Re: [LU] Swansea
https://www.lufcdata.com/set-pieces Rapha vs Liecester On Fri, 1 Dec 2023 at 12:52, Robert Heath wrote: > I think KP's, right at the end of the first PL season perhaps, may have > been the last...and IIRC that was mainly down to some pretty > pathetic goalkeeping. I think Greenwood has had a few efforts which have at > least come close. > > We did score from a freekick into the box v Chelsea at home last year > (Rodrigo). > > On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 11:54 AM nattan--- via Leedslist < > leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote: > > > We were saying the same. Tried to work out the last time we scored > direct > > from a free kick - started with Eddie Lewis ! Then recalled KP getting > one > > We decided the last we could recall was probably by Raphinha and he has > > been gone a full season and a half > > Any advance ??DaveOn Thursday, 30 November 2023 at 22:22:27 GMT, Tim > > Whelan via Leedslist wrote: > > > > > > Is it just me, or is anyone else getting tired of the fact that we > > haven't hit a decent free kick all season? Certainly no goals direct > > from free kicks, or even any that went remotely close or forced the > > keeper to make a decent save. (There might have been one that floated > > gently over the wall straight at the keeper, but I don't count that). > > And I can't remember any goals coming from free kicks crossed into the > > box. > > > > When we got a free kick in a dangerous position early in the second half > > last night I predicted that Summerville would step up and shoot straight > > into the wall, but I was wrong. In fact, Piroe stepped up and put it > > straight into the wall instead. > > > > This is why I was sorry to see Sam Greenwood go out on loan, but I > > suppose that being the best set piece taker available doesn't get you > > selected if your all round game isn't quite good enough. (See also James > > Ward-Prouse and England). > > > > But the players who are still with us are a talented bunch, so surely > > there must be at least one of them we could train up to become a free > > kick specialist. Can't Daniel Farke just pick one and tell them to > > practise? > > > > Rant over. > > > > > > > > > > -- Original Message -- > > From: "Richard Walker via Leedslist" > > To: "nat...@sky.com" ; "Robert Heath" > > > > Cc: "leeds list" > > Sent: Thursday, 30 Nov, 23 At 17:20 > > Subject: Re: [LU] Swansea > > Agree with all that especially Piroe who definitely had his > > bestgame.Very commanding in an advanced midfield role and he got his > > goal which backs up Farke's theory. > > I think Sumerville is excellent and I agree that he could go right to > > the top. I think he's got more 'in his locker' than Sterling ever had. > > He's one of those rare players that you know something is going to > > happen when it gets the ball. Eddie Gray had that ability but none many > > do. I can't currently same the same about Rutter, but he does do things > > that you don't often see on a football pitch especially at this level, I > > think he just needs some consistency. He was awful at Rotherham. > > I also think Swansea caused us a lot of problems in the first half > > without testing the keeper much but they were lively and overall it was > > a good win. > > Bamford is trying way to hard but he looks fit and you just know he will > > score goals if given the chance but at the moment you just can't drop > > Piroe or Rutter. > > I see Farke was talking about Ayling and his decision to exclude him > > from the squad because of Gray and Spence's inclusion. Said it was one > > of the hardest decisions he's had to make. Unfortunately, Ayling has > > declined rapidly and everytime he plays now you can see his legs have > > gone. I think Liam C is on the way as well. > > > > On Thursday, 30 November 2023 at 16:44:14 GMT, Robert Heath > > wrote: > > > > That was my first time seeing Farke's Farkers in the flesh. The > > atmosphere > > was indeed weirdly flat. Credit to the Welsh who managed to enliven > > things > > for the last 20 mins with a nonstop rendition of an (obviously new) > > chant > > about Yanick Bolasie. > > > > ___ > > Leedslist mailing list > > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > > <https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/le
Re: [LU] Swansea
I think KP's, right at the end of the first PL season perhaps, may have been the last...and IIRC that was mainly down to some pretty pathetic goalkeeping. I think Greenwood has had a few efforts which have at least come close. We did score from a freekick into the box v Chelsea at home last year (Rodrigo). On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 11:54 AM nattan--- via Leedslist < leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote: > We were saying the same. Tried to work out the last time we scored direct > from a free kick - started with Eddie Lewis ! Then recalled KP getting one > We decided the last we could recall was probably by Raphinha and he has > been gone a full season and a half > Any advance ??DaveOn Thursday, 30 November 2023 at 22:22:27 GMT, Tim > Whelan via Leedslist wrote: > > > Is it just me, or is anyone else getting tired of the fact that we > haven't hit a decent free kick all season? Certainly no goals direct > from free kicks, or even any that went remotely close or forced the > keeper to make a decent save. (There might have been one that floated > gently over the wall straight at the keeper, but I don't count that). > And I can't remember any goals coming from free kicks crossed into the > box. > > When we got a free kick in a dangerous position early in the second half > last night I predicted that Summerville would step up and shoot straight > into the wall, but I was wrong. In fact, Piroe stepped up and put it > straight into the wall instead. > > This is why I was sorry to see Sam Greenwood go out on loan, but I > suppose that being the best set piece taker available doesn't get you > selected if your all round game isn't quite good enough. (See also James > Ward-Prouse and England). > > But the players who are still with us are a talented bunch, so surely > there must be at least one of them we could train up to become a free > kick specialist. Can't Daniel Farke just pick one and tell them to > practise? > > Rant over. > > > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Richard Walker via Leedslist" > To: "nat...@sky.com" ; "Robert Heath" > > Cc: "leeds list" > Sent: Thursday, 30 Nov, 23 At 17:20 > Subject: Re: [LU] Swansea > Agree with all that especially Piroe who definitely had his > bestgame.Very commanding in an advanced midfield role and he got his > goal which backs up Farke's theory. > I think Sumerville is excellent and I agree that he could go right to > the top. I think he's got more 'in his locker' than Sterling ever had. > He's one of those rare players that you know something is going to > happen when it gets the ball. Eddie Gray had that ability but none many > do. I can't currently same the same about Rutter, but he does do things > that you don't often see on a football pitch especially at this level, I > think he just needs some consistency. He was awful at Rotherham. > I also think Swansea caused us a lot of problems in the first half > without testing the keeper much but they were lively and overall it was > a good win. > Bamford is trying way to hard but he looks fit and you just know he will > score goals if given the chance but at the moment you just can't drop > Piroe or Rutter. > I see Farke was talking about Ayling and his decision to exclude him > from the squad because of Gray and Spence's inclusion. Said it was one > of the hardest decisions he's had to make. Unfortunately, Ayling has > declined rapidly and everytime he plays now you can see his legs have > gone. I think Liam C is on the way as well. > > On Thursday, 30 November 2023 at 16:44:14 GMT, Robert Heath > wrote: > > That was my first time seeing Farke's Farkers in the flesh. The > atmosphere > was indeed weirdly flat. Credit to the Welsh who managed to enliven > things > for the last 20 mins with a nonstop rendition of an (obviously new) > chant > about Yanick Bolasie. > > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > <https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist> > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ > <https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/> > Dave Dowden, a legend, a Totty Twin, a pie man! R.I.P. > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > <https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist> > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > Find us on Faceb
Re: [LU] Swansea
We were saying the same. Tried to work out the last time we scored direct from a free kick - started with Eddie Lewis ! Then recalled KP getting one We decided the last we could recall was probably by Raphinha and he has been gone a full season and a half Any advance ??DaveOn Thursday, 30 November 2023 at 22:22:27 GMT, Tim Whelan via Leedslist wrote: Is it just me, or is anyone else getting tired of the fact that we haven't hit a decent free kick all season? Certainly no goals direct from free kicks, or even any that went remotely close or forced the keeper to make a decent save. (There might have been one that floated gently over the wall straight at the keeper, but I don't count that). And I can't remember any goals coming from free kicks crossed into the box. When we got a free kick in a dangerous position early in the second half last night I predicted that Summerville would step up and shoot straight into the wall, but I was wrong. In fact, Piroe stepped up and put it straight into the wall instead. This is why I was sorry to see Sam Greenwood go out on loan, but I suppose that being the best set piece taker available doesn't get you selected if your all round game isn't quite good enough. (See also James Ward-Prouse and England). But the players who are still with us are a talented bunch, so surely there must be at least one of them we could train up to become a free kick specialist. Can't Daniel Farke just pick one and tell them to practise? Rant over. -- Original Message -- From: "Richard Walker via Leedslist" To: "nat...@sky.com" ; "Robert Heath" Cc: "leeds list" Sent: Thursday, 30 Nov, 23 At 17:20 Subject: Re: [LU] Swansea Agree with all that especially Piroe who definitely had his bestgame.Very commanding in an advanced midfield role and he got his goal which backs up Farke's theory. I think Sumerville is excellent and I agree that he could go right to the top. I think he's got more 'in his locker' than Sterling ever had. He's one of those rare players that you know something is going to happen when it gets the ball. Eddie Gray had that ability but none many do. I can't currently same the same about Rutter, but he does do things that you don't often see on a football pitch especially at this level, I think he just needs some consistency. He was awful at Rotherham. I also think Swansea caused us a lot of problems in the first half without testing the keeper much but they were lively and overall it was a good win. Bamford is trying way to hard but he looks fit and you just know he will score goals if given the chance but at the moment you just can't drop Piroe or Rutter. I see Farke was talking about Ayling and his decision to exclude him from the squad because of Gray and Spence's inclusion. Said it was one of the hardest decisions he's had to make. Unfortunately, Ayling has declined rapidly and everytime he plays now you can see his legs have gone. I think Liam C is on the way as well. On Thursday, 30 November 2023 at 16:44:14 GMT, Robert Heath wrote: That was my first time seeing Farke's Farkers in the flesh. The atmosphere was indeed weirdly flat. Credit to the Welsh who managed to enliven things for the last 20 mins with a nonstop rendition of an (obviously new) chant about Yanick Bolasie. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist <https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ <https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/> Dave Dowden, a legend, a Totty Twin, a pie man! R.I.P. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist <https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ <https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/> Dave Dowden, a legend, a Totty Twin, a pie man! R.I.P. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Dave Dowden, a legend, a Totty Twin, a pie man! R.I.P. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Dave Dowden, a legend, a Totty Twin, a pie man! R.I.P.
