Re: [Gendergap] Iraqi human rights lawyer Samira Salih al-Nuaimi tortured and executed because Facebook; where is her Wikipedia article?

2015-01-22 Thread Neotarf 
Nice catch, CM, but I still don't see her coming up in google.  Whenever I
have written an article, it has always come up in a google search by the
next day, and has gotten on the first page of the search within 2 or 3
days, no matter how remote the location I wrote it from.

I truly believe that public information about these situations can save
lives.  Look at the international attention that Hamza Kashgari got after
he was arrested for Twitter; he's out of jail now.  Manal al-Sharif is out
of jail too, (for driving while female) after a Women2Drive Facebook
campaign.  But Loujain al-Hathloul and Maysa al-Amoudi have now been in
jail for over 40 days (driving). And now Raif Badawi.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/15/raif-badawi-saudi-blogger-flogging_n_6478520.html
I see his lawyer, Waleed Abul-Khair, has now been disappeared as well.
Waleed also has his own Wikipedia article.  I've probably written about an
equal number of articles for men as women human rights activists, but it
seems the articles about women are challenged more often, and have fewer
people looking for additional information, and in other languages, to show
they are notable, etc.

World opinion does matter, but if someone doesn't even come up on a google
search, what's the point of an article.

On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 5:37 PM, Carol Moore dc 
wrote:

>  On 12/23/2014 6:52 AM, WereSpielChequers wrote:
>
> That was a "death of" article. I suspect there are articles that cover
> ISIS killing people, if they had only killed one person it might well be
> titled "death of". Since they seem keen to torture enslave or murder anyone
> who doesn't share their brand of Sunni Islam it would stretch our
> notability criteria to create separate articles for each of their victims.
> Similarly our 4.6 million articles only include individual articles for a
> small minority of the 13 million killed in the Nazi's murder programs.
>
> Regards
>
>  Jonathan Cardy
>
>
>  I don't see an AfD notice, or notice it survived AfD.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samira_Saleh_Ali_al-Naimi
>
> FYI relevant categories:
>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&limit=500&offset=0&profile=default&search=category%3Apeople+killed+by+
> List of categories with "people killed by" articles
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:People_killed_by_Nazi_Germany
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_victims_of_Nazism
>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant_activities
> includes various relevant categories
> CM
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Re: [Gendergap] Iraqi human rights lawyer Samira Salih al-Nuaimi tortured and executed because Facebook; where is her Wikipedia article?

2015-01-17 Thread Carol Moore dc 

On 12/23/2014 6:52 AM, WereSpielChequers wrote:
That was a "death of" article. I suspect there are articles that cover 
ISIS killing people, if they had only killed one person it might well 
be titled "death of". Since they seem keen to torture enslave or 
murder anyone who doesn't share their brand of Sunni Islam it would 
stretch our notability criteria to create separate articles for each 
of their victims. Similarly our 4.6 million articles only include 
individual articles for a small minority of the 13 million killed in 
the Nazi's murder programs.


Regards

Jonathan Cardy



I don't see an AfD notice, or notice it survived AfD.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samira_Saleh_Ali_al-Naimi

FYI relevant categories:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&limit=500&offset=0&profile=default&search=category%3Apeople+killed+by+
List of categories with "people killed by" articles

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:People_killed_by_Nazi_Germany
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_victims_of_Nazism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant_activities 
includes various relevant categories

CM
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Re: [Gendergap] Iraqi human rights lawyer Samira Salih al-Nuaimi tortured and executed because Facebook; where is her Wikipedia article?

2015-01-17 Thread WereSpielChequers 
That was a "death of" article. I suspect there are articles that cover ISIS 
killing people, if they had only killed one person it might well be titled 
"death of". Since they seem keen to torture enslave or murder anyone who 
doesn't share their brand of Sunni Islam it would stretch our notability 
criteria to create separate articles for each of their victims. Similarly our 
4.6 million articles only include individual articles for a small minority of 
the 13 million killed in the Nazi's murder programs.

