Re: [hlcoders] Source control solution?
When svn was explained to me, i was told that 1 thing svn doesnt do is manage the project for you. Team members still need to be know who's working in what area to avoid conflicts. The file locking method prevents devs from stuffing up someone else's work in progress, but that doesnt help when the dev in question goes on holiday for 3 weeks and forgets to commit their code. On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 5:24 AM, Bob Somers wrote: > Merges from hell generally occur when someone has been working for > weeks without committing their code. That's when you run into problems > because they (or someone else) has touched everywhere in the code base > and a ton of things need to be merged. Updating/committing often and > some simple communication between the developers go a long way to > preventing merge pains. > > --Bob > > > > On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 6:48 AM, Saul Rennison > wrote: > > There's only been one case of merge screwing up on me. I say screwed > > up but I really mean it should have come up as "Conflicted" instead of > > trying to be too clever and merging in code which I just removed. > > > > I've never locked any file and my team haven't needed too either. > > Merge works fine, but then again it's not always common for more than > > one person to be messing with the same function at the same time tbh. > > > > Thanks, > > - Saul. > > > > On 25 Aug 2009, at 13:56, "Arg!" wrote: > > > >> to take full advantage of SVN you really need to switch out of the > >> file > >> locking mentality. > >> > >> it seems counter-intuitive at first but after a while its pure magic. > >> > >> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Andrew Armstrong < > and...@mammoth.com.au > >> >wrote: > >> > >>> File locking sucks, learn to use merge. Heck, SVN takes care of it > >>> for you > >>> the majority of the time! > >>> > >>> - Andrew > >>> > >>> -Original Message- > >>> From: hlcoders-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com > >>> [mailto:hlcoders-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of DAV > >>> Sent: Tuesday, 25 August 2009 6:11 PM > >>> To: Discussion of Half-Life Programming > >>> Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Source control solution? > >>> > >>> Thanks for all the replies. It really helped. > >>> > >>> I decided to give the svn/xp-dev.com/tortoiseSVN another try. > >>> And after some work i managed to get used to it. > >>> > >>> I managed to make the lock of all the files mandatory and also add > >>> some > >>> other things more at my taste. > >>> I know the lock doesn't have to be but i don't like the merge thing. > >>> > >>> I just have to keep remembering that that VSS 'Get latest version' > >>> is SVN > >>> 'Checkout' and VSS 'Check Out' is SVN 'Lock On'. ;) > >>> (and other similar things) > >>> > >>> Thanks again, > >>> Davide (DAV) > >>> Email: d...@davlevels.com > >>> Azure Sheep: http://mods.davlevels.com/azuresheep/ > >>> Point of View: http://mods.davlevels.com/pointofview/ > >>> DAV Levels: http://www.davlevels.com/ > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 12:12 AM, Arg! wrote: > >>> > >>>> I had some trouble moving from locking based SourceSafe to SVN as > >>>> well, > >>> but > >>>> once someone sat down and explained it to me, it actually makes a > >>>> lot > >>> more > >>>> sense. If its just 1 person or a team, SVN works brilliantly. > >>>> It does require a different way of thinking from the SourceSafe > >>>> camp but > >>> if > >>>> you constantly compare the two you wont be able to see the benefits. > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 8:16 AM, David Kraeutmann > >>>> >>>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Cygwin's/linux QT based gui. Forgot how it's called. > >>>>> > >>>>> On 8/24/09, Stephen Micheals wrote: > >>>>>> What other gui's are available for git on windows, i have not been > >>>>>> able to find any that were even up to par with Tortoisegit. > >>>>>
Re: [hlcoders] Source control solution?
Merges from hell generally occur when someone has been working for weeks without committing their code. That's when you run into problems because they (or someone else) has touched everywhere in the code base and a ton of things need to be merged. Updating/committing often and some simple communication between the developers go a long way to preventing merge pains. --Bob On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 6:48 AM, Saul Rennison wrote: > There's only been one case of merge screwing up on me. I say screwed > up but I really mean it should have come up as "Conflicted" instead of > trying to be too clever and merging in code which I just removed. > > I've never locked any file and my team haven't needed too either. > Merge works fine, but then again it's not always common for more than > one person to be messing with the same function at the same time tbh. > > Thanks, > - Saul. > > On 25 Aug 2009, at 13:56, "Arg!" wrote: > >> to take full advantage of SVN you really need to switch out of the >> file >> locking mentality. >> >> it seems counter-intuitive at first but after a while its pure magic. >> >> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Andrew Armstrong > >wrote: >> >>> File locking sucks, learn to use merge. Heck, SVN takes care of it >>> for you >>> the majority of the time! >>> >>> - Andrew >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: hlcoders-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com >>> [mailto:hlcoders-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of DAV >>> Sent: Tuesday, 25 August 2009 6:11 PM >>> To: Discussion of Half-Life Programming >>> Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Source control solution? >>> >>> Thanks for all the replies. It really helped. >>> >>> I decided to give the svn/xp-dev.com/tortoiseSVN another try. >>> And after some work i managed to get used to it. >>> >>> I managed to make the lock of all the files mandatory and also add >>> some >>> other things more at my taste. >>> I know the lock doesn't have to be but i don't like the merge thing. >>> >>> I just have to keep remembering that that VSS 'Get latest version' >>> is SVN >>> 'Checkout' and VSS 'Check Out' is SVN 'Lock On'. ;) >>> (and other similar things) >>> >>> Thanks again, >>> Davide (DAV) >>> Email: d...@davlevels.com >>> Azure Sheep: http://mods.davlevels.com/azuresheep/ >>> Point of View: http://mods.davlevels.com/pointofview/ >>> DAV Levels: http://www.davlevels.com/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 12:12 AM, Arg! wrote: >>> >>>> I had some trouble moving from locking based SourceSafe to SVN as >>>> well, >>> but >>>> once someone sat down and explained it to me, it actually makes a >>>> lot >>> more >>>> sense. If its just 1 person or a team, SVN works brilliantly. >>>> It does require a different way of thinking from the SourceSafe >>>> camp but >>> if >>>> you constantly compare the two you wont be able to see the benefits. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 8:16 AM, David Kraeutmann >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Cygwin's/linux QT based gui. Forgot how it's called. >>>>> >>>>> On 8/24/09, Stephen Micheals wrote: >>>>>> What other gui's are available for git on windows, i have not been >>>>>> able to find any that were even up to par with Tortoisegit. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 2:31 PM, David Kraeutmann>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> TortoiseGIT was the worst git GUI I ever encountered. >>>>>>> Also, if anyone needs SVN/git/whatever hosting, write me (it'll >>>>>>> be >>>>>>> most probably free ;) ) >>>>>> >>>>>> ___ >>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>> archives, >>>>>> please visit: >>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Sent from my mobile device >>>>> >>>>> __
Re: [hlcoders] Source control solution?
There's only been one case of merge screwing up on me. I say screwed up but I really mean it should have come up as "Conflicted" instead of trying to be too clever and merging in code which I just removed. I've never locked any file and my team haven't needed too either. Merge works fine, but then again it's not always common for more than one person to be messing with the same function at the same time tbh. Thanks, - Saul. On 25 Aug 2009, at 13:56, "Arg!" wrote: > to take full advantage of SVN you really need to switch out of the > file > locking mentality. > > it seems counter-intuitive at first but after a while its pure magic. > > On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Andrew Armstrong >wrote: > >> File locking sucks, learn to use merge. Heck, SVN takes care of it >> for you >> the majority of the time! >> >> - Andrew >> >> -Original Message- >> From: hlcoders-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com >> [mailto:hlcoders-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of DAV >> Sent: Tuesday, 25 August 2009 6:11 PM >> To: Discussion of Half-Life Programming >> Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Source control solution? >> >> Thanks for all the replies. It really helped. >> >> I decided to give the svn/xp-dev.com/tortoiseSVN another try. >> And after some work i managed to get used to it. >> >> I managed to make the lock of all the files mandatory and also add >> some >> other things more at my taste. >> I know the lock doesn't have to be but i don't like the merge thing. >> >> I just have to keep remembering that that VSS 'Get latest version' >> is SVN >> 'Checkout' and VSS 'Check Out' is SVN 'Lock On'. ;) >> (and other similar things) >> >> Thanks again, >> Davide (DAV) >> Email: d...@davlevels.com >> Azure Sheep: http://mods.davlevels.com/azuresheep/ >> Point of View: http://mods.davlevels.com/pointofview/ >> DAV Levels: http://www.davlevels.com/ >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 12:12 AM, Arg! wrote: >> >>> I had some trouble moving from locking based SourceSafe to SVN as >>> well, >> but >>> once someone sat down and explained it to me, it actually makes a >>> lot >> more >>> sense. If its just 1 person or a team, SVN works brilliantly. >>> It does require a different way of thinking from the SourceSafe >>> camp but >> if >>> you constantly compare the two you wont be able to see the benefits. >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 8:16 AM, David Kraeutmann >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Cygwin's/linux QT based gui. Forgot how it's called. >>>> >>>> On 8/24/09, Stephen Micheals wrote: >>>>> What other gui's are available for git on windows, i have not been >>>>> able to find any that were even up to par with Tortoisegit. >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 2:31 PM, David Kraeutmann>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> TortoiseGIT was the worst git GUI I ever encountered. >>>>>> Also, if anyone needs SVN/git/whatever hosting, write me (it'll >>>>>> be >>>>>> most probably free ;) ) >>>>> >>>>> ___ >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> archives, >>>>> please visit: >>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Sent from my mobile device >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>> archives, >>>> please visit: >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >>>> >>>> >>> ___ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>> archives, >>> please visit: >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >>> >>> >>> >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >> >> >> >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >> >> > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Source control solution?
