[LUTE] Some thoughts on accessibility of original sources of music (was Morley's canzonets with lute 1597)
Dear fellow lutenists, I think that all the libraries that have documents of cultural interest should digitalize their collections and make them freely available to everybody. Most of these libraries that hold old books are state organizations finanzed by the central or regional governments and at the end of the days they dont make much money selling a few old-fashioned microfilms a year. These books belong to humanity because they are an important part of the world's cultural heritage and for that reason these library should encourage people to study and learn from them. In our case, music, it is even more important since music becomes real and serves its purpose only when performed. Music stored in the shelves of an old library has no value by itself. An exemplary example is the library of Copenhagen I told you about some days ago that own the Vecchi's canzonettas. The have all their important documents freely available to everybody in PDF. I requested the Biblioteca della musica di Bologna to make a copy of a lute book that I can not find anywhere else. I was really discouraged to learn that they charge 112 for a loan of the microfilm! It will take a lot of time and they even accept credit-cards for payment. Then I will have to go to the local library and make copies of each page of the microfilm for 20 cents a copy. To much money and complication! It should be much easier. Don't you think? The Biblioteca Centrale of Bologna holds one of the best lute collections in the world and, at least by e-mail, it is not possible to even get a reply from them. If I ever become president of my country, my first pronouncement would be: Free facsimiles for everybody! ;) Many greetings to all of you, Alfonso Marin On 10-apr-2007, at 2:14, Stephan Olbertz wrote: > Am 7 Apr 2007 um 18:13 hat Daniel F Heiman geschrieben: > >> Should the LSA digitize all the films in the Library? Nice idea. >> Requires quite a bit of (volunteer?) time by someone. Then what? >> Sell them on CD or by file download? May run into objections from >> the libraries that own the original publications and could be >> damaging >> to publishing houses like Minkoff that sell facsimiles. > > As far as I understand there are some options for giving only > limited access to pdfs, > like view-only etc. > > Regards, > > Stephan > > > > > > > > > > >> >> Other suggestions? >> >> Daniel Heiman >> >> On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 08:39:24 +0200 "Spring, aus dem, Rainer" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Arthur Ness [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 11:52 PM >>> To: adS; lutelist Net >>> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Morleys Canzonets with lute 1597 >>> What is 17 years old? The list? The microfilm? >>> The list. >>> >>> Rainer >>> >>> CONFIDENTIALITY DISCLAIMER >>> *** >>> The information in this email and in any attachments is confidential >>> and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, >>> please destroy this message, delete any copies held on your systems >>> and notify the sender immediately. You should not retain, copy or >>> use this email for any purpose outside of any NDA currently existing >>> between Toshiba Electronics Europe GmbH and yourselves. >>> >>> Toshiba Electronics Europe GmbH >>> Hansaallee 181- 40549 Düsseldorf >>> Handelsregister Düsseldorf HRB 22487 >>> Geschäftsführer: Ryoichi Shikama >>> Amtsgericht Düsseldorf >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> To get on or off this list see list information at >>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > >
[LUTE] Re: Morleys Canzonets with lute 1597
Witch can be unprotected in 5 seconds!!! Greetings, Alfonso On 10-apr-2007, at 2:14, Stephan Olbertz wrote: > Am 7 Apr 2007 um 18:13 hat Daniel F Heiman geschrieben: > >> Should the LSA digitize all the films in the Library? Nice idea. >> Requires quite a bit of (volunteer?) time by someone. Then what? >> Sell them on CD or by file download? May run into objections from >> the libraries that own the original publications and could be >> damaging >> to publishing houses like Minkoff that sell facsimiles. > > As far as I understand there are some options for giving only > limited access to pdfs, > like view-only etc. > > Regards, > > Stephan > > > > > > > > > > >> >> Other suggestions? >> >> Daniel Heiman >> >> On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 08:39:24 +0200 "Spring, aus dem, Rainer" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Arthur Ness [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 11:52 PM >>> To: adS; lutelist Net >>> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Morleys Canzonets with lute 1597 >>> What is 17 years old? The list? The microfilm? >>> The list. >>> >>> Rainer >>> >>> CONFIDENTIALITY DISCLAIMER >>> *** >>> The information in this email and in any attachments is confidential >>> and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, >>> please destroy this message, delete any copies held on your systems >>> and notify the sender immediately. You should not retain, copy or >>> use this email for any purpose outside of any NDA currently existing >>> between Toshiba Electronics Europe GmbH and yourselves. >>> >>> Toshiba Electronics Europe GmbH >>> Hansaallee 181- 40549 Düsseldorf >>> Handelsregister Düsseldorf HRB 22487 >>> Geschäftsführer: Ryoichi Shikama >>> Amtsgericht Düsseldorf >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> To get on or off this list see list information at >>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > >
