RE: [Hornlist] Messiah
Hmmm, I recall playing the Mozart adaptation as a student (admittedly a LNG time ago) and enjoying the challenge of the many different transpositions. (Maybe memory is playing tricks??) Kjellrun Search in State Libraries, inquire at the Mozarteum, the International Mozart Society, even I cannot help you out: THERE ARE NO HORN PARTS, not in the original, nor in Mozarts adaptation. = -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Kolbo Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 8:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Hornlist] Messiah Can anybody tell me where to find a full score, or even just the horn parts, to Mozart's orchestration of Handel's Messiah? -- Kjellrun K. Hestekin School of Music, MUN St. John's, NFLD. CANADA A1C 5S7 ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Messiah
In a message dated 7/13/2004 4:48:01 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There are no horn parts in the original Messiah, but there ARE horn parts in the Mozart edition. I have played it many times. Cheers, Graeme Evans (Principal Horn, Melbourne Symphony Orchestra) +61 3 9318 0690(H), +61 419 880371(B), +61 3 93180893(Fax) E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Hi Graeme, Although no horn parts exist in the Foundling Hospital edition, there is evidence that during Handel's lifetime there was a performance that MAY have included horn players because in the F.H. account books, there is a list of payments to players that includes two horn players. If used, my guess is that they would have taken over or doubled the trumpet parts in the D mvmts (an octave lower, of course). Regards, Jerry in Kansas City ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Messiah
Message text written by The Horn List (I'm sure Paul can fill out the details and correct the exaggerations) regarding a very famous trumpet player who was brought in to play The Trumpet Shall Sound in an amateur performance of The Messiah. Dear All I am sorry that I jumped the gun and duplicated other people's replies to this thread. However, this story as related seems to me to be correct in every detail except one. It was often told by a very famous horn player and teacher (now deceased) who was there at the time (playing 2nd horn - presumably the good Dr Prout's version) and the culprit was his own teacher who was on 1st horn. There are many stories about this gentleman (Otto Paersch) who seems to have been just about the biggest practical joker in the business. One oft quoted comment about him is so unkind to another well known horn player now amongst the choir invisible that it must go untold on this list. But, there is the advice to a young horn player to wear plus fours for his first gig. And what about this one - told to me by Bob Aspden (now etc. etc) who was a student of Paersch's at the Royal Manchester College of Music in the 1930s. Bob used to have his horn lessons at the ungodly hour of 8.30 in the morning (just try to get a student to agree to this now!) in a practice room exactly one floor up from the office of the Principal of the RMCM at that time - R.J.Forbes - who was known to detest loud brass playing. Bob was half way through a study with Paersch saying over and over again - louder, louder. Paersch finally took Bob's horn from him and proceeded to blast his way through the study in question. As he got to the end, angry footsteps were heard coming up the stairs. Paersch pushed the horn back into Bob's hands just as Forbes entered the room saying please instruct that student not to play so loudly Mr Paersch! Paersch turned to Bob with a look of absolute deadly seriousness on his face and said - Yes Robert, how many times do I have to tell you, don't play so loud all the time! These tales are a bit difficult to believe but we must remember that young people were much less knowing then and far less able or inclined to question authority. Cheers Paul A. Kampen (W.Yorks - UK) ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Messiah
Try to search in Kalmus http://www.kalmus-music.com/ There are some editions including the Mozart one. Parts and Full score available CCC [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mobile.yahoo.com.hk/ ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Messiah
Search in State Libraries, inquire at the Mozarteum, the International Mozart Society, even I cannot help you out: THERE ARE NO HORN PARTS, not in the original, nor in Mozarts adaptation. = -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Kolbo Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 8:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Hornlist] Messiah Can anybody tell me where to find a full score, or even just the horn parts, to Mozart's orchestration of Handel's Messiah? ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Messiah
In a message dated 13/07/2004 21:30:11 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: THERE ARE NO HORN PARTS, not in the original, nor in Mozarts adaptation. In which case Alan Civil did some mighty fine improvising at the proms the other year. (or the BBC got it wrong and it was Colin Mozart's adaptation) - or did Mozart make two adaptations? All the best, Lawrence þaes ofereode - þisses swa maeg http://lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Messiah
There are no horn parts in the original Messiah, but there ARE horn parts in the Mozart edition. I have played it many times. Cheers, Graeme Evans (Principal Horn, Melbourne Symphony Orchestra) +61 3 9318 0690(H), +61 419 880371(B), +61 3 93180893(Fax) E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'The Horn List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 6:29 AM Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Messiah Search in State Libraries, inquire at the Mozarteum, the International Mozart Society, even I cannot help you out: THERE ARE NO HORN PARTS, not in the original, nor in Mozarts adaptation. = -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Kolbo Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 8:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Hornlist] Messiah Can anybody tell me where to find a full score, or even just the horn parts, to Mozart's orchestration of Handel's Messiah? ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/graev%40comcen.com.au ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Messiah
In a message dated 13/07/2004 22:48:04 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There are no horn parts in the original Messiah, but there ARE horn parts in the Mozart edition. I have played it many times. Thank heavens we don't often have to play the version by Prout any more. The Prout edition had parts for every instrument in the orchestra and a few that weren't and probably, for all I know, somewhere in the box, included parts for stylophone and wobble-board with obbligato diggeridoo in the quiet bits. Still, it afforded me beer money in my student days so I suppose I should be thankful for that. All the best, Lawrence þaes ofereode - þisses swa maeg http://lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Messiah
One of the most amusing editions is the one arranged by Sir Eugene Goosens and recorded by Sir Thomas Beeecham. It uses a large modern orchestra. I remember rolling around the floor in laughter when I noticed a cymbal roll in one of the recitatives! In spite of the outrageous (by current standards) orchestration, Beecham's recording IS a classic, and captures the grand spirit of this much loved oratorio. This was what TB was after, I am sure. Cheers, Graeme Evans (Principal Horn, Melbourne Symphony Orchestra) +61 3 9318 0690(H), +61 419 880371(B), +61 3 93180893(Fax) E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 8:05 AM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Messiah In a message dated 13/07/2004 22:48:04 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There are no horn parts in the original Messiah, but there ARE horn parts in the Mozart edition. I have played it many times. Thank heavens we don't often have to play the version by Prout any more. The Prout edition had parts for every instrument in the orchestra and a few that weren't and probably, for all I know, somewhere in the box, included parts for stylophone and wobble-board with obbligato diggeridoo in the quiet bits. Still, it afforded me beer money in my student days so I suppose I should be thankful for that. All the best, Lawrence þaes ofereode - þisses swa maeg http://lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/graev%40comcen.com.au ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Messiah
Kalmus Mark Kolbo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Can anybody tell me where to find a full score, or even just the horn parts, to Mozart's orchestration of Handel's Messiah? ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/chiu_cc1750%40yahoo.com.hk [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mobile.yahoo.com.hk/ ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
