

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On Sep 11, 2011, at 8:09 PM,  wrote:

> When Homey (6 years) had a URL, Dr. R gave hr an antibiotic sot that lasts 
> for 2 weeks.  She has had 2 bouts and each tmeit works.  Better than trying 
> to give her a pill or liqud each day.
> 
>  Maureen Olvey  wrote: 
>> 
>> Seems like I heard that kittens should be retested at 6 months.  Not sure 
>> though.
>> 
>> Many kittens have URI and coccidia, which is usually what Albon is for.  
>> I've had some people tell me that their cats went months before they 
>> actually had a solid poop.  That could be from anything.  So if the Albon 
>> doesn't help don't be too worried, just keep trying things.  It could be the 
>> food, other parasites just so many things.  Have to be careful about 
>> diarrhea because it's easy for kittens to get dehydrated.  So make sure it's 
>> getting enough water and let the vet show you how to tell if they're 
>> dehydrated by pulling up the skin to test the elasticity.
>> 
>> If the URI doesn't get  better after a couple rounds of Clavamox ask for a 
>> stronger antibiotic.  I don't think vets like to give too strong an 
>> antibiotic to a kitten but you do have to get rid of the URI so sometimes 
>> there's nothing else to do.  Also antibiotics are notorious for giving cats 
>> diarrhea.
>> 
>> With any FeLV kitty you have to be worried about each thing that they battle 
>> so I don't know about the prognosis.  I wouldn't think those things would be 
>> too much more serious for a FeLV kitten than any other kitten but I don't 
>> know for sure.  If the clavamox is helping then that's a good sign.
>> 
>> So many kittens have lived longer than the expected 3.5 years so you never 
>> know how long the kitten will live.  It seems to be a coin toss.  But, there 
>> are so many things out there to help the immune system deal with whatever 
>> FeLV throws their way so keep that in mind and be positive.
>> 
>> Maybe someone else has more specific advise on supplements or anything else 
>> to help the kitten get over it's health problems right now.
>> 
>> “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
>> profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
>> unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
>> sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
>> 
>> Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 21:28:46 -0700
>> From: ccarlsb...@gmail.com
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
>> 
>> Can someone please give me some advice on the 8 week old kitty I rescued 
>> from the shelter? IFA and ELISA + FELV. What do you all think about that 
>> prognosis?? He is on Clavamax for URI, which is slightly improving, still 
>> very sneezy-snotty, Albon, Metrodione (?) for diarrhea, which has not 
>> improved, and also L-Lysine/Duralactin gel.
>> When should I re-test?
>> 
>> On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 8:59 PM,   wrote:
>> 
>> I think itis time to retest Annie and Nitnoy with the  IFA and Elisa.  It 
>> has been 1 year for Nitnoy and over 3 for Annie.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  Marcia Baronda  wrote:
>> 
>>> No Kiddingmy thoughts exactly. And I am just learning this, because you
>> 
>>> can't find any info like this in any books or on any websites about felv.
>> 
>>> All of you have a wealth of info here and a LOT of statistics!!
>> 
>>> Just think what that would look like all compiled together.
>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Christiane Biagi 
>>> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>> 
 You know, not for nothing, but this testing is really really flawed!
>> 
 There are just too many stories of folks with inconsistent results.  Life
>> 
 and death decisions are made everyday based on these tests and all of us 
 who
>> 
 have felv+ cats know the tests to be a bit shaky.  My own Tucson tested neg
>> 
 at about 3 months & post years later even though she’d never been exposed 
 to
>> 
 the outside or any pos cats…..
>> 
 
>> 
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>> 
 
>> 
 *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:
>> 
 felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Beth
>> 
 *Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:15 PM
>> 
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>> 
 
>> 
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
>> 
 
>> 
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>> 
 
>> 
 I would retest the 1st one on the Elisa just to be sure.
>> 
 
>> 
 
>> 
 
>> 
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>> 
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>> 
 
>> 
 
>> 
 
>> 
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>> 
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>> 
 
>> 
 *From:* Natalie 
>> 
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> 
 *Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:00 PM
>> 
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
>> 
 
>> 
 Ours had only the ELISA, positive….2 ½ yrs late

Re: [Felvtalk] stomatitis

[Gloria Lane]

What treatment did your alternative vet use?

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On Dec 13, 2009, at 7:03 PM, Cougar Clan   
wrote:


I can't say enough for the alternative vet who has helped me with  
numerous four-legged friends including Dixie who was FeLV+.  She was  
fine until a few days before she left this world and I, too, believe  
the alternative treatment helped her leave this world more  
peacefully. If you have an alternative vet in the area, please  
try her.

On Dec 13, 2009, at 5:03 PM, janine paton wrote:

Took in an FIV cat with very bad stomatitis.  I'd never seen a  
huge, emaciated cat try to eat but run backwards growling and  
screaming and pawing at his face, and boy, was I afraid of him!   
Vet pulled teeth, was reluctant at first to use steroid because of  
FIV status but after a month, very bad flare-up so vet wanted to  
try steroid.  I found an excellent homeopath instead and Kohl did  
very well for 2 years with this (rather intensive treatment) and a  
raw diet.  He was actually physically and mentally excellent until  
we noticed a swelling that was dx as an oral cancer, but even his  
ending was helped with the homeopathy and he did well until the few  
days before we opted to have him eithanized.


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Sent: Sun, December 13, 2009 5:22:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] stomatitis

I'll have to think - for Stomatitis/gingivitis, I've used
1) pulling the teeth (seems to work well)
2) Oral dexamethasone (some folks have good luck with that - made  
my kitty cough a little but helped somewhat)
3) Monthly Demo (steroid) shot - nice but if it gets too frequent,  
kitty comes down with other things
4) Convenia antibiotic shot, followed by oral Axithromycin as  
needed (worked pretty well)


There's another oral med that I've tried but can't remember the  
name right now, have to look it up.  It was pretty good.  I'm sure  
there are some other options.  As I understand, Stomatitis can be  
called by several different things...


Best of luck,

Gloria



On Dec 13, 2009, at 3:54 PM, lernermiche...@aol.com wrote:

Hi. I'm fostering an FIV+ cat right now who has pretty bad  
stomatitis. We had his teeth cleaned and 6 of them removed, and  
after a few weeks of antibiotics post-dental surgery he was doing  
much much better-- eating a lot more, gained 3 pounds in 3 weeks,  
not seeming to have any mouth pain and the redness was all gone.  
We stopped the antibiotics (which had been clindamycin then  
switched to clavamox) and he remained ok for  a few days. He then  
went to a potential adoptive home with another FIV+ cat. A week  
later she called for us to get him back, largely because his mouth  
got really bad again. He is back on Clavamox, and has been for a  
few days, but is growling when he eats and can only eat wet food  
that we break up into very small pieces. His gums are very  
inflamed again. I had 6 FeLV+ cats, but was lucky that none had  
stomatitis like this. For those of you whose cats have it or had  
it, what do you recommend?


thanks,
Michelle
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Re: [Felvtalk] stomatitis

[Gloria Lane]

Yes that's one standard way that vets treat it.  But when it gets bad  
you can't just increase steroid dosage without some other risks.


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On Dec 14, 2009, at 9:59 AM, Debbie Bates  wrote:



Just wondering...when my sister's cat was having a flair up, they  
put him on steroids...is this not done any longer?


Debbie (COL)
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Subject: [Felvtalk] stomatitis

Hi. I'm fostering an FIV+ cat right now who has pretty bad  
stomatitis. We had his teeth cleaned and 6 of them removed, and  
after a few weeks of antibiotics post-dental surgery he was doing  
much much better-- eating a lot more, gained 3 pounds in 3 weeks,  
not seeming to have any mouth pain and the redness was all gone. We  
stopped the antibiotics (which had been clindamycin then switched  
to clavamox) and he remained ok for a few days. He then went to a  
potential adoptive home with another FIV+ cat. A week later she  
called for us to get him back, largely because his mouth got really  
bad again. He is back on Clavamox, and has been for a few days, but  
is growling when he eats and can only eat wet food that we break up  
into very small pieces. His gums are very inflamed again. I had 6  
FeLV+ cats, but was lucky that none had stomatitis like this. For  
those of you whose cats have it or had it, what do you recommend?


thanks,
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Re: [Felvtalk] Article at Bestfriends

[Gloria Lane]

That's great. I love it!

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On Jan 27, 2010, at 7:08 AM, Lorrie  wrote:


Good letter!   I'll send one too.

Lorrie


On 01-26, Laurieskatz wrote:
Here is what I wrote to this address: edi...@bestfriends.org

Dear Editor:

The article about Feline Leukemia Virus by Virginia Clemans is
inconsistent with my experience and, I believe, does a great
injustice to cats diagnosed with this virus. Certainly not all cats
diagnosed with FeLV have the health issues Clemans reports. I lived
with two cats who were diagnosed with feline leukemia after I
adopted them. Stripes lived to age 16 years. Squeaky lived to age
22 years. They were robust boy cats who lived together for 15
years. They weighed 15-16 lbs. People always commented about what
big boys they were. They were playful and fully engaged in life.

Stripes had an occasional undiagnosed illness that always resolved.
Squeaky was never sick a day in his life until his final three
weeks. Squeaky died from oral cancer. We did not determine Stripes'
cause of death. My vets did not treat these cats any differently
than other cats I have had. There was no alarm sounded when their
tests came back positive. The information was given to me as part
of a routine exam. I had no idea anyone thought this was a big
deal. Certainly my vets did not think so.

I rescued two other cats who tested positive for FeLV. Ollie lived
to an old age, asymptomatic except for some dental issues at the
time he was rescued. Bella is still alive. She is a 13 lb ball of
love. She was rescued 3 years ago and was an adult cat at that
time. She was anemic and had a high fever when rescued but these
situations quickly resolved with medication treatment by an
internal medicine specialist.

Feline Leukemia does not have to be a death sentence. The kitties
who test positive should be retested as there can be false
positives (and false negatives). Their owners can find information
and support groups on the internet (yahoo offers several groups for
FeLV cat owners). In this group format they can talk to other
people who live or have lived with cats with FeLV. They can get
questions answered. They can learn about feeding a quality food,
keeping stress to a minimum and various supplements and treatments
in the event of illness. Not all the cats who test positive will be
as lucky as those I mentioned here, but there is another side to
this disease and there are many cats who survive and thrive with
this disease.


Sincerely,
Laurie Crawford Stone
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Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccine

[Gloria Lane]

There's also some thought that adult cats have enough natural immunity  
that they don't easily get felv.


Gloria



On Mar 27, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Lorrie  wrote:


I'm sure different vets have different opinions  I like
the one your vet has. With 14 cats it's very expensive
keeping up with and paying for all these shots.

L.

On 03-27, Laurieskatz wrote:


My vet no longer recommends FeLV vaccine, either. Tessa, my last
rescue, has not been vaccinated for FeLV. She was tested and
isolated before being introduced to the others. I have usually
tested new cats at least twice before introducing to the others. I
don't have any FeLV+ cats living in my house. If I did, I would
vaccinate the others - at least the first shot and first booster.
My vet thinks the first two (30 days apart) will protect for life.
L



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Re: [Felvtalk] Possible therapy for felv

[Gloria Lane]

Well actually dandelion has some nice therapeutic benefits. And they  
MIGHt consent to cheese. But I've never had one consent to hot sauce!


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On Apr 16, 2010, at 11:20 PM, MaryChristine  
 wrote:


c'mon, gloria, tell me you wouldn't try it, too, if you thought it'd  
work!
(and my first calico LOVED hot sauce, so who can tell--of course,  
i'd boil

the dandelions first to remove the bitterness.)

On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 11:08 PM, Gloria B. Lane  
wrote:


Good luck feeding your cats dandelions with cheese and jalapeno  
sauce...






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Re: [Felvtalk] Felv vaccine and booster

[Gloria Lane]

Nope don't know about that list mc but interested. I'll check it out.

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On Apr 18, 2010, at 11:00 AM, MaryChristine  
 wrote:



this is an old myth that continues to make the rounds.

the FeLV virus does not, and cannot, cause a cat to become positive.  
in
fact, there is anecdotal evidence on this list, that vaccinating a  
truly

positive FeLV increases their lifespan!

(anyone on this list also on Fan-H? gloria, maybe? there was just a
discussion on the differences between the kinds of vaccines that  
looked

really good--i don't have the time right now to go grab all the
discussion.)

as for the FIV vaccine, it doesn't cause FIV either, it just produces
antibodies that will make the cat TEST positive on both the SNAP and  
Western
Blot test. bless that vet who realizes this (tho all should), and  
insists

upon identifying the cat's reason for a positive test!

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Re: [Felvtalk] faint/weak positives on SNAP/ELISA tests

[Gloria Lane]

Wonder what in the blood causes it to be weak or strong.

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On May 29, 2010, at 3:53 PM, MaryChristine   
wrote:



as with pregnancy, it's a true-false question.

http://www.idexx.com/view/xhtml/en_us/smallanimal/inhouse/snap/common/technology.jsf

from the section on using blood samples:

"Any color development in the sample spots indicates the presence of  
FIV

antibody or FeLV antigen in the sample."

any vet, or tech, or person who is performing the test (and should  
have read

the instructions) should know this.

MC

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Re: [Felvtalk] needing support

[Gloria Lane]

Good one!

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On Jun 1, 2010, at 9:42 AM, Tad Burnett   
wrote:


Next time a doc warns you of some possibility of an off the wall  
disease that you could get
ask him if the risk is greater or less than the risk of you getting  
hurt in an automobile accident
while driving to his office He probably won't give you an answer  
but watch the expression
on his face... The risk in a car accident is hundreds or thousands  
of time more likely than many

things that we worry about...
Tad


Heather wrote:

Oops, correction, people are often misinformed by their human  
doctors.   My
vet said she can't believe some of the things people tell her that  
their

have doctors told them.

On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 9:43 AM, Heather  wrote:



Hi,

I think you are referring to Toxoplasmosis, I too wondered if  
perhaps Julie
was misinformed and that was what she was referring to as I know  
of no

reasons that any human being around an FELV+ cat is a problem.

For anecdoctal value, I am somewhat immune compromised and have  
cared for a
Toxo+ cat with no problems.  I mentioned to my vet how sad it is,  
the # of
people misinformed by their vets who think that pregnant women  
must get rid
of their cats and she agreed--she is a very cautious person and  
has had 2
babies of her own in the last 3 years, she said she even scooped  
her own
litterboxes (not to mention all she does at their cat only vet  
practice).
She indicated that it takes something like 48 hrs. for toxo to  
even begin to
develop after a cat has defecated (something like this) so it's  
mostly a

risk for people who don't keep their boxes clean.

Anyway, I would never want to steer anyone wrong so hopefully  
someone else
will pipe in, but to my knowledge there is no reason for anyone,  
pregnant,

baby or otherwise, to worry about being around an FELV+ kitty.

Julie, you obviously care about these kitties very much and it is  
to be
commended!  I do resecue and all we seem to hear day in and day  
out is
people who are NOT willing to even do the smallest thing to help a  
cat in

need, let alone all you are doing.

Wishing you the best with these special babies!  Please do post  
the test

results.

Heather

On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 12:24 AM, Tad Burnett >wrote:




There is a disease that pregnant women can get from the litter box
cleaning...
It is very rare and I think you have to stick your fingers in  
your mouth

after
handling litter in order to get it...
I don't think it has anything to do with FeLV
It can cause brain damage to the fetus if you should get it and  
that is

why
some doctors make such a big deal about it But if you wash  
your hands
after cleaning litter box or wear gloves or even better get daddy  
to do

litter
duty than it is almost impossible that you will get it

Tad


Julie Dalesio Gladnick wrote:

Hi Tad-

Thank you so much for your supportive words.  I am so sorry to  
hear about

your girl kitty, but it certainly does bring some perspective and
reality.
I think I will take your advice and let them be together at  
least until

the
second test; they are so much happier.  I guess my hesitancy is  
that I

don't
think I could deal if they both were positive.  Then again, I  
never

imagined
dealing with either of them facing this.  Do anyone have any  
info on
pregnant woman or babies and FeLV cats?  I've obviously read  
that they
should not be together, but does anyone have actual experience?  
I've

been
finding that a lot of info online tends to be pretty negative.

Thanks again, I feel truly grateful.

On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Tad Burnett 
wrote:





Hi Julie
You have come to the right place... We all have a similar story  
to

tell...
Your story is exactly like mine.. Two black and white tux  
kittens.. Boy

was
pos
and girl was neg... I didn't have room to separate them and the  
vet

advised
that
she surely she had been exposed and she might be one of the few  
that

have a
strong natural immunity or else she wouldgo pos at some time  
later...

Anyway
she got vaccinated but not separated
The 2 were very close and played together all the time.. I  
remember

thinking
how sad it was going to be when the pos one got sick and passed  
on

leaving
her
As fate would have it the neg one stopped eating one evening  
after only

a
month...
Took her to the vet 1st thing in the morning and she got some  
emergenct

treatment
but she died while still at the vets in the middle of the  
morning
The vet said it was FIP... The point is there are many things  
that can

take a cat
early... My pos boy lived on for seven years... During his life  
I got

hms
several
other pos kitties and most of the he out lived too...
There is also a good chance that the 1st test is a false pos...  
Do get

that 2nd test
and we will all hope for the best...
If it were me I would let the stay together... Keep them happy  
and no

stress...
Feed them a good quality food and have a vet that approves of  

Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Onyx to the CLS

[Gloria Lane]

In so sorry Avia. May she rest in peace.

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Onyx lost her battle with FeLV tonight. Please add her to the CLS

Avia

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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

[Gloria Lane]

So Island doesn't sell it anymore?

There's also 3 on 3 off protocol. I used to do daily tho.

Gloria

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On Jun 27, 2010, at 4:45 PM, "gary"  wrote:

According to Island Pharmacy - they use to compound a lot of  
interferon, but no longer do it - it was not recommended to freeze  
the final dilution of interferon, just keep it in the fridge, they  
always said it was good for 90 days that way.  The dosage for cats  
is 30 IU a day.  The compound you have is made to have 1 ml equal 60  
IU, so to get the correct daily dosage of 30 IU, you would use only . 
5 ml.  Whether you use a protocol with a daily dosage, or the 7 on 7  
off protocol is a choice you have to make.


I don't know how your interferon is packaged, but if you do not need  
a needle to withdraw it and can use just an oral syringe, I would  
Google for a 1 ml oral syringe with cap.  Most of the syringes  
listed as oral syringes will not accept a needle, so they are not  
dual purpose.


Gary

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Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon


Hi:

I received a bottle of interferon from my vet. He told me it was a  
90 day supply but it says discard after 30 days on the bottle. I  
know many posts have said that you draw it up into syringes and  
then freeze and I know it doesn't last long.  I'm guessing I need  
to do that but my vet told me to call the compounding pharmacy that  
diluted it and sent it and just make sure.


The bottle says Interferon Alpha 2B 60 IU/ML 45 ML give .5 ML by  
mouth once daily.  I thought I had read most people are giving 1 ML  
daily or 7 on 7 off? This came from US Compounding with an address  
in Conway AZ.  I didn't get much instruction with the bottle!


So I am wondering about freezing and then do you know of any  
economic sites where I can buy the 1 ML syringes in a box off 100  
and the syringe caps? I am also looking for empty small gelcaps.


Thanks!
Stacy and Spanky


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Re: [Felvtalk] vets

[Gloria Lane]

Ok that's right, I'll give u that- there is more to new York than  
NYC.  Not to insinuate that the rest of you don't count MC, ha!


But there's another felvtalk person in either manhatten or across the  
bridge in NJ. I remember from when my sister died there in 2003 I was  
thinking gee I wish i could visit xyz. Let's see who is it...brain has  
gone bye bye.


Gloria


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wrote:


um, gloria, dear? new york is a big state! i'm a new yorker after  
all


but everyone, remember to check out belinda's FeLV-friendly list at
www.adopt.bemikitties.com. AND ENTER YOUR OWN VET into the database!

On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Gloria B. Lane  
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Well we've got a New Yorker on the list or did, now I forget who!

Gloria



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Re: [Felvtalk] Lost my FELV Stray dude

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So sorry to hear of your loss. So sweet that he had you to care for him before 
he moved on to the Rainbow bridge. 

Gloria

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On Aug 3, 2010, at 5:31 PM, "Julie G."  wrote:

> Hi I've been lurking a few weeks.  In July I picked up a stray that turned 
> out 
> to be FELV+.  In his few weeks with me he gained a pound, had a cushy bed, 
> delicious premium canned food, and all the snuggles I had time to give him, 
> since he lived in the basement while I tried to figure out where he could 
> live 
> (I have 4 cats).  I'd watch movies on the laptop with him on my lap, snoozing 
> away happily.  He always seemed a little wobbly, and his pupils were always 
> different sizes.  But he was relatively happy so we kept on.  Last night his 
> back legs didnt work.  This had happened before, my pet sitter said, but they 
> always came back "on" after a while.  But this morning they still didnt work. 
>  
> The vet examined and confirmed that he had tumors pressing on his spinal 
> cord.  
> He was in pain and his entire back end didn't do what he wanted it too.  So 
> the 
> decision was made to let him go.  
> 
> 
> He'd been living under porches on my block for at least a few months when we 
> finally caught him.  I'm so glad we did, I cant imagine what a frustrating, 
> frightening life he'd be having out on the street right now, starving, full 
> of 
> tape worm, and 2 back legs that wont work.  I'm crushed that we couldnt give 
> him 
> a better life, and for longer, but I'm glad we got to him when he needed us, 
> and 
> filled his belly and his heart for a few weeks.  Safe and comfy and within a 
> foot of food at all times. :)
> 
> Anyway, I dont know anything about FELV, this was my first introduction to 
> it... 
> so I dont exactly know how the tumors are related (cancer?)... but I wanted 
> to 
> drop a line to folks who understand.  He wasnt my kitty for long, but he was 
> my 
> kitty.
> 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Transfactor plus

[Gloria Lane]

Well I usually assume it's someone eying to send something other than a text 
message, and it just doesn't get handled right. 

