IBM Announces FICON Express8

[Timothy Sipples]

The announcement letter is here for 8 Gbps:

http://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/7/897/ENUS109-417

Shipments should start very soon (on July 31, 2009). FICON Express8 is
available for System z10 EC and BC. IBM is withdrawing FICON Express4
adapters for z10 machines (only) effective October 27, 2009.

There are some sample benchmark numbers in the announcement letter, and
what's particularly interesting is that there's improved performance in
many areas even if the link speed remains at 2 or 4 Gbps. So FICON Express8
should still be of interest even if you do not upgrade storage devices
immediately. (Obviously the 8 Gbps speed is yet again better, though.)

There are many workloads and workload mixes that can benefit from faster
I/O. For many workloads there is also a trade-off between I/O speeds and
CPU consumption. That is, faster I/O can help reduce CPU consumption in
many situations. Faster I/O can also speed batch processing (if I/O bound),
which may allow you to adjust softcaps downward while still meeting your
batch processing deadlines.

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Re: Downloading large datasets to PC is that Mainframe any Performance issue ?????

[Hunkeler Peter (KIUP 4)]

Interesting, but I would think that FTP is all I/O over a 
very slow path. Unless you are doing some heavy duty software 
based encryption/decryption, FTP should not consume enough 
CPU for WLM to even notice.

I agree. All the TCP related hints others gave are more probable
to be of help.

However, if you happen to get caught in a discretionary service class
on a heavy loaded machine, you might not even get the few CP cycles
needed to initiate the next I/O.

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Re: CA Mainframe 2.0

[Shane]

Good luck fella - there's a lot of (justified IMHO) bad blood out there
you're going to have to overcome.
It'd better be good.

Shane ...
..
.

 Scott Fagen
 Principal Architect
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Re: cbttape #737

[Angel-Luis Dominguez]

You can view XMI files in PC ONLY if the original library in HOST is a 
classic 
PO.

If the base file to build de XMI file is a PDSE, you cannot inspect the file in 
PC, 
but yo can upload to a HOST y recreate it without problems.

Angel Luis Domínguez

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Re: CA Mainframe 2.0

[Richards, Robert B.]

If Scott's the architect, it definitely is worth our time to look at it.

Just my $.02. Make that $.01 if cap and tax and/or universal healthcare
pass.

Bob

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Scott Fagen
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 9:44 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: CA Mainframe 2.0

On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 15:42:03 -0500, Steve Cunningham
scunning...@aarp.org
wrote:
Haven't we all ready been there  done that with CA-ACTIVATOR back in
the
80's. 

On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:34:48 -0400, Bobbie Jo just...@peoplepc.com
wrote:
I believe you mean ca-aggravator, but yes in repsonse to everything
else you
said.

To the referenced contributors, I'd ask that you try the technology out
before you indict, hold in contempt, convict and sentence it.  We're
only at
the end of year one of a three year development cycle, but already 45
products have been updated and released to take advantage of CA MSM
r2.0. 
None of these products will require BYPASS to APPLY service.  Another
100+
have been updated to take advantage of the improved, tapeless electronic
software delivery process.

On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 16:03:15 -0700, Edward Jaffe
edja...@phoenixsoftware.com wrote:
-snip-

I plan to take a good hard look at this in the near future.

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Thank you, Ed.  Let me know when we can get together and talk.

Scott Fagen
Principal Architect
Mainframe 2.0

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Re: Telnet Unix System Services

[Klein, Kenneth]

 And when you find that Mark, please post it. I have been looking for
that for weeks. 


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Subject: Re: Telnet  Unix System Services

 I am not 100% sure, but I think those are differences in /bin/sh on 
 z/OS UNIX, which is based on the Korn Shell, and the use of BASH as 
 the default shell on Linux.

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That was quite helpful.  I didn't realize it was a different shell.  A
little Googling found the esc-sequence  required to do auto-complete.  A
little more research will probably reveal how to do command history.

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Re: What's the difference in SMP/E between the SOURCEID's called RSUnnnn and PUTnnnn ???

[Chase, John]

 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Klein, Kenneth
 
 
  John, the problem is that the same name exists on the system I am
 running on. I think I might try iehmove.

Shouldn't make any difference.  We have duplicate RESVOL sets for each
z/OS image we run, and occasionally (on the sandbox, where we initially
APPLY any maintenance) we have need to enlarge a target dataset on one
of the non-IPLed volumes.  The STGADMIN.DPDSRN.whatever profile works
fine for that even on the same system.

   -jc-

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Re: What's the difference in SMP/E between the SOURCEID's called RSUnnnn and PUTnnnn ???

[Chase, John]

 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Klein, Kenneth
 
  Allan, the problem is that the datasets are on the target res vol
with
 the same name as the dataset on the currently running res vol and they
 are catalogged in the master cat. Eg. sys1.serblink, isf..sisfload. I
 can iebcopy them to new bigger datasets with new names on the target
res
 vol but I can't rename them or the current live master cat will be
 fubarred.

But the catalog entry 'currently' points to the dataset on the 'live'
volume.  The define / rename activity should be performed with the
'inactive' volume explicitly specified so only the VTOC is updated.

   -jc-

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Re: What's the difference in SMP/E between the SOURCEID's called RSUnnnn and PUTnnnn ???

[Klein, Kenneth]

Yes, you are both correct. The serious warning messages, some in red,
just scared the heck outta me. Now I have iebcopied the full datasets to
larger ones and done the renames manually with ispf being sure to only
affect the inactive resvol that is the target for my maint. Now the
target pack is full. In other shops we always had a pair of resvols for
each environment, sandbox, development(test) and prod. Sometimes even a
pair for QA. Here they had a single resvol for each of 3 environments
(only 2 a couple months ago) but I am afraid that will not be big enough
and we will have to go to 2. The dddefs are using (**) for the
volser so it will reference the ipl device after ipl but what if we have
2 resvols? I vaguely remember using sysrs1 and sysrs2, but was that in
the dddef or in the master catalog? 


Ken Klein
Sr. Systems Programmer
Kentucky Farm Bureau Insurance - Louisville
kenneth.kl...@kyfb.com
502-495-5000 x7011

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called RSU and PUT ???

 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Klein, Kenneth
 
  Allan, the problem is that the datasets are on the target res vol
with
 the same name as the dataset on the currently running res vol and they

 are catalogged in the master cat. Eg. sys1.serblink, isf..sisfload. I 
 can iebcopy them to new bigger datasets with new names on the target
res
 vol but I can't rename them or the current live master cat will be 
 fubarred.

But the catalog entry 'currently' points to the dataset on the 'live'
volume.  The define / rename activity should be performed with the
'inactive' volume explicitly specified so only the VTOC is updated.

   -jc-

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Re: Telnet Unix System Services

[Mark Pace]

in /etc/profile I added
set -o vi
and then I can do esc k  to recall previous commands.  Now if I can figure
out how to change the keyboard in PuTTY to send an esck for the up arrow.

On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 7:03 AM, Klein, Kenneth kenneth.kl...@kyfb.comwrote:

  And when you find that Mark, please post it. I have been looking for
 that for weeks.


 Ken Klein
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 Kentucky Farm Bureau Insurance - Louisville
 kenneth.kl...@kyfb.com
 502-495-5000 x7011

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Re: CA Mainframe 2.0

[Jeff Grigg]

We started looking at using this but soon found out it does not support
secure FTP so that came to a quick halt. CA has said this may come in the
future. With PCI requirements SFTP is a must for us.