Indeed, it sounds like you know how to merge so what's the problem? On 25/08/2009, at 10:56 PM, "Arg!" wrote: > to take full advantage of SVN you really need to switch out of the > file > locking mentality. > > it seems counter-intuitive at first but after a while its pure magic. > > On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Andrew Armstrong >wrote: > >> File locking sucks, learn to use merge. Heck, SVN takes care of it >> for you >> the majority of the time! >> >> - Andrew >> >> -Original Message- >> From: hlcoders-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com >> [mailto:hlcoders-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of DAV >> Sent: Tuesday, 25 August 2009 6:11 PM >> To: Discussion of Half-Life Programming >> Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Source control solution? >> >> Thanks for all the replies. It really helped. >> >> I decided to give the svn/xp-dev.com/tortoiseSVN another try. >> And after some work i managed to get used to it. >> >> I managed to make the lock of all the files mandatory and also add >> some >> other things more at my taste. >> I know the lock doesn't have to be but i don't like the merge thing. >> >> I just have to keep remembering that that VSS 'Get latest version' >> is SVN >> 'Checkout' and VSS 'Check Out' is SVN 'Lock On'. ;) >> (and other similar things) >> >> Thanks again, >> Davide (DAV) >> Email: d...@davlevels.com >> Azure Sheep: http://mods.davlevels.com/azuresheep/ >> Point of View: http://mods.davlevels.com/pointofview/ >> DAV Levels: http://www.davlevels.com/ >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 12:12 AM, Arg! wrote: >> >>> I had some trouble moving from locking based SourceSafe to SVN as >>> well, >> but >>> once someone sat down and explained it to me, it actually makes a >>> lot >> more >>> sense. If its just 1 person or a team, SVN works brilliantly. >>> It does require a different way of thinking from the SourceSafe >>> camp but >> if >>> you constantly compare the two you wont be able to see the benefits. >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 8:16 AM, David Kraeutmann >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Cygwin's/linux QT based gui. Forgot how it's called. >>>> >>>> On 8/24/09, Stephen Micheals wrote: >>>>> What other gui's are available for git on windows, i have not been >>>>> able to find any that were even up to par with Tortoisegit. >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 2:31 PM, David Kraeutmann>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> TortoiseGIT was the worst git GUI I ever encountered. >>>>>> Also, if anyone needs SVN/git/whatever hosting, write me (it'll >>>>>> be >>>>>> most probably free ;) ) >>>>> >>>>> ___ >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> archives, >>>>> please visit: >>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Sent from my mobile device >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>> archives, >>>> please visit: >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >>>> >>>> >>> ___ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>> archives, >>> please visit: >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >>> >>> >>> >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >> >> >> >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >> >> > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Source control solution?
to take full advantage of SVN you really need to switch out of the file locking mentality. it seems counter-intuitive at first but after a while its pure magic. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Andrew Armstrong wrote: > File locking sucks, learn to use merge. Heck, SVN takes care of it for you > the majority of the time! > > - Andrew > > -Original Message- > From: hlcoders-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com > [mailto:hlcoders-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of DAV > Sent: Tuesday, 25 August 2009 6:11 PM > To: Discussion of Half-Life Programming > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Source control solution? > > Thanks for all the replies. It really helped. > > I decided to give the svn/xp-dev.com/tortoiseSVN another try. > And after some work i managed to get used to it. > > I managed to make the lock of all the files mandatory and also add some > other things more at my taste. > I know the lock doesn't have to be but i don't like the merge thing. > > I just have to keep remembering that that VSS 'Get latest version' is SVN > 'Checkout' and VSS 'Check Out' is SVN 'Lock On'. ;) > (and other similar things) > > Thanks again, > Davide (DAV) > Email: d...@davlevels.com > Azure Sheep: http://mods.davlevels.com/azuresheep/ > Point of View: http://mods.davlevels.com/pointofview/ > DAV Levels: http://www.davlevels.com/ > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 12:12 AM, Arg! wrote: > > > I had some trouble moving from locking based SourceSafe to SVN as well, > but > > once someone sat down and explained it to me, it actually makes a lot > more > > sense. If its just 1 person or a team, SVN works brilliantly. > > It does require a different way of thinking from the SourceSafe camp but > if > > you constantly compare the two you wont be able to see the benefits. > > > > On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 8:16 AM, David Kraeutmann > >wrote: > > > > > Cygwin's/linux QT based gui. Forgot how it's called. > > > > > > On 8/24/09, Stephen Micheals wrote: > > > > What other gui's are available for git on windows, i have not been > > > > able to find any that were even up to par with Tortoisegit. > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 2:31 PM, David Kraeutmann > > > > > wrote: > > > >> TortoiseGIT was the worst git GUI I ever encountered. > > > >> Also, if anyone needs SVN/git/whatever hosting, write me (it'll be > > > >> most probably free ;) ) > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, > > > > please visit: > > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Sent from my mobile device > > > > > > ___ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > > please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > > > > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > > > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Source control solution?
File locking sucks, learn to use merge. Heck, SVN takes care of it for you the majority of the time! - Andrew -Original Message- From: hlcoders-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlcoders-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of DAV Sent: Tuesday, 25 August 2009 6:11 PM To: Discussion of Half-Life Programming Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Source control solution? Thanks for all the replies. It really helped. I decided to give the svn/xp-dev.com/tortoiseSVN another try. And after some work i managed to get used to it. I managed to make the lock of all the files mandatory and also add some other things more at my taste. I know the lock doesn't have to be but i don't like the merge thing. I just have to keep remembering that that VSS 'Get latest version' is SVN 'Checkout' and VSS 'Check Out' is SVN 'Lock On'. ;) (and other similar things) Thanks again, Davide (DAV) Email: d...@davlevels.com Azure Sheep: http://mods.davlevels.com/azuresheep/ Point of View: http://mods.davlevels.com/pointofview/ DAV Levels: http://www.davlevels.com/ On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 12:12 AM, Arg! wrote: > I had some trouble moving from locking based SourceSafe to SVN as well, but > once someone sat down and explained it to me, it actually makes a lot more > sense. If its just 1 person or a team, SVN works brilliantly. > It does require a different way of thinking from the SourceSafe camp but if > you constantly compare the two you wont be able to see the benefits. > > On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 8:16 AM, David Kraeutmann >wrote: > > > Cygwin's/linux QT based gui. Forgot how it's called. > > > > On 8/24/09, Stephen Micheals wrote: > > > What other gui's are available for git on windows, i have not been > > > able to find any that were even up to par with Tortoisegit. > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 2:31 PM, David Kraeutmann > > > wrote: > > >> TortoiseGIT was the worst git GUI I ever encountered. > > >> Also, if anyone needs SVN/git/whatever hosting, write me (it'll be > > >> most probably free ;) ) > > > > > > ___ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > > please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Sent from my mobile device > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Source control solution?