Re: [LU] Swansea
Is it just me, or is anyone else getting tired of the fact that we haven't hit a decent free kick all season? Certainly no goals direct from free kicks, or even any that went remotely close or forced the keeper to make a decent save. (There might have been one that floated gently over the wall straight at the keeper, but I don't count that). And I can't remember any goals coming from free kicks crossed into the box. When we got a free kick in a dangerous position early in the second half last night I predicted that Summerville would step up and shoot straight into the wall, but I was wrong. In fact, Piroe stepped up and put it straight into the wall instead. This is why I was sorry to see Sam Greenwood go out on loan, but I suppose that being the best set piece taker available doesn't get you selected if your all round game isn't quite good enough. (See also James Ward-Prouse and England). But the players who are still with us are a talented bunch, so surely there must be at least one of them we could train up to become a free kick specialist. Can't Daniel Farke just pick one and tell them to practise? Rant over. -- Original Message -- From: "Richard Walker via Leedslist" To: "nat...@sky.com" ; "Robert Heath" Cc: "leeds list" Sent: Thursday, 30 Nov, 23 At 17:20 Subject: Re: [LU] Swansea Agree with all that especially Piroe who definitely had his bestgame.Very commanding in an advanced midfield role and he got his goal which backs up Farke's theory. I think Sumerville is excellent and I agree that he could go right to the top. I think he's got more 'in his locker' than Sterling ever had. He's one of those rare players that you know something is going to happen when it gets the ball. Eddie Gray had that ability but none many do. I can't currently same the same about Rutter, but he does do things that you don't often see on a football pitch especially at this level, I think he just needs some consistency. He was awful at Rotherham. I also think Swansea caused us a lot of problems in the first half without testing the keeper much but they were lively and overall it was a good win. Bamford is trying way to hard but he looks fit and you just know he will score goals if given the chance but at the moment you just can't drop Piroe or Rutter. I see Farke was talking about Ayling and his decision to exclude him from the squad because of Gray and Spence's inclusion. Said it was one of the hardest decisions he's had to make. Unfortunately, Ayling has declined rapidly and everytime he plays now you can see his legs have gone. I think Liam C is on the way as well. On Thursday, 30 November 2023 at 16:44:14 GMT, Robert Heath wrote: That was my first time seeing Farke's Farkers in the flesh. The atmosphere was indeed weirdly flat. Credit to the Welsh who managed to enliven things for the last 20 mins with a nonstop rendition of an (obviously new) chant about Yanick Bolasie. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist <https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ <https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/> Dave Dowden, a legend, a Totty Twin, a pie man! R.I.P. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist <https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ <https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/> Dave Dowden, a legend, a Totty Twin, a pie man! R.I.P. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Dave Dowden, a legend, a Totty Twin, a pie man! R.I.P.
Re: [LU] Swansea
Agree with all that especially Piroe who definitely had his bestgame.Very commanding in an advanced midfield role and he got his goal which backs up Farke's theory. I think Sumerville is excellent and I agree that he could go right to the top. I think he's got more 'in his locker' than Sterling ever had. He's one of those rare players that you know something is going to happen when it gets the ball. Eddie Gray had that ability but none many do. I can't currently same the same about Rutter, but he does do things that you don't often see on a football pitch especially at this level, I think he just needs some consistency. He was awful at Rotherham. I also think Swansea caused us a lot of problems in the first half without testing the keeper much but they were lively and overall it was a good win. Bamford is trying way to hard but he looks fit and you just know he will score goals if given the chance but at the moment you just can't drop Piroe or Rutter. I see Farke was talking about Ayling and his decision to exclude him from the squad because of Gray and Spence's inclusion. Said it was one of the hardest decisions he's had to make. Unfortunately, Ayling has declined rapidly and everytime he plays now you can see his legs have gone. I think Liam C is on the way as well. On Thursday, 30 November 2023 at 16:44:14 GMT, Robert Heath wrote: That was my first time seeing Farke's Farkers in the flesh. The atmosphere was indeed weirdly flat. Credit to the Welsh who managed to enliven things for the last 20 mins with a nonstop rendition of an (obviously new) chant about Yanick Bolasie. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Dave Dowden, a legend, a Totty Twin, a pie man! R.I.P. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Dave Dowden, a legend, a Totty Twin, a pie man! R.I.P.
Re: [LU] Swansea
That was my first time seeing Farke's Farkers in the flesh. The atmosphere was indeed weirdly flat. Credit to the Welsh who managed to enliven things for the last 20 mins with a nonstop rendition of an (obviously new) chant about Yanick Bolasie. S/ville & Georgenius really are thrilling to watch. I think they are both destined for the very top of the game (almost certainly not in a white shirt, so let's enjoy 'em while we can.) Other than that, I thought Kamara is an excellent player. Piroe, too, had his best game for us. I know many people moan that he's not playing as an out-and-out striker, but I think he is great where he is in a very fluid front line. Interesting to see Gray venturing into Alexander Arnold territory at times. I thought Swa/sea were actually a pretty decent side and they had a really good spell from min 15 to 45. We have had a nasty habit of conceding goals in minute 46, so it was great to score one this time instead. Sw/sea had been playing a noticeably high line, and Piroe had made a little run behind several times, but we chose not to hoof it up.then Georgenius set off, and this time Ampadu launched it, and how brilliantly did the lad finish it! On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 10:09 AM nattan--- via Leedslist < leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote: > Back on track - good victory > The most amazing first 5 minutes of any game , i had literally just stood > in my place to see the ball being crossed to an unmarked James who fired > home , what a start, only to see the offside flag. We were still glaring at > the linesman when i looked up to see a Swansea player lobbing it over > Meslier and into the net. So instead of the great start it was the worst > start. Howver the madnees was not over as , what felt like seconds later , > Summerville sprinted past 2 players and played it through to Piroe who > passed it with aplomb into the bottom corner.After that opening nothing > much happened as the 2 teams cancelled each other out. A header from a > corner by struik our only effort of note - he needs to start scoring from > these > The crowd was as quiet as i can remember, the atmosphere was so flat and > dead, even the gary speed tribute was half hearted. > Then on the stroke of half time, a hopeful punt up the middle by Ampadu, > Georginio got ahead of the defender and with a sublime first touch, as > good as any ever, he controlled it , took another touch and fired home. > Second half was again played in a library and never really got going but > on the hi mark the game was put beyond doubt as Bryam won a crunching > tackle gave it to Georginio who, as he does so often, played a lovely > weighted pass into Dan James who controlled it a fired into the roof of the > net. 3-1 game over > Bamford came on but despite eveyone willing him to score it just isnt > happening- a ball from Anthony would have been his best chance byt it was > massively over hit > Still a good result and 3 more pts > Dave > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ > > Dave Dowden, a legend, a Totty Twin, a pie man! R.I.P. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Dave Dowden, a legend, a Totty Twin, a pie man! R.I.P.
[LU] Swansea
Back on track - good victory The most amazing first 5 minutes of any game , i had literally just stood in my place to see the ball being crossed to an unmarked James who fired home , what a start, only to see the offside flag. We were still glaring at the linesman when i looked up to see a Swansea player lobbing it over Meslier and into the net. So instead of the great start it was the worst start. Howver the madnees was not over as , what felt like seconds later , Summerville sprinted past 2 players and played it through to Piroe who passed it with aplomb into the bottom corner.After that opening nothing much happened as the 2 teams cancelled each other out. A header from a corner by struik our only effort of note - he needs to start scoring from these The crowd was as quiet as i can remember, the atmosphere was so flat and dead, even the gary speed tribute was half hearted. Then on the stroke of half time, a hopeful punt up the middle by Ampadu, Georginio got ahead of the defender and with a sublime first touch, as good as any ever, he controlled it , took another touch and fired home. Second half was again played in a library and never really got going but on the hi mark the game was put beyond doubt as Bryam won a crunching tackle gave it to Georginio who, as he does so often, played a lovely weighted pass into Dan James who controlled it a fired into the roof of the net. 3-1 game over Bamford came on but despite eveyone willing him to score it just isnt happening- a ball from Anthony would have been his best chance byt it was massively over hit Still a good result and 3 more pts Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Dave Dowden, a legend, a Totty Twin, a pie man! R.I.P.