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Re: What's the difference in SMP/E between the SOURCEID's called RSUnnnn and PUTnnnn ???

[Chase, John]

 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On
Behalf Of Klein, Kenneth
 Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 7:21 AM
 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
 Subject: Re: What's the difference in SMP/E between the SOURCEID's
called RSU and PUT ???
 
 Yes, you are both correct. The serious warning messages, some in red,
 just scared the heck outta me. Now I have iebcopied the full datasets
to
 larger ones and done the renames manually with ispf being sure to only
 affect the inactive resvol that is the target for my maint. Now the
 target pack is full. In other shops we always had a pair of resvols
for
 each environment, sandbox, development(test) and prod. Sometimes even
a
 pair for QA. Here they had a single resvol for each of 3 environments
 (only 2 a couple months ago) but I am afraid that will not be big
enough
 and we will have to go to 2. The dddefs are using (**) for the
 volser so it will reference the ipl device after ipl but what if we
have
 2 resvols? I vaguely remember using sysrs1 and sysrs2, but was that
in
 the dddef or in the master catalog?

The symbolic references are in the catalog.  We currently have 4 volumes
in our RESVOL sets for each image, using SYSR1 (aka '**'),
SYSR2, SYSR3 and SYSR4.  The SYSR2 - SYSR4 symbols are defined in
IEASYMxx and resolved at IPL time; the LOADxx member in SYS1.IPLPARM
specifies which IEASYMxx member to use.Where needed, the LNKLST and
APF list entries specify the symbolic volser.  Our DDDEFs explicitly
name the volsers:  ALTn19, where 0 = n = 3.

-jc-

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Re: CA Mainframe 2.0

[McKown, John]

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 [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Edward Jaffe
 Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 6:03 PM
 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
 Subject: Re: CA Mainframe 2.0
snip
 
 Mainframe 2.0 provides a generalized framework that any ISV 
 or product 
 supplier can plug into. It does not replace SMP/E. (Of 
 course, ensuring 
 the correctness of service (PTFs) would be the responsibility of the 
 enabled product, not the framework.)
 
 I plan to take a good hard look at this in the near future.
 
 -- 
 Edward E Jaffe

I am not familiar with CA's framework. But I do like ShopzSeries' delivery 
methodology.

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Re: Need to delete olsolete entries from tape volcat

[McKown, John]

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 [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Linda Mooney
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 Subject: Re: Need to delete olsolete entries from tape volcat
 
 Thanks, John,  is it possible to delete a range?  We have a 
 few thousand to do. 

Nope. One tape requires one command. Generate the commands using REXX, that's 
what I do. Something like:

/* REXX */
DO VOLSER=20 TO 20
   ADDRESS TSO DELETE VVOLSER VOLUMEENTRY
END

Make that a REXX program and run it in TSO batch.

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Re: CA Mainframe 2.0

[Bobbie Jo]

I agree with Scott as the architect, it has the potential to be greatly 
improved over ca-aggravator.



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If Scott's the architect, it definitely is worth our time to look at it.

Just my $.02. Make that $.01 if cap and tax and/or universal healthcare
pass.

Bob



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Re: SHOWzOS 7.19

[R.S.]

I just installed it, thank you!

Honestly, it's my first time with ShowzOS. g
I just get tons of informations, some of them are clear for me, but 
there are sections which I understand.

Is there any description of ShowzOS's output available?

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Re: CA Mainframe 2.0

[Richards, Robert B.]

I would hazard a guess that we would require SFTP as well.

Scott, your mission should you choose to accept it.

As always, this email will self-destruct in 5 seconds.

Bob

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We started looking at using this but soon found out it does not support
secure FTP so that came to a quick halt. CA has said this may come in
the
future. With PCI requirements SFTP is a must for us.

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Re: Need to delete olsolete entries from tape volcat

[John Kelly]

snip
We now have a problem in that we want to remove all of the volcat entries 
from the shared volcat that belonged to the old hardware VTS that has been 
de-installed
unsnip

deleting the various entries is a way to go but the VCAT is a catalog. you 
could also AMS REPRO the old range to another catalog, if the new VTS' 
range is different, then delete the REPRO'd catalog.

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Re: Telnet Unix System Services

[Don Poitras]

While I finally bit the bullet and learned (somewhat) how to use vi, I
think using it as the command editor is overkill. The emacs keys for
recalling commands and moving forward and back on the line are much more
amenable to key bindings. I do:

set -o emacs

and set up arrow to CTRL-p, down arrow to CTRL-n, left arrow to CTRL-b,
right arrow to CTRL-f

If delete or backspace aren't working, CTRL-d will do delete.

Of course, just using the CTRL combinations works too and if you find
yourself at a prompt, it doesn't hurt to try them out. :)

Mark Pace wrote:
 
 in /etc/profile I added
 set -o vi
 and then I can do esc k  to recall previous commands.  Now if I can figure
 out how to change the keyboard in PuTTY to send an esck for the up arrow.
 
 On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 7:03 AM, Klein, Kenneth kenneth.kl...@kyfb.comwrote:
 
   And when you find that Mark, please post it. I have been looking for
  that for weeks.
 
 
  Ken Klein
  Sr. Systems Programmer
  Kentucky Farm Bureau Insurance - Louisville
  kenneth.kl...@kyfb.com
  502-495-5000 x7011
 
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Re: What's the difference in SMP/E between the SOURCEID's called RSUnnnn and PUTnnnn ???

[Klein, Kenneth]

Yes, that's how I remember it. And to correct myself we do have the
DDDef's hard coded with a specific volser. We clone the target.csi and
zonedit to create a new sandbox for maint. 


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called RSU and PUT ???

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Behalf Of
 2 resvols? I vaguely remember using sysrs1 and sysrs2, but was that
in
 the dddef or in the master catalog?

The symbolic references are in the catalog.  We currently have 4 volumes
in our RESVOL sets for each image, using SYSR1 (aka '**'),
SYSR2, SYSR3 and SYSR4.  The SYSR2 - SYSR4 symbols are defined in
IEASYMxx and resolved at IPL time; the LOADxx member in SYS1.IPLPARM
specifies which IEASYMxx member to use.Where needed, the LNKLST and
APF list entries specify the symbolic volser.  Our DDDEFs explicitly
name the volsers:  ALTn19, where 0 = n = 3.

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Re: CA Mainframe 2.0

[Hal Merritt]

I could be wrong (and often am) but I think PCI only cares about cardholder 
data and some ancillary processes (like system security). 

A documented (and management approved) exception with compensating controls 
ought to be sufficient. Of course, much depends on the quality of the auditors. 
   

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We started looking at using this but soon found out it does not support
secure FTP so that came to a quick halt. CA has said this may come in the
future. With PCI requirements SFTP is a must for us.

 
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Re: CA Mainframe 2.0

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Re: CA Mainframe 2.0

[Patrick Loftus]

We've been using MSM beta version, and we're very impressed at this early stage.

As an example, it took me about 2 minutes work to get VTAPE installed (not
configured).  Elapsed time longer obviously, due to downloading and SMP/E
batch work, but you can put your feet up whilst you wait, or alternatively
find some other work to be doing. Click, click, click, click, and it's done.

You'll need a reasonable amount of filesystem space though.

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Re: IBM Announces FICON Express8

[Eric Bielefeld]

I just read through a lot of the announcement letter from the link quoted 
below.  This sounds very interesting.  I don't know what the FICON Express8 
channels cost, but I know if you just bought your machine, and you decide 
you need those channels, you it will probably cost a lot to convert.  I know 
the last company I contracted for just got their z/10 BC several weeks ago, 
so I'm sure they won't have the new channels.  The also were running z/OS 
V1.7 when I left.