Merging really isn't all that scary once you've done it a few times, and as long as you keep you change sets small and to the point, it shouldn't pose you any problems. Of course that only really matters if you're working with someone else at the same time. Rich DAV wrote: > ...VSS 'Get latest version' is SVN 'Update' :S > > > Davide (DAV) > Email: d...@davlevels.com > Azure Sheep: http://mods.davlevels.com/azuresheep/ > Point of View: http://mods.davlevels.com/pointofview/ > DAV Levels: http://www.davlevels.com/ > > > > On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:11 AM, DAV wrote: > > >> Thanks for all the replies. It really helped. >> >> I decided to give the svn/xp-dev.com/tortoiseSVN another try. >> And after some work i managed to get used to it. >> >> I managed to make the lock of all the files mandatory and also add some >> other things more at my taste. >> I know the lock doesn't have to be but i don't like the merge thing. >> >> I just have to keep remembering that that VSS 'Get latest version' is SVN >> 'Checkout' and VSS 'Check Out' is SVN 'Lock On'. ;) >> (and other similar things) >> >> Thanks again, >> Davide (DAV) >> Email: d...@davlevels.com >> Azure Sheep: http://mods.davlevels.com/azuresheep/ >> Point of View: http://mods.davlevels.com/pointofview/ >> DAV Levels: http://www.davlevels.com/ >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 12:12 AM, Arg! wrote: >> >> >>> I had some trouble moving from locking based SourceSafe to SVN as well, >>> but >>> once someone sat down and explained it to me, it actually makes a lot more >>> sense. If its just 1 person or a team, SVN works brilliantly. >>> It does require a different way of thinking from the SourceSafe camp but >>> if >>> you constantly compare the two you wont be able to see the benefits. >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 8:16 AM, David Kraeutmann >> wrote: Cygwin's/linux QT based gui. Forgot how it's called. On 8/24/09, Stephen Micheals wrote: > What other gui's are available for git on windows, i have not been > able to find any that were even up to par with Tortoisegit. > > On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 2:31 PM, David Kraeutmann > wrote: > >> TortoiseGIT was the worst git GUI I ever encountered. >> Also, if anyone needs SVN/git/whatever hosting, write me (it'll be >> most probably free ;) ) >> > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > > -- Sent from my mobile device ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >>> ___ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >>> >>> >>> >>> > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Source control solution?
...VSS 'Get latest version' is SVN 'Update' :S Davide (DAV) Email: d...@davlevels.com Azure Sheep: http://mods.davlevels.com/azuresheep/ Point of View: http://mods.davlevels.com/pointofview/ DAV Levels: http://www.davlevels.com/ On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:11 AM, DAV wrote: > Thanks for all the replies. It really helped. > > I decided to give the svn/xp-dev.com/tortoiseSVN another try. > And after some work i managed to get used to it. > > I managed to make the lock of all the files mandatory and also add some > other things more at my taste. > I know the lock doesn't have to be but i don't like the merge thing. > > I just have to keep remembering that that VSS 'Get latest version' is SVN > 'Checkout' and VSS 'Check Out' is SVN 'Lock On'. ;) > (and other similar things) > > Thanks again, > Davide (DAV) > Email: d...@davlevels.com > Azure Sheep: http://mods.davlevels.com/azuresheep/ > Point of View: http://mods.davlevels.com/pointofview/ > DAV Levels: http://www.davlevels.com/ > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 12:12 AM, Arg! wrote: > >> I had some trouble moving from locking based SourceSafe to SVN as well, >> but >> once someone sat down and explained it to me, it actually makes a lot more >> sense. If its just 1 person or a team, SVN works brilliantly. >> It does require a different way of thinking from the SourceSafe camp but >> if >> you constantly compare the two you wont be able to see the benefits. >> >> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 8:16 AM, David Kraeutmann > >wrote: >> >> > Cygwin's/linux QT based gui. Forgot how it's called. >> > >> > On 8/24/09, Stephen Micheals wrote: >> > > What other gui's are available for git on windows, i have not been >> > > able to find any that were even up to par with Tortoisegit. >> > > >> > > On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 2:31 PM, David Kraeutmann >> > > wrote: >> > >> TortoiseGIT was the worst git GUI I ever encountered. >> > >> Also, if anyone needs SVN/git/whatever hosting, write me (it'll be >> > >> most probably free ;) ) >> > > >> > > ___ >> > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> > > please visit: >> > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >> > > >> > > >> > >> > -- >> > Sent from my mobile device >> > >> > ___ >> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> > please visit: >> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >> > >> > >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >> >> >> > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Source control solution?
Thanks for all the replies. It really helped. I decided to give the svn/xp-dev.com/tortoiseSVN another try. And after some work i managed to get used to it. I managed to make the lock of all the files mandatory and also add some other things more at my taste. I know the lock doesn't have to be but i don't like the merge thing. I just have to keep remembering that that VSS 'Get latest version' is SVN 'Checkout' and VSS 'Check Out' is SVN 'Lock On'. ;) (and other similar things) Thanks again, Davide (DAV) Email: d...@davlevels.com Azure Sheep: http://mods.davlevels.com/azuresheep/ Point of View: http://mods.davlevels.com/pointofview/ DAV Levels: http://www.davlevels.com/ On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 12:12 AM, Arg! wrote: > I had some trouble moving from locking based SourceSafe to SVN as well, but > once someone sat down and explained it to me, it actually makes a lot more > sense. If its just 1 person or a team, SVN works brilliantly. > It does require a different way of thinking from the SourceSafe camp but if > you constantly compare the two you wont be able to see the benefits. > > On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 8:16 AM, David Kraeutmann >wrote: > > > Cygwin's/linux QT based gui. Forgot how it's called. > > > > On 8/24/09, Stephen Micheals wrote: > > > What other gui's are available for git on windows, i have not been > > > able to find any that were even up to par with Tortoisegit. > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 2:31 PM, David Kraeutmann > > > wrote: > > >> TortoiseGIT was the worst git GUI I ever encountered. > > >> Also, if anyone needs SVN/git/whatever hosting, write me (it'll be > > >> most probably free ;) ) > > > > > > ___ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > > please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Sent from my mobile device > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Source control solution?
I had some trouble moving from locking based SourceSafe to SVN as well, but once someone sat down and explained it to me, it actually makes a lot more sense. If its just 1 person or a team, SVN works brilliantly. It does require a different way of thinking from the SourceSafe camp but if you constantly compare the two you wont be able to see the benefits. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 8:16 AM, David Kraeutmann wrote: > Cygwin's/linux QT based gui. Forgot how it's called. > > On 8/24/09, Stephen Micheals wrote: > > What other gui's are available for git on windows, i have not been > > able to find any that were even up to par with Tortoisegit. > > > > On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 2:31 PM, David Kraeutmann > > wrote: > >> TortoiseGIT was the worst git GUI I ever encountered. > >> Also, if anyone needs SVN/git/whatever hosting, write me (it'll be > >> most probably free ;) ) > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > > > > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Source control solution?
Cygwin's/linux QT based gui. Forgot how it's called. On 8/24/09, Stephen Micheals wrote: > What other gui's are available for git on windows, i have not been > able to find any that were even up to par with Tortoisegit. > > On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 2:31 PM, David Kraeutmann > wrote: >> TortoiseGIT was the worst git GUI I ever encountered. >> Also, if anyone needs SVN/git/whatever hosting, write me (it'll be >> most probably free ;) ) > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > -- Sent from my mobile device ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Source control solution?
Perforce seems nice for versioned binary distribution, but it is not free. On 8/24/09, Jonathan Murphy wrote: > Since using Perforce at work, I'd find it hard to return to SVN for > any form of binary file management. But it is free... > > On Tuesday, August 25, 2009, Harry Jeffery > wrote: >> Just finished sorting out my SVN. I now have all my code safe. I've >> just got to learn to update the sdk using tortoise svn as the wiki >> ignores that part and I cant find the svn command line tool anywhere. >> >> I think I love SVN. >> >> 2009/8/24 Stephen Micheals : >>> http://code.google.com/p/tortoisegit/ >>> >>> its working very well so far. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 1:34 PM, joshua simmons >>> wrote: Linus doesn't have much to do with git anymore, he just bootstrapped it really. Git's windows support certainly is a talking point, and I do believe it needs to be a core concern rather than a third party port, that said a lot of people still use it on windows, whether they're masochistic or it's getting better I can't really say. >>> >>> ___ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >>> >>> >> >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >> >> > > -- > Programmer for Resistance and Liberation > www.resistanceandliberation.com > Programmer for Red Tribe > www.redtribe.com > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > -- Sent from my mobile device ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Source control solution?