Regards

Jonathan Cardy


> On 23 Dec 2014, at 05:45, Neotarf  wrote:
> 
> Is Samira Salih al-Nuaimi notable?
> 
> Just looking for an example of an article about someone notable for only one 
> event, here is an article on the Death of Ian Tomlinson, a newspaper vendor 
> who died during a London protest. Tomlinson's piece has been a featured 
> article, and as far as I know, no one has ever challenged his notability.
> 
> Tomlinson article:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Ian_Tomlinson
> BLP policy--people notable for only one event:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_%28people%29#People_notable_for_only_one_event
> 
> Al-Nuaimi seems to be much more notable than that.  The UN and the US 
> government have both issued official statements about al-Nuaimi's death. The 
> UN statement calls her a "well-known human rights lawyer and activist".  
> http://reliefweb.int/report/iraq/un-envoy-condemns-public-execution-human-rights-lawyer-ms-sameera-al-nuaimy-enar
> 
> This NZ piece has more detail about the statements issued by UN officials, 
> apparently al-Nuaimi was running for office on the provincial council as 
> well. There is more detail about two other female politicians killed or 
> kidnapped, as well as five female political activists killed in Mosul, but no 
> other names.   
> http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-east/61509820/un-activist-publicly-executed-by-islamic-state.html
> 
> And if you can get into some of the Arabic language sources, there is more 
> nuance: you can see there were statements issued by two different UN 
> officials, a statement issued by Prince Zeid Ra'ad Al Husssein, the High 
> Commissioner for Human rights, in a statement issued by the UNHCR in Geneva 
> and New York, and a statement by the Special Representative of the 
> Secretary-General of the United Nations in Iraq, Nikolay Mladenov.
> http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ar&u=http://www.elaph.com/Web/News/2014/9/943993.html&prev=search
> 
> A google search for her name in Arabic turns up 138,000 results. Although 
> Google results numbers are highly inaccurate, you can see at a glance from 
> the URL's, this is not just a local personality, it has been widely reported 
> across the Arabic-speaking world.
> https://www.google.com/search?q=%D8%B3%D9%85%D9%8A%D8%B1%D8%A9+%D8%B5%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AD+%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%86%D8%B9%D9%8A%D9%85%D9%8A&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
> 
> If you wanted to skirt the notability issue, you could always just do a quick 
> translation of the Italian piece, basically there is just a template so you 
> can credit the original sources. More information can be added to a 
> translated piece later.  
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Translation#How_to_translate
> 
> But I don't see how she is not notable.  I daresay if someone created an 
> article and it contained both a source, an internal link to another Wikipedia 
> article, and a category, no one would challenge it.  This is exactly the kind 
> of information from the "global south" that the Foundation's official reports 
> keep saying is lacking from Wikipedia, that they want to do something about.
> 
> Regards,
> Neotarf
> 
>> On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 3:55 PM, Risker  wrote:
>> 
>>> On 22 December 2014 at 15:34, Leigh Honeywell  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Risker  wrote:
 It does not fall afoul of the meatpuppetry policy if the creator writes 
 the article independently and using their own wording to create an 
 appropriate article based on their own understanding and referencing to 
 reliable sources.  For example, this one could fall into several topics: 
 Women and ISIS, biography of individual (although you'd have to show she 
 was notable for a reason other than her execution), ISIS executions, etc. 
 etc. 
>>> 
>>> Perhaps a stupid question but why is the coverage of her execution not 
>>> enough for notability? 
>>  
>> ISIS is executing people by the tens of thousands (many for reasons that 
>> seem astonishingly petty to outsiders), so being executed by ISIS does not 
>> confer notability in and of itself.   
>>  
>> What would confer notability would be reporting about her *before* her 
>> death, such as multiple significant references where she is a primary focus 
>> of a report about (for example) women human rights activists in her native 
>> country, or conferring of significant recognition such as a government or 
>> significant NGO huma

Re: [Gendergap] Iraqi human rights lawyer Samira Salih al-Nuaimi tortured and executed because Facebook; where is her Wikipedia article?

2014-12-24 Thread Carol Moore dc 
I confess, I got took link-wise.  I've been trying to ignore the nasty 
people on Wikipediocracy and was

not sufficiently diligent when one seemed nice.

Nevertheless, I think it would be problematic if GGTF banned editors in 
a questionable arbitration
were not permitted to make reasonable suggestions here, as was the 
implication regarding Neotarf.


I personally don't intend to make a lot, but it's the principle that 
matters...


On 12/24/2014 11:36 AM, Sarah Stierch wrote:


Please avoid using Examiner articles. Unreliable sources...it's user 
created content like Wikipedia.


And what Nathan said. Please tread lightly. (From personal experience!!)

Sarah

On Dec 24, 2014 8:22 AM, "Nathan" > wrote:




On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 10:42 AM, Carol Moore dc
mailto:carolmoor...@verizon.net>> wrote:


http://www.examiner.com/article/wikipedia-biographies-favor-men


http://www.examiner.com/article/jimmy-wales-shows-favoritism-on-wikipedia
hmmm, interesting but dated...

http://www.examiner.com/article/number-of-women-going-down-on-wikipedia

Merry Solstice!
See my video - http://merrysolstice.com



Carol, are you familiar with that author and his history with the
projects? He's not exactly an objective journalist (or a
journalist of any kind, actually).



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Re: [Gendergap] Iraqi human rights lawyer Samira Salih al-Nuaimi tortured and executed because Facebook; where is her Wikipedia article?

2014-12-24 Thread Sarah Stierch 
Please avoid using Examiner articles. Unreliable sources...it's user
created content like Wikipedia.

And what Nathan said. Please tread lightly. (From personal experience!!)

Sarah
On Dec 24, 2014 8:22 AM, "Nathan"  wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 10:42 AM, Carol Moore dc  > wrote:
>>
>>
>> http://www.examiner.com/article/wikipedia-biographies-favor-men
>>
>> http://www.examiner.com/article/jimmy-wales-shows-favoritism-on-wikipedia
>> hmmm, interesting but dated...
>>
>> http://www.examiner.com/article/number-of-women-going-down-on-wikipedia
>>
>> Merry Solstice!
>> See my video - http://merrysolstice.com
>>
>>
>>
> Carol, are you familiar with that author and his history with the
> projects? He's not exactly an objective journalist (or a journalist of any
> kind, actually).
>
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Re: [Gendergap] Iraqi human rights lawyer Samira Salih al-Nuaimi tortured and executed because Facebook; where is her Wikipedia article?

