Re: google docs on an old Mac

[Brad Snyder]

Try using Google Chrome when using Google Docs.


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On Nov 16, 2023, at 20:29, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

I should probably have been more specific when I first posted this question. on 
my Mac running Catalina I’d like to download a shared google doc if that’s 
possible. I can read it but can’t figure out how to download it if that’s even 
possible. Google docs didn’t like my browser because I’m running catalina so I 
switched to Firefox which it didn’t complain about but it didn’t improve my 
experience either.

Lorie

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google docs on an old Mac

[Lorie McCloud]

I should probably have been more specific when I first posted this question. on 
my Mac running Catalina I’d like to download a shared google doc if that’s 
possible. I can read it but can’t figure out how to download it if that’s even 
possible. Google docs didn’t like my browser because I’m running catalina so I 
switched to Firefox which it didn’t complain about but it didn’t improve my 
experience either.

Lorie

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Google docs

[Lorie McCloud]

I’m trying to figure out how to download a document shared with me on Google 
docs. can I download it from there or do I have to send it to drive first?

thanks.
Lorie

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Re: Google Docs better with Chrome or Safari?

[Herbie Allen]

Chrome
.

> On Jun 23, 2022, at 14:55, minh Tam ha  wrote:
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> Hello all,
> 
> My new job works exclusively on Google Workspace and I'm trying to keep work 
> tasks confined to Google Chrome on the Mac. However, Docs does not seem to be 
> behaving very well, particularly when connected to a Braille display (I 
> recognize that Braille support is pretty atrocious for Google Docs anyway.) 
> I've also tried Google Docs with Safari and the experience is slightly more 
> tolerable, but still not fantastic. Do you have any preference/tips on which 
> browser to use? for a less frustrating experience?
> 
> Thanks,
> Minh
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Google Docs better with Chrome or Safari?

[minh Tam ha]

Hello all,

My new job works exclusively on Google Workspace and I'm trying to keep
work tasks confined to Google Chrome on the Mac. However, Docs does not
seem to be behaving very well, particularly when connected to a Braille
display (I recognize that Braille support is pretty atrocious for Google
Docs anyway.) I've also tried Google Docs with Safari and the experience is
slightly more tolerable, but still not fantastic. Do you have any
preference/tips on which browser to use? for a less frustrating experience?

Thanks,
Minh

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Re: Google docs

[Brad Snyder]

Check out the below link for a good article from AppleVis on using Google Docs 
with VoiceOver on a Mac.

https://www.applevis.com/blog/taming-beast-google-docs-macos#main-content

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On Apr 5, 2022, at 16:59, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

thanks for this. yes it has several tables. I was using just down-arrow to read 
through them.

> On Apr 5, 2022, at 4:03 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
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> Hi,
> 
> Is it a table within the Google Doc?   If yes, then do not use VO navigation 
> while in the document.  First you’ll need to make sure that Screen Reader 
> Access is enabled for your Google Docs etc.  Google provides a good set of 
> instructions at the following link:
> 
> https://support.google.com/docs/answer/6282736?co=GENIE.Platform%3DDesktop&hl=en
>  
> <https://support.google.com/docs/answer/6282736?co=GENIE.Platform=Desktop&hl=en>
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
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>> On Apr 5, 2022, at 14:58, Lorie McCloud > <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I've got this google doc I'm supposed to interact with. it has a callendar 
>> with various dates for events. I can read it but how do I interact with it 
>> in order to sign up for something?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
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Re: Google docs

[Lorie McCloud]

thanks for this. yes it has several tables. I was using just down-arrow to read 
through them.

> On Apr 5, 2022, at 4:03 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Is it a table within the Google Doc?   If yes, then do not use VO navigation 
> while in the document.  First you’ll need to make sure that Screen Reader 
> Access is enabled for your Google Docs etc.  Google provides a good set of 
> instructions at the following link:
> 
> https://support.google.com/docs/answer/6282736?co=GENIE.Platform%3DDesktop&hl=en
>  
> <https://support.google.com/docs/answer/6282736?co=GENIE.Platform=Desktop&hl=en>
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
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> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
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>> On Apr 5, 2022, at 14:58, Lorie McCloud > <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I've got this google doc I'm supposed to interact with. it has a callendar 
>> with various dates for events. I can read it but how do I interact with it 
>> in order to sign up for something?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
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Re: Google docs

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Is it a table within the Google Doc?   If yes, then do not use VO navigation 
while in the document.  First you’ll need to make sure that Screen Reader 
Access is enabled for your Google Docs etc.  Google provides a good set of 
instructions at the following link:

https://support.google.com/docs/answer/6282736?co=GENIE.Platform%3DDesktop&hl=en
 
<https://support.google.com/docs/answer/6282736?co=GENIE.Platform=Desktop&hl=en>

HTH.

