Re: [Finale] octaves, broken, not rolled?
In MT the spread mark is used often for octaves. The word 'Bell' is written a fair bit too if the notes are so functioning. Steve P. On 6 Feb 2012, at 02:13, Linda Worsley li...@ganymuse.com wrote: This is not really a Finale question as much as a notation question. After all these years, I should know this, but ... duh. I am correcting a Finale piano score for a client, and he has several places where he wants high octaves played in a bell-like manner by breaking them (as if the lower note is a grace note, but both notes held). He has the wiggly rolled chord mark, and it looks wrong to me. But maybe not. Is there some standard way to notate this without Mahler-like copious notes about bell sounds and the like. Thanks, Linda Worsley ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Recording the singing of lyrics on the Finale Audio Tract as the score is playing
On 2/5/2012 11:42 PM, Raymond Horton wrote: Finale does not save as MP3. No program does everything. [snip] Yes it does (well, not everything, but it does save as mp3) -- in Fin2012, right in the Export As Audio function where you have to tell the program where to save the audio file and what name to save it under, you get to select whether to save as Standard Audio File (wave) or Compressed mp3 file. In earlier versions I believe there was a similar choice but it was not obvious where to change the setting. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Recording the singing of lyrics on the Finale Audio Tract as the score is playing
If I remember correctly, it will only save as MP3 if you are using midi, it won't save MP3 if you using Garritan. (I would love to be proved wrong on this one!) Cheers, Lawrence -- Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Recording the singing of lyrics on the Finale Audio Tract as the score is playing
The only practical way to produce an mp3, especially with an added vocal track, is to save as midi, and import into a DAW like Logic or Cubase. Finale is not a one stop shop for anything other than notation. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Recording problems with save to audio (was lyrics)
On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 6:30 AM, David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com wrote: On 2/5/2012 11:42 PM, Raymond Horton wrote: Finale does not save as MP3. No program does everything. [snip] Yes it does (well, not everything, but it does save as mp3) -- in Fin2012, right in the Export As Audio function where you have to tell the program where to save the audio file and what name to save it under, you get to select whether to save as Standard Audio File (wave) or Compressed mp3 file. In earlier versions I believe there was a similar choice but it was not obvious where to change the setting. Hey, I was wrong - not the first or last time. OK, smarty-pants (and I mean that in the best possible sense of the term) can you, or anyone else, help me with this one, on the same subject? I mentioned that I have often inconsistent results with the Save as Audio function. In December, for a church service, I arranged a score for an ensemble of about 10 instruments that was to accompany a singer. For another service, at which the instrumental ensemble could not be present, the same song and singer was needed, so we wanted accompaniment trax from the Finale file. The music director for that service also runs a small recording studio, and he wanted each instrumental GPO group on a separate WAV file. He was going to sync them up, balance them separately, and add live drums. It was to be about six separate wav files. The first three or four Saved to Audio just fine, but then, with no notice or anything done differently, the remaining Save to Audio WAV files where unusable - the balance would be totally off, even changing balance in the middle of the file, or other problems. So I had to record the remaining files in real time to Audacity. Ever since then Save as Audio results in unusable audio - mostly the resulting wav file is very soft, or most instruments will be soft while the percussion is very loud, etc. As I said, I haven't changed anything. I appreciate any suggestions. Raymond Horton Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC Composer, Arranger VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Recording problems with save to audio (was lyrics)
On 2/6/2012 9:49 AM, Raymond Horton wrote: Hey, I was wrong - not the first or last time. OK, smarty-pants (and I mean that in the best possible sense of the term) can you, or anyone else, help me with this one, on the same subject? I'm not that much of a smarty-pants, sorry to say. (wink, wink) I have no clue why the results would be so vastly different. I assume you rebooted the computer, or at least restarted Finale, and the problem continued? In that case I might try extracting all the parts and then opening each part individually in Finale and saving it as a wave file. Perhaps that might avoid the problem. If it doesn't then I'd look to some expression or other marking that you edited from a different expression which had playback assigned that you forgot to remove. If you export the complete file with all parts as a wave file, does the problem show itself? But none of that would explain why since that time