[LU] Swansea
Too drunk and too pissed off to write much This was a game we deserved to win and did enough to win by a good margin From first to last we dominted and whilst some of our keeping the ball was ineffectual we created half chance after half chance. Bamford missed a couple, Cooper should have headed home from a corner and Alioski could have scored too They offered almost nothing and wasted time from the off Nketiah and Costa both showed enough to suggest they should get a start sooner not later, Nketiah showed a real turn of pace at times and put a great header in the side netting, Costa did a few runs that were skill personified Then when it looked as if we were only getting one point for all our efforts and domination we fell to our Achilles heel , failing to clear a corner and letting them score, the second shot they had , the other week sa led by cassilla If they are top on merit nd are the best team in this Division we have nowt to fear So an awful result but an ok performance Gutted that I am hols and missing Derby game Dave Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
Re: [LU] Swansea
TBF if in the dark days of Bates GFH and Cellino is the club had held out against selling our young stars, we'd all have been cock-a-hoop Sent from my mobile From: Leedslist on behalf of David Nathan Sent: Friday, February 1, 2019 7:08:32 AM To: leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: [LU] Swansea Upcoming swans game should have a bit of spice to it now Sent from my iPhone ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
[LU] Swansea
Upcoming swans game should have a bit of spice to it now Sent from my iPhone ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
Re: [LU] Swansea from the armchair
You'd think that with Saiz presumably being man marked every game from here on in, a few things need to happen. 1. Someone (Alioski for example) needs to take some responsibility and step up. 2. Both of them need to cut out the crap, the diving, whinging, petulance, easy bookings, niggly stuff, constantly moaning - for one thing it shows even your basic footballer that he's lost it already and is off his game. 3. The rest of the 9 not being marked should be finding their own space and take more responsibility. Roofe for one has been doing this (from what little I've seen) Even if it all goes tits up, even these 4-5 games have been better than virtually all of last season. So it's not just the players or manager, it's the whole thing. Even looking like you’re trying goes a long way. . More problematic is the Saiz been man-marked and getting wound up scenario - we need more another creative option imho, especially as he’ll inevitably be banned at times. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
Re: [LU] Swansea from the armchair
Agreed.
I think that there is room for Roofe to play the enganche role in place of Saiz
behind Bamford, at some stage this season.
Shackleton looks a great wing back option. Maybe Ayling can play the Kelvin
Phillips holding role?
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Original message
From: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk
Date: 23/08/2018 02:06 (GMT+08:00)
To: {broken-address} Richard Walker
Cc: Ian Murray , Leeds List
Subject: Re: [LU] Swansea from the armchair
For what it’s worth (essentially nowt) I see Roofe doing well against weaker
teams, but there’s no doubt Bamford is a better footballer. He has a bit more
class up front than anyone else we have (and he should given he cost £10m ish).
However Roofe has been a revelation so far, so even confirmed miserablists like
me will say he owns the shirt at the moment. More problematic is the Saiz been
man-marked and getting wound up scenario - we need more another creative option
imho, especially as he’ll inevitably be banned at times.
Finally, isn’t it great to see a player like Shackleton come through? OK the
odd error, but as things go I think he’s been tremendous. I hope Ryan Edmondson
is training alongside Bamford - we need da yoof to step up if we’re not going
to buy players in.
Top of the league seems ok to me though :-)
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> On 22 Aug 2018, at 18:55, {broken-address} Richard Walker
> wrote:
>
> On the face of it no but I’m thinking longer term and Bamford fits the no 9
> shirt better for me.
>
> Roofe has improved and looks fitter however I still don’t think he has the
> presence to play that lone striker long term.
>
>
>> On 22 Aug 2018, at 17:14, Ian Murray wrote:
>>
>> I don't think you can really make a case to drop Roofe at the minute.
>>
>> I like Bamfird though.
>>
>> I
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>>
>>
>> Original message
>> From: {broken-address} Richard Walker
>>
>> Date: 22/08/2018 22:50 (GMT+08:00)
>> To: Joe Skinner
>> Cc: Leeds List
>> Subject: Re: [LU] Swansea from the armchair
>>
>> Bit harsh on Bamford. I thought he looked the part and created the 2nd goal.
>> I’d start him over Roofe despite his goals.
>>
>>> On 22 Aug 2018, at 14:36, Joe Skinner
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> How much of us being poor last night (absolutely abysmal at times - as bad
>>> as the worst last season) is down to the opposition, though? On the flip
>>> side, when we do well, how much is the other team playing poorly or not
>>> being able to keep up with (for us) a relatively high tempo?
>>>
>>> Losing a centre half and height (and not having the guy a lot of people
>>> thing should be ahead of him, available) is a blow that late before
>>> kick-off.
>>>
>>> I've never really liked Phillips. He's an ambler and a pointer.
>>>
>>> I thought we were a bit crap in patches against Derby but they sat off a
>>> bit and we pulled 2 back. What do I know?
>>>
>>> We seemed a bit slow last night and even when we were playing well, a lot
>>> of aimless balls forward (which is par for the course) - but are these
>>> balls under Bielsa a bit different?
>>>
>>> Difficult to tell.
>>>
>>> Bamford looks well off the pace, which could be a fitness thing but even
>>> so... £7m?
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Leedslist On Behalf Of nat...@sky.com
>>> Sent: 22 August 2018 07:35
>>> To: Leeds List
>>> Subject: Re: [LU] Swansea from the armchair
>>>
>>> I agree with most of what RW has said - I think that Douglas was very poor,
>>> Harrison was lacking and Ayling is not a centre back - twice he got us into
>>> trouble when he went rampaging forward and left us (even) more lightweight
>>> at the back Comparisons with last season are inevitable and at times we did
>>> look like the team that fell away and failed so badly then BUT with one
>>> massive difference - this time we came from behind not once but twice, and
>>> got a point in a game during which for the most part we were second best.
>>> We did show some glimpses and flashes of the way we have been playing but
>>> last night was a long way from the style and pizzazz of the other games
>>> Full marks to MB for his substitutions - when he brought Phillips off I
>>> argued with my lad who said it was stupid to make a sub so early if he
>>> wasn't injured, I said I hoped it was indeed tactical and if it was it
>>
Re: [LU] Swansea from the armchair
For what it’s worth (essentially nowt) I see Roofe doing well against weaker
teams, but there’s no doubt Bamford is a better footballer. He has a bit more
class up front than anyone else we have (and he should given he cost £10m ish).
However Roofe has been a revelation so far, so even confirmed miserablists like
me will say he owns the shirt at the moment. More problematic is the Saiz been
man-marked and getting wound up scenario - we need more another creative option
imho, especially as he’ll inevitably be banned at times.
Finally, isn’t it great to see a player like Shackleton come through? OK the
odd error, but as things go I think he’s been tremendous. I hope Ryan Edmondson
is training alongside Bamford - we need da yoof to step up if we’re not going
to buy players in.
Top of the league seems ok to me though :-)
Sent from my iPad
> On 22 Aug 2018, at 18:55, {broken-address} Richard Walker
> wrote:
>
> On the face of it no but I’m thinking longer term and Bamford fits the no 9
> shirt better for me.
>
> Roofe has improved and looks fitter however I still don’t think he has the
> presence to play that lone striker long term.
>
>
>> On 22 Aug 2018, at 17:14, Ian Murray wrote:
>>
>> I don't think you can really make a case to drop Roofe at the minute.
>>
>> I like Bamfird though.
>>
>> I
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>>
>>
>> Original message
>> From: {broken-address} Richard Walker
>>
>> Date: 22/08/2018 22:50 (GMT+08:00)
>> To: Joe Skinner
>> Cc: Leeds List
>> Subject: Re: [LU] Swansea from the armchair
>>
>> Bit harsh on Bamford. I thought he looked the part and created the 2nd goal.
>> I’d start him over Roofe despite his goals.
>>
>>> On 22 Aug 2018, at 14:36, Joe Skinner
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> How much of us being poor last night (absolutely abysmal at times - as bad
>>> as the worst last season) is down to the opposition, though? On the flip
>>> side, when we do well, how much is the other team playing poorly or not
>>> being able to keep up with (for us) a relatively high tempo?
>>>
>>> Losing a centre half and height (and not having the guy a lot of people
>>> thing should be ahead of him, available) is a blow that late before
>>> kick-off.
>>>
>>> I've never really liked Phillips. He's an ambler and a pointer.
>>>
>>> I thought we were a bit crap in patches against Derby but they sat off a
>>> bit and we pulled 2 back. What do I know?
>>>
>>> We seemed a bit slow last night and even when we were playing well, a lot
>>> of aimless balls forward (which is par for the course) - but are these
>>> balls under Bielsa a bit different?
>>>
>>> Difficult to tell.