Later…


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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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> On Apr 5, 2022, at 14:58, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> I've got this google doc I'm supposed to interact with. it has a callendar 
> with various dates for events. I can read it but how do I interact with it in 
> order to sign up for something?
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
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Google docs

[Lorie McCloud]

I've got this google doc I'm supposed to interact with. it has a callendar with 
various dates for events. I can read it but how do I interact with it in order 
to sign up for something?

thanks.
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Re: google docs

[Matthew Janusauskas]

The documented keyboard command is Option + Enter.


> On Feb 28, 2022, at 8:40 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> I'm trying to click a link in a google doc on my Mac in order to register for 
> something. so far I haven't been able to do it. it doesn't show up if I press 
> vo-command-l. vo reads it but. it's as though it's in a block of text. I 
> thought I'd enabled accessibility too. has anybody ever done this?
> 
> thanks.
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Re: google docs

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Use arrow keys without VO keys. So, arrow down to the line with the link, then 
arrow right or option-right to go by word. Once on the link, press 
option-return to activate the link. 

 Later... 


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> On Feb 28, 2022, at 6:41 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> I'm trying to click a link in a google doc on my Mac in order to register 
> for something. so far I haven't been able to do it. it doesn't show up if I 
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> I thought I'd enabled accessibility too. has anybody ever done this?
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google docs

[Lorie McCloud]

I'm trying to click a link in a google doc on my Mac in order to register for 
something. so far I haven't been able to do it. it doesn't show up if I press 
vo-command-l. vo reads it but. it's as though it's in a block of text. I 
thought I'd enabled accessibility too. has anybody ever done this?

thanks.
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Re: VoiceOver and Google Docs

[Brett Lewis]

Hi,
I have found docs to mostly be unusable on the Mac.
A couple of things which seem to make it better.
First I use chrome rather than safari.
Second, you can go to tools/accessibility options when in a Google doc and
uncheck the braille mode checkbox.  Braille mode is pretty good on Windows
but doesn't work well for me on the Mac.
Hopefully that will help a bit, but for me I had to get a windows machine
to really work with Google Docs.
Brett



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> I am struggling with Google Docs. When I type, VoiceOver will announce the
> letters I am typing but when I hit space, it does not read the word. I do
> not have the same experience when I use my PC. Is there something set
> incorrectly? Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.
> Warm regards,
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VoiceOver and Google Docs

[Barbara Hollick]

I am struggling with Google Docs. When I type, VoiceOver will announce the
letters I am typing but when I hit space, it does not read the word. I do
not have the same experience when I use my PC. Is there something set
incorrectly? Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.
Warm regards,
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Re: Using VO on MacAir in Google Docs and classroom

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I am using Google docs and google classroom.
In my opinion it needs to be fixed because there are some accessibility flaws 
that can be quite frustrating.
But if you want to edit a google document you have to open the documents app on 
your iphone and press the edit button.
In classroom its impossible but you can choose to open in another app and then 
edit.
For example:
I can click on a document in google classroom and select the open in another 
app and from there open it in the google docs app.
Its tricky but it can be done with some patience.
/A

> 19 nov. 2018 kl. 16:37 skrev frednav...@gmail.com:
> 
> Hello, 
> 
> I am a teacher of the visually impaired and working with a freshman 
> highschooler who has a MacBook provided by her school. Her teachers are using 
> Google classroom. She uses voiceover on her phone and is very competent. 
> 
> As her TVI I am trying to help her learn voiceover on the laptop. We are 
> looking for any advice and information regarding using voice over and google 
> classroom in Google docs. Using the rotar  has been quite helpful. We have 
> been able to navigate to open up a new document, but cannot figure out how to 
> get inside the document to begin typing. Any help with learning to navigate 
> and work within  Google Docs and Google classroom is much appreciated!!  
> 
> Fredna Van Dellen, TVI
> fredn...@tcoe.org
> 
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Re: Using VO on MacAir in Google Docs and classroom

[frednavd55]

Thank you!! I will check it out. A training tool would be perfect.

