RE: Gump and Unicode
export LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 in /etc/.profile (or .bash_profile... depending on shell) of the user under which the processes run should map I'm not Solaris Expert, so I can't comment on this. My installs of Solaris 2.6 and 8 support the en_US.UTF-8 locale, so I suspect the process is the same. (although I haven't tested) NOTICE This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may contain copyright material of Macquarie Bank or third parties. If you are not the intended recipient of this email you should not read, print, re-transmit, store or act in reliance on this e-mail or any attachments, and should destroy all copies of them. Macquarie Bank does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or any attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Macquarie Bank. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Short Apache licence for source files
From: Ceki Gülcü [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] OK, I think I understand slightly better but our license refers to this software not to any specific file. IANAL, IAN-Roy, IAN-ASF, but... The license does not give any indication of what this software is. i.e. It doesn't define the scope of the piece of work to which it applies. Thus when Roy said: 'The problem with the 1.1 license is that it lacked a way to define the scope of what was covered beyond this file.' It means just that - the 1.1 license doesn't define what it applies to. It refers vaguely to THIS SOFTWARE, but that's all. The concern is that if it is not directly included within the source files then the scope of THIS SOFTWARE is unclear. Does it include all the source? What about the included jars? What if those jars are not under the ASF license? This not the case in the GPL (http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.txt) because Term 0 of the GPL defines (ot attempts to define) the scope of the work. My understanding is that License 2.0 will include a similar item (but I'm basing that on guesswork). While it should be clear to normal people what this software means, lawyers have a nasty habit of not seeing the obvious :) NOTICE This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may contain copyright material of Macquarie Bank or third parties. If you are not the intended recipient of this email you should not read, print, re-transmit, store or act in reliance on this e-mail or any attachments, and should destroy all copies of them. Macquarie Bank does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or any attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Macquarie Bank. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities...
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] If you are a commiter - you have the same rights with all other commiters. If you don't want to exercise some rights - it's your choice. But it's not just about exercising rights, it's also about granting rights. At the moment, you cannot grant someone one right (commit access) without also granting them additional rights (voting etc). Some people (myself included) would claim that the condition of entry for those rights, are not equal. In that case, where do you set the bar? At the bottom or the top? It seems that that is where this discussion really came from. Pier set it at the top (the code might be good, but he wasn't going to grant someone full committer rights based solely on that), while you set it closer to the bottom (the code deserved commit access, and that implies the other rights). Personally I'm -0 on this. I don't think commit access should be so widely given out, because I think that the developer communities should be larger than the set of committers. The voting rules allow for the casting of non-binding votes, but they tend not to be used much. It's fairly easy for non-committers to submit patches, but that puts a responsibility onto the committers to apply them in a timely fashion. I'm not a committer on any (sub)project, but I don't think that should stop me participating and expressing non-binding opinions. The community is open to non-committers, and you/we should be encouraging that. Why the rush to vote people in? There's a number of things that the committer status gives - which ones are being targeted? If all you're trying to do is avoid having to apply their patches for them, then that's a different discussion (i.e. How do you improve the patch-submit-apply process). If you think that he project needs to include the opinions/ideas of more people, then listen to the non-binding votes. I would think that making someone a committer is done in the anticipation that they will become a core member of the tomcat Jakarta communities. The commit/voting rights are just a side effect of that. -- NOTICE This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may contain copyright material of Macquarie Bank or third parties. If you are not the intended recipient of this email you should not read, print, re-transmit, store or act in reliance on this e-mail or any attachments, and should destroy all copies of them. Macquarie Bank does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or any attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Macquarie Bank. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] Subproject Proposal - crossdb
It is a problem people can understand and is easy to become fascinated with. Similar to they way everyone in the world has created their own text editor. Pah! Text Editors are for weenies. Real developers write their own window manager :) -- NOTICE This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may contain copyright material of Macquarie Bank or third parties. If you are not the intended recipient of this email you should not read, print, re-transmit, store or act in reliance on this e-mail or any attachments, and should destroy all copies of them. Macquarie Bank does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or any attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Macquarie Bank. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Subproject Proposal - crossdb