>>>
>>> Bamford looks well off the pace, which could be a fitness thing but even
>>> so... £7m?
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Leedslist On Behalf Of nat...@sky.com
>>> Sent: 22 August 2018 07:35
>>> To: Leeds List
>>> Subject: Re: [LU] Swansea from the armchair
>>>
>>> I agree with most of what RW has said - I think that Douglas was very poor,
>>> Harrison was lacking and Ayling is not a centre back - twice he got us into
>>> trouble when he went rampaging forward and left us (even) more lightweight
>>> at the back Comparisons with last season are inevitable and at times we did
>>> look like the team that fell away and failed so badly then BUT with one
>>> massive difference - this time we came from behind not once but twice, and
>>> got a point in a game during which for the most part we were second best.
>>> We did show some glimpses and flashes of the way we have been playing but
>>> last night was a long way from the style and pizzazz of the other games
>>> Full marks to MB for his substitutions - when he brought Phillips off I
>>> argued with my lad who said it was stupid to make a sub so early if he
>>> wasn't injured, I said I hoped it was indeed tactical and if it was it
>>> showed both an understanding of the game and a desire to do something about
>>> it. Phillips was having a shocker and he had already been booked so was on
>>> a knife edge. I can recall DoL sitting on his hands when we lost 2 0 at
>>> Sunderland - he had £30m of talent on the bench but sat like a rabbit in
>>> headlights and did nothing even though we all knew we were going to lose if
>>> he did not cha
Re: [LU] Swansea from the armchair
On the face of it no but I’m thinking longer term and Bamford fits the no 9
shirt better for me.
Roofe has improved and looks fitter however I still don’t think he has the
presence to play that lone striker long term.
> On 22 Aug 2018, at 17:14, Ian Murray wrote:
>
> I don't think you can really make a case to drop Roofe at the minute.
>
> I like Bamfird though.
>
> I
>
>
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>
>
> Original message
> From: {broken-address} Richard Walker
>
> Date: 22/08/2018 22:50 (GMT+08:00)
> To: Joe Skinner
> Cc: Leeds List
> Subject: Re: [LU] Swansea from the armchair
>
> Bit harsh on Bamford. I thought he looked the part and created the 2nd goal.
> I’d start him over Roofe despite his goals.
>
>> On 22 Aug 2018, at 14:36, Joe Skinner wrote:
>>
>> How much of us being poor last night (absolutely abysmal at times - as bad
>> as the worst last season) is down to the opposition, though? On the flip
>> side, when we do well, how much is the other team playing poorly or not
>> being able to keep up with (for us) a relatively high tempo?
>>
>> Losing a centre half and height (and not having the guy a lot of people
>> thing should be ahead of him, available) is a blow that late before kick-off.
>>
>> I've never really liked Phillips. He's an ambler and a pointer.
>>
>> I thought we were a bit crap in patches against Derby but they sat off a bit
>> and we pulled 2 back. What do I know?
>>
>> We seemed a bit slow last night and even when we were playing well, a lot of
>> aimless balls forward (which is par for the course) - but are these balls
>> under Bielsa a bit different?
>>
>> Difficult to tell.
>>
>> Bamford looks well off the pace, which could be a fitness thing but even
>> so... £7m?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Leedslist On Behalf Of nat...@sky.com
>> Sent: 22 August 2018 07:35
>> To: Leeds List
>> Subject: Re: [LU] Swansea from the armchair
>>
>> I agree with most of what RW has said - I think that Douglas was very poor,
>> Harrison was lacking and Ayling is not a centre back - twice he got us into
>> trouble when he went rampaging forward and left us (even) more lightweight
>> at the back Comparisons with last season are inevitable and at times we did
>> look like the team that fell away and failed so badly then BUT with one
>> massive difference - this time we came from behind not once but twice, and
>> got a point in a game during which for the most part we were second best.
>> We did show some glimpses and flashes of the way we have been playing but
>> last night was a long way from the style and pizzazz of the other games Full
>> marks to MB for his substitutions - when he brought Phillips off I argued
>> with my lad who said it was stupid to make a sub so early if he wasn't
>> injured, I said I hoped it was indeed tactical and if it was it showed both
>> an understanding of the game and a desire to do something about it. Phillips
>> was having a shocker and he had already been booked so was on a knife edge.
>> I can recall DoL sitting on his hands when we lost 2 0 at Sunderland - he
>> had £30m of talent on the bench but sat like a rabbit in headlights and did
>> nothing even though we all knew we were going to lose if he did not change
>> things. Also I recall George Graham saying that managers often knew after a
>> few minutes that they had things wrong but did not want to personnel until
>> at least half time (preferrably not till 60mins) because to do so early was
>> an admission that they had picked the wrong team So full marks to MB to
>> having the nous and ability to know we needed to change and the bottle
>> /lack of fear to do so. To then make two more changes to try and win the
>> game is also to be applauded One last point on the game - if Saiz (back to
>> his moaning worse) was booked for dissent how come McBurnie who argued over
>> every decision and got right in the lino and ref's faces on two occasions
>> did not get sent off ? ALthough to be fair he was MOM and a real handful
>> Anyway top of the league despite having what was reported in the press on
>> fixture day as the 'hardest start' of anyone in the Division ? I would have
>> been happy with 4 pts at this stage (draw and win v Stoke and Rotherham and
>> two defeats) Norwich now takes on an extra importance - was yesterday a
>> reverting to type for certain players and the tea
Re: [LU] Swansea from the armchair
I don't think you can really make a case to drop Roofe at the minute.
I like Bamfird though.
I
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
Original message
From: {broken-address} Richard Walker
Date: 22/08/2018 22:50 (GMT+08:00)
To: Joe Skinner
Cc: Leeds List
Subject: Re: [LU] Swansea from the armchair
Bit harsh on Bamford. I thought he looked the part and created the 2nd goal.
I’d start him over Roofe despite his goals.
> On 22 Aug 2018, at 14:36, Joe Skinner wrote:
>
> How much of us being poor last night (absolutely abysmal at times - as bad as
> the worst last season) is down to the opposition, though? On the flip side,
> when we do well, how much is the other team playing poorly or not being able
> to keep up with (for us) a relatively high tempo?
>
> Losing a centre half and height (and not having the guy a lot of people thing
> should be ahead of him, available) is a blow that late before kick-off.
>
> I've never really liked Phillips. He's an ambler and a pointer.
>
> I thought we were a bit crap in patches against Derby but they sat off a bit
> and we pulled 2 back. What do I know?
>
> We seemed a bit slow last night and even when we were playing well, a lot of
> aimless balls forward (which is par for the course) - but are these balls
> under Bielsa a bit different?
>
> Difficult to tell.
>
> Bamford looks well off the pace, which could be a fitness thing but even
> so... £7m?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist On Behalf Of nat...@sky.com
> Sent: 22 August 2018 07:35
> To: Leeds List
> Subject: Re: [LU] Swansea from the armchair
>
> I agree with most of what RW has said - I think that Douglas was very poor,
> Harrison was lacking and Ayling is not a centre back - twice he got us into
> trouble when he went rampaging forward and left us (even) more lightweight at
> the back Comparisons with last season are inevitable and at times we did look
> like the team that fell away and failed so badly then BUT with one massive
> difference - this time we came from behind not once but twice, and got a
> point in a game during which for the most part we were second best.