Fredna Van Dellen TVI
Teacher of students with a vision impairment
Tulare Co. Office of Ed
Visalia, CA 93277

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 19, 2018, at 10:03 AM, jean parker  wrote:
> 
> All:
> 
> Mystic Access has a tutorial on using G suite with screen readers including 
> voiceover. I have purchasedit  but have not gone through it yet. It does 
> appear to be quite useful. The tech support in the accessibility section of 
> google are not trained and although they are well intended, were ultimately 
> not helpful.
> 
> 
>> On 19 Nov 2018, at 9:14 am, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> A couple of things.  Google makes it difficult to use their web apps due to 
>> the ever changing nature of their coding of the apps.  Basic accessibility 
>> is always present, but the more interactive nature of these apps is not 
>> always quite so friendly.  I would first make sure that you always ensure 
>> that Accessible mode is enabled.  Second, actually working within the 
>> editable area is often a challenge.  I suggest that when using VO, just use 
>> arrow navigation, no VO keys.  If focus is in the editable area, when you 
>> arrow down or up, you'll be navigating line by line.  Right/left goes 
>> character by character.  Add the Option key to the right/left action and you 
>> can go word by word.  There is also a link, or button, that reads something 
>> about "Editing" that when pressed, often makes sure that focus for the 
>> cursor is in the editable area.  The other thing that I find useful is to 
>> use a combination of tools.  ChromeVox in Chrome often allows you to get at 
>> editable items more easily as well as many of the menu actions.  Using a 
>> combination of ChromeVox, Chrome, VO and Safari often gives you the most 
>> success.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Nov 19, 2018, at 09:02, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>> 
>> hello,
>> 
>> I would be interested in working with you to figure this out. I am not an 
>> active user of Google documents but have used them on occasion on both my 
>> Braille Note Touch and my Macintosh. 
>>> May I contact you off list and from a more personal e-mail address to 
>>> discuss. I am not interested  in receiving any compensation. I am 
>>> interested in how blind students work with technology, and how specifically 
>>> the products we use are considered by people like you.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 19, 2018, at 10:37 AM, frednav...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello, 
>>> 
>>> I am a teacher of the visually impaired and working with a freshman 
>>> highschooler who has a MacBook provided by her school. Her teachers are 
>>> using Google classroom. She uses voiceover on her phone and is very 
>>> competent. 
>>> 
>>> As her TVI I am trying to help her learn voiceover on the laptop. We are 
>>> looking for any advice and information regarding using voice over and 
>>> google classroom in Google docs. Using the rotar  has been quite helpful. 
>>> We have been able to navigate to open up a new document, but cannot figure 
>>> out how to get inside the document to begin typing. Any help with learning 
>>> to navigate and work within  Google Docs and Google classroom is much 
>>> appreciated!!  
>>> 
>>> Fredna Van Dellen, TVI
>>> fredn...@tcoe.org
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Using VO on MacAir in Google Docs and classroom

[frednavd55]

Hi, 

Thank you. Not exactly sure how to access all these accessibility modes when 
using google classroom but will look it over and try.