2014-12-24 Thread Risker 
On 24 December 2014 at 11:22, Nathan  wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 10:42 AM, Carol Moore dc  > wrote:
>>
>>
>> http://www.examiner.com/article/wikipedia-biographies-favor-men
>>
>> http://www.examiner.com/article/jimmy-wales-shows-favoritism-on-wikipedia
>> hmmm, interesting but dated...
>>
>> http://www.examiner.com/article/number-of-women-going-down-on-wikipedia
>>
>> Merry Solstice!
>> See my video - http://merrysolstice.com
>>
>>
>>
> Carol, are you familiar with that author and his history with the
> projects? He's not exactly an objective journalist (or a journalist of any
> kind, actually).
>
>
Oh, the irony.  Carol, please don't ask people to put links to opinion
pieces written by banned editors into the Gendergap project.  We all get
that you're really very angry right now, but this is not constructive.

Risker
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Re: [Gendergap] Iraqi human rights lawyer Samira Salih al-Nuaimi tortured and executed because Facebook; where is her Wikipedia article?

2014-12-24 Thread Nathan 
On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 10:42 AM, Carol Moore dc 
wrote:
>
>
> http://www.examiner.com/article/wikipedia-biographies-favor-men
>
> http://www.examiner.com/article/jimmy-wales-shows-favoritism-on-wikipedia
> hmmm, interesting but dated...
>
> http://www.examiner.com/article/number-of-women-going-down-on-wikipedia
>
> Merry Solstice!
> See my video - http://merrysolstice.com
>
>
>
Carol, are you familiar with that author and his history with the projects?
He's not exactly an objective journalist (or a journalist of any kind,
actually).
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Re: [Gendergap] Iraqi human rights lawyer Samira Salih al-Nuaimi tortured and executed because Facebook; where is her Wikipedia article?

2014-12-24 Thread Carol Moore dc 

On 12/23/2014 8:40 AM, Nathan wrote:



On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 1:44 AM, Leigh Honeywell > wrote:


With my mod hat on, Neotarf, please cease the "you could"'s here.
Further hypotheticals will get you modded.

Thanks,

-Leigh


What about Neotarf's post, which you quoted, would merit moderation 
and under what principle? It seemed perfectly civil and constructive 
to me, even if Neotarf does miss the point a bit as Risker noted.


While obviously persistent repeated comments urging certain edits from 
banned editors like Neotarf and I would be problematic. However, I do 
hope that relevant one time suggestions would not be.


In fact I just this hour had an exchange with an editor about adding 
some new links to one of the four resources pages.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Countering_systemic_bias/Gender_gap_task_force#Resources

I said I could list them here, in case someone wanted to post them.

If someone wants to privately email me and take on the job of adding new 
ones I suggest if no one else has done so in a timely manner - and they 
think it's appropriate, email me privately. :-)  I have several more 
that I don't think have been listed but will have to wait a week to look at.


As long as we're discussing today's new links, here they are. And it 
looks like they'd be most appropriate for the "Related links" page, 
assuming they aren't too duplicative, outdated,  or whatever and someone 
chose not to list them:


http://www.examiner.com/article/wikipedia-biographies-favor-men

http://www.examiner.com/article/jimmy-wales-shows-favoritism-on-wikipedia hmmm, 
interesting but dated...


http://www.examiner.com/article/number-of-women-going-down-on-wikipedia

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Re: [Gendergap] Iraqi human rights lawyer Samira Salih al-Nuaimi tortured and executed because Facebook; where is her Wikipedia article?

2014-12-23 Thread disgruntled grognard 
it's the kind of other stuff exist argument that goes on all the time
during deletion discussion, (that may not be appropriate here)

a better example might be
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Weinstein

"If the event is significant and the individual's role within it is
substantial and well-documented—as in the case of John Hinckley, Jr., who
shot President Ronald Reagan in 1981—a separate biography may be
appropriate. The significance of an event or individual is indicated by how
persistent the coverage is in reliable sources."


On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Nathan  wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 1:44 AM, Leigh Honeywell  wrote:
>
>> With my mod hat on, Neotarf, please cease the "you could"'s here. Further
>> hypotheticals will get you modded.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> -Leigh
>>
>
> What about Neotarf's post, which you quoted, would merit moderation and
> under what principle? It seemed perfectly civil and constructive to me,
> even if Neotarf does miss the point a bit as Risker noted.
>
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Re: [Gendergap] Iraqi human rights lawyer Samira Salih al-Nuaimi tortured and executed because Facebook; where is her Wikipedia article?

2014-12-23 Thread Nathan 
On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 1:44 AM, Leigh Honeywell  wrote:

> With my mod hat on, Neotarf, please cease the "you could"'s here. Further
> hypotheticals will get you modded.
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Leigh
>

What about Neotarf's post, which you quoted, would merit moderation and
under what principle? It seemed perfectly civil and constructive to me,
even if Neotarf does miss the point a bit as Risker noted.
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Re: [Gendergap] Iraqi human rights lawyer Samira Salih al-Nuaimi tortured and executed because Facebook; where is her Wikipedia article?

