Re: How to find "current tape length" programatically

2008-01-18 Thread gah

Someone wrote:

> I have an obvious question on the 3490E though.
> You say there is a set of tracks "going AND coming".
> Since actual tape length isn't a specification,
> just a minimum is, how would a hardware duplication
> device handle a 3490E?

> In theory it wouldn't be able to, would it?

If one wanted to build a hardware device that could
copy a tape, it would probably be possible to write all
the tracks at once.   As an example, analog cassette tapes
can be duplicated in one pass writing both directions at
the same time.   I don't know the specific encoding for
the 3490E, but most likely it is possible.

Otherwise, one might copy one side from the beginning as
far as it went, skip to the physical EOT, then start writing
the other side from the end.

Even easier might be for the tape duplicator to find tape
stock sufficiently longer than others to guarantee that
it will fit.

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Re: CFW with Syncsort

2008-01-18 Thread Ron Hawkins
John,

I have been told many times that SYNCSORT uses CFW, but I have never
observed any change in the RMFCR counters when I turn CFW on in a controller
with SYNCSORT Sort Work datasets. For DFSORT my experience is there is a
significant increment in the CFW counter, and a very apparent change in
channel program behavior, with what appears to be very long data chaining.

Ron

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> Hi all, hopefully an easy one here.
> 
> Can anyone confirm whether or not Syncsort uses CFW?  I know DF/Sort
> does
> but I'm not sure about Sync.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> JB
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Re: Flash memory arrays

2008-01-18 Thread Ed Gould

On Jan 18, 2008, at 7:48 PM, Tom Moulder wrote:

Fry's in the Dallas/Fort Worth area has a 500GB SATA drive on sale  
this week

for $90.  How low can you go?


Tom,

I saw a 1TB for $300 and heard about the same for under $300 at  
Walmart (unconfirmed).


Ed

ps: They have a Fry's here in the Chicago Suburbs and everybody I  
have talked to says that they will avoid it for anyplace else 
(including me).




Tom Moulder

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On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:44:22 -0600, McKown, John wrote:

I think that they are either SCSI, or Fibre Channel. For a mere  
1.2Tb,

you can use 3 500Gib eSATA drives.


I was at the PC store the other day and they had 1TB SATA drives  
for sale. I


didn't catch the price. I settled for a mere 250G for $70. I  
haven't been

able
to dent the capacity of a 30G drive in three years. Give my son  
iTunes and 6


weeks and 40G are gone.

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Re: I want to add virtual printer to my MFNetDisk, Any value?

2008-01-18 Thread shai hess
HI,


Few questions:

1. In today market, what MVS sites use for printing? TCP printers or MF
local attach printers?

2. I think the printers are not like disks. They can not have complicate
CCWs, So  I think if someone will give me GTFTRACE of
Vary online,offline console command to local printer, and a small
printing CCWs that will give me good start.

3. I am sure that UCS and FCB are open to everyone, because user need to
know how he can control his printing.

4. What is the famous local MVS printer in the market?

5. Still I am not sure if emulate local printer in MF is added value to
sites.

6. Someone mention viruses and worms, The PC with its local printer will not
be open to internet XXX movie, I hope.


Thanks,
Shai


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> -
>
> > The desired character is the CCW command code, with a normal CCW 0
> > format (code/address/flags/length). Many printers also used FCB and
> > UCS load commands, but I couldn't find a decent source for those (and
> > they're device and model dependent). By default a channel 1 skip is
> > top of page eject; channels 9 and 12 were used by some installations
> > at or near the bottom of the page. Usage of channels other than 1 is
> > highly idiosyncratic; the only rule is to have at least one definition
> > for each channel to avoid printer runaway.
>
> 
> You can find SOME UCS and FCB information in the documentation for the
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Re: IEFACTRT exit

2008-01-18 Thread Ed Gould

On Jan 18, 2008, at 4:50 PM, Shane wrote:


On Fri, 2008-01-18 at 16:19 -0500, O'Connor, Ruth wrote:

Any ideas about what could have happened to the initiator to  
affect an

smf exit's WTOs?


Have a look at the subpool for any getmains.




I would take a look at logrec to see if there were any software hits  
somewhere around the time this started happening. You may see some  
abend or something that at least you can do a search in IBMLINK  
(assuming its available).


Ed
 


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Re: DFSORT question MERGE w/SUM FIELDS=NONE

2008-01-18 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:31:21 -0600, Mark Zelden wrote:
>
>> Is
>>there a system determined BLKSIZE on a PATH= DD statement, or is the sort
>>program left to deal with it?
>
>see above
>
For a while, SDB always set BLKSIZE for PATH= to 80.  This was much fixed
as a side effect of an APAR directed to JES, with a warning to the PMR
submitter that the documentation continued to say 80, and if another
customer complained it might be necessary to re-break it.

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Re: Flash memory arrays

2008-01-18 Thread Ron Hawkins
Bill

But 1999 is more than half a decade ago. 

I think you are talking about the 1 inch pixie dust drives. They are made by
Hitachi now. You'll find them in your IPOD, but not in EMC. The last
contract I recall between EMC and IBM for HDD was the 36GB drive, and that
was cancelled due to heat problems. (I am repeating a rumour - happy to be
corrected)

Ron

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> >IBM, EMC and HDS send faulty drives back to Seagate and
> Hitachi for  analysis for their modular products as well. There is no
> difference between  drives used in Enterprise and Modular arrays. IT's
> not a
> hidden service, it's  simply the warranty that the Disk manufacturer
> provides
> (it's been half a  decade since IBM made a disk drive).
> 
> Around mid-1999 EMC signed a multi-$billion contract to buy a HUGE
> number  of
> little disks from IBM over a period of several years.  So IBM was
> making
> disks then.  And I think that contract expired about half a decade
> ago.
> 
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Re: CFW with Syncsort

2008-01-18 Thread Art Celestini
John:

Yes, SyncSort does use CFW.  I wrote the code myself in a previous life,
17 or so years ago.  However, IIRC, there may be circumstances where it is 
turned off due to other performance considerations.  Check with SyncSort's 
Customer Service if you need to know when, if ever these days.

Art


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>Hi all, hopefully an easy one here.
>
>Can anyone confirm whether or not Syncsort uses CFW?  I know DF/Sort does 
>but I'm not sure about Sync.



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Re: How does ATTACH pass address of ECB to child?

2008-01-18 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
The following message is a courtesy copy of an article
that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main,alt.folklore.computers as well.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lindy Mayfield) writes:
> What doesn't is that Cannatello's book has a page and a half on doing
> POST, with one example of how to change the ECB without using the POST
> macro.
>
> He even has the child checking the ECB to see if a WAIT had been issued.

A.6.3.1 Bypass Post Routine
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/DZ9ZR003/A.6.3.1?SHELF=DZ9ZBK03&DT=20040504121320&CASE=

from above:

The following routine allows the SVC "POST" as used in MVS/ESA to be
bypassed whenever the corresponding WAIT has not yet been executed,
provided that the supervisor WAIT and POST routines use COMPARE AND SWAP
to manipulate event control blocks (ECBs).

... snip ...

i.e. charlie had been working on fine grain multiprocessor locking for
cp67 at the science center
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#545tech

when he invented the compare&swap instruction
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#smp

note compare&swap was chosen because CAS are charlie's initials.

trying to get the instruction into the 370 architecture was initially
rebuffed since the pok favorite son operating system claimed that
test&set ... carried forward from 360 multiprocessor days, was all that
was necessary. the statement was made that in order to get compare&swap
into 370 architecture required coming up with uses that weren't
multiprocessor specific. came up with the multitasking/multithreaded
examples ... which were included in the compare&swap programming
examples.

A.6 Multiprogramming and Multiprocessing Examples
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/DZ9ZR003/A.6?SHELF=DZ9ZBK03&DT=20040504121320

more recently the perform locked operation instruction was defined
... and added to the above description.

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Re: Flash memory arrays

2008-01-18 Thread Tom Moulder
Fry's in the Dallas/Fort Worth area has a 500GB SATA drive on sale this week
for $90.  How low can you go?

Tom Moulder

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On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:44:22 -0600, McKown, John wrote:

>I think that they are either SCSI, or Fibre Channel. For a mere 1.2Tb,
>you can use 3 500Gib eSATA drives.

I was at the PC store the other day and they had 1TB SATA drives for sale. I

didn't catch the price. I settled for a mere 250G for $70. I haven't been
able 
to dent the capacity of a 30G drive in three years. Give my son iTunes and 6

weeks and 40G are gone.

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Re: How does ATTACH pass address of ECB to child?

2008-01-18 Thread Edward Jaffe

Rick Fochtman wrote:




Thanks.  That makes sense.

What doesn't is that Cannatello's book has a page and a half on doing
POST, with one example of how to change the ECB without using the POST
macro.

He even has the child checking the ECB to see if a WAIT had been issued.
 


--
Sometimes he tends to include "overkill". He's right, if the tasks 
need to "talk" to each other; in many cases that's not necessary. Most 
often, in my experience, that level of detailed control is inappropriate.


If asynchronous task mode programs need to "talk" to one another, they 
should use a pair of ECBs unrelated to the one specified by the parent 
task on the ATTACH macro -- though the parent task should include the 
ATTACH ECB on its WAIT list.


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Re: LPAR Rename

2008-01-18 Thread Mark Zelden
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 16:25:55 -0800, Skip Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>I'm anxious for more posts on this topic. We don't yet have a z9, but I
>thought that one of the selling points was being able to define 'dummy'
>LPARs in advance, then make them 'real' as needed by 'renaming' and
>assigning memory, CPs, and I/O connections, all without a POR.
>
>Am I missing something in the z9 or in the original question?
>
>.

It's available with a z990 and z/OS 1.6 or above.  But you have to plan.
It involves defining an LPAR with a name of "*" as a placeholder.

See "Defining reserved partitions" in the HCD manual(s).  

No, I haven't done it yet.

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Re: LPAR Rename

2008-01-18 Thread Mark Jacobs
I opened up an ETR with IBM on my question and I received this answer.

You can change the name dynamically. Basically have to change the image
to reserve and then from reserve to the new name. To change the
partition to reserve, you have to disconnect all channel paths and
devices from the partition. See the HCD User's guide for section
Changing partitions in chapter 6.