Gloria


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On Aug 3, 2010, at 6:29 PM,  wrote:

> I HAVE HAD A FEW OF THOSE.  ANYONE KNOW WHAT CAUSES IT?
>  Lorrie  wrote: 
>> It was garbled at this end too Lorrie
>> 
>> On 08-03, trmckel...@charter.net wrote:
>>> hi Stacy,
>>> 
>>> Your message came through garbled, see below :-)  Can't say if I'm the only 
>>> one, but if you could resend, it would help.  If you're asking about 
>>> transfer factor plus, I've used it with my FeLV+ cats.
>>> 
>>> Terry
>>>  Szacherdroid  wrote: 
>>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Foster cat with FeLV

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Might also check out http://www.vet.cornell.edu/fhc/brochures/felv.html

Regarding the two stages of viremia, and what the elisa test and the Ifa test 
are for. 

Gloria

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> Rachel, check with the vets to see what test was used.  There has been a lot 
> of reports of false positives with the new IDEXX heartworm/FeLV/FIV combo 
> test.  If that was the test used please arrange for the IFA test before 
> making any decisions about Oscar.
> Sharyl
> 
> --- On Tue, 9/28/10, Rachel  wrote:
> 
>> From: Rachel 
>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Foster cat with FeLV
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Date: Tuesday, September 28, 2010, 10:45 PM
>> Hi-
>> 
>> I work with a nonprofit animal rescue based in Cincinnati,
>> Ohio.  Two weeks ago 
>> we took in an owner-surrender cat who tested positive
>> yesterday for FeLV.  We 
>> had him retested this evening at another facility and that
>> test also came back 
>> positive.  Unfortunately we do not have any fosters
>> who can accommodate an 
>> FeLV-positive cat out of concern for our own and other
>> foster animals.  I am 
>> trying desperately to find alternate placement for Oscar
>> locally, but am not 
>> having a lot of success.  
>> 
>> 
>> Oscar is a purebred odd-eyed white Persian cat.  He is
>> about three years old and 
>> is asymptomatic.  He was purchased from a breeder as a
>> kitten and was kept as an 
>> indoor-only cat in a household with no other cats. 
>> Does anyone here know of any 
>> resources or organizations that may be able to take Oscar
>> in?  We are willing to 
>> transport Oscar (within reason).  He has been neutered
>> and will be fully 
>> vaccinated prior to placement.  I would absolutely
>> hate for this friendly, 
>> gorgeous cat to be euthanized simply because alternate
>> placement cannot be 
>> found.
>> 
>> Thank you, 
>> 
>> Rachel Richardson
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing

[Gloria Lane]

I have to say my experience is pretty much the same as Terrie's.  With my first 
FeLV kitties, Calawalla Banana Booboo and Mr Black Kitty, I was pretty 
paranoid. I think it was 2001.  But even the vet reassured mr that the virus 
wasn't that contagious.  I relaxed a bit.

At some point I decided to mix and have never had a problem. My friend Susan - 
we're in the same rescue - has the same experience. 

Gloria
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On Oct 14, 2010, at 10:30 AM,  wrote:

> Melinda,
> Well, this is my opinion and experience with having FELV kitties in the past 
> but don't any now.
> My first personal experience was back in mid part of1999 I got a kitten that 
> I named Taz was FELV and he died in January 2002. He had it in his bone 
> marrow. He died from secondary illnesses.
> Spent a lot of money on him to try and save him money was not a factor. My 
> husband and I didn't care did whatever it took.
> Anyway, I had other personal kitties both young and older adults that lived 
> with this kitten up to his passing. They played, ate, shared litter boxes, 
> bathe, and slept together during this time. My other kitties were vaccinated 
> every year and some were not this was due to the age since I had a few 
> seniors at the time when they passed they did not die of FELV. I have to say 
> no one tested positive during and after he died. I lost my eldest cat back in 
> March of 2010 that personally took care of Taz when he was alive. She did not 
> die of FELV. She was 21 years old and went into kidney failure. I was with 
> her when she died.
> My conclusion is that no one came down with FELV.
>  
> So I guess my point is it is you that can make the decision of whether you 
> want to mix or not.
> There are some of us on this group that do mix and some that do not.
> I do not have the fear of having a FELV kitty and mixing with my personal 
> cats.
>  
> In rescue I do not mix this is for safety reasons.
> 
> TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE
> Sultan, WA. 98294
> Terrie Mohr-Forker
> http://tazzys.org/
> Non-Profit national rescue
> Dedicated to the welfare of animals.
>  
> Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved.
>  
>  
>  Original Message 
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Mixing
> From: Melinda Kerr 
> Date: Wed, October 13, 2010 2:14 am
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> 
> OK,  I know I am going to get some really strong opinions on this one.   What 
> I really want is positive feedback from people who have mixed positives and 
> negatives.  My Fuji contacted her FeLV from her mom and it didn't show up on 
> her initial test.  We did not know she was positive until a mediastinal mass 
> developed when she was almost a year old.  She now receives chemo and is 
> doing really well. Since her first treatment in July, she has never shown any 
> signs of being sick.  
> 
> Today, I "rescued" a stray that I thought for certain would be positive.  
> However, the initial test was negative.  I have the cats separated and intend 
> to vaccinate as soon as one of my vets gets the vaccine in.  They have been 
> introduced to each other and seem as though they will get along quite well.  
> Fuji is not a fighter and I cannot see her biting him.  Neither of my vets 
> seem to think that mixing them will be a problem.  
> 
> I read the old threads and saw that many of you have mixed with great 
> results.  I did not see any stories of mixing where a vaccinated negative 
> became positive.  I'm looking for stories of success or failure.  Please 
> share your stories!
> 
> Thanks,
> Melinda, Fuji and Shadow
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Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction

[Gloria Lane]

Might add the lysine to chicken broth and syringe it. Or add to food. It can 
taste pretty yukky just plain. 

Gloria

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> Bonnie, I have been using L-Lysine for almost 2 years now with absolutely no
> problem. I also buy the 1 lb. container online, about $10-14 (very cheap),
> it's the Now brand. Just do a search for it. It's the powder form,
> pharmaceutical grade and I put 1/8 tsp in wet food daily (which is about 250
> mg). My cat has never had a problem with this. This container lasts a very
> long time.
> 
> On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Bonnie Hogue  wrote:
> 
>> Have been reading lately on here about L-Lysine for the cat...I crushed a
>> tablet very well (I have a mortar and pestle from when my mom was here and
>> we had to crush her meds) and added it to Lucky's food.  Poor guy vomited it
>> right up -- I mean, back into the feed dishes!
>> So now I don't know exactly what to do...maybe decrease to half a tab
>> (about 250 mg)?
>> Anyone else had a cat with a bad reaction to L-Lysine?  Ideas?
>> Thanks!
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Re: [Felvtalk] treatment updates

[Gloria Lane]

Thanks Gary!  I don't have any sick Felv cats right now but have had plenty and 
wondered about and tried various  treatments. Glad to get your info. 

Gloria

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> Unfortunately, these updates are not good news.
> 
> ACEMANNAN:  I used this to save several FeLV cats, it works.  Sadly, the 
> company that made it - Carrington Labs - went out of business and it is no 
> longer available.  On Saturday I will give the last of my Acemannan to a sick 
> kitty and hope that will be enough.
> 
> STAPH PROTEIN A:  I have never had the chance to use this, but there were 
> some pretty encouraging trials a few years ago and my vet got some from a 
> university.  The vet said it worked very well in temporarily reversing anemia 
> in Felv cats, giving them another 5 or 6 months of good health.  This product 
> was never approved for the treatment of animals and is stricly used in 
> biological research.  You must be a legitimate bio researcher to buy it and 
> you must swear it will never get into the hands of anyone not authorized to 
> use it.  So, in reality, you cannot get it.
> 
> Would the list owner please update the website about these treatments.
> 
> Gary 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie

[Gloria Lane]

If it isn't drool and it is pee, and doesn't smell, that could imply urinary 
tract problems. 

Gloria

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On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:49 AM, "Bonnie Hogue"  wrote:

> The bed was wet again this morning, near where he was laying last night.  I 
> put my hand on it and it didn't smell.  That's what throws me.  The black 
> light trick is a good one -- I'll see what I can come up with!
> I asked my mom is Lucky drools and slobbers -- she's in a convalescent 
> hospital following two severe strokes and communicating is hard -- but she 
> dearly loves her Lucky.  She said, "Yes, he slobbers a lot."  So, maybe that 
> is the answer!
> - Original Message - From: "Natalie" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 6:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie
> 
> 
>> Some cats are real droolers - it may have nothing to do with teeth - I used
>> to have one cat that made my arm and lap totally wet with droolif the
>> drool isn't clear, then it could be a sign of something else.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
>> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 3:41 PM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie
>> 
>> Laurie
>> Why don't you guys like WB cat litter?  Just curious.  I've tried many types
>> 
>> and find it pretty good.  I will look up Dr. Elsey's.
>> Lucky's teeth look good.  He likes to rub his mouth on my hand when we're
>> having our Love Sessions... and he'll very gently nibble.  I thought, "Wow,
>> I bet I could brush this cat's teeth."  Something I would never get away
>> with on my other cats.
>> Lucky is an odd cat, and I suspect he's quite bright.
>> I'm hoping for drool vs. pee!
>> Thanks for your insights.
>> ~Bonnie
>> - Original Message - From: "Laurieskatz" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 12:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE
>> 
>> 
>>> Bonnie, if it was pee there would be NO mistaking it! Has anyone checked
>>> his
>>> teeth if he is drooling? That sounds like a lot of drool. And I bet it is
>>> drool.
>>> The vet (at catinfo.org) hates World's best cat litter, btw.
>>> She and I used Dr. Elsey's Ultra Precious cats.
>>> L
>>> 
>>> "Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
>>> untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive
>>> them
>>> of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
>>> yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with
>>> your
>>> greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces
>>> of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
>>> us!"~Fyodor Dostoyevsky
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
>>> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 1:57 PM
>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE
>>> 
>>> "Think like the
>>> cat and you will have your answer!" -- I like that!
>>> 
>>> This sounds strange, but I'm not sure it's pee because it doesn't stink
>>> much.  The vet said it could be pee or, get this, it could be drool.
>>> Lucky
>>> lays on the bed and looks pretty comfortable, and he is a major league
>>> drooler!  He has the room and the box to himself, so no anxiety there.  I
>>> see pee-clumps in the box, but I suppose he could still be peeing the bed
>>> just because.  I use World's Best Cat Litter -- also world's most
>>> expensive -- and it really is excellent stuff.  I scoop his box daily.
>>> But
>>> I might need to change the litter more.
>>> Anyway, now I'm doing a test: putting a water-proof cover on the mattress,
>>> wash and replace the sheets and see if I can tell what's really going on.
>>> Cats...anything is possible with these amazing animals!
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Laurieskatz" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:37 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE
>>> 
>>> 
>>>

Re: [Felvtalk] What to do after they die?

[Gloria Lane]

Im so aorry for your loss.  My vet said the virus lasts only a short while 
outside the body, a minute or so.  Healthy adult cats have good immunity to it 
anyhow.   I have lost several felv cats, and never do any extraordinary 
cleaning or waiting when they pass away.  In my opinion don't worry about it. 

Gloria

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> Hello,
> 
> I tried sending a post several days ago, but my membership had not gone 
> through 
> yet so my post was rejected.  I was asking for suggestions on how to get my 
> FLV 
> cat, Chloe, to eat.  Very sadly, she passed away early yesterday morning.  I 
> wish I had found this group earlier, but from the time she started feeling 
> droopy to the time she passed away was just three weeks - way too fast.  
> Anyway, 
> can anyone tell me what I need to do, if anything, to her cat tree, cat 
> tunnel, 
> litter box, toys, etc. before I pass them on to another home?  I have read 
> that 
> the virus does not live long outside of the body, but have also read that a 
> person should wait 30 days before introducing another cat in the home - 
> leaving 
> me to believe that perhaps her things may still have enough of the virus on 
> them 
> to get other cats sick.  That is the last thing I'd want.  Does anyone have 
> any 
> suggestions?
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Second Chance Xmas Fund Raiser

[Gloria Lane]

Well it doesn't give a location ...

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On Nov 17, 2010, at 4:28 PM, Mike Finch  wrote:

> Forgive me... but can anyone vouch for this organization?  I apologize in 
> advance for my skepticism, but this comes across as a classic scam.
> 
> Mike
> 
> From: Second Chance Meows 
> To: felvpositivec...@yahoogroups.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; 
> susan_hoff...@yahoo.com; Colin Starrett 
> Sent: Wed, November 17, 2010 6:09:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Second Chance Xmas Fund Raiser
> 
> please cross post to all groups and rescues
> 
> We Need Heroes, 
> people willing to step up and help these furry kids.  we here at Second 
> Chance 
> have been giving these little ones a home with  love and care to over 30 
> cats, 
> for over 8 years . We are totally out of  pocket. Our vet bills run in the 
> average of hundreds ( we have  10 cats with us now) and that's when they are 
> in 
> good health. when they  get sick the vet costs can raise dramatically.
> food 
> costs average  about 100.00 per month. vitamins, food supplements to help 
> boost 
> their  immune systems, litter, climbing trees, waterfalls ( for high o2  
> content), toys, beds, perscriptions  all come out of our pockets.
> Please we need HEROES to help us in our fight to keep these cats for being 
> KILLED
> http://secondchancemeows.chipin.com/second-chance-meows-xmas-fund-raiser
> 
> Michael Johnson
> Founder/Owner
> Second Chance Meows
> A FeLV Sanctuary
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Second Chance Meows 
> To: felvpositivec...@yahoogroups.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; 
> susan_hoff...@yahoo.com
> Sent: Wed, November 17, 2010 1:04:21 PM
> Subject: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Michael Johnson
> Founder/Owner
> Second Chance Meows
> A FeLV Sanctuary
> 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] question on antibiotic

[Gloria Lane]

Clavamox can be kind of hard on the digestive track sometime.  I know nothing 
about neoplasene salve. I dint know, i might try some other abx, if it were me, 
like amoxicillin or azithromycin .

Gloria

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> Hi:
> 
> Spanky has not been doing well this week. He's very low energy more than 
> normal, weak and won't get out of bed unless I pick him up and make him get 
> up and walk around. He's been eating fair with an appetite stimulant and 
> using his litter box  - again when I get him up and take him near it.  His 
> gums and tongue seem okay for him - not white and he's on pet-tinic 2x per 
> day.  
> 
> When I took him to the dermatologist, she prescribed clavamox for him just in 
> case he had an infection but then my regular vet had me hold off since we did 
> the neoplasene salve on him.  Now I am wondering if I should try giving him 
> the antibiotic anyway "just in case".  I gave him fluids for the past 2 
> nights also - 50 ml and last night almost 100ml  because he's not drinking 
> very much.  
> 
> In any case, I'm just looking for advice about  clavamox. I don't want to 
> make him feel sicker but I'm not sure how he'd handle it - if it makes cats 
> nauseous. 
> 
> also, we did the neoplasene salve and it seemed to shrink the growth in his 
> nose and
> his other 2 lesions.  The vet recommended doing the salve again but at
> this point, I'm not sure we will. 
> 
> 
> Thanks so much,
> Stacy and Spanky
> 
> 
> 
> stacy_zac...@yahoo.com
> 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] question on antibiotic

[Gloria Lane]

That's been my experience often w Clavamox. 



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On Nov 21, 2010, at 3:56 PM,  wrote:

> Clavamox put Bob into full diaherrea.  he was miserable and we had a few 
> messes when he could not make it to the box.  this was from emergency vet on 
> a Sunday night.  got another that was easier on him, but he passed at the end 
> of that week.  thought about an autopsy, but decided not to cause him any 
> more abuse.  buried him in my 3rd plot in a flower garden.  i have 4 gardens 
> with buriel plots in them.  only plant shallow rooted things there.  then 
> Homie came down with crystals and urinary tract infection so we gave her a 
> shot that lasts 2 weks and does not cause so much discomfort.  also gave her 
> herbal pill from Only Natural Pet Store.  at the end of 30 days on the pill 
> she is free of crystals and infection.  lost the envelope they came in, but 
> developed by a Chinese dr and has as first ingredient dendrobium.  i was 
> desperate for something to get rid of the crystals.  she was retaining urine 
> and would not eat the special foods by Hill's and Purina for this problem.  
> she got lethargic, wouldn't eat or drink much and was trying to go all over 
> the house.  after a couple of days on this pill, she started on recovery and 
> by the end of the first week was almost back to normal which is a pain in the 
> ---.
> she delights in tormenting Annie and Nitnoy by sitting there and staring at 
> them.  now i am laying in a supply of Feliway.  I hesitated to get this, is 
> expensive and only had reviews by people who had tried it to go on, but as 
> bad as she was, i figured i had nothing to loose.
>  Gloria Lane  wrote: 
>> Clavamox can be kind of hard on the digestive track sometime.  I know 
>> nothing about neoplasene salve. I dint know, i might try some other abx, if 
>> it were me, like amoxicillin or azithromycin .
>> 
>> Gloria
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Nov 20, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Stacy Zacher  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi:
>>> 
>>> Spanky has not been doing well this week. He's very low energy more than 
>>> normal, weak and won't get out of bed unless I pick him up and make him get 
>>> up and walk around. He's been eating fair with an appetite stimulant and 
>>> using his litter box  - again when I get him up and take him near it.  His 
>>> gums and tongue seem okay for him - not white and he's on pet-tinic 2x per 
>>> day.  
>>> 
>>> When I took him to the dermatologist, she prescribed clavamox for him just 
>>> in case he had an infection but then my regular vet had me hold off since 
>>> we did the neoplasene salve on him.  Now I am wondering if I should try 
>>> giving him the antibiotic anyway "just in case".  I gave him fluids for the 
>>> past 2 nights also - 50 ml and last night almost 100ml  because he's not 
>>> drinking very much.  
>>> 
>>> In any case, I'm just looking for advice about  clavamox. I don't want to 
>>> make him feel sicker but I'm not sure how he'd handle it - if it makes cats 
>>> nauseous. 
>>> 
>>> also, we did the neoplasene salve and it seemed to shrink the growth in his 
>>> nose and
>>> his other 2 lesions.  The vet recommended doing the salve again but at
>>> this point, I'm not sure we will. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks so much,
>>> Stacy and Spanky
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> stacy_zac...@yahoo.com
>>> 
>>> 
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[Felvtalk] Fwd: FeLV question

[Gloria Lane]

See note below from Natalie - need help with felv mama and babies in 
Connecticut . 

Gloria

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> From: Natalie Jarnstedt 
> Date: November 21, 2010 11:05:19 AM CST
> To: "'Gloria Lane'" 
> Subject: FeLV question
> 

> Gloria - I am in Mexico right now, am receiving all felvtalk mail but cannot
> post replies because my email address is not being accepted by the felvtalk
> monitor.unfortunately, they just notified methe question below is of
> the utmost importance and I was hoping to get some feedback on it for my
> friend with the problem (see below).
> 
> Could you kindly post it for me. Thank you so much - Natalie
> 
> P.S. Although it clearly says that my e-mail is sent from the correct
> address, it actually goes out as "gmail" from here (not listed as member of
> felvtalk!)
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Natalie Jarnstedt [mailto:at...@optonline.net] 
> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 8:36 PM
> To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
> Subject: FeLV question
> 
> Hi,
> I hope that someone might have some advice for a fellow animal rescuer in CT
> who has a problem, with which I cannot help her because I haven't had much
> exposure to FeLV over the years - please see her note below; any help would
> be much appreciated! Natalie
> 
> 
> "Help.  Do you guys have ANY ideas on what to do?  
> 
> I rescued a mom cat and her 7 12-week old kittens.  They have been boarded
> and cared for at the vet hospital for one month, where mom was spayed and
> everyone received shots, deworming, etc.
> 
> Mom has tested negative for FeLV three times.  The last two times using the
> IFA test.  Three kittens first tested borderline on the Snap test, then one
> month later tested positive on the IFA test.  One who originally tested
> negative ended up positive on the IFA test.  Everybody has been tested
> multiple times using both tests.  This leaves:
> 
>Mom - negative
>2 kittens - negative
>4 kittens - positive
> 
> The veterinarians are all baffled.  Recommend to retest in 6 months, and to
> treat the negative ones as though they would be turning positive.  I still
> think the negative ones should be kept away from the confirmed positive
> ones.
> 
> The catch is that I need to get them out of the vet, hopefully by Monday,
> and that I have no place to go with them now.  I am possibly looking at
> having to have them all put down which I don't know if I could bring myself
> to do it BUT I don't know of any other options.  Hard to believe in 25 years
> this has never happened to me.  I cannot bring them to our cat house, and I
> cannot bring them into my house.  I have NO place to isolate.
> 
> Do you guys have ANY suggestions, ideas, resources, etc  I am without
> options and running out of time."
> Claudia
> straysandoth...@optonline.net   
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: FELV persian near Missouri and Oklahoma

[Gloria Lane]

No have not- can you take possibly? Will work on transport if so. 

