Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxus Pebble
Terrence writes; the secret is the reply e-mail and Patricia wrote: And only then will the little fluxter (fluxter??? I would think fluxer) achieve enlightenment? Or is the fable of the pebble feeble and peppered with handy parables? What is the sound of one pebble passing from the palm? I believe you have violated the second rule, below, even, and I have possibly violated the third rule, of the reply function. *gasp* Princess Petal
Re: FLUXLIST: Anti Redundancy Team ART System
Hi Scott, the Anti Redundancy Targeting System will be a fun, exciting (and foolproof) way to make certain that your art ideas are absolutely 100% Original©®. have you ever wondered how to either stop or start making residual and derivative art? Your idea reminds me of a pataphysics club that existed in England in the fifties (I've only heard bits and pieces about this by word of mouth from someone who was good friends with a member but...) who existed soley to administrate themselves. Members wore a little badge to identify themselves. an application form and member I.D. will be available and sent out to those who desire to join the Anti Redundancy Team©. Will you be producing small badges for members of A.R.T.S? just have nothing better to do than participate in highly specialized futile research, This line I likework out a way for this to work on the web, be ultimately pointless and include a nice little badge and you can count me in :-) cheers, Sol.
Re: FLUXLIST: Daniel Spoerri Catalogue
Hi all, in particular Emily if you're reading, The exhibition is accompanied by an illustrated catalog on Le Cabinet Anatomique published by the Emily Harvey Gallery with a text by the art critic Otto Hahn, translated and introduced by Henry Martin. Will I be able to get hold of one of these catalogues? If so how? Could I please have some ordering details if there are any? Many, many thanks. cheers, Sol.
Re: FLUXLIST: arts journal
AK: finds was great. The range of color, that it was apparently used as body paint, the fact that painting predates the physical evolution of the Thanks ! H.
FLUXLIST: 50 Short Scripts
One could, of course, do these at any similar conglomerative store, or take them to any other venue where the action would work. I especially like #29, and it seems to me one of the most versatile Enjoy the days! Melissa 50 Fun Things To Do At Wal-Mart 1. Take shopping carts for the express purpose of filling them and stranding them at strategic locations. 2. Ride those little electronic cars at the front of the store. 3. Set all the alarm clocks to go off at ten-minute intervals throughout the day. 4. Start playing Calvinball; see how many people you can get to join. 5. Contaminate the entire auto department by sampling all the spray air fresheners. 6. Challenge other customers to duels with tubes of gift-wrap. 7. Leave cryptic messages on the typewriters. 8. Re-dress the mannequins as you see fit. 9. When there are people behind you, walk really slowly, especially in thin aisles. 10. Walk up to an employee and tell him in an official tone, "I think we've got a code 3 in housewares," and see what happens. 11. Turn all the radios to polka stations; then turn them off and turn the volume up to full blast. 12. Play with the automatic doors. 13. Walk up to complete strangers and say, "Hi. I haven't seen you in so long." etc. See if they play along. 14. While walking through the clothing department, ask yourself loud enough for all to hear, "Who buys this crap anyway?!" 15. Repeat #14 in the jewelry department. 16. Ride a display bicycle through the store; claim you are taking it for a test drive. 17. Follow people through the aisles, staying about 5 feet behind them. Do this until they leave the store. 18. Play soccer with a group of friends, using the entire store as your playing field. 19. As the cashier runs your purchase over the scanner, look mesmerized and say, "Wow, magic!" 20. Take off your shoes and tell them you want to return it and when they say you didn't buy it there say "HI thought the customer was always right!" 21. Move "Caution : Wet Floor" signs to carpeted areas. 22. Set up a tent in the camping department; tell others you will only invite them in if they bring pillows from Bed and Bath. 23. Test the fishing rods and see what you can catch from other aisles. 24. Ask other customers if they have any Grey Poupon. 25. Drape a blanket around your shoulders and run around saying, "I'm Batman. Come Robin, to the Batcave." 26. TP as much of the store as possible. 27. Randomly throw things over into neighboring aisles. 28. Play with the calculators so that they all spell "hello" upside down. 29. When someone asks you if you need help, begin to cry and say, "Why won't you people just leave me alone?" 30. When 2 or 3 people are walking ahead of you, run between them yelling "Red Rover." 31. Make up nonsense products and ask employees if there are any in stock. (i.e.: Shnerples) 32. Take up an entire aisle in toys by setting up a full-scale battle with G.I. Joe vs. X-men. 33. Take bets on the battle from above. 