Once the image is down, deactivate the image and then make the IODF
changes. Once you done the IODF activate with the new partition name,
you'll pickup the new name in the images group for the CPC. You can
now select the image and customize the activation profiles for it
to customize the new image profile. Once you've made the updates
for the iamge, then you can activate it. 

Mark Jacobs 

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I'm anxious for more posts on this topic. We don't yet have a z9, but I
thought that one of the selling points was being able to define 'dummy'
LPARs in advance, then make them 'real' as needed by 'renaming' and
assigning memory, CPs, and I/O connections, all without a POR.

Am I missing something in the z9 or in the original question?

.
.
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We happened to try this last week and found out it was not possible.

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Re: How does ATTACH pass address of ECB to child?

2008-01-18 Thread Ray Overby

Lindy,

The ECB= on the ATTACH is used to notify the ATTACHing program that the 
ATTACH'd program (a subtask) has terminated (normally or abnormally).


If you wish to synchronize the ATTACHing program with the ATTACH'd 
program you would pass an ECB  in the plist for the ATTACH'd program 
using R1. I refer to this ecb as the "sync" ecb. The ATTACHing program 
will issue the ATTACH and then issue a WAIT on the sync ecb. The 
ATTACH'd program will perform inits and then POST the sync ECB when 
inits are complete. For example lets say you are in a loop attaching 
subtasks and the plist passed to each subtask is using the same memory 
area but you have to pass different values in the plist to each subtask. 
Each subtask would have make a copy of the input plist data area prior 
to  - a simple example would be a return buffer) .


It is reasonable for any code that is going to issue a POST to check the 
ECB prior to issuing the POST. I believe PoPs (or POO as some folks call 
it) has a section on bypassing post that would be useful for you to look at.




Ray Overby



Lindy Mayfield wrote:

Thanks.  That makes sense.

What doesn't is that Cannatello's book has a page and a half on doing
POST, with one example of how to change the ECB without using the POST
macro.

He even has the child checking the ECB to see if a WAIT had been issued.

Lindy

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Lindy,
The child doesn't need to know anything about that ECB.  The ECB
specified on the ATTACH macro is used by the system.  When the subtask
completes and returns to the system (via the oldest PRB on the task
queue issuing an SVC 3), the system will post the ECB to notify the
mother task that it is safe to issue the DETACH.  If the child task
POSTS the ECB, and continues to execute, when the mother wakes up and
issues the DETACH you will see x3E abends caused by terminating a TCB
that was still running.

Wayne Driscoll
Product Developer
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I wonder if I am missing something.

Here is what I think:  My main program does an 


ATTACH,EP=CHILD,ECB=ECB1
WAIT ECB=ECB1
DETACH (R1)

The program CHILD does its thing and then when done

POST ECB1

Which IIUC causes the main program to stop waiting. How does CHILD know
the address of ECB1 in order to POST?  Or do I need to pass the address
as a parameter?

Lindy

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Re: How does ATTACH pass address of ECB to child?

2008-01-18 Thread Rick Fochtman




Thanks.  That makes sense.

What doesn't is that Cannatello's book has a page and a half on doing
POST, with one example of how to change the ECB without using the POST
macro.

He even has the child checking the ECB to see if a WAIT had been issued.
 


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to "talk" to each other; in many cases that's not necessary. Most often, 
in my experience, that level of detailed control is inappropriate.


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Re: Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay)

2008-01-18 Thread Ed Finnell
 
In a message dated 1/18/2008 3:58:54 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
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If UA is trying to get rid of IBM-Main then yes, we should help find  
another home for it, and a z platform would be worth looking  at.
Otherwise, let's not rock the boat.


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be reviewed. Hopefully, we'll survive  unscathed. There have been volunteers to 
rehost but so far we've managed  to keep it pieced together since 1986. 
 
Personally I feel it's valuable contribution  to our industry and exemplifies 
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Re: LPAR Rename

2008-01-18 Thread Skip Robinson
I'm anxious for more posts on this topic. We don't yet have a z9, but I
thought that one of the selling points was being able to define 'dummy'
LPARs in advance, then make them 'real' as needed by 'renaming' and
assigning memory, CPs, and I/O connections, all without a POR.

Am I missing something in the z9 or in the original question?

.
.
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> Does anyone know the procedure to rename an LPAR on a z9 without a
POR?
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We happened to try this last week and found out it was not possible.

Kees.

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Re: How does ATTACH pass address of ECB to child?

2008-01-18 Thread Blaicher, Chris
I have not read the book in question, but I will often have task A
attach task B and pass a parameter list via R1 that has a pair of ECB's
in it.  One ECB for the child (task B) to wait on and one ECB for the
parent (task A) to wait on.  Also in the parameter list are some queues
that are used for scheduling work.

Task A puts work on the queue, does a POST to the ECB task B is waiting
on, and goes about doing other things.  At some time it may WAIT on the
ECB task B is going to POST when it has completed the work.

Given the above it makes sense to say that the parent (task A) or the
child (task B) is waiting on an ECB (not on the same one I hope).

The POOP has a couple of pieces of code in the appendix on FAST WAIT and
FAST POST.  If the ECB you are going to wait on is already posted there
is no need to WAIT on it.  Like-wise, if no one has issued a WAIT on an
ECB there is no need to issue a POST, just set the posted bit.  That
saves a few hundred or thousand instructions for each SVC you avoid.

As others have said, the ECB in the ATTACH is only used by the parent to
know when it can DETACH the child TCB.  To not wait on that will lead to
lots of fun.

Chris Blaicher

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Subject: Re: How does ATTACH pass address of ECB to child?

Thanks.  That makes sense.

What doesn't is that Cannatello's book has a page and a half on doing
POST, with one example of how to change the ECB without using the POST
macro.

He even has the child checking the ECB to see if a WAIT had been issued.

Lindy

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Subject: Re: How does ATTACH pass address of ECB to child?

Lindy,
The child doesn't need to know anything about that ECB.  The ECB
specified on the ATTACH macro is used by the system.  When the subtask
completes and returns to the system (via the oldest PRB on the task
queue issuing an SVC 3), the system will post the ECB to notify the
mother task that it is safe to issue the DETACH.  If the child task
POSTS the ECB, and continues to execute, when the mother wakes up and
issues the DETACH you will see x3E abends caused by terminating a TCB
that was still running.

Wayne Driscoll
Product Developer
JME Software LLC
NOTE:  All opinions are strictly my own.



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Subject: How does ATTACH pass address of ECB to child?

I wonder if I am missing something.

Here is what I think:  My main program does an 

ATTACH,EP=CHILD,ECB=ECB1
WAIT ECB=ECB1
DETACH (R1)

The program CHILD does its thing and then when done

POST ECB1

Which IIUC causes the main program to stop waiting. How does CHILD know
the address of ECB1 in order to POST?  Or do I need to pass the address
as a parameter?

Lindy

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Re: New Mainframes coming in February

2008-01-18 Thread Glenn Miller
Mark,

You can use the IBM announcement website with the following URL:

http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/index.wss


Within the "Type of content:" pull down, select the "HW & SW desc (Sales 
manual, RPQ) item.  Then select the "Advanced search" hyperlink.  Then enter 
machine type in the "Product number: " box and click the search button at the 
bottom of the screen.  Make sure you alter the search date ranges near the  
bottom of the screen.

For example, if you enter '9672' in the Product number: " box and use at least 
a 5 year range, From: 01/01/03 to 01/18/08, you will see the "Sales manual" 
information for all the 9672 processors.  The "Sales manual" shows the 
withdraw from marketing and withdraw from service dates for each of the 
model types.

HTH

Glenn Miller

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Re: How does ATTACH pass address of ECB to child?

2008-01-18 Thread Lindy Mayfield
Thanks.  That makes sense.

What doesn't is that Cannatello's book has a page and a half on doing
POST, with one example of how to change the ECB without using the POST
macro.

He even has the child checking the ECB to see if a WAIT had been issued.

Lindy

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Subject: Re: How does ATTACH pass address of ECB to child?

Lindy,
The child doesn't need to know anything about that ECB.  The ECB
specified on the ATTACH macro is used by the system.  When the subtask
completes and returns to the system (via the oldest PRB on the task
queue issuing an SVC 3), the system will post the ECB to notify the
mother task that it is safe to issue the DETACH.  If the child task
POSTS the ECB, and continues to execute, when the mother wakes up and
issues the DETACH you will see x3E abends caused by terminating a TCB
that was still running.

Wayne Driscoll
Product Developer
JME Software LLC
NOTE:  All opinions are strictly my own.



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Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 5:32 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: How does ATTACH pass address of ECB to child?

I wonder if I am missing something.

Here is what I think:  My main program does an 

ATTACH,EP=CHILD,ECB=ECB1
WAIT ECB=ECB1
DETACH (R1)

The program CHILD does its thing and then when done

POST ECB1

Which IIUC causes the main program to stop waiting. How does CHILD know
the address of ECB1 in order to POST?  Or do I need to pass the address
as a parameter?

Lindy

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Re: Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay)

2008-01-18 Thread richgr
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you write:
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>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of tony babonas
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>> Why don't we take up a collection to buy an old CPU, zOS and 
>> all else needed, then host IBM-MAIN, RACF-L, CICS-L, VM-L, 
>> DB2-L etc etc.
>
>I'd think z/VM would be a better choice for a LISTSERVE host..

Especially since Listserv(R) doesn't run on Z/OS (it does run on VM) and
even if it did, Z/OS doesn't run on an IFL.

Farfetched as it may be, if this does come off I will offer my services
as listserv admin (I already run 2 lists).

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Re: How does ATTACH pass address of ECB to child?

2008-01-18 Thread Wayne Driscoll
Lindy,
The child doesn't need to know anything about that ECB.  The ECB
specified on the ATTACH macro is used by the system.  When the subtask
completes and returns to the system (via the oldest PRB on the task
queue issuing an SVC 3), the system will post the ECB to notify the
mother task that it is safe to issue the DETACH.  If the child task
POSTS the ECB, and continues to execute, when the mother wakes up and
issues the DETACH you will see x3E abends caused by terminating a TCB
that was still running.

Wayne Driscoll
Product Developer
JME Software LLC
NOTE:  All opinions are strictly my own.



-Original Message-
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Subject: How does ATTACH pass address of ECB to child?