2014-12-22 Thread Leigh Honeywell 
With my mod hat on, Neotarf, please cease the "you could"'s here. Further
hypotheticals will get you modded.

Thanks,

-Leigh

On Monday, December 22, 2014, Neotarf  wrote:

> Is Samira Salih al-Nuaimi notable?
>
> Just looking for an example of an article about someone notable for only
> one event, here is an article on the Death of Ian Tomlinson, a newspaper
> vendor who died during a London protest. Tomlinson's piece has been a
> featured article, and as far as I know, no one has ever challenged his
> notability.
>
> Tomlinson article:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Ian_Tomlinson
> BLP policy--people notable for only one event:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_%28people%29#People_notable_for_only_one_event
>
> Al-Nuaimi seems to be much more notable than that.  The UN and the US
> government have both issued official statements about al-Nuaimi's death.
> The UN statement calls her a "well-known human rights lawyer and
> activist".
>
> http://reliefweb.int/report/iraq/un-envoy-condemns-public-execution-human-rights-lawyer-ms-sameera-al-nuaimy-enar
>
> This NZ piece has more detail about the statements issued by UN officials,
> apparently al-Nuaimi was running for office on the provincial council as
> well. There is more detail about two other female politicians killed or
> kidnapped, as well as five female political activists killed in Mosul, but
> no other names.
> http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-east/61509820/un-activist-publicly-executed-by-islamic-state.html
>
> And if you can get into some of the Arabic language sources, there is more
> nuance: you can see there were statements issued by two different UN
> officials, a statement issued by Prince Zeid Ra'ad Al Husssein, the High
> Commissioner for Human rights, in a statement issued by the UNHCR in Geneva
> and New York, and a statement by the Special Representative of the
> Secretary-General of the United Nations in Iraq, Nikolay Mladenov.
>
> http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ar&u=http://www.elaph.com/Web/News/2014/9/943993.html&prev=search
>
> A google search for her name in Arabic turns up 138,000 results. Although
> Google results numbers are highly inaccurate, you can see at a glance from
> the URL's, this is not just a local personality, it has been widely
> reported across the Arabic-speaking world.
>
> https://www.google.com/search?q=%D8%B3%D9%85%D9%8A%D8%B1%D8%A9+%D8%B5%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AD+%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%86%D8%B9%D9%8A%D9%85%D9%8A&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
>
> If you wanted to skirt the notability issue, you could always just do a
> quick translation of the Italian piece, basically there is just a template
> so you can credit the original sources. More information can be added to a
> translated piece later.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Translation#How_to_translate
>
> But I don't see how she is not notable.  I daresay if someone created an
> article and it contained both a source, an internal link to another
> Wikipedia article, and a category, no one would challenge it.  This is
> exactly the kind of information from the "global south" that the
> Foundation's official reports keep saying is lacking from Wikipedia, that
> they want to do something about.
>
> Regards,
> Neotarf
>
> On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 3:55 PM, Risker  > wrote:
>
>>
>> On 22 December 2014 at 15:34, Leigh Honeywell > > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Risker >> > wrote:

 It does not fall afoul of the meatpuppetry policy if the creator writes
 the article independently and using their own wording to create an
 appropriate article based on their own understanding and referencing to
 reliable sources.  For example, this one could fall into several topics:
 Women and ISIS, biography of individual (although you'd have to show she
 was notable for a reason other than her execution), ISIS executions, etc.
 etc.

>>>
>>> Perhaps a stupid question but why is the coverage of her execution not
>>> enough for notability?
>>>
>>>
>> ISIS is executing people by the tens of thousands (many for reasons that
>> seem astonishingly petty to outsiders), so being executed by ISIS does not
>> confer notability in and of itself.
>>
>> What would confer notability would be reporting about her *before* her
>> death, such as multiple significant references where she is a primary focus
>> of a report about (for example) women human rights activists in her native
>> country, or conferring of significant recognition such as a government or
>> significant NGO human rights award.  In other words, she needs to be
>> notable *before* her death in order to cross the notability threshold.  The
>> BLP1E threshold still applies.
>>
>> (For those of you unfamiliar with the acronym, that means that a person
>> notable for only one event will not normally have a biographical article,
>> although some of the information (including the name of the individual) may
>> well be notable enough for inclusion in

Re: [Gendergap] Iraqi human rights lawyer Samira Salih al-Nuaimi tortured and executed because Facebook; where is her Wikipedia article?

2014-12-22 Thread Risker 
Ummm. You're missing the point, Neotarf.  The article "about" Tomlinson
isn't his biography.  It's an article about the event that led to his
death.  Tomlinson *isn't* notable, which is why the article isn't entitled
"Ian Tomlinson", it's titled "Death of Ian Tomlinson".

I am suggesting that she herself may not meet the threshold of notability,
just as Tomlinson himself did not meet the threshold.