34. Test the brushes and combs in cosmetics. 35. While handling guns in the hunting department, suddenly ask the clerk where the anti-depressants are. Act as spastic as possible. 36. Hold indoor shopping cart races. 37. Dart around suspiciously while humming the theme from Mission Impossible. 38. Attempt to fit into very large gym bags. 39. Attempt to fit others into very large gym bags. 40. Say things like, "Would you be so kind as to direct me to your Twinkies." 41. Set up a "Valet Parking" sign in front of the store. 42. Two words: Marco Polo. 43. Leave Cheerios in lawn and garden, pillows in the pet section, etc. 44. "Re-alphabetize" the CD's. 45. In the auto department, practice your Madonna look with various funnels. 46. When someone steps away from his or her cart to look at something, quickly make off with it without saying a word. 47. Relax in the patio
Re: FLUXLIST: Daniel Spoerri: May 11, NYC
Emily Harvey Gallery, 537 Bway, NYC --- Dear Emily. What does the Spoerri catralog cost plus shipping? Please send email answer and forms of payment accepted. -Thanks, Don Boyd
Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxus Pebble
In a message dated 05/08/2000 12:46:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Terrence writes; The Fable of the Fluxus Pebble... "...a my little fluxter, you will know only when you can take the Fluxus Pebble from my hand..." T. The Fable of the Fluxus Princess and the Fluxus Pebble... "ah cain't sleep cause of that damn Fluxus Pebble under my mattress . . ."
Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxus Pebble
In a message dated 05/08/2000 1:06:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: *gasp* Princess Petal Er, I didn't realize you'd referred to yrself as Princess. My Princess Fable had nothing to do with yr Princess, Patricia. Only the Pebble thing reminded me of the princess and the pea story, one of the childhood stories that most captured my imagination as a kid, and everytime my mom served peas, I'd examine them and think of that story. I just couldn't imagine even a princess being so sensitive. Then later, I met some artists . . . (I make ze joke.) The other story that really got me was the twelve princesses whose Daddy locked them up at night, and who managed to escape and go dancing all night long. BP
Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxus Pebble
the Pebble thing reminded me of the princess and the pea story, one of the childhood stories that most captured my imagination as a kid, and everytime my mom served peas, I'd examine them and think of that story. I just couldn't imagine even a princess being so sensitive. Then later, I met some artists . . . (I make ze joke.) Absolutely!!! I lived every fairy tale as a child, come to think of it, still do. Actually, I DO sleep with a pebble*grin* Best, PK
Re: FLUXLIST: websiteunseen
thanks for the feedback. mtaa have been resting after finishing some projects, we'll be back in action soon == twhid http://www.mteww.com -- From: Patricia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FLUXLIST: websiteunseen Date: Fri, May 5, 2000, 10:58 AM The more I look at these titles, the funnier they becomeof course I've just awakened, and am giggling, but still, late at night - even more laughter. Yes, I have commissioned "Ten Digital Readymades." My toes twinkle in anticipation. http://www.mteww.com/websiteunseen/list100.html twinkle, twinkle, PK
Re: FLUXLIST: arts journal
In a message dated 05/08/2000 1:01:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Patricia, I did take a look, and the thing on the 400,000-yr-old pigment finds was great. The range of color, that it was apparently used as body paint, the fact that painting predates the physical evolution of the species--all very interesting! Now I want pictures of the various colors-yellow, light red, dark red, pink, purple, black. Stylin! From the same article . . . "New technology, art and ritual made possible the transformation to anatomically modern humanity. The requirement for these technological and behavioural "tools" seems to have been driven by a cold, dry period some 340,000 years ago that led to expansionof the Kalahari Desert, which in turn broke up the forest land of southern Africa, causing big habitat changes and adaptive challenges for early human populations." Wonder what anatomical changes our new technology is presurring our genes to make . . . and art as a "behavioural tool", now I have to worry about what art's doing to my genes? . . . What a great ideology for a new art movement. Genetically friendly art. I like it. Advertising is not genetically friendly! I'm suing. I went to one of those caves in France, not Lascaux (spelling?) the most famous one, it was off limits, but another one nearby. It's so amazing to wander through this chilled dark cave and see the paintings flickering on the walls. Feels like walking through the species' unconscious. I also liked the aritcle on DuChamp . . . his lack of emotion has always bothered me. He's been the pea under my mattress . . . BP
Re: FLUXLIST: Napster/ArtsJournalArticle/ArtistsRights