> We did show some glimpses and flashes of the way we have been playing but
> last night was a long way from the style and pizzazz of the other games Full
> marks to MB for his substitutions - when he brought Phillips off I argued
> with my lad who said it was stupid to make a sub so early if he wasn't
> injured, I said I hoped it was indeed tactical and if it was it showed both
> an understanding of the game and a desire to do something about it. Phillips
> was having a shocker and he had already been booked so was on a knife edge. I
> can recall DoL sitting on his hands when we lost 2 0 at Sunderland - he had
> £30m of talent on the bench but sat like a rabbit in headlights and did
> nothing even though we all knew we were going to lose if he did not change
> things. Also I recall George Graham saying that managers often knew after a
> few minutes that they had things wrong but did not want to personnel until at
> least half time (preferrably not till 60mins) because to do so early was an
> admission that they had picked the wrong team So full marks to MB to having
> the nous and ability to know we needed to change and the bottle /lack of
> fear to do so. To then make two more changes to try and win the game is also
> to be applauded One last point on the game - if Saiz (back to his moaning
> worse) was booked for dissent how come McBurnie who argued over every
> decision and got right in the lino and ref's faces on two occasions did not
> get sent off ? ALthough to be fair he was MOM and a real handful Anyway top
> of the league despite having what was reported in the press on fixture day as
> the 'hardest start' of anyone in the Division ? I would have been happy with
> 4 pts at this stage (draw and win v Stoke and Rotherham and two defeats)
> Norwich now takes on an extra importance - was yesterday a reverting to type
> for certain players and the team as a whole or is it just one (of many) to be
> expected blips in a long hard season. We need Cooper and /or Janson to be fit
> sooner rather than later Dave
>
>
>
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Re: [LU] Swansea from the armchair
Bit harsh on Bamford. I thought he looked the part and created the 2nd goal. I’d start him over Roofe despite his goals. > On 22 Aug 2018, at 14:36, Joe Skinner wrote: > > How much of us being poor last night (absolutely abysmal at times - as bad as > the worst last season) is down to the opposition, though? On the flip side, > when we do well, how much is the other team playing poorly or not being able > to keep up with (for us) a relatively high tempo? > > Losing a centre half and height (and not having the guy a lot of people thing > should be ahead of him, available) is a blow that late before kick-off. > > I've never really liked Phillips. He's an ambler and a pointer. > > I thought we were a bit crap in patches against Derby but they sat off a bit > and we pulled 2 back. What do I know? > > We seemed a bit slow last night and even when we were playing well, a lot of > aimless balls forward (which is par for the course) - but are these balls > under Bielsa a bit different? > > Difficult to tell. > > Bamford looks well off the pace, which could be a fitness thing but even > so... £7m? > > -Original Message- > From: Leedslist On Behalf Of nat...@sky.com > Sent: 22 August 2018 07:35 > To: Leeds List > Subject: Re: [LU] Swansea from the armchair > > I agree with most of what RW has said - I think that Douglas was very poor, > Harrison was lacking and Ayling is not a centre back - twice he got us into > trouble when he went rampaging forward and left us (even) more lightweight at > the back Comparisons with last season are inevitable and at times we did look > like the team that fell away and failed so badly then BUT with one massive > difference - this time we came from behind not once but twice, and got a > point in a game during which for the most part we were second best. > We did show some glimpses and flashes of the way we have been playing but > last night was a long way from the style and pizzazz of the other games Full > marks to MB for his substitutions - when he brought Phillips off I argued > with my lad who said it was stupid to make a sub so early if he wasn't > injured, I said I hoped it was indeed tactical and if it was it showed both > an understanding of the game and a desire to do something about it. Phillips > was having a shocker and he had already been booked so was on a knife edge. I > can recall DoL sitting on his hands when we lost 2 0 at Sunderland - he had > £30m of talent on the bench but sat like a rabbit in headlights and did > nothing even though we all knew we were going to lose if he did not change > things. Also I recall George Graham saying that managers often knew after a > few minutes that they had things wrong but did not want to personnel until at > least half time (preferrably not till 60mins) because to do so early was an > admission that they had picked the wrong team So full marks to MB to having > the nous and ability to know we needed to change and the bottle /lack of > fear to do so. To then make two more changes to try and win the game is also > to be applauded One last point on the game - if Saiz (back to his moaning > worse) was booked for dissent how come McBurnie who argued over every > decision and got right in the lino and ref's faces on two occasions did not > get sent off ? ALthough to be fair he was MOM and a real handful Anyway top > of the league despite having what was reported in the press on fixture day as > the 'hardest start' of anyone in the Division ? I would have been happy with > 4 pts at this stage (draw and win v Stoke and Rotherham and two defeats) > Norwich now takes on an extra importance - was yesterday a reverting to type > for certain players and the team as a whole or is it just one (of many) to be > expected blips in a long hard season. We need Cooper and /or Janson to be fit > sooner rather than later Dave > > > > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ > > RIP Jimmy WAC-COE > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ > > RIP Jimmy WAC-COE ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
Re: [LU] Swansea from the armchair
How much of us being poor last night (absolutely abysmal at times - as bad as the worst last season) is down to the opposition, though? On the flip side, when we do well, how much is the other team playing poorly or not being able to keep up with (for us) a relatively high tempo? Losing a centre half and height (and not having the guy a lot of people thing should be ahead of him, available) is a blow that late before kick-off. I've never really liked Phillips. He's an ambler and a pointer. I thought we were a bit crap in patches against Derby but they sat off a bit and we pulled 2 back. What do I know? We seemed a bit slow last night and even when we were playing well, a lot of aimless balls forward (which is par for the course) - but are these balls under Bielsa a bit different? Difficult to tell. Bamford looks well off the pace, which could be a fitness thing but even so... £7m? -Original Message- From: Leedslist On Behalf Of nat...@sky.com Sent: 22 August 2018 07:35 To: Leeds List Subject: Re: [LU] Swansea from the armchair I agree with most of what RW has said - I think that Douglas was very poor, Harrison was lacking and Ayling is not a centre back - twice he got us into trouble when he went rampaging forward and left us (even) more lightweight at the back Comparisons with last season are inevitable and at times we did look like the team that fell away and failed so badly then BUT with one massive difference - this time we came from behind not once but twice, and got a point in a game during which for the most part we were second best. We did show some glimpses and flashes of the way we have been playing but last night was a long way from the style and pizzazz of the other games Full marks to MB for his substitutions - when he brought Phillips off I argued with my lad who said it was stupid to make a sub so early if he wasn't injured, I said I hoped it was indeed tactical and if it was it showed both an understanding of the game and a desire to do something about it. Phillips was having a shocker and he had already been booked so was on a knife edge. I can recall DoL sitting on his hands when we lost 2 0 at Sunderland - he had £30m of talent on the bench but sat like a rabbit in headlights and did nothing even though we all knew we were going to lose if he did not change things. Also I recall George Graham saying that managers often knew after a few minutes that they had things wrong but did not want to personnel until at least half time (preferrably not till 60mins) because to do so early was an admission that they had picked the wrong team So full marks to MB to having the nous and ability to know we needed to change and the bottle /lack of fear to do so. To then make two more changes to try and win the game is also to be applauded One last point on the game - if Saiz (back to his moaning worse) was booked for dissent how come McBurnie who argued over every decision and got right in the lino and ref's faces on two occasions did not get sent off ? ALthough to be fair he was MOM and a real handful Anyway top of the league despite having what was reported in the press on fixture day as the 'hardest start' of anyone in the Division ? I would have been happy with 4 pts at this stage (draw and win v Stoke and Rotherham and two defeats) Norwich now takes on an extra importance - was yesterday a reverting to type for certain players and the team as a whole or is it just one (of many) to be expected blips in a long hard season. We need Cooper and /or Janson to be fit sooner rather than later Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
Re: [LU] Swansea from the armchair
Spot on Tim - too much doom and gloom about!
On Wed, 22 Aug 2018 at 08:14, Tim Leslie wrote:
> Some very good points I think Rich, I'd just like to add my two 'penneth
> on a couple of bits. Think we all need a bit of a slap really for
> jumping on us yesterday with 'this is awful' 'we've gone backwards'
> comments. We were disrupted moments before kick off and the natural
> solution (Pontus) is also injured, so we had to re-arrange. Swansea may
> well have lost 4 Premier standard players, but they're a good team
> (they're 3rd for gods sake!) and it was a very good test which, having
> weathered a bit of a storm, we finished far the better team and I've
> seen penalties given before for the challenge on Bamford with 3 minutes
> to go! But we'd ALL have settled for a point before for this game,
> unless we're deluded.
> I agree Saiz looked off the pace but, in his defence (And I did mention
> this last week) every time he had the ball, he had 2 or 3 on him
> INSTANTLY ... Teams will do this, WE have to find alternate routes. We
> NEED another BIG centre half IMHO, Cooper and Pontus leaves not much
> cover as was evident.
>
> Put simply. We'd have lost this game last season 3-0. We didn't. We're
> MILES better than we were last season, but we've still got work to do to
> survive and dominate a season in the Championship. This is exactly why I
> love the Championship over the Premier League.
>
> On 21.08.2018 22:06, {broken-address} Richard Walker wrote:
> > There were so many things wrong with that performance but who cares ?
> > I was impressed by the way we ground out the result after we lost our
> > captain in the warm up. As the game went into the last 20 minutes I
> > thought we looked the fitter and more likely to score. Yes they had
> > the best chance of the game but they were playing on the counter. Our
> > attitude, fitness and positivity were there to see and there was
> > absolutely no doubt that we were getting something from that game.
> > That is a remarkable transformation from last season.
> > Let's look at the positives.
> > Taking Philips off after 25 mins was incredible. Have you ever known a
> > manager do that ? Philips was terrible was getting overrun and was on
> > a yellow. Moving Klitch back and putting on Baker was a great move. I
> > thought Baker made a difference and some of his passing was excellent
> > whereas Kiltch did everything Philips couldn't, winning the ball and
> > starting attacking moves with intelligent balls forward.
> > Shackleton was brilliant especially for the first goal and he isn't
> > scared to go forward.
> > Some of the football at times was great pass and move football.
> > The Hernandez goal was top class.
> > They had height and without Cooper we had none but we still challenged
> > and made it hard for them.
> > The negatives:
> > Kalvin Philips showing that against a team with pace that run at you
> > he will struggle.
> > Siaz for me was the biggest disappointment. He looked a yard short and
> > struggled all night by his high standards and he also got booked for
> > petulance late on. Same old Siaz.
> > Ayling is no centre back . He gave it his all but I thought he looked
> > out of his depth and was all over the place at times.
> > Scores for me:
> > Peacock - 7. I thought he could hace saved the first goal but he made
> > up with 2 good saves late on.
> > Shackleton - 8. Was under a lot of pressure when defending but came
> > through well. I love this lad.