What other gui's are available for git on windows, i have not been able to find any that were even up to par with Tortoisegit. On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 2:31 PM, David Kraeutmann wrote: > TortoiseGIT was the worst git GUI I ever encountered. > Also, if anyone needs SVN/git/whatever hosting, write me (it'll be > most probably free ;) ) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
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> Also, if anyone needs SVN/git/whatever hosting, write me (it'll be > most probably free ;) ) At the moment I'm getting my svn hosted @ www.xp-dev.com It's pretty nice, free, closed source, unlimited users and has a size of 500mb. It should be enough for the code. For the mod's content I can't say it would be, but I'm not keeping the mod's content under svn... yet. I'll drop you an email if I do take the plunge there as well. (Which I probably will) 2009/8/24 David Kraeutmann : > TortoiseGIT was the worst git GUI I ever encountered. > Also, if anyone needs SVN/git/whatever hosting, write me (it'll be > most probably free ;) ) > > On 8/24/09, Harry Jeffery wrote: >> Just finished sorting out my SVN. I now have all my code safe. I've >> just got to learn to update the sdk using tortoise svn as the wiki >> ignores that part and I cant find the svn command line tool anywhere. >> >> I think I love SVN. >> >> 2009/8/24 Stephen Micheals : >>> http://code.google.com/p/tortoisegit/ >>> >>> its working very well so far. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 1:34 PM, joshua simmons >>> wrote: Linus doesn't have much to do with git anymore, he just bootstrapped it really. Git's windows support certainly is a talking point, and I do believe it needs to be a core concern rather than a third party port, that said a lot of people still use it on windows, whether they're masochistic or it's getting better I can't really say. >>> >>> ___ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >>> >>> >> >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >> >> > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Source control solution?
Since using Perforce at work, I'd find it hard to return to SVN for any form of binary file management. But it is free... On Tuesday, August 25, 2009, Harry Jeffery wrote: > Just finished sorting out my SVN. I now have all my code safe. I've > just got to learn to update the sdk using tortoise svn as the wiki > ignores that part and I cant find the svn command line tool anywhere. > > I think I love SVN. > > 2009/8/24 Stephen Micheals : >> http://code.google.com/p/tortoisegit/ >> >> its working very well so far. >> >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 1:34 PM, joshua simmons wrote: >>> Linus doesn't have much to do with git anymore, he just bootstrapped it >>> really. >>> >>> Git's windows support certainly is a talking point, and I do believe >>> it needs to be a core concern rather than a third party port, that >>> said a lot of people still use it on windows, whether they're >>> masochistic or it's getting better I can't really say. >> >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >> >> > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > -- Programmer for Resistance and Liberation www.resistanceandliberation.com Programmer for Red Tribe www.redtribe.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Source control solution?
TortoiseGIT was the worst git GUI I ever encountered. Also, if anyone needs SVN/git/whatever hosting, write me (it'll be most probably free ;) ) On 8/24/09, Harry Jeffery wrote: > Just finished sorting out my SVN. I now have all my code safe. I've > just got to learn to update the sdk using tortoise svn as the wiki > ignores that part and I cant find the svn command line tool anywhere. > > I think I love SVN. > > 2009/8/24 Stephen Micheals : >> http://code.google.com/p/tortoisegit/ >> >> its working very well so far. >> >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 1:34 PM, joshua simmons >> wrote: >>> Linus doesn't have much to do with git anymore, he just bootstrapped it >>> really. >>> >>> Git's windows support certainly is a talking point, and I do believe >>> it needs to be a core concern rather than a third party port, that >>> said a lot of people still use it on windows, whether they're >>> masochistic or it's getting better I can't really say. >> >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >> >> > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > -- Sent from my mobile device ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Source control solution?
Just finished sorting out my SVN. I now have all my code safe. I've just got to learn to update the sdk using tortoise svn as the wiki ignores that part and I cant find the svn command line tool anywhere. I think I love SVN. 2009/8/24 Stephen Micheals : > http://code.google.com/p/tortoisegit/ > > its working very well so far. > > > > On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 1:34 PM, joshua simmons wrote: >> Linus doesn't have much to do with git anymore, he just bootstrapped it >> really. >> >> Git's windows support certainly is a talking point, and I do believe >> it needs to be a core concern rather than a third party port, that >> said a lot of people still use it on windows, whether they're >> masochistic or it's getting better I can't really say. > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Source control solution?
http://code.google.com/p/tortoisegit/ its working very well so far. On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 1:34 PM, joshua simmons wrote: > Linus doesn't have much to do with git anymore, he just bootstrapped it > really. > > Git's windows support certainly is a talking point, and I do believe > it needs to be a core concern rather than a third party port, that > said a lot of people still use it on windows, whether they're > masochistic or it's getting better I can't really say. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Source control solution?
Linus doesn't have much to do with git anymore, he just bootstrapped it really. Git's windows support certainly is a talking point, and I do believe it needs to be a core concern rather than a third party port, that said a lot of people still use it on windows, whether they're masochistic or it's getting better I can't really say. Mercurial seems to get the initial easer to use ticket, but to me they're exactly the same in common usage, they both export an awfully common command set for the most part, but with git building on that with more if you're really into it. I suppose things like git's cache ( index ) could be confusing to some people, but it's one of the features I use a lot. Both of them can be used exactly as one would use svn, and git can adapt to any workflow you could possibly contrive. That said, really it comes down to personal preference, so have a play with all of them and pick what you like. Just don't be too keen to rule any of the seemingly more complex ones out, you might grow to like them in the end. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 5:02 AM, Bob Somers wrote: > With SVN, the tags/branches/trunk thing is purely an organizational > practice. You don't have to set it up that way if it makes sense some > other way to you. Generally it's done to keep the experimental > branches and stable tags out of the fray of the main trunk, but hey if > you've got a better idea for all means go for it. > > I played with distributed a bit, and I was honestly more impressed > with Mercurial than Git. Both are still wet behind the ears, but it > seemed like Mercurial was further along and was better fleshed out. > Git has the star power of Linus, but c'mon guys he's just a guy, not > superman. In particular I was thoroughly unimpressed with Git's wonky > Windows support. Yes I know there's some fancy packaging done up with > MSYS (I'm a big user of the MinGW compiler) but it seems like a hack > and just isn't as polished as Mercurial. Mercurial is written in > Python so the cross-platform support is there and there seems to be > better import/export support for moving to/from other version control > systems. Neither have third-party GUIs that are particularly stable or > compelling. > > It's an interesting field out there. :) > > --Bob > > > > > On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Kohan Venets wrote: >> >> Yeah, some things are a little arcane that way, it's all good. I use the >> instructions on that page, and it is nice. Good luck! >> >> -Kohan >> >> >> >>> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:56:01 +0100 >>> From: harry101jeff...@googlemail.com >>> To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com >>> Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Source control solution? >>> >>> Cheers, thought I would have seen it in the Wiki before. >>> >>> >>> 2009/8/24 Kohan Venets : >>> > >>> > http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Using_Subversion_for_Source_Control_with_the_Source_SDK >>> > >>> > :) >>> > >>> > -Kohan >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:32:58 +0100 >>> >> From: harry101jeff...@googlemail.com >>> >> To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com >>> >> Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Source control solution? >>> >> >>> >> Agreed. I think the Wiki should have a tutorial for setting up source >>> >> control with tortoise svn and prehaps xp-dev.com as an example host. >>> >> >>> >> I'm still trying to figure it all out. SVN really isn't something I'm >>> >> used to. >>> >> >>> >> At the moment I'm thinking of having it like this: >>> >> >>> >> root >>> >> root->trunk >>> >> root->branches >>> >> root->branches->sdk >>> >> root->branches->mod >>> >> root->branches->mod->trunk >>> >> root->branches->mod->branches >>> >> >>> >> When there is an SDK update I put it into the sdk branch and merge it >>> >> into the main trunk. From there I merge the sdk update into the mod's >>> >> trunk and into it's branches. >>> >> >>> >> Problem is I'm at a bit of a loss as to if this is how I should do it >>> >> and how to set it all up. >>> >> >>> >> 2009/8/24 Jorge Rodriguez : >>> >> > For the love of God don't use SourceSafe. It
Re: [hlcoders] Source control solution?