I personally think MP3's are the coolest thing going. I have pretty compulsive music interests, so its great to be able to find stuff by most artists for free. I download a lot of stuff that I'd never just go out and buy. To me, its no real difference than dubbing an album on cassette or burning a CD copy of a commercially bought CD. Its just that its a little easier. and the sound quality is better. I check out a lot of music from the library, is that cutting into the artist's rights, since I will listen to a library CD about as much as I do the average MP3 I download? Both involve one copy being bought and then shared among a large pool of people. And I just can't get too excited about defending the profit channels of huge record companies. If CD's weren't so expensive I might feel differently. A quip from Jon Stewart on the Daily Show about Metallica's lawsuit against Napster sums it up for me. "It's the latest move in Metallica's campaign against youth culture and fun." Alex From: Patricia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FLUXLIST: Napster/ArtsJournalArticle/ArtistsRights Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 07:52:50 -0700 Hi all, I'm interested in thoughts out there about Napster. I downloaded it just to check it out yesterday, the download actually asked me if I wanted to upload all of the MP3 files on my hard drive!! While I don't like paying high cd prices, what appears to be a tempting free buffet at Napster, seems to me to be a HUGE ripoff of artists' rights. I would be outraged at others taking my work without my permission and sharing it. Let alone the loss of income. I'm interested in opinions on this. Best, PK Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
FLUXLIST: Fw: I-ZONE
-Original Message- From: . m e . [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 07 May 2000 13:05 Subject: I-ZONE perhaps you can forward this to all of those with work in your i-zone gallery: greyletter press presents: I-ZONE PROJECTS' PORTRAIT SERIES this will be the second collection of I-ZONE photographs this year. much like the previous I-ZONE gallery, the PORTRAIT SERIES aims at finding aesthetics in popular culture. all contributions will be displayed primarily at http://www.freespeech.org/circle/izone however, depending on the project's success, it may eventually be published as a book. guidelines for submission: contributions must be shot using an I-ZONE camera. contributions must be portraits. if you wish your contributions to be considered for the paper publication, please mail all I-ZONE photos to: LOOPBYMATTHEW... 312 sherwood dr north middletown ny 10941 usa if you wish only to be included in the online gallery, email your I-ZONE photos to [EMAIL PROTECTED] submission deadline: TBA thanks sol - didn't realize how many people were shooting i-zones! LOOPBYMATTHEW... -- Rocket Fuel Magazine http://www.rocket-fuel.com greyletter press: ARCHIVES http://www.freespeech.org/circle -- Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: FLUXLIST: Napster/ArtsJournalArticle/ArtistsRights
I would be outraged at others taking my work without my permission and sharing it. Let alone the loss of income. I would think a majority of recording artists do what they do on a full time basis. Take away their income and they'll find another means by which to earn a living. I believe things such as Napster only work to ultimately rob the individuals doing the trading of the very music they enjoy trading. It's a mild form of suicide if you ask me. Myke
Re: FLUXLIST: Napster/ArtsJournalArticle/ArtistsRights
Well to put my two cents in on this issue...there is a good side and a bad side to it. As a creative musician who produces music that major labels do not deem as commercially viable, mp3.com and napster are a great way to get your music out there. My Spiritpark webpage gets 20-30 hits and listens a day and over the last two months that it has been up that means that 1200-1500 people have heard my music...so with the intention of getting my name and music out there, mp3.com is a great thing. Now the bad side is that if you are commercially released and being distributed and people are illegally trading your music, well that is definitely something that I could understand being upset about. thanks Ron
Re: FLUXLIST: Napster/ArtsJournalArticle/ArtistsRights
I personally think MP3's are the coolest thing going. No, I think that belongs to MiniDisc. I wish I knew why so many people tend to think of audio files only in terms of the pre-recorded. MP3s compress more than twice as much as do MiniDiscs and you just can't go about with microphones on your shoes making 75-minute digital stereo recordings of your environment and then edit and rearrange the results anyway you like using MP3s. Ever tried to record a class lecture using MP3s? Music isn't everything. Myke
Re: FLUXLIST: Napster/ArtsJournalArticle/ArtistsRights
of artists' rights. I would be outraged at others taking my work without my permission and sharing it. Let alone the loss of income. This is an old topic, but if you are interested, I prefer gnutella, because it works without central database. And "privat copying" is ok. As it ever was.