Thanks again!
Fredna
Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 19, 2018, at 8:14 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> A couple of things.  Google makes it difficult to use their web apps due to 
> the ever changing nature of their coding of the apps.  Basic accessibility is 
> always present, but the more interactive nature of these apps is not always 
> quite so friendly.  I would first make sure that you always ensure that 
> Accessible mode is enabled.  Second, actually working within the editable 
> area is often a challenge.  I suggest that when using VO, just use arrow 
> navigation, no VO keys.  If focus is in the editable area, when you arrow 
> down or up, you'll be navigating line by line.  Right/left goes character by 
> character.  Add the Option key to the right/left action and you can go word 
> by word.  There is also a link, or button, that reads something about 
> "Editing" that when pressed, often makes sure that focus for the cursor is in 
> the editable area.  The other thing that I find useful is to use a 
> combination of tools.  ChromeVox in Chrome often allows you to get at 
> editable items more easily as well as many of the menu actions.  Using a 
> combination of ChromeVox, Chrome, VO and Safari often gives you the most 
> success.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Nov 19, 2018, at 09:02, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> hello,
> 
> I would be interested in working with you to figure this out. I am not an 
> active user of Google documents but have used them on occasion on both my 
> Braille Note Touch and my Macintosh. 
>> May I contact you off list and from a more personal e-mail address to 
>> discuss. I am not interested  in receiving any compensation. I am interested 
>> in how blind students work with technology, and how specifically the 
>> products we use are considered by people like you.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 19, 2018, at 10:37 AM, frednav...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Hello, 
>> 
>> I am a teacher of the visually impaired and working with a freshman 
>> highschooler who has a MacBook provided by her school. Her teachers are 
>> using Google classroom. She uses voiceover on her phone and is very 
>> competent. 
>> 
>> As her TVI I am trying to help her learn voiceover on the laptop. We are 
>> looking for any advice and information regarding using voice over and google 
>> classroom in Google docs. Using the rotar  has been quite helpful. We have 
>> been able to navigate to open up a new document, but cannot figure out how 
>> to get inside the document to begin typing. Any help with learning to 
>> navigate and work within  Google Docs and Google classroom is much 
>> appreciated!!  
>> 
>> Fredna Van Dellen, TVI
>> fredn...@tcoe.org
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Using VO on MacAir in Google Docs and classroom

[jean parker]

All:

Mystic Access has a tutorial on using G suite with screen readers including 
voiceover. I have purchasedit  but have not gone through it yet. It does appear 
to be quite useful. The tech support in the accessibility section of google are 
not trained and although they are well intended, were ultimately not helpful.


> On 19 Nov 2018, at 9:14 am, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> A couple of things.  Google makes it difficult to use their web apps due to 
> the ever changing nature of their coding of the apps.  Basic accessibility is 
> always present, but the more interactive nature of these apps is not always 
> quite so friendly.  I would first make sure that you always ensure that 
> Accessible mode is enabled.  Second, actually working within the editable 
> area is often a challenge.  I suggest that when using VO, just use arrow 
> navigation, no VO keys.  If focus is in the editable area, when you arrow 
> down or up, you'll be navigating line by line.  Right/left goes character by 
> character.  Add the Option key to the right/left action and you can go word 
> by word.  There is also a link, or button, that reads something about 
> "Editing" that when pressed, often makes sure that focus for the cursor is in 
> the editable area.  The other thing that I find useful is to use a 
> combination of tools.  ChromeVox in Chrome often allows you to get at 
> editable items more easily as well as many of the menu actions.  Using a 
> combination of ChromeVox, Chrome, VO and Safari often gives you the most 
> success.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Nov 19, 2018, at 09:02, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> hello,
> 
> I would be interested in working with you to figure this out. I am not an 
> active user of Google documents but have used them on occasion on both my 
> Braille Note Touch and my Macintosh. 
>> May I contact you off list and from a more personal e-mail address to 
>> discuss. I am not interested  in receiving any compensation. I am interested 
>> in how blind students work with technology, and how specifically the 
>> products we use are considered by people like you.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 19, 2018, at 10:37 AM, frednav...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Hello, 
>> 
>> I am a teacher of the visually impaired and working with a freshman 
>> highschooler who has a MacBook provided by her school. Her teachers are 
>> using Google classroom. She uses voiceover on her phone and is very 
>> competent. 
>> 
>> As her TVI I am trying to help her learn voiceover on the laptop. We are 
>> looking for any advice and information regarding using voice over and google 
>> classroom in Google docs. Using the rotar  has been quite helpful. We have 
>> been able to navigate to open up a new document, but cannot figure out how 
>> to get inside the document to begin typing. Any help with learning to 
>> navigate and work within  Google Docs and Google classroom is much 
>> appreciated!!  
>> 
>> Fredna Van Dellen, TVI
>> fredn...@tcoe.org
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Using VO on MacAir in Google Docs and classroom