We tried both hg and git. Git was way faster and more stable than hg. Also, hg is more resource-intensive. I recommend cygwin git and using the git over SSH protocol. On 8/24/09, Bob Somers wrote: > With SVN, the tags/branches/trunk thing is purely an organizational > practice. You don't have to set it up that way if it makes sense some > other way to you. Generally it's done to keep the experimental > branches and stable tags out of the fray of the main trunk, but hey if > you've got a better idea for all means go for it. > > I played with distributed a bit, and I was honestly more impressed > with Mercurial than Git. Both are still wet behind the ears, but it > seemed like Mercurial was further along and was better fleshed out. > Git has the star power of Linus, but c'mon guys he's just a guy, not > superman. In particular I was thoroughly unimpressed with Git's wonky > Windows support. Yes I know there's some fancy packaging done up with > MSYS (I'm a big user of the MinGW compiler) but it seems like a hack > and just isn't as polished as Mercurial. Mercurial is written in > Python so the cross-platform support is there and there seems to be > better import/export support for moving to/from other version control > systems. Neither have third-party GUIs that are particularly stable or > compelling. > > It's an interesting field out there. :) > > --Bob > > > > > On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Kohan Venets wrote: >> >> Yeah, some things are a little arcane that way, it's all good. I use the >> instructions on that page, and it is nice. Good luck! >> >> -Kohan >> >> >> >>> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:56:01 +0100 >>> From: harry101jeff...@googlemail.com >>> To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com >>> Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Source control solution? >>> >>> Cheers, thought I would have seen it in the Wiki before. >>> >>> >>> 2009/8/24 Kohan Venets : >>> > >>> > http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Using_Subversion_for_Source_Control_with_the_Source_SDK >>> > >>> > :) >>> > >>> > -Kohan >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:32:58 +0100 >>> >> From: harry101jeff...@googlemail.com >>> >> To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com >>> >> Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Source control solution? >>> >> >>> >> Agreed. I think the Wiki should have a tutorial for setting up source >>> >> control with tortoise svn and prehaps xp-dev.com as an example host. >>> >> >>> >> I'm still trying to figure it all out. SVN really isn't something I'm >>> >> used to. >>> >> >>> >> At the moment I'm thinking of having it like this: >>> >> >>> >> root >>> >> root->trunk >>> >> root->branches >>> >> root->branches->sdk >>> >> root->branches->mod >>> >> root->branches->mod->trunk >>> >> root->branches->mod->branches >>> >> >>> >> When there is an SDK update I put it into the sdk branch and merge it >>> >> into the main trunk. From there I merge the sdk update into the mod's >>> >> trunk and into it's branches. >>> >> >>> >> Problem is I'm at a bit of a loss as to if this is how I should do it >>> >> and how to set it all up. >>> >> >>> >> 2009/8/24 Jorge Rodriguez : >>> >> > For the love of God don't use SourceSafe. It's an abomination that >>> >> > will be >>> >> > sent to the hell fires on judgment day. CVS isn't quite that bad but >>> >> > it's a >>> >> > real pain to use anyway. Subversion, Perforce, and git are pretty >>> >> > much your >>> >> > choices. >>> >> > >>> >> > -- >>> >> > Jorge "Vino" Rodriguez >>> >> > ___ >>> >> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>> >> > archives, please visit: >>> >> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> ___ >>> >&
Re: [hlcoders] Source control solution?
With SVN, the tags/branches/trunk thing is purely an organizational practice. You don't have to set it up that way if it makes sense some other way to you. Generally it's done to keep the experimental branches and stable tags out of the fray of the main trunk, but hey if you've got a better idea for all means go for it. I played with distributed a bit, and I was honestly more impressed with Mercurial than Git. Both are still wet behind the ears, but it seemed like Mercurial was further along and was better fleshed out. Git has the star power of Linus, but c'mon guys he's just a guy, not superman. In particular I was thoroughly unimpressed with Git's wonky Windows support. Yes I know there's some fancy packaging done up with MSYS (I'm a big user of the MinGW compiler) but it seems like a hack and just isn't as polished as Mercurial. Mercurial is written in Python so the cross-platform support is there and there seems to be better import/export support for moving to/from other version control systems. Neither have third-party GUIs that are particularly stable or compelling. It's an interesting field out there. :) --Bob On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Kohan Venets wrote: > > Yeah, some things are a little arcane that way, it's all good. I use the > instructions on that page, and it is nice. Good luck! > > -Kohan > > > >> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:56:01 +0100 >> From: harry101jeff...@googlemail.com >> To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com >> Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Source control solution? >> >> Cheers, thought I would have seen it in the Wiki before. >> >> >> 2009/8/24 Kohan Venets : >> > >> > http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Using_Subversion_for_Source_Control_with_the_Source_SDK >> > >> > :) >> > >> > -Kohan >> > >> > >> > >> >> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:32:58 +0100 >> >> From: harry101jeff...@googlemail.com >> >> To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com >> >> Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Source control solution? >> >> >> >> Agreed. I think the Wiki should have a tutorial for setting up source >> >> control with tortoise svn and prehaps xp-dev.com as an example host. >> >> >> >> I'm still trying to figure it all out. SVN really isn't something I'm >> >> used to. >> >> >> >> At the moment I'm thinking of having it like this: >> >> >> >> root >> >> root->trunk >> >> root->branches >> >> root->branches->sdk >> >> root->branches->mod >> >> root->branches->mod->trunk >> >> root->branches->mod->branches >> >> >> >> When there is an SDK update I put it into the sdk branch and merge it >> >> into the main trunk. From there I merge the sdk update into the mod's >> >> trunk and into it's branches. >> >> >> >> Problem is I'm at a bit of a loss as to if this is how I should do it >> >> and how to set it all up. >> >> >> >> 2009/8/24 Jorge Rodriguez : >> >> > For the love of God don't use SourceSafe. It's an abomination that will >> >> > be >> >> > sent to the hell fires on judgment day. CVS isn't quite that bad but >> >> > it's a >> >> > real pain to use anyway. Subversion, Perforce, and git are pretty much >> >> > your >> >> > choices. >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > Jorge "Vino" Rodriguez >> >> > ___ >> >> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> >> > please visit: >> >> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> >> please visit: >> >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >> >> >> > >> > _ >> > Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. >> > http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 >> > ___ >> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> > please visit: >> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >> > >> > >> >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >> > > _ > Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. > http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Source control solution?
Yeah, some things are a little arcane that way, it's all good. I use the instructions on that page, and it is nice. Good luck! -Kohan > Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:56:01 +0100 > From: harry101jeff...@googlemail.com > To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Source control solution? > > Cheers, thought I would have seen it in the Wiki before. > > > 2009/8/24 Kohan Venets : > > > > http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Using_Subversion_for_Source_Control_with_the_Source_SDK > > > > :) > > > > -Kohan > > > > > > > >> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:32:58 +0100 > >> From: harry101jeff...@googlemail.com > >> To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com > >> Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Source control solution? > >> > >> Agreed. I think the Wiki should have a tutorial for setting up source > >> control with tortoise svn and prehaps xp-dev.com as an example host. > >> > >> I'm still trying to figure it all out. SVN really isn't something I'm used > >> to. > >> > >> At the moment I'm thinking of having it like this: > >> > >> root > >> root->trunk > >> root->branches > >> root->branches->sdk > >> root->branches->mod > >> root->branches->mod->trunk > >> root->branches->mod->branches > >> > >> When there is an SDK update I put it into the sdk branch and merge it > >> into the main trunk. From there I merge the sdk update into the mod's > >> trunk and into it's branches. > >> > >> Problem is I'm at a bit of a loss as to if this is how I should do it > >> and how to set it all up. > >> > >> 2009/8/24 Jorge Rodriguez : > >> > For the love of God don't use SourceSafe. It's an abomination that will > >> > be > >> > sent to the hell fires on judgment day. CVS isn't quite that bad but > >> > it's a > >> > real pain to use anyway. Subversion, Perforce, and git are pretty much > >> > your > >> > choices. > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Jorge "Vino" Rodriguez > >> > ___ > >> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >> > please visit: > >> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > >> > > >> > > >> > >> ___ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >> please visit: > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > >> > > > > _ > > Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. > > http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > _ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Source control solution?
Im using Ankhsvn for visual studio (http://ankhsvn.open.collab.net/). But the sad part with it, that it does not integrate with tortoisesvn. But it does the job that I need. But im also using TortoiseSVN, just in case. Everybody has a different taste, but SVN is the way to go for me. Might be a pain to install server on a linuxmachine, but it's worth the effort. // Tommi 'MindBlaster' Bordi ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Source control solution?
Cheers, thought I would have seen it in the Wiki before. 2009/8/24 Kohan Venets : > > http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Using_Subversion_for_Source_Control_with_the_Source_SDK > > :) > > -Kohan > > > >> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:32:58 +0100 >> From: harry101jeff...@googlemail.com >> To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com >> Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Source control solution? >> >> Agreed. I think the Wiki should have a tutorial for setting up source >> control with tortoise svn and prehaps xp-dev.com as an example host. >> >> I'm still trying to figure it all out. SVN really isn't something I'm used >> to. >> >> At the moment I'm thinking of having it like this: >> >> root >> root->trunk >> root->branches >> root->branches->sdk >> root->branches->mod >> root->branches->mod->trunk >> root->branches->mod->branches >> >> When there is an SDK update I put it into the sdk branch and merge it >> into the main trunk. From there I merge the sdk update into the mod's >> trunk and into it's branches. >> >> Problem is I'm at a bit of a loss as to if this is how I should do it >> and how to set it all up. >> >> 2009/8/24 Jorge Rodriguez : >> > For the love of God don't use SourceSafe. It's an abomination that will be >> > sent to the hell fires on judgment day. CVS isn't quite that bad but it's a >> > real pain to use anyway. Subversion, Perforce, and git are pretty much your >> > choices. >> > >> > -- >> > Jorge "Vino" Rodriguez >> > ___ >> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> > please visit: >> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >> > >> > >> >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >> > > _ > Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. > http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Source control solution?