your audio has been off. Perhaps the Mixer window needs to be looked at, or the settings in the Instrument window? Why did the music director want to go to all that extra work re-combining the individual wave files when you, one would assume, had all the balance issues worked out in the Finale file itself. I'm sorry I don't have better answers to help you out. David I mentioned that I have often inconsistent results with the Save as Audio function. In December, for a church service, I arranged a score for an ensemble of about 10 instruments that was to accompany a singer. For another service, at which the instrumental ensemble could not be present, the same song and singer was needed, so we wanted accompaniment trax from the Finale file. The music director for that service also runs a small recording studio, and he wanted each instrumental GPO group on a separate WAV file. He was going to sync them up, balance them separately, and add live drums. It was to be about six separate wav files. The first three or four Saved to Audio just fine, but then, with no notice or anything done differently, the remaining Save to Audio WAV files where unusable - the balance would be totally off, even changing balance in the middle of the file, or other problems. So I had to record the remaining files in real time to Audacity. Ever since then Save as Audio results in unusable audio - mostly the resulting wav file is very soft, or most instruments will be soft while the percussion is very loud, etc. As I said, I haven't changed anything. I appreciate any suggestions. Raymond Horton Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC Composer, Arranger VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Recording problems with save to audio (was lyrics)
On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 10:22 AM, David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com wrote: I have no clue why the results would be so vastly different. I assume you rebooted the computer, or at least restarted Finale, and the problem continued? Yes, I haven't reinstalled, which I am tempted to try. In that case I might try extracting all the parts and then opening each part individually in Finale and saving it as a wave file. Perhaps that might avoid the problem. Yes, that might, in that case. If it doesn't then I'd look to some expression or other marking that you edited from a different expression which had playback assigned that you forgot to remove. I did just discover or re-discover that, if, for example, the tempo marking is in the top stave and that stave is muted, it will be ignored. This might be some clue, in that particular case. If you export the complete file with all parts as a wave file, does the problem show itself? Up to that point it was OK, but I don't think I tried it again after the problem started. But none of that would explain why since that time your audio has been off. Perhaps the Mixer window needs to be looked at, or the settings in the Instrument window? I am 99% certain that none of those changed, because when I recorded directly to Audacity the playback was just what I had set. Why did the music director want to go to all that extra work re-combining the individual wave files when you, one would assume, had all the balance issues worked out in the Finale file itself. Yeah - sensible question. I had mixed it pretty well, but he had the ability to mix in ProTools and wanted to do it. He added himself playing drums instead of the weak drum part I had notated, and had planned on adding guitar until he realized it wasn't needed. The final result sounded VERY much like what I had, even with the live drums, which were light. I'm sorry I don't have better answers to help you out. David I appreciate the effort, and promote you now to Smarty-shirt (!?) I mentioned that I have often inconsistent results with the Save as Audio function. In December, for a church service, I arranged a score for an ensemble of about 10 instruments that was to accompany a singer. For another service, at which the instrumental ensemble could not be present, the same song and singer was needed, so we wanted accompaniment trax from the Finale file. The music director for that service also runs a small recording studio, and he wanted each instrumental GPO group on a separate WAV file. He was going to sync them up, balance them separately, and add live drums. It was to be about six separate wav files. The first three or four Saved to Audio just fine, but then, with no notice or anything done differently, the remaining Save to Audio WAV files where unusable - the balance would be totally off, even changing balance in the middle of the file, or other problems. So I had to record the remaining files in real time to Audacity. Ever since then Save as Audio results in unusable audio - mostly the resulting wav file is very soft, or most instruments will be soft while the percussion is very loud, etc. As I said, I haven't changed anything. I appreciate any suggestions. Raymond Horton Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC Composer, Arranger VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Fin11 percussion - repost