Risker/Anne

On 23 December 2014 at 00:45, Neotarf  wrote:

> Is Samira Salih al-Nuaimi notable?
>
> Just looking for an example of an article about someone notable for only
> one event, here is an article on the Death of Ian Tomlinson, a newspaper
> vendor who died during a London protest. Tomlinson's piece has been a
> featured article, and as far as I know, no one has ever challenged his
> notability.
>
> Tomlinson article:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Ian_Tomlinson
> BLP policy--people notable for only one event:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_%28people%29#People_notable_for_only_one_event
>
> Al-Nuaimi seems to be much more notable than that.  The UN and the US
> government have both issued official statements about al-Nuaimi's death.
> The UN statement calls her a "well-known human rights lawyer and
> activist".
>
> http://reliefweb.int/report/iraq/un-envoy-condemns-public-execution-human-rights-lawyer-ms-sameera-al-nuaimy-enar
>
> This NZ piece has more detail about the statements issued by UN officials,
> apparently al-Nuaimi was running for office on the provincial council as
> well. There is more detail about two other female politicians killed or
> kidnapped, as well as five female political activists killed in Mosul, but
> no other names.
> http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-east/61509820/un-activist-publicly-executed-by-islamic-state.html
>
> And if you can get into some of the Arabic language sources, there is more
> nuance: you can see there were statements issued by two different UN
> officials, a statement issued by Prince Zeid Ra'ad Al Husssein, the High
> Commissioner for Human rights, in a statement issued by the UNHCR in Geneva
> and New York, and a statement by the Special Representative of the
> Secretary-General of the United Nations in Iraq, Nikolay Mladenov.
>
> http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ar&u=http://www.elaph.com/Web/News/2014/9/943993.html&prev=search
>
> A google search for her name in Arabic turns up 138,000 results. Although
> Google results numbers are highly inaccurate, you can see at a glance from
> the URL's, this is not just a local personality, it has been widely
> reported across the Arabic-speaking world.
>
> https://www.google.com/search?q=%D8%B3%D9%85%D9%8A%D8%B1%D8%A9+%D8%B5%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AD+%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%86%D8%B9%D9%8A%D9%85%D9%8A&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
>
> If you wanted to skirt the notability issue, you could always just do a
> quick translation of the Italian piece, basically there is just a template
> so you can credit the original sources. More information can be added to a
> translated piece later.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Translation#How_to_translate
>
> But I don't see how she is not notable.  I daresay if someone created an
> article and it contained both a source, an internal link to another
> Wikipedia article, and a category, no one would challenge it.  This is
> exactly the kind of information from the "global south" that the
> Foundation's official reports keep saying is lacking from Wikipedia, that
> they want to do something about.
>
> Regards,
> Neotarf
>
> On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 3:55 PM, Risker  wrote:
>
>>
>> On 22 December 2014 at 15:34, Leigh Honeywell  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Risker  wrote:

 It does not fall afoul of the meatpuppetry policy if the creator writes
 the article independently and using their own wording to create an
 appropriate article based on their own understanding and referencing to
 reliable sources.  For example, this one could fall into several topics:
 Women and ISIS, biography of individual (although you'd have to show she
 was notable for a reason other than her execution), ISIS executions, etc.
 etc.

>>>
>>> Perhaps a stupid question but why is the coverage of her execution not
>>> enough for notability?
>>>
>>>
>> ISIS is executing people by the tens of thousands (many for reasons that
>> seem astonishingly petty to outsiders), so being executed by ISIS does not
>> confer notability in and of itself.
>>
>> What would confer notability would be reporting about her *before* her
>> death, such as multiple significant references where she is a primary focus
>> of a report about (for example) women human rights activists in her native
>> country, or conferring of significant recognition such as a government or
>> significant NGO human rights award.  In other words, she needs to be
>> notable *before* her death in order to cross the notability threshold.  The
>> BLP1E threshold still applie

Re: [Gendergap] Iraqi human rights lawyer Samira Salih al-Nuaimi tortured and executed because Facebook; where is her Wikipedia article?

2014-12-22 Thread Neotarf 
Is Samira Salih al-Nuaimi notable?

Just looking for an example of an article about someone notable for only
one event, here is an article on the Death of Ian Tomlinson, a newspaper
vendor who died during a London protest. Tomlinson's piece has been a
featured article, and as far as I know, no one has ever challenged his
notability.

Tomlinson article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Ian_Tomlinson
BLP policy--people notable for only one event:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_%28people%29#People_notable_for_only_one_event

Al-Nuaimi seems to be much more notable than that.  The UN and the US
government have both issued official statements about al-Nuaimi's death.
The UN statement calls her a "well-known human rights lawyer and
activist".
http://reliefweb.int/report/iraq/un-envoy-condemns-public-execution-human-rights-lawyer-ms-sameera-al-nuaimy-enar

This NZ piece has more detail about the statements issued by UN officials,
apparently al-Nuaimi was running for office on the provincial council as
well. There is more detail about two other female politicians killed or
kidnapped, as well as five female political activists killed in Mosul, but
no other names.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-east/61509820/un-activist-publicly-executed-by-islamic-state.html

And if you can get into some of the Arabic language sources, there is more
nuance: you can see there were statements issued by two different UN
officials, a statement issued by Prince Zeid Ra'ad Al Husssein, the High
Commissioner for Human rights, in a statement issued by the UNHCR in Geneva
and New York, and a statement by the Special Representative of the
Secretary-General of the United Nations in Iraq, Nikolay Mladenov.
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ar&u=http://www.elaph.com/Web/News/2014/9/943993.html&prev=search