Gloria

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On Nov 22, 2010, at 2:54 PM, Second Chance Meows  
wrote:

> have you had any replies to this cat?
> 
> Michael Johnson
> Founder/Owner
> Second Chance Meows
> A FeLV Sanctuary
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> To: Feline Leukemia 
> Sent: Sun, November 21, 2010 7:35:35 PM
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Fwd: FELV persian near Missouri and Oklahoma
> 
> This is an FELV Persian, in Bella Vista, Arkansas, the northwest part near 
> the 
> Missouri/Arkansas border, toward Kansas, who doesn't have much time - any 
> options?  They say they're willing to transport... Any thoughts or takers?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Gloria
> 
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> On Nov 17, 2010, at 12:38 PM, Belinda Barry wrote:
> 
>> Sent from my MOTOBLUR™ smartphone on AT&T
>> 
>> -Original message-
>> From: Donna gofigure 
>> To: Belinda Barry 
>> Sent: Wed, Nov 17, 2010 15:36:23 GMT+00:00
>> Subject: persian
>> 
>> Belinda,
>> I have a problem. Over the last month I have taken in 4 persians. They all 
> have
>> been in rough shape and all found within a 2 block area. Appears a breeder is
>> dumping in  this area. Anyway the last one we took in yesterday and he is a 
>> very
>> tiny male, black and white and has an old broken jaw (one of the others had a
>> broken jaw too). Anyway he is a young guy (approx. 8 months old) and skin and
>> bones. Took him to the vet yesterday as he looked awful and found out he has
>> feline Luek. Did not know if you knew someone that would take a persian with
>> leuk. I will hang on to him till tommorow and if you know anyone we will 
> neuter
>> him and get him ready to go.
>> Let me know and I understand if you do  not know anyone. This is a hard one.
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question About Inegrating Positive and Negative Cats

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I'm writing this on my phone so limited on what I can write. But everyone of 
course follows their own heart on this. I've been mixing mine for a few years 
As others do with no problem. I think they hype up the contagion something 
terrible.  I just don't think it that contagious. 

Gloria

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On Dec 6, 2010, at 1:01 PM, "Stephanie \(Merkel\) Sherry" 
 wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
> 
> I am new to this site and new to the world of FELV.  My husband and I 
> recently 
> took in a stray kitten, Magic, who had been coming into our yard and on our 
> porch.  We've had her inside and separated from our FELV negative cats for 
> six 
> weeks now and love her dearly.
> 
> At her first vet appt about five week ago she tested positive on two 
> different 
> snap tests.  She also recently tested positive on the IFA test.  Magic is 
> about 
> five months old and is healthy (other than FELV), active, growing and gaining 
> weight, loves to play and is the sweetest girl.  For now, she lives in our 
> master bedroom separated from our other cats.
> 
> One of the vets at my practice suggested it was possible to integrate her 
> with 
> our other cats if we had them all vaccinated.  She did tell me that the 
> vaccine 
> isn't 100% so there was some risk to our other cats.  Right now, I do not 
> feel 
> like is the option for me as it doesn't seem fair to expose my FELV negative 
> to 
> cats to the risk of the vaccine itself or exposure to her.  However, I 
> thought I 
> would ask if anyone has gone this route and what their experience has been.  
> The 
> vet who suggested this to me isn't the vet I usually see and I am waiting for 
> my 
> regular vet to come back to work later this week.
> 
> Assuming we don't integrate her with the other cats, she is currently living 
> in 
> our bedroom.  She doesn't seem unhappy and while it's not an ideal set-up for 
> us, it is something we could manage long term.  I struggle with what is fair 
> for 
> her - to stay with us where we love her so much, but her space is limited or 
> to 
> find her a home where she can have more space and possibly time with her 
> owners.  If she stays with us in our bedroom, should we still vaccinate our 
> other cats as a precaution?
> 
> Any thoughts or experience anyone has on either of these issues would be 
> greatly 
> appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> Stephanie
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] LTCI

[Gloria Lane]

Impressive! I'd like to know more.

Thanks for posting your info

Gloria

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On Dec 9, 2010, at 9:48 AM, Hotmail Junk  wrote:

> My cat was diagnosed 2 years ago with the same thing. He went on an 
> aggressive therapy of Interferon and LTCI with good results. He now test 
> negative, however, with being on Prednisolone, it may just be hiding. My 
> story is a very long one, with a lot of history! You are welcome to email me 
> at cstet...@hotmail.com
> 
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> On Dec 9, 2010, at 7:34 AM, Sharon Fazio  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I want to introduce myself and my very beautiful Ragdoll kitten Kelsea who
>> tested positive for FeLV in the bone marrow ( I know it is not a good thing)
>> .  Kelsea was diagnose with FeLV about 8 weeks ago.  Right now she is doing
>> wonderful on the treatment plan her vet has her on, which includes
>> Interferon, Atopic and a steroid.  She was on dimethylgycine to build up her
>> red blood cells, she has been off the dimethlgycine for about two weeks now.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> At this point all her all her blood work is normal.  She is putting on
>> weight; over 2 pounds since her diagnoses. To look at this little one you
>> would not even know she was sick. : )
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I’m hoping someone could let me know anything about LTCI.  I’m not thinking
>> about change Kelsea’s med now, since she is doing so well.  I would just
>> like a little more information on LTCI. i.e. what kind of success has it had
>> in FeLV.  I am also wondering what are the chances the FeLV will go into
>> remission if it is in the bone marrow? Kelsea’s vet tell me that the chances
>> are very low, but I just need to know if it has happen to anyone out there.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Many Purrr to all,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Kelsea and Sharon ( Kelsea’s Mom)
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Re: [Felvtalk] FeLv alternative treatment

[Gloria Lane]

Thanks that's interesting , glad to know  that. 

Gloria

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On Dec 13, 2010, at 9:26 AM, Heather  wrote:

> On the cancer list I heard of a product called ES Clear, it has Slippery
> Elm,  Chinese Rhubarb and a couple of other ingredients.  Several have
> indicated they felt it helped their kitties quality of life--it is indicated
> for cancer, but, mentioning in case it might have general use (since I'm
> sure it's not actually a cure for cancer).
> 
> On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Natalie  wrote:
> 
>> So far, I have come across only these alternatives from Dr. McDougall.
>> 
>> Hasn't someone posted some herbal stuff, a tonic, a few months ago?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.herbal-treatments.net/alternative-cat-treatments/leukemia-virus-f
>> elv.html  - at the very bottom, herbal treatments are suggested. You can
>> contact them regarding these herbs; I have.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.catconnection.net/care/flv.php  - very basic info on FeLV
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Natalie
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Re: [Felvtalk] Newbie

[Gloria Lane]

Also wonderful to know about-thanks!

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On Dec 13, 2010, at 10:14 AM, MaiMaiPG  wrote:

> Betty Boswell is my all time pick.  502-499-9663.  She is in Louisville.  
> Susan Maier (Horizon) is in Simpsonville.  Susan studied under Betty.  Both 
> have DVM's but have chosen to practice holistic medicine.  I drive to 
> Louisville (120 miles one way) to take my critters to Middletown Animal 
> Hospital 502-245-9311.  All of the vets there are the greatest and celebrated 
> when I took death off the table when I took Dixie to them.
> 
> Needless to say, I consider all of these people worth my time and Frankfort 
> is a lot closer.   Betty and MAC have evening hours.
> 
> If you chose to take your little ones, mention that Marylyn sent you.
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> 
> On Dec 13, 2010, at 6:57 AM, Katy Doyle wrote:
> 
>> Sorry, hit send before I was ready..,
>> 
>> I'm in Frankfort and I am very interested in seeing a holistic vet.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Dec 12, 2010, at 11:39 PM, MaiMaiPG  wrote:
>> 
>>> Where in Kentucky are you?  I ask because I live there and have a holistic 
>>> vet that consults by phone if you can't get to the office.  She uses 
>>> supplements that helped with Dixie's quality of life and have helped with 
>>> Copper, Thomas and Bob.  Copper and Thomas are negative but came from a 
>>> pine thicket where the hawks were waiting for them to get a little bigger 
>>> before they invited them to dinner.
>>> On Dec 12, 2010, at 9:28 PM, Katy Doyle wrote:
>>> 
 Hey, I just wanted to introduce myself. I am Katy and I have two FeLV+ 
 cats. I live in Kentucky.
 
 I have worked in animal rescue for about a year and a half, since I 
 graduated college in 2009. I found a 5-week old kitten, Buddy, abandoned 
 in a gulley next to a parking lot, summer of '09. He tested positive for 
 the FeLV blood test and tested positive again several months later.
 
 He is very healthy and is very playful. I felt very bad that he was alone 
 all the time, when I saw on one of my animal rescue networks that another 
 FeLV+ cat needed a home. So I took her in, het name is Chloe.
 
 So far, they are healthy and active. The only way I can tell that they 
 have FeLV is that they test positive and they get sick easily.
 
 Vets in area told me to put them asleep now, even though they are healthy. 
 Small town vets don't seem to be very educated on the FeLV subject.
 
 Reading all the emails lately have given me a lot of hope and I really 
 appreciate this email list. Thanks for sharing your experiences!
 
 ---Katy
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] strains?

[Gloria Lane]

I've never heard of a test for subgroups but they just have it..

Hey from my baby Shakespeare! He's a sweetie !

Gloria

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On Dec 25, 2010, at 2:03 PM, Emeraldkittee  wrote:

> 
> " I sometimes wonder what subgroup/strain they were, and what my present 
> FELV's are.  I've got a great picture of them on a bed with my non-FELV, 
> Shakespeare, just chillin and looking great"
>  
>  
> Hi Gloria,
>  
> Do you know if there is a way to test for the strain? I never heard of it at 
> a regular vet, but there must be some way?  I, too, wonder the same thing.  I 
> also wonder if mixing subgroups makes a difference to each others' health - 
> ie, if a kitty with a weaker strain is mixed with a more agressive one, will 
> this effect him?  so much we don't know.
>  
> I have a Shakespeare, too!! He's my FIV boy. :)
>  
> Shannon
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

[Gloria Lane]

We neuter young I think it's 3 pounds. Not all vets do that though. 

Gloria

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On Dec 27, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Peggy Verdonck  
wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Just a quick question. At what age do you guys have your male kittens
> neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten (not sure exactly, found him at
> a gas station).
> We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and I was thinking to have him
> neutered at the same time because it would save us a lot of money.
> He is a strong and healthy guy and both his testicals are showing already.
> 
> Thanks for any replies,
> 
> Peggy
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Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

[Gloria Lane]

Right our vet does 2 lb 2 mo for boys also and later for girls.  We never have 
problems with the early neuter but like someone said *not all vets do it* - not 
all are experienced at doing it. So probably good to get one who's done it 
before and you trust.

Gloria

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On Dec 27, 2010, at 12:23 PM, Susan Hoffman  wrote:

> We do them at 2 pounds/2 months in northern California.  With the girls we 
> may wait till they are closer to 3 pounds though.
> 
> Cats can start going into heat at 4-1/2 months.  And with the boys, the 
> sooner they are neutered the less likely they are to become sprayers.  If you 
> are planning on adopting the little guy out I would suggest fixing him as 
> soon as possible.  If he turns into a sprayer he will really not be adoptable 
> to an indoor only home.
> 
> --- On Mon, 12/27/10, Kelley Saveika  wrote:
> 
>> From: Kelley Saveika 
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 9:52 AM
>> We do ours at 6 months; our vet will
>> not do them before that, and from what
>> I've read about the bad possible side effects of early s/n
>> in dogs I can't
>> blame him.
>> 
>> On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Edna Taylor 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> My vet prefers for them to weigh 3-4 pounds before
>> surgery (usually 16
>>> weeks)
>>> 
>>>> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 11:33:58 -0500
>>>> From: athenapities...@gmail.com
>>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
>>>> 
>>>> Many of the vets I use with rescues want the
>> kitten to weigh 2 pounds,
>>> age
>>>> doesn't matter.
>>>> 
>>>> --Katy
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Peggy Verdonck
>> <
>>>> jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Just a quick question. At what age do you
>> guys have your male kittens
>>>>> neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten
>> (not sure exactly, found
>>> him at
>>>>> a gas station).
>>>>> We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and
>> I was thinking to have him
>>>>> neutered at the same time because it would
>> save us a lot of money.
>>>>> He is a strong and healthy guy and both his
>> testicals are showing
>>> already.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks for any replies,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Peggy
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>> 
>> http://www.rescuties.org
>> 
>> Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life!
>> 
>> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20
>> 
>> http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*
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>> 
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>> 
>> "And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal
>> lovers they
>> can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the
>> animals, that they
>> should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to
>> continue."
>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries

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Certainly not all sanctuaries are in the "bad" category and good folks start 
them with good intentions and plans and can be successful.  

But any place your cats move, they will have to make an adjustment. They're 
probably not used to quantities of cats.  Check out the options in your local 
area, and ask what the procedure is when they take in and care for cats.  And 
for vet care-do they have a vet associated with thir facility? What is the age 
of the person running the facility and what are their future plans? Are your 
cats outdoor cats?  I think Caboodle Ranch is all outdoor cats. 

Just some thoughts-

Gloria

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> On 02-24, Susan Hoffman wrote:
> 
>> This is the problem with most "sanctuaries."  It's a flawed
>> business model.  A "sanctuary" by definition offers lifetime care
>> So they fill up fast and, as the population ages, become more and
>> more expensive to maintain.  And usually the people who try to
>> start sanctuaries keep taking in new animals, sometimes because
>> they need the surrender fee to keep the operation running and
>> sometimes because they simply have a hard time saying "no." This is
>> just not a sustainable model.
> 
> I've been looking at on-line sanctuaries because we are old now,
> (78 and 88) and I need a place for my cats to go when we depart
> this earth.
> 
> Do any of you know about Caboodle Ranch in northern Florida??
> It looks great on line, but could still be pretty bad as they
> certainly won't be taking pictures that make it look anything less
> than wonderful!
> 
> They only charge $150. per cat, and say they have no limit as to
> the number they can take and this raises a red flag to me.
> 
> If any of you people in the northern Florida area have any info
> about Caboodle please let me know.
> 
> Lorrie  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries

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They creep me out too. Heard about them taking cats/kittens in North Carolina 
and Virginia, saying they'd find them homes, then euthing them and tossing in 
the garbage. 

Gloria 

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On Feb 26, 2011, at 3:01 AM, dana giordano  wrote:

> I like hearng about people's experiences on this
> sanctuary/shelter/will/caretaker sort of thing. It's very illuminating.
> 
> And I just have to say,  well said Kelley on the PETA thing. They creep me
> out!
> 
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> 
> 
> On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 11:52 PM, Kelley Saveika  wrote:
> 
>> As far as the original article goes, it was an article by PETA, which I
>> trust about as far as I can kick a plastic grocery bag (not far, have you
>> ever tried it)?
>> 
>> PETA operates a "shelter" with a 97% kill rate and had employees caught
>> disposing of animal carcasses in dumpsters after having gone to other
>> shelters and gotten the animals out and promised to find them homes.  They
>> were not charged with cruelty but were fined for illegal dumping or
>> something of that nature.
>> 
>> Ingrid Newkirk has advocated killing animals as a means to not having to
>> worry about them.
>> 
>> PETA believes we should not have house pets and should just enjoy looking
>> at
>> animals from a distance.
>> 
>> They gave President Obama a humane fly trap since they saw him kill a fly
>> on
>> TV.
>> 
>> I think they are nutty as fruit cakes.
>> 
>> On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Kelley Saveika 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> The IRS has gotten rid of the advanced ruling period.
>>> 
>>> http://www.irs.gov/charities/charitable/article/0,,id=185568,00.html
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Natalie  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I don't know what the requirement is to qualify as a "sanctuary" or the
>>>> number of animals in care (probably none), the most important ruling is
>>>> being publicly and NOT privately supported.  There's a one year advance
>>>> ruling period, in which you must prove that there was support from the
>>>> public, then one is granted permanent status.
>>>> I always question the word "sanctuary" - Audubon has opened their
>>>> sanctuaries in many places to bowhunting...some sanctuary!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 
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>> 
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>> 
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>> 
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>> 
>> http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*
>> 
>> Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties!
>> http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties
>> 
>> Please help Trooper!
>> 
>> http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper
>> 
>> 
>> "And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they
>> can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they
>> should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue."
>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] PETA

[Gloria Lane]

I agree. I do think they serve a useful purpose on other areas. Guess they like 
flies.  But with cats, they're crazy folks.

Gloria


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On Feb 26, 2011, at 7:33 AM, Lorrie  wrote:

> Kelley,  Thanks for reminding us about PETA. I used to give them
> donations, but when I found out what they did to cats I never gave
> them another cent, and I've tried to spread the word about all the
> cats they kill.  I suppose they do some good in other areas, but cats
> certainly get the worst treatment imaginable, and I also agree they
> are nutty as fruit cakes when it comes to flies.. I read about
> the humane fly trap they sent Pres. Obama... How can they
> consider the lives of flies more valuable than the lives of cats!!
> 
> Lorrie
> 
>> On 02-25, Kelley Saveika wrote:  As far as the original article
>> goes, it was an article by PETA, which I > trust about as far as I
>> can kick a plastic grocery bag (not far, have you > ever tried it)?
>> PETA operates a "shelter" with a 97% kill rate and had employees caught 
>> disposing of animal carcasses in dumpsters after having gone to
>> other shelters and gotten the animals out and promised to find them homes.
>> They  were not charged with cruelty but were fined for illegal dumping or
>> something of that nature.
>> 
>> Ingrid Newkirk has advocated killing animals as a means to not having to
>> worry about them.
>> 
>> PETA believes we should not have house pets and should just enjoy
>> looking at animals from a distance.
>> 
>> They gave President Obama a humane fly trap since they saw him kill
>> a fly on TV.
>> 
>> I think they are nutty as fruit cakes.
>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats........

[Gloria Lane]

We provide the same vet care to all adult cats regardless of the age. I don't 
find the seniors to cost more, but of course most folks don't want to adopt a 
pet that has a clearly limited short lifespan.

Gloria

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On Feb 28, 2011, at 3:54 PM, katskat1  wrote:

> Oh?  Is this a nation-wide requirement or certain areas? And for
> senior animals only? I never heard that in my neck of the woods and
> have rescued and found homes for many dogs and several cats.  Of
> course, they are usually younger and are always fully vetted before I
> take them out for Adoption Days but.
> 
> Dental required?  I have never done dental stuff for any of my
> animals.I occasionally brush dogs teeth if they have tartar but
> make sure they eat and chew the right stuff so that isn't a problem.
> Cats the same.  Never had an animal that had a bad tooth needing
> extraction and I have had a boat load of animals.  Am I missing
> something?  Where are these requirements in place?  And just for older
> animals?
> 
> My one senior kitty has a senior blood panel once a year.  All the
> rest who aren't positives have std vaccinations including for FeLV
> annually.
> 
> This gets more and more difficult when all you want to do is love them
> and let them live out their lives in happiness and peace.
> 
> K
> 
> On 2/28/11, Susan Hoffman  wrote:
>> What makes the $500/$1000 inadequate is that, from a rescue standpoint,
>> older animals have to be fully vetted before they can be listed for
>> adoption.  That includes dental which is so expensive.  Adopters are
>> reluctant to take on older or special needs animals because they are afraid
>> of the cost.  Now, if the animals are current on cleanings and extractions
>> and have recent senior blood panels then that makes all the difference.
>> 
>> --- On Mon, 2/28/11, katskat1  wrote:
>> 
>>> From: katskat1 
>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats
>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>> Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 1:35 PM
>>> Some great ideas/questions!
>>> Thank you all and keep them coming.
>>> 
>>> Right now I am on unemployment and will eventually start
>>> receiving a
>>> small retirement amt each month that will barely pay the
>>> mortgage and
>>> food so realizing the $500/$1000 was so totally inadequate
>>> - which I
>>> should have known - was a set back I will have to deal
>>> with.  I guess
>>> I was thinking it would be a bridge until the care-taker
>>> could find
>>> forever homes for them.  That, of course, leads to
>>> another concern
>>> about how to be sure the care-taker could be trusted to
>>> find good
>>> homes..
>>> 
>>> Not sure about those on-line fund raising sites someone
>>> suggested..beg for money?  I don't think I would
>>> give money to a
>>> stranger on line with no real info as to where it will
>>> really go so
>>> why would I expect anyone else to do so?  Sounds
>>> strange.
>>> 
>>> I like the idea of someone moving into house but who would
>>> oversee
>>> that person to make sure the animals are receiving the care
>>> they
>>> should? My few remaining relatives live many states away
>>> and are
>>> within a few years of my age or older. What happens to the
>>> person/house after the animals alive at the time of my
>>> death are no
>>> longer living? Maybe as part of the will the house and
>>> property could
>>> revert to a rescue site?  Yikes!  How to do that
>>> with zoning laws and
>>> all And I would have to be sure the house could be
>>> paid for at
>>> my death ARGHH...
>>> 
>>> I wish I knew a way to find an attorney I could trust to be
>>> familiar
>>> with these types of situations AND share my love for these
>>> furry kids.
>>> Maybe listed in the yellow pages under "Attorneys - Animal
>>> Trusts"???
>>> or something?  ;-)  And would be willing and able
>>> to do it without
>>> charging an arm and a leg.  Sigh.
>>> 
>>> So much to think about.
>>> 
>>> Keep the ideas coming.. And thank you all.
>>> 
>>> Kat
>>> 
>>> On 2/26/11, Peggy Verdonck 
>>> wrote:
>>>> I'm so glad my family knows how important my cats and
>>> other pets are to me!
>>>> Most

Re: [Felvtalk] MaryChristine

[Gloria Lane]

Not that I know of, Sharyl, but think we'll hear from her as soon as she's able 
to email.   She said she has a little netbook that she took with her. Thanks!  