One thing from the announcement letter puzzled me.  This is from the 
Software Requirements section, refering to the z/OS v1.7 Lifecycle 
Extension:


IBM Lifecycle Extension for z/OS V1.7:z/OS V1.7 support was withdrawn 
September 30, 2008. The Lifecycle Extension for z/OS V1.7 (5637-A01) makes 
fee-based corrective service for z/OS V1.7 available through September 2010. 
With the Lifecycle Extension, z/OS V1.7 supports the System z10 servers (z10 
EC, z10 BC). Certain functions and features of the z10 servers require later 
releases of z/OS. For the complete list of software support, see the PSP 
buckets. For more information on the IBM Lifecycle Extension for z/OS V1.7, 
refer to Software Announcement 208-283, dated August 12, 2008.


I know we had a discussion about the Lifecycle extension some time ago, and 
a few people chimed in and said they weren't paying for the Lifecycle 
Extension.  They just put on all of the PTFs from the PSP buckets and things 
worked fine.  This was so you could run a z10 machine using z/OS V1.7.  I'm 
not sure what the quoted paragraph above says.  Do you have to pay for the 
Lifecycle Extension to be able to use these new channels to get the 
maintenance, or can you just pull the PSP buckets?  I guess I'm just 
curious.  I think curiosity is one attribute that makes a good sysprog.


Does anyone think they will upgrade their z/10 to use the new channels?  I 
imagine the channels are just the first step.  To fully utilize the 
channels, you need to replace all your I/O gear, although it sounds like 
there are some benefits with the new channels even without updating your 
disk or tape drives.


Eric Bielefeld
Sr. Systems Programmer
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
414-475-7434


- Original Message - 
From: Timothy Sipples timothy.sipp...@us.ibm.com



The announcement letter is here for 8 Gbps:

http://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/7/897/ENUS109-417

Shipments should start very soon (on July 31, 2009). FICON Express8 is
available for System z10 EC and BC. IBM is withdrawing FICON Express4
adapters for z10 machines (only) effective October 27, 2009.
- - - - -
Timothy Sipples
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TechTarget Mainframe Survey

[Ian]

Techtarget is running a survey on Mainframe usage etc.
The first 2 or 3 pages is boring stuff but it is worth it to get to the real
mainframe questions.

Link = http://go.techtarget.com/r/8764676/1317583

I'm posting it here to make sure they get the right audience for the survey.

quote
The Mainframe Computer - a high-performance computer used for
large-scale computing purposes that require greater availability and
security than a smaller-scale machines - is a paradigm in today's
data center.  Whether you love or hate it, your mainframe controls
your server world.

In this survey, TechTarget wants to know how you split distribution
of your network between mainframe, windows and cloud, as well the
impact the mainframe has on your distributed applications.

Click here to take this 10 minute survey, supply your direct feedback
and enter to win one of two iPod giveaways:
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Re: CA Mainframe 2.0

[Jerry Whitteridge]

Agreed -- we are allowed no unsecured file transfer to the mainframe due
to PCI. Our preference is FTPS but we could (for certain kludges) work
with SFTP.  All vendors need to be reconsidering their supported
protocols.

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 We started looking at using this but soon found out it does 
 not support
 secure FTP so that came to a quick halt. CA has said this may 
 come in the
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Re: IBM Announces FICON Express8

[R.S.]

Eric Bielefeld pisze:
I just read through a lot of the announcement letter from the link 
quoted below.  This sounds very interesting.  I don't know what the 
FICON Express8 channels cost, but I know if you just bought your 
machine, and you decide you need those channels, you it will probably 
cost a lot to convert.  I know the last company I contracted for just 
got their z/10 BC several weeks ago, so I'm sure they won't have the new 
channels.  The also were running z/OS V1.7 when I left.


One thing from the announcement letter puzzled me.  This is from the 
Software Requirements section, refering to the z/OS v1.7 Lifecycle 
Extension:


IBM Lifecycle Extension for z/OS V1.7:z/OS V1.7 support was withdrawn 
September 30, 2008. The Lifecycle Extension for z/OS V1.7 (5637-A01) 
makes fee-based corrective service for z/OS V1.7 available through 
September 2010. With the Lifecycle Extension, z/OS V1.7 supports the 
System z10 servers (z10 EC, z10 BC). Certain functions and features of 
the z10 servers require later releases of z/OS. For the complete list of 
software support, see the PSP buckets. For more information on the IBM 
Lifecycle Extension for z/OS V1.7, refer to Software Announcement 
208-283, dated August 12, 2008.


I know we had a discussion about the Lifecycle extension some time ago, 
and a few people chimed in and said they weren't paying for the 
Lifecycle Extension.  They just put on all of the PTFs from the PSP 
buckets and things worked fine.  This was so you could run a z10 machine 
using z/OS V1.7.  I'm not sure what the quoted paragraph above says.  Do 
you have to pay for the Lifecycle Extension to be able to use these new 
channels to get the maintenance, or can you just pull the PSP buckets?  
I guess I'm just curious.  I think curiosity is one attribute that makes 
a good sysprog.


Does anyone think they will upgrade their z/10 to use the new channels?  
I imagine the channels are just the first step.  To fully utilize the 
channels, you need to replace all your I/O gear, although it sounds like 
there are some benefits with the new channels even without updating your 
disk or tape drives.


Eric,
I don't think the new channels will be significantly more expensive. Of 
course the change will be paid.


Last but not least:
- you don't need the channels if you don't have 8Gbps on the other end 
of cable. I mean CU or switch for shared channels (rather theoretical 
scenario - fully loade channel and multiple CUs connected).
- you don't need the channels if your current utilization is reasonably 
low. From my limited experience - I have never observed 50% utilization 
on my FiconEx4 channels connected to 4Gbps capable DASD CU. I use 4 
channels, more port are available at both ends.


So, in my case I don't expect Ficon Express8 channels before z11 arrives 
here. Good for current economy g

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Re: CA Mainframe 2.0

[P S]

On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Jerry
Whitteridgejerry.whitteri...@safeway.com wrote:
 Agreed -- we are allowed no unsecured file transfer to the mainframe due
 to PCI. Our preference is FTPS but we could (for certain kludges) work
 with SFTP.  All vendors need to be reconsidering their supported
 protocols.

Or encrypt, FTP, decrypt, yes?

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Re: CA Mainframe 2.0

[Jerry Whitteridge]

No -- the problem is the credentials are in clear if you use your method. The 
link has to be encrypted.

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Safeway Inc
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 Subject: Re: CA Mainframe 2.0
 
 On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Jerry
 Whitteridgejerry.whitteri...@safeway.com wrote:
  Agreed -- we are allowed no unsecured file transfer to the 
 mainframe due
  to PCI. Our preference is FTPS but we could (for certain 
 kludges) work
  with SFTP.  All vendors need to be reconsidering their supported
  protocols.
 
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Re: IBM Announces FICON Express8

[Eric Bielefeld]

I doubt if the new channels will be significantly more expensive if you buy 
them with a new machine.  If you just took delivery of your machine 2 months 
ago, and then realize these chanells could help because you have a huge DASD 
farm, you might be talking significant dollars, although if you have the 
processing for a significant DASD farm, the added cost might not seem so 
high.  Since I'm not working now, I can't really ask IBM how much these 
channels cost, and I'm sure if someone else found out, they wouldn't be 
allowed to say how much they cost.