Re: FLUXLIST: Napster/ArtsJournalArticle/ArtistsRights
or is it possibly changing the way it all works. As it becomes easier and easier to produce your own website and distribute/sell your music through MP3's yourself, for a lot less money than a record company, maybe you'll find you really don't need a big record deal and a big record company. Maybe it will change what it takes to "make it" as a musician. From: Lord Hasenpfeffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Napster/ArtsJournalArticle/ArtistsRights Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 11:36:59 -0400 (EDT) I would be outraged at others taking my work without my permission and sharing it. Let alone the loss of income. I would think a majority of recording artists do what they do on a full time basis. Take away their income and they'll find another means by which to earn a living. I believe things such as Napster only work to ultimately rob the individuals doing the trading of the very music they enjoy trading. It's a mild form of suicide if you ask me. Myke Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
FLUXLIST: Mesostic for Patricia
she is Pretty and nice, intelligent And informed. i'm Talking about our favoRed fluxlIst member, who loves Cats and all of us at least I hope she does And that's all. Don
Re: FLUXLIST: Napster/ArtsJournalArticle/ArtistsRights
But you can record it with minidisk and convert it to mp3 in a second step. For email etc. True, but there are a gazillion people out there who think they have no use for MiniDiscs because they have MP3 capability. For some crazy reason, people see them as competing mediums when really MP3 can't hold a candle to MiniDisc. Misinformation and misconceptions about MiniDiscs and what they offer vs. MP3, I think, is the greatest threat facing the format. I can very easily imagine a future when MiniDisc is put out to pasture because of MP3's popularity - and what will have been gained vs. lost in such a scenario? The world at large may never know, however, I for one will be robbed of a great workhorse of an art and music editing and storage medium. We suffer with VHS instead of Beta and with PCs instead of Amigas for similar reasons. Myke
Re: FLUXLIST: Napster/ArtsJournalArticle/ArtistsRights
Terrence writes; I think trading is OK. Kids used to trade pogs. It's not much different with pop music that is specifically aimed at exploiting a youth market, especially Metalica; ~pogs dun dun dun dun draang drannng dun dun dun dun dun pogs pogs pogs.~ T. Sol Nte wrote: - all the artists who complain about this kind of thing are loaded anyway.
Re: FLUXLIST: Napster/ArtsJournalArticle/ArtistsRights
Sol wrote in response to Patricia: I think that's the case here. People are too hung up on possibly losing money that they haven't even made yet - all the artists who complain about this kind of thing are loaded anyway.when it comes down to it you can't really own anything. You come into this world with nothing and leave with nothing so why hang on so tight to stuff you'll have to give up in the end. But income is time. If people rip off my work, for which I am ordinarily paid, then I have to put in more hours at other kinds of work, much of which I'm not crazy about, and thus cannot do my work, my artwork that is. Copyright history is quite fascinating, the arguments for and against, it's fairly recent, actually. What I remember from accounts of the fight for copyright laws in France is that rather well-known authors often didn't want copyright because it would reduce their rep--fewer people around the world knowing their names--and a large part of their incomes was derived from the fame machine (talks, lectures, all the furniture of fame) and less from the actual sale of works, whereas lesser-known writers who derived a larger proportion of income from actual sales of works favored copyright. So it's been kind of a little-guy thing. If other means of deriving income from the pursuit of music or artmaking can be found, great. If not, do we have to hack off a few more inches from the limbs of artists, again, so that we can all have our free music? Why are you so attached to the few bucks you might have to spend to buy a CD? O, by the way, CDs are much cheaper in the States. What is it about the distribution mechanism in the UK that doubles the price? I don't know, payment for work done seems like a pretty universal desire. Is it so much to ask? Why are all artists and musicians expected to have either trust funds or day jobs? Do we expect surgeons to sweep floors so they can be privileged to indulge in their surgical avocations when they can scrape together the time to do it? What would the quality of surgery be like if everyone doing it had to do something else for 8 hours a day? Why does this argument still have to be made? It kind of makes me crazy. AK
FLUXLIST: Fluxus Sound Files
Hello, I'm still trying to dig up info on Thomas Schmit. Found a reference that there were 200 Sanitas, published in German. Drat. Anyways, there are 15 sound files from Schmit, Higgins, Jo Jones, Philip Corner and others at: http://strano.net/town/music/fluxus.htm I can't listen to them on this computer, so I can't tell what kind of quality they are. -Josh Ronsen http://www.nd.org/jronsen ps: there is a Mail Art discussion list at http://www.egroups.com/group/mailartlist that I am a part of. Very very low volume. You have to subscribe to egroups (formerly onelist.com), which is painless.