I wonder if I am missing something.

Here is what I think:  My main program does an 

ATTACH,EP=CHILD,ECB=ECB1
WAIT ECB=ECB1
DETACH (R1)

The program CHILD does its thing and then when done

POST ECB1

Which IIUC causes the main program to stop waiting. How does CHILD know
the address of ECB1 in order to POST?  Or do I need to pass the address
as a parameter?

Lindy

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Re: IEFACTRT exit

2008-01-18 Thread Skip Robinson
Initiators have a historic tendency for storage problems, especially the
longer they run. Fixing your WTO problem by restarting the initiator is a
classic workaround for such problems.

It's possible that you're taking abends you're not seeing because of DAE
dump suppression. As a first pass, look in IPCS at the DAE utility (3.5)
for getmain failures. If nothing shows up, when the problem occurs again,
set a nonspecific PER SLIP trap for a job name that is known or likely to
fail.

Unfortunately, finding a getmain failure does not solve the problem, which
is probably a result of storage fragmentation over time. We had a similar
problem once, and our simple minded plan was to stop and restart initiators
at intervals frequent enough to reduce the effects of fragmentation.
Diagnosis of the root cause will not be simple.


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On Fri, 2008-01-18 at 16:19 -0500, O'Connor, Ruth wrote:

> Any ideas about what could have happened to the initiator to affect an
> smf exit's WTOs?

Have a look at the subpool for any getmains.

Shane ...

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Re: I want to add virtual printer to my MFNetDisk, Any value?

2008-01-18 Thread Rick Fochtman

-

The desired character is the CCW command code, with a normal CCW 0 
format (code/address/flags/length). Many printers also used FCB and 
UCS load commands, but I couldn't find a decent source for those (and 
they're device and model dependent). By default a channel 1 skip is 
top of page eject; channels 9 and 12 were used by some installations 
at or near the bottom of the page. Usage of channels other than 1 is 
highly idiosyncratic; the only rule is to have at least one definition 
for each channel to avoid printer runaway.



You can find SOME UCS and FCB information in the documentation for the 
IEBIMAGE utility.


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How does ATTACH pass address of ECB to child?

2008-01-18 Thread Lindy Mayfield
I wonder if I am missing something.

Here is what I think:  My main program does an 

ATTACH,EP=CHILD,ECB=ECB1
WAIT ECB=ECB1
DETACH (R1)

The program CHILD does its thing and then when done

POST ECB1

Which IIUC causes the main program to stop waiting. How does CHILD know
the address of ECB1 in order to POST?  Or do I need to pass the address
as a parameter?

Lindy

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Re: I want to add virtual printer to my MFNetDisk, Any value?

2008-01-18 Thread Gerhard Postpischil

shai hess wrote:

Can anyone help me to find IBM books which give the data about the CCWs of
the MF attached printers?


I did not find anything on bitsavers.org (there is a 1403 
manual, but it's for the 1401 system). A google.com search 
turned up lots of hits, but nothing relevant. And apparently I 
didn't keep my copies, either.The closest I came was a reference 
card image, which is perfectly legible provided you already know 
what it says:

http://ai-integration.biz/images/IBM360-12.jpg

I tried ibm.com search, but found too many, and inapplicable 
hits. I did find one document that lists the machine control codes:

http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/iseries/v5r4/index.jsp?topic=/rzau6/rzau6machine.htm

The desired character is the CCW command code, with a normal CCW 
0 format (code/address/flags/length). Many printers also used 
FCB and UCS load commands, but I couldn't find a decent source 
for those (and they're device and model dependent). By default a 
channel 1 skip is top of page eject; channels 9 and 12 were used 
by some installations at or near the bottom of the page. Usage 
of channels other than 1 is highly idiosyncratic; the only rule 
is to have at least one definition for each channel to avoid 
printer runaway.




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Bradford, VT

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Re: Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay)

2008-01-18 Thread Rick Fochtman

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We would self-moderate
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Re: IEFACTRT exit

2008-01-18 Thread Shane
On Fri, 2008-01-18 at 16:19 -0500, O'Connor, Ruth wrote:

> Any ideas about what could have happened to the initiator to affect an
> smf exit's WTOs?

Have a look at the subpool for any getmains.

Shane ...

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Re: Flash memory arrays

2008-01-18 Thread Shane
On Fri, 2008-01-18 at 16:09 -0600, Tony Harminc wrote:

> >(I might be able to pick up an old 2105-F20 for the cost of a rental
> >truck. It's currently at 1.2 TB)
> 
> Someone with an MP3000 or the like might be happy to have it.

Or anybody thinking of bidding on an 890 maybe ...

Shane...

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CFW with Syncsort

2008-01-18 Thread John Baker
Hi all, hopefully an easy one here.

Can anyone confirm whether or not Syncsort uses CFW?  I know DF/Sort does 
but I'm not sure about Sync.

Thanks,

JB

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Re: IEFACTRT exit

2008-01-18 Thread McKown, John
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of O'Connor, Ruth
> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 3:20 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: IEFACTRT exit
> 
> 
> Richard, 
> 
> That's a good question. We do use IEFYS to write some messages to
> JESYSMSG but the messages that were missing are WTOs that we send to
> syslog and to JESMSGLG. Until you asked about IEFYS I hadn't noticed
> that the JESYSMSG messages did appear correctly in the affected jobs.
> That means the smf exit was being taken, killing one of my theories.
> 
> Since my first email we have figured out that all the problem jobs
> executed in one JES2 initiator. Stopping and restarting that initiator
> fixed the problem for now. The affected users all happened to be using
> the same jobclass and were getting the same initiator 
> consistently. The
> userid seems to be irrelevant after all. 
> 
> We still don't know why the problem occurred, though. There were no
> obvious errors in the initiator; no syslog message that we 
> could ask the
> automation group to react to in the future; no logrec entries.
> 
> Any ideas about what could have happened to the initiator to affect an
> smf exit's WTOs?
> 
> Thanks very much,
> Ruth 

I don't know, but I saw the following in the WTO description for RC=30:


Meaning: Environmental error. For routing code 11, the
required resource was not available and the request was
ignored. For any other routing code, the request was
processed.


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Re: Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay)

2008-01-18 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>Bama in general, and Darren in particular, have been doing a very good job.

As with any re-hosting discussion, the people involved (which is the most 
important aspect) have been ignored.
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Re: Flash memory arrays

2008-01-18 Thread Tony Harminc
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:40:16 -0600, Rick Fochtman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I can't help but wonder: when a purchased storage array device is
>decommissioned, are all those little drives of any use for PC
>replacements? What sorts of interfaces do those drives require? (E)IDE
>or SCSI of SCSI-2 ??

Some of them are SSA; some SCSI. Some newer ones are FC. They show up on
eBay quite regularly, at prices varying from a few bucks to hundreds. They
generally don't sell at all at any price. Search eBay with keywords SSA DRVC
for some examples. You can find PCI SSA interface cards if you look around,
so they are not impossible to use on a PC. (When searching, it's usually
wise to include negative keywords of -Social -Security and -Administration,
for reasons that quickly become obvious, even to a non-American like me.)
You'd also need suitable data and power connectors and cables, none of which
are compatible with anything else on the planet, and none of which are easy
to find or cheap. 

So really, what's the point when you can buy a shiny new SATA drive with
better specs, a warranty, and vastly more space, for a couple of hundred bucks.

>(I might be able to pick up an old 2105-F20 for the cost of a rental
>truck. It's currently at 1.2 TB)

Someone with an MP3000 or the like might be happy to have it.

Tony H.

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Re: IEFACTRT exit

2008-01-18 Thread O'Connor, Ruth
Richard, 

That's a good question. We do use IEFYS to write some messages to
JESYSMSG but the messages that were missing are WTOs that we send to
syslog and to JESMSGLG. Until you asked about IEFYS I hadn't noticed
that the JESYSMSG messages did appear correctly in the affected jobs.
That means the smf exit was being taken, killing one of my theories.

Since my first email we have figured out that all the problem jobs
executed in one JES2 initiator. Stopping and restarting that initiator
fixed the problem for now. The affected users all happened to be using
the same jobclass and were getting the same initiator consistently. The
userid seems to be irrelevant after all. 

We still don't know why the problem occurred, though. There were no
obvious errors in the initiator; no syslog message that we could ask the
automation group to react to in the future; no logrec entries.

Any ideas about what could have happened to the initiator to affect an
smf exit's WTOs?

Thanks very much,
Ruth 

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Subject: Re: IEFACTRT exit

O'Connor, Ruth wrote:
> Hello
> 
> We have an intermittent problem with IEFACTRT and are wondering if 
> anyone else has ever seen this phenomenon. We're running z/OS 1.7 with

> Top Secret 9.0 but the problem goes back at least several years and 
> software levels.
> 
> Like many shops, we use the exit to write WTO messages at the end of 
> each batch job step. Every once in a while a user reports that the 
> messages are no longer being written for his batch jobs, even though 
> the messages were being produced for that user the previous day (or 
> previous
> hour) and the messages are still being produced for other users' jobs.
> The messages don't come back for that user's batch jobs until the next

> time we IPL the LPAR.
> 
> We have never been able to figure out what causes this problem. The 
> type 30, subtype 4, smf records are still being cut for the jobs 
> without the messages. I have looked through the exit code without 
> finding anything useful. We're wondering if something prevents the 
> IEFACTRT exit from being called for certain users.
> 
> This week the problem has been reported in our applications 
> development LPAR. For at least 3 userids (or ACIDs in Top Secret 
> terminology) the messages stopped appearing early Monday morning. 
> There is nothing in logrec at that time and I don't see anything
strange in syslog, either.
> 
> A search of the archives turned up one thread about a similar problem 
> at a DR site but there didn't appear to be any resolution.
> 
> Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
> 
> Ruth O'Connor
> Senior Systems Software Specialist
> Boston University

Sorry, sent this to the newsgroup rather than the list the first time.

Are these realy WTO's, or are you using the IEFYS interface to write
messages to JESYSMSG (where the allocation messages are written).

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Re: Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay)

2008-01-18 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:55:24 -0800, Edward Jaffe 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>...
>Why? Isn't bama doing a good enough job?
>...

I'll take Ed's question a step further.