A google search for her name in Arabic turns up 138,000 results. Although
Google results numbers are highly inaccurate, you can see at a glance from
the URL's, this is not just a local personality, it has been widely
reported across the Arabic-speaking world.
https://www.google.com/search?q=%D8%B3%D9%85%D9%8A%D8%B1%D8%A9+%D8%B5%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AD+%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%86%D8%B9%D9%8A%D9%85%D9%8A&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

If you wanted to skirt the notability issue, you could always just do a
quick translation of the Italian piece, basically there is just a template
so you can credit the original sources. More information can be added to a
translated piece later.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Translation#How_to_translate

But I don't see how she is not notable.  I daresay if someone created an
article and it contained both a source, an internal link to another
Wikipedia article, and a category, no one would challenge it.  This is
exactly the kind of information from the "global south" that the
Foundation's official reports keep saying is lacking from Wikipedia, that
they want to do something about.

Regards,
Neotarf

On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 3:55 PM, Risker  wrote:

>
> On 22 December 2014 at 15:34, Leigh Honeywell  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Risker  wrote:
>>>
>>> It does not fall afoul of the meatpuppetry policy if the creator writes
>>> the article independently and using their own wording to create an
>>> appropriate article based on their own understanding and referencing to
>>> reliable sources.  For example, this one could fall into several topics:
>>> Women and ISIS, biography of individual (although you'd have to show she
>>> was notable for a reason other than her execution), ISIS executions, etc.
>>> etc.
>>>
>>
>> Perhaps a stupid question but why is the coverage of her execution not
>> enough for notability?
>>
>>
> ISIS is executing people by the tens of thousands (many for reasons that
> seem astonishingly petty to outsiders), so being executed by ISIS does not
> confer notability in and of itself.
>
> What would confer notability would be reporting about her *before* her
> death, such as multiple significant references where she is a primary focus
> of a report about (for example) women human rights activists in her native
> country, or conferring of significant recognition such as a government or
> significant NGO human rights award.  In other words, she needs to be
> notable *before* her death in order to cross the notability threshold.  The
> BLP1E threshold still applies.
>
> (For those of you unfamiliar with the acronym, that means that a person
> notable for only one event will not normally have a biographical article,
> although some of the information (including the name of the individual) may
> well be notable enough for inclusion in another article.  Example: Names of
> victims of mass murderers - their names might be included in the article
> about the murderer.  This is also known as the "Badlydrawnjeff" Arbcom
> decision.)
>
> I've deliberately not been following the articles related to this topic in
> general, but I am quite certain, based on the signific

Re: [Gendergap] Iraqi human rights lawyer Samira Salih al-Nuaimi tortured and executed because Facebook; where is her Wikipedia article?

2014-12-22 Thread Risker 
On 22 December 2014 at 15:34, Leigh Honeywell  wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Risker  wrote:
>>
>> It does not fall afoul of the meatpuppetry policy if the creator writes
>> the article independently and using their own wording to create an
>> appropriate article based on their own understanding and referencing to
>> reliable sources.  For example, this one could fall into several topics:
>> Women and ISIS, biography of individual (although you'd have to show she
>> was notable for a reason other than her execution), ISIS executions, etc.
>> etc.
>>
>
> Perhaps a stupid question but why is the coverage of her execution not
> enough for notability?
>
>
ISIS is executing people by the tens of thousands (many for reasons that
seem astonishingly petty to outsiders), so being executed by ISIS does not
confer notability in and of itself.

What would confer notability would be reporting about her *before* her
death, such as multiple significant references where she is a primary focus
of a report about (for example) women human rights activists in her native
country, or conferring of significant recognition such as a government or
significant NGO human rights award.  In other words, she needs to be
notable *before* her death in order to cross the notability threshold.  The
BLP1E threshold still applies.

(For those of you unfamiliar with the acronym, that means that a person
notable for only one event will not normally have a biographical article,
although some of the information (including the name of the individual) may
well be notable enough for inclusion in another article.  Example: Names of
victims of mass murderers - their names might be included in the article
about the murderer.  This is also known as the "Badlydrawnjeff" Arbcom
decision.)

I've deliberately not been following the articles related to this topic in
general, but I am quite certain, based on the significant reporting of this
specific event and its contextualization in the media reports (particularly
issues related to risks to educated women in Iraq), there's definitely a
place for this information on Wikipedia, either in an article about the
topic (identifying al-Nuaimi by name and event) or (if there is sufficient
information) in an article about herself.

Risker/Anne
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Re: [Gendergap] Iraqi human rights lawyer Samira Salih al-Nuaimi tortured and executed because Facebook; where is her Wikipedia article?

2014-12-22 Thread Leigh Honeywell 
On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Risker  wrote:
>
> It does not fall afoul of the meatpuppetry policy if the creator writes
> the article independently and using their own wording to create an
> appropriate article based on their own understanding and referencing to
> reliable sources.  For example, this one could fall into several topics:
> Women and ISIS, biography of individual (although you'd have to show she
> was notable for a reason other than her execution), ISIS executions, etc.
> etc.
>

Perhaps a stupid question but why is the coverage of her execution not
enough for notability?

