Secret Santa Clue
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Laurie, I didnt get your name till late, However this just MUST be fate. Im sending your gift by USPO So hope it gets there before bad snow ! Hope you like it, 'cause it is on your list Its Christmas, so cant be too tight of fist Your Fjord should like it And so will you If you already have one I'll send something new So to town tomorrow I must go ( At least Im not driving in the snow ) Driving I am though, later in day Just before I feed some hay The team is fat so they must pay Talk to you later, if I may ! Your ( late but not my fault ) Secret Santa UMMM the elf in training takes credit for this slight little mix up, redfaced : ) Michele Noonan ELF that has it all under control now (LOL)
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2000 #339
This message is from: Alison Bakken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Sue, It sounds as if Storm needs sometime else to think about. Have you thought about doing some ground work with him. He could be taught to carry a saddle, bridle and be ground driven. Some Fjord seem to go through a time that is like the terrible two's. They do out grow it. Alison in Alberta
Secret Santa Clue for Lisa P
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm glad I got to be a Secret Santa, although I was Afraid That all the people had been picked and I was a bit delayed I wasnt the only one who had a good excuse and hadn't joined in the fun I can't say it was because I was frolicking in the sun Your Gift will soon be mailed, although I do have the dime I've been so incredibly busy and Have had no Time! (Or Wine) Heres a clue for you, I hope I dont give it away, We have a kinship to you, and we live a ways away. Sent By The elf Michele Noonan
Re: halter question
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Denise wrote: "..i have found that a thin rope halter...work best.." I have to disagree Denise. I use both types of halters, and as this is a learned behaivor to slip out of the restraint of a halter,no matter whayt type. It is completely different than pulling back or acting up in hand or tied. I also know that no matter how "hard" you tie the knot, there is slippage, and inevietable escape. Do a neck strap or bowline knot and you eliminate this problem. We've been dealing with Sven's behaivor for over 12 years now...and that of some of his offspring who seem to have the same pre-occupaton...and I know I am not the only one faced with this "problem"! nite, Karen _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Secret Santa Clue for Denise
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm your Secret Santa and I'm afraid I've been remiss, I'm not real good at clues, or posting to the List I'm Glad the holidays are over, but I do have one more gift and your name is on it, if only I didn't have to sit I'm sure I will be able to send it ASAP if only it would get warmer here up North in the USA a couple hints for you are: I'm north of you, younger than you ( not that you are old or anything,) and we havent met! I do know the elf though! Michele Noonan The elf Hey Guys if you havent yet sent clues to your recipient, Get on it! not much time left January 15th is right around the corner!
Secret Santa Clues
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Andrea Salkowe Your ponies gift is on the way, I apologize for the Chirstmas delay! When it arrives, I will be revealed, If you get me next year, it can be appealed. PS - to the person to whom I am Secret Santa on CD-L who is also on the FH-L, this message is for you too! Check the CD-L messsage board!