I'd say that bama is doing a  good job and I'd hate to see
this turned over to a bunch amateurs, not matter how well
intentioned they are, and no matter how good  proof of concept it
would be.   This forum is too valuable for that.

If UA is trying to get rid of IBM-Main then yes, we should help find 
another home for it, and a z platform would be worth looking at.
Otherwise, let's not rock the boat.

Bama in general, and Darren in particular, have been doing a very 
good job.

Pat O'Keefe

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Re: WLM and DB2

2008-01-18 Thread Gary Green
Tom,

Thanks for the link. 

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Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 4:31 PM
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Subject: Re: WLM and DB2

I did a presentation on WLM and DB2 at IDUG 2006.  Follow this link to get a
copy of the presentation and a sample policy spreadsheet.  Call or write if
you have questions about the presentation.

http://www.trexassociates.com/links.htm

Tom Moulder

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Subject: WLM and DB2

This is probably the wrong forum to post this but I know I'll be told where
to go if it is.

I am about to setup WLM for DB2 SPAS; I know, I know, it should have been
done sooner...  Does anyone know if there are any gotchas that I should be
aware of?  Perhaps a "we did it this way" type reference, etc...

Thanks.

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Re: IDC3009I return code *5*??

2008-01-18 Thread Dave Kopischke
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 16:28:28 -0500, David Andrews wrote:

>I did a LISTC VOL against one of my catalogs today and was rewarded in
>part with these entries:
>
>NONVSAM --- ..'{... ..2.
> HISTORY

I've seen something similar to this before. Are these catalog component or 
cluster names ???

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IDC3009I return code *5*??

2008-01-18 Thread David Andrews
I did a LISTC VOL against one of my catalogs today and was rewarded in
part with these entries:

NONVSAM --- ..'{... ..2. 
 HISTORY 
   DATASET-OWNER-(NULL) CREATION2001.282 
   RELEASE2 EXPIRATION--.000 
   ACCOUNT-INFO---(NULL) 
 SMSDATA 
   STORAGECLASS STRIPED MANAGEMENTCLASS---(NULL) 
   DATACLASS ---STRIPED LBACKUP ---2042.268.2247 
 VOLUMES 
   VOLSERSMS001 DEVTYPE--X'3010200F' 
   VOLSERSMS003 DEVTYPE--X'3010200F' 
IDC3009I ** VSAM CATALOG RETURN CODE IS 5 - REASON CODE IS IGG0CLFF-32
IDC1566I ** ..'{... ..2. NOT LISTED 
NONVSAM --- ..'{... ..2. 
 HISTORY 
   DATASET-OWNER-(NULL) CREATION2002.092 
   RELEASE2 EXPIRATION--.000 
   ACCOUNT-INFO---(NULL) 
 SMSDATA 
   STORAGECLASS STRIPED MANAGEMENTCLASS---(NULL) 
   DATACLASS ---STRIPED LBACKUP ---2042.268.2247 
 LISTING FROM CATALOG -- CATALOG.PROD 
 VOLUMES 
   VOLSERSMS002 DEVTYPE--X'3010200F' 
   VOLSERSMS001 DEVTYPE--X'3010200F' 
   VOLSERSMS003 DEVTYPE--X'3010200F' 

I haven't any idea what these are; they're obviously old and crusty.
IDC3009I RC5 is not documented in the messages book.  Anyone seen this
before?

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Re: Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay)

2008-01-18 Thread David Andrews
On Fri, 2008-01-18 at 14:53 -0600, tony babonas wrote:
> We would self-moderate

Yeah, like THAT's gonna happen.

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Re: OT Threads and other comments

2008-01-18 Thread Lindy Mayfield
I have belonged for years to a list called PICLIST which is for
programming of PIC microcontrollers and other electrical engineering
topics.

They've been using tags in the subject. [PIC] for PIC programming and
related, [EE] for subjects that talk about hardware, [AD] for ads, and
[OT] for other (or off) topics.

When subscribing to the list you can pick which subjects you want and
the others are filtered out.

Other topic discussions vary from anything science related to nuclear
energy.  Seriously, there are really few questions that these guys
cannot answer.  If something gets out of hand, personal, or into taboo
topics the moderator shuts down that thread.

So I agree with Rick, in that there is such a wealth of experience here
that it is a shame not to open up the discussions to other things
(within reason).  However, I do not in any way think that this should be
done without giving people who don't want OT stuff an easy way to simply
filter those discussions out.

Lindy

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Subject: OT Threads and other comments

I don't mind one or two posts that might be off-topic, but I DEPLORE 
long OT threads. With 600-700 E-Mails per day coming in, I don't need 
the additional "noise". I get 300-350 from various desirable mailing 
lists, maybe 50 from friends and the rest is spam. For the same reason, 
I don't like getting the "H & D" (Hatred & Discontent) messages that 
appear here all too often.

We're all professionals here, of widely varying skill levels and 
experiences; let's act like professionals.

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Re: Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay)

2008-01-18 Thread Mark H. Young
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:53:10 -0600, tony babonas 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Continuing to blaspheme, my theory is that zOS should be able to host such
>an application, labor being provided by a collective of experienced sysprogs.
>
>We would self-moderate(after all it's our DASD), self-fund, self-install,
>self-SMPE.  Surely someone has a spare garage or basement to donate.
>
<*Snip*>

You said "collective".why bring the BORG into this?!
Sorry.  It's late on Friday and I'm wired.  Couldn't resist.
Nevermind

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Re: Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay)

2008-01-18 Thread tony babonas
Simple philosophy.  Over the years we're seen the toy computers undercut
most of what we do.  We continue to reassure each other on this
list that we're the best.  Just ask us.

We should be able to prove our point.  Let's start taking some apps back and
awaken the dinosaur.

If we can..   

   

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Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 2:55 PM
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Subject: Re: Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay)

tony babonas wrote:
> Why don't we take up a collection to buy an old CPU, zOS and all else
> needed, then host IBM-MAIN, RACF-L, CICS-L, VM-L, DB2-L etc etc.
> Manpower to support it shouldn't be an issue.
>   

Why? Isn't bama doing a good enough job?

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Re: Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay)

2008-01-18 Thread Edward Jaffe

tony babonas wrote:

Why don't we take up a collection to buy an old CPU, zOS and all else
needed, then host IBM-MAIN, RACF-L, CICS-L, VM-L, DB2-L etc etc.
Manpower to support it shouldn't be an issue.
  


Why? Isn't bama doing a good enough job?

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Re: Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay)

2008-01-18 Thread tony babonas
Continuing to blaspheme, my theory is that zOS should be able to host such
an application,
labor being provided by a collective of experienced sysprogs.  

We would self-moderate(after all it's our DASD), self-fund, self-install,
self-SMPE.  Surely someone has
a spare garage or basement to donate.   

 
 

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Tom Schmidt
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 2:17 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay)

On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:18:41 -0600, tony babonas wrote:
>Why don't we take up a collection to buy an old CPU, zOS and all else
>needed, then host IBM-MAIN, RACF-L, CICS-L, VM-L, DB2-L etc etc.
>Manpower to support it shouldn't be an issue.
>
>Possible?  Would be a great proof of concept.  How much would each of us
>have to pony up?
>
>Imagine the possibilities.  Maybe IBM, CA, BMC, FDR et all  would be
willing
>to help out.
 
 
You have completely missed the point:  the list owner (Darren, in our case)
is 
the true fundamental value to this list.  The hardware & operating system
are 
meaningless in our context.  The site hosting that hardware/OS is providing
us 
with funding (mostly, lately, to enable pointless off-topic meanderings...
but I 
digress) but it is their funding of the list owner's salary that is the real
deal.  
 
Moving (or even _thinking_ about moving) somewhere else - without Darren - 
is borderline blasphemy!  
 
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Re: I want to add virtual printer to my MFNetDisk, Any value?

2008-01-18 Thread shai hess
Can anyone help me to find IBM books which give the data about the CCWs of
the MF attached printers?

I do not know much about MF printers but my MFNetDisk is ready to implemnt
any MF printer emulation. All I need is books.

Thanks,
Shai


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> > Subject: Re: I want to add virtual printer to my MFNetDisk, Any value?
> >
> >
> > -
> >
> > >HI,
> > >
> > > I want to add a small feature which I call it virtual MF printer.
> > >
> > > This will enable MVS user to print to MVS virtual printer
> > any MVS file.
> > >Ofcourse the printer is a PC attach printer and to MVS it
> > will be a MF printer.
> > >
> > > In other words, I want to emulate MF printer in MVS.
> > >
> > > My question is if this feature in MFNetDisk is required or not?
> > >
> > >
> > --
> > Printer emulation can be a HUGE can of worms. I think I'd
> > avoid that one.
>
> Emulating a 1403 or 3211 shouldn't be too bad. Trying to emulate an
> APF/IPDS type printer would be a PITA.
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Re: Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay)

2008-01-18 Thread Ken Porowski
So we take up a collection, buy the z890 and have it shipped to Darren
;-)

-Original Message-
Tom Schmidt
 
You have completely missed the point:  the list owner (Darren, in our
case) is the true fundamental value to this list.  The hardware &
operating system are meaningless in our context.  The site hosting that
hardware/OS is providing us with funding (mostly, lately, to enable
pointless off-topic meanderings... but I
digress) but it is their funding of the list owner's salary that is the
real deal.  
 
Moving (or even _thinking_ about moving) somewhere else - without Darren
- is borderline blasphemy!  

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Re: IEFACTRT exit

2008-01-18 Thread Richard Peurifoy

O'Connor, Ruth wrote:

Hello

We have an intermittent problem with IEFACTRT and are wondering if
anyone else has ever seen this phenomenon. We're running z/OS 1.7 with
Top Secret 9.0 but the problem goes back at least several years and
software levels. 


Like many shops, we use the exit to write WTO messages at the end of
each batch job step. Every once in a while a user reports that the
messages are no longer being written for his batch jobs, even though the
messages were being produced for that user the previous day (or previous
hour) and the messages are still being produced for other users' jobs.
The messages don't come back for that user's batch jobs until the next
time we IPL the LPAR.

We have never been able to figure out what causes this problem. The type
30, subtype 4, smf records are still being cut for the jobs without the
messages. I have looked through the exit code without finding anything
useful. We're wondering if something prevents the IEFACTRT exit from
being called for certain users.