Thanks,

-Leigh


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Re: [Gendergap] Iraqi human rights lawyer Samira Salih al-Nuaimi tortured and executed because Facebook; where is her Wikipedia article?

2014-12-22 Thread Risker 
It does not fall afoul of the meatpuppetry policy if the creator writes the
article independently and using their own wording to create an appropriate
article based on their own understanding and referencing to reliable
sources.  For example, this one could fall into several topics: Women and
ISIS, biography of individual (although you'd have to show she was notable
for a reason other than her execution), ISIS executions, etc. etc.

It would be meatpuppetry if you were to receive a fully-formed article from
someone and then copy-pasted it in and acted as if it was your own work.

Risker/Anne

On 22 December 2014 at 15:13, JJ Marr  wrote:

> Oh, forgot. But creating this article might fall afoul of the meatpuppetry
> policy.
> Neotarf is blocked from English Wikipedia, from what I know.
>
> Hence this post?
>
> -Sarah
>
> On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 10:56 AM, JJ Marr  wrote:
>
>> You can make one, if you'd like.
>> On Dec 22, 2014 1:43 PM, "Neotarf"  wrote:
>>
>>> Samira Salih al-Nuaimi (Arabic: سميرة صالح النعيمي  ) was kidnapped,
>>> tortured for 5 days, and publicly executed in the city of Mosul, after
>>> posting comments on Facebook that were critical of Islamic State (ISIL or
>>> ISIS) for their destruction of mosques and shrines. The U.N. reports a
>>> pattern of executions of women by the Islamic State, and states, “Educated,
>>> professional women seem to be particularly at risk.”
>>>
>>> Italian Wikipedia has an article at:
>>> http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samira_Saleh_al-Naimi
>>>
>>> Press coverage:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/26/world/middleeast/womens-rights-activist-executed-by-islamic-state-in-iraq.html?module=Search&mabReward=relbias%3Aw
>>>
>>> http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-iraq-islamic-state-kill-lawyer-20140925-story.html
>>>
>>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/25/samira-nuaimi-killed_n_5880900.html
>>>
>>> http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2014/09/25/ISIS-kills-Iraqi-woman-activist-.html
>>>
>>> http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/09/25/isis_executes_female_human_rights_lawyer_in_mosul_reports_say.html
>>>
>>> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-publicly-execute-leading-lawyer-and-human-rights-activist-in-iraq-9756197.html
>>>
>>> http://reliefweb.int/report/iraq/un-envoy-condemns-public-execution-human-rights-lawyer-ms-sameera-al-nuaimy-enar
>>>
>>> http://translations.state.gov/st/english/texttrans/2014/09/20140926308964.html?CP.rss=true#axzz3MO9GMfeg
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Neotarf
>>>
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Re: [Gendergap] Iraqi human rights lawyer Samira Salih al-Nuaimi tortured and executed because Facebook; where is her Wikipedia article?

2014-12-22 Thread JJ Marr 
Oh, forgot. But creating this article might fall afoul of the meatpuppetry
policy.
Neotarf is blocked from English Wikipedia, from what I know.

Hence this post?

-Sarah

On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 10:56 AM, JJ Marr  wrote:

> You can make one, if you'd like.
> On Dec 22, 2014 1:43 PM, "Neotarf"  wrote:
>
>> Samira Salih al-Nuaimi (Arabic: سميرة صالح النعيمي  ) was kidnapped,
>> tortured for 5 days, and publicly executed in the city of Mosul, after
>> posting comments on Facebook that were critical of Islamic State (ISIL or
>> ISIS) for their destruction of mosques and shrines. The U.N. reports a
>> pattern of executions of women by the Islamic State, and states, “Educated,
>> professional women seem to be particularly at risk.”
>>
>> Italian Wikipedia has an article at:
>> http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samira_Saleh_al-Naimi
>>
>> Press coverage:
>>
>>
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/26/world/middleeast/womens-rights-activist-executed-by-islamic-state-in-iraq.html?module=Search&mabReward=relbias%3Aw
>>
>> http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-iraq-islamic-state-kill-lawyer-20140925-story.html
>>
>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/25/samira-nuaimi-killed_n_5880900.html
>>
>> http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2014/09/25/ISIS-kills-Iraqi-woman-activist-.html
>>
>> http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/09/25/isis_executes_female_human_rights_lawyer_in_mosul_reports_say.html
>>
>> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-publicly-execute-leading-lawyer-and-human-rights-activist-in-iraq-9756197.html
>>
>> http://reliefweb.int/report/iraq/un-envoy-condemns-public-execution-human-rights-lawyer-ms-sameera-al-nuaimy-enar
>>
>> http://translations.state.gov/st/english/texttrans/2014/09/20140926308964.html?CP.rss=true#axzz3MO9GMfeg
>>
>> Regards,
>> Neotarf
>>
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Re: [Gendergap] Iraqi human rights lawyer Samira Salih al-Nuaimi tortured and executed because Facebook; where is her Wikipedia article?