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

A couple of things.  Google makes it difficult to use their web apps due to the 
ever changing nature of their coding of the apps.  Basic accessibility is 
always present, but the more interactive nature of these apps is not always 
quite so friendly.  I would first make sure that you always ensure that 
Accessible mode is enabled.  Second, actually working within the editable area 
is often a challenge.  I suggest that when using VO, just use arrow navigation, 
no VO keys.  If focus is in the editable area, when you arrow down or up, 
you'll be navigating line by line.  Right/left goes character by character.  
Add the Option key to the right/left action and you can go word by word.  There 
is also a link, or button, that reads something about "Editing" that when 
pressed, often makes sure that focus for the cursor is in the editable area.  
The other thing that I find useful is to use a combination of tools.  ChromeVox 
in Chrome often allows you to get at editable items more easily as well as many 
of the menu actions.  Using a combination of ChromeVox, Chrome, VO and Safari 
often gives you the most success.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 19, 2018, at 09:02, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:

hello,

I would be interested in working with you to figure this out. I am not an 
active user of Google documents but have used them on occasion on both my 
Braille Note Touch and my Macintosh. 
> May I contact you off list and from a more personal e-mail address to 
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Thanks!

Jonathan Cohn



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> Hello, 
> 
> I am a teacher of the visually impaired and working with a freshman 
> highschooler who has a MacBook provided by her school. Her teachers are using 
> Google classroom. She uses voiceover on her phone and is very competent. 
> 
> As her TVI I am trying to help her learn voiceover on the laptop. We are 
> looking for any advice and information regarding using voice over and google 
> classroom in Google docs. Using the rotar  has been quite helpful. We have 
> been able to navigate to open up a new document, but cannot figure out how to 
> get inside the document to begin typing. Any help with learning to navigate 
> and work within  Google Docs and Google classroom is much appreciated!!  
> 
> Fredna Van Dellen, TVI
> fredn...@tcoe.org <mailto:fredn...@tcoe.org>
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Re: Using VO on MacAir in Google Docs and classroom

[frednavd55]

Hi Jonathan,

Thank you for your interest. Yes, you may contact me at my work email, 
fredn...@tcoe.org.  I’m unavailable today but but should be able to discuss 
this tomorrow afternoon some time.   You can also explain how this group works. 
Sounds like some that help request compensation? 

Thank you!

Fredna Van Dellen TVI
Teacher of Students With a
Vision Impairment


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> On Nov 19, 2018, at 8:02 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> hello,
> 
> I would be interested in working with you to figure this out. I am not an 
> active user of Google documents but have used them on occasion on both my 
> Braille Note Touch and my Macintosh. 
>> May I contact you off list and from a more personal e-mail address to 
>> discuss. I am not interested  in receiving any compensation. I am interested 
>> in how blind students work with technology, and how specifically the 
>> products we use are considered by people like you.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 19, 2018, at 10:37 AM, frednav...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Hello, 
>> 
>> I am a teacher of the visually impaired and working with a freshman 
>> highschooler who has a MacBook provided by her school. Her teachers are 
>> using Google classroom. She uses voiceover on her phone and is very 
>> competent. 
>> 
>> As her TVI I am trying to help her learn voiceover on the laptop. We are 
>> looking for any advice and information regarding using voice over and google 
>> classroom in Google docs. Using the rotar  has been quite helpful. We have 
>> been able to navigate to open up a new document, but cannot figure out how 
>> to get inside the document to begin typing. Any help with learning to 
>> navigate and work within  Google Docs and Google classroom is much 
>> appreciated!!  
>> 
>> Fredna Van Dellen, TVI
>> fredn...@tcoe.org
>> 
>> 
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Re: Using VO on MacAir in Google Docs and classroom

[Jonathan Cohn]

hello,

I would be interested in working with you to figure this out. I am not an 
active user of Google documents but have used them on occasion on both my 
Braille Note Touch and my Macintosh. 
> May I contact you off list and from a more personal e-mail address to 
> discuss. I am not interested  in receiving any compensation. I am interested 
> in how blind students work with technology, and how specifically the products 
> we use are considered by people like you.

Thanks!