This week the problem has been reported in our applications development
LPAR. For at least 3 userids (or ACIDs in Top Secret terminology) the
messages stopped appearing early Monday morning. There is nothing in
logrec at that time and I don't see anything strange in syslog, either. 


A search of the archives turned up one thread about a similar problem at
a DR site but there didn't appear to be any resolution.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

Ruth O'Connor
Senior Systems Software Specialist
Boston University


Sorry, sent this to the newsgroup rather than the list the first time.

Are these realy WTO's, or are you using the IEFYS interface to write
messages to JESYSMSG (where the allocation messages are written).

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Re: Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay)

2008-01-18 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>My experience on the 'dark side' goes back to June 23, 1976 when I first 
>logged onto a virtual machine.

I first logged on in September 1976.
1st year course at Uwaterloo.

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Re: Re-hosting IMB-MAIN

2008-01-18 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
The following message is a courtesy copy of an article
that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main,alt.folklore.computers as well.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Kern) writes:
> You could save some money by running SLES10  and the linux version of
> LSoft's LISTSERV product. 
>
> No z/OS or z/VM necessary.

recent posts mentioning listserv history 
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008.html#75 Rotary phones
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008.html#76 Rotary phones

on (vm-based) bitnet/earn:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#bitnet

including the following reference:

1991

The international BITNET network reached its peak, connecting some 1,400
organizations in 49 countries for the electronic, non-commercial
exchange of information in support of research and education. Thanks
largely to the volunteer efforts of Eric Thomas, BITNET provided
thousands of electronic mailing lists based on LISTSERV.

Eric Thomas did not want his software to disappear with the
mainframes. Therefore, he started looking for ways to port LISTSERV to
other environments, such as VMS and Unix.

... snip ... 

from this site:
http://www.lsoft.com/corporate/history_listserv.asp

predating listserv on bitnet was the internal corporate vm-based online
conferencing facility that had options that would run in LISTSERV-like
mode as well as a USENET-like mode.

and predating all of them was the online computer conference that
Tymshare provided to share starting aug76 ... archives:
http://vm.marist.edu/~vmshare/

on their vm-based commercial timesharing platform
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#timeshare

some old email with vmshare references
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#vmshare

one of my hobbies was providing custom, highly modified vm systems to
internal locations ... including the HONE infrastructure
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#hone

which had sort of started out after the 23jun69 unbundling announcement
to provide operating system "hands-on" experience for people in branch
offices (running in virtual machines ... starting out with number of
deployed cp67 systems). HONE also evolved some number of cms/apl based
sales & marketing applications which came to dominant all HONE activity.
Eventually HONE "clones" were deployed all over the world ... and it
wasn't even possible to submit a customer order that hadn't first been
processed by a HONE application.

part of what i was doing with vmshare ... was setting up a process where
I replicate all the vmshare files (from tymshare) on the various HONE
systems.

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Re: Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay)

2008-01-18 Thread Tom Schmidt
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:18:41 -0600, tony babonas wrote:
>Why don't we take up a collection to buy an old CPU, zOS and all else
>needed, then host IBM-MAIN, RACF-L, CICS-L, VM-L, DB2-L etc etc.
>Manpower to support it shouldn't be an issue.
>
>Possible?  Would be a great proof of concept.  How much would each of us
>have to pony up?
>
>Imagine the possibilities.  Maybe IBM, CA, BMC, FDR et all  would be willing
>to help out.
 
 
You have completely missed the point:  the list owner (Darren, in our case) is 
the true fundamental value to this list.  The hardware & operating system are 
meaningless in our context.  The site hosting that hardware/OS is providing us 
with funding (mostly, lately, to enable pointless off-topic meanderings... but 
I 
digress) but it is their funding of the list owner's salary that is the real 
deal.  
 
Moving (or even _thinking_ about moving) somewhere else - without Darren - 
is borderline blasphemy!  
 
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Re: Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay)

2008-01-18 Thread Thomas Kern
Okay, Then I will gladly be your z/VM sysprog. My experience on the 'dark
side' goes back to June 23, 1976 when I first logged onto a virtual machine.

/Tom Kern

On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:09:03 -0600, Chase, John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> -Original Message-
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Thomas Kern
>>
>> You could save some money by running SLES10  and the linux
>> version of LSoft's LISTSERV product.
>>
>> No z/OS or z/VM necessary.
>
>But z/VM would provide "cheap insurance" against outages, especially if
>multiple lists were hosted (each list could have its own virtual
>machine, etc.).  One z/VM juggling a "flock of penguins"..
>
>z/OS probably shouldn't even be on the "candidate list" of hosting
>platforms.  For one, z/OS won't run on IFLs.
>
>-jc-

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Re: IEFACTRT exit

2008-01-18 Thread Bob Rutledge
I haven't seen such a problem in Top Secret or in IEFACTRT; I'd look at the 
userids involved.  Are they receiving other WTOs?  Does NOTIFY= get through to 
them?  Have their TSO profiles gotten set to NOINTERCOM?  Do they have full 
TSO/E log datasets?  Is a JES2 MAS devouring messages for duplicate userids 
logged on to multiple members?


Bob

O'Connor, Ruth wrote:

Hello

We have an intermittent problem with IEFACTRT and are wondering if
anyone else has ever seen this phenomenon. We're running z/OS 1.7 with
Top Secret 9.0 but the problem goes back at least several years and
software levels. 


Like many shops, we use the exit to write WTO messages at the end of
each batch job step. Every once in a while a user reports that the
messages are no longer being written for his batch jobs, even though the
messages were being produced for that user the previous day (or previous
hour) and the messages are still being produced for other users' jobs.
The messages don't come back for that user's batch jobs until the next
time we IPL the LPAR.

We have never been able to figure out what causes this problem. The type
30, subtype 4, smf records are still being cut for the jobs without the
messages. I have looked through the exit code without finding anything
useful. We're wondering if something prevents the IEFACTRT exit from
being called for certain users.

This week the problem has been reported in our applications development
LPAR. For at least 3 userids (or ACIDs in Top Secret terminology) the
messages stopped appearing early Monday morning. There is nothing in
logrec at that time and I don't see anything strange in syslog, either. 


A search of the archives turned up one thread about a similar problem at
a DR site but there didn't appear to be any resolution.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.


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Re: Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay)

2008-01-18 Thread Chase, John
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of tony babonas
> 
> We don't want to do this on the cheap,necessarily.  We want 
> to run it all on zOS.  
> No shortage of SYSPROGs:-)

z/OS would probably be the worst choice for this purpose.  First, you'd
have to ditch the IFLs and get "regular" CPUs..

-jc-

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Re: Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay)

2008-01-18 Thread Chase, John
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Thomas Kern
> 
> You could save some money by running SLES10  and the linux 
> version of LSoft's LISTSERV product. 
> 
> No z/OS or z/VM necessary.

But z/VM would provide "cheap insurance" against outages, especially if
multiple lists were hosted (each list could have its own virtual
machine, etc.).  One z/VM juggling a "flock of penguins"..

z/OS probably shouldn't even be on the "candidate list" of hosting
platforms.  For one, z/OS won't run on IFLs.

-jc-

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Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay)

2008-01-18 Thread Mark Post
>>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at  2:18 PM, in message
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, tony babonas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote: 
> Why don't we take up a collection to buy an old CPU, zOS and all else
> needed, then host IBM-MAIN, RACF-L, CICS-L, VM-L, DB2-L etc etc.
> Manpower to support it shouldn't be an issue.

Why not just ask Marist College to take over the list?  They already run a 
bunch of listserv mailing lists on their mainframe.  Total cost = $0.


Mark Post

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Re: Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay)

2008-01-18 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>No z/OS or z/VM necessary.


Somebody has gone over to the Dark Side, Luke!

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Re: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay

2008-01-18 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>If I recall from the marketing, you only 'buy' an IFL once and when you 
>upgrade your IFL's are already paid for.

That is correct.


>Now if I can pick up this 2 IFL box for $10-20K can I just have IBM turn on 2 
>IFL's on my z990 and just trash the z890?  Quite a savings from the list price 
>of $100K+ per IFL.

I suspect the answer would be NO.
But, you're asking the wrong people.
Try asking IBM.

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Re: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay

2008-01-18 Thread Ken Porowski
>From 'Clear and Present Danger'


Jack Ryan: I'm here to rent the Huey. 
Helicopter owner: We don't rent it anymore, but it is for sale. 
Jack Ryan: How much? 
Helicopter owner: Two million dollars. 
Jack Ryan: Uh, my pilot and I will have to take it for a test drive. 
Helicopter owner: Of course, you just have to leave a deposit. 
Jack Ryan: How much is that? 
Helicopter owner: Two million dollars. 
Jack Ryan: Umm... 
Shows a CIA business card 
Jack Ryan: Would you take a company check?  

-Original Message-
Chase, John

> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ken Porowski
> 
> Up to $6500 now.
> 
> If I recall from the marketing, you only 'buy' an IFL once and when 
> you upgrade your IFL's are already paid for.
> Now if I can pick up this 2 IFL box for $10-20K can I just have IBM 
> turn on 2 IFL's on my z990 and just trash the z890?
> Quite a savings from the list price of $100K+ per IFL.

Hmmm.  If you "buy" IFLs on the open market, don't you have to pay
to have them "installed", even if you already have the "correct"
physical hardware present but disabled in your existing machine?  Or
have the open-market machine "installed"?

What's the cost to "flip the switch"?

-jc-

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Re: Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay)

2008-01-18 Thread tony babonas
We don't want to do this on the cheap,necessarily.  We want to run it all on
zOS.  
No shortage of SYSPROGs:-)

 

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Thomas Kern
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 1:39 PM
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Subject: Re: Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay)

You could save some money by running SLES10  and the linux version of
LSoft's LISTSERV product. 

No z/OS or z/VM necessary.