Gloria

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On Mar 12, 2011, at 3:35 PM, Sharyl  wrote:

> Thanks for the update Gloria.  MC is a real asset on all the FeLV groups.  
> Sending well wishes her way.  Is there anythign we can do?  
> 
> Sharyl
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: "dlg...@windstream.net" 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Cc: Gloria B. Lane 
> Sent: Sat, March 12, 2011 4:30:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] MaryChristine
> 
> Just know Mary Christine thru this group.  Got her on my church prayer list.
>  "Gloria B. Lane"  wrote: 
>> Just fyi, for those who know MaryChristine  - she had heart bypass  
>> surgery on Monday, over yonder in New York State.  The update from a  
>> friend of hers says that she's out of intensive care, now in a regular  
>> room, and doing well.
>> 
>> Gloria
>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] MaryChristine

[Gloria Lane]

That's very much appreciated, I know! I know her from this and other lists, but 
for quite a few years now.  She's in New York, I'm in Arkansas. So nice 
connecting w folks all over. 

Gloria

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On Mar 12, 2011, at 3:30 PM,  wrote:

> Just know Mary Christine thru this group.  Got her on my church prayer list.
>  "Gloria B. Lane"  wrote: 
>> Just fyi, for those who know MaryChristine  - she had heart bypass  
>> surgery on Monday, over yonder in New York State.  The update from a  
>> friend of hers says that she's out of intensive care, now in a regular  
>> room, and doing well.
>> 
>> Gloria
>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Any advice appreciated.

[Gloria Lane]

I'd say don't worry about it. I just don't think it's that contagious. I mix 
mine.

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On Mar 14, 2011, at 6:59 PM, Maureen Olvey  wrote:

> 
> I foster cats and kittens for my local humane society.  Last week a 2 year 
> old kitty died.  She tested positive for FeLV.  I got her as a kitten and at 
> that time she tested negative.  I have got quite a few cats that have been 
> living with me as long as she has been with me.  They all share the same food 
> bowls and litterboxes.  None are vaccinated against FeLV since every cat or 
> kitten that comes into my house has been tested first.  It terrified me when 
> I found out she had been positive, especially since I have a 5 month old 
> kitten that has been living with me since he was 8 weeks old.  Today I had 
> him and an older kitten that is about 8 months old tested at the vet's 
> office.  The older kitten has been with me since he was about 12 weeks old.  
> They both came out negative.  A couple weeks ago I had an adult that had been 
> with me almost as long as the FeLV cat was with me and she tested negative as 
> well.  So, I tell you this Jannes to confirm what the others have said 
> because it shows that not all cats contract FeLV and there is no need to 
> panic right now.  The vet felt that since those kittens and the cat that I 
> had tested had been exposed to FeLV for so long that if they were going to 
> get it they would have already gotten it.  Especially the cat that had lived 
> at my house with the FeLV + cat for a year and a half.
> 
> A friend of mine has also had 3 or 4 FeLV positive cats living alongside her 
> healthy cats for years.  She gets her healthy cats vaccinated against FeLV 
> and they have never contracted the disease from the FeLV cats.  I would 
> vaccinate your healthy cats now and let the FeLV + cat run around the 
> basement and if she tests negative in a few months or test negative with the 
> ELISA and IFA test I would let her in the rest of the house with the other 
> cats.  But, that's what I would do, not necessarily what you should do.  
> Actually, I would trust the vaccine and after your healthy cats get their 
> vaccination (it takes a series of two shots the first time) then I'd let all 
> three hang together.  But it's your cats and you have to make that decision.
> 
> 
> 
> “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
> profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
> unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
> sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
> 
> 
> 
>> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 14:26:53 -0700
>> From: jgonza...@pacbell.net
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Any advice appreciated.
>> 
>> I realize now that I did not address the concern you posted about.  I felt 
>> the need to educate you about the testing protocol for FELV because I would 
>> hate to see you cage a cat for 3 months that may not even be infected with 
>> the virus.  You cannot consider a cat persistently viremic until they test 
>> positive on the IFA test.  
>> 
>> If it turns out the cat you rescued is really FELV positive, she is not 
>> going to transmit the virus to your other cats through some chance 
>> encounter.  It would take prolonged contact with your other cats to infect 
>> them with the virus.  Even if they had prolonged contact, it does not mean 
>> your other cats would get the virus.  Some cats are able to build an immune 
>> response and fight off the virus.  I rescued a cat over the summer that 
>> tested positive on the combo snap test and the ELISA test but tested 
>> negative on the IFA.  Thirty days later, he tested negative on the snap 
>> test, the ELISA test and continued to test negative on the IFA test.  As a 
>> precaution, we tested again 30 days later, and he continued to test negative 
>> on all three tests.  His body built an immune defense and fought off the 
>> virus
>> 
>> --- On Mon, 3/14/11, Jannes Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> From: Jannes Taylor 
>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Any advice appreciated.
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Date: Monday, March 14, 2011, 1:50 PM
>> 
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I rescued a stray two weeks ago. Took her to the vet a week ago and they 
>> said 
>> she was FELV positive. She was starving when I found her, but she has gained 
>> weight and is looking good. Her eyes just glisten and she seems healthy. The 
>> vet 
>> said she was about a year old. She only weighed six pounds last week. I did 
>> not 
>> have the heart to euthanize her when she is not suffering.  However, I have 
>> three healthy cats upstairs and I live in constant fear that they will 
>> escape to 
>> the basement where this cat we now call Amber is staying. I keep her in a 
>> nice 
>> cage during most of the time and let her out to get her exercise in the 
>> basement 
>> about four hours per day. My husband is building her a 8

Re: [Felvtalk] Any advice appreciated.

[Gloria Lane]

I've always spay/neutered mine- No problems. Except one Felv girl I have, who 
has seizures, and I have not had her spayed. Year or two old. She just seems so 
fragile I couldn't put her thru it. Doesn't seem to have heat cycles, if so 
very mild and unnoticeable. 

Gloria

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On Mar 15, 2011, at 2:19 PM, Jannes Taylor  wrote:

> I feel like I must be very cautious until I know for sure where we stand 
> after 
> the restesting. I do appreciate your story and do not feel as nervous about 
> the 
> situation as I did. This has certainly been a learning experience for me. I 
> have 
> loved cats all my life and try to spoil them as much as I can. It makes me 
> feel 
> good to see Amber get all the food she wants and I hear her purr. It is sad 
> she 
> has lost her freedom but I hope to be able to give her a good life.
> BTW, Do you think I should have her spayed or wait until after the 
> restesting? 
> My husband questions whether we should ever her spayed since she can't get 
> out. 
>  Jannes 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Gloria Lane 
> To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
> Sent: Mon, March 14, 2011 7:04:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Any advice appreciated.
> 
> I'd say don't worry about it. I just don't think it's that contagious. I mix 
> mine.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Mar 14, 2011, at 6:59 PM, Maureen Olvey  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I foster cats and kittens for my local humane society.  Last week a 2 year 
>> old 
>> kitty died.  She tested positive for FeLV.  I got her as a kitten and at 
>> that 
>> time she tested negative.  I have got quite a few cats that have been living 
>> with me as long as she has been with me.  They all share the same food bowls 
>> and 
>> litterboxes.  None are vaccinated against FeLV since every cat or kitten 
>> that 
>> comes into my house has been tested first.  It terrified me when I found out 
>> she 
>> had been positive, especially since I have a 5 month old kitten that has 
>> been 
>> living with me since he was 8 weeks old.  Today I had him and an older 
>> kitten 
>> that is about 8 months old tested at the vet's office.  The older kitten has 
>> been with me since he was about 12 weeks old.  They both came out negative.  
>> A 
>> couple weeks ago I had an adult that had been with me almost as long as the 
>> FeLV 
>> cat was with me and she tested negative as well.  So, I tell you this Jannes 
>> to 
>> confirm what the others have said because it shows that not all cats 
>> contract 
>> FeLV and there is no need to panic right now.  The vet felt that since those 
>> kittens and the cat that I had tested had been exposed to FeLV for so long 
>> that 
>> if they were going to get it they would have already gotten it.  Especially 
>> the 
>> cat that had lived at my house with the FeLV + cat for a year and a half.
>> 
>> A friend of mine has also had 3 or 4 FeLV positive cats living alongside her 
>> healthy cats for years.  She gets her healthy cats vaccinated against FeLV 
>> and 
>> they have never contracted the disease from the FeLV cats.  I would 
>> vaccinate 
>> your healthy cats now and let the FeLV + cat run around the basement and if 
>> she 
>> tests negative in a few months or test negative with the ELISA and IFA test 
>> I 
>> would let her in the rest of the house with the other cats.  But, that's 
>> what I 
>> would do, not necessarily what you should do.  Actually, I would trust the 
>> vaccine and after your healthy cats get their vaccination (it takes a series 
>> of 
>> two shots the first time) then I'd let all three hang together.  But it's 
>> your 
>> cats and you have to make that decision.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
>> profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
>> unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
>> sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 14:26:53 -0700
>>> From: jgonza...@pacbell.net
>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Any advice appreciated.
>>> 
>>> I realize now that I did not address the concern you posted about.  I felt 
>>> the 
>>> need to educate you about the testing protocol for FELV because I would 
>>> hate to 
>>> see you cage a cat

Re: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice

[Gloria Lane]

That's a good point about vets - some vets are not into cats so don't know much 
about them aNd dont keep up.

Gloria


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On Mar 16, 2011, at 9:05 AM, Jannes Taylor  wrote:

> Actually it was a young (early twenties) vet who didn't even know what an IFA 
> test was. He had to go "read up" about FeLV when I was there. He did tell me 
> he 
> was not a "cat person." He was the new kid on the block with the four other 
> vets 
> who are in the same office. Unreal!!
> I took one of my other cats to the clinic last Saturday for her yearly 
> check-up/vaccines and thank God I saw the vet I like and have seen the most 
> of 
> during the last 8 years. He was sympathetic, but he was extremely concered 
> about 
> exposing my other cats. I do think he would put her down if it was up to him. 
> However, he did not come out and actually say that. It was just the 
> impression I 
> got.
> I do think I will take Amber to see another vet who is recommened to me when 
> I 
> take her back for retesting. He has his own cat just roaming around in his 
> office during the day. I bet he is a cat person! 
>  Jannes 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: TANYA NOE 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 8:24:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice
> 
> I agree with Diane, any vet who recommends euthanasia because a cat is FeLV, 
> and 
> for that reason only is not only ignorant but very uneducated in the most 
> recent 
> research out there. A lot of the younger vets tend to be a bit more up to 
> date 
> and more sympathetic to FeLV cats.
> When we found out that our Maggie was positive (we had her snap tested before 
> we 
> got her but the clinic did a "batch test" where they took blood from all 4 
> kittens, mixed it together and then pulled the 3 drops needed from the 
> mixture). 
> I was not aware of this or never would have allowed that to happen. Maggie's 
> FeLV was too diluted to show positive and her 3 siblings were neg. We did not 
> find out she was POS until a few months later when she became symptomatic and 
> we 
> retested again and also did an IFA. We decided to keep her which the vets 
> there 
> were very disapproving of. They believed that all FeLV cats should be 
> destroyed 
> so that we could eradicate the disease. While I agree with eradicating the 
> disease, my little Maggie isn't spreading her disease anywhere as my indoor 
> kitty. 
> 
> Our other kitty is vaccinated against FeLV and we do not keep them separated. 
> We 
> count on the vaccine and the natural immunities cats develop as they age to 
> keep 
> Sasha safe, and so far so good. We made the decision to mix after talking to 
> everyone on here and getting their advice first too.
> Good luck with what ever you do.
> Tanya
> 
> --- On Tue, 3/15/11, Diane Rosenfeldt  wrote:
> 
>> From: Diane Rosenfeldt 
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Date: Tuesday, March 15, 2011, 7:31 PM
>> Wow, Jannes. The vet advocating
>> euthanization is a warning sign not to let
>> him/her treat this particular cat. She is obviously not up
>> to date on the
>> latest research and you need all the knowledge you can get
>> to maintain
>> Amber's good health. You might consider calling around to
>> different vets and
>> see what their feeling is about FeLV care. If you know of
>> some vets who
>> treat shelter cats, they may be a good place to start
>> because they will have
>> encountered it before. 
>> 
>> Best of luck with Amber. I personally hope you choose to
>> vaccinate the
>> others and let her commingle, but that's me and not you.
>> ;-)
>> 
>> Diane R.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
>> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
>> On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 9:55 AM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice
>> 
>> I want to thank everyone who responded about my post
>> regarding Amber, my
>> FeLV positive cat.
>> I have been feeling a little guilty about risking the
>> health of my other
>> cats from some chance encounter with Amber. I still plan
>> to be cautious but
>> do feel less stressed about it.
>> I have done a lot of research on the web, but there is
>> nothing like being
>> able to get advice from folks who have experienced this
>> situation.
>> The vet leaned toward 

Re: PLease...need HELP - long, sorry

[Gloria Lane]

GOOD POINT!On Nov 6, 2006, at 1:17 PM, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn wrote: I've personally SEEN a kitten with bad flea anemia bounce back in minutes with a transfusion. Don't just assume it's the FELV just because he HAS FELV, you're writing off all other possibilities based on a FELV test result, without seeking other explanations. Phaewryn   Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost Spay&Neuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html   - Original Message -   From:   Susan   Loesch   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 1:09   PM  Subject: Re: PLease...need HELP - long,   sorry  Thanks, Kelly.  Have you ever had or heard of a kitty   coming back from a  7 hematocrit?    kelly   <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>   wrote:   At 09:47 AM 11/6/2006, you wrote:With a crit of 7 I think stress may be secondary. I would do the transfusion and try to buy a bit of time...go from there.KellyDoes anybody have any   ideas?  Susan(who wrote a message today) has a critical situation   with her FELV baby Valley - a beautiful flame point Siamese.  Didn't   want to miss out on any suggestions, as it was a long message.    Thanks - GloriaOn Nov 6, 2006, at 11:12 AM, Susan Loesch   wrote:...  And now Valley - please put him on the special needs list - I need prayers or meditation or chanting or whatever you believe in -- for a remission for the feleuk crisis he is in.  He is another of my "library cats" who comes to work with me.  He was a rescue from a kill shelter about 5 years ago - he was 1 or 2 at the time.  Feleuk positive.  Looked like death warmed over but once fattened up has been so healthy that I had him retested last year to see if he'd reverted to neg. He began losing weight about 2 weeks ago - gums pale as snow.  Blood work shows a hematocrit of 7 - almost not compatible with life.  He is still somewhat active - gets off the bed to go to the litterbox and sometimes to the rest of the house.  Will eat if I put food in front of him.  His vet thought we could  get a remission until the blood work came back.   He is getting raw liver, Clindamycin, 5mg pred every day, PetTinic, interferon.  I have immunoregulin and could try that.   I asked about Epogen and the way my vet explained it is that with feline leukemia, where the bone marrow is basically "dead" and not going to produce red cells, to give Epogen would be like knocking on the door when nobody is home.   We decided against blood transfusions due to the stress and the short term result.   Does anyone have any ideas? I apologize for the length of this.  Thanks for reading.No virus found in this incoming   message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.409 / Virus   Database: 268.13.29/520 - Release Date: 11/6/2006  No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free   Edition.Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.28/518 - Release Date:   11/4/2006No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.28/518 - Release Date: 11/4/2006 

Re: What is FIP?

[Gloria Lane]

For rescue cats, those in the house or facility have all likely been exposed to the corona viruses anyhow.  As I understand it, and please correct me if I'm wrong, the one particular variety of corona virus has to be present and it mutates into a form that causes FIP, possibly due to stress and/or sanitation and/or genetic makeup.   FIP itself isn't contagious, just the various varieties of the corona virus that initiate it.GloriaOn Nov 8, 2006, at 1:35 PM, Leslie Lawther wrote:Dr. Addie used to recommend 6 months before bringing in another cat or kitten.  But, I believe there are many different strains of FCoV... so one strain is not necessarily like another.   Leslie =^..^=  On 11/8/06, TenHouseCats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  i've also seen that 3 weeks is a long enough time for not bringing in a cat, and that if the cat came from a shelter or any other multi-cat environment, there's no point in isolating since it's probably only been exposed before it came to you.    i haven't actually seen info re: whether the FCoV is actually even still present in an FIP cat--since there are lots of cases where cats presumed to have FIP show no abnormal titre levels. so even tho FCoV may be a longer-lived virus, i'm not sure that's the issue      On 11/8/06, Gary Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:   Hi Elizabeth, glad it was helpful.  One thing I forgot to mention is that FCoV is a longer-lived virus.  Unlike FeLV, it can remain alive outside of a cat's body for at least many weeks.  I've read that a new kitten/cat should not be aquired for about 7 weeks after an FIP death, just in case it is was particularly virulent strain of FCoV.  Wiping down hard surfaces with a bleach solution is supposed to kill it.  I tossed the soft toys and litterpan.  My Ally's room was in desperate need of work, when she passed I washed everything down, painted walls,ceiling, trim, and put in a new laminate floor, and still waited 2 months to let the others in.  Probably silly, as I likely tracked the virus around the rest of the house while I was caring for her anyway...    Head-butts to Antonio, Beth   PS:  I would love to see that picture of the opossums if you get a chance.  Email is [EMAIL PROTECTED]   Thanks!      Beth, Thank you for this explanation.  I didn't have a  good understanding of FIP and this has been very helpful.   elizabeth       -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors!Maybe That'll Make The DifferenceMaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892 -- Leslie =^..^=To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.  That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson

Re: What is FIP?

[Gloria Lane]

I think you're right, they haven't narrowed it down to one variety yet.  I also read where it's not any more common in pure-breds than in alley cats.GloriaOn Nov 8, 2006, at 2:16 PM, TenHouseCats wrote:i don't think that they've identified WHICH variety of FCoV yet, have they??? if they have, why can't they culture for it/run a specific titre just on that strain, and save so many of us so much agony? (only partially kidding.)    i'm still unclear on whether stress or genetics CAUSE the mutation--could the predisposition for mutation be there genetically and be triggered by stress? and i haven't seen any real evidence that sanitation or lack thereof is truly a causative agent--that it was ASSUMED to be, back when FIP was thought to be contagious i know that dr addie talks a lot about that, but not so much about the genetic info that's coming out--and in a breeding situation, or multi-cat one, if FIP is going through the place, sanitation is a good place to start--but in a cattery, of course, or anywhere else with family groups, the genetic component could well be the most important element      On 11/8/06, Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  For rescue cats, those in the house or facility have all likely been exposed to the corona viruses anyhow.  As I understand it, and please correct me if I'm wrong, the one particular variety of corona virus has to be present and it mutates into a form that causes FIP, possibly due to stress and/or sanitation and/or genetic makeup.   FIP itself isn't contagious, just the various varieties of the corona virus that initiate it.   Gloria    On Nov 8, 2006, at 1:35 PM, Leslie Lawther wrote:  Dr. Addie used to recommend 6 months before bringing in another cat or kitten.  But, I believe there are many different strains of FCoV... so one strain is not necessarily like another.   Leslie =^..^=  On 11/8/06, TenHouseCats <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:  i've also seen that 3 weeks is a long enough time for not bringing in a cat, and that if the cat came from a shelter or any other multi-cat environment, there's no point in isolating since it's probably only been exposed before it came to you.    i haven't actually seen info re: whether the FCoV is actually even still present in an FIP cat--since there are lots of cases where cats presumed to have FIP show no abnormal titre levels. so even tho FCoV may be a longer-lived virus, i'm not sure that's the issue      On 11/8/06, Gary Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:   Hi Elizabeth, glad it was helpful.  One thing I forgot to mention is that FCoV is a longer-lived virus.  Unlike FeLV, it can remain alive outside of a cat's body for at least many weeks.  I've read that a new kitten/cat should not be aquired for about 7 weeks after an FIP death, just in case it is was particularly virulent strain of FCoV.  Wiping down hard surfaces with a bleach solution is supposed to kill it.  I tossed the soft toys and litterpan.  My Ally's room was in desperate need of work, when she passed I washed everything down, painted walls,ceiling, trim, and put in a new laminate floor, and still waited 2 months to let the others in.  Probably silly, as I likely tracked the virus around the rest of the house while I was caring for her anyway...    Head-butts to Antonio, Beth   PS:  I would love to see that picture of the opossums if you get a chance.  Email is [EMAIL PROTECTED]   Thanks!      Beth, Thank you for this explanation.  I didn't have a  good understanding of FIP and this has been very helpful.   elizabeth       -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors!Maybe That'll Make The DifferenceMaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892 -- Leslie =^..^=To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.  That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors!Maybe That'll Make The DifferenceMaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892

Re: Lucy very sick again

[Gloria Lane]

Has she been on Lysine?  Prayers coming for Lucy... Gloria

On Nov 8, 2006, at 11:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I know she must seem like a yoyo or rollercoaster at this point,  
but please say prayers for Lucy.  She has been extremely lethargic  
since yesterday and today only ate 1/2 a jar of baby food.  She is  
a bit stuffed up and her nose is a little bubbly, so I am hoping it  
is just the cold she has not shaken. I have a vet aptmt tomorrow at  
1 to get her an I-R shot.  She had some blood on her bowels today  
too.  I am hoping that she just has not shaken the cold and it is  
bothering her, and that the change to baby food and getting cold  
meds is just irritating her IBD.  But she has some weird things,  
too. Like if I pet her head or kiss it in certain spots where I  
usually do, she closes one eye and keeps it closed for a while like  
something is wrong with it. About 1/2 hour ago she also pawed at  
her eye like it was hurting right after I pet her.  It makes me  
worry there is something like a tumor in her head or something. Has  
anyone seen this symptom related to a cold, or to anything else?


She came off clavamox after only 4 days due to it giving her bad  
diarrhea, but she seemed to recover except for a slight sniffle and  
occasional sneezes.  Then she really backslid starting yesterday.  
No fever, and in fact her temp today was low for her-- 100.8--  
though still in low normal range.


Please send her prayers and energy, and let me know if any thoughts  
come to mind about what could be going on or what I should do.


Thanks,
Michelle

Re: Vaccinate

[Gloria Lane]

Hi Sally,

I assume you mean Immunoregulin (IR)?