Jonathan Cohn



> On Nov 19, 2018, at 10:37 AM, frednav...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Hello, 
> 
> I am a teacher of the visually impaired and working with a freshman 
> highschooler who has a MacBook provided by her school. Her teachers are using 
> Google classroom. She uses voiceover on her phone and is very competent. 
> 
> As her TVI I am trying to help her learn voiceover on the laptop. We are 
> looking for any advice and information regarding using voice over and google 
> classroom in Google docs. Using the rotar  has been quite helpful. We have 
> been able to navigate to open up a new document, but cannot figure out how to 
> get inside the document to begin typing. Any help with learning to navigate 
> and work within  Google Docs and Google classroom is much appreciated!!  
> 
> Fredna Van Dellen, TVI
> fredn...@tcoe.org
> 
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Using VO on MacAir in Google Docs and classroom

[frednavd55]

Hello, 

I am a teacher of the visually impaired and working with a freshman 
highschooler who has a MacBook provided by her school. Her teachers are using 
Google classroom. She uses voiceover on her phone and is very competent. 

As her TVI I am trying to help her learn voiceover on the laptop. We are 
looking for any advice and information regarding using voice over and google 
classroom in Google docs. Using the rotar  has been quite helpful. We have been 
able to navigate to open up a new document, but cannot figure out how to get 
inside the document to begin typing. Any help with learning to navigate and 
work within  Google Docs and Google classroom is much appreciated!!  

Fredna Van Dellen, TVI
fredn...@tcoe.org


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Re: Frustrating google docs problem.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I havent tried safari for this purpose.
All other students in this class uses chrome and since this browser is quite 
accessible from start i didn’t think of safari.
Will try this solution too.
/A

> 12 sep. 2018 kl. 17:09 skrev 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> 
> Hi,
> 
> Normally, I can read Google Docs by opening them in Safari or Chrome, usually 
> Safari, then just using arrow key navigation.  That is, no VO keys.  Just 
> arrow down to read line by line, arrow right for letter by letter, option 
> right/left for word by word.  If you start arrowing too quickly before the 
> page has completely loaded, press cmd-r to reload the page, wait for the 
> sound that indicates that the page has loaded then arrow.  If that doesn't 
> work, you may need to press the Turn on More Accessible Mode button thing.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Best.
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 12, 2018, at 08:48, Anders Holmberg  <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:
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> Hi!
> I am taking a distance bible course and they’re using google classroom for a 
> reason i don’t know.
> Well i just stumbled upon a very frustrating accessibility issue.
> I can’t read the google documents neither on mac or windows.
> BUt i can with my Android phone.
> But since braille is so poor on android i would have prefered to read it on 
> my mac.
> I haven’t tried with my Ipad mini 4 yet or my iphone se.
> BUt its very frustrating and i wonder if there’s a sollution to this problem.
> Is there any app that can read the google document for me on mac or maybe 
> windows?
> Sorry if this is somewhat off topic.
> /A
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Re: Frustrating google docs problem.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Ok, yes i think i saw something about that.
I will check this later tonight.
Thanks for your help.
/A

> 12 sep. 2018 kl. 17:08 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi Anders,
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> You may know this already, but there's a toggle to activate screen reader 
> accessibility.  I access it by VO-arrowing to the left from the document.  
> Make sure you have that enabled.
> HTH,
> Donna
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2018, at 9:48 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> I am taking a distance bible course and they’re using google classroom for a 
>> reason i don’t know.
>> Well i just stumbled upon a very frustrating accessibility issue.
>> I can’t read the google documents neither on mac or windows.
>> BUt i can with my Android phone.
>> But since braille is so poor on android i would have prefered to read it on 
>> my mac.
>> I haven’t tried with my Ipad mini 4 yet or my iphone se.
>> BUt its very frustrating and i wonder if there’s a sollution to this problem.
>> Is there any app that can read the google document for me on mac or maybe 
>> windows?
>> Sorry if this is somewhat off topic.
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Re: Frustrating google docs problem.

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Normally, I can read Google Docs by opening them in Safari or Chrome, usually 
Safari, then just using arrow key navigation.  That is, no VO keys.  Just arrow 
down to read line by line, arrow right for letter by letter, option right/left 
for word by word.  If you start arrowing too quickly before the page has 
completely loaded, press cmd-r to reload the page, wait for the sound that 
indicates that the page has loaded then arrow.  If that doesn't work, you may 
need to press the Turn on More Accessible Mode button thing.

HTH.

Best.