http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Using_Subversion_for_Source_Control_with_the_Source_SDK :) -Kohan > Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:32:58 +0100 > From: harry101jeff...@googlemail.com > To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Source control solution? > > Agreed. I think the Wiki should have a tutorial for setting up source > control with tortoise svn and prehaps xp-dev.com as an example host. > > I'm still trying to figure it all out. SVN really isn't something I'm used to. > > At the moment I'm thinking of having it like this: > > root > root->trunk > root->branches > root->branches->sdk > root->branches->mod > root->branches->mod->trunk > root->branches->mod->branches > > When there is an SDK update I put it into the sdk branch and merge it > into the main trunk. From there I merge the sdk update into the mod's > trunk and into it's branches. > > Problem is I'm at a bit of a loss as to if this is how I should do it > and how to set it all up. > > 2009/8/24 Jorge Rodriguez : > > For the love of God don't use SourceSafe. It's an abomination that will be > > sent to the hell fires on judgment day. CVS isn't quite that bad but it's a > > real pain to use anyway. Subversion, Perforce, and git are pretty much your > > choices. > > > > -- > > Jorge "Vino" Rodriguez > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > _ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Source control solution?
Agreed. I think the Wiki should have a tutorial for setting up source control with tortoise svn and prehaps xp-dev.com as an example host. I'm still trying to figure it all out. SVN really isn't something I'm used to. At the moment I'm thinking of having it like this: root root->trunk root->branches root->branches->sdk root->branches->mod root->branches->mod->trunk root->branches->mod->branches When there is an SDK update I put it into the sdk branch and merge it into the main trunk. From there I merge the sdk update into the mod's trunk and into it's branches. Problem is I'm at a bit of a loss as to if this is how I should do it and how to set it all up. 2009/8/24 Jorge Rodriguez : > For the love of God don't use SourceSafe. It's an abomination that will be > sent to the hell fires on judgment day. CVS isn't quite that bad but it's a > real pain to use anyway. Subversion, Perforce, and git are pretty much your > choices. > > -- > Jorge "Vino" Rodriguez > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Source control solution?
For the love of God don't use SourceSafe. It's an abomination that will be sent to the hell fires on judgment day. CVS isn't quite that bad but it's a real pain to use anyway. Subversion, Perforce, and git are pretty much your choices. -- Jorge "Vino" Rodriguez ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Source control solution?
Ah, yes. Of course. :-) botman wrote: > On 8/24/2009 9:23 AM, Tom Edwards wrote: > >> Nobody has any love for Perforce? > Perforce is awesome (if you only want to use 2 clients or have enough > money to pay for more than 2 clients). > > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
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On 8/24/2009 9:23 AM, Tom Edwards wrote: > Nobody has any love for Perforce? > Perforce is awesome (if you only want to use 2 clients or have enough money to pay for more than 2 clients). -- Jeffrey "botman" Broome ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Source control solution?
VALVe does Thanks, - Saul. On 24 Aug 2009, at 15:23, Tom Edwards wrote: > Nobody has any love for Perforce? > > Adam "amckern" McKern wrote: >> Subversion is very simple once you get use to a front end - >> tortoise svn is one of the better ones - many large developers use >> svn as the internal source control system on the LAN - if your >> using SS at work, branch out to SVN at home :) >> >> You can check out one file at a time, you just need to select it, >> and apply lock - remove lock when your done >> >> Adam >> >> If you open an account at the planet, you get svn, and cvs, and a >> few other tools in the yearly account fee. >> >> >> Owner Nigredo Studios http://www.nigredostudios.com >> >> --- On Mon, 24/8/09, Olly wrote: >> >> From: Olly >> Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Source control solution? >> To: "Discussion of Half-Life Programming" > > >> Received: Monday, 24 August, 2009, 9:38 PM >> >> They are harder to understand if you are coming from a simple >> filesystem one like ss >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 24 Aug 2009, at 12:24, joshua simmons >> wrote: >> >> >>> I don't think the distributed systems are any harder to >>> conceptualise, >>> at least not with a decent explanation. And they are infinitely >>> better. >>> >>> http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/ >>> http://git-scm.org/ >>> >>> And some other references for git. >>> http://progit.org/book/ >>> http://github.com/guides/home >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 9:03 PM, Bob Somers >>> wrote: >>> >>>> For the love of god do not use CVS. If you're going to go with >>>> centralized version control (which is conceptually easier to grok) >>>> then stick with SVN. There's a free book on the web if you're >>>> having >>>> problems learning how to use it. With TortoiseSVN, I've found it >>>> very >>>> easy to work with once you have the basic concepts down. >>>> >>>> http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ >>>> >>>> There's also the distributed version control systems like Git and >>>> Mercurial, but those are going to more conceptually complicated to >>>> understand at first. I'd stay stick with Subversion. Reading >>>> through >>>> the book will help you get comfortable with it. >>>> >>>> --Bob >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 3:12 AM, Olly wrote: >>>> >>>>> SourceSafe is a bit different to SVN, but SVN is alot like CVS (as >>>>> well as >>>>> most new version control systems). You should try to get some more >>>>> knowledge >>>>> of SVN because its probably the best solution (and sounds like you >>>>> are using >>>>> it wrong). >>>>> But SourceSafe is horrible, I used to use it at work, and it got >>>>> corrupt so >>>>> many times. >>>>> >>>>> 2009/8/24 DAV >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> I am looking for a free source control solution. >>>>>> I am very used to MS Source Safe (use it at work). >>>>>> >>>>>> Recently I tried SVN in xp-dev.com but didn't like it. Mainly >>>>>> because of >>>>>> not >>>>>> being possible to checkout a single file from svn using tortoise >>>>>> and it is >>>>>> very confusing (at least for me). >>>>>> >>>>>> How about CSV? >>>>>> Anyone knows of a free CSV server? >>>>>> >>>>>> I could also use a source control server that doesn't require a >>>>>> 'install' >>>>>> since the server a rent doesn't allow me to install software. >>>>>> But if the install process is just to copy some files to it then >>>>>> it is ok. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ideias, sugestions? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Davide (DAV) >>>>>> Email: d...@davlevels.com >>>>>> Azure Sheep: http://mods.davlevels.com/azuresheep/ >>>>>> Point of View: http:/
Re: [hlcoders] Source control solution?
Nobody has any love for Perforce? Adam "amckern" McKern wrote: > Subversion is very simple once you get use to a front end - tortoise svn is > one of the better ones - many large developers use svn as the internal source > control system on the LAN - if your using SS at work, branch out to SVN at > home :) > > You can check out one file at a time, you just need to select it, and apply > lock - remove lock when your done > > Adam > > If you open an account at the planet, you get svn, and cvs, and a few other > tools in the yearly account fee. > > > Owner Nigredo Studios http://www.nigredostudios.com > > --- On Mon, 24/8/09, Olly wrote: > > From: Olly > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Source control solution? > To: "Discussion of Half-Life Programming" > Received: Monday, 24 August, 2009, 9:38 PM > > They are harder to understand if you are coming from a simple > filesystem one like ss > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 24 Aug 2009, at 12:24, joshua simmons wrote: > > >> I don't think the distributed systems are any harder to conceptualise, >> at least not with a decent explanation. And they are infinitely >> better. >> >> http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/ >> http://git-scm.org/ >> >> And some other references for git. >> http://progit.org/book/ >> http://github.com/guides/home >> >> On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 9:03 PM, Bob Somers >> wrote: >> >>> For the love of god do not use CVS. If you're going to go with >>> centralized version control (which is conceptually easier to grok) >>> then stick with SVN. There's a free book on the web if you're having >>> problems learning how to use it. With TortoiseSVN, I've found it very >>> easy to work with once you have the basic concepts down. >>> >>> http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ >>> >>> There's also the distributed version control systems like Git and >>> Mercurial, but those are going to more conceptually complicated to >>> understand at first. I'd stay stick with Subversion. Reading through >>> the book will help you get comfortable with it. >>> >>> --Bob >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 3:12 AM, Olly wrote: >>> >>>> SourceSafe is a bit different to SVN, but SVN is alot like CVS (as >>>> well as >>>> most new version control systems). You should try to get some more >>>> knowledge >>>> of SVN because its probably the best solution (and sounds like you >>>> are using >>>> it wrong). >>>> But SourceSafe is horrible, I used to use it at work, and it got >>>> corrupt so >>>> many times. >>>> >>>> 2009/8/24 DAV >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I am looking for a free source control solution. >>>>> I am very used to MS Source Safe (use it at work). >>>>> >>>>> Recently I tried SVN in xp-dev.com but didn't like it. Mainly >>>>> because of >>>>> not >>>>> being possible to checkout a single file from svn using tortoise >>>>> and it is >>>>> very confusing (at least for me). >>>>> >>>>> How about CSV? >>>>> Anyone knows of a free CSV server? >>>>> >>>>> I could also use a source control server that doesn't require a >>>>> 'install' >>>>> since the server a rent doesn't allow me to install software. >>>>> But if the install process is just to copy some files to it then >>>>> it is ok. >>>>> >>>>> Ideias, sugestions? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Davide (DAV) >>>>> Email: d...@davlevels.com >>>>> Azure Sheep: http://mods.davlevels.com/azuresheep/ >>>>> Point of View: http://mods.davlevels.com/pointofview/ >>>>> DAV Levels: http://www.davlevels.com/ >>>>> ___ >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>> archives, >>>>> please visit: >>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> Sent from Olly's SEGA Game Gear >>>>
Re: [hlcoders] Source control solution?