Re: FLUXLIST: Napster/ArtsJournalArticle/ArtistsRights
lectures, all the furniture of fame) and less from the actual sale of works, whereas lesser-known writers who derived a larger proportion of income from actual sales of works favored copyright. So it's been kind of a little-guy Think it was about libraries, what should they pay to the authors association ? Same, somehow, with CD burners. How much ? And empty CDs for the burners. We have it with tapes, photocopy machines etc.mp3 is just a side aspect (today) and the individual author gets just a share, somehow calculated..
Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxus Sound Files
[EMAIL PROTECTED],.Internet writes: Hello, I'm still trying to dig up info on Thomas Schmit. Found a reference that there were 200 Sanitas, published in German. Drat. Josh and others who are interested- I happen to have the catalog (tomas schmit, published by the Kolnischer kunstverein in 1978 in conjunction with an exhibit of his work that was held there in October and November of 1978) and there are 208 pieces in the book - these are, according to the preface in the book by schmit, the totality of his scores from 1962 up through 1978 and so there are now more of his Sanitas that these. Some are in english, but only a few that were originally written in english - the majority are in German. Two other places to find information on Schmit are the Ruhe Fluxus book and in the SEP book The Four Suits (he is one of the four). Owen
Re: FLUXLIST: Napster/ArtsJournalArticle/ArtistsRights
Can we ask bands to return cd money for the portion of the cds that aren't any good? Like when you have to buy a whole cd to get two or three songs you really like? Why do we have to pay for all the songs when we don't want em?
Re: FLUXLIST: Napster/ArtsJournalArticle/ArtistsRights
How about we cut out the bits of paintings we don't like, too, and demand our money back? How come people who complain about spending their hardearned money on art always follow up by criticizing artists for being too desirous of money? Like bitching about spending an extra ten bucks isn't materialistic? Come on. Artists are human beings. They make interesting artifacts, that's what they do. They are not responsible for pleasing you, they are responsible for making interesting artifacts. You are responsible for finding the flipping inner resources to make the most of those artifacts. Of course tomorrow I'll take up the other cause. I'm just tired of hearing people say, "I'm too cheap to give money to those moneygrubbing musicians." AK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can we ask bands to return cd money for the portion of the cds that aren't any good? Like when you have to buy a whole cd to get two or three songs you really like? Why do we have to pay for all the songs when we don't want em?
Re: FLUXLIST: Napster/ArtsJournalArticle/ArtistsRights
Terrence writes; Paintings are different. They are more like a fabulous concert played only once. They are one of a kind. (Mp3's are more like cheap posters but better). Packaged and distributed cd's are the fancy seriographs. But you know the new money making concept for soft media. Design once sell many times. I think the artists need to get more from the music but I think it this is more about money grubbing promoters and distributors then musicians. The artits speaking against mp3 are acting more as spokespeople for the suits who are just paracitical creatures who feel threatened by those they seek to exploit. ~Die suits die dun dun dun dun daannggg!mp3 killed the suits mps killed the suits! yaaa! dun dun dun dun dun drang! Die suits die dun dun dun dun daannggg! dun dun dun dun daannggg! mp3 killed the suits mps killed the suits! yaaa!~ T. ann klefstad wrote: How about we cut out the bits of paintings we don't like, too, and demand our money back? How come people who complain about spending their hardearned money on art always follow up by criticizing artists for being too desirous of money? Like bitching about spending an extra ten bucks isn't materialistic? Come on. Artists are human beings. They make interesting artifacts, that's what they do. They are not responsible for pleasing you, they are responsible for making interesting artifacts. You are responsible for finding the flipping inner resources to make the most of those artifacts. Of course tomorrow I'll take up the other cause. I'm just tired of hearing people say, "I'm too cheap to give money to those moneygrubbing musicians." AK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can we ask bands to return cd money for the portion of the cds that aren't any good? Like when you have to buy a whole cd to get two or three songs you really like? Why do we have to pay for all the songs when we don't want em?