Radoslaw - I suspect your right about these new channels not helping the I/O 
load much for the average shop.  I know when I worked at PH Mining, the 
only time I ever saw channels above 50% where when backups were running, and 
all 16 of our 3490E tape drives were running.  I believe that caused 
significant delays backing up through the 4 Escon channels attached to the 2 
controllers, but then in the manufacturing environment they had, it wasn't 
that critical to get the batch done that fast.  Actually, Australia and a 
few other parts of the world that used our mainframe did experience delays 
during their prime shifts, but I guess they learned to live with it.


I suspect the real benefit will come when all the devices made include 
support for the new channels, and that probably will be awhile.


Eric Bielefeld
Sr. Systems Programmer
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
414-475-7434


- Original Message - 
From: R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl

Eric,
I don't think the new channels will be significantly more expensive. Of 
course the change will be paid.


Last but not least:
- you don't need the channels if you don't have 8Gbps on the other end of 
cable. I mean CU or switch for shared channels (rather theoretical 
scenario - fully loade channel and multiple CUs connected).
- you don't need the channels if your current utilization is reasonably 
low. From my limited experience - I have never observed 50% utilization 
on my FiconEx4 channels connected to 4Gbps capable DASD CU. I use 4 
channels, more port are available at both ends.


So, in my case I don't expect Ficon Express8 channels before z11 arrives 
here. Good for current economy g

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Re: CA Mainframe 2.0

[Gibney, Dave]

   Just curious, why do you or your security folks care about the encryption at 
an external company where the data transfer is all incoming (to you). Seems 
that CA should be the one concerned about the security of their system (But 
they can't required  secure transfer for everyone). I don't see how the 
security of credentials outgoing to an external site are the concern of your 
Security or Auditor, or PCI at all.

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 Behalf Of Jerry Whitteridge
 Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 9:06 AM
 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
 Subject: Re: CA Mainframe 2.0
 
 No -- the problem is the credentials are in clear if you use your method.
 The link has to be encrypted.
 
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 Mainframe Engineering
 Safeway Inc
 925 951 4184
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 If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough.
 
 
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  On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Jerry
  Whitteridgejerry.whitteri...@safeway.com wrote:
   Agreed -- we are allowed no unsecured file transfer to the
  mainframe due
   to PCI. Our preference is FTPS but we could (for certain
  kludges) work
   with SFTP.  All vendors need to be reconsidering their supported
   protocols.
 
  Or encrypt, FTP, decrypt, yes?
 
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Re: CA Mainframe 2.0

[McKown, John]

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 No -- the problem is the credentials are in clear if you use 
 your method. The link has to be encrypted.
 
 Jerry Whitteridge

There would be 1 of 3 possible methods (as I see it).

sftp - which is a type of file transfer over an SSH tunnel. It is not really 
FTP as it does not work the same way. Also, the IBM supplied version only works 
with UNIX files, not legacy datasets.

FTPS - which is true ftp over an TLS tunnel.

Most difficult would be to establish a point to point VPN type tunnel to the 
server, then use regular FTP over that tunnel.

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Re: CA Mainframe 2.0

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McKown, John wrote:

I am not familiar with CA's framework. But I do like ShopzSeries' delivery 
methodology.
  


ShopzSeries is not available to entities outside IBM. It's primarily an 
order fulfillment tool.


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Re: IBM Announces FICON Express8

[Pommier, Rex R.]

Eric,

Yes, you would definitely bury Escon channels doing anything with
current disk or tape.  However, moving to 4 Gb Ficon (much less 8 Gb)
you won't see any significant delays across the channels - unless you
have a huge, well-balanced DASD farm (without balanced channels  :-)  )

Rex

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Subject: Re: IBM Announces FICON Express8

I doubt if the new channels will be significantly more expensive if you
buy 
them with a new machine.  If you just took delivery of your machine 2
months 
ago, and then realize these chanells could help because you have a huge
DASD 
farm, you might be talking significant dollars, although if you have the

processing for a significant DASD farm, the added cost might not seem so

high.  Since I'm not working now, I can't really ask IBM how much these 
channels cost, and I'm sure if someone else found out, they wouldn't be 
allowed to say how much they cost.

Radoslaw - I suspect your right about these new channels not helping the
I/O 
load much for the average shop.  I know when I worked at PH Mining, the

only time I ever saw channels above 50% where when backups were running,
and 
all 16 of our 3490E tape drives were running.  I believe that caused 
significant delays backing up through the 4 Escon channels attached to
the 2 
controllers, but then in the manufacturing environment they had, it
wasn't 
that critical to get the batch done that fast.  Actually, Australia and
a 
few other parts of the world that used our mainframe did experience
delays 
during their prime shifts, but I guess they learned to live with it.

I suspect the real benefit will come when all the devices made include 
support for the new channels, and that probably will be awhile.

Eric Bielefeld
Sr. Systems Programmer
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
414-475-7434

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Re: CA Mainframe 2.0

[Jerry Whitteridge]

We have learnt that there is not always logic involved in what the PCI
QSA demands to certify we are compliant. Not all QSA's have a good
grounding in Mainframe strengths and weaknesses - despite our best
efforts in education. 

However I agree that a transfer initiated from the mainframe using
credentials for an external partner should face different criteria than
an incoming connection. However there are many install products that
start off by a download to a PC and then up to the mainframe - these
were what I was targeting my comments towards mainly. But I would also
say again that all the vendors should be considering security in their
transfer methods however initiated. 

Jerry Whitteridge
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 Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 9:20 AM
 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
 Subject: Re: CA Mainframe 2.0
 
Just curious, why do you or your security folks care about 
 the encryption at an external company where the data transfer 
 is all incoming (to you). Seems that CA should be the one 
 concerned about the security of their system (But they can't 
 required  secure transfer for everyone). I don't see how the 
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Re: CA Mainframe 2.0

[McKown, John]

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 [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Edward Jaffe
 Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 11:25 AM
 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
 Subject: Re: CA Mainframe 2.0
 
 McKown, John wrote:
  I am not familiar with CA's framework. But I do like 
 ShopzSeries' delivery methodology.

 
 ShopzSeries is not available to entities outside IBM. It's 
 primarily an 
 order fulfillment tool.
 
 SMP/E RECEIVE FROMNETWORK can be used by anyone who understands it.
 
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Well, what I like is the Download Director which downloads all the 
subdirectories  files for a given order. But I guess ftp downloading a PAX 
file which I could unwind and then use with a RECEIVE FROMNTS would be OK as 
well. The mainframe is not, and likely never will be, Internet accessible or 
vice versa.

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Re: TechTarget Mainframe Survey

[Bill Washburn]

It appears to be a survey from CA since at the end it asks if you want CA
to send you the survey results.

I said 'yes', and supplied my email address. After which it promptly told
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real
mainframe questions.

Link = http://go.techtarget.com/r/8764676/1317583

I'm posting it here to make sure they get the right audience for the
survey.

quote
The Mainframe Computer - a high-performance computer used for
large-scale computing purposes that require greater availability and
security than a smaller-scale machines - is a paradigm in today's
data center.  Whether you love or hate it, your mainframe controls
your server world.

In this survey, TechTarget wants to know how you split distribution
of your network between mainframe, windows and cloud, as well the
impact the mainframe has on your distributed applications.