> > Douglas - 6. I thought he also struggled a bit tonight
> > Ayling - 5. Not a centre back
> > Beradi - 8. Held us together at times and the way he wins the ball and
> > drives forward typifies our team at the moment.
> > Kiltch - 7. Steady, consistent - everything Philips wasn't.
> > Philips - 1. Awful.
> > Allioski - 3. Don't rate this lad. Just a shame Harrison didn't take
> > his chance.
> > Siaz - 5. Off the pace.
> > Roofe - 7. Got his goal and you can't argue with that.
> > Hernandes - 7. Frustrating at times the way he concedes possession but
> > that goal was unbelievable.
> > Subs:
> > Baker - 7. Definite promise with this lad.
> > Bamford - 7. I thought he looked sharper and his run and pass for the
> > 2nd goal was great. He looks like a real striker.
> > Harrison - 4. Disappointing. Made some good runs but no end product.
> > Not writing him off but he needs to do better.
> > Bielsa - all 3 subs on by 60 minutes. that's risky and we've seen that
> > go wrong before but he went for it and it worked.
> > Very happy with us at the moment
> > TOP OF THE LEAGUE and WE'RE GOING UP AS F'CKING CHAMPIONS.
> >
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Re: [LU] Swansea from the armchair
Some very good points I think Rich, I'd just like to add my two 'penneth
on a couple of bits. Think we all need a bit of a slap really for
jumping on us yesterday with 'this is awful' 'we've gone backwards'
comments. We were disrupted moments before kick off and the natural
solution (Pontus) is also injured, so we had to re-arrange. Swansea may
well have lost 4 Premier standard players, but they're a good team
(they're 3rd for gods sake!) and it was a very good test which, having
weathered a bit of a storm, we finished far the better team and I've
seen penalties given before for the challenge on Bamford with 3 minutes
to go! But we'd ALL have settled for a point before for this game,
unless we're deluded.
I agree Saiz looked off the pace but, in his defence (And I did mention
this last week) every time he had the ball, he had 2 or 3 on him
INSTANTLY ... Teams will do this, WE have to find alternate routes. We
NEED another BIG centre half IMHO, Cooper and Pontus leaves not much
cover as was evident.
Put simply. We'd have lost this game last season 3-0. We didn't. We're
MILES better than we were last season, but we've still got work to do to
survive and dominate a season in the Championship. This is exactly why I
love the Championship over the Premier League.
On 21.08.2018 22:06, {broken-address} Richard Walker wrote:
There were so many things wrong with that performance but who cares ?
I was impressed by the way we ground out the result after we lost our
captain in the warm up. As the game went into the last 20 minutes I
thought we looked the fitter and more likely to score. Yes they had
the best chance of the game but they were playing on the counter. Our
attitude, fitness and positivity were there to see and there was
absolutely no doubt that we were getting something from that game.
That is a remarkable transformation from last season.
Let's look at the positives.
Taking Philips off after 25 mins was incredible. Have you ever known a
manager do that ? Philips was terrible was getting overrun and was on
a yellow. Moving Klitch back and putting on Baker was a great move. I
thought Baker made a difference and some of his passing was excellent
whereas Kiltch did everything Philips couldn't, winning the ball and
starting attacking moves with intelligent balls forward.
Shackleton was brilliant especially for the first goal and he isn't
scared to go forward.
Some of the football at times was great pass and move football.
The Hernandez goal was top class.
They had height and without Cooper we had none but we still challenged
and made it hard for them.
The negatives:
Kalvin Philips showing that against a team with pace that run at you
he will struggle.
Siaz for me was the biggest disappointment. He looked a yard short and
struggled all night by his high standards and he also got booked for
petulance late on. Same old Siaz.
Ayling is no centre back . He gave it his all but I thought he looked
out of his depth and was all over the place at times.
Scores for me:
Peacock - 7. I thought he could hace saved the first goal but he made
up with 2 good saves late on.
Shackleton - 8. Was under a lot of pressure when defending but came
through well. I love this lad.
Douglas - 6. I thought he also struggled a bit tonight
Ayling - 5. Not a centre back
Beradi - 8. Held us together at times and the way he wins the ball and
drives forward typifies our team at the moment.
Kiltch - 7. Steady, consistent - everything Philips wasn't.
Philips - 1. Awful.
Allioski - 3. Don't rate this lad. Just a shame Harrison didn't take
his chance.
Siaz - 5. Off the pace.
Roofe - 7. Got his goal and you can't argue with that.
Hernandes - 7. Frustrating at times the way he concedes possession but
that goal was unbelievable.
Subs:
Baker - 7. Definite promise with this lad.
Bamford - 7. I thought he looked sharper and his run and pass for the
2nd goal was great. He looks like a real striker.
Harrison - 4. Disappointing. Made some good runs but no end product.
Not writing him off but he needs to do better.
Bielsa - all 3 subs on by 60 minutes. that's risky and we've seen that
go wrong before but he went for it and it worked.
Very happy with us at the moment
TOP OF THE LEAGUE and WE'RE GOING UP AS F'CKING CHAMPIONS.
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Re: [LU] Swansea from the armchair
I agree with most of what RW has said - I think that Douglas was very poor, Harrison was lacking and Ayling is not a centre back - twice he got us into trouble when he went rampaging forward and left us (even) more lightweight at the back Comparisons with last season are inevitable and at times we did look like the team that fell away and failed so badly then BUT with one massive difference - this time we came from behind not once but twice, and got a point in a game during which for the most part we were second best. We did show some glimpses and flashes of the way we have been playing but last night was a long way from the style and pizzazz of the other games Full marks to MB for his substitutions - when he brought Phillips off I argued with my lad who said it was stupid to make a sub so early if he wasn't injured, I said I hoped it was indeed tactical and if it was it showed both an understanding of the game and a desire to do something about it. Phillips was having a shocker and he had already been booked so was on a knife edge. I can recall DoL sitting on his hands when we lost 2 0 at Sunderland - he had £30m of talent on the bench but sat like a rabbit in headlights and did nothing even though we all knew we were going to lose if he did not change things. Also I recall George Graham saying that managers often knew after a few minutes that they had things wrong but did not want to personnel until at least half time (preferrably not till 60mins) because to do so early was an admission that they had picked the wrong team So full marks to MB to having the nous and ability to know we needed to change and the bottle /lack of fear to do so. To then make two more changes to try and win the game is also to be applauded One last point on the game - if Saiz (back to his moaning worse) was booked for dissent how come McBurnie who argued over every decision and got right in the lino and ref's faces on two occasions did not get sent off ? ALthough to be fair he was MOM and a real handful Anyway top of the league despite having what was reported in the press on fixture day as the 'hardest start' of anyone in the Division ? I would have been happy with 4 pts at this stage (draw and win v Stoke and Rotherham and two defeats) Norwich now takes on an extra importance - was yesterday a reverting to type for certain players and the team as a whole or is it just one (of many) to be expected blips in a long hard season. We need Cooper and /or Janson to be fit sooner rather than later Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
Re: [LU] Swansea from the armchair
To be fair, of the 4 games we have had, 3 of our opponents are expected to be
challenging for the league. We were dealt a tough run of fixtures so it's
particularly pleasing that we sit unbeaten on top of the league.
I think that things will get difficult as the season develops, conditions
worsen and players tire, but for now I am getting on the Bielsa promotion fun
bus.
WGUAFC
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Original message
From: Alec McQueen
Date: 22/08/2018 10:03 (GMT+08:00)
To: Richard Naef
Cc: Leeds List , {broken-address} Richard Walker
Subject: Re: [LU] Swansea from the armchair
And against probably the best opposition we’ve met thus far. I think they
didn’t allow us to play the way we had first 3 games (or most of them), their
press seemed to unnerve us. Are other teams also going to figure this out: give
us less time, and we don’t play as well? I think this is especially true of
Saiz. Stop Saiz, stop Leeds?
I am also concerned about the injuries we are picking up... the high energy
style has some costs, and this is one of them...
I remember last year we were in a similar position... but we felt we had been
lucky. This time, the luck has been even... and we have played infinitely
better.
Cheers
Alec
> On 22 Aug 2018, at 11:19 am, Richard Naef
> wrote:
>
> Richard walker wrote:
> TOP OF THE LEAGUE and WE'RE GOING UP AS F'CKING CHAMPIONS.
>
>
> True dat!
>
> Played our poorest so far, but still showed flashes of brilliance, went
> behind twice, but never gave up, for that it's probably the most important
> result so far.