Subversion is very simple once you get use to a front end - tortoise svn is one of the better ones - many large developers use svn as the internal source control system on the LAN - if your using SS at work, branch out to SVN at home :) You can check out one file at a time, you just need to select it, and apply lock - remove lock when your done Adam If you open an account at the planet, you get svn, and cvs, and a few other tools in the yearly account fee. Owner Nigredo Studios http://www.nigredostudios.com --- On Mon, 24/8/09, Olly wrote: From: Olly Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Source control solution? To: "Discussion of Half-Life Programming" Received: Monday, 24 August, 2009, 9:38 PM They are harder to understand if you are coming from a simple filesystem one like ss Sent from my iPhone On 24 Aug 2009, at 12:24, joshua simmons wrote: > I don't think the distributed systems are any harder to conceptualise, > at least not with a decent explanation. And they are infinitely > better. > > http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/ > http://git-scm.org/ > > And some other references for git. > http://progit.org/book/ > http://github.com/guides/home > > On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 9:03 PM, Bob Somers > wrote: >> For the love of god do not use CVS. If you're going to go with >> centralized version control (which is conceptually easier to grok) >> then stick with SVN. There's a free book on the web if you're having >> problems learning how to use it. With TortoiseSVN, I've found it very >> easy to work with once you have the basic concepts down. >> >> http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ >> >> There's also the distributed version control systems like Git and >> Mercurial, but those are going to more conceptually complicated to >> understand at first. I'd stay stick with Subversion. Reading through >> the book will help you get comfortable with it. >> >> --Bob >> >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 3:12 AM, Olly wrote: >>> SourceSafe is a bit different to SVN, but SVN is alot like CVS (as >>> well as >>> most new version control systems). You should try to get some more >>> knowledge >>> of SVN because its probably the best solution (and sounds like you >>> are using >>> it wrong). >>> But SourceSafe is horrible, I used to use it at work, and it got >>> corrupt so >>> many times. >>> >>> 2009/8/24 DAV >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I am looking for a free source control solution. >>>> I am very used to MS Source Safe (use it at work). >>>> >>>> Recently I tried SVN in xp-dev.com but didn't like it. Mainly >>>> because of >>>> not >>>> being possible to checkout a single file from svn using tortoise >>>> and it is >>>> very confusing (at least for me). >>>> >>>> How about CSV? >>>> Anyone knows of a free CSV server? >>>> >>>> I could also use a source control server that doesn't require a >>>> 'install' >>>> since the server a rent doesn't allow me to install software. >>>> But if the install process is just to copy some files to it then >>>> it is ok. >>>> >>>> Ideias, sugestions? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Davide (DAV) >>>> Email: d...@davlevels.com >>>> Azure Sheep: http://mods.davlevels.com/azuresheep/ >>>> Point of View: http://mods.davlevels.com/pointofview/ >>>> DAV Levels: http://www.davlevels.com/ >>>> ___ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>> archives, >>>> please visit: >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sent from Olly's SEGA Game Gear >>> ___ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>> archives, please visit: >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >>> >>> >> >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> archives, please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >> >> > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders __ Find local businesses and services in your area with Yahoo!7 Local. Get started: http://local.yahoo.com.au ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Source control solution?
Any links to said VS Plugins? > I used CVS for 8 years and my last job and it was hellish. We use SVN > for our mod and I would never consider going back to CVS. > > There are also some very nice SVN plug-ins for Visual Studio which > make it even easier to work with as well as the excellent TortoiseSVN. > > - Jed > > 2009/8/24 Bob Somers : > >> For the love of god do not use CVS. If you're going to go with >> centralized version control (which is conceptually easier to grok) >> then stick with SVN. There's a free book on the web if you're having >> problems learning how to use it. With TortoiseSVN, I've found it very >> easy to work with once you have the basic concepts down. >> >> http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ >> >> There's also the distributed version control systems like Git and >> Mercurial, but those are going to more conceptually complicated to >> understand at first. I'd stay stick with Subversion. Reading through >> the book will help you get comfortable with it. >> >> --Bob >> >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 3:12 AM, Olly wrote: >> >>> SourceSafe is a bit different to SVN, but SVN is alot like CVS (as well as >>> most new version control systems). You should try to get some more knowledge >>> of SVN because its probably the best solution (and sounds like you are using >>> it wrong). >>> But SourceSafe is horrible, I used to use it at work, and it got corrupt so >>> many times. >>> >>> 2009/8/24 DAV >>> >>> Hi, I am looking for a free source control solution. I am very used to MS Source Safe (use it at work). Recently I tried SVN in xp-dev.com but didn't like it. Mainly because of not being possible to checkout a single file from svn using tortoise and it is very confusing (at least for me). How about CSV? Anyone knows of a free CSV server? I could also use a source control server that doesn't require a 'install' since the server a rent doesn't allow me to install software. But if the install process is just to copy some files to it then it is ok. Ideias, sugestions? Thanks, Davide (DAV) Email: d...@davlevels.com Azure Sheep: http://mods.davlevels.com/azuresheep/ Point of View: http://mods.davlevels.com/pointofview/ DAV Levels: http://www.davlevels.com/ ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >>> -- >>> Sent from Olly's SEGA Game Gear >>> ___ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >>> >>> >>> >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >> >> >> > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Source control solution?
They are harder to understand if you are coming from a simple filesystem one like ss Sent from my iPhone On 24 Aug 2009, at 12:24, joshua simmons wrote: > I don't think the distributed systems are any harder to conceptualise, > at least not with a decent explanation. And they are infinitely > better. > > http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/ > http://git-scm.org/ > > And some other references for git. > http://progit.org/book/ > http://github.com/guides/home > > On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 9:03 PM, Bob Somers > wrote: >> For the love of god do not use CVS. If you're going to go with >> centralized version control (which is conceptually easier to grok) >> then stick with SVN. There's a free book on the web if you're having >> problems learning how to use it. With TortoiseSVN, I've found it very >> easy to work with once you have the basic concepts down. >> >> http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ >> >> There's also the distributed version control systems like Git and >> Mercurial, but those are going to more conceptually complicated to >> understand at first. I'd stay stick with Subversion. Reading through >> the book will help you get comfortable with it. >> >> --Bob >> >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 3:12 AM, Olly wrote: >>> SourceSafe is a bit different to SVN, but SVN is alot like CVS (as >>> well as >>> most new version control systems). You should try to get some more >>> knowledge >>> of SVN because its probably the best solution (and sounds like you >>> are using >>> it wrong). >>> But SourceSafe is horrible, I used to use it at work, and it got >>> corrupt so >>> many times. >>> >>> 2009/8/24 DAV >>> Hi, I am looking for a free source control solution. I am very used to MS Source Safe (use it at work). Recently I tried SVN in xp-dev.com but didn't like it. Mainly because of not being possible to checkout a single file from svn using tortoise and it is very confusing (at least for me). How about CSV? Anyone knows of a free CSV server? I could also use a source control server that doesn't require a 'install' since the server a rent doesn't allow me to install software. But if the install process is just to copy some files to it then it is ok. Ideias, sugestions? Thanks, Davide (DAV) Email: d...@davlevels.com Azure Sheep: http://mods.davlevels.com/azuresheep/ Point of View: http://mods.davlevels.com/pointofview/ DAV Levels: http://www.davlevels.com/ ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sent from Olly's SEGA Game Gear >>> ___ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>> archives, please visit: >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >>> >>> >> >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> archives, please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >> >> > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Source control solution?