Click here to take this 10 minute survey, supply your direct feedback
and enter to win one of two iPod giveaways:
http://go.techtarget.com/r/8764676/1317583

Please note that this survey follows the TechTarget Survey Terms and
Conditions found here. In other words, here's some fun lawyer speak
if you're interested:
http://go.techtarget.com/r/8764677/1317583
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ZHPF - Cost/Benefit Analysis

[Mark Jacobs]

Now that we have z10's in the environment I started to look at the new
'stuff' I can turn on. One of them is ZHPF but that requires a
chargeable feature to the DASD array.  Our DASD manager doesn't see any
problems with not having the feature installed and I don't know enough
about the benefits of enabling it.

Does anyone have any real world experiences with ZHPF that I can bring
to the attention to management?

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Re: TechTarget Mainframe Survey

[Ted MacNEIL]

It appears to be a survey from CA since at the end it asks if you want CA to 
send you the survey results.

I said 'yes', and supplied my email address. After which it promptly told me 
I wasn't the demographic they were looking for and thank you for playing...
hmmm

To quote Teal'c: Indeed!

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Re: TechTarget Mainframe Survey

[Don Leahy]

I said 'no' and got the same response.

On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Bill
Washburnbwashb...@winwholesale.com wrote:
 It appears to be a survey from CA since at the end it asks if you want CA
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 real
 mainframe questions.

 Link = http://go.techtarget.com/r/8764676/1317583

 I'm posting it here to make sure they get the right audience for the
 survey.

 quote
 The Mainframe Computer - a high-performance computer used for
 large-scale computing purposes that require greater availability and
 security than a smaller-scale machines - is a paradigm in today's
 data center.  Whether you love or hate it, your mainframe controls
 your server world.

 In this survey, TechTarget wants to know how you split distribution
 of your network between mainframe, windows and cloud, as well the
 impact the mainframe has on your distributed applications.

 Click here to take this 10 minute survey, supply your direct feedback
 and enter to win one of two iPod giveaways:
 http://go.techtarget.com/r/8764676/1317583

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Re: TechTarget Mainframe Survey

[Bobbie Jo]

It does the same response to pretty much everyone, no matter what your 
answers were.



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me I wasn't the demographic they were looking for and thank you for
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The first 2 or 3 pages is boring stuff but it is worth it to get to the
real
mainframe questions.

Link = http://go.techtarget.com/r/8764676/1317583

I'm posting it here to make sure they get the right audience for the
survey.

quote
The Mainframe Computer - a high-performance computer used for
large-scale computing purposes that require greater availability and
security than a smaller-scale machines - is a paradigm in today's
data center.  Whether you love or hate it, your mainframe controls
your server world.

In this survey, TechTarget wants to know how you split distribution
of your network between mainframe, windows and cloud, as well the
impact the mainframe has on your distributed applications.

Click here to take this 10 minute survey, supply your direct feedback
and enter to win one of two iPod giveaways:
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Please note that this survey follows the TechTarget Survey Terms and
Conditions found here. In other words, here's some fun lawyer speak
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Re: TechTarget Mainframe Survey

[Mark Pace]

I answered two questions and go the Not in the demographic response.

On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Don Leahy don.le...@leacom.ca wrote:

 I said 'no' and got the same response.

 On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Bill
 Washburnbwashb...@winwholesale.com wrote:
  It appears to be a survey from CA since at the end it asks if you want CA
  to send you the survey results.
 
  I said 'yes', and supplied my email address. After which it promptly told
  me I wasn't the demographic they were looking for and thank you for
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  The first 2 or 3 pages is boring stuff but it is worth it to get to the
  real
  mainframe questions.
 
  Link = http://go.techtarget.com/r/8764676/1317583
 
  I'm posting it here to make sure they get the right audience for the
  survey.
 
  quote
  The Mainframe Computer - a high-performance computer used for
  large-scale computing purposes that require greater availability and
  security than a smaller-scale machines - is a paradigm in today's
  data center.  Whether you love or hate it, your mainframe controls
  your server world.
 
  In this survey, TechTarget wants to know how you split distribution
  of your network between mainframe, windows and cloud, as well the
  impact the mainframe has on your distributed applications.
 
  Click here to take this 10 minute survey, supply your direct feedback
  and enter to win one of two iPod giveaways:
  http://go.techtarget.com/r/8764676/1317583
 
  Please note that this survey follows the TechTarget Survey Terms and
  Conditions found here. In other words, here's some fun lawyer speak
  if you're interested:
  http://go.techtarget.com/r/8764677/1317583
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Re: TechTarget Mainframe Survey

[Jerry Fuchs]

Guess they are not going to share the results with anyone.





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CA
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 data center.  Whether you love or hate it, your mainframe controls
 your server world.

 In this survey, TechTarget wants to know how you split distribution
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Re: CA Mainframe 2.0

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:42:17 -0500, McKown, John wrote:

 SMP/E RECEIVE FROMNETWORK can be used by anyone who understands it.

Well, what I like is the Download Director which downloads all the 
subdirectories  files for a given order.

Can't this be done with a handful of MGETs?  Is Download Director
simply more convenient.

But I guess ftp downloading a PAX file which I could unwind and then use with 
a RECEIVE FROMNTS would be OK as well.

The mainframe is not, and likely never will be, Internet accessible or vice 
versa.

In general, or your particular mainframe?

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Re: TechTarget Mainframe Survey

[Ted MacNEIL]

I answered two questions and go the Not in the demographic response.

Just what is the 'proper demographic'.

Why don't they just say:

I'm sorry, but your responses are not the ones we were expecting!


I'm sorry, but I thought you were looking for staff in mainframe shops.
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Re: CA Mainframe 2.0

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:21:38 -0500, McKown, John wrote:

 No -- the problem is the credentials are in clear if you use
 your method. The link has to be encrypted.

 Jerry Whitteridge

There would be 1 of 3 possible methods (as I see it).

sftp - which is a type of file transfer over an SSH tunnel. It is not really 
FTP as it does not work the same way. Also, the IBM supplied version only 
works with UNIX files, not legacy datasets.

FTPS - which is true ftp over an TLS tunnel.

Most difficult would be to establish a point to point VPN type tunnel to the 
server, then use regular FTP over that tunnel.

CA says they don't replace SMP/E; they employ it.  So which
does RECEIVE FROMNETWORk use?  The SMP/E Commands manual mentions
secure FTP, then refers to the Comm Server doc for a description
of the ftp.data file.  TMI.  I guess I must follow the yellow
brick road.

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Re: ZHPF - Cost/Benefit Analysis

[Edward Jaffe]

Mark Jacobs wrote:

Does anyone have any real world experiences with ZHPF that I can bring
to the attention to management?
  


We have done extensive in-house testing comparing standard non-zHPF 
DX/LR[E], non-zHPF PFX, and zHPF channel programs. The tests measure 
elapsed time, connect time, and throughput. We see *significant* 
differences between these three approaches, with zHPF being by far the best.


IBM has an IOS benchmark program they run. Their zHPF results--and 
pointers to white papers, etc.--can be found in Paul Hagan's 
presentation here: 
http://www-03.ibm.com/support/techdocs/atsmastr.nsf/c6192fb3a432612485256d970082de57/5c9807ba6ed049bb862575bb005ac85c?OpenDocument


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Re: CA Mainframe 2.0

[McKown, John]

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 On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:42:17 -0500, McKown, John wrote:
 
  SMP/E RECEIVE FROMNETWORK can be used by anyone who understands it.
 
 Well, what I like is the Download Director which downloads 
 all the subdirectories  files for a given order.
 
 Can't this be done with a handful of MGETs?  Is Download Director
 simply more convenient.

Yes, I could do it myself by doing some lmkdir statements and mgets. But that 
makes it more difficult for me and more error prone. So it is generally just 
convenience. Plus Download Director can do concurrent downloads of multiple 
files.