>
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Re: [LU] Swansea from the armchair
And against probably the best opposition we’ve met thus far. I think they didn’t allow us to play the way we had first 3 games (or most of them), their press seemed to unnerve us. Are other teams also going to figure this out: give us less time, and we don’t play as well? I think this is especially true of Saiz. Stop Saiz, stop Leeds? I am also concerned about the injuries we are picking up... the high energy style has some costs, and this is one of them... I remember last year we were in a similar position... but we felt we had been lucky. This time, the luck has been even... and we have played infinitely better. Cheers Alec > On 22 Aug 2018, at 11:19 am, Richard Naef > wrote: > > Richard walker wrote: > TOP OF THE LEAGUE and WE'RE GOING UP AS F'CKING CHAMPIONS. > > > True dat! > > Played our poorest so far, but still showed flashes of brilliance, went > behind twice, but never gave up, for that it's probably the most important > result so far. > > Sent from my mobile > > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ > > RIP Jimmy WAC-COE ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
Re: [LU] Swansea from the armchair
Richard walker wrote: TOP OF THE LEAGUE and WE'RE GOING UP AS F'CKING CHAMPIONS. True dat! Played our poorest so far, but still showed flashes of brilliance, went behind twice, but never gave up, for that it's probably the most important result so far. Sent from my mobile ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
Re: [LU] Swansea from the armchair
Pretty much sums up my views, but I’ll add that Harrison does not look like a
winger to me? I don’t know what he brings tbh. Good result in a game which
circumstance (Cooper) and our naive defending (2 at the back too often for
comfort) made quite tricky. I think we can pretty much assume that running
around alot is not going to be a surprise any more. Saiz - brought back views
from last season with his whining! Needs to stop!
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> On 21 Aug 2018, at 23:06, {broken-address} Richard Walker
> wrote:
>
> There were so many things wrong with that performance but who cares ? I was
> impressed by the way we ground out the result after we lost our captain in
> the warm up. As the game went into the last 20 minutes I thought we looked
> the fitter and more likely to score. Yes they had the best chance of the game
> but they were playing on the counter. Our attitude, fitness and positivity
> were there to see and there was absolutely no doubt that we were getting
> something from that game. That is a remarkable transformation from last
> season.
> Let's look at the positives.
> Taking Philips off after 25 mins was incredible. Have you ever known a
> manager do that ? Philips was terrible was getting overrun and was on a
> yellow. Moving Klitch back and putting on Baker was a great move. I thought
> Baker made a difference and some of his passing was excellent whereas Kiltch
> did everything Philips couldn't, winning the ball and starting attacking
> moves with intelligent balls forward.
> Shackleton was brilliant especially for the first goal and he isn't scared to
> go forward.
> Some of the football at times was great pass and move football.
> The Hernandez goal was top class.
> They had height and without Cooper we had none but we still challenged and
> made it hard for them.
> The negatives:
> Kalvin Philips showing that against a team with pace that run at you he will
> struggle.
> Siaz for me was the biggest disappointment. He looked a yard short and
> struggled all night by his high standards and he also got booked for
> petulance late on. Same old Siaz.
> Ayling is no centre back . He gave it his all but I thought he looked out of
> his depth and was all over the place at times.
> Scores for me:
> Peacock - 7. I thought he could hace saved the first goal but he made up with
> 2 good saves late on.
> Shackleton - 8. Was under a lot of pressure when defending but came through
> well. I love this lad.
> Douglas - 6. I thought he also struggled a bit tonight
> Ayling - 5. Not a centre back
> Beradi - 8. Held us together at times and the way he wins the ball and drives
> forward typifies our team at the moment.
> Kiltch - 7. Steady, consistent - everything Philips wasn't.
> Philips - 1. Awful.
> Allioski - 3. Don't rate this lad. Just a shame Harrison didn't take his
> chance.
> Siaz - 5. Off the pace.
> Roofe - 7. Got his goal and you can't argue with that.
> Hernandes - 7. Frustrating at times the way he concedes possession but that
> goal was unbelievable.
> Subs:
> Baker - 7. Definite promise with this lad.
> Bamford - 7. I thought he looked sharper and his run and pass for the 2nd
> goal was great. He looks like a real striker.
> Harrison - 4. Disappointing. Made some good runs but no end product. Not
> writing him off but he needs to do better.
> Bielsa - all 3 subs on by 60 minutes. that's risky and we've seen that go
> wrong before but he went for it and it worked.
> Very happy with us at the moment
> TOP OF THE LEAGUE and WE'RE GOING UP AS F'CKING CHAMPIONS.
>
>
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[LU] Swansea from the armchair
There were so many things wrong with that performance but who cares ? I was impressed by the way we ground out the result after we lost our captain in the warm up. As the game went into the last 20 minutes I thought we looked the fitter and more likely to score. Yes they had the best chance of the game but they were playing on the counter. Our attitude, fitness and positivity were there to see and there was absolutely no doubt that we were getting something from that game. That is a remarkable transformation from last season. Let's look at the positives. Taking Philips off after 25 mins was incredible. Have you ever known a manager do that ? Philips was terrible was getting overrun and was on a yellow. Moving Klitch back and putting on Baker was a great move. I thought Baker made a difference and some of his passing was excellent whereas Kiltch did everything Philips couldn't, winning the ball and starting attacking moves with intelligent balls forward. Shackleton was brilliant especially for the first goal and he isn't scared to go forward. Some of the football at times was great pass and move football. The Hernandez goal was top class. They had height and without Cooper we had none but we still challenged and made it hard for them. The negatives: Kalvin Philips showing that against a team with pace that run at you he will struggle. Siaz for me was the biggest disappointment. He looked a yard short and struggled all night by his high standards and he also got booked for petulance late on. Same old Siaz. Ayling is no centre back . He gave it his all but I thought he looked out of his depth and was all over the place at times. Scores for me: Peacock - 7. I thought he could hace saved the first goal but he made up with 2 good saves late on. Shackleton - 8. Was under a lot of pressure when defending but came through well. I love this lad. Douglas - 6. I thought he also struggled a bit tonight Ayling - 5. Not a centre back Beradi - 8. Held us together at times and the way he wins the ball and drives forward typifies our team at the moment. Kiltch - 7. Steady, consistent - everything Philips wasn't. Philips - 1. Awful. Allioski - 3. Don't rate this lad. Just a shame Harrison didn't take his chance. Siaz - 5. Off the pace. Roofe - 7. Got his goal and you can't argue with that. Hernandes - 7. Frustrating at times the way he concedes possession but that goal was unbelievable. Subs: Baker - 7. Definite promise with this lad. Bamford - 7. I thought he looked sharper and his run and pass for the 2nd goal was great. He looks like a real striker. Harrison - 4. Disappointing. Made some good runs but no end product. Not writing him off but he needs to do better. Bielsa - all 3 subs on by 60 minutes. that's risky and we've seen that go wrong before but he went for it and it worked. Very happy with us at the moment TOP OF THE LEAGUE and WE'RE GOING UP AS F'CKING CHAMPIONS. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
[LU] Swansea v Leeds on Cable
BeIn Sports in Australia 4.45Am EST, so I presume all other cable channels around the world too OzPete ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
[LU] Swansea game live
P2P link for Swansea game: http://www.magedtv.net/ch2.html Regards Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
[LU] Swansea
All's well that ends well pretty much sums up this game from our point of view. Compared to Watford it was a classic, and to be honest it was a decent enough game with lots of good football on display and it was a game that ebbed and flowed with both teams looking dodgy at times and very much in the ascendancy at others. We started well - with Gradel replacing Sam as the only non enforced change, and one that seemed harsh on Sam. Becchio had a decent chance thwarted by a great last ditch tackle \ block and then put an easy header well wide and over - a bad miss. Things were looking good for us until a fairly aimless ball over the top caught Naylor in a bad position body wise and he fell over in his attempt to clear it and it ran through to the forward who scored. I thought he finished it well but there were those around me who felt that Kasper would have saved it. Whatever the truth Higgs certainly 'redeemed himself' and showed that he is an excellent back up keeper with a great one on one stop and then a diving tip round the post as we were given the run around by a lively Swansea team for the next 20mins or so. Watt looked totally out of sorts, he neither helped out the midfield as part of a 5, nor gave Becchio support as part of a front two. On one occasion he was so easily outstripped by the Swansea player it looked like he was jogging on the spot. Johnson has replaced Doyle as my sons 'pet hate' - I think he has been taking lessons from RW and once you start picking on a player it is easy to find fault since most of them make more errors than they do good things at this level. Johnson was fairly poor and is definitely a weak link and whilst one surging run and tremendous shot that cannoned off the bar brought applause from most in the crowd my lad shouted -"it's still a miss Johnson". At half time some morons even booed the team off - incredible. We all felt that changes had to be made very quickly if things were to improve and the general consensus was 'bring on McCormack for Watt and Sam for Johnson" 10mins in and SG did make a change taking off the hapless Watt and bringing on Sam. this allowed Gradel to get further forward, which he did to great effect. Up until then Gradel had been over-complicating everything, taking on too many players and being too slow to pass \ cross the ball, but that all changed, and Sam looked a class act on the wing. We upped the tempo and passion and soon a cross from Gradel was well met by Naylor but was straight at the keeper who parried it to Johnson who lashed it into the roof of the net - cue abuse aimed at my son. About 10 minutes later Gradel got to the byline, looked up and pulled the ball back to Sam (who had failed to shoot in a similar position a few minutes before) who shot well but again the keeper parried, this time it fell to Kilkenny whose mis-hit shot was going nowhere until it ricocheted off Howson and fell to Becchio a few yards out and we all (RW inc) know he is deadly from that range. Becchio celebrated like a huge weight had been lifted. A ball over the top then found Becchio but it bounced off him and became a 50/50 between him and the keeper. Becchio went in, possibly late and studs up but I thought he had every right to go for it - the keeper took great exception and hurled the ball right into Becchio's face from a yard away and then rolled on the floor in agony. A few players then got involved in handbags. Gradel went to the lino and imitated throwing the ball and the lino nodded and said he had seen it and went to speak to ref. The ref booked Becchio and then turned to the nearly dead keeper still writhing on the deck with 2 broken legs and a few cracked ribs. Got to be red, got to be red we all agreed, but the ref bottled it and pulled out a yellow card, a yellow card with magic properties since it cured all the keepers injuries ! We were not amused and it is that sort of play acting and indefensible refereeing that taints the game. McCormack came on for Kilkenny and showed a few good touches and excellent movement and at the end a totally knackered Becchio was replaced by Somma who also looked decent in the few minutes plus 5 added on that he was on the pitch. So a 2 -1 win and the half time boos replaced by cheering. Bessone is still a liability, Johnson not good enough and Naylor making too many errors, but overall we looked good at times. Unlike Rich I like Connolly and Collins, both no nonsense safety first old fashioned defenders. Watt will need to play a lot better if he is to keep his place in the team, and Max and Sam will terrorise defences when they are on form. Grayson again proving he is the man for the job. 2 big game coming up and lots of selection headaches coming his way Looking forward to Tuesday and the mass influx of Leeds fans into Barnsley (6,700 sold ) Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.