/Tom Kern



On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:18:41 -0600, tony babonas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>Why don't we take up a collection to buy an old CPU, zOS and all else
>needed, then host IBM-MAIN, RACF-L, CICS-L, VM-L, DB2-L etc etc.
>Manpower to support it shouldn't be an issue.
>
>Possible?  Would be a great proof of concept.  How much would each of us
>have to pony up?
>
>Imagine the possibilities.  Maybe IBM, CA, BMC, FDR et all  would be
willing
>to help out.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
>Of Ken Porowski
>Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 1:10 PM
>To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
>Subject: Re: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay
>
>Up to $6500 now.
>

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Re: Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay)

2008-01-18 Thread Chase, John
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of tony babonas
> 
> Why don't we take up a collection to buy an old CPU, zOS and 
> all else needed, then host IBM-MAIN, RACF-L, CICS-L, VM-L, 
> DB2-L etc etc.

I'd think z/VM would be a better choice for a LISTSERVE host..

-jc-

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Re: New Mainframes coming in February

2008-01-18 Thread Ken Porowski
I've only seen the software ones, maybe someone else on the list has
found one for hardware.
I would usually just search the announcement letters. 

-Original Message-
Mark H. Young

On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:56:33 -0500, Ken Porowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>From IBM's 4Q 2007 Earnings announcement
>
>http://www.ibm.com/investor/4q07/presentation/4q07prepared.pdf
>
>Mark Loughridge, IBM's Senior Vice President and Chief Financial 
>Officer
>
>Now, this marks the tenth quarter of a long and successful technology 
>cycle for System z.
<*Snip*>

Ken,

Where can I find IBM's statement of when certain processors go out of
service for their support?  Like when z/OS levels are no longer
supported?  Is there a website?  Example:  z890

THANX,
Mark

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Re: Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay)

2008-01-18 Thread Thomas Kern
You could save some money by running SLES10  and the linux version of
LSoft's LISTSERV product. 

No z/OS or z/VM necessary.

/Tom Kern



On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:18:41 -0600, tony babonas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Why don't we take up a collection to buy an old CPU, zOS and all else
>needed, then host IBM-MAIN, RACF-L, CICS-L, VM-L, DB2-L etc etc.
>Manpower to support it shouldn't be an issue.
>
>Possible?  Would be a great proof of concept.  How much would each of us
>have to pony up?
>
>Imagine the possibilities.  Maybe IBM, CA, BMC, FDR et all  would be willing
>to help out.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
>Of Ken Porowski
>Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 1:10 PM
>To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
>Subject: Re: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay
>
>Up to $6500 now.
>

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Re: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay

2008-01-18 Thread Chase, John
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ken Porowski
> 
> Up to $6500 now.
> 
> If I recall from the marketing, you only 'buy' an IFL once 
> and when you upgrade your IFL's are already paid for.
> Now if I can pick up this 2 IFL box for $10-20K can I just 
> have IBM turn on 2 IFL's on my z990 and just trash the z890?  
> Quite a savings from the list price of $100K+ per IFL.

Hmmm.  If you "buy" IFLs on the open market, don't you have to pay
to have them "installed", even if you already have the "correct"
physical hardware present but disabled in your existing machine?  Or
have the open-market machine "installed"?

What's the cost to "flip the switch"?

-jc-

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Re: Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay)

2008-01-18 Thread Ed Finnell
 
In a message dated 1/18/2008 1:18:55 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Possible?  Would be a great proof of concept.  How much would  each of us
have to pony up?


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$100k/mo would be a good start. Divide that by  4K users and only 20 bucks a 
month. Nobody has ever voluntered anything for  IBM-Main. No hardware, no 
software, no discounts. Currently runs on SUN and  Windows manure spreader. 
 
The logical place for it would be IBMlink  umbrella but then it probably 
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Re: Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay)

2008-01-18 Thread Rick Fochtman

-
Why don't we take up a collection to buy an old CPU, zOS and all else 
needed, then host IBM-MAIN, RACF-L, CICS-L, VM-L, DB2-L etc etc. 
Manpower to support it shouldn't be an issue.


Possible? Would be a great proof of concept. How much would each of us 
have to pony up?


Imagine the possibilities. Maybe IBM, CA, BMC, FDR et all would be 
willing to help out.


Interesting thought. Also need to consider site selection and planning 
and operational costs. Come up with power and cooling requirements and 
I'll run some costs, using spreadsheets I've used for that purpose in 
the past.


If there's an IBMer watching, I'll need the current formulae for 
converting cooling requirements in air and water to electricity dollars 
and cents.


If there's a site selected, I'll need floor space costs and electricity 
costs.


I got time to do the math; get me the numbers. IIRC, our z/800 cost 
around $0.40 per hour, not counting floor space rental.


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Re: I want to add virtual printer to my MFNetDisk, Any value?

2008-01-18 Thread McKown, John
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Fochtman
> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 1:23 PM
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> Subject: Re: I want to add virtual printer to my MFNetDisk, Any value?
> 
> 
> -
> 
> >HI,
> >
> > I want to add a small feature which I call it virtual MF printer.
> >
> > This will enable MVS user to print to MVS virtual printer 
> any MVS file. 
> >Ofcourse the printer is a PC attach printer and to MVS it 
> will be a MF printer.
> >
> > In other words, I want to emulate MF printer in MVS.
> >
> > My question is if this feature in MFNetDisk is required or not?
> >  
> >
> --
> Printer emulation can be a HUGE can of worms. I think I'd 
> avoid that one.

Emulating a 1403 or 3211 shouldn't be too bad. Trying to emulate an
APF/IPDS type printer would be a PITA.

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Re: New Mainframes coming in February

2008-01-18 Thread Mark H. Young
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:56:33 -0500, Ken Porowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

>From IBM's 4Q 2007 Earnings announcement
>
>http://www.ibm.com/investor/4q07/presentation/4q07prepared.pdf
>
>Mark Loughridge, IBM's Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
>
>Now, this marks the tenth quarter of a long and successful technology
>cycle for System z. 
<*Snip*>

Ken,

Where can I find IBM's statement of when certain processors go out of service 
for their support?  Like when z/OS levels are no longer supported?  Is there a 
website?  Example:  z890

THANX,
Mark

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Re: I want to add virtual printer to my MFNetDisk, Any value?

2008-01-18 Thread Rick Fochtman

-


HI,

I want to add a small feature which I call it virtual MF printer.

This will enable MVS user to print to MVS virtual printer any MVS file. 
Ofcourse the printer is a PC attach printer and to MVS it will be a MF printer.


In other words, I want to emulate MF printer in MVS.

My question is if this feature in MFNetDisk is required or not?
 


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Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay)

2008-01-18 Thread tony babonas
Why don't we take up a collection to buy an old CPU, zOS and all else
needed, then host IBM-MAIN, RACF-L, CICS-L, VM-L, DB2-L etc etc.
Manpower to support it shouldn't be an issue.

Possible?  Would be a great proof of concept.  How much would each of us
have to pony up?

Imagine the possibilities.  Maybe IBM, CA, BMC, FDR et all  would be willing
to help out.   






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Up to $6500 now.


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Re: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay

2008-01-18 Thread Ken Porowski
Up to $6500 now.

If I recall from the marketing, you only 'buy' an IFL once and when you
upgrade your IFL's are already paid for.
Now if I can pick up this 2 IFL box for $10-20K can I just have IBM turn
on 2 IFL's on my z990 and just trash the z890?  Quite a savings from the
list price of $100K+ per IFL.

-Original Message-
Dan Squillace

Z890  2086-160  w/2 ILFs.   Current bid under $1,600.

1 CP - about 200 MIPS
2 IFLs - about 350 MIPS each

I am not the seller and have no connection with the seller.  I just
think this is a great opportunity for the right buyer.

http://cgi.ebay.com/IBM-e-SERVER-zSERIES-890-2086-A04-MAINFRAME-COMPUTER
_W0QQitemZ260202032717QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item260202032717

Dan Squillace
Sr. IT Manager, Mainframe Support
SAS Institute Inc.
Cary, NC   USA

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I want to add virtual printer to my MFNetDisk, Any value?

2008-01-18 Thread Shai Hess
HI,

 I want to add a small feature which I call it virtual MF printer.

 This will enable MVS user to print to MVS virtual printer any MVS file. 
Ofcourse the printer is a PC attach printer and to MVS it will be a MF printer.

 In other words, I want to emulate MF printer in MVS.

 My question is if this feature in MFNetDisk is required or not?


 Thanks,

 Shai.

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Re: Flash memory arrays

2008-01-18 Thread Dave Kopischke
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:44:22 -0600, McKown, John wrote:

>I think that they are either SCSI, or Fibre Channel. For a mere 1.2Tb,
>you can use 3 500Gib eSATA drives.

I was at the PC store the other day and they had 1TB SATA drives for sale. I 
didn't catch the price. I settled for a mere 250G for $70. I haven't been able 
to dent the capacity of a 30G drive in three years. Give my son iTunes and 6 
weeks and 40G are gone.

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Re: Flash memory arrays

2008-01-18 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
The following message is a courtesy copy of an article
that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main,alt.folklore.computers as well.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] (, IBM Mainframe Discussion List) writes:
> Around mid-1999 EMC signed a multi-$billion contract to buy a HUGE number  of 
> little disks from IBM over a period of several years.  So IBM was making  
> disks then.  And I think that contract expired about half a decade  ago.

san jose plant site (disk unit) now belongs to hitachi. most recent,
hitachi talking about selling off the unit.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007v.html#33 Hitachi, Silver Lake in talks about 
hard drives, sources say

a few other references
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003d.html#9 IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- 
Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003i.html#25 TGV in the USA?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003n.html#39 DASD history
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006.html#21 IBM up for grabs?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006o.html#18 RAMAC 305(?)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006r.html#14 50th Anniversary of invention of disk 
drives
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006r.html#15 50th Anniversary of invention of disk 
drives
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006r.html#20 50th Anniversary of invention of disk 
drives

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New Mainframes coming in February

2008-01-18 Thread Ken Porowski
>From IBM's 4Q 2007 Earnings announcement

http://www.ibm.com/investor/4q07/presentation/4q07prepared.pdf

Mark Loughridge, IBM's Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Now, this marks the tenth quarter of a long and successful technology
cycle for System z. In 2008 we'll move to our next generation mainframe,
with announcement and availability in late February. This next
generation System z has 50 percent more capacity than the current z9,
enables unprecedented levels of workload consolidation and extends
mainframe's leadership in energy efficiency, security and resiliency. We
expect the first quarter to be a period of product transition, with the
real benefit coming in the second quarter.