From: Leo Simons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Torque is a persistence layer that uses O/R mapping to use a database to provide persistence. A persistence layer is a handy tool in many server applications. CrossDB is a database abstraction layer that uses the Factory and the Builder pattern a lot which enables you to write code that works on several databases, transparantly. You can see it as an extension to JDBC. Database abstraction layers are useful in any application that talks to databases. I would add, that having a database abstraction layer doesn't prevent you from writing a persistence layer. If a project had a need to hand-craft their persistence layer (not sure why, but it's entirely possible), and a requirement to be able to connect to different database implementations at runtime (I know of products with that requirement) then it might be reasonable to write that persistence layer using CrossDB. You aren't scattering database logic throughout your code. You are centralising it into one chunk of code. You could read your column names from resources if you wished. At some point some piece of code has to use jdbc to talk to your database. If you need to talk to multiple databases (or even if you don't), then an abstraction like CrossDB may be suitable. I've never used it, I probably wouldn't use it, but if there is a need for people to still use JDBC directly (and I believe there is, in some cases), then a tool like CrossDB is not without merit. Not that this is in any way endorsing it as a jakarta project, since the requirement there are more about community and commitment than use cases. NOTICE This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may contain copyright material of Macquarie Bank or third parties. If you are not the intended recipient of this email you should not read, print, re-transmit, store or act in reliance on this e-mail or any attachments, and should destroy all copies of them. Macquarie Bank does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or any attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Macquarie Bank. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Subproject Proposal - crossdb
From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Sun, 2002-04-21 at 21:10, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The project is called crossdb and can be found at www.crossdb.com. What is it? crossdb is a Java API that is used to create SQL statements that are database independent. So you can write an application and have it run the exact same on any database (ie: MySQL, Oracle, MS SQL Server, etc.) Out of morbid curiosity... I couldn't find this answered on the website... How is this different then hsql (hsqldb.sourceforge.net) and why would I want to use it as opposed to hsql? I have nothing to do with either project, but hsql *is* a database. crossdb is a database API Your question is somewhat akin to what's the difference between jdbc and oracle? To the original poster (Travis), if you haven't already done so, you should read http://jakarta.apache.org/site/newproject.html and formulate your proposal to cover all the issues dicussed there. NOTICE This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may contain copyright material of Macquarie Bank or third parties. If you are not the intended recipient of this email you should not read, print, re-transmit, store or act in reliance on this e-mail or any attachments, and should destroy all copies of them. Macquarie Bank does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or any attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Macquarie Bank. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Parallel Ant (was RE: The Complete Server Platform?)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Cannot ant (like normal decent pmake/bsdmake) figure out from the dependencies what can be done in parallel. I am not asking for the awsomeness of 'make -j 8 world' of *BSD - butsomething close should be possible I take it - could be a nice graduade student project :-) It's probably feasible, but hard, and arguably the wrong place to do it. I assume that the time consuming part is the javac. If there's another task that's taking time, then it might be worth looking at, but for javac... Ant gets most of its speed gains (over make) by passing all the java code to javac at once. If it were passing the files one at a time, then it would be relatively easy to run two processes at once. But doing that would slow you down in almost all cases (maybe not on the 8-way box, but in 99% of cases it would) So Ant would have to take the fileset you pass, and do dependency analysis on it to produce two (or more) disjoint sets of files to pass separately to javac. There's a fair amount of complexity there, and I'm not sure that Ant is the place to put it. Since the normal cases for JavaC is to pass in multiple files at once, I think javac should be able to parallelise itself. So, a better grad project, might be to hack Jikes to support parallel compiles. [ I think follow-ups should go to Ant-Dev ] -- NOTICE This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may contain copyright material of Macquarie Bank or third parties. If you are not the intended recipient of this email you should not read, print, re-transmit, store or act in reliance on this e-mail or any attachments, and should destroy all copies of them. Macquarie Bank does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or any attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Macquarie Bank. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Free Wi32-CVS Gui client
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] I need a good free wi32 cvs client with gui. Any websites for download? Not sure how good it is (I don't use it) but: http://www.wincvs.org/ NOTICE This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may contain copyright material of Macquarie Bank or third parties. If you are not the intended recipient of this email you should not read, print, re-transmit, store or act in reliance on this e-mail or any attachments, and should destroy all copies of them. Macquarie Bank does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or any attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Macquarie Bank. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Code conventions
It's only two little lines extra to include the {}'s,
Yeah, but those two lines will make my code run slower.
Don't you know?
The less space your source code takes, the less space
your class file will take.
And smaller classes run faster.
It must be true - 90% of people I've worked with seem
to live by that principle.