Re: FLUXLIST: Napster/ArtsJournalArticle/ArtistsRights
Terrence writes, Minidisc and has the size and tactilty and physical archiving/ labeling and I prefer. Anything that makes the recording and handling pleasurable is great. syquest 135 is/was better to use and faster but zip became the standard. Even if it gets skipped as a standard Minidisc still is great to use for us affectionado's. I still find the microphone handeling awkward. Maybe there is an ear implant mike in the future. Who knows we might even be downloading sensory info from and to our brains from a finger diode in the future. ( Reminds me of the famous Titan ? painting of God and Adams finger meeting up.) T. Lord Hasenpfeffer wrote: We suffer with VHS instead of Beta and with PCs instead of Amigas for similar reasons. Myke
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High! The International Parallel Union of Telecommunications inform the list about 2 important statements by Eric Andersen declared during his lectures in Budapest (H): 1. All the authentic Fluxus artists consider the Fluxlist to be a truly absurd parody. 2. Eric Andersen sorts his books based on number of pages. Hugh! a1o1a
Re: FLUXLIST: Napster/ArtsJournalArticle/ArtistsRights
I only wish that there was a visual-image equivalent to Napster. (Record
companies don't pay the majority of 'their artists' much at all. The Net
will eventually provide a much better income/audience for artists.)
Check-out the following message; these folks project my 12hr-images in
UK music-clubs!
-- Forwarded message --
Got one today (1st May)
Glad to have you back.
If you check out my website (url at bottom) you will see that my
colleague (Ian - Blahulah) has used some of your jpegs in an animated
gif
Hope you don't mind
I would like to mention you and your project on my web pages, alongside
Ian's Blahulah animation, and put a link or links to your stuff. If you
would like this tell my which url(s) to link to.
I've been collecting your pics since number 01227.
We both love your stuff and use it for slide shows. Everyone that sees
our stuff loves it and we always take the opportunity to tell people
about where we get our material, so your name, the 12hr project and what
you do is mentioned regularly to anyone interested enough to come and
talk to us during our performances.
As well as keeping a copy of all 12hr jpegs in your original order I
also keep a second set that I have categorised.
My collection is currently:
79 recent ones that I haven't sorted yet plus 971 sorted into the
following categories:
20 animals
151 blurs
118 buildings
75 faces
27 fairground centrifuge
17 fireworks
22 food
31 landscapes
33 landscapes industrial
18 mass production (bottles)
95 misc
25 misc domestic icons
41 misc modern icons
31 patterns (including dry earth)
42 people
57 people parts (inc. 20 ears, 6 feet, 19 hands)
42 reflection mixes (mostly trees through a window?)
51 roads
20 statues
25 trains
30 water
We've made some wonderful avi movies with both solely your stuff and
also mixed with other stuff.
I'd be happy to cut a CD-ROM for you and post it to you FOC as a
thankyou for your excellent project.
Your newsgroup is the only one I stay permanently subscribed to.
Keep up the excellent work.
Many thanks
Regards and Respect,
Aero
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On Mon, 8 May 2000, Patricia wrote:
Hi all,
I'm interested in thoughts out there about Napster. I downloaded
it just to check it out yesterday, the download actually asked me
if I wanted to upload all of the MP3 files on my hard drive!!
While I don't like paying high cd prices, what appears to be a
tempting free buffet at Napster, seems to me to be a HUGE ripoff
of artists' rights. I would be outraged at others taking my work
without my permission and sharing it. Let alone the loss of
income.
I'm interested in opinions on this.