Re URI, I usually syringe Lysine, and start out with a big dose -  
500-1000 mg to start, twice daily..  I get it powdered, or grind up  
the tablets, and mix with water or Aloe Vera juice or chicken broth,  
etc.  Sometimes I put a little Vitamin C in it.  I syringe it twice  
daily.  if yours isn't working, I'd probably up the dose and add some  
vitamin C.  Just the way I do it...


I always heard *never* to vaccinate FELV cats for FELV.  But then I  
took in these cats from an Oklahoma woman, and her vet actually  
recommended vaccinating the FELV cats - go figure.


I of course wouldn't do the Rabies - why bother? Why stress the  
kitty's system? Again, it's the way I do things.


Best of luck,

Gloria


On Dec 6, 2006, at 5:53 PM, Sally wrote:


A few questions here:

I have two FELV cats. One symptomatic the other is not. They have  
both done the IR protocol per my request, My Vet normally will also  
vaccinate them for the usual diseases. Tiny is due for rabies and  
the distemper group. Junior the sick one would only get the  
distemper, but not tomorrow because he still has a URI and an eye  
infection.


I know there is some disagreement as to whether is vaccinate an  
immune compromised cat or not. My feeling is Tiny had a weak  
positive and no symptoms. He has been kept in the same room as  
Junior for three + weeks and has not caught Junior’s cold. I will  
vaccinate him against the normal stuff and the vet would also  
vaccinate him against FeLV. Any thoughts about that and what are  
pros and con


Junior has been on Baytril for 10 days. He acts a bit better but  
definitely not himself. He is due for one more IR which I will get  
tomorrow. I am a bit concerned about his eye. It is closed shut he  
doesn’t like me to fool with it. I have tried getting opthalmalic  
ointment in it mostly I miss. I did get some in it tonight.  It  
looked pretty inflamed. He is mostly blind in this eye from being  
hit by a car last April. I have tried L Lysine in his food but he  
is not eating all that well. Any thoughts here? Of Course I will  
get the Vet to look at it tomorrow. I am also taking the paper on  
Alferon for the vet to read over. I think he needs something more.  
Good news is he is no longer anemic and his gingivitis is better.


Thanks for your help

Sally

Re: Recall: Do you have room for 2 FeLV kitties - Kansas City Siamese Rescue cats

[Gloria Lane]

OK - so anybody on this list in Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Arkansas,  
etc,  available to take another FELV kitty - one a British Short  
Hair, one a Birman?


Gloria


On Dec 6, 2006, at 8:25 AM, Susan Loesch wrote:

Gloria, I have a transport.  Either Merry will bring or Sharon  
Morris will connect with her over Xmas in Springfield.  Would like  
to find them a home, tho, besides my overcrowded one.


"Gloria B. Lane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Just thought I'd "re-forward" this in case you couldn't see the  
attachment message.  Can anybody take these FELV babies  (presently  
in Kansas City) or transport to Arkansas?  Gloria


- Original Message -
From: Susan Loesch
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 2:05 PM
Subject: Fwd: RE: Recall: Do you have room for 2 FeLV kitties -  
Kansas CityS iame se Rescue

I am forwarding this from KC Siamese Rescue. .

Hello Susan!  Thank you for considering Crash (the Brit SH) and  
Bill Murray (who is a Birman instead of Siamese).
They are both HIGHLY social and loving.  Bill is almost annoying,  
he’s so sweet!  And Crash has this itty bitty “wussy” meow.  Cracks  
me up!


Okay, here’s the Background.  Crash came into rescue a year and  
ahalf ago, (about a year old).  Tested Negative at that time.
Was in 2 different foster homes the 1st 6mths, placed out on an  
adoption for about 4mths and came back in in the spring (April or  
May, I’ve had him since).
At that time, we discovered a FeLeuk outbreak in one of his 1st  
foster homes.  He was retested a weak positive (at that time).  And  
that is truly all
He has ever tested.   The last one, about a month ago (Snap test )  
was so weak you could barely see the color change.  So we ran the  
Eliza (sendout)
Which was positive.   None of the other cats he had been with ever  
tested positive.


Bill Murray came in as a 2month old kitten this summer.Tested  
Negative initially, but has had the usual colds etc.  Was retested  
AFTER finding
A new intake that was fe leuk positive in the same “colony” he was  
in……again, he’s the only one that tested positive after 45 days.


They are now their own “colony” in one of my bathrooms!   My  
personal cats are FeLeuk vaccinated, but I frequently do have  
fosters loose in my house.
Please let me know if there is anything else you need on them   I’d  
be glad to make a donation or send food or whatever.

They are current on their vaccinations as well.

Alisa Sacco
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
EarthLink Revolves Around You...my world revolves around cats!

-Original Message-
From: Drew Merry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 9:24 AM
To: 'Susan Loesch'; Drew Merry
Cc: Alisa M Sacco (E-mail); 'Alisa Sacco' (E-mail)
Subject: RE: Recall: Do you have room for 2 FeLV kitties - Kansas  
City S iame se Rescue cats


That's wonderful, Susan.  You are a very special lady.  Hopefully,  
Alisa will contact you soon.  Let me know if there is anything at  
all that I can do to help you out.


Merry
-Original Message-
From: Susan Loesch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 9:04 AM
To: Drew Merry
Subject: RE: Recall: Do you have room for 2 FeLV kitties - Kansas  
City S iame se Rescue cats
Thanks, Merry.  As you can tell I am really leaning toward taking.   
I do love the feleuk babies, kitten or adult. Since I only take in  
"unadoptables" for my rescue group -- feleuk, chronic illnesses,  
biters, ver elderly, etc, and since I keep them and all my cats  
vaccinated, I don't isolate feleuks.  They mix freely with my guys  
- with our vet's blessing.  I've never yet had one of my cats  
contract feleuk.  They snuggle up in bed with me along with all the  
rest!


Drew Merry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I am cc'ing their foster mom and she can tell you more about them  
than I can.  Will have her get in contact with you and fill you in  
on the background of both boys.

-Original Message-
From: Susan Loesch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 8:45 AM
To: Drew Merry
Subject: RE: Recall: Do you have room for 2 FeLV kitties - Kansas  
City S iame se Rescue cats
I am very much leaning toward taking them.  Last spring I lost  
Cheyenne, a little feleuk Siamese girl who came from a kill shelter  
in Corsicana, Tx at 4 mo.  She lived over almost 2 years with me.   
Crash sounds like he might have acquired feleuk as an adullt - or  
if as a baby, is just very lucky to be healthy longer.  What can  
you tell me about their background.


Drew Merry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I'm not sure how old Crash the British Shorthair is for sure.  I  
know that he is a young adult, probably around 2 years old or so.   
I think that the Siamese boy is around 7 months old.  They are both  
really cool boys.
Sure take all the time you need to think about it.  Their foster  
mo

Re: OT:crying for help - serious side effect from antibiotics

[Gloria Lane]

I have no experience with that particular condition, but sending you  
good vibes.  Might also try some lactobacillus for the tummy and  
immune system.  Also the 4 hour antihistamine that's used for cats-  
can't remember the brand.


Gloria


On Dec 9, 2006, at 8:10 PM, Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:

Hi, my Ghani was given aminoglycoside antibiotics to his ear due to  
the minor ear infection – since that day one, it changed his life.  
He stopped eating and can no longer walk due to vestibular  
disorders – I have been researching more about this – and it’s  
fairly common in human as well – I would like to hear about  
anything you know about the treatment and prognosis and etc… I am  
so devastated and I am very desparate – thank you in advance.

Re: about exposed FIP cat that needs a home

[Gloria Lane]

I totally agree...

On Dec 12, 2006, at 10:33 PM, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn wrote:

Did you read any of the literature I sent? Because it doesn't sound  
like you did. FIP
is NOT CONTAGIOUS. Corona virus is contagious, but 80% to 100% of  
cats in shelters
ALREADY HAVE CORONA. Perhaps you may want to read the literature.  
How do you know you
can't change the shelter's policy, how many times have you tried in  
the past? I would
think that once every 3 to 6 months wouldn't be too often  
(picketing out front
sometimes helps, but these days that may get you imprisoned as a  
terrorist).


Or, who knows, maybe saving this one cat is enough for you, and  
your life mission is
complete, who I am to judge? I hope you find her a home, and you  
live the rest of
your days in blissful peace and happiness (at least until the  
shelter starts testing
all their cats and decides to kill them ALL since they likely ALL  
test corona
positive). Like they say, maybe you can't save every life, but to  
the one you do
save, it means everything! What really matters is that you feel  
good inside, and that
you can honestly look back on this in the future and say "I did the  
best I could" and
be at peace with that. That's all any of us can really do. (I just  
speak from
experience, as I know I look back on my life and regret all the "I  
could have done

mores" I left behind.)
Have you posted her on the FIP cats and kittens for adoption  
section of the

bemikitties adoption website yet?
http://www.bemikitties.com/felv/cgi-bin/suite/classifieds/ 
classifieds.cgi? 
request=display_sub&category_id=101&website=default&session=457f7e836b 
6f7748


You can also post her to these yahoogroups:
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Special_Needs_Rescue_Cats/
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/HANDICATS2/
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/PurringPixieCatResource/

And to these websites:
http://www.azfelines.org/index.php?&page=03
http://www.petswithdisabilities.org/catadopt.html

And, if you tell me your city and state, I will send you a list of  
all the no kill
shelters in a 200 mile or so radius to you. Or, if you prefer to  
not give out that
information, you can find a partial list on my webpage (scroll down  
a way) at:
http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html (if you or anyone else knows  
of any I don't have

listed PLEASE send me their info)

Remember, pictures speak louder than words, so if you can, get a  
picture of her (go
for the most pathetic looking pose you can get) and post a link to  
her picture every
time you post her somewhere. If you need someone to host the image  
so you can link to
it, send it to me directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I will upload  
it to my website

and send you the URL.

I hope this is more along the lines of the type of information and  
assistance you

require. Good luck!

Best Regards,

Phaewryn

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Re: loose stools

[Gloria Lane]

Agreed - I'd use Flagyl and feed some high fiber food.  Fecal tests  
often don't show anything.  If Flagyl doesn't work, I then try Albon  
(for coccidia - see http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm? 
cls=1&cat=1359&articleid=726).


On one FELV diarrhea cat I used a diet change and it worked really  
well  - I used the recipe from Dr. Pitcairn's book, only modified it  
a bit, and it worked well.  I substituted canned chicken or turkey  
(not cat food, but from the "human" section of the grocery store) -  
mixed with, white rice, kidney beans, and some other of Dr. Pitcairns  
suggestions.  I then started a different route -  trying buying cat  
food with "alternative" meats - bought some Nutro lamb cat food, and  
my kitty tolerated it very well.


 Dr. Pitcairn's new book is at http://www.amazon.com/Pitcairns- 
Complete-Guide-Natural-Health/dp/157954973X


Gloria



On Nov 27, 2006, at 4:08 PM, Susan Hoffman wrote:

Any suggestions?  Yeah -- metronidazole (Flagyl).  Parasites, such  
as giardia, very often do not show up in a fecal.  I'm surprised  
the vet did not mention this.  Many vets will treat with  
metronidazole on the basis of symptoms, even when a fecal is  
negative.  I don't think I'd be jumping ahead to cancer without at  
least trying standard treatments for giardia (metronidazole) and  
coccidia (Albon).  If both of these failed I would look at  
tritrichomonas foetus (treated with Ronidazole).  Is it possible  
the vet is assuming lymphoma because the cat is FeLV+ rather than  
looking at more common and treatable causes?


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have been fostering a FELV pos. cat for over 6 months and she has  
chronic diarrhea multiple times a day.  She has been tested  
numerous times for parasites and been dewormed.  Our vet feels it  
may be lymphoma.  If it is, how long do these cats live?  Otherwise  
she is doing fairly well for a positive cat.
Also, any suggestions to combatting the diarrhea would be helpful.   
I use pumpkin, slippery elm, and bentonite clay powder daily which  
helps to some degree.  Her stools are still soft and she has  
accidents still and is in the litterbox frequently.

Thanks for any info.
Diane

Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Gloria Lane]

Oh.h.h. yeaa - sounds very familiar.  I'd give her some time to  
herself for a few days, and see how she reacts to a little tasty  
canned food after that.  I've had the NICEST cats start out quite   
aggressive, because they didn't like the new and different  
surroundings, don't like leaving their homes, watching their stuff  
being packed up, etc.  When I got C.J., he was really scarey.  But he  
turned into such a sweetheart. Same with Katie.  Have had others do  
that too.  I'd say - it's not time to worry yet.


Gloria


On Dec 29, 2006, at 11:14 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote:


Hi guys,

I took in an owner surrendered cat last night.  Most of my rescue  
friends love taking in owner surrendered cats because they  
generally have at least some medical history.  I got this cat in,  
and she is *extremely aggressive*.  She acts completely feral.  I'm  
not able to get within a foot of her at the most.  I have her in  
the bathroom by herself in hopes she'll calm down.  The previous  
owner states the cat was friendly with her and never attacked any  
visitors.  However, the paperwork from the vet lists "aggression"  
as a condition going back at least 4 years.


Any ideas?  I think this is going to become one of my cats.  I  
can't adopt out a cat I know to be aggressive.  At this point, if  
she needed medical attention I'd need to trap her to take her in .


Has anyone ever dealt successfully with a cat like this?  If I  
didn't know better I'd swear she was feral and had never been  
around humans at all.



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Re: Asia update

[Gloria Lane]

Think you want kitty vit c or a type that has less chance of  
irritating the tummy.  Might try Dr. Belfields products, at  
www.belfield.com


Gloria



On Dec 30, 2006, at 1:06 PM, Dianne K Perry, Ph.D. wrote:

I heard that Vita-Cal and Nutri-Cal are full of sugar and that  
fuels cancer???


Regular vitamin C or is there a special cat Vit. C?

Dianne
- Original Message -
From: Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: Asia update

I'd go with the vitamin C, and a good all around high calorie  
vitamin-mineral supplement, like Vita-Cal or Nutri-Cal, since she's  
doing chemo, she could probably use the additional easy to access  
calories. Neither of them are expensive.


Phaewryn

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Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Gloria Lane]

Keep in mind that apparently she's not feral, just terrified.  Give  
her time, and try tasty stuff (like the fried chicken - great idea).  
Talk to her soothingly.


Gloria



On Dec 31, 2006, at 6:28 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote:

Oh, she also hasn't eaten since she got here.  I have tried her  
regular food (they brought the remains of a bag over), pill pockets  
(with no pills in them - my cats love them), freeze dried shrimp,  
yucky Pounce treats, and canned food.  Next I am going to try  
tuna.  There's no way I can syringe her, and I can't get her to a  
vet without trapping her, which usually involves food.  So I just  
have to hope that she eats, I guess.  Judging from my cats, maybe I  
should try white bread - they think that is the best thing going!


On 12/31/06, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Not only can I not touch her ears, I can't get closer than about a  
foot and a half without being in danger of losing a finger.


On 12/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
If you are able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to prescribe  
benadryl to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy into  
transdermal cream to rub inside her ear.  My Patches has been on  
this for years for anxiety.  She was prescribed it because she was  
pulling her fur out of her belly and back legs, and the benadryl  
stopped that. But she also used to go after the other cats, and the  
benadryl pretty much stopped that too. If I forget to give it to  
her, it is noticeable because she goes after Lucy and sometimes  
even me. With the benadryl she is pretty much fine. It does not  
seem to make her groggy at all-- she is quite perky and energetic--  
but just takes the edge off I guess.

Michelle



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Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

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Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Gloria Lane]

Beautiful story, MC - Thanks.

Gloria


On Dec 31, 2006, at 10:06 AM, TenHouseCats wrote:

let me tell you about lacey susan, whom i affectionately refer to  
as my psychotic, all-4-paw-declawed psychotic calico she was  
rescued at 4 weeks,  and lived with one woman til she was 5 years  
old. she was front-declawed as a baby, and rear-declawed at around  
3, because the new husband was worried about his hardwood floors.  
(the cat weighed about 8# at her heaviest.)  the husband died, and  
the baby was born--and it was one of those babies who truly was  
allergic to everything, including milk. so lacey went to live with  
her grandma, where she spent all her time hiding under the computer  
desk.


she came into the shelter where i volunteered, and i was told that  
she was most probably going to have to be euthed because she was  
nuts she'd do the headbonk, nudge, pet-me, pet-me, love-me,  
hiss, growl, bite, i'm-going-to-rip-off-your-face, headbonk, pet- 
me, pet-me routine she also looked almost identical to my  
FirstCalico, who'd gone to the bridge two years previously--and as  
you know, it's not usual to find two calicos with markings that  
similar. so, of course, i had to give her a chance. i am NOT  
reliably a communicator, but some cats DO talk quite clearly to me,  
and she has always been one. i realized she was terrifed, and  
acting out of fear and abandonment. i figured, hey, she has no  
claws, and as long as i stay away from the teeth, what's she gonna  
do to me, anyway? started out talking to her in her cage, and i  
promised her that no one would ever hurt her left her a shirt  
of mine to sleep with, to have my scent. over the following days, i  
was able to pick her up--the only person who could--and take her  
into the huge staff bathroom we had. i'd take a book, some toys,  
and just sit on the floor and leave her be. she'd sniff under the  
door, come over and nudge me, play with the toys, headbonk, and  
demand petting in between her "i'm going to kill you, human"  
episodes. i'd spend an hour or two with her each day. she'd go  
ballistic when i went to put her back in the cage, but other than  
that, she was definitely calming down--for me, at least.


there was a volunteer there who was big and fast, with very little  
awareness of cat signals, and not too surprisingly, she bit him one  
day, so she went into isolation for ten days--but i continued to  
work with her, and she continued to respond. she was still nuts,  
mind you, but less so.


the shelter board asked me to write up an evaluation on her so they  
could decide whether she should be put up for adoption, and one of  
the members decided that she could tame her, and took her home for  
two weeks. when she came back, she was worse than when she'd first  
come into the shelter, poor dear. the board had decided that she  
could only go to an only cat home, so i would not be able to adopt  
her. i was broken hearted, and pretty much stayed away from her,  
because i didn't want to get close to her again.


two weeks later, they told me i could take her if i wanted to,  
because i was the only person she'd ever responded to, and  
otherwise they'd have to euthanize her. i was ecstatic. i was  
concerned about how she'd do with the fully-clawed cats in the  
house--ha! i swear this cat files her teeth down in her spare time,  
they were in far more danger from her than she ever was from them!  
it was awful--she was attacking them constantly, as she'd managed  
to figure out how to reliably get out of the isolation space. she  
was attacking everything, actually--furniture, stuffed animals,  
me i had rescue remedy in a  carrier solution which i could  
spray on her and the surroundings, and it seemed to help a bit, but  
after two weeks, it was rapidly becoming clear that something had  
to change. i was up on the bed with her, and i was in tears. she  
was letting me pet her, and i asked her if she really wanted to be  
on this earth any longer, that she was terrorizing the other cats  
and drawing way too much of my blood, and that things just could  
not go on like this. the little motley punk climbed onto my lap,  
and purred for 45 minutes. and things began to get better from then  
on.


that was seven and a half years ago. she STILL hates other cats,  
and will still attack stuffed animals when hissed off. she told me,  
after a bit, that she would NEVER be a pet again, because it hurt  
too much. that MAYBE, if i kept her as long as her first mom had,  
she would CONSIDER really trusting me this is a cat who did NOT  
purr--very occasionally she would practice what she insisted was  
"rhythmic growling," and would stop as soon as she was caught at  
it. (once we actually had the vet come out, because she'd been  
purring constantly, and we knew that there was something wrong!

Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Gloria Lane]

I wouldn't do the anti-anxiety as of yet, just let the cat food.  I'm  
so glad she's coming around - thought she would.


Gloria


On Jan 3, 2007, at 9:29 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote:

She's MUCH better as of last night.  Ate a whole bowl of food, and  
let me come very close to touching her, then put her paw out to  
stop me (no claws this time, though.).


I'm not sure of the next step.  I can put her on anti anxiety meds,  
but if she's ok with me I won't know if they are working.  I don't  
think I can take a chance on adopting her out at this point.



On 1/2/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
This is very true.  Dixie Louise, who is a very laid back cat,  
snarled at a friend who had on a strange fragrance.







 If you have men  
who will exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter  
of compassion and pity, you will have men who
 will deal likewise  
with their fellow man.
   
St. Francis

- Original Message -
From: tamara stickler
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat


Kelley,

Do you wear any scentsor are you a smoker?  It may take her a  
while to get used to your smellor lack of if her owner used  
perfume or smoked.


Kelley Saveika < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
No, I don't think she is feral at all.  Her ex-guardian had her  
since 8 weeks of age, per the medical records she gave me.  (she's  
had WAY too many shots, IMHO - the vet we have inside Petsmart here  
seems to be quite the ripoff joint).


She doesn't seem to like my voice, she bares her teeth and hisses  
at me when she hears it.


Seems pretty indifferent to other cats so far (I shoo them out when  
they go in her room, but she pays no mind to them).



On 12/31/06, Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
Keep in mind that apparently she's not feral, just terrified.  Give  
her time, and try tasty stuff (like the fried chicken - great  
idea). Talk to her soothingly.



Gloria





On Dec 31, 2006, at 6:28 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote:

Oh, she also hasn't eaten since she got here.  I have tried her  
regular food (they brought the remains of a bag over), pill  
pockets (with no pills in them - my cats love them), freeze dried  
shrimp, yucky Pounce treats, and canned food.  Next I am going to  
try tuna.  There's no way I can syringe her, and I can't get her  
to a vet without trapping her, which usually involves food.  So I  
just have to hope that she eats, I guess.  Judging from my cats,  
maybe I should try white bread - they think that is the best thing  
going!


On 12/31/06, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
Not only can I not touch her ears, I can't get closer than about a  
foot and a half without being in danger of losing a finger.