To Lynn Binkowski, from Secret Santa
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >From your Secret Santa. > Your name is a good one, for a male or female, But i need to know for sure, > so I dont goof up your mail > So Do I Put Mr. Or Ms. on your package? > > Wishing I could remember everyone on the list > Head Elf
Re: halter question
This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> dear marsha jo, i have heard of the "cowboy" method and seen it in books. i wouldn't use it on my horse. a noted clinician was asked about horses that pull, being tied up like this (a clinic i attended last summer). he mentioned the method you described and said he had personally seen this done. the horse died from asphyxiation, after pulling back hard enough to faint, then the body weight added more weight and squeezed the girth line even more. obviously this horse wasn't watched while being tied like this. a terrible shame. denise > The cowboy solution would involve tying up with a lariat. A standard > method for horses that pull back is to put the noose around the > animal's girth with the honda below the chest, then run the rope up > between the front legs, up thru the halter throatlatch, then thru the > tie ring, and finally tie off normally---whatever that means, for a > knot-wise equine! In theory, when Loki starts to back up, the noose > of the lariat will "squeeze" him near where your legs would, > encouraging him to step back up to the tie point, whereupon the noose > loosens again. Never tried this one
Re: halter question
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Stateline Tack actually has a horse collar on sale now for $7.90 catalog #6A-7309662 fixed rings for cross ties and a center ring for a lead rope.http://www.statelinetack.com As for Loki untying the leadrope quick release knot, I made up an extra long tie rope, about 14 feet I think and when I trailer my escape artist, Bjorken, I tie him to the trailer by running this tie rope through one of the rings on one end of the trailer and take the end down to the far end of the trailer, out of reach, to tie it. I use a shorter tie rope also, tied to the first ring, so I have a lead rope handy to untie and lead him with. Two tie ropes may look funny but he has never gotten loose, even if he has untied the knot on the short rope. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, cleear and +5 F >Buckle the collar on as snuggly as you can. Now, there are >two ways to attach the lead rope. You can run it thru the tie ring on >the halter, then snap it to the tie ring on the collar, or vice >versa---run under the collar and snapped to the halter tie ring (or >maybe even to the cheek ring, or the throatlatch ring). Changing the >attachment changes where/how he can get "leverage" to peel his halter >off. Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: halter question
This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> dear pam, i don't have near as much experience as you, but i have found that a thin rope halter, the kind with little knots in it to make the different parts of the halter, work best for my quinn. the regular nylon halters just don't get the message across as well as a rope halter. if quinn pulls on his, he gets a clear and immediate message to lighten up on it, (or me at the other end of his lead). it has made all the difference for us. quinn knows not to pull or try any of his houdini acts since we got this halter. hope that helps some, denise >>>... He is impossible to tie anywhere because he can "back out" of his halter...
Re: halter question
This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > "sandra church" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > my Loki [...] is impossible to tie anywhere because he can "back > out" of his halter. [...] He waits until my back is turned then > lowers his head, ever so slowly backs up and frees himself. [...] > He undoes quick release knots in seconds and I have had to change > almost every gate/door latch on this place. (Should I mention that > Loki is a 10 year old gelding and I am his 5th owner?) Sounds like Loki is living up to his name! You have my sympathies, as I have a donkey with similar tendencies---her name is Shadow, but I sometimes refer to her as Miss Houdini. The first thing to do is to keep Loki's bridle path trimmed as short as you can get it. Fjord ears are small to start with, and having a thick bushy mane behind them just helps the halter (or bridle) slide right up over them. (I once had my old Fjord mare give a good shake, and her bridle came off over her ears!) One thing to try is adding a "dog collar" to his halter. Measure around his throat, wherever his neck is smallest behind his ears. Go to the pet store and buy a couple of the heaviest, stoutest nylon dog collars they have (I was able to use one long one on my donkey, but it'll probably take 2, buckled end-to-end, to reach around a Fjord throat). Buckle the collar on as snuggly as you can. Now, there are two ways to attach the lead rope. You can run it thru the tie ring on the halter, then snap it to the tie ring on the collar, or vice versa---run under the collar and snapped to the halter tie ring (or maybe even to the cheek ring, or the throatlatch ring). Changing the attachment changes where/how he can get "leverage" to peel his halter off. Do it the first few times under close supervision, in case he decides to have a fit about the throat pressure---most Fjords give easily to it, but there's always the exception. Around home, I now routinely tie Shadow with just her