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Re: FLUXLIST: Napster/ArtsJournalArticle/ArtistsRights
In a message dated 05/08/2000 6:20:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How about we cut out the bits of paintings we don't like, too, and demand our money back? How come people who complain about spending their hardearned money on art always follow up by criticizing artists for being too desirous of money? Like bitching about spending an extra ten bucks isn't materialistic? The difference for me there, is that I get to see the entire painting before I buy it. With cd's most of the time only a couple of the cuts get played on the air, and without listening rooms, you can't tell what you're buying. And yes, I'm materialistic in the sense that I only have so many ten bucks, and not a lot of extra ones, so I have to be careful where I spend it. Yes, if I worked more, I'd have more money, but I don't want to work fulltime. I don't think it's horrible to want to know what you're buying. It'd be nice to be able to just buy the cuts I want from a cd, and that's what MP3s could be good for, in my opinion. Come on. Artists are human beings. They make interesting artifacts, that's what they do. They are not responsible for pleasing you, they are responsible for making interesting artifacts. You are responsible for finding the flipping inner resources to make the most of those artifacts. Of course tomorrow I'll take up the other cause. I'm just tired of hearing people say, "I'm too cheap to give money to those moneygrubbing musicians." Some artists make interesting artifacts. Some artists make uninteresting artifacts. I never said they're responsible for pleasing me. In fact, it would probably be a duller world if every artist had to enter a "Being John Malkovitch" kind of portal and run through my brain before creating something. Scary thought, even for me. But I'm certainly not responsible for buying their artifacts if I don't like em, anymore than they're responsible for pleasing me. And if I shell out $15 for a cd, I'd like the whole cd to be good, not just one or two cuts. That's all I'm saying. I never said I didn't believe in paying for people's work. As for Metallica, I could care less if they make anymore money or not. Can't help it. I just don't care. The entire big record industry is such a rip off and keeps so many good musicians out of the loop, that I find it difficult to care that mulit-millionaire bands don't get another 10 million. I'm more interested in small-time musicians being able to be heard and distribute their wares on the web. Or what if you buy a cd, based on advertising and cover art, thinking it's going to "fit" and you get it home, and it doesn't fit your head? Be nice if you could return it, the way you can return clothes that don't fit. BP
FLUXLIST: June 11 Vigil in Support of Peltier's Parole (fwd)
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 17:13:29 -0500 From: LPDC [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: June 11 Vigil in Support of Peltier's Parole Dear Friends, Below is an announcement for the June 11 vigil the LPDC is organizing in support of Leonard Peltier's June 12 parole hearing. A printable flyer will be posted on www.freepeltier.org in the near future. All are welcome to attend or organize a vigil in your community. If you are having an event, please let us know the details. Also, plan to flood Janet Reno with phone calls on the Friday before the hearing (June 9th) in support of Leonard Peltier's parole release. Thank you. In Solidarity, The LPDC IT'S THE YEAR 2000 WHY IS LEONARD PELTIER STILL IN PRISON? Leonard Peltier Will Be Reviewed for parole on June 12, 2000 Show your support for his release, come to a candlelight vigil on June 11 at South Park, 7:00pm. (Massachusetts St., Downtown Lawrence, Kansas) Speakers and Drumming: Jean Day, LPDC Spokesperson and Pine Ridge Reign Of Terror Survivor; Jennifer Harbury, LPDC Attorney, Author, and Renowned Human Rights Advocate; Ernie Stevens Jr., National Congress of American Indians, and more! Call the White House Comments Line Today Demand Justice for Leonard Peltier! 202-456- Leonard Peltier Defense Committee PO Box 583 Lawrence, KS 66044 785-842-5774 www.freepeltier.org To subscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your email address, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with your old address in the Subject line - To subscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your email address, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with your old address in the Subject: line
FLUXLIST: MTAA interview etoy.CORPORATION