Re: [LU] Swansea
Thanks for the report Rich, much appreciated. I read your comments about Collins standing off the man and performing last ditch tackles, I seem to remember a certain South African legend doing the same during his stint in our side and it seemed to work for him. Maybe that's the way he's being coached? I haven't been to ER for a long time now but from the List's musings it seems that Grayson is one of the most tactically aware managers in this division. He also however seems to have a team that starts many games badly and then rescues them. Maybe he's not getting enough pre-match info on the opposition and getting this to the players or possibly he relies on the mantra of "We'll play our game and let them worry about us"? Maybe it's time for some Don style dossiers??? Whatever it is, the team seems to be progressing but our current league position seems to flatter our play according to match reports. If that's true, then I'm happy for it to be flattering all the way to May! -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Richard Walker Sent: 12 September 2010 08:41 To: leedslist Subject: [LU] Swansea Grayson got his tactics all wrong today. Fair play to him for eventually changing them and changing the result but I hope he learnt some things today that he wont repeat. He went 4-4-2 with Watt and Becchio up front, Johnson on the left and our best and most lively player, Gradel on the right. It didnt work, why ? Basically, there was a lack of pace. Gradel, the only one with pace was up against a tenacious Swansea left back who really gave him a run for his money. First 10 minutes wasnt too bad actually, we passed it around a bit and created the best chances both of them falling to Becchio. The first a good move ended up with Becchios shot being deflected for a corner then the second, a corner saw Becchio unmarked with a free header from just outside the 6 yard box, he headed it into the top of the South stand, a really bad miss and he knew it. Then Swansea scored. They hadnt really been in the game, but had just started to pass the ball around. A simple ball through should have been easily cut out by Naylor but he got himself in an off-balance muddle where he couldnt decide whether to kick it or control it he did neither and the Swansea forward was through on goal. I might be being a bit harsh here but I thought Higgs (Casper injured apparently) made it very easy for him by sticking to his near post leaving a big gap to his left which is exactly where he placed the ball. 1-0. The Swansea fans went loopy. Swansea then took total control of the game, their only crime was that they didnt make their superior play count. They had their chances as they completely outclassed us on and off the ball. Higgs made two outstanding saves to keep us in it, one another one on one through bad defending which he did well with his feet, the second he tipped around the post after a good shot. Grayson looked lost on the bench. We were terrible all over the pitch. Up front Watt and Becchio just never worked, neither has any pace so they were not making runs and were completely ineffective. You wont see that partnership again this season (I hope !). On the left wing Johnson showed us yet again he isnt a left winger. He did have one or two moments though and hit the bar with a good effort and also played a great cross which picked out an unmarked white shirt in the box, unfortunately that white shirt was Kilkenny whose header looped over the bar. On the right Gradel was lively but hed met his match with their left back, it was a good scrap but effectively it nullified our best player. In the middle of the park Kilkenny and Howson just never got into the game and when they did they just lost possession particularly Howson who just kept getting the ball stuck under his feet. At the back we were atrocious, Collins and Bessone cannot defend and I think they are both a liability. I was watching Collins closely, he stands off his man and lets them play as if hes scared to tackle but then tries to make up by performing some heroic last ditch tackle. He needs replacing quick. Bessone is a disaster, Swansea had the freedom of the right side of the park. At the final whistle he looked like hed just won the cup final as he was playing against his old club, no thanks to him. Naylor was the only defender in the back four doing any tackling. So 1-0 down at the break, outplayed and clueless, there was only one solution and that was Grayson change the formation. He didnt ! Ive noticed Grayson is a manger who obviously gives them a boll*cking and then gives them 10 minutes to change their ways before he changes it, he very rarely makes half time tactical changes. Second half started the same as the first ended with Swansea completely in control and us looking lost. Watt went from an ineffe
[LU] Swansea
Grayson got his tactics all wrong today. Fair play to him for eventually changing them and changing the result but I hope he learnt some things today that he won’t repeat. He went 4-4-2 with Watt and Becchio up front, Johnson on the left and our best and most lively player, Gradel on the right. It didn’t work, why ? Basically, there was a lack of pace. Gradel, the only one with pace was up against a tenacious Swansea left back who really gave him a run for his money. First 10 minutes wasn’t too bad actually, we passed it around a bit and created the best chances both of them falling to Becchio. The first a good move ended up with Becchio’s shot being deflected for a corner then the second, a corner saw Becchio unmarked with a free header from just outside the 6 yard box, he headed it into the top of the South stand, a really bad miss and he knew it. Then Swansea scored. They hadn’t really been in the game, but had just started to pass the ball around. A simple ball through should have been easily cut out by Naylor but he got himself in an off-balance muddle where he couldn’t decide whether to kick it or control it – he did neither and the Swansea forward was through on goal. I might be being a bit harsh here but I thought Higgs (Casper injured apparently) made it very easy for him by sticking to his near post leaving a big gap to his left which is exactly where he placed the ball. 1-0. The Swansea fans went loopy. Swansea then took total control of the game, their only crime was that they didn’t make their superior play count. They had their chances as they completely outclassed us on and off the ball. Higgs made two outstanding saves to keep us in it, one another one on one through bad defending which he did well with his feet, the second he tipped around the post after a good shot. Grayson looked lost on the bench. We were terrible all over the pitch. Up front Watt and Becchio just never worked, neither has any pace so they were not making runs and were completely ineffective. You won’t see that partnership again this season (I hope !). On the left wing Johnson showed us yet again he isn’t a left winger. He did have one or two moments though and hit the bar with a good effort and also played a great cross which picked out an unmarked white shirt in the box, unfortunately that white shirt was Kilkenny whose header looped over the bar. On the right Gradel was lively but he’d met his match with their left back, it was a good scrap but effectively it nullified our best player. In the middle of the park Kilkenny and Howson just never got into the game and when they did they just lost possession particularly Howson who just kept getting the ball stuck under his feet. At the back we were atrocious, Collins and Bessone cannot defend and I think they are both a liability. I was watching Collins closely, he stands off his man and lets them play as if he’s scared to tackle but then tries to make up by performing some heroic last ditch tackle. He needs replacing quick. Bessone is a disaster, Swansea had the freedom of the right side of the park. At the final whistle he looked like he’d just won the cup final as he was playing against his old club, no thanks to him. Naylor was the only defender in the back four doing any tackling. So 1-0 down at the break, outplayed and clueless, there was only one solution and that was Grayson change the formation. He didn’t ! I’ve noticed Grayson is a manger who obviously gives them a boll*cking and then gives them 10 minutes to change their ways before he changes it, he very rarely makes half time tactical changes. Second half started the same as the first ended with Swansea completely in control and us looking lost. Watt went from an ineffective performance to a player who couldn’t do anything right, he was lost alongside Becchio and the partnership just crumbled. Swansea should have been out of sight by now and I think they only have themselves to blame. At every opportunity since they went 1 up they were looking to time waste. Really strange, negative tactics and I think their negative attitude and our positive attitude was the main reason they lost this game. So after 50 odd minutes Grayson dragged Watt off to be replaced Sam and reverted to his 4-3-3 with Watt on the right and Gradel over to the left. This change won us the game. Swansea continued to have more possession but we were now much more effective on the break and were playing as the away team. Sam made an immediate impact. It was a strange decision not to start Sam as for me he is not only our top goalscorer but best player. He looked a different class today when he came on, lots of time on the ball making possession seem effortless and allowing others to get into space as he dragged the black shirts towards him. Meanwhile Gradel was getting all sorts of space on the right wing and just ran Swansea ragged on the break.