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RE: crushed
Perhaps like Commons, there should be an open proving ground for those wishing to make steps into the Apache world. Probably not what you had in mind, but adding the project to the gump run would be a start. All sorts of monitoring goes on then, including prompting from the gump-er (ie Sam) to fix things that break. I know Sam (et al) have + will provide patches to other projects to bring their build systems up to scratch. It's a start at having the external community work with the Jakarta community(/ies), which seems to be the primary concern. If the project won't deal with gump nags, and can't keep their builds from breaking then they probably won't fit into Jakarta. NOTICE This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may contain copyright material of Macquarie Bank or third parties. If you are not the intended recipient of this email you should not read, print, re-transmit, store or act in reliance on this e-mail or any attachments, and should destroy all copies of them. Macquarie Bank does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or any attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Macquarie Bank. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Problem with Tomcat
From: Osama Shafaamri [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] I'm trying to use Tomcat 4.0.1 with our application, we have a problem, there is an exception which is thrown, we don't know what is the problem, even that with Tomcat 3.0 is working fine, so could you please advise me. Thankyou for your interest in Tomcat. For support and discussion of the tomcat server, please direct your mail to the tomcat-user mailing list as detailed below: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail.html NOTICE This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may contain copyright material of Macquarie Bank or third parties. If you are not the intended recipient of this email you should not read, print, re-transmit, store or act in reliance on this e-mail or any attachments, and should destroy all copies of them. Macquarie Bank does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or any attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Macquarie Bank. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Using bzip2 for tarball
From: Daniel Rall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] GOMEZ Henri [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What about using the bzip2 format for tarball along with gzip and zip format ? You have my +1, though I would instead recommend using bzip2 instead of gzip. +1 on adding bzip2 -1 or removing gzip Many (most?) non-linux users don't have bzip2 binaries, and forcing people to download the (somewhat larger) .zip files would most likely result in a net increase in traffic. -- The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. Macquarie Bank does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: HI
Any hint of what I should try? Your first step would be to post to the correct list. Maybe one of the tomcat ones? http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: ASPizer
From: Endre Stølsvik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] So you (Jakarta) rejected Jboss. I didn't know that. How incredibly smart of you. Ah yes, the incredible science of predicting alternative realities. How do you know that JBoss would have worked within Jakarta? Maybe the JBoss developers would have clashed with the culture here, and stopped working. It is possible that JBoss is doing well *because* it is a separate project, outside of the ASF. Regardless, I don't think people have lost out. JBoss exists, people can use it. What would have been gained by making it part of Jakarta? Think about the synergies between Tomcat and Jboss!!! Wow! Incredible. You can find synergies anywhere you want. It doesn't mean that the project is a good fit at Jakarta. It's just that Jakarta seems to be accepting and rejecting according to what you - the *main* man - want.. I would hardly call Jon the main man. But he is a member of the PMC which means he gets a vote. And his vote carries no more weight than anyone else's. You really seem to have some personal issues with Jon, how about you take them offline. We all know that Jon tends to be blunt and has a knack for offending people. I believe that Jakarta would be better served if he toned it down. But endless discussions on this list are not going to change anything. The Apache projects are meritocracies, people have influence based on their contributions. Jon has contributed a lot and that is why he is an ASF member. This is how apache works - deal with it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: ASPizer
From: Avi Cherry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Instead, he questioned the motives of the developer offering their code, implying that he was being selfish in wanting to have the Apache group take the project in. This was obviously not his intent, It might have been obvious to you, but it wasn't obvious to me (and still isn't) When I first read the original mail my reaction was Someone with a homeless project looking for an owner. In fact Paul's most recent mail says As a result of this, we are interested in building a market through open source. Which has an air of we can't afford to do this ourselves so we're hoping that we can utilise the Apache resources to get our product of the ground. There's nothing _wrong_ with that - my impression is that part of Sun's motive for donating to Jakarta is to take advantage of the resources/name of Apache to promote their technology. It can be a win-win situation, but if no one here thinks the project is worth being involved in, then there's no reason for the PMC et al. to put time/resources into it. Jon, it wouldn't kill you to be polite. That I most certainly agree with. Even a one line answer can be made more polite. A dosage of It appears to me... or I still don't see... can make most comments more palatable. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Viewcvs MIA
Then he should ask on the viewcvs mailing list because Jakarta's system is configured by the author of the product and isn't subscribed here and can't do anything to help him. And he was expected to know that, how? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Veltag JSP Taglib
I'm curious, why would you use Velocity in a JSP context? What's the value-add over Velocity by itself? Buzzword compliance. Sure our webpages are using JSP - look http://www.oursite.com/index.jsp; - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: sending returned email
From: Giedrius [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] We installed James Mail Server 1.2 with default configuration. And got interesting error: If MailServer can't send email, it stores in spool directory. And trying to send to sender with RE: and attached message. Then MAilServer can't send it, and history repeats until there is not free space on the hard disk. Sounds like something you should bring up on one of the James mailing lists. Try: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