throat collar (no halter), which I actually prefer for grooming---it stays out of the way better. And, in public, I used the throat collar as an intermediate between her halter and her driving bridle, to avoid that embarrassing moment when the animal has nothing (but training) keeping her from walking away. For trail use, Nearside Harness Shop (www.easystreet.com/~nearside/ email: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) makes a halter-bridle that incorporates this principle---it has a built-in throat-collar as well as the usual crownpiece and throatlatch. The claim is that it's impossible for a horse to rub one of these off---a serious problem when driving! The cowboy solution would involve tying up with a lariat. A standard method for horses that pull back is to put the noose around the animal's girth with the honda below the chest, then run the rope up between the front legs, up thru the halter throatlatch, then thru the tie ring, and finally tie off normally---whatever that means, for a knot-wise equine! In theory, when Loki starts to back up, the noose of the lariat will "squeeze" him near where your legs would, encouraging him to step back up to the tie point, whereupon the noose loosens again. Never tried this one If all else fails, you could have your vet fit him with a nose ring, like a bull, and tie him up by that? Just kidding! Good luck, and let us know what works! Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 15 mi SW of Roseburg, Oregon
Re: halter question
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/4/01 12:53:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > , I have a question about my Loki. He is impossible to tie > anywhere because he can "back out" of his halter. I've owned a variety of > horses for almost 40 years and have never experienced this > LOL your first problem is having a horse named after the God of Mischief! Don't have an answer for you, but it certainly is an interesting question! About the name, years ago I adopted a flat coated retriever type dog from the pound. He was so cool. But I didn't know if he'd be mellow or excitable. So I named him Loki. Low-Key. Just so I got it right one way or the other. Well, it was a very fitting name. He'd be so mellow and calm on one hand, and then turn around and get into some sort of trouble. Best dog I've ever had. When I'd fall off my horse, I'd say "Loki, send him home" and he'd herd him right back to his corral! Rambling, but the name brought back awesome memories of a dog that went everywhere and did everything with me! Pamela -wishing you luck on your unique problem!
Re: (Harnessing) The "brat"
This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > "Sue Harrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > since I am new to harnessing, which is better... collar or breast > plate? I would think that the collar would make a mess of his mane? > My husband has driven ponies before and he wants to use a collar > but I want a breastplate. For heavy work, the neck-collar is preferred, since it spreads the load better. However, a neck collar is more difficult to fit properly, and as the animal grows (or changes shape, winter to summer), you would end up buying multiple collars (and maybe multiple matching hames) to maintain the proper fit. IMHO, for a beginner, and for a growing equine, the breastcollar is a better training device. Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 15 mi SW of Roseburg, Oregon
Re: halter Houdini
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sandra, This is one of my stallion Sven's favorite tricks. He actually waits 'til your back is turned, or your attention is focused on something else for a nano-second, then he creates a downward tension on his leadrope, and will use the leadrope to literally pry the crown of the halter off over his little ears. When I am alone at shows,or we are tied up at the tie rail at the barn, this can create a problem, so we do the following: -I hobble him and tie him with his halter & leadrope, -or if I am really serious,I tie a bowline (non-tightening) knot around his throatlatch, run the rope end thru his ring on his halter and then tie him. I do this on trailer rides when I don't want him messing around in the trailer in his slant type stall. I know I will get a few alarmed responses about using a bowline like this, but he respects it, and I have seen horses that ALWAYS are tied this way (they actually never use a halter) and they are fine. Hope this helps. Karen McCarthy Great Basin Fjords Carson City, NV _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
The "brat"
This message is from: "Sue Harrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >But of course it's important to have the horses in a large field so >the brat can escape when the 'schooling' starts That is the problem. Too small a paddock and the older gelding is known for kicking horses out through the fence. When I went out last night to feed, he was out...had decided that there was no current in the fence (due to frozen ground and snow) and simply ran through 2 strands of wire. Thank goodness he was pastured alone and did not go on the road! When there "is" current in the fence and he wants out, he will corner another horse, cut it out almost like a cutting horse works cows, swing in and vicously kick it right through the fence. We have Storm, the Arab and the old mare in a seperate small paddock. They are fine alone but if Sundance (older gelding) is in with them he attempts to kick my adorable little Fjord "brat" right into the page wire. Storm could get badly injured! I can't see any way to allow them together due to the limited amount of space. Storm does not have a mean bone in his body around us. He has never kicked or showed any signs of meanness. I guess I am lucky there. I have saddled him and rubbed plastic bags, bags of shavings and finally as I mentioned in another note, a tarp was pulled over him and me last night. He is totally ok with whatever I do. Sure hope he as is easy to handle when I attempt to line drive him next summer. I have never done this before but we will blunder through someway I am sure.