when using speedy entry. You can engage the caps lock key and have the cursor jump from pitch to pitch using the qwerty keyboard. this might help? Mark McCarron From: Aaron Sherber aa...@sherber.com To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2012 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] Fin11 percussion - repost Hi all, I wanted to follow up on this for the list's benefit, now that I've played with it for a while. I tried following the instructions in the post Jonathan sent, but I couldn't really get it working. Though I do see the logic of what's going on. On the other hand, I did finally get things working to my satisfaction, for my setup. In reading this, keep in mind that I do Speedy with the computer keyboard in 3-octave mode, so things I say here may not apply to other entry methods. In the past, percussion maps let you specify what pitch you wanted to input, what pitch you wanted output, and where on the staff you wanted this instrument to display. In Fin11, by default the input pitch is the same as the staff display, so if you have an instrument set up to display on the third line of the staff, you would enter B4 to trigger this instrument (regardless of the instrument -- you can still define the playback instrument to be whatever you want). For me, this is perfect, since it's the setup I always want. In the past, I was always having to manually define the input pitch to match the staff display, so this is easier. (I think Jonathan's method may be designed for the case when you *don't* want input and display to be the same, so that you could have, for example, 5 adjacent keys on your MIDI keyboard triggering 5 different sounds which display on the 5 staff lines.) Another benefit is that in the past, during Speedy, the instrument that sounded during note entry corresponded to the MIDI in pitch I was playing, not the MIDI out pitch I had mapped. So I could be entering snare and toms but hearing whistles and guiros during input; it was only on playback that the map was applied and I got the right sounds. Now I hear the correct sounds during input. Another plus. The drawback -- and I think it's a pretty big one -- is that there is a bug related to my form of Speedy. In the piece I'm working on now, I've got 5 percussion instruments displaying on the 5 staff lines, so the input pitches I hit to get them are E4, G4, B4, D5, and F5. If I'm moving among adjacent lines, there's no problem. But if I've just entered a note on the top line and my next note is on the bottom line, hitting E4 only moves me down one line at a time -- I have to hit the key 4 times before I'm finally on the right line. In other words, entering a pitch higher or lower than my current location acts as though I've pressed the up or down arrow key, although the cursor will eventually come to rest on the desired staff location. There are some more nuances to this bug, and I'll take it up with support. Aaron. On 1/23/2012 1:32 PM, Jonathan Smith wrote: Hi Aaron, This is a minefield, but I found a post on the Makemusic website last year that helped me a lot in solving the problem but it is not easy! Jonathan Here is the post: All this assumes that you're able to get your MIDI sounds loaded and you can trigger the sounds via a MIDI keyboard/controller. Make sure you're controller is on the sounds you're wanting to assign. This will help tons. Also, I don't know if this is always the case, but I've found that you need to do all of this BEFORE you enter any notes. I don't know, that's just how it seems to work for me. Anyway... *breath deep* 1—go to MIDI/AUDIO 2—DEVICE SETUP 3—EDIT PERCUSSION MIDI MAPS Once you're here, you're wanting to create your own map so: 4—choose NEW and give it a title, like myMidiMaps or anything 5—now you need to give the map you're creating a name (easyOrchestral, for example) Now: 6—click on SELECT A NOTE TYPE TO ADD... 7—choose your instrument label, let's say SNARE DRUM 8—now press the ADD NOTE TYPE button (an unnecessary step in my opinion) Once this is placed in the box, you now need to assign what note on your keyboard this is getting assigned to. Start pushing keys on your MIDI keyboard/controller until you come to the sound you're wanting to use. You should've noticed that under the MIDI NOTE column, the number was changing. This is the specific MIDI note that you're going to trigger with this label. Repeat steps 6—8 for your other sounds. Be sure to pay attention to what you're labeling them (what's going into the NOTE TYPE column. You'll need to use this later. When you get all your sounds assigned a label, corresponding to a MIDI NOTE, press OK. Now: 9—click on the STAFF TOOL 10—click on the staff you're wanting to assign your map to open up the STAFF ATTRIBUTES dialogue box 11—for NOTATION STYLE, choose PERCUSSION 12—click on SELECT next to PERCUSSION 13—in
Re: [Finale] Fin11 percussion - repost
On 2/6/2012 11:52 AM, Mark McCarron wrote: when using speedy entry. You can engage the caps lock key and have the cursor jump from pitch to pitch using the qwerty keyboard. this might help? That's exactly the entry method I always use -- the 3-octave computer keyboard. My point is that it doesn't work for percussion entry in Fin11/12. Typing a pitch higher or lower than the pitch I'm currently on acts as if I hit the up or down arrow key -- the cursor jumps to the next higher or lower defined percussion note, not the specific pitch I typed. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Recording the singing of lyrics on the Finale Audio Tract as the score is playing