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 12, 2018, at 08:48, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi!
I am taking a distance bible course and they’re using google classroom for a 
reason i don’t know.
Well i just stumbled upon a very frustrating accessibility issue.
I can’t read the google documents neither on mac or windows.
BUt i can with my Android phone.
But since braille is so poor on android i would have prefered to read it on my 
mac.
I haven’t tried with my Ipad mini 4 yet or my iphone se.
BUt its very frustrating and i wonder if there’s a sollution to this problem.
Is there any app that can read the google document for me on mac or maybe 
windows?
Sorry if this is somewhat off topic.
/A

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Re: Frustrating google docs problem.

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Anders,

You may know this already, but there's a toggle to activate screen reader 
accessibility.  I access it by VO-arrowing to the left from the document.  Make 
sure you have that enabled.
HTH,
Donna

> On Sep 12, 2018, at 9:48 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I am taking a distance bible course and they’re using google classroom for a 
> reason i don’t know.
> Well i just stumbled upon a very frustrating accessibility issue.
> I can’t read the google documents neither on mac or windows.
> BUt i can with my Android phone.
> But since braille is so poor on android i would have prefered to read it on 
> my mac.
> I haven’t tried with my Ipad mini 4 yet or my iphone se.
> BUt its very frustrating and i wonder if there’s a sollution to this problem.
> Is there any app that can read the google document for me on mac or maybe 
> windows?
> Sorry if this is somewhat off topic.
> /A
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Frustrating google docs problem.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I am taking a distance bible course and they’re using google classroom for a 
reason i don’t know.
Well i just stumbled upon a very frustrating accessibility issue.
I can’t read the google documents neither on mac or windows.
BUt i can with my Android phone.
But since braille is so poor on android i would have prefered to read it on my 
mac.
I haven’t tried with my Ipad mini 4 yet or my iphone se.
BUt its very frustrating and i wonder if there’s a sollution to this problem.
Is there any app that can read the google document for me on mac or maybe 
windows?
Sorry if this is somewhat off topic.
/A

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Re: google docs

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Yes, Google Chrome and ChromeVox is specifically designed for the Google 
ecosystem, so is able to navigate Google Docs and other Google apps better.  
There is a learning curve though for ChromeVox as it is not the same as VO, nor 
those Windows screen readers.  So, you get to learn another language :).

If you prefer to use Safari and VO, try pressing cmd-r to Reload the page and 
you can usually read the document again by arrowing through it.

One caution I have to add here with respect to Google Docs being sent to you 
via eMail.  I suggest that you do either or both of the following when opening 
Google Docs that are shared or eMailed to you.  First, is to make sure that 
your browser is open and to be logged in before opening the linked Google Doc.  
There is a huge number of phishing expedition eMails out there that send you 
Google Docs in this manner.  They appear to be from someone you know but 
usually are just a really well planned scam.  Once you go to open the linked 
Google document, it asks you to login to your gMail.  When you do, they've got 
your gMail ID and password and within seconds are making changes to and 
scanning your gMail and documents for usable info.  If you know that you're 
already logged in and it asks you to log in upon opening this Google Doc, then 
you know it's phishing and to stop right there and delete the eMail and do not 
enter any credentials.  The second method is to enable Two Step or Two Factor 
authentication which protects you even if you accidentally enter credentials by 
sending you a text verification whenever someone attempts to log in on a device 
not normally associated with you.

OK, I'll jump off my soap-box now and close down this long-winded answer to 
your question :).

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jan 22, 2017, at 23:13, Chris G  wrote:

Hi,
Others may have differing experiences, but I have found using Google Chrome and 
the screen reader  ChromeVox is a much better experience.
ChromeVox has its own way of dong things, you'll also need to turn off 
VoiceOver when using Chrome and ChromeVox.

Chris



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Sent: Sunday, Jan 22, 2017 10:09 PM EST
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
Subject: google docs

I received an attachment in this format. I had to open it in Safari. I wasn’t 
sure how to use it using voiceover. I read through the document once but when I 
tried to review it a 2nd time I didn’t seem to be able to do it. Does anyone on 
this list use it? Could you give me some tips?

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Re: google docs

[Chris G]

Hi,
Others may have differing experiences, but I have found using Google 
Chrome and the screen reader  ChromeVox is a much better experience.
ChromeVox has its own way of dong things, you'll also need to turn off 
VoiceOver when using Chrome and ChromeVox.