On 12/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
If you are able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to  
prescribe benadryl to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy into  
transdermal cream to rub inside her ear.  My Patches has been on  
this for years for anxiety.  She was prescribed it because she was  
pulling her fur out of her belly and back legs, and the benadryl  
stopped that. But she also used to go after the other cats, and  
the benadryl pretty much stopped that too. If I forget to give it  
to her, it is noticeable because she goes after Lucy and sometimes  
even me. With the benadryl she is pretty much fine. It does not  
seem to make her groggy at all-- she is quite perky and  
energetic-- but just takes the edge off I guess.

Michelle



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Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

[Gloria Lane]

Anna, you had several very nice replies to your question, which and  
some good suggestions...  You have to look at the subject of the  
message, and follow that thread, to see your replies.  Hope your  
kitty is doing better, we all understand and sympathize.


Gloria



On Jan 16, 2007, at 10:22 PM, Anna wrote:


god bye.
- Original Message -
From: Anna
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

well guess what ?
- Original Message -
From: Anna
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

is my email/replies getting to this email/group 
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:42 PM
Subject: Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

Well, some of the websites I read say it's normal for everyone with  
an eye to have some degree of hippus, it's when it goes out of  
whack that it's a problem, you may just be noticing her normal  
hippus for the first time.


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Re: Prayers needed for Lucy-- very serious

[Gloria Lane]

I am so sorry, Michelle - prayers coming for Lucy - Gloria


On Jan 17, 2007, at 10:36 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Lucy's temp spiked to 106.7 tonight so I took her to the ER. They  
did blood work and her HCt is at 18 and her bun and liver enzymes  
are low. They took xrays and it looked to them (ER doctors, who I  
don't really trust to read xrays totally correctly) like she has  
fluid in her abdomen and an enlarged heart. They tapped the fluid  
and could not tell what it is. With IV fluids and some torbutrol  
her temp came down to 100.6 in two hours. I then took her home,  
against their advice, because they did not seem to think they could  
do anything and she was miserable there. I have an appointment for  
7:30 am at Red Bank, the best vet hospital in the state, with an  
oncologist. It is 2 hours away, so we need to leave at 5:30 am.  
Lucy hates car rides, but I want a better diagnosis, and I want it  
from the best people.  Except for the fact that she is still eating  
(probably not normally, but not completely terribly either) and  
alert, and her protein ratio which does not point to FIP, her  
clinical signs and blood work otherwise could mean wet FIP. The ER  
vet thinks it's lymphoma.  She was trying to convince me that FeLV+  
cats dont respond to chemo, even though I told her I had one who  
did and know others with cats who have.  It is possible it is FIP,  
it is possible that it is lymphoma so bad that nothing can be done  
or that she has heart problems that will complicate chemo and I  
can't do it.  But I want to try, at least, to get a better  
diagnosis before deciding all of this.  She is happy to be home for  
now.  She ate a little bit of cooked turkey, probably 10 or 15  
little pieces.


Please pray hard for her.  It does not look good. I hope she can at  
least have some good time left. she is my baby, more than any of  
the others, though I love them too. she is my love.


Michelle

Re: Lucy--what to do?-- anyone have acemannan??

[Gloria Lane]

O yea... medical model.

Actually, I think I'd be looking into Acemann or ImmunoRegulin or  
sometime like that...


Best of luck,

Gloria


On Jan 21, 2007, at 8:05 AM, TenHouseCats wrote:

you're up against the old medical model, which holds true in  
veterinary as well as in human medicine: diagnosis/treat/cure. if  
you can't do those things in one swell foop, blame the patient!


On 1/21/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Renee, I think the main difference between the way Dr. Clifford  
treats you with Emily and the way he's treating Michelle with Lucy  
is that Emily's breast cancer is considered more treatable, where  
they are not giving Michelle any hope, and are more or less annoyed  
that she hasn't given up yet with something they see as terminal.  
At least that's what I'm pulling from what's been posted here.  
Almost like they are saying "well, she's old and she's got FIP,  
there's nothing we can do", but yet they don't seem to be AWARE of  
the studies that prove Feline Interferon Omega's effectiveness on FIP!


Michelle, if I were you, I would be slamming copies of studies down  
on some desks around that place and making some heads roll if they  
treated me so disrespectfully! It might not hurt to REMIND them  
that you are PAYING them for their service, and even if your cat is  
"hopeless" in their eyes, you DESERVE to get your money's worth of  
consultation!


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Re: ot: transdermal benedryl gel for allergies

[Gloria Lane]

I'm interested in this - would like to know if it's different from  
the Benadryl cream that you can buy at pharmacies? I assume so, but  
just wondering...


Thanks,

Gloria



On Jan 28, 2007, at 5:46 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I just saw this email. It was me. I give it to Patches, who chews  
in the same places otherwise. but we are pretty sure it is anxiety  
with her, not allergies. How is it working?

Michelle

In a message dated 1/19/2007 12:43:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I have searched all my email archives and I can't for the life of  
me find who recommended going to a compounding pharmacy to get  
compounded transdermal benedryl gel for my Phelix's allergies (my  
brain is like a sieve)...but Phelix and I just wanted to say  
thanks!  (and please tell me who you are - !)

Re: Rompi

[Gloria Lane]

Paolo, just wanted you to know I'm thinking about you.  Don't  
unsubscribe from Feline Anemia if you need it - I'm not sure but  
assuming you're getting too much mail perhaps - if so, just change to  
the no mail (web only) option and go read them off the web.


Sending my best to you and your kitties -

Gloria



On Feb 4, 2007, at 11:44 PM, Paolo wrote:


Tonya,

thank you for your thoughts. Yes, thanks to the advices from you all
I succeeded in subscribing to the Feline Lymphoma and Feline Cancer
groups. It results that I am no longer subscribed to Feline Anemia (!)
although I regularly receive all the posts from that group (!).
I am just afraid of un-subscribing and re-subscribing right away to
Anemia (in order to reset the situation) because I feel that I would
start receiving the same mail twice!!!... So, in the doubt... ;)

Today I am trying to schedule a visit with the oncologist for tomorrow
or thursday. I have even found a pharmacy that gets me pure L- 
Lysine and

pure Dimethylglycine in powder, in 50 or 100 g cans, inexpensive,
so Rompi is on both and on Omega3-EPA-DHA, doing great even if it's  
not

a therapy but just a support.

I remind to everybody that little O.T. of mine, posted saturday... ;)

Michelle, please don't go: take a DEEP breath, but do not go.
I feel so stupid.

Sorry for running away but actually I have to run to work!

Kisses to everybody
Paolo

add sweet Houston to the CLS 2/8/2007

[Gloria Lane]

My sweet Houston died last night.  He came to me from Susan, who  
worked hard to trap him and bubba Dallas out west of Little Rock.   
Houston and Dallas tested positive for FELV.  They were just babies,  
and Dallas was a wormy kitten back then.  That was Spring 2004.  They  
grew up healthy happy cats, at least up until the last couple of  
weeks of their lives.


Dallas died in September 2006,  of mediastinal lymphoma.   His bubba  
Houston just now joined him last night; he died quietly, was anemic,  
and Susan came over to see him before his passing.  They both died  
after missing some time on their daily interferon, don't know for  
sure if that's connected, but I do think it is.


They were both sweet loving kitties, playful, mischievous, just  
wonderful.  I'm glad to have known them; I'll miss them.  They'll be  
in good company - Leader, Mittens, Calawalla Banana Booboo, Mr. Black  
Kitty, and all the rest.


Gloria

Re: add sweet Houston to the CLS 2/8/2007

[Gloria Lane]

It took me 6 months to get their names straight - never sure who was  
Dallas and who was Houston.  They were great, big fat, gorgeous  
kitties.  Houston black and sleek,  Dallas a fluffy white and gray.


Gloria



On Feb 9, 2007, at 2:49 PM, Susan Loesch wrote:

I'm sure they didn't feel really lucky in those traps, but I bet  
they felt pretty good about it before long!   As it was, the woodsy  
area where they lived was partially plowed down, the person feeding  
them moved, and besides being crowed out, it was next to a huge  
high-traffic shopping center and just off a busy highway -- they  
probably wouldn't have lasted long there.   I named them Dallas and  
Houston right after they got to Gloria's.  I think she kept them at  
first because I was going out of town -- to Dallas.  And then she  
let them stay.

"MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
That's a great background story, Susan. Thanks to you and then  
Gloria, these little souls got lucky for the rest of their all-too- 
short lives.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:felvtalk- 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Loesch

Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 1:21 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: add sweet Houston to the CLS 2/8/2007

Houston and Dallas both were wonderful.  I'll never forget trapping  
them.  Dallas got into the first trap - this fluffy little gray and  
white ball.  Then I waited...and waited and waited.   Houston would  
come closer and go away - come closer, then back to the edge of the  
woods.  I was trapping with mackerel and his appetite- thank  
goodness - finally got the best of him!   Got them both in one  
day.  I was sure that Dallas was going to be the first to tame down  
and that Houston would stay a "wild man" -- but Houston tamed first  
and best - he was beautiful, so sleek and black.  They were lucky  
enough to get to live with Gloria and I got to see them often.   
Dallas was right there across the bridge ready to meet Houston, as  
was my Leader.  How wonderful to think of all three as free and  
healthy and happy!


TenHouseCats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
aw, gloria, i'm sorry.

GLOW to guide houston to his new place at the bridge, and to heal  
your heart.


MC

On 2/9/07, Gloria Lane wrote:
> My sweet Houston died last night. He came to me from Susan, who
> worked hard to trap him and bubba Dallas out west of Little Rock.
> Houston and Dallas tested positive for FELV. They were just babies,
> and Dallas was a wormy kitten back then. That was Spring 2004. They
> grew up healthy happy cats, at least up until the last couple of
> weeks of their lives.
>
> Dallas died in September 2006, of mediastinal lymphoma. His bubba
> Houston just now joined him last night; he died quietly, was anemic,
> and Susan came over to see him before his passing. They both died
> after missing some time on their daily interferon, don't know for
> sure if that's connected, but I do think it is.
>
> They were both sweet loving kitties, playful, mischievous, just
> wonderful. I'm glad to have known them; I'll miss them. They'll be
> in good company - Leader, Mittens, Calawalla Banana Booboo, Mr.  
Black

> Kitty, and all the rest.
>
> Gloria
>
>


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Re: Chocolate cat needs a name

[Gloria Lane]

Chocalaka

(Kind of reminiscent of my Calawalla Banana Booboo)

Gloria



On Feb 19, 2007, at 4:08 PM, Leslie Lawther wrote:

I wanted to say that too... I like Ruben.  But then I like unusual  
names... real names.

Leslie =^..^=


On 2/19/07, tamara stickler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Aw...I LIKE Reuben.  Afterall, hasn't he gone through enough  
already without having to learn a new name that his new owners  
(when he is adopted) will most likely change again anyway?


catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
truffle?  truffles?

"Wolf, Leah R." < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
How about Hershey?  Or Milton?


Leah
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Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 10:10 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT: Chocolate cat needs a name

I volunteer with a rescue that has taken in cats from a hoarding  
case. Some have tested FeLV+. One of the cats that tested negative  
and is awaiting a retest is a cocoa colored cat. He is all brown. I  
have never seen a cat like this in person. Anyway, his name was  
Reuben and we are searching for a better name. The possibilitties  
so far are Cocoa, Chocolate Boy, and Whitman, none of which I care  
for.
If anyone can think of a name for a chocolate colored cat, can you  
please let me know. You can email me off list if you want.

And please keep your fingers crossed he retests negative.

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Re: Vacinating postivies (was Re: Help needed)

[Gloria Lane]

I hate to use it too - I know there are different varieties that are  
preferable, and I've heard to avoid the ones that are combined with  
other vaccines.


Interesting thing - I've always heard to avoid vaccinating positives  
with the FELV vaccine.  But I've learned to be open to other options  
- since I took in 3 FELV cats from a lady in Oklahoma. Hmmm, maybe a  
couple of years ago?  They're 10-11 years old now.  Her vet  
vaccinated them for FELV, as a way of dealing with the FELV.  And  
they're alive today, and I've never had one live that long.  Go figure.


Gloria



On Feb 26, 2007, at 11:41 PM, Kelly L wrote:


At 06:29 PM 2/26/2007, you wrote:


Oh I totally understand. The FELV vaccine is one I hate to use. I  
have had very healthy negative cats have horrible reactions to it.  
I dread using it, and I make sure I have the necessary meds incase  
they do have a reaction. and with an immune compromised cat it  
could be worse i agree. I would not feel comfortable mixing a known  
positive with non vaccinated negatives and if finances was an issue  
as the test can be expensive I would error on the side of caution,

We just do the best we can and weight the potential outcomes.
Kelly

the main reason I don't like to vaccinate positives is I had one  
cat that was very healthy despite the FeLV+ status and the vet  
accidently gave him the vaccine, he went down hill immediately and  
then diedNOW, I doubt there was a connection, but. it was  
my vets who said don't vaccinate the positives and this was an  
honest mix up (I have many cats and brought them en mass for  
vaccines...)


so if I know they are positive, I don't vaccinate.

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Re: Vacinating postivies (was Re: Help needed)

[Gloria Lane]

BUT, MC, Have you ever heard that it was beneficial?  That's what  
this lady's vet was saying.


Gloria



On Feb 27, 2007, at 6:25 PM, TenHouseCats wrote:

i've never seen anything that said that vaccinating positive cats  
HURT them--or activated the virus, as some folks have claimed--just  
that it was a waste of money and vaccine


i have a friend whose mom's cat died of FeLV complications a year  
or so ago--they'd never tested her when she came to them as a  
kitten 8 years or so before, so she was just regularly vaccinated!



On 2/27/07, Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I hate to use it too - I know there are different varieties that  
are preferable, and I've heard to avoid the ones that are combined  
with other vaccines.


Interesting thing - I've always heard to avoid vaccinating  
positives with the FELV vaccine.  But I've learned to be open to  
other options - since I took in 3 FELV cats from a lady in  
Oklahoma. Hmmm, maybe a couple of years ago?  They're 10-11 years  
old now.  Her vet vaccinated them for FELV, as a way of dealing  
with the FELV.  And they're alive today, and I've never had one  
live that long.  Go figure.


Gloria



On Feb 26, 2007, at 11:41 PM, Kelly L wrote:


At 06:29 PM 2/26/2007, you wrote:


Oh I totally understand. The FELV vaccine is one I hate to use. I  
have had very healthy negative cats have horrible reactions to it.  
I dread using it, and I make sure I have the necessary meds incase  
they do have a reaction. and with an immune compromised cat it  
could be worse i agree. I would not feel comfortable mixing a  
known positive with non vaccinated negatives and if finances was  
an issue as the test can be expensive I would error on the side of  
caution,

We just do the best we can and weight the potential outcomes.
Kelly

the main reason I don't like to vaccinate positives is I had one  
cat that was very healthy despite the FeLV+ status and the vet  
accidently gave him the vaccine, he went down hill immediately  
and then diedNOW, I doubt there was a connection, but. it  
was my vets who said don't vaccinate the positives and this was  
an honest mix up (I have many cats and brought them en mass for  
vaccines...)


so if I know they are positive, I don't vaccinate.

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Re: Help needed

[Gloria Lane]

The Oklahoma vet thought it might help too.  I have no idea - but  
these cats are now 9-10 years old.  I should have them tested again,  
just hate to stress them.


There also may be a difference (in the effect on FELV cats) between  
the various vaccines.


Gloria



On Feb 27, 2007, at 9:05 PM, catatonya wrote:

I personally have never heard of this happening.  In fact my vet  
vaccinated my positive twice saying it might help and couldn't  
hurt.  (This was over 10 years ago..)  But many cats are  
vaccinated without being tested, and unless the cat were already  
sick and showing symptoms I doubt the vaccine would hurt.  I would  
vaccinate everyone.  I don't think it would cause a negative cat to  
become positive.  Just my 2 cents from my experience.

t

Chris Behnke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
You have to be careful with vaccinating because there are cases  
where that has caused a cat to become positive.  That was another  
thing the vet talked to me about.  She feels that as long as they  
are indoors, it is not required to vaccinate as the vaccaine is not  
100% guaranteed.


Chris

- Original Message -
From: Kelly L
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: Help needed

At 03:50 PM 2/26/2007, you wrote


As I mentioned I had one positive and 13 negative...ALL stayed  
negativevery very very hard to catch even my positive cats best  
friend, mutual grooming cuddling etc never go it and that was 7  
years ago.

Kelly

:
Personally, I would not spend the money to test.  If you test you  
have to retest later, etc  I would instead vaccinate everyone  
as I could afford it.  Start with the youngest.  They are most  
susceptible.  That's just my opinion of what I'd do in your  
situation.

t

Debbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The cats were all spayed and neutered and had all shots except the  
feline leukemia. They have been to the vet yearly or whenever  
needed. We aquired so many at once we could not afford the testing  
and shots. A lady I worked with found 3 kittens in a dumpster, 2  
weeks later 4 more - we bottle raised all of them and they all  
lived. At that same time a stray came in winter and had 4 babies.  
They all lived also. A month after this we took a trip 500 miles  
away and found 2 kittens starving in a field in  the middle of  
nowhere. We brought them back. These were tested (not sure why vet  
decided this) and they were ok at that time. All the cats got  
along and seldon fought. If they did it was not the biting,  
scratching, etc... Soon after that a cat roamed up at a barbeque  
we had. She was young and in heat. We did not want her to get  
pregnant and she stayed so we brought her in. She was a very shy  
cat. She liked attention but seldom went near the others. Her  
eyes, nose, and mouth were clear (no discharge). A few weeks ago  
she started throwing up. We took her to the vet. She had nver been  
seriously ill (none have). They are all around 4 yrs, old now.  
Anyhow the vet said something was probably stuck in her intestines  
so they operated. All they found was enlarged lymph nodes. They  
did a biopsy and said they were not cancerous. She started doing  
better but then it was hard to get her to eat. We took her back in  
and they said her lungs had fluid in them. They drained it off.  
After all of this they came back and said she tested postive for  
leukemia. They recommended putting her to sleep.
Now we have a nightmare. We have all the others, plus just paid  
out $700.00 for a cat that they ended up putting down. Don't know  
if the operation threw her into it all or what.
We are going to have the others tested but it will be over  
$1000.00. We feel awful. If you don't have the money though it  
isn't always as some people think to keep up with everything.



-Original Message-
From: Kelley Saveika
Sent: Feb 26, 2007 11:25 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Help needed

I don't think anyone can give you odds on that.  I would say it  
would be unlikely that they will all be positive and quite  
possible that none will be positive.  If there is anything I have  
learned from this list it is that FELV is pretty hard to catch.   
Were any of the cats vaccinated against FELV?


On 2/26/07, Debbie < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
What are the odds of having 15 cats and one tests postive - will  
the others all be postive? These are cats that are strictly  
indoors now in a 1200 square foot house. The infected cat was not  
outwardly sick and di not socialize with the other cats, however  
they used same litter boxes and ate from same dishes.
Any help would be greatly appreciated. All cats are close to same  
age, different litters, aquired at the same time.





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[Gloria Lane]

Ah, thank you Wendy, how kind to write.  So wonderful of all those on  
this list, bless you all.


Gloria


On Mar 2, 2007, at 4:49 PM, wendy wrote:


Gloria,

Forgive me for the tardiness of this post; I am trying
to catch up.  I am so sorry to hear about Houston.
Bless you for caring for him, and for loving him.  He
and Dallas were both lucky to have you.

:)
Wendy


--- Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


My sweet Houston died last night.  He came to me
from Susan, who
worked hard to trap him and bubba Dallas out west of
Little Rock.
Houston and Dallas tested positive for FELV.  They
were just babies,
and Dallas was a wormy kitten back then.  That was
Spring 2004.  They
grew up healthy happy cats, at least up until the
last couple of
weeks of their lives.

Dallas died in September 2006,  of mediastinal
lymphoma.   His bubba
Houston just now joined him last night; he died
quietly, was anemic,
and Susan came over to see him before his passing.
They both died
after missing some time on their daily interferon,
don't know for
sure if that's connected, but I do think it is.

They were both sweet loving kitties, playful,
mischievous, just
wonderful.  I'm glad to have known them; I'll miss
them.  They'll be
in good company - Leader, Mittens, Calawalla Banana
Booboo, Mr. Black
Kitty, and all the rest.

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Re: 14 cats going to be tested- Great News

[Gloria Lane]

Yup, just what I expected - although I haven't done the testing of 10 
+ like some of you have.


Gloria


On Mar 6, 2007, at 8:26 PM, Kelly L wrote:


At 06:20 PM 3/6/2007, you wrote:


Great news and be sure to keep this information and let us share it  
with so many skeptics,Just like my experience,,all 18 were  
negative

YEAH
Kelly
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Just wanted to let everyone know we took the gang of 14 in.” Just  
got home. All the tests came back negative. Not a single cat was  
positive. Now we have to question on whether or not Elsa was truly  
positive. We took the cats to another vet. We use 4 actually.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:felvtalk- 
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Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 4:14 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: 14 cats going to be tested

good luck; i'm glad you found a vet who'd help you out!

(you've learned, unfortunately, what we all do--ANYONE can call  
themselves a "humane society"--there are no requirements to  
actually BE one)


MC
On 3/6/07, Debbie < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
not looking forward to taking them all in, but we felt we should  
know. This way at least we can take extra care for any that might  
test positive. We went out and got lots of carriers. Going to have  
to take two vehicles. The vet we chose is about 17 miles from us.  
They gave us a mutiple cat discount but everyone had to go in at  
once.
I appreciate the people on this list taking the time out to  
comment. I tend to be a loner most times. I am at work at the  
moment. I work with ALOT of farmers who look at cats as a nuisance  
here. Makes for some very unpleasant conversations at times here.
I have had cats for as long as I remember. I would not trade those  
friendships for all the human ones in the world. It is always  
refreshing though to find people who care as much about animals as  
I do.
The Humane Society here said I was not doing the cats any favors  
by taking in so many, without having them all tested and  
vaccinated for FELV. We got  all the cats at the same time. All  
abandoned, some even starving. We have had them all spayed/  
neutered and had all other shots. We keep them all indoors and  
keep them clean, well groomed, etc... I would have hoped for a  
better response from a Humane Society. I had asked them if we  
bought all the vaccines if they would administer the shots for a  
"donation."
I refuse to ever turn a blind eye to an animal in need of help. If  
that means spending alot of money on them than so be it.