It is completely practical to export audio from Finale. It is also completely practical to add a single audio track (such as a vocal track) to Finale, provided the tempos match exactly. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 6 Feb 2012, at 6:59 AM, Nigel Hanley wrote: The only practical way to produce an mp3, especially with an added vocal track, is to save as midi, and import into a DAW like Logic or Cubase. Finale is not a one stop shop for anything other than notation. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] pitched to non-pitched percussion on same staff
Thanks Jonathan! I'll give that a try. You don't know if this has gotten any easier in Finale 2012 by any chance? Craig On 29 Jan 2012, at 1:00 PM, finale-requ...@shsu.edu finale-requ...@shsu.edu wrote: From: Jonathan Smith lismoremu...@wanadoo.fr Date: 29 January 2012 7:19:04 AM EST To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] pitched to non-pitched percussion on same staff Reply-To: finale@shsu.edu Hi Craig, What I do is set up and assign an expression to trigger the channel change (sometimes I just hide it or make it a blank space). Then set up another one to trigger it back again later on the staff. So for instance if your tuned percussion stave was originally set to midi channel 7, assign an expression to change that stave to channel 10 (normally the perc channel) just before the entry. Then when you want it revert back to tuned percussion again, set up another expression to change the midi back to channel 7. You will also need to assign another expression to dictate which actual 'sound' you want on the channel again, like Timpani, Glock, Xylo etc, and you do that by assigning it to a Patch change not a channel change. I usually put in a brief string of text into the description box to keep track of what the expr. is assigned to, as if you hide it or make it blank it saves digging into all the playback dialogues. Then I place the hidden Channel change very early on the staff before the entry and the patch change just before the entry, but that is usually part and parcel of the expression name like Xylophone of which I have a whole load pre-set for playback patch changes in my expressions library. Hope this helps, Jonathan Is there a way in FinMac2K11 to switch playback from pitched to non-pitched percussion on the same staff? I can get the notation to work but can't figure out how to get playback to go from vibraphone to tom-toms for example. Thanks, Craig ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] pitched to non-pitched percussion on same staff
Hi Craig, Don't know, sorry, I'm still with Fin 2011. Jonathan Thanks Jonathan! I'll give that a try. You don't know if this has gotten any easier in Finale 2012 by any chance? Craig On 29 Jan 2012, at 1:00 PM, finale-requ...@shsu.edu finale-requ...@shsu.edu wrote: From: Jonathan Smith lismoremu...@wanadoo.fr Date: 29 January 2012 7:19:04 AM EST To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] pitched to non-pitched percussion on same staff Reply-To: finale@shsu.edu Hi Craig, What I do is set up and assign an expression to trigger the channel change (sometimes I just hide it or make it a blank space). Then set up another one to trigger it back again later on the staff. So for instance if your tuned percussion stave was originally set to midi channel 7, assign an expression to change that stave to channel 10 (normally the perc channel) just before the entry. Then when you want it revert back to tuned percussion again, set up another expression to change the midi back to channel 7. You will also need to assign another expression to dictate which actual 'sound' you want on the channel again, like Timpani, Glock, Xylo etc, and you do that by assigning it to a Patch change not a channel change. I usually put in a brief string of text into the description box to keep track of what the expr. is assigned to, as if you hide it or make it blank it saves digging into all the playback dialogues. Then I place the hidden Channel change very early on the staff before the entry and the patch change just before the entry, but that is usually part and parcel of the expression name like Xylophone of which I have a whole load pre-set for playback patch changes in my expressions library. Hope this helps, Jonathan Is there a way in FinMac2K11 to switch playback from pitched to non-pitched percussion on the same staff? I can get the notation to work but can't figure out how to get playback to go from vibraphone to tom-toms for example. Thanks, Craig ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Recording the singing of lyrics on the Finale Audio Tract as the score is playing
I have Audacity and know how to convert from wav to mp3. However, I don't know how to use Finale and Audacity together. Could you explain how you record in real time to Audacity. Also, is it possible to sing and record an audio tract within Finale as the score is being played? Or does the audio tract have to be made in another program and then be imported? From: Raymond Horton horton.raym...@gmail.com when using GPO sounds. I often have to record in real time to Audacity. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Recording the singing of lyrics on the Finale Audio Tract as the score is playing