(: Thanks everyone for your advice. Oh yes, since I am new to harnessing, which is better... collar or breast plate? I would think that the collar would make a mess of his mane? My husband has driven ponies before and he wants to use a collar but I want a breastplate. Storm was harness broken a bit by the guy we bought him from, when he was a year old so he does know what a harness is already. >Our stalls open directly into their paddock. I used to wait to clean >out when they were busy with their hay. Now I go out when they are >bored and they watch! Thanks for the ideaI can do this. I always leave the wheelbarrow in front of the door leading to the paddock so it will be a cinch to let Storm "help" and help he will or I miss my guess. He is very well mannered in his box stall. I can move him anywhere. He readily backs up, and gets over. Other than him being busy busy busy...(terrbile two's I wonder?) he is very very lovable and kindconstantly begging for attention. He did try to nip before he was gelded but except for horse rumps he appears to have given up that habit. I am just going to play it by ear and if I have problems when it comes breaking time I will be sure to take everyones advice. (I am copying and pasting all your much needed advice in my files) Thanks again for all your help, Sue in N.B. (Desert Storm's mom)
Re: Dynamite
This message is from: Mike May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 10:14 AM 1/4/01 -0800, you wrote: This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mike, now I feel terrible about my fish. I had heard they keep the tank clean so bought two. Went fine during the fall even though I thought I smelled fish! I also wondered how I would clean the tank and catch them. The horses just took a good look first time and drank, Then came winter and one morning when the tank was about half full and frozen over the top they froze up also. Or so I thought. They seemed lifeless and had no movement. So I buried them!! Now I wonder? They probably were dead if the tank was frozen over for long anyway. They do need oxygen to live and with only a little bit of water that is frozen over they don't get any. Our pond is well over 3 feet deep so even when frozen they have plenty of room and air left. They do swim around (very slowly) under the ice though. We can see them when the ice is clear and there isn't any snow on it especially when the underwater lights are on after dark. Mike
Re: endurance / German Fjords in Britain
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eike Schoen-Petersen) > From: "Tamara Jane Habberley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: endurance Fjords / fjordhorse-digest V2000 #325 > > This message is from: "Tamara Jane Habberley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Thank you Eike > > apologies for the delays due to christmas festivites ( my aching head!) > > Do you know if any stock by Boelja is in the UK? There is none. But there will be a German stallion (Joram) available for breeding in Scotland this year. See David Steward or Fiona Nicholson of the FHRS for details. > Well done for getting the > Tyro award preumably with the EHPS? Yes! (Endurance Horse and Pony Society) It was a ride in the Humberside region in quite flat terrain but with a lot of deep mud. > Its heartening to know it wasnt just my imagination saying that Fjords had > an endurance history! over here all the books all publicity blurb leads one > to belive that only Arabs can go a distance. My Welsh cob has done well and > is not disimialir in build to a fjord horse. > > Now all I have to do is some frantic saving - not easy when you allr eady > onw one horse! > If the foals by Joram are born in 2002 you better have you money ready! Eike Schoen-Petersen Haffwiesenhof 17375 Leopoldshagen Germany Tel.:+49-39774-20222
Herd Sale - Idaho
This message is from: "Betsy Bauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello List & Friends, In an effort to help some breeders in Idaho who have been met with some unfortunate health problems, I am assisting them in selling their fjords. They have a variety of mares ages 9 - 2; geldings 3 & 2; a quality stallion and 2 colts with wonderful bloodlines. Please contact me for details... I hope all of you had a terrific Holiday and I wish you the Best for 2001 Betsy Bauer Fjord Marketing www.fjordpony.com 559-645-4111
Re: Dynamite
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mike, now I feel terrible about my fish. I had heard they keep the tank clean so bought two. Went fine during the fall even though I thought I smelled fish! I also wondered how I would clean the tank and catch them. The horses just took a good look first time and drank, Then came winter and one morning when the tank was about half full and frozen over the top they froze up also. Or so I thought. They seemed lifeless and had no movement. So I buried them!! Now I wonder? Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
Draft/warmblood/FJORD size tack!