2014-12-22 Thread Sarah Stierch 
Neotarf is blocked from English Wikipedia, from what I know.

Hence this post?

-Sarah

On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 10:56 AM, JJ Marr  wrote:

> You can make one, if you'd like.
> On Dec 22, 2014 1:43 PM, "Neotarf"  wrote:
>
>> Samira Salih al-Nuaimi (Arabic: سميرة صالح النعيمي  ) was kidnapped,
>> tortured for 5 days, and publicly executed in the city of Mosul, after
>> posting comments on Facebook that were critical of Islamic State (ISIL or
>> ISIS) for their destruction of mosques and shrines. The U.N. reports a
>> pattern of executions of women by the Islamic State, and states, “Educated,
>> professional women seem to be particularly at risk.”
>>
>> Italian Wikipedia has an article at:
>> http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samira_Saleh_al-Naimi
>>
>> Press coverage:
>>
>>
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/26/world/middleeast/womens-rights-activist-executed-by-islamic-state-in-iraq.html?module=Search&mabReward=relbias%3Aw
>>
>> http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-iraq-islamic-state-kill-lawyer-20140925-story.html
>>
>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/25/samira-nuaimi-killed_n_5880900.html
>>
>> http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2014/09/25/ISIS-kills-Iraqi-woman-activist-.html
>>
>> http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/09/25/isis_executes_female_human_rights_lawyer_in_mosul_reports_say.html
>>
>> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-publicly-execute-leading-lawyer-and-human-rights-activist-in-iraq-9756197.html
>>
>> http://reliefweb.int/report/iraq/un-envoy-condemns-public-execution-human-rights-lawyer-ms-sameera-al-nuaimy-enar
>>
>> http://translations.state.gov/st/english/texttrans/2014/09/20140926308964.html?CP.rss=true#axzz3MO9GMfeg
>>
>> Regards,
>> Neotarf
>>
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Re: [Gendergap] Iraqi human rights lawyer Samira Salih al-Nuaimi tortured and executed because Facebook; where is her Wikipedia article?

2014-12-22 Thread JJ Marr 
You can make one, if you'd like.
On Dec 22, 2014 1:43 PM, "Neotarf"  wrote:

> Samira Salih al-Nuaimi (Arabic: سميرة صالح النعيمي  ) was kidnapped,
> tortured for 5 days, and publicly executed in the city of Mosul, after
> posting comments on Facebook that were critical of Islamic State (ISIL or
> ISIS) for their destruction of mosques and shrines. The U.N. reports a
> pattern of executions of women by the Islamic State, and states, “Educated,
> professional women seem to be particularly at risk.”
>
> Italian Wikipedia has an article at:
> http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samira_Saleh_al-Naimi
>
> Press coverage:
>
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/26/world/middleeast/womens-rights-activist-executed-by-islamic-state-in-iraq.html?module=Search&mabReward=relbias%3Aw
>
> http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-iraq-islamic-state-kill-lawyer-20140925-story.html
>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/25/samira-nuaimi-killed_n_5880900.html
>
> http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2014/09/25/ISIS-kills-Iraqi-woman-activist-.html
>
> http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/09/25/isis_executes_female_human_rights_lawyer_in_mosul_reports_say.html
>
> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-publicly-execute-leading-lawyer-and-human-rights-activist-in-iraq-9756197.html
>
> http://reliefweb.int/report/iraq/un-envoy-condemns-public-execution-human-rights-lawyer-ms-sameera-al-nuaimy-enar
>
> http://translations.state.gov/st/english/texttrans/2014/09/20140926308964.html?CP.rss=true#axzz3MO9GMfeg
>
> Regards,
> Neotarf
>
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[Gendergap] Iraqi human rights lawyer Samira Salih al-Nuaimi tortured and executed because Facebook; where is her Wikipedia article?

2014-12-22 Thread Neotarf 
Samira Salih al-Nuaimi (Arabic: سميرة صالح النعيمي  ) was kidnapped,
tortured for 5 days, and publicly executed in the city of Mosul, after
posting comments on Facebook that were critical of Islamic State (ISIL or
ISIS) for their destruction of mosques and shrines. The U.N. reports a
pattern of executions of women by the Islamic State, and states, “Educated,
professional women seem to be particularly at risk.”

Italian Wikipedia has an article at:
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samira_Saleh_al-Naimi

Press coverage:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/26/world/middleeast/womens-rights-activist-executed-by-islamic-state-in-iraq.html?module=Search&mabReward=relbias%3Aw
http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-iraq-islamic-state-kill-lawyer-20140925-story.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/25/samira-nuaimi-killed_n_5880900.html
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2014/09/25/ISIS-kills-Iraqi-woman-activist-.html
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/09/25/isis_executes_female_human_rights_lawyer_in_mosul_reports_say.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-publicly-execute-leading-lawyer-and-human-rights-activist-in-iraq-9756197.html
http://reliefweb.int/report/iraq/un-envoy-condemns-public-execution-human-rights-lawyer-ms-sameera-al-nuaimy-enar
http://translations.state.gov/st/english/texttrans/2014/09/20140926308964.html?CP.rss=true#axzz3MO9GMfeg

Regards,
Neotarf
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