[LUTE] Re: Morleys Canzonets with lute 1597
Am 7 Apr 2007 um 18:13 hat Daniel F Heiman geschrieben: > Should the LSA digitize all the films in the Library? Nice idea. > Requires quite a bit of (volunteer?) time by someone. Then what? > Sell them on CD or by file download? May run into objections from > the libraries that own the original publications and could be damaging > to publishing houses like Minkoff that sell facsimiles. As far as I understand there are some options for giving only limited access to pdfs, like view-only etc. Regards, Stephan > > Other suggestions? > > Daniel Heiman > > On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 08:39:24 +0200 "Spring, aus dem, Rainer" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > -Original Message- > > From: Arthur Ness [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 11:52 PM > > To: adS; lutelist Net > > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Morleys Canzonets with lute 1597 > > > > >What is 17 years old? The list? The microfilm? > > The list. > > > > Rainer > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY DISCLAIMER > > *** > > The information in this email and in any attachments is confidential > > and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, > > please destroy this message, delete any copies held on your systems > > and notify the sender immediately. You should not retain, copy or > > use this email for any purpose outside of any NDA currently existing > > between Toshiba Electronics Europe GmbH and yourselves. > > > > Toshiba Electronics Europe GmbH > > Hansaallee 181- 40549 Düsseldorf > > Handelsregister Düsseldorf HRB 22487 > > Geschäftsführer: Ryoichi Shikama > > Amtsgericht Düsseldorf > > > > > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > > > > >
[LUTE] F1 and theorbo... ;-)
I answered: > > We should start a lute & F1 society, perhaps? ;-) > > I'll join that club immediately! :) > (Räikkönen and Kovalainen are Finns, Rosberg half Finn... > and yes, I have to watch every race... :-) And so every 200th Finn is a Formula 1 driver! ;) (500/2.5 = 200) And it is much more common to play the theorbo! ;)) Arto -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Busking on the Lute.
That's also something for me... (Sauber comes from Switzerland...) Andreas Am 09.04.2007 um 20:13 schrieb Arto Wikla: > > On Mon, 9 Apr 2007, LGS-Europe wrote: > >> We should start a lute & F1 society, perhaps? ;-) > > I'll join that club immediately! :) > (Räikkönen and Kovalainen are Finns, Rosberg half Finn... > and yes, I have to watch every race... :-) > > Arto > -- > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: An interesting article in the Washington post.
On Apr 9, 2007, at 1:27 PM, LGS-Europe wrote: > Anybody considered that busking is quite a different sport from giving > concerts in concert halls? Captivating one's audience is quite > different, I > imagine. Absolutely. One thing that WP article did point out effectively was that no-one stops for virtuosos. That may be what draws people to concert halls, but on the street you have to have more than that in order to attract attention. And actually, there are legitimate venues for outdoor musicians. Picture the urban landscape: city parks on a Sunday afternoon, crowds lining up to get into the theatre, organized events such as street fairs, block parties etc. And yes, people do stop and listen. Ask any journalist at the Washington Post where to go to hear street musicians in DC. They'll tell you all kinds of interesting stuff, but will any of them tell you the subway? David Rastall [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.rastallmusic.com -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Busking on the Lute.
On Mon, 9 Apr 2007, LGS-Europe wrote: > We should start a lute & F1 society, perhaps? ;-) I'll join that club immediately! :) (Räikkönen and Kovalainen are Finns, Rosberg half Finn... and yes, I have to watch every race... :-) Arto -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: An interesting article in the Washington post.
David wrote: > >Don't be taken in by what you read in the Washington Post. That >article tells me more about journalists than it does about commuters. And I don't know about anyone else, but when I'm commuting in the truest sense of the word it's usually rush hour and I'm trying to get to my train to get to work. I have no time to listen to some busker in the hall on the way to my train, and they're not standing on my side of the turnstile so buskers in the DC Metro don't really have a captive audience of people waiting for a train. Even if it's not rush hour I still have places to go, and in the words of Danny Kaye I want to "get in, got on with it, and get out". I agree with David, journalistic twaddle. Regards, Craig _ Need personalized email and website? Look no further. It's easy with Doteasy $0 Web Hosting! Learn more at www.doteasy.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: An interesting article in the Washington post.