I don't think the distributed systems are any harder to conceptualise, at least not with a decent explanation. And they are infinitely better. http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/ http://git-scm.org/ And some other references for git. http://progit.org/book/ http://github.com/guides/home On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 9:03 PM, Bob Somers wrote: > For the love of god do not use CVS. If you're going to go with > centralized version control (which is conceptually easier to grok) > then stick with SVN. There's a free book on the web if you're having > problems learning how to use it. With TortoiseSVN, I've found it very > easy to work with once you have the basic concepts down. > > http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ > > There's also the distributed version control systems like Git and > Mercurial, but those are going to more conceptually complicated to > understand at first. I'd stay stick with Subversion. Reading through > the book will help you get comfortable with it. > > --Bob > > > > On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 3:12 AM, Olly wrote: >> SourceSafe is a bit different to SVN, but SVN is alot like CVS (as well as >> most new version control systems). You should try to get some more knowledge >> of SVN because its probably the best solution (and sounds like you are using >> it wrong). >> But SourceSafe is horrible, I used to use it at work, and it got corrupt so >> many times. >> >> 2009/8/24 DAV >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I am looking for a free source control solution. >>> I am very used to MS Source Safe (use it at work). >>> >>> Recently I tried SVN in xp-dev.com but didn't like it. Mainly because of >>> not >>> being possible to checkout a single file from svn using tortoise and it is >>> very confusing (at least for me). >>> >>> How about CSV? >>> Anyone knows of a free CSV server? >>> >>> I could also use a source control server that doesn't require a 'install' >>> since the server a rent doesn't allow me to install software. >>> But if the install process is just to copy some files to it then it is ok. >>> >>> Ideias, sugestions? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Davide (DAV) >>> Email: d...@davlevels.com >>> Azure Sheep: http://mods.davlevels.com/azuresheep/ >>> Point of View: http://mods.davlevels.com/pointofview/ >>> DAV Levels: http://www.davlevels.com/ >>> ___ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Sent from Olly's SEGA Game Gear >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >> >> > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Source control solution?
I would recommend git On 8/24/09, Olly wrote: > SourceSafe is a bit different to SVN, but SVN is alot like CVS (as well as > most new version control systems). You should try to get some more > knowledge > of SVN because its probably the best solution (and sounds like you are > using > it wrong). > But SourceSafe is horrible, I used to use it at work, and it got corrupt so > many times. > > 2009/8/24 DAV > >> Hi, >> >> I am looking for a free source control solution. >> I am very used to MS Source Safe (use it at work). >> >> Recently I tried SVN in xp-dev.com but didn't like it. Mainly because of >> not >> being possible to checkout a single file from svn using tortoise and it >> is >> very confusing (at least for me). >> >> How about CSV? >> Anyone knows of a free CSV server? >> >> I could also use a source control server that doesn't require a 'install' >> since the server a rent doesn't allow me to install software. >> But if the install process is just to copy some files to it then it is >> ok. >> >> Ideias, sugestions? >> >> Thanks, >> Davide (DAV) >> Email: d...@davlevels.com >> Azure Sheep: http://mods.davlevels.com/azuresheep/ >> Point of View: http://mods.davlevels.com/pointofview/ >> DAV Levels: http://www.davlevels.com/ >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >> >> > > > -- > Sent from Olly's SEGA Game Gear > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > -- Sent from my mobile device ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Source control solution?
I used CVS for 8 years and my last job and it was hellish. We use SVN for our mod and I would never consider going back to CVS. There are also some very nice SVN plug-ins for Visual Studio which make it even easier to work with as well as the excellent TortoiseSVN. - Jed 2009/8/24 Bob Somers : > For the love of god do not use CVS. If you're going to go with > centralized version control (which is conceptually easier to grok) > then stick with SVN. There's a free book on the web if you're having > problems learning how to use it. With TortoiseSVN, I've found it very > easy to work with once you have the basic concepts down. > > http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ > > There's also the distributed version control systems like Git and > Mercurial, but those are going to more conceptually complicated to > understand at first. I'd stay stick with Subversion. Reading through > the book will help you get comfortable with it. > > --Bob > > > > On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 3:12 AM, Olly wrote: >> SourceSafe is a bit different to SVN, but SVN is alot like CVS (as well as >> most new version control systems). You should try to get some more knowledge >> of SVN because its probably the best solution (and sounds like you are using >> it wrong). >> But SourceSafe is horrible, I used to use it at work, and it got corrupt so >> many times. >> >> 2009/8/24 DAV >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I am looking for a free source control solution. >>> I am very used to MS Source Safe (use it at work). >>> >>> Recently I tried SVN in xp-dev.com but didn't like it. Mainly because of >>> not >>> being possible to checkout a single file from svn using tortoise and it is >>> very confusing (at least for me). >>> >>> How about CSV? >>> Anyone knows of a free CSV server? >>> >>> I could also use a source control server that doesn't require a 'install' >>> since the server a rent doesn't allow me to install software. >>> But if the install process is just to copy some files to it then it is ok. >>> >>> Ideias, sugestions? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Davide (DAV) >>> Email: d...@davlevels.com >>> Azure Sheep: http://mods.davlevels.com/azuresheep/ >>> Point of View: http://mods.davlevels.com/pointofview/ >>> DAV Levels: http://www.davlevels.com/ >>> ___ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Sent from Olly's SEGA Game Gear >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >> >> > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Source control solution?
For the love of god do not use CVS. If you're going to go with centralized version control (which is conceptually easier to grok) then stick with SVN. There's a free book on the web if you're having problems learning how to use it. With TortoiseSVN, I've found it very easy to work with once you have the basic concepts down. http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ There's also the distributed version control systems like Git and Mercurial, but those are going to more conceptually complicated to understand at first. I'd stay stick with Subversion. Reading through the book will help you get comfortable with it. --Bob On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 3:12 AM, Olly wrote: > SourceSafe is a bit different to SVN, but SVN is alot like CVS (as well as > most new version control systems). You should try to get some more knowledge > of SVN because its probably the best solution (and sounds like you are using > it wrong). > But SourceSafe is horrible, I used to use it at work, and it got corrupt so > many times. > > 2009/8/24 DAV > >> Hi, >> >> I am looking for a free source control solution. >> I am very used to MS Source Safe (use it at work). >> >> Recently I tried SVN in xp-dev.com but didn't like it. Mainly because of >> not >> being possible to checkout a single file from svn using tortoise and it is >> very confusing (at least for me). >> >> How about CSV? >> Anyone knows of a free CSV server? >> >> I could also use a source control server that doesn't require a 'install' >> since the server a rent doesn't allow me to install software. >> But if the install process is just to copy some files to it then it is ok. >> >> Ideias, sugestions? >> >> Thanks, >> Davide (DAV) >> Email: d...@davlevels.com >> Azure Sheep: http://mods.davlevels.com/azuresheep/ >> Point of View: http://mods.davlevels.com/pointofview/ >> DAV Levels: http://www.davlevels.com/ >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >> >> > > > -- > Sent from Olly's SEGA Game Gear > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Source control solution?
SourceSafe is a bit different to SVN, but SVN is alot like CVS (as well as most new version control systems). You should try to get some more knowledge of SVN because its probably the best solution (and sounds like you are using it wrong). But SourceSafe is horrible, I used to use it at work, and it got corrupt so many times. 2009/8/24 DAV > Hi, > > I am looking for a free source control solution. > I am very used to MS Source Safe (use it at work). > > Recently I tried SVN in xp-dev.com but didn't like it. Mainly because of > not > being possible to checkout a single file from svn using tortoise and it is > very confusing (at least for me). > > How about CSV? > Anyone knows of a free CSV server? > > I could also use a source control server that doesn't require a 'install' > since the server a rent doesn't allow me to install software. > But if the install process is just to copy some files to it then it is ok. > > Ideias, sugestions? > > Thanks, > Davide (DAV) > Email: d...@davlevels.com > Azure Sheep: http://mods.davlevels.com/azuresheep/ > Point of View: http://mods.davlevels.com/pointofview/ > DAV Levels: http://www.davlevels.com/ > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > -- Sent from Olly's SEGA Game Gear ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
[hlcoders] Source control solution?
Hi, I am looking for a free source control solution. I am very used to MS Source Safe (use it at work). Recently I tried SVN in xp-dev.com but didn't like it. Mainly because of not being possible to checkout a single file from svn using tortoise and it is very confusing (at least for me). How about CSV? Anyone knows of a free CSV server? I could also use a source control server that doesn't require a 'install' since the server a rent doesn't allow me to install software. But if the install process is just to copy some files to it then it is ok. Ideias, sugestions? Thanks, Davide (DAV) Email: d...@davlevels.com Azure Sheep: http://mods.davlevels.com/azuresheep/ Point of View: http://mods.davlevels.com/pointofview/ DAV Levels: http://www.davlevels.com/ ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