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Look what I found! A source for saddles and tack to fit FJords and other wide backed horses! http://www.stevenshobbyfarm.com/ http://www.stevenshobbyfarm.com/cart/draftequipment.html Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, +10 and light snow, still in the dark until 10:30AM Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Flattened Arena!
This message is from: "Cheryl Beillard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Wow Betsy! How miraculous that none of the horses were hurt and remained in their stalls. Certainly gives one pause, doesn't it ... We have a lot of snow here this year too, and watch it if it gets too deep on the roof of our log house, but otherwise, the pitch on the barn is too steep for much accumulation. Guess I can tell myself how lucky I am NOT to have an arena?? The sun is shining today and there is another 6" accumulated on our road and I'd love to get that sleigh going again, but have work to do unfortunately. It's so difficult to look out the window and see the possibilities but know you just can't go! I did walk my coming 3 filly, Tunica, for a mile today along the forested road and she loved it .. kicking up fluffy snow and tossing her head and looking at everything with great interest. She has had a month of training last fall and it's clear she hasn't forgot a thing .. backs beautifully, is very attentive to voice commands .. I can hardly wait to get her going in the cart this spring. ps Is anyone using Mustad No-Snow pads on their horses? in Canada? and where did you get them if you are?? my farrier doesn't seem to know about them and I'm reluctant to approach my last one as we parted on rather strained terms (I wasn't happy with his manner with my horses ..too rough). The current one is a different temperament but an apprentice of the first, so he doesn't want to ask where the came from either!
Dynamite and water tanks
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On the Dynamite I only used the supplement not a complete feed. My father was a race horse trainer and he always told me to try and keep the horse's diet as natural as possible, grass hay, straight oats if you give any, and a supplement for vitamins and trace elements. He said as he was raising horses and they had so MANY both race horses and working stock (mostly morgans) they very very rarely had a case of colic. Yes I have 10 seperate water tanks and scrub them out every other day to battle the algae. It is not practical to put a goldfish in those tubs because the horses will drink the water down to a few inches. Bye bye fishie. Plus, the one time I did put a fish in there, a heron came over and took it out. Thanks Misha, he gulped. I think I have a fairly unique situation. The holding paddocks are each several acres. The pastures are 6-10 acres each. I try and give the horses a LOT of space to move. (And boy do they run and play!!!) Plus I have them separated out by age and or sex. So that means a lot of water tanks. Obviously, it's not a situation that I can run heaters to. But the horses don't seem to mind the cold water, always drink A LOT. In fact, I like the cold water in the winter too. When you are working outside it is much nicer to have a glass of cool water than warm. But then again, think of it, I fill the tanks each once a day, that is water that is at least 40 degrees (underground spring) so it is not bad. (Yes they have water available at all times). I really do think the ideal situation for the horse is to have them pastured in some 400 acres and they get a little supplement to keep the health up, and wormed regularly of course. But most of us do not have that kind of option. Best of luck Misha
Re: TDI Senior Feed
This message is from: Don & Jane Brackett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For those of you in the Northeast, I couldn't find TDI 10 but we do have TizWiz Broodmare, distributed by Blue Seal. The list of ingredients is very close to TDI 10, but has only 8% protein instead of the 10%. I've been feeding it this winter and the horses seem to love it. No weight gain. Jane more snow forcast for this weekend in Maine!
Re: Dynamite
This message is from: Mike May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 03:02 PM 1/3/01 -0800, you wrote: This message is from: "Reena" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Down here in CA we keep goldfish in our tanks...helps fight the algae problem.of course our winters aren't as harsh as yours, but maybe for summers? The only thing is if one uses a tube/paste wormer and then lets the horses drink from the tank, it does kill the fish. Goldfish are cold water fish that is why they can survive even when it does get cold. We've had our winter mornings down into the 20's We have a small garden pond in our back yard with goldfish & Koi in it. They stay in it all year round. I do put a stock tank heater in it to keep a hole through the ice to let the gases out though. They do just fine in it all winter long. The pond is frozen over now except for a small hole around the low wattage heater.