 
 But I guess ftp downloading a PAX file which I could unwind 
 and then use with a RECEIVE FROMNTS would be OK as well.
 
 The mainframe is not, and likely never will be, Internet 
 accessible or vice versa.
 
 In general, or your particular mainframe?

I should have said our not the.

 
 -- gil

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Re: TechTarget Mainframe Survey

[McKown, John]

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 I answered two questions and go the Not in the demographic response.
 
 Just what is the 'proper demographic'.
 
 Why don't they just say:
 
 I'm sorry, but your responses are not the ones we were expecting!
 
 
 I'm sorry, but I thought you were looking for staff in 
 mainframe shops.
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Q: What is your opinion of ...?
A: answer
Q: buzz Wrong, but thanks for playing!

Obviously a survey with a predetermined result. Nice! Must be a Political 
Action Committee.

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Re: ZHPF - Cost/Benefit Analysis

[Staller, Allan]

Has Pat Artis weighed in on this yet?


snip
We have done extensive in-house testing comparing standard non-zHPF 
DX/LR[E], non-zHPF PFX, and zHPF channel programs. The tests measure 
elapsed time, connect time, and throughput. We see *significant* 
differences between these three approaches, with zHPF being by far the
best.

IBM has an IOS benchmark program they run. Their zHPF results--and 
pointers to white papers, etc.--can be found in Paul Hagan's 
presentation here: 
http://www-03.ibm.com/support/techdocs/atsmastr.nsf/c6192fb3a43261248525
6d970082de57/5c9807ba6ed049bb862575bb005ac85c?OpenDocument
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MAXASSIZE restriction

[Brian Szott]

We reset the MAXASSIZE to 900M.  The OMVS options display shows that the
parm has been reset, but one of our LPARs shows (through the help of rexx
routine and getrlimit) that the Max AS is 825M.  What parameter/resource
would limit getting the new value?  Trying to keep question simple without
relaying every setting we have, other than our IEFUSI is a stub, because we
have noticed in other questions and apars that has caused some problems with
MAXASSIZE.  

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Re: MAXASSIZE restriction

[Barkow, Eileen]

I remember that there is a AMAXSIZE parm set for the  RACF userid (or something 
similar) that can override MAXASSIZE.

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We reset the MAXASSIZE to 900M.  The OMVS options display shows that the
parm has been reset, but one of our LPARs shows (through the help of rexx
routine and getrlimit) that the Max AS is 825M.  What parameter/resource
would limit getting the new value?  Trying to keep question simple without
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Re: Telnet Unix System Services

[Mark Post]

  On 7/23/2009 at  7:03 AM, Klein, Kenneth kenneth.kl...@kyfb.com wrote: 
 And when you find that Mark, please post it. I have been looking for
 that for weeks. 

Have you tried man sh ?  Or, if you have access to a Linux system, man ksh 
?  I've never been interested in running ksh myself, but a quick search in the 
man page for history seems to turn up quite a bit of information.


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Re: Find the computer error

[Kirk Talman]

Visa does have cards beginning w/2.  Don't know what they are yet.




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At 14:10 -0600 on 07/15/2009, Roach, Dennis (N-GHG) wrote about Re: 
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One too many digits for VISA.

Also as I note in another reply, VISA numbers all begin with a 4 
(which the amount does not).

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Neon's zPrime - IBM response from July 10

[JE Thinnes]

If you want IBM's initial response to zPrime, ask your IBM business partner.  
You can get a letter written by Mark Anzani (IBM VP and CTO, System z) 
dated July 10.

Paragraph 4 and 5 lay out their position.

Seems like IBM thinks you might owe them more money not less if you 
implement zPrime.


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Re: Neon's zPrime - IBM response from July 10

[Ken Porowski]

Found this on the web

http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/mainframe-blog/ibm-warns-custo
mers-about-neons-zprime/ 

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If you want IBM's initial response to zPrime, ask your IBM business
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You can get a letter written by Mark Anzani (IBM VP and CTO, System z)
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Paragraph 4 and 5 lay out their position.

Seems like IBM thinks you might owe them more money not less if you
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Re: Find the computer error

[P S]

On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Kirk Talmanrkueb...@tsys.com wrote:
 Visa does have cards beginning w/2.  Don't know what they are yet.

See http://www.merriampark.com/anatomycc.htm

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USSTAB

[Ron Wells]

Anyone have a copy/example of using sysparm in the USSTAB for VTAM logon 
screen,, to place system-id on screen.
I know there is something once on the cbt tape but I do not have access to 
it..

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Re: SHOWzOS 7.19

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On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 15:13:50 +0200, R.S. 
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You're welcome. It's self documented :-)) 
To be honest most part is based on all DISPLAY comands.

What kind sounds a secret to you?

BTW: SHOWzOS 7.19 will fail on z/OS R10 and z10. Fix will be ready soon

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Re: USSTAB

[Martin Kline]

Anyone have a copy/example of using sysparm in the USSTAB for VTAM 
logon screen,, to place system-id on screen. I know there is something once 
on the cbt tape but I do not have access to it..

No sample, but code BUFFER=(addr,SCAN) on the USSMSG macro, and code 
within the buffer wherever you want amp;SYSPARM. The extra '' gets 
removed by the assembler.

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Re: USSTAB

[Martin Kline]

That should specify two ampersands and the character string 'SYSPARM' 
without my quotes and without spaces.

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Re: Offload work to zIIP with zPRIME

[Anthony Giorgio]

Hal Merritt wrote:
Old days? Still very much so today here in the US. It is called 'off road' diesel, and, except for the color and tax, it's exactly the same fuel. Or so I'm told. 

Don't know the price difference but I'd suspect it's substantial. As the penalties for using it for inappropriately.  

  
I've heard stories of inspectors going to county fairs and checking the 
color of the diesel in the fuel tanks of pickup trucks.  If you're 
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Re: LISTSERV archives

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Re: USSTAB

[Ron Wells]

not a guro on asmblr... trying to figure out where this is to go and 
coding it from older copy I have.. 



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logon screen,, to place system-id on screen. I know there is something 
once 
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No sample, but code BUFFER=(addr,SCAN) on the USSMSG macro, and code 
within the buffer wherever you want amp;SYSPARM. The extra '' gets 
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Re: Offload work to zIIP with zPRIME

[Thompson, Steve]

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Hal Merritt wrote:
 Old days? Still very much so today here in the US. It is called 'off
road' diesel, and, except for the color and tax, it's exactly the same
fuel. Or so I'm told. 

 Don't know the price difference but I'd suspect it's substantial. As
the penalties for using it for inappropriately.  

   
I've heard stories of inspectors going to county fairs and checking the 
color of the diesel in the fuel tanks of pickup trucks.  If you're 
caught using the off-road diesel, the penalties are rather severe.

SNIPPAGE

Wanna have some fun? 

Pour a quart of Dextron II (ATF) in your 50 Gal Diesel tank. In Ohio
that's the same color as off-road diesel. 

The reason I was given for doing such a thing is that ATF will actually
clean your injectors. Beats me if that is true, but it seems to burn OK
(I didn't do it, I saw someone doing it).

Oh, and in the places that I've seen that sell off-road diesel, it costs
more than the highway diesel. Still scratching my head on that one (at
the time I was operating both types of equipment).

Later,
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Re: Offload work to zIIP with zPRIME

[Tony B.]

Umm, uh, yes I know, uh uh, a friend told me.  Yea that's it.  A friend told
me.