Anybody considered that busking is quite a different sport from giving concerts in concert halls? Captivating one's audience is quite different, I imagine. David - Original Message - From: "David Rastall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Chris Bolton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 7:23 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: An interesting article in the Washington post. > On Apr 9, 2007, at 11:34 AM, Chris Bolton wrote: > >> I had to admit to myself that I've been guilty of the same >> phenomenon as >> described in the following article, but I've decided to keep >> listening and >> plucking away in spite of the somewhat depressing state of affairs. >> Is it just a romantic notion that life as a lute player would have >> been >> easier under the patronage of the Medici? > > The thing that amused me the most about that article was the fact > that Bell himself was freaked out because no-one was paying any > attention to him. That must have been a strange experience for a > world-class concert virtuoso! > > The article itself was pretentious journalistic crap...I mean: how > stupid! Hey, guys, let's play some candid camera! You hide the > camera, and I'll mill around in the crowd and question people about > their reactions to this guy playing the violin. If anybody asks, no > problem! I'll tell them I'm doing an article on commuting. What the > hell, it's almost true, right? > > Don't be taken in by what you read in the Washington Post. That > article tells me more about journalists than it does about commuters. > > You can be certain that thousands of commuters have paid good money > to see Joshua Bell perform in his proper sphere: the concert stage. > So nobody stopped to listen to him in the subway. Rest assured: > there is still a concert stage out there, and always will be. > > David Rastall > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > www.rastallmusic.com > > > > -- > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
[LUTE] Re: Busking on the Lute.
> Greetings one and all from Axel. In 2002 I attended the Grand Prix of > Europe Welcome to the not so select club of lute players that like F1 racing. An unlikely combination that has many followers in my cirlce of lute friends. I recall many a Sunday afternoon spend watching the race with a fellow lute player, drinking some beers, eating shrimps and discussing gut strings, comparing the concentration of Schumi with that needed playing a lute concert. Most race Sundays another lute playing friend will give me call in the evening to discuss the race. And while rehearsing the Terzi duets with my duet partner our language would be borrowed largely from the race world. We should start a lute & F1 society, perhaps? ;-) David To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: An interesting article in the Washington post.
On Apr 9, 2007, at 11:34 AM, Chris Bolton wrote: > I had to admit to myself that I've been guilty of the same > phenomenon as > described in the following article, but I've decided to keep > listening and > plucking away in spite of the somewhat depressing state of affairs. > Is it just a romantic notion that life as a lute player would have > been > easier under the patronage of the Medici? The thing that amused me the most about that article was the fact that Bell himself was freaked out because no-one was paying any attention to him. That must have been a strange experience for a world-class concert virtuoso! The article itself was pretentious journalistic crap...I mean: how stupid! Hey, guys, let's play some candid camera! You hide the camera, and I'll mill around in the crowd and question people about their reactions to this guy playing the violin. If anybody asks, no problem! I'll tell them I'm doing an article on commuting. What the hell, it's almost true, right? Don't be taken in by what you read in the Washington Post. That article tells me more about journalists than it does about commuters. You can be certain that thousands of commuters have paid good money to see Joshua Bell perform in his proper sphere: the concert stage. So nobody stopped to listen to him in the subway. Rest assured: there is still a concert stage out there, and always will be. David Rastall [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.rastallmusic.com -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Busking on the Lute.
This is very encouraging - I just need to buy a cowboy hat... On 9 Apr 2007, at 18:11, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Greetings one and all from Axel. In 2002 I attended the Grand Prix > of Europe > at the Nurburgring in Germany's Eiffel Mountains. Early in the > morning on > race day, I pulled out my lute and started practicing near the > gift shop and > cafe. Bring a really obnoxious tourist who spent his childhood in > Germany, I > wore my American Flag shirt (obtained from the Indianapolis Motor > Speedway) and > my dark brown cowboy hat. It was getting warm so I took my cowboy > hat off > and began playing my simple Newsidler pieces. To my surprise, > people from > around the world would listed for second and would drop money > into the cowboy > hat. Eventually, I had enough money to buy breakfast and get some > trinkets on > The Grand Prix of Europe from the gift shop, Some people stayed > around for the > duration of the music. To those people I explained that some lute > music was > written in a tablature known as German lute tablature. They > seemed very > pleased. My apologies to my fellow lutenists, I hope that the > Formula One world > community does not think that all lute players are Black Men who > wear their > nation's flag and traditional head gear while playing lute at the > Grand Prix. > Of course I am no Joshua Bell, but all was much fun and a good > time was had by > all. > > > > > ** See what's free at http:// > www.aol.com. > > -- > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Busking on the Lute.