Ken Porowski
AVP Systems Software
CIT Group
E: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



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OT Threads and other comments

2008-01-18 Thread Rick Fochtman
I don't mind one or two posts that might be off-topic, but I DEPLORE 
long OT threads. With 600-700 E-Mails per day coming in, I don't need 
the additional "noise". I get 300-350 from various desirable mailing 
lists, maybe 50 from friends and the rest is spam. For the same reason, 
I don't like getting the "H & D" (Hatred & Discontent) messages that 
appear here all too often.


We're all professionals here, of widely varying skill levels and 
experiences; let's act like professionals.


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Re: Flash memory arrays

2008-01-18 Thread McKown, John
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Fochtman
> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 12:40 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Flash memory arrays
> 
> 
> --
> 
> >Around mid-1999 EMC signed a multi-$billion contract to buy 
> a HUGE number  of 
> >little disks from IBM over a period of several years.  So 
> IBM was making  
> >disks then.  And I think that contract expired about half a 
> decade  ago.
> >  
> >
> --
> I can't help but wonder: when a purchased storage array device is 
> decommissioned, are all those little drives of any use for PC 
> replacements? What sorts of interfaces do those drives 
> require? (E)IDE 
> or SCSI of SCSI-2 ??
> 
> (I might be able to pick up an old 2105-F20 for the cost of a rental 
> truck. It's currently at 1.2 TB)

I think that they are either SCSI, or Fibre Channel. For a mere 1.2Tb,
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Re: Flash memory arrays

2008-01-18 Thread Rick Fochtman

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Around mid-1999 EMC signed a multi-$billion contract to buy a HUGE number  of 
little disks from IBM over a period of several years.  So IBM was making  
disks then.  And I think that contract expired about half a decade  ago.
 


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I can't help but wonder: when a purchased storage array device is 
decommissioned, are all those little drives of any use for PC 
replacements? What sorts of interfaces do those drives require? (E)IDE 
or SCSI of SCSI-2 ??


(I might be able to pick up an old 2105-F20 for the cost of a rental 
truck. It's currently at 1.2 TB)


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Sherri Hanna/Omaha/IBM is out of the office.

2008-01-18 Thread Sherri Hanna
I will be out of the office starting  01/18/2008 and will not return until
01/21/2008.

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Re: IEFACTRT exit

2008-01-18 Thread Rob Scott
Ruth,

It is possible that the WTO operation in the exit is failing - maybe due to a 
overlay in the exit working storage or some other "bad parameter list" error. I 
would check any code in the exit that varies with userid/jobname values and 
also check the bounds of any other variables around the WTO parmlist in the 
working storage.

It would help if you posted the source code as some bright spark on here might 
see something that you missed.



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Subject: IEFACTRT exit

Hello

We have an intermittent problem with IEFACTRT and are wondering if anyone else 
has ever seen this phenomenon. We're running z/OS 1.7 with Top Secret 9.0 but 
the problem goes back at least several years and software levels.

Like many shops, we use the exit to write WTO messages at the end of each batch 
job step. Every once in a while a user reports that the messages are no longer 
being written for his batch jobs, even though the messages were being produced 
for that user the previous day (or previous
hour) and the messages are still being produced for other users' jobs.
The messages don't come back for that user's batch jobs until the next time we 
IPL the LPAR.

We have never been able to figure out what causes this problem. The type 30, 
subtype 4, smf records are still being cut for the jobs without the messages. I 
have looked through the exit code without finding anything useful. We're 
wondering if something prevents the IEFACTRT exit from being called for certain 
users.

This week the problem has been reported in our applications development LPAR. 
For at least 3 userids (or ACIDs in Top Secret terminology) the messages 
stopped appearing early Monday morning. There is nothing in logrec at that time 
and I don't see anything strange in syslog, either.

A search of the archives turned up one thread about a similar problem at a DR 
site but there didn't appear to be any resolution.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

Ruth O'Connor
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Re: IEFACTRT exit

2008-01-18 Thread Mark H. Young
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:44:55 -0500, O'Connor, Ruth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

>Hello
>
>We have an intermittent problem with IEFACTRT and are wondering if
>anyone else has ever seen this phenomenon. We're running z/OS 1.7 with
>Top Secret 9.0 but the problem goes back at least several years and
>software levels.
>
>Like many shops, we use the exit to write WTO messages at the end of
>each batch job step. Every once in a while a user reports that the
>messages are no longer being written for his batch jobs, even though the
>messages were being produced for that user the previous day (or previous
>hour) and the messages are still being produced for other users' jobs.
>The messages don't come back for that user's batch jobs until the next
>time we IPL the LPAR.
<*Snip*>

Ruth, the IEFACTRT that we run (for Pace / KOMMAND), ALSO echos the WTO 
messages for that STEP, etc. info in SYSLOG.  Does yours, even when it does 
NOT for the users?  Might want to check that?

TTFN,
Mark

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Re: Bobby Fischer -- RIP

2008-01-18 Thread Anton Britz
Hi Darren,

As you can see from Herbie's posting, it does not take much to be called 
a "Computer Professional" these days..

Conclusion:

I will take the "Yellow" card, limiting me to ONE posting a day but I think 
Herbie 
deserves one too.

Herbie , just for the record, we all post "junk" some times but some of us , 
just 
keep on going . As if they got "hurt" and are trying to get back at somebody 
or something all the time.

Herbie: We all love you and it's not my fault that you are sitting up North , 
on 
a little island, in cold weather.

Anton

On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 16:58:57 -, Van Dalsen, Herbie 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Yes,
>
>And Anton scores the first one for his participation on the email
>included below
>
>Hi,
>
>OK... now we are getting closer to the truth because , have you ever
>heard of
>a game where you play for FIVE days and at the end of it all you call it
>a

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Re: Flash memory arrays

2008-01-18 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
The following message is a courtesy copy of an article
that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-mai,alt.folkore.computers as well.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (, IBM Mainframe Discussion List) writes:
> Around mid-1999 EMC signed a multi-$billion contract to buy a HUGE number  of 
> little disks from IBM over a period of several years.  So IBM was making  
> disks then.  And I think that contract expired about half a decade  ago.

san jose plant site (disk unit) now belongs to hitachi. most recent,
hitachi talking about selling off the unit.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007v.html#33 Hitachi, Silver Lake in talks about 
hard drives, sources say

a few other references
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003d.html#9 IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- 
Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003i.html#25 TGV in the USA?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003n.html#39 DASD history
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006.html#21 IBM up for grabs?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006o.html#18 RAMAC 305(?)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006r.html#14 50th Anniversary of invention of disk 
drives
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006r.html#15 50th Anniversary of invention of disk 
drives
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006r.html#20 50th Anniversary of invention of disk 
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Re: KSDS insert failed with out of space

2008-01-18 Thread Jakubek, Jan
To diagnose VSAM request errors one needs to report, via whatever means,
the return (R15), function and feedback codes (from RPL) and interpret
them (Using Datasets book?).
Hth...  

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Re: Bobby Fischer -- RIP

2008-01-18 Thread Van Dalsen, Herbie
Yes,

And Anton scores the first one for his participation on the email
included below 

Hi,

OK... now we are getting closer to the truth because , have you ever
heard of 
a game where you play for FIVE days and at the end of it all you call it
a 
DRAW and you have a "Cup'o tea" together ?

Seriously, England can win a game of Rugby/Cricket now and then but
there 
should be no excuses for their Soccer side.

The quality of soccer that their National side produces , should always
be "Up 
there" and don't send the "Has been's" to the USA.

Rather send the Beatles again but send Beckham and his "show boat"
partner 
with Blair to the Middle East. 

Anton Britz  


-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Anton Britz
Sent: 18 Januarie 2008 04:47 nm
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
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Hi,

Darren, I still think you should introduce a "Yellow Card" system
because it's 
the same posters posting "junk" every day. 

It's as if they think we do not have a TV at home and we need to see ALL
the 
news on an IBM discussion list.

One warning/strike and after that, they should be limited to ONE posting
a day.

It's the only long-term solution for these BIG lists because some people
will 
never get it, i think ..

Anton

On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 09:57:51 -0600, Darren Evans-Young 
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>Ok, let's stop this off-topic thread before it balloons.
>Thanks.
>
>Darren
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Re: Bobby Fischer -- RIP

2008-01-18 Thread Anton Britz
Hi,

Darren, I still think you should introduce a "Yellow Card" system because it's 
the same posters posting "junk" every day. 

It's as if they think we do not have a TV at home and we need to see ALL the 
news on an IBM discussion list.

One warning/strike and after that, they should be limited to ONE posting a day.

It's the only long-term solution for these BIG lists because some people will 
never get it, i think ..

Anton

On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 09:57:51 -0600, Darren Evans-Young 
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>Ok, let's stop this off-topic thread before it balloons.
>Thanks.
>
>Darren
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Re: IBMLINK

2008-01-18 Thread esmie moo
Thanks John, I will give it a try.

"Chase, John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  > -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of esmie moo
> 
> Good Morning Gentle Readers. 
> 
> I am attempting to pose a question on IBMLINK. I have a 
> valid userid and password. I was able to access the link 
> :http://www.ibm.com/ibmlink
> 
> However, I cannot find the TAB or section to click on to 
> bring me to the correct place.
> 
> Your suggestions is greatly appreciated in advance

Try "Electronic Technical Response (ETR)". Depending on your support
entitlement, you should see (on the ETR "main page") something like "Ask
a Question".

-jc-

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Re: KSDS insert failed with out of space

2008-01-18 Thread Michael Saraco
Yes if the index does not have secondary extents I would give it secondary 
extents and think it may fix your problem. If I remember correctly adding 
records to the end will not cause a split until you fill up that extent or 
delete one out of the middle but if you insert records you cause the split 
sooner and fill you the extent sooner because of the wasted space.

Michael Saraco
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From:
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To:
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Date:
01/18/2008 10:26 AM
Subject:
Re: KSDS insert failed with out of space



Michael,

I will check that.

Does it matter? I mean, you can add records to the end of the KSDS. You 
just
can not insert records..