 

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Hal Merritt wrote:
 Old days? Still very much so today here in the US. It is called 'off road'
diesel, and, except for the color and tax, it's exactly the same fuel. Or so
I'm told. 

 Don't know the price difference but I'd suspect it's substantial. As the
penalties for using it for inappropriately.  

   
I've heard stories of inspectors going to county fairs and checking the
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Re: CA Mainframe 2.0

[Eric Bielefeld]

Did anyone else see the CA Mainframe 2.0 video?  I just watched it.  You can 
find it at:


   http://www.ca.com/lean-it-mainframe.aspx

It's 8 minutes long.  The first 4 minutes could have all been said by IBM. 
I've heard IBM presentations that sounded very similar.  The last 4 minutes 
talked about CA Mainframe 2.0.  I confess that I am interested in this. 
Actually, the way CA promotes this, it is good for IBM, as well as CA.  If 
this product benefits the mainframe, then it benefits us.  I really don't 
know that much about it yet, other than what I've heard here on IBM-Main.


One thing that struck me is that the presenter still used MIPS.  I know many 
think of MIPS as Meaningless Indicator of Performance, however I think it 
still is the most widely used and probably the most widely understood 
performance indicator.  It sure beats MSUs, which now are totally rediculous 
with the hardware MSUs being different from the software MSUs.  What is IBM 
thinking?


I attended the Midwest Computer Measurement Group (MCMG) meeting in 
Milwaukee last Friday.  Al Sherkow gave 2 good sessions on IBM's pricing by 
workload license charging, and about ziip and zaap processors.  I believe he 
mentioned several times how complicated their pricing is getting.  He didn't 
like it the way their pricing works, but he makes his living off of it, so 
at least for him its a good thing.


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Re: Neon's zPrime - IBM response from July 10

[Eric Bielefeld]

I just commented about the MCMG meeting that I attended last Friday.  On the 
ziip and zaap session that Al Sherkow gave, he talked quite a bit about the 
zPrime product, as several people there had seen the discussion on IBM-Main. 
He didn't have any knowledge (or at least he said he didn't) about what IBM 
was going to do about it, but it looks like the link below gives IBM's 
response.  I'm really curious how this plays out.  Is IBM going to charge 
you for stuff you run on your ziip that zPrime routed there, or are they 
going to let it slide to try to gain marketshare?  Or, something totally 
different?


Is anyone running zPrime yet?  I suspect if you are, you are sworn to 
secrecy.


Eric Bielefeld
Sr. Systems Programmer
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
414-475-7434


- Original Message - 
From: Ken Porowski ken.porow...@cit.com



Found this on the web

http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/mainframe-blog/ibm-warns-custo
mers-about-neons-zprime/

-Original Message-
 If you want IBM's initial response to zPrime, ask your IBM business
partner.
You can get a letter written by Mark Anzani (IBM VP and CTO, System z)
dated July 10.

Paragraph 4 and 5 lay out their position.

Seems like IBM thinks you might owe them more money not less if you
implement zPrime.


Not sure if this is just FUD or not, but sounds reasonable. 


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Re: USSTAB

[Chris Mason]

Ron

This is not a matter for VTAM since an USSTAB is created from the assembler 
(and linkage editor - or whatever it's called these days).

The VTAM support is described in Network Implementation Guide - Chapter 3 
Implementing a VTAM network - Using MVS system symbols. It does *not* 
include the USS tables for the reason above.

Note that the SCAN suboperand is not required. This is there only to set an 
indicator for VTAM when loading the table to substitute variables at execution 
time. Since this is a matter for the assembler, I don't see why you shouldn't 
be able to use either the TEXT or the BUFFER operand to define USS message 
text.

I tried to work out what is required for assembler from the online manuals but -
 it's not easy! I hope there's someone who knows the surely simple way to use 
MVS system symbols in assembler. The advice from Martin Kline - amp;SYSPARM 
as far as I can tell - may well be correct - the need for the SCAN suboperand 
apart.

Chris Mason

On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 16:03:06 -0500, Ron Wells rwe...@agfinance.com 
wrote:

not a guro on asmblr... trying to figure out where this is to go and
coding it from older copy I have..



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Anyone have a copy/example of using sysparm in the USSTAB for VTAM
logon screen,, to place system-id on screen. I know there is something
once
on the cbt tape but I do not have access to it..

No sample, but code BUFFER=(addr,SCAN) on the USSMSG macro, and code
within the buffer wherever you want amp;amp;SYSPARM. The extra '' gets
removed by the assembler.

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Re: CA Mainframe 2.0

[Scott Fagen]

Dave,

The best way to obtain CA MSM is to contact the AD/AM on your account.

On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 19:21:29 -0700, Gibney, Dave gib...@wsu.edu wrote:
   Hi Scott,

One question, when can we have it. We might have tried today :)

Point of strangeness, I actually sorta liked Aggravator :) nut I was
young then.

Scott Fagen
Principal Architect
Mainframe 2.0
CA

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Re: CA Mainframe 2.0

[Edward Jaffe]

Eric Bielefeld wrote:
I attended the Midwest Computer Measurement Group (MCMG) meeting in 
Milwaukee last Friday.  Al Sherkow gave 2 good sessions on IBM's 
pricing by workload license charging, and about ziip and zaap 
processors.  I believe he mentioned several times how complicated 
their pricing is getting.  He didn't like it the way their pricing 
works, but he makes his living off of it, so at least for him its a 
good thing.


Al has admitted to being a consultant for zPrime. I wonder if that makes 
him culpable? :-X


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Re: Neon's zPrime - IBM response from July 10

[Shane]

On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 14:00 -0500, JE Thinnes wrote:

 If you want IBM's initial response to zPrime, ask your IBM business partner.  
 You can get a letter written by Mark Anzani (IBM VP and CTO, System z) 
 dated July 10.
 
 Paragraph 4 and 5 lay out their position.
 
 Seems like IBM thinks you might owe them more money not less if you 
 implement zPrime.

This just has to get uglier.
Seems every vendor (IBM included) has been been announcing (to great
fanfare) new exploitation of specialty engines. Presumably with IBMs
imprimatur.
So the initial concept has become quite a bit more fuzzy around the
edges.

More action to come no doubt.

Shane ...

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Re: Neon's zPrime - IBM response from July 10

[P S]

On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 6:49 PM, Shaneibm-m...@tpg.com.au wrote:
 This just has to get uglier.
 Seems every vendor (IBM included) has been been announcing (to great
 fanfare) new exploitation of specialty engines. Presumably with IBMs
 imprimatur.
 So the initial concept has become quite a bit more fuzzy around the
 edges.

 More action to come no doubt.

No doubt.

My SWAG: This is NEON's way of getting IBM to buy them, to put them
out of their misery, a la PSI.

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Re: Neon's zPrime - IBM response from July 10

[P S]

On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 8:19 PM, Edward
Jaffeedja...@phoenixsoftware.com wrote:
 That might be their objective. If so, it's a failed strategy.

 IBM knows that many ISVs figured out long ago how to enable 3rd-party code
 to run on zAAP/zIIP. (A fun exercise.) If IBM bought NEON (or zPrime) to
 keep a lid on things, another zPrime-like product would appear soon
 thereafter, and then another, and another. There is no way IBM could buy
 them all. Even if they could, it seems unlikely they would put themselves in
 such a vulnerable position.

Ah. So much for my theory! (Unless, as you intimate, they're just ignorant.)

I was only about 43.6% serious anyway.