Greetings one and all from Axel. In 2002 I attended the Grand Prix of Europe at the Nurburgring in Germany's Eiffel Mountains. Early in the morning on race day, I pulled out my lute and started practicing near the gift shop and cafe. Bring a really obnoxious tourist who spent his childhood in Germany, I wore my American Flag shirt (obtained from the Indianapolis Motor Speedway) and my dark brown cowboy hat. It was getting warm so I took my cowboy hat off and began playing my simple Newsidler pieces. To my surprise, people from around the world would listed for second and would drop money into the cowboy hat. Eventually, I had enough money to buy breakfast and get some trinkets on The Grand Prix of Europe from the gift shop, Some people stayed around for the duration of the music. To those people I explained that some lute music was written in a tablature known as German lute tablature. They seemed very pleased. My apologies to my fellow lutenists, I hope that the Formula One world community does not think that all lute players are Black Men who wear their nation's flag and traditional head gear while playing lute at the Grand Prix. Of course I am no Joshua Bell, but all was much fun and a good time was had by all. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: An interesting article in the Washington post.
20-plus years ago i saw nigel kennedy do the same thing in a pedestrian passageway under hammersmith circle in london. he was dressed up to look like the character on the cover of the "aqualung" album by jethro tull. i put some money in his hat and listened for while but i'm sure very few others did. reading a book about pius II (piccolomini) which states that as a student in rome, the 15th cent. humanist antonio beccadelli (13941471) called il panormita, used to busk with his lyre while his boyfriend, ergotele, sang. i always give money to buskers - especially those reserved enough to play on a take-it or leave-it basis. thanks for that - great article. --- Chris Bolton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I had to admit to myself that I've been guilty of > the same phenomenon as > described in the following article, but I've decided > to keep listening and > plucking away in spite of the somewhat depressing > state of affairs. > Is it just a romantic notion that life as a lute > player would have been > easier under the patronage of the Medici? > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/04/AR2007040401721.html > > -- > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > http://earlymusiccharango.blogspot.com/ ___ New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Yahoo! Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk
[LUTE] Re: An interesting article in the Washington post.
Has anyone on the list has attempted busking with a lute? Andrew On 9 Apr 2007, at 16:34, Chris Bolton wrote: > I had to admit to myself that I've been guilty of the same > phenomenon as > described in the following article, but I've decided to keep > listening and > plucking away in spite of the somewhat depressing state of affairs. > Is it just a romantic notion that life as a lute player would have > been > easier under the patronage of the Medici? > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/04/ > AR2007040401721.html > > -- > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] An interesting article in the Washington post.
I had to admit to myself that I've been guilty of the same phenomenon as described in the following article, but I've decided to keep listening and plucking away in spite of the somewhat depressing state of affairs. Is it just a romantic notion that life as a lute player would have been easier under the patronage of the Medici? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/04/AR2007040401721.html -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: No Humour please, were (at the) BRITish (awards)
>> I looked in vain for Mark's "Citternists of Penzance" band nomination >> for >> their album "Arf, arf". Hopefully next time. >> Could't help it. >> RT >> > > Hi Roman, > > As you will probably noticed, I did not write the article, I am flabbergasted. Yet another voice from the wensledale gallery. RT == http://polyhymnion.org/swv Feci quod potui. Faciant meliora potentes. _ Need personalized email and website? Look no further. It's easy with Doteasy $0 Web Hosting! Learn more at www.doteasy.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: No Humour please, were (at the) BRITish (awards)
In einer eMail vom 09.04.2007 01:18:15 Westeurop=E4ische Normalzeit schreibt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > mark ... what are you on about? Hi, I didn't write the article, just wanted to show that the world outside may not see the "Sting" thing so positively as some here may view it. That's alll folks. Mark -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: No Humour please, were (at the) BRITish (awards)
In einer eMail vom 09.04.2007 01:09:30 Westeurop=E4ische Normalzeit schreibt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > I looked in vain for Mark's "Citternists of Penzance" band nomination for > their album "Arf, arf". Hopefully next time. > Could't help it. > RT > Hi Roman, As you will probably noticed, I did not write the article, bit I do feel for you if the reality out there is too hard for you. But if we were to play some sort of cross-over as you seem to infer ( a genre that does not interest me at all) then we would have a big chance. Here are some of the nominees that sting is up against for the Brit Classic Album of the year... All Angels All Angels ( a "girl group" who sing pop songs and some classical evergreens) Katherine Jenkins Serenade ( a nice looking gal singing pop classics) Libera Angel Voices (Easy listening choir singing classical favorites with nice new lyrics, to keep your nan warm by the fire) The Fron Male Voice Choir Voices from the Valley ( A welsh choir singing unchained melody etc) Sadly we use HIP instruments and techniques, very little chance of ever being nominated, But even if that happened, maybe the same will happen to us as Joachim Held. He won a Echo here in Germany award for his latest lute CD and on the television presentation of the award you didn't see or hear about him, instead someone fumbled around on a single strung archlute All the best Mark -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