On Jan 19, 2008 12:07 AM, Michael Saraco 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Yes it can do a split but it has to have the space. Did they define
> secondary extents for the index?
>
>
>
>
> From:
> Johnny Luo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:
> IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
> Date:
> 01/18/2008 10:01 AM
> Subject:
> Re: KSDS insert failed with out of space
>
>
>
> Thanks for all the kind replies..
>
> Space on the volumes should not be a problem. They have checked the
> storage
> group and space allocation.
>
> However, I missed to mention one info.
>
> Yes, they didn't specify any free CIs.
>
> Is this a problem? I mean, even I don't specify free CIs in a CA, 
CA-split
> can still happen. Right?
>
> On Jan 18, 2008 11:50 PM, Roberto Halais <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> > Maybe the new record being added causes a CI (control interval) split
> and
> > there is no free CIs in the CA (control area)  causing a CA split 
which
> > would possibly try to add a new extent to the file and there is no 
more
> > space in the volume for the new extent. So you get an out of space
> > condition
> > in the volume.
> >  Also, maybe you do not have specified free CIs in a CA.
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Flash memory arrays

2008-01-18 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
 
 
In a message dated 1/18/2008 9:05:19 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>IBM, EMC and HDS send faulty drives back to Seagate and
Hitachi for  analysis for their modular products as well. There is no
difference between  drives used in Enterprise and Modular arrays. IT's not a
hidden service, it's  simply the warranty that the Disk manufacturer provides
(it's been half a  decade since IBM made a disk drive).
 
Around mid-1999 EMC signed a multi-$billion contract to buy a HUGE number  of 
little disks from IBM over a period of several years.  So IBM was making  
disks then.  And I think that contract expired about half a decade  ago.
 
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Re: KSDS insert failed with out of space

2008-01-18 Thread Johnny Luo
Michael,

I will check that.

Does it matter? I mean, you can add records to the end of the KSDS. You just
can not insert records..

On Jan 19, 2008 12:07 AM, Michael Saraco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Yes it can do a split but it has to have the space. Did they define
> secondary extents for the index?
>
>
>
>
> From:
> Johnny Luo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:
> IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
> Date:
> 01/18/2008 10:01 AM
> Subject:
> Re: KSDS insert failed with out of space
>
>
>
> Thanks for all the kind replies..
>
> Space on the volumes should not be a problem. They have checked the
> storage
> group and space allocation.
>
> However, I missed to mention one info.
>
> Yes, they didn't specify any free CIs.
>
> Is this a problem? I mean, even I don't specify free CIs in a CA, CA-split
> can still happen. Right?
>
> On Jan 18, 2008 11:50 PM, Roberto Halais <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Maybe the new record being added causes a CI (control interval) split
> and
> > there is no free CIs in the CA (control area)  causing a CA split which
> > would possibly try to add a new extent to the file and there is no more
> > space in the volume for the new extent. So you get an out of space
> > condition
> > in the volume.
> >  Also, maybe you do not have specified free CIs in a CA.
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Automated shutdown

2008-01-18 Thread Mark Pace
A tool would be nice.  But buying additional software is not an option.

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Re: KSDS insert failed with out of space

2008-01-18 Thread Michael Saraco
Yes it can do a split but it has to have the space. Did they define 
secondary extents for the index? 




From:
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To:
IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Date:
01/18/2008 10:01 AM
Subject:
Re: KSDS insert failed with out of space



Thanks for all the kind replies..

Space on the volumes should not be a problem. They have checked the 
storage
group and space allocation.

However, I missed to mention one info.

Yes, they didn't specify any free CIs.

Is this a problem? I mean, even I don't specify free CIs in a CA, CA-split
can still happen. Right?

On Jan 18, 2008 11:50 PM, Roberto Halais <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Maybe the new record being added causes a CI (control interval) split 
and
> there is no free CIs in the CA (control area)  causing a CA split which
> would possibly try to add a new extent to the file and there is no more
> space in the volume for the new extent. So you get an out of space
> condition
> in the volume.
>  Also, maybe you do not have specified free CIs in a CA.
>
>
>

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Announcing Update to XMITIP and new Text-to-CSV tool (cross posting)

2008-01-18 Thread Lionel B Dyck
The XMITIP package - a freeware tool for sending e-mail from z/OS using 
SMTP - has just been updated with significant enhancements to the NLS 
capabilities (thanks to Hartmut Beckmann). 

I have also released a text to csv (comma separated value) tool to 
compliment the existing text to pdf, text to html, and text to rtf tools. 

These can be found at http://www.lbdsoftware.com 

comments and suggestions are always welcome as are bug reports which will 
be addressed time permitting 

disclaimer: no warranty or guarantee is provided - use at your own risk - 
test and retest before letting your users have access to these tools. 
while they do work in the tests that I have run and in my use there is no 
guarantee that it will work for you and yours. 

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Re: KSDS insert failed with out of space

2008-01-18 Thread Chase, John
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Johnny Luo
> 
> Thanks for all the kind replies..
> 
> Space on the volumes should not be a problem. They have 
> checked the storage group and space allocation.
> 
> However, I missed to mention one info.
> 
> Yes, they didn't specify any free CIs.
> 
> Is this a problem? I mean, even I don't specify free CIs in a 
> CA, CA-split can still happen. Right?

Correct.  Specifying freespace only postpones the CI and CA splits, and
depending on the key ranges of inserted records, may even leave the KSDS
with "wasted space" (i.e., space that is never subsequently needed or
used).

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Re: KSDS insert failed with out of space

2008-01-18 Thread Johnny Luo
Thanks for all the kind replies..

Space on the volumes should not be a problem. They have checked the storage
group and space allocation.

However, I missed to mention one info.

Yes, they didn't specify any free CIs.

Is this a problem? I mean, even I don't specify free CIs in a CA, CA-split
can still happen. Right?

On Jan 18, 2008 11:50 PM, Roberto Halais <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Maybe the new record being added causes a CI (control interval) split and
> there is no free CIs in the CA (control area)  causing a CA split which
> would possibly try to add a new extent to the file and there is no more
> space in the volume for the new extent. So you get an out of space
> condition
> in the volume.
>  Also, maybe you do not have specified free CIs in a CA.
>
>
>

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Re: Automated shutdown

2008-01-18 Thread nounours
Hi Mark:
A real professional tool like *AutoMan* is virtually all you need. See *
www.exspans.com
*They use it in the USA and Germany as far as I'm aware.
Bob Ruwel

On Jan 16, 2008 3:53 PM, Mark Pace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Is there a way to automate the shutdown of z/OS?  I hate having to follow
> a
> script, typing all of the commands to stop tasks.
>
> Also, is there a command to stop syslogd, other than to cancel it?
>
> Thanks very much.
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Yours as ever,
Bob Ruwel
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Re: KSDS insert failed with out of space

2008-01-18 Thread Chase, John
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Johnny Luo
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I encountered a strange problem with a KSDS data set. At this 
> time, I only have some description of the problem from my 
> colleague. Since it's so urgent, I would like to get some 
> hints before I get more detailed info.
> (Sorry for that, I never did things like this before. But 
> it's urgent..)
> 
> According to the description, an out of space error occurred 
> while inserting a record from within CICS. It's a KSDS 
> reproed from a PS data set.
> You can add records to the end of those 'old' records and 
> after that you can insert records into the new block of 
> records. However, if you try to insert a record into the 
> existing block, you get an 'out of space' error.
> 
> Anyone give me some advices?

Several possibilities, some of which have already been mentioned by
others:

1.  Insufficient space on the volume to allocate a secondary extent
2.  KSDS not defined for secondary extents
3.  SHR(4,4) specified and the record to be inserted would cause a CI or
CA split

-jc-

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Re: Bobby Fischer -- RIP

2008-01-18 Thread Darren Evans-Young
Ok, let's stop this off-topic thread before it balloons.
Thanks.

Darren

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Re: Bobby Fischer -- RIP

2008-01-18 Thread David Logan
Indeed.

David Logan

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Subject: OT: Bobby Fischer -- RIP

For the chess afficionados.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/01/18/fischer.obit/

-jc-


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IEFACTRT exit

2008-01-18 Thread O'Connor, Ruth
Hello

We have an intermittent problem with IEFACTRT and are wondering if
anyone else has ever seen this phenomenon. We're running z/OS 1.7 with
Top Secret 9.0 but the problem goes back at least several years and
software levels. 

Like many shops, we use the exit to write WTO messages at the end of
each batch job step. Every once in a while a user reports that the
messages are no longer being written for his batch jobs, even though the
messages were being produced for that user the previous day (or previous
hour) and the messages are still being produced for other users' jobs.
The messages don't come back for that user's batch jobs until the next
time we IPL the LPAR.

We have never been able to figure out what causes this problem. The type
30, subtype 4, smf records are still being cut for the jobs without the
messages. I have looked through the exit code without finding anything
useful. We're wondering if something prevents the IEFACTRT exit from
being called for certain users.

This week the problem has been reported in our applications development
LPAR. For at least 3 userids (or ACIDs in Top Secret terminology) the
messages stopped appearing early Monday morning. There is nothing in
logrec at that time and I don't see anything strange in syslog, either. 

A search of the archives turned up one thread about a similar problem at
a DR site but there didn't appear to be any resolution.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

Ruth O'Connor
Senior Systems Software Specialist
Boston University

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Re: IEBGENER is BROKEN

2008-01-18 Thread Mark Zelden
On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:17:09 -0800, Frank Yaeger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Mark Zelden wrote on 01/17/2008 03:33:11 PM:
>> I used "SORTGENR"  for years (in the "old days") at shops that didn't
>> have ICEGENER or SYNCGENR installed:
>>
>> //STEP1EXEC PGM=SORT
>> //SORTIN   DD  DISP=SHR,DSN=input
>> //SORTOUT  DD  DISP=SHR,DSN=output
>> //SYSOUT   DD  SYSOUT=*
>> //SYSINDD  *
>>  SORT FIELDS=COPY
>> /*
>
>I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.  SORTGENER is an alias
>for ICEGENER.
>

Sorry... SORTGENR is the member name in my personal PDS - which was
why I quoted it.I created it a long time ago... (mid 80's).



>PGM=SORTGENR will do the same thing PGM=ICEGENER does.
>
>The job you show with PGM=SORT uses DFSORT copy directly without going
>through ICEGENER.
>

I know.  As I wrote... it was what I used for shops that did not have 
ICEGENER or SYNCGENR installed.   Installing it wasn't always as 
simple as it is today and many shops didn't bother.  

Mark
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