-Original Message-
From: "MacKenzie, Kerry N."
Sent: Mar 6, 2007 3:37 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: 14 cats going to be tested
Sending lots of good vibes for tonight Debbie. Let us know how it  
goes when you have time. Kerry M.

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Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 2:09 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: 14 cats going to be tested
Am taking our 14 cats in tonight to be tested for FELV. This was  
after we had Elsa put to sleep because of fluid in her lungs and  
her testing positive.
Wish us luck. I don't know what to expect. I'd like to think no  
one else will test positive, but I doubt that will be the case.  
All the cats are around the same age (3-4 yrs). Different litters  
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Re: ovaban and other stuff....

[Gloria Lane]

I use PetTinic, along with some other vitamin products - but it does  
have a bit of sugar in it, so something to be aware of.


Gloria


On Mar 10, 2007, at 8:15 PM, elizabeth trent wrote:

OMG -- let me just say this about Pet Tinic.  This is in no way a  
normal story...but Mama Kitty hated it so bad...she took other meds  
with no problem..but the last time I gave her Pet Tinic she honest  
to God had a siezure.  I thought she was dead -- gave me a heart  
attack.  Mama Kitty will never have to take that nasty stuff ever  
again. I've had other cats who just loved it.  Not on Mama's menu.


elizabeth



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In a message dated 3/8/07 7:30:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
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So no one here has heard much about the use of ovaban for itching  
and calming them down?



Debbie

I had to give a male cat ovaban for his urinating (outside of box,  
ANYWHERE!!!).  But, the poor boy was traumatized, owner was fleeing  
town after we had the "Three Mile Island" incident here [Sorry, my  
memory stinks, but I KNOW it was early '80's, at least I "think"].   
She was just going to "dump" him in a KILL-SHELTER!   And, at  
the time, I did have one of his sisters, so, regardless of that  
fact, he came home - to me

He DID calm down, used box ALL the time, BUT.
That was my Mr. Chow - [my very first encounter w/ Felv.]..   
And, to make matters worse, when he got older and sickly, he was  
diagnosed w/ cancer...  Upon necropsy [something I detest],  
his lymphosarcoma was due to being Felv+. (Keep in mind, this was  
prior to Snap or Elisa testing..)
I was devastated...   I still "wonder" about just how they were  
able to diagnose Felv. ()
And, he lived w/ me & my furbabies MANY years, and all his friends  
lived to a ripe [healthy] age.
On the subject of amytryptilline, we used that at the shelter on  
many stressed-out cats.  And, Blossom [See? I CAN remember some  
things!], used to chew her fur terribly PRIOR!!!  Her nickname was  
"Bald  Blossom".  After giving her the meds, she was "Beautiful  
Blossom"!  And, as far as I know, which lately isn't too much, she  
is a healthy senior w/ lots of fur
What dosage were you RX'ed?   Improper dosage can lead to many  
"problems".
And, don't ask me what we had our Blossom on. that memory is  
gone

I know I am rambling & am even going to switch topic, but.
For vitamins, yes, PetTinic is very good, but we also used Fela-Vite 
[sp?].  It's a flavored gel, I even "think" it's made by the same  
mfg. as Laxatone.  ()  Just don't quote me on that..
And, since I'm changing topic, I also want to say that I am  
seriously contemplating having my Buster put on  
amytryptilline..  He was Cornelius's best friend (the rest of  
my gang are "snooty", AND THAT'S PUTTING IT MILDLY). I rescued  
Buster shortly after Cornelius, and when Corny passed, well, I was  
really concerned about Buster.  And, he is also a Maine Coon, but  
now he is a DSH!!!  And, he is perfectly healthy, according to my  
vet. He's on a good [great] diet, no fleas, no allergies...  
What's a Mom to do
And, I DO have to go back to vet, as soon as I figure out a way to  
get dear Charity into a carrier..
For those of you not familiar w/ my Charity, she's the feral I've  
been looking after [spayed, tested, vaccinated, plus food &  
shelter], who led me to Black Bart, another REALLY, REALLY mean  
feral tom [in a BLIZZARD!!!] when he was so ill... They both  
put their trust in me that night.. Sadly, for Bart it was too  
late.  :(
But, Charity "allowed" me to carry her back to house, and she's  
been inside ever since   In a large crate, but until I ever get  
her to vet, I don't want to "expose" her to my other babies I  
even have Timmy, her baby.Who I had to bottle feed 'cause the  
j*rk that dumped them, put them in a cardboard box  Of course,  
Mom got out, but I had her 2 teeny babies The other baby,  
Thomas, was adopted, but Timmy won't have any of that [He did  
get adopted while I was in hosp., thank heavens for adoption  
contracts!!!  He made it purr-fectly clear that this was his home]
I'm rambling [again], back to CharityWe DID have a vet  
appt., BUT..., upon "seeing" another human, she went ballistic  
(I can't drive among other handicaps after MVA), so when my rescue  
buddy came to get us, there was NO way to get her in carrier!  I  
knowmy fault, should have already had her in carrier.  But,  
she has to be at least "semi" manageable for vet appt.  And, she  
does not like any person but me!!!  And, at least p

Re: TN but transport available - URGENT FeLV+ kitten needs foster or home ASAP

[Gloria Lane]

I assume this is eastern Tennessee...?


On Mar 10, 2007, at 8:59 PM, TenHouseCats wrote:

do we know ANYONE who could foster this little one long enough to  
give her at least the chance to live? (and yes, susan, i DID  
send on the info re: the vet tech in TX, tho that's a LONG way for  
such a frail baby!)


MC


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Precious is a small Torti female kitten that the vet thinks is 4-5  
months old even though she is the size of a 3 month old and sadly  
she has tested positive to FeLV.  Currently she is fighting upper  
respitory and the vet is giving her a 50/50 chance of making it.   
She is purring and just so sweet so the vet didn't want to  
euthanize her but she can only stay there over the weekend and by  
Monday a decision needs to be made.  Due to her URI she has not  
been well enough to be spayed or have her vaccinations but if we  
can find a foster who has either a spare room or a large crate and  
can foster her all her medication and Interferon will be provided.   
Once she is well from her URI we will have her spayed and  
vaccinated but right now she is just in need of a safe place to  
rest and get well.  We really want to give this sweet girl a chance  
to live and once she is safe in a foster we will begin to look for  
a permanent place for her but right now we just need a safe place  
for her to get well.


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Re: TN but transport available - URGENT FeLV+ kitten needs foster or home ASAP

[Gloria Lane]

Easily influenced by MC, of course...

Gloria


On Mar 12, 2007, at 4:41 PM, TenHouseCats wrote:

we've found her a safe place to recuperate--she's doing much  
better, responding to the meds. HIP HIP MEOW!!! (thanks to  
our anonymous list member with a penchant for calico felvs..)





On 3/10/07, TenHouseCats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
do we know ANYONE who could foster this little one long enough to  
give her at least the chance to live? (and yes, susan, i DID  
send on the info re: the vet tech in TX, tho that's a LONG way for  
such a frail baby!)


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Precious is a small Torti female kitten that the vet thinks is 4-5  
months old even though she is the size of a 3 month old and sadly  
she has tested positive to FeLV.  Currently she is fighting upper  
respitory and the vet is giving her a 50/50 chance of making it.   
She is purring and just so sweet so the vet didn't want to  
euthanize her but she can only stay there over the weekend and by  
Monday a decision needs to be made.  Due to her URI she has not  
been well enough to be spayed or have her vaccinations but if we  
can find a foster who has either a spare room or a large crate and  
can foster her all her medication and Interferon will be provided.   
Once she is well from her URI we will have her spayed and  
vaccinated but right now she is just in need of a safe place to  
rest and get well.  We really want to give this sweet girl a chance  
to live and once she is safe in a foster we will begin to look for  
a permanent place for her but right now we just need a safe place  
for her to get well.


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Re: another vaccinated positive

[Gloria Lane]

Yeow.  Maybe that's the trick - to vaccinate them.

On Mar 13, 2007, at 7:20 PM, TenHouseCats wrote:


to whomever is keeping score

just asked a friend, who has a 10-year-old positive (living quite  
happily with her vaccinated negatives, i might add--she wasn't  
tested at first, and they'd all been exposed by the time she was,  
but yearly she tests positive, they don't.) if katie had ever  
been vaccinated either before or after she was diagnosed as  
positive... in light of our earlier conversation re: how the  
longer-lived FeLV seem to have been. yep, she's been vaccinated  
every year since BEFORE she was vaccinated--her vet never told her  
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Re: Questions and concerns

[Gloria Lane]

Susan, actually, who's on this list, knows more about it than I do.   
But as I understand the way we've used it,   was to give it daily for  
about a week, then taper off till you find a point where they're  
showing symptoms again.  Course this was for inappropriate urination,  
so a little different maybe.  I recall one cat that settled in with 1  
pill a week after the tapering-off, a very workable time period.


I've heard that Prozac is effective, but we've never used it -  
anybody know about Prozac for cats?


Gloria


On Mar 14, 2007, at 5:50 PM, catatonya wrote:

My cat had nervous type side effects and seemed ill.  I gave it  
up.  I have tried the benadryl on this cat too with no effect.


t

Leslie Lawther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Glad someone brought up Amitriptyline!  I have a few very nervous  
cats and they were prescribed Amitriptyline.  I have taken them off  
the medication because it makes them too tired to be nervous!  Has  
anyone ridden out the side effects to see if they do, in fact, go  
away after some time??  I always revert back to the "quality"  
versus "quantity" - I would not want to live zonked out

Leslie =^..^=


On 3/8/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Medicating with amitriptyline (sp?) helps nervous cats lots of  
times. Prozac is also

sometimes used.

As for the FELV vaccine, I don't believe in giving it to adult cats  
at all. Healthy
adult cats develop natural immunity as they approach adulthood. The  
only time I would
use it were if I had a kitten under 1 year old that I knew was  
going to be exposed to
FELV. Then, I would give one shot, and never again. There are no  
studies that suggest
that repeated vaccines increase immunity, and in fact, most trials  
show that most
vaccines produce immunity for life, or at least for many years  
(depending on the
vaccine). (you'll note that us humans don't have to go in for  
annual smallpox and

rubella vaccines)

As for rabies, I would not give it more than once every 3 years,  
and I would NOT use
an adjuvanted vaccine, so that means it would have to be Merial's  
Purevax rabies, as
that is currently the ONLY non-advuvanted rabies vaccine. Of  
course, you have your
local and state laws to consider with regards to the rabies  
vaccine, most places

require it legally.

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Re: Transfusion?

[Gloria Lane]

In my limited experience, blood transfusions really really can help,  
for a while.  Not traumatic.  I think there's a limit on the # of  
blood transfusions kitty can get, I don't know why.


Gloria


On Mar 16, 2007, at 7:30 PM, Marissa Johnson wrote:

Hi.  Does anyone have any experience with blood transfusions for  
sick kitties?  Two vets now have basically told me that's about the  
only recourse I have left for trying to turn Slinky around.  He  
seems to be doing a BIT better right now...I took him in and got  
some Sub-Q fluids (though I haven't started them yet), but I think  
being outside probably got his fever down a bit.  I also gave him  
some vitamin C, L-Lysine, Hi-Vite, and his 2 abx.  He sees a bit  
more energetic and actually left my bedroom for the first time in  
days!


But the vet says his gums look like he basically has no blood (low  
red cell count).  I have no idea if I can even afford it, but I'm  
going to do some research into costs and payment plan options  
tomorrow.  He's still eating, grooming, etc. so I think he wants to  
fight...and I told him I'd keep fighting 'till he tells me to stop.


Anyway, was just wondering if anyone had any experience with  
transfusions.  Do you think it's worthwhile?  Is it horribly  
invasive or traumatic?  Is it something that has to be repeated  
periodically or...?  Any info or advice would be most appreciated.   
Thanks!


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Re: Questions on Interferon

[Gloria Lane]

After my interferon is mixed, I put it in small containers and freeze  
it.  I've read that you can freeze it once.  Once unfrozen, I think  
it lasts 30 days, but I could be off on that - maybe it's 60 days,  
I'm sure somebody knows.


There are many different PRICES for interferon alpha - ranging from  
very high to low, depending on the vet.  I now get it for $15 for a  
large bottle (about 30 ml, I think?)


It serves as an immune system modulator, and works very well for me,  
in some circumstances.  I do daily low dose oral interferon with some  
FELV cats.  I don't do the on =off that some people do.


Best of luck,

Gloria



On Mar 16, 2007, at 9:10 PM, C & J wrote:

The Vet had another look at Tomi today, a week after his  
transfusion, and gave me a 500ML bottle of Interferon Alfa-2B 30ui/ 
ml, that they had just received.


His blood count was 17, up from 16 on Monday, which isn't as much  
as the vet was hoping for, so Tomi's supposed to stay on Prednisone  
for another week at one pill a day (he's been getting 2 a day so  
far).  Now I shouldn't be giving him the Interferon until he is  
done taking Prednisone right?  The vet said I should probably wait,  
but wasn't positive as I don't think she's very familiar with  
Interferon treatment.


Another thing, I read something about freezing Interferon.  My  
bottle just says on it to keep refrigerated.  Will the Interferon  
last for months just being refrigerated?


Thanks for all the info being shared here, i've learned a lot in  
the past week.  The tip on baby food was a lifesaver, as he's being  
a very picky eater this last week, turning his nose up even at  
tuna.  The baby food he seems to like though.

Re: Need to place Chief ASAP

[Gloria Lane]

Just want to say I'm sorry that you've had a bad feeling about the  
responses you've gotten.  I haven't been following all the posts, but  
we've always had such a nice, supportive group, and wish it could be  
that for you.  I hope you can find a place for your sweet kitty.   
it's hard to judge someone else's life, you just never know what's  
going on, and the real difficulties that can be there when someone  
needs to relinquish a beloved kitty.


Hope you can hang in there.  Sending you lots of good vibes, hoping  
that a wonderful home appears.


Gloria


On Mar 17, 2007, at 10:45 PM, Stephanie E Caldwell wrote:


Susan,

I’ve offered anyone to email me privately to learn more about my  
situation. Instead you choose to belittle and question me on a  
public list.


I’m 24 years old and moving out on my own for the first time.

I work in a family business and am required to give 6 months  
notice. The family business won’t support me on my own…


So, I took a second 3rd shift job f/t that pays okay with benefits.

I also work off my board at the farm for the one remaining horse  
I’m keeping.


The cats don’t get along. It’s been 2 years and my geriatric cat is  
still terrified of him. They must be separated. No way, shape, or  
form can they live together. She’s FIV+ with heart problems, a  
growth on her spine, skin problems, and a herniated diaphragm. I’ve  
had her since the day she was born, and I owned her mother before  
that.


And, the hours I work caring for 2 cats is going to be hard… very  
hard. If I can foster him for a year then I’ll be working one job  
when I take him back and it would be better for all of us involved.


Steph



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:felvtalk- 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman

Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 7:28 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: RE: Need to place Chief ASAP



I can't help but wonder if there's more going on than that...

Two cats are not that expensive to feed.  I feed a lot more.  Also,  
I'm gone 65-70 hours during the week with my job and commute yet  
people who adopt my foster cats (and who visit my personal cats)  
always comment on how well socialized they are.  And I have been  
very poor at different times during my life (on unemployment and  
food stamps in San Francisco in the 1980s) but I worked through  
it.  So I tend to think there is more going on than lack of money,  
needing a smaller cheaper apartment, and two cats to feed..




If you can find a better placement for the FeLV cat, great, but it  
is really hard to place a cat with F-anything (FeLV, FIV, etc.)  If  
you want to ensure a good forever home, then it can take months and  
months before the cat is placed.




By all means, pursue it.  But I don't  see rehoming one cat as a  
quick fix.




Can you get a better job, rather than working for hours?  Improve  
your software skills, polish your resume -- in short, work smarter,  
not harder?


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Susan,

I believe you might need to reread my messages.

He's being neutered at a vet I trust. I have NOT griped over the  
price or the procedure. I trust this vet, and he's good friends  
with my large animal vet. He's an excellent vet. I'm not changing  
vets to save a few dollars.


It's the day in day out cost of having 2 cats and the fact that I'm  
scheduled to work 80+ hours and he's a very people oriented cat. He  
needs a home where people are for a while...


Steph
>
> From: Susan Hoffman
> Date: 2007/03/16 Fri PM 10:09:23 EST
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: RE: Need to place Chief ASAP
>
> You can't afford to overpay on anything, including a neuter, and  
it's really hard to find a placement, permanent or foster, for an  
unaltered male cat. It takes time after the neuter to get the  
testosterone out of a cat's system and anyone considering taking  
him in will be concerned with agression and spraying and other  
behaviors that are common in unnaltered male cats. You will have a  
much easier time placing him if he is already fixed.

>
> If the neuter is already paid for, by all means get him in and  
get it done as soon as possible. Or, if you can get the money back,  
check around for something cheaper. You don't mention where in NC  
you are. (My mom's in Hendersonville.) Let me know the town/city  
and I can check around to see what resources may be available.

>
> Stephanie E Caldwell wrote:
>
> st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }st2\:*{behavior:url 
(#default#ieooui) } Susan,

>
> I never said I can’t afford to neuter him. I said I WOULD neuter  
him if someone can take him.

>
> My other cat is very old and doesn’t like him. He gets along  
fine. It’s the FIV+ that’s the problem.

>
> I’m in North Carolina and he has a vet appt that i

Re: Hello, I am new to this form of discussion

[Gloria Lane]

Good luck to you.  I have some of the Mega C Plus, I'd try that,  
would also try daily low dose interferon, which has a variety of  
prices - ranging from expensive to cheap.  The age 2.5 - 3 yrs is a  
tough time for FELV cats, least it's been for my guys.  Give it all  
you've got.  I sure hope they do well.


Best wishes,

Gloria



On Mar 18, 2007, at 7:11 AM, catatonya wrote:

I'm sorry for your bad news, but if your cat has hemobartonella and  
is on antibiotics this is very treatable.  Don't give up!  I'm sure  
you've got lots of good info. by now.  Hang in there.  My positive  
cat is 7 years old and perfectly healthy.  It's not a death sentence!

t

C & J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I never would have thought two days ago that I would be discussing  
FeLV.  I didn't even know what it was.


Yesterday, I was devastated when I brought my favorite cat, Tomi,  
to the vet since he wasn't eating and was lethargic.  I found out  
he was severely anemic because of a parasite in the blood and he  
tested positive for FeLV.


The Vet was hinting that it didn't look good for Tomi, but I  
insisted they go ahead with a blood transfusion and antibiotics to  
treat the parasite.  They said it was likely he got the parasite  
because of a weakened immune system.


I have four other cats besides Tomi, and I brought them all in,  
kicking and screaming to be tested today.  We found out that the  
kitten we took in the same time as Tomi (and his best friend) Kisa,  
also is positive, though she isn't showing any signs of it yet.   
They are both 2.5 years old.


This has been an extremely hard couple of days for me, to have my  
happy family suddenly thrown into turmoil, so i've been searching  
the internet for any sign of hope.  I found out about Interferon,  
and the vet is willing to give that a try, though he has to acquire  
it from somewhere first.


I also found a site that claims Mega C Plus can really help a FeLV  
positive cat, and I ordered some, just to try, though it will  
probably take a couple of weeks to arrive.


I brought Tomi home today, and need to give him antibiotic,  
steroids, and a vitamin supplement paste with B12 in it.  I sure am  
not looking forward to shoving all these pills and the paste down  
his throat (the paste is supposed to taste good, but he doesn't  
like it).


Now i'm basically waiting to see if Tomi can produce red blood  
cells on his own, and if he can't, then the transfusion will only  
be a temporary solution.  I just can't bear to lose him, and  
possibly Kisa if she starts showing symptoms.


This terrible disease sure makes you miss the happiness you had in  
your life before you are introduced to FeLV.

Re: OT - HELP, Cat crying all night long.

[Gloria Lane]

Some in our group use Elavil ear cream - to relax a stressed kitty.   
Also of course, Rescue Remedy, as someone mentioned.


Gloria



On Mar 18, 2007, at 1:23 PM, Marylyn wrote:

Try Feliway spray and Rescue Remedy.  The cat is very puzzled as to  
where he is and why.  No one explained this to him.  He may be used  
to staying up at night and have his days and nights confused.  If  
this is so a vet may be able to give the adopter some sort of  
tranquiller to help the cat get turned around.







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- Original Message -
From: Kelley Saveika
To: felvtalk
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 1:14 PM
Subject: OT - HELP, Cat crying all night long.

Hi all,

I adopted out a cat on Thursday night.  The adopter called me today  
and said he has been crying all night every night and she hasn't  
been able to sleep at all.  He is fine during the day, very  
affectionate, likes to give her kisses, but he will not let her  
sleep.  I need suggestions, or else this adopter will return this  
cat.  As he's a black cat, he is not going to have too many  
options.  She is not petting him when he is crying.  He is eating  
and using the litterbox.  I don't know how to get this adopter past  
this.  She's willing to try things for a few more days, but I don't  
think much longer than that.


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Re: Dilemma - Mixing (was consistent...)

[Gloria Lane]

Just wondering who out there has mixed and had negatives turned  
positive?


Thanks...