this interview is to be published on http://www.artbreak.net, check ARTBREAK for another exciting MTAA article on etoy's stay in manhattan, with an interview with agent.NASDAQ, the glorious toy.WARRIOR. --twhid +++ MTAA (M.River T.Whid Art Assoc.) interview etoy.CORPORATION. A warm May afternoon in New York City finds representatives of two virtual art organizations meeting in the etoy.TANK. MTAA: What are the precedents for etoy art practice? etoy: etoy doesn't espouse any theory, we leave this up to other people. Of course we are happy if precedents from art history can explain the things that we do. But we are don't connect directly to other artists. We're influenced, Warhol and Beuys are very important to us. But it's not our discourse. We refuse the intellectualization of our discourse, it has to stay strong and clean. Other people make these connections, but etoy.CORPORATION would never talk about this directly. But the references are there. MTAA: Regarding the TOYWAR, both the online artwork and the performance action, it wouldn't have happened if it hadn't been for eToy's aggression. What are your feelings toward eToy.com? etoy: I would say that we love to do business with them. This is the reason that we are doing this exhibition. MTAA: When the etoy.CORPORATION was founded, was that a performative action as well as a real world action? etoy: Of course, we had a lawyer on our team as an artist. We chose a dot.com name, we spent money and time designing the www.etoy.com name, these are all pieces that came together to make sense in the present. At the time that we were putting these pieces together people didn't understand how this corporate identity could make sense in the art world. Now it is clear. And that's why we came to New York, the dot.com mania is here, the bubble is here. MTAA: The real world action is simultaneously the performative action, the actions exist in two separate contexts at once. That is what we see as one of the interesting aspects of etoy. etoy: Yes, we are very much interested in this sort of thing. I believe that that is why we won our case with eToys. We behaved like a corporation. We are a corporation. We were more professional in our use of the media and in designing our media statements. But at the same time we were free to escape that very logic -- the business logic, because we operate at this surreal level, so they could never... I don't think they had the most intelligent people working on the case anyway. They could never guess our next steps. I think they were confused the whole time. It didn't make sense to them. They didn't have an enemy they could catch. We were too similar to them. MTAA: eToys offered you over half a million dollars for the domain name, yet you have shares for sale, could eToys have bought a controlling interest in etoy? etoy: They were not willing to buy shares. We were not fighting against eToys because they are a corporation like (r)tmark (the anti-corporate activists), we are not online activists. We were open to doing business with them. But only if it would fit into our art piece. We offered them a merger. We said they could buy us out, then we could design the whole merger together, a media design, an art product. We were very serious about this. It would go to the next level and shock a lot of people. In my opinion it would have been the best way to get out of the problem. eToys would have been seen as the corporation that understands their market, understands the internet, instead of being seen as stupid. They were scared, they had no chance. We are designed so that half of the people hate us, and half of the people love us. You either get it and are willing to invest in us, which is risky. Or you hate us. During TOYWAR, we were seen as the good guys. That's our biggest fear. + MTAA are a New York based conceptual art group with a strong internet presence. They are known world wide for their conceptual net art products. Visit them online at http://www.mteww.com. = = = t.whid http://www.mteww.com
FLUXLIST: The Brad Brace 24hr Dance Beat
The Brad Brace 24hr Dance Beat 12hr-images in UK music-clubs! All you animals hop to the beat all you animals look at the floor all those blurs are movin' feet movin' to the sound bad bad sound movin' them up and movin' them down buildings rockin' in your town I can hear the dogs howilin in the pound faces in your head faces in your head.. smilin' faces grovin' to the sound fairground centrifuge goes round and round fireworks sis bam boom sis man bown round and round round and round everyone dancin' to the beat the Brad Brace Beatjpeg is food for the freaks all the freaks hop to the beat the Brad Brace Beat the Brad Brace Beat landscapes landscapes Chez Monet industrial landscapes Van Van Gogh mass production (25 bot--tles in a row) feet to the toe feet to the toe toe toe toe tic tac toe tic tac toe dancin' to the beat the Brad Brace Beat Domestic icons blender girls like to spin dancin' to this beat is a sinmodern icons cars for the boys cars for the boys like to go.. good for the go..good for the go phyco patterns spin your head crazy photo's spin your head 42 people out on the floor.. dance to the beat... the Brad Brace Beat. 57 varieties people parts.. ears feet clapin hands in the morgue listen and twitch listen and twitch every thing is lookin for their feet so they can also dance to the beat... the Brad Brace Beat. so all you people get off your chair get up right now get up log in to the sqid and see those images go round and round reflection mixes party fixins roads lead away lead the way ge to the Brad Brace site today 20 statues listen in the Park trains a' grovin' bodies in the dark water boys keep us cool as we all move and click to the beat the Brad Brace Beat the Brad Brace Beat by Art Natural inspired by the The 12hr-ISBN-JPEG Project