Finale 2010 does save as MP3 (though apparently not when the score contains an audio tract). (Choose Export to audio file, then in the lower left corner you can choose between Standard Audio File and Compressed MP3 File.) Madelon Mottet From: Raymond Horton horton.raym...@gmail.com Finale does not save as MP3. No program does everything. - ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] shifting notation! HELP
I opened a MIDI file in Finale (mac, 2010) and discovered that right in the middle of the pioece, all of the notation had shifted over a measure and a half. Not just one beat, not just one measure, but two eighth notes to the left in 6/8. I have NO idea how to shift them into the right position. The client who sent this also sent me a pdf, and I see that he inserted a 1/4 measure (as a pause... OY!!) just before the great shift. Is there any way I can simply tell the notation to shift two eighth notes to the right? It's a long piece, and I may have to ask the client to create a special MIDI file with just the second half, after the 1/4 measure. But since I'm faced with this problem, I wonder if any of you have run into a problem like this and know how to fix it. Gratefully, hopefully, Linda Worsley ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] shifting notation! HELP
One possible solution: Highlight the entire 6/8 section of music. Change the time to 1/4. Re-highlight the the new 1/4 section where the 6/8 measure actually starts, and change the time signature to 6/8. You may need to experiment with checking and unchecking the rebar music box for this to work the way you want it. You can then delete the 1/4 bar using the selection tool if necessary. On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Linda Worsley li...@ganymuse.com wrote: I opened a MIDI file in Finale (mac, 2010) and discovered that right in the middle of the pioece, all of the notation had shifted over a measure and a half. Not just one beat, not just one measure, but two eighth notes to the left in 6/8. I have NO idea how to shift them into the right position. The client who sent this also sent me a pdf, and I see that he inserted a 1/4 measure (as a pause... OY!!) just before the great shift. Is there any way I can simply tell the notation to shift two eighth notes to the right? It's a long piece, and I may have to ask the client to create a special MIDI file with just the second half, after the 1/4 measure. But since I'm faced with this problem, I wonder if any of you have run into a problem like this and know how to fix it. Gratefully, hopefully, Linda Worsley ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] shifting notation! HELP
In Speedy, insert enough rests to push the notes until they start the next/following measure. When it complains that there are too many beats, choose the last option to Keep moving notes until all measure Now go back and delete the empty measures. On Feb 6, 2012, at 2:35 PM, Linda Worsley wrote: I opened a MIDI file in Finale (mac, 2010) and discovered that right in the middle of the pioece, all of the notation had shifted over a measure and a half. Not just one beat, not just one measure, but two eighth notes to the left in 6/8. I have NO idea how to shift them into the right position. The client who sent this also sent me a pdf, and I see that he inserted a 1/4 measure (as a pause... OY!!) just before the great shift. Is there any way I can simply tell the notation to shift two eighth notes to the right? It's a long piece, and I may have to ask the client to create a special MIDI file with just the second half, after the 1/4 measure. But since I'm faced with this problem, I wonder if any of you have run into a problem like this and know how to fix it. Gratefully, hopefully, Linda Worsley ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale John Blane Blane Music Preparation 1649 Huntington Ln. Highland Park, IL 60035 847 579-9900 847 579-9903 fax www.BlaneMusic.com j...@blanemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] shifting notation! HELP
If it were me, I would select all the music from the place I want to shift to the end with the Selection Tool, click and drag it carefully 2 eighth notes to the right, and release. If I got it wrong, command-Z to undo and try it again. Afterward, I might have to select all and Retranscribe to get the tied notes to get fixed. Christopher On Mon Feb 6, at MondayFeb 6 3:35 PM, Linda Worsley wrote: I opened a MIDI file in Finale (mac, 2010) and discovered that right in the middle of the pioece, all of the notation had shifted over a measure and a half. Not just one beat, not just one measure, but two eighth notes to the left in 6/8. I have NO idea how to shift them into the right position. The client who sent this also sent me a pdf, and I see that he inserted a 1/4 measure (as a pause... OY!!) just before the great shift. Is there any way I can simply tell the notation to shift two eighth notes to the right? It's a long piece, and I may have to ask the client to create a special MIDI file with just the second half, after the 1/4 measure. But since I'm faced with this problem, I wonder if any of you have run into a problem like this and know how to fix it. Gratefully, hopefully, Linda Worsley ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