Gloria



On Mar 19, 2007, at 9:34 PM, wendy wrote:


This is assuming that the unvaccinated cats were not
already born with it or carrying it; we seem to never
be able to say for sure that that wasn't the case.
This virus is SO frustrating sometimes!!!

:)
Wendy

--- Beth Noren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi,
Just a quick point, it is probably safe to mix
VACCINATED negatives with your positive.
There is at least one list member who had 3
unvaccinated cats turn positive after unknowingly
mixing with an felv+...

Regards,
Beth


On 3/19/07, wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Donna,

A lot of us here mix our positives and negatives,
mainly because we did not know we had a positive
initially.  But once most of us found out, we felt
separating the kitties would be more stressful

than

risking a positive contracting the virus.  I don't
think many here, if any, have had that happen.

I've

been a member here for a year and a half.  Thus,

the

general consensus here is that as adult cats, it

is

difficult to contract the virus.  Kittens are much
more susceptible, and bite wounds an easier way of
contracting.  I am not sure what to make of the
conflicting test results.  We do know that there

are a

lot of false positives and false negatives, which
doesn't help your situation.  I've never heard of

the

PCR Assay test.  How many others do you have in

your

home and how old are they?  Do you think they

would

get along with Elise?

:)
Wendy

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I am looking to the group for experiences on

dealing

with
a cat whose scenario is as written below. I

would

very much
like to hear from anyone who may have

experienced,

or be
currently experiencing, this same thing. Advice

and

guidance is sought. Here is the dilemma:

"I have a kitty I rescued at about 12 weeks old
around
3 yrs ago. She had a bad uri at the time of

rescue

but
snap combo tested fiv/felv negative. The vet
vaccinated
her while she will sick with this uri (I wasn't

too

happy
about that myself). I always retest kittens and

upon

her
retest about a month later she came up slight

felv+.


I had an elisa done which was positive. I had

more

snap tests done - all of them all came up slight
positive. I eventually had an IFA done and a PCR
Assay
done. The PCR Assay for felv (done with blood,

not

bone marrow, of course) was negative. All of

these

tests were done over the course of 2 years (I've

had

her for 3 yrs now). The last snap combo test I

had

done - just out of curiosity - was March of last
year
and that came up slight positive again.

Unfortunately, Elise (or Lisee Angel as I call

her

because she has a big white 'angel' on her back

:),

has been relegated to the only place I could

keep

her
all this time, which is a relatively small spare
bedroom.

I had always hoped I'd be able to at least let

her

integrate at some point with the rest of the

house,

but her consistent slight felv+ snap combo test
worries me too much. Even though the PCR Assay

was

negative, she keeps testing slight positive on

the

snap combo test. I am so confused about the more
extensive test being negative, but all the lower
level
tests being positive.

I feel so awful that she is stuck in that spare
room,
and I cannot imagine her having to live her

entire

life in that one room. I just don't know what

else I

can do."

The dilemma is not really knowing if she is, or

is

not,
felv positive and should she, or should she not,

be

allowed to integrate with non-positives?

Thanks to all,
Donna





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Re: any other catfood suggestions

[Gloria Lane]

I go thru phases of buying only the best food I can find, and also  
buying off the shelf, whatever they'll eat.  But my cats that were  
fed on Friskies, Meow Mix, etc, have lived long lives, about 18  
years, and that's pretty good. Right now I'm buying expensive food,  
because the poison packets are not available for my elderly kitties.   
But I've in general become more casual about food, and of course  
trying to not spend too much.


What does bother me, also, about the pet food industry, is the  
cruetly of the testing that they seem to do on dogs and cats.   Maybe  
that's why they use facilities outside the USA.  Don't know but it  
bothers me.


Gloria




On Mar 24, 2007, at 1:25 PM, Susan Hoffman wrote:

My personal cats average around 18 years (including one who was FIV 
+).  The canned food of choice is Friskies.  I buy it at Walmart or  
on sale at the grocery store.  I tried upgrading their dry food to  
something corn-free but, after I caught them digging through the  
crunchy bowls to get at the cheap stuff on the bottom, I relented  
and picked up a bag of Meow Mix.  They get liberal servings of  
people food and, again, I shop sales.  The fosters all get the same  
as my own cats.


18 is a pretty good life for a cat.  The diet doesn't seem to be  
hurting them a bit.  They all get lots of love and have the run of  
the place, lots of freedom, soft beds, clean litterboxes, toys and  
cat trees and each other for company.  I think that's why they live  
long lives -- life is good, why leave?


Diet only goes so far.  Love sustains any of us more than food ever  
will.


catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Beth,
Please don't take one person's word as the opinion of the list.  We  
do what we can.  And I applaud you for your rescue work.  I have  
had friends whose cats lived much longer, healthier lives than my  
own have who ate supermarket generic brands.  I am sure you do the  
best you can for your cats, and please try not to be offended by  
the entire list based on one person's patronizing attitude.


tonya

Gussies mom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
This is ridiculous. I come to this list because I have a sick baby  
that I love very much. A cat that is not even "mine", though I  
wouldn't give him up for the world. I'm looking for help and  
support. Now I'm being told I feed my cats CRAP because I feed  
Science Diet because that is what the shelter gives me. Now I'm  
being told I should give up my cats to someone who can feed them  
better. My cats are all from the streets. They are problem cats  
that nobody else wanted. Who would you suggest take them? I do  
rescue. There are thousands of people trying to give up their  
animals. Should the shelter I work with, that took in 700 animals  
last year, not take in unwanted animals or pull them from death row  
because, after all, we will be feeding them Science Diet CRAP?  
Should we not have taken in the cats with the broken legs, the one  
that needed heart surgery, the one that was lit on fire, the ones  
who's teeth are bad and have to be pulled, the ones who were kept  
in chicken coops their whole lives, the ones who are so neglected  
they are afraid of human touch, the ones who were sent by their  
wonderful owners to live out their last days awaitng the gas  
chamber because they grew old or became to much work; because we  
would have to feed them Science Diet?
I guess we should have told them we couldn't spend all that money  
on medical care for them because we needed to feed them more  
expensive food. I'm sure they would have understood. Perhaps we  
should have left Stamp crying in the bushes at the Post Office. I'm  
sure someone in that run down neighborhood would have come along  
and given him a much better home with better food. I'm sure there  
were people just lined up!


My cats are taken care of. They go to the vet when they are sick.  
They are loved. That's probably more than most cats in this world  
have.


I buy my clothes at thrift shops - yes, you can find nice things  
there. I just sold an 11 year old car with 200,000 miles and bought  
a care with 91,000 miles.  I struggle to pay $425 per month for  
health insurance with a 2,500 deductible. I don't go out to eat a  
lot. I ususally eat yogurt for dinner. I struggle to fund a 401K  
every month so I will have money in my old age. . The last vacation  
I took (first in about 10 years) was driving a paid for rental car  
(someone had hit my car, so I got a free rental) to Florida to stay  
for free with a friend who lives by the beach. We all struggle to  
make choices. I believe in personal responsibility. If have to take  
care of myself. Yes, that comes first. Because if I cannot do that,  
then I surely cannot take care of another living thing.


Beth

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Re: What to do with feral cat attacking my cats

[Gloria Lane]

Which side of Dallas are you on?

Gloria


On Apr 1, 2007, at 4:04 PM, wendy wrote:


Any idea on how to find a feral group who will help me
with this?  A group close to Dallas?  I take great
pride in doing new things myself, but this is not
something I'm comfortable with and I don't want to
hurt the cat.  Plus, I don't really know where to find
him.  When I see him, he's here and there in the
neighborhood.

Thanks!
:)
Wendy

--- "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Trap him and have him NEUTERED, and then release
him. Neutering will greatly decrease
his aggressiveness... AND help control pet
overpopulation!

Phaewryn

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Re: Bandy and the ringworm

[Gloria Lane]

When I use the golden seal, I put it on every day.  The kind without  
alcohol, can go on the face too. The nutritional support sounds good  
- the colostrum and interferon etc.


I was just looking at some other alternative stuff for one of my  
kitties, and found this, which mentions ringworm - I didn't know this  
kind of stuff was anti-fungal too -
http://www.nzymes.com/ 
product_blackleaf_black_walnut_olive_leaf_tincture.htm


I've also been told to use 1/4 of a Program tablet with cats, for  
ringworm.


Good luck.

Gloria


On Jun 14, 2006, at 8:16 AM, Kerry Roach wrote:


Hi everyone,
We have been away for awhile, just too much going on with this  
ringworm and work...it is all I can do to tend to all of that...
I am sorry for the losses some of you have had recently...you are  
always in our thoughts and prayers...
Anyway, bandy's entire face has ringworm on it and I have used  
almost the whole bottle of conofite...they said I am going to have  
to give him the fulvicin to get rid of it..I just hate that, but I  
may have no other choice.  The eye drops with the pred in them are  
keeping it from going away faster..or that is what his eye spec  
said would happen..I try to keep it off the best I can with cotton  
balls then put the topical meds for the ringworm on there last with  
some other eye ointment to keep down infection..Inky (my 19yr old)  
had it, too, but I his has healed ok as it was on his back..and the  
hair has already come back...But Bandy is miserable...He has hurt  
his leg again due to climbing I guess..He is eating good and fever  
seems to be about the same..he gets that about every 7 to 9  
days..so I still give him 1/2 dex pill...and it goes away..
I forgot to mentiion I think a few weeks ago, we did a complete  
blood panel on Bandy and it was the first one since last Aug...His  
PCV was 30.4...so something must be working for that...he is making  
rbc so that is a positive thing for sure...
His eyes are clear and he can see some...the pupils don't  
move...they are stuck in a fixed position, but as long as he is on  
the pred drops, he should be able to see some..

He is eating good and playing some..
I still give him lysine from the pill on each meal with some folic  
acid and bovine colostrum...also Co Q10...He is on interferon same  
as since last Aug. and 1/2 cc baytril.
Please let me know if there is anything else I can try for the  
ringworm.  I put some goldenseal on it too...I just don't know what  
else to do..I feel so bad for him as I know he hates all the meds  
for the ringworm..
Head butts to all your furr babies..and hoping everyone is doing  
well today..

Kerry, Bandy, Inky and Angels Buster, Little Rascal and Snoopy
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Re: OT-Anyone know of safe ways to deal w/ ants?

[Gloria Lane]

I just used vinegar window cleaner, commercial, Windex I think.   
Didn't wipe it off, just soaked the window sill with it for a couple  
of days.  So far so good.


Gloria



On Jun 14, 2006, at 9:07 AM, tamara stickler wrote:

Someone once told me Bounce dryer sheets are a good ant repellent,  
and to put them in the window sills between the windowsI had  
such a huge colony of the large black ants right outside my dining  
rm windows, I put two sheets on top of their hills hoping they'd  
move away from the house a bit...within twenty minutes they had  
completely buried both sheets and now have a "clean fresh linen"  
smelling wall to wall carpet on the first floor of their hill!   
They have the snazziest colony for miles!  They seemed very  
greatful!  (hehee...ol' well.)


Cayenne might work on ants...but squirrels and chipmonks LOVE it!   
I used it to deter a black snake that refused to relocate.all  
it did was attrack prey for him to eat...and the squirrels simply  
went ballistic!  Like crack cocaine to them!


"spearmint leaves being good deterrents"- sorry...the huge coloney  
of large black ants that I have.part of their colony is  
actually located IN my spearmint patch!


One thing that did work...to keep the ants in check...but doesn't  
completely kill the colony (usually)..are nematodes (sp?)  
microscopic bugs that you can get freeze dried, mix with water to  
bring them back to life and dump the water down the holes outside.   
They attack the larva and the ants themselves to some  
degree...keeping the colony number down to a managable level, but  
they won't hurt your garden, birds, other animals..etc.For best  
results, treat twice a yearif you want you can buy enough to  
pour around your outside foundationto create a barrierdo it  
often enough and they will find the ground unpleasant to set up  
home in...  The plus here is that it actually IS NON TOXIC to your  
pets, so that if they walk through the wet solution...it won't hurt  
them like toxic over the counter sprays and baits that they can  
track in on their feet, consume and get sick/die from.


You can get Nematodes online ...http://store.arbico-organics.com/ 
ants.html or check your local feed storeSouthern States carries  
them...well...order forms for them anyway.
Someone recently suggested vinegar...& I've also heard Baby powder  
works...but I haven't tried either yet.


Good luck.


Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I  use Grants Ant stakes to keep ants out of the house.

gwork <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm sorry; I should've specified  
that I intended this mix as an outdoor
spray to prevent ants from even entering the house. Do you think it  
would

still be toxic with the dilution and the fact that you would simply be
wiping a surface with it? What would your recommendation be for the  
ants?


Kris
http://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com
- Original Message -
From: "TenHouseCats"
To:
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 9:36 PM
Subject: Re: OT-Anyone know of safe ways to deal w/ ants?


> tea tree oil is toxic to cats!
>
> On 6/12/06, gwork wrote:
>>
>> I have also heard cayenne works, but have never used it. I do  
know that

>> the
>> proper treatment can depend on what type of ants they are. I  
also found

>> on
>> the 'net that 8 oz. of a natural soap (peppermint, lavender, tea  
tree)

>> mixed
>> with 1 oz. essential oil (citronella, cinammon, rose, tea tree) and
>> diluted
>> with water is supposed to make a good spray/wash. You add 5  
tbsp. of

>> this
>> mix to a quart of water. I wonder if the health food store would  
already
>> have a premixed solution. I have heard of the boric acid/sugar  
mix, but

>> that is a killing mixture vs. a deterrent.
>>
>> Kris
>> http://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Ashleigh Smith
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 2:46 PM
>> Subject: Re: OT-Anyone know of safe ways to deal w/ ants?
>>
>> I've heard cayenne works too, but I've never personally used it.
>>
>> ~Ashleigh
>>
>> Barb Moermond wrote:
>> I seem to recall spearmint leaves being good deterrents.
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> All of sudden we have bunches of little red ants in our house.  
My hubby
>> likes to use Terro, which I don't like at all around the furkids  
& my

>> human
>> kid. Any ideas? Thanks!
>>
>>
>> Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito
>>
>> "My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely
>> living
>> his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."
>>

OT - HELP-Trans Bluffton, OH to Nashville, TN 6/24

[Gloria Lane]

Begin forwarded message:


From: Linda Mercer/Purebred Cat Breed Rescue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: June 21, 2006 1:09:42 AM CDT
To: Recipient list suppressed:;
Subject: BEGGING! MI/OH/IN/TN/GA  Still need Bluffton, OH to  
Nashville, TN 6/24


Our Midwest rescue resources are full to overflowing, we MUST move  
cats from Michigan to make room for cats at high risk in the  
Midwest who otherwise might die.  We have more than 30 cats taken  
from high-risk situations that have been fully vetted and are  
boarding at a vet office in Michigan. We have space for ten of them  
in Powder Springs, GA (metro Atlanta), with experts ready to take  
on socializing the 2 more-feral-acting of the cats, but we have to  
get them there. We simply cannot wait any longer as there is  
presently no available room for cats at high risk in the shelters  
in that area. PLEASE HELP!!


If you can help, please contact me directly by changing the subject  
line of this message to: "TRANSPORT HELP 6/24" and replying  
privately (NOT on list)...OR by calling me toll free at  
888-303-9454. I don't want to miss an offer!


If you cannot transport, PLEASE help by telling others about this  
plea to help us find transporters!


Linda

 *PLEASE CROSS POST WIDELY*
  CLINTON TOWNSHIP, MI - POWDER SPRINGS, GA
 SATURDAY - JUNE 24th
   *ALL LEGS ARE VERY FLEXIBLE*

REASON FOR TRANSPORT: Vet (from Shelter) to Rescue

COMING FROM: Parkway Small Animal & Exotic Hospital & Animal  
Activity Center

   39319 Garfield Rd.
   Clinton Twp., MI 48038
   Office phone: 586-416-8800
   Email: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
   Emergency Contact: Thomas M. Bankstahl  
DVM - cell phone: 586-709-1900


DESTINATION:   Atlanta Persian & Siamese Rescue, Inc - Cheryl  
Darity

3705 New Macland Road
Suite 200, Box 148
Powder Springs, GA 30127
http://www.petfinder.com/ 
shelters/GA124.html

Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cell Phone: 404-272-8962
Work Phone: 678-569-4324
Shelter Phone:  770-694-6275

ORGANIZATION RESPONSIBLE FOR TRANSPORT:
 CFA Purebred Rescue, Inc
 http://cfapurebredrescue.org

TRANSPORT COORDINATOR:  Linda Mercer
  President &  
Rescue Coordinator
  CFA Purebred  
Rescue, Inc., http://cfapurebredrescue.org (501c3)
  TOLL FREE PHONE:  
888-303-9454
  Email:  
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


PASSENGERS: 10 Cats
 Bok Choy -- spayed brown female persian, temperamental, dental  
disease
 Brussel Sprout-- spayed female grey/white persian, declawed,  
friendly
 Turnip-- friendly, male gray neutered persian, declawed,  
moderate tartar

 Potato--spayed brown/black female persian, declawed
 Spinach--spayed female persian
 Lima Bean--spayed and declawed brown tabby persian
 Green Bean--spayed dilute tortie female
 male neutered chinchilla male persian feral but showing some  
signs of socializing--

 female spayedpersian cream colored --FERAL
 cream colored persian feral female --FERAL
ALTERED: Yes
TESTED NEGATIVE FOR FIV/FELV:  Yes
UTD ON RABIES & OTHER VACS:  Yes
Health Records will travel with cats
CARRIERS: Will be provided

 *PLEASE CROSS POST WIDELY*
  CLINTON TOWNSHIP, MI - POWDER SPRINGS, GA
 SATURDAY - JUNE 24th
   *ALL LEGS ARE VERY FLEXIBLE*

Leg 1: Clinton Township, MI to Toledo, OH - FILLED - Thank you, Lori!
  Total Est. Time: 1 hour, 22 minutes Total Est.  
Distance: 78.12 miles

   Depart:  7:00 AM  Arrive: 8:22 AM  - Eastern Time

Leg 2: Toledo, OH to Bluffton, OH  - FILLED - Thank you, Lori!
   Total Est. Time: 1 hr 15 mins  Total Est. Distance: 63  
miles

   Depart: 8:30AM  Arrive: 9:45 AM  - Eastern Time

Leg 3: Bluffton, OH to Troy, OH  - NEED
   Total Est. Time: 1 hr 15 mins  Total Est. Distance: 70  
miles

  Depart:  9:50 AM  Arrive: 11:05 AM  - Eastern Time

Leg 4: Troy, OH to Cincinnatti, OH  - NEED
   Total Est. Time: 1 hr 15 mins  Total Est. Distance:  
70 miles

   Depart:  11:10 AM   Arrive: 12:25 PM - Eastern Time

Leg 5: Cincinnatti, OH to Lexington, KY - NEED
  Total Est. Time: 1 hr 30mins  Total Est. Distance: 83 miles
   Depart:  12:30 PM   Arrive: 2:00 PM - Eastern Time

Leg 6: Lexington, KY to Elizabethtown, KY - NEED
  

Re: help!

[Gloria Lane]

I'm not sure if you mean 9 year old or 9 month old...

Anyhow, my heart goes out to you.  It's tough to try to get help and  
find that some vets are not always gentle and kind with your baby.   
I've had that happen, it's heart-wrenching, it's awful.


Re the vet - wondering why you don't call the last vet - who did the  
surgery, if he was ok.  Might be able to get some help with a phone  
call and not necessarily an office visit - maybe a different  
antibiotic or something.


Pus coming from her anus would make me think she's got infection in  
her bowel.  I'd guess she needs plenty of fluids - do you knwo how to  
administer sub-q fluids at home?  Might be a good thing to ask  
about.  She might need another enema, and I hate those things - tell  
them to be gentle.  With my consitpated older kitty, I used to use  
Lactulose, and and also some homeopathic remedies, as well as giving  
him a little mineral oil sometimes. I also liked Vitamin C for my  
constipated kitty.  But i don't know, with the pus... again you might  
call and ask the vet about what you can do at home.


Best of luck,

Gloria


On Jun 25, 2006, at 1:45 PM, l.j. crabtree wrote:

when she was disgnosed about 6 months ago i prescribed to your list  
and she seemed to be doing we got much information to make living  
with he felv better.


my 9 yr. old Felv kitten is very ill...we had a very stressful  
appointment and will never go back to that vet again, even though  
he came highly recommended. he manhandled her and she never really  
seemed the same after that.


i researched my options and also lurked here to get infor regarding  
minnie's maintenance. .. she receives a wonderful fresh diet now  
and also a number of suppliments y'all have been so sweet to  
recommend. she seemed to be maintaining until about 2-3 weeks  
ago then i noticed she had not been defecating for a few  
days... and a mass in her abdomen. it was last weekend that i  
rushed her to our animal emergency clinic. i had a sneaking feeling  
that she might be impacted.


the doctors seemed very capable and very caring. they found her to  
be slightly dehydrated and a high fever... they stabilized her with  
IV meds, gave her two enemas on saturday then took some  
radiograms... they did not see anything that seemed like a tumor.  
the doc stuck a syringe into the area and drew out fluid which  
showed she had a bad infection, probably an abcess.
they sedated her and sure neough there was an abcess. they placed  
two drains in her abdomen, and i got to bring her home, with orders  
to give her claamox for a week and return to have the tubes  
removed. she seemed to be doing better until mid week when i  
noticed no bowel movement ( or at least i didn't see where she had  
produced), and she wasn't as perky. took her back friday, they  
removed the tubes. her appetite was good (gave her pumpkin which  
she readily ate with her meal) over the weekend and the first part  
of the week. she has not had a bowel movement but still is leaking  
some of the pus from her anus. i am going to take her into another  
vet tomorrow, if i can sneak her in.


any ideas/obsevations? i am so afraid this is it