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Re: CA Mainframe 2.0

[Scott Fagen]

The PCI Data Security Standard only addresses the protection of cardholder
information.  The standard is not intended for any other data (although, in
my opinion, the specification would tend towards being a good idea for any
*sensitive* information that you would want to protect.)  See
https://www.pcisecuritystandards.org.  There's an especially good dos and
don'ts document at
https://www.pcisecuritystandards.org/pdfs/pci_fs_data_storage.pdf

It would seem that if your goal is to attain the standards, then you should
have a thorough understanding of the standards.  Otherwise, you might spend
a lot of time looking for the right anti-virus software to run on z/OS.  

For CA MSM, all credentialed and sensitive information (none of which is
subject to the PCI standard, by the way) is passed via HTTPS.  The only data
passed via FTP are CA assets, product ESD files and solutions, passed back
to you via FTP originating from your z/OS image.  It also happens to be
anonymous FTP, so the only 'credential' that is passed is the user's email
address.  The security and interactions are exactly the same as those that
would be performed if you were to connect to support.ca.com and do your
downloads to your PC.

Scott Fagen
Principal Architect
Mainframe 2.0
CA


On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 07:51:14 -0500, Jeff Grigg jgr...@llbean.com wrote:
We started looking at using this but soon found out it does not support
secure FTP so that came to a quick halt. CA has said this may come in the
future. With PCI requirements SFTP is a must for us.

On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 09:15:03 -0500, Hal Merritt hmerr...@jackhenry.com wrote:
I could be wrong (and often am) but I think PCI only cares about cardholder
data and some ancillary processes (like system security).

A documented (and management approved) exception with compensating controls
ought to be sufficient. Of course, much depends on the quality of the auditors.

On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 09:36:20 -0600, Jerry Whitteridge
jerry.whitteri...@safeway.com wrote:
Agreed -- we are allowed no unsecured file transfer to the mainframe due
to PCI. Our preference is FTPS but we could (for certain kludges) work
with SFTP.  All vendors need to be reconsidering their supported
protocols.

Jerry Whitteridge
Mainframe Engineering
Safeway Inc
925 951 4184
jerry.whitteri...@safeway.com

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Re: Neon's zPrime - IBM response from July 10

[Edward Jaffe]

P S wrote:

My SWAG: This is NEON's way of getting IBM to buy them, to put them
out of their misery, a la PSI.
  


That might be their objective. If so, it's a failed strategy.

IBM knows that many ISVs figured out long ago how to enable 3rd-party 
code to run on zAAP/zIIP. (A fun exercise.) If IBM bought NEON (or 
zPrime) to keep a lid on things, another zPrime-like product would 
appear soon thereafter, and then another, and another. There is no way 
IBM could buy them all. Even if they could, it seems unlikely they would 
put themselves in such a vulnerable position.


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Re: Neon's zPrime - IBM response from July 10

[Gibney, Dave]

 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On
 Behalf Of Shane
 Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 3:49 PM
 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
 Subject: Re: Neon's zPrime - IBM response from July 10
 
 On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 14:00 -0500, JE Thinnes wrote:
 
  If you want IBM's initial response to zPrime, ask your IBM business
 partner.
  You can get a letter written by Mark Anzani (IBM VP and CTO, System
 z)
  dated July 10.
 
  Paragraph 4 and 5 lay out their position.
 
  Seems like IBM thinks you might owe them more money not less if you
  implement zPrime.
 
 This just has to get uglier.
 Seems every vendor (IBM included) has been been announcing (to great
 fanfare) new exploitation of specialty engines. Presumably with IBMs
 imprimatur.
 So the initial concept has become quite a bit more fuzzy around the
 edges.
 
 More action to come no doubt.
 
 Shane ...

  Some companies, one in Germany comes to mind, won't even recognize
software (well marketing MSUs). What do you think they will do when
someone implements zPrime and shuffles database off to a zIIP. A bottom
kneecapped CP(s) z9 or z10 could probably run z/OS well enough if you
move zPrime all the application work to full speed specialty engines.

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Re: CA Mainframe 2.0

[Eric Bielefeld]

I forgot to mention that in my last post, but yes, Al did bring up his 
working as a consultant for zPrime.  He also mentioned that a good part of 
his consulting work is for IBM.  He was very open about this, so I don't 
think he would mind my mentioning it.


Eric Bielefeld
Sr. Systems Programmer
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
414-475-7434


- Original Message - 
From: Edward Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com


Al has admitted to being a consultant for zPrime. I wonder if that makes 
him culpable? :-X


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[Keith Zawila]

I will be out of the office starting  07/23/2009 and will not return until
07/29/2009.

I will be out of the office beginning Friday, July 24th, and will return on
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Re: Volume ID Gone

[John Argall]

Hi Ron,

The box does have Truecopy Async running on it to a site about 1000km 
away. Our hardware vendor is still investigating, but has said a 'slot lock' is 
being seen in shared memory/cache generated by some internal task within 
the disk subsystem. 

Unfortunately, we have to play a wait and see game now as i am about all 
erep'd out, along with many other reports we've reviewed.

regards, John.

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Antwort: Re: MAXASSIZE restriction

[Michael Klaeschen]

Hi,

the field in the RACF OMVS segment is ASSIZEMAX. It has to be seen 
together with the BPXPRMxx symbol MAXASSIZE. Check the Unix System 
Services Planning Guide, chapter 3.6.3.3 for details. These max-values are 
among others which I call hard limits. In addition, Unix processes may 
obtain corresponding soft limits, for example from the /bin/ulimit command 
or the BPX1SRL callable service. The soft limits can be used to change 
certain limits to higher or lower values than the hard limits, again check 
the Unix Planning Guide, chapter 18.15.
So, setting BPXPRMxx and RACF OMVS segment is only one part of the story. 
In addition, one should have a look for example into the profile file 
concatenation in HFS for calls to the /bin/ulimit program.

Cheers 
Michael




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I remember that there is a AMAXSIZE parm set for the  RACF userid (or 
something similar) that can override MAXASSIZE.

-Original Message-
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Subject: MAXASSIZE restriction

We reset the MAXASSIZE to 900M.  The OMVS options display shows that the
parm has been reset, but one of our LPARs shows (through the help of rexx
routine and getrlimit) that the Max AS is 825M.  What parameter/resource
would limit getting the new value?  Trying to keep question simple without
relaying every setting we have, other than our IEFUSI is a stub, because 
we
have noticed in other questions and apars that has caused some problems 
with
MAXASSIZE. 

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Re: INFOZIP 2Gb

[Bob Woodside]

On Wednesday 22 July 2009, Vikesh Bhoola wrote:
 On Wednesday 22 July 2009, Bob Woodside wrote:
 Try this. Edit the file zip.c. 
   [snip]
 Thanks for your assistance, done the above  I get the following :
   [snip]
 Zip special compilation options:
  * size of int: 4
  * size of long:4
  * size of long long:   8
  * size of off_t:   8
  __LF is defined.
off_t must be defined as a long long
  SYMLINK_SUPPORT  (symbolic links supported)
  LARGE_FILE_SUPPORT (default settings)
  ZIP64_SUPPORT(use Zip64 to store large files in

I don't see how zip can be failing now. Everything seems to be 
defined correctly.

I uploaded a fixed patch for unzip to the the Info-ZIP forum this 
evening. It should not fail now. However, I think it still needs some 
work to get the MVS filename handling in sync with the changes that 
Lutz made to zip. I'm hoping we can get him to give us a hand there, 
but I haven't heard anything from him lately.


Cheers,
Bob

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