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 Original Message 
From: Marie Lyons
Sent: Sunday, Jan 22, 2017 10:09 PM EST
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
Subject: google docs

I received an attachment in this format. I had to open it in Safari. I 
wasn’t sure how to use it using voiceover. I read through the document 
once but when I tried to review it a 2nd time I didn’t seem to be able 
to do it. Does anyone on this list use it? Could you give me some tips?


Marie Lyons


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google docs

[Marie Lyons]

I received an attachment in this format. I had to open it in Safari. I wasn’t 
sure how to use it using voiceover. I read through the document once but when I 
tried to review it a 2nd time I didn’t seem to be able to do it. Does anyone on 
this list use it? Could you give me some tips?

Marie Lyons

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Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Kat DeNicola]

I’ll have to give it a try. … I’m writing this an hour away from the new year… 
I guess I have no life. LOL
Kat
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> On Dec 29, 2016, at 9:47 AM, Matthew Dyer  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> 
> I had a play with chrome vox on my mac here and it works well here.  I tested 
> it with gmail and it works ok.  I wish there was a way to arrow the the list 
> of message rather than pressing chromevox n then f for next form field to 
> jump to each message checkbox.  other than that it works and I have chrome 
> set as my default web browser.
> 
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 12/29/2016 10:49 AM, Chris G wrote:
>> Hi,
>> For what it is worth, Docs works fine with JAWS 17/18, Window-eyes 9.5 and 
>> NVDA (latest version).
>> 
>> When I was playing with docs on the mac, I couldn't get VoiceOver to work at 
>> all.  Arrowing through the document said "beginning of text" or "end of 
>> text."  Sometimes it spoke each character twice. It was unusable.
>> 
>> I tried VoiceOver in Chrome with the same results.  Finally had to use 
>> ChromeVox in Chrome to work with Docs on the mac.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Chris Grabowski
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>> 
>>  Original Message 
>> From: Simon Fogarty
>> Sent: Thursday, Dec 29, 2016 1:17 AM EST
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover
>> 
>> Hi Mary,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I can’t say I’mm really a fan boy of Google for most of their products,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> However as I’m some what looking for a new tv currently I’m starting to
>> change my mind.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I’ve never really been a fan of Sony but the new Sony Android tvs I’m
>> realy changing my mind,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Playing around with the Sony 8500 TV today
>> 
>> Talkback allowed us to work through menus and channels / input sources
>> as well as the multiple menu levels with speech enabled Sony and Google
>> have in these tv’s given us the sightless more of an ability to control
>> the tv without sighted assistance.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> As for google docks and chrome vox,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  This is surely just a start for Google and with time they will make
>> the g suite usable with voiceover or even jaws / widnow eyes.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Google are doing some good thigns,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> *From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mary Otten
>> *Sent:* Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:11 PM
>> *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> There is no cost. And I can't talk about how good it is or isn't.
>> Frankly, I resented chrome box from the beginning. Because I thought the
>> Google should play along with the screen readers and not expect people
>> to learn a specific Screenwitter just so they can access their stuff. I
>> mean after all, we have lots of standards. Why did google have to do
>> something weird and different? HTML is HTML. But not if your Google. So
>> I have a bias against chrome box. But I can't speak to how good it is or
>> is not. I think Google should've played with the standards that existed
>> already in HTML and not expected blind people to learn a whole different
>> system just because they can..
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 28, 2016, at 9:37 PM, Simon Fogarty > <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>So how good is chrome vox?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>And is there a cost to get access to it?
>> 
>> 

Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Kevin Chao]

ChromeVox Next will be default in M56 of Chrome OS (ChromeBooks), which is
targetted for January 2017.
Chrome browser will *NOT* support ChromeVox Next, as there should be
sufficient support by native platform screen readers (e.g. Mac VoiceOver,
Windows NVDA).

On Sat, Dec 31, 2016 at 9:11 AM Jonathan Cohn  wrote:

> Will Chrome VOX Next be available for the Chrome browser too? I haven't
> payed much attention to the progress of Next recently, but it had appeared
> they would be switching this on as a default in the next few months last
> time I looked.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Jonathan Cohn
>
>
>
> On Dec 28, 2016, at 1:22 PM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
>
> I use and recommend ChromeVox on mac:
>
> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chromevox/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn
> It provides a lot better experience with G Suite.
>
> On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 5:59 AM Kat DeNicola 
> wrote:
>
> Hi. Haven't had time to do a topic search for this, so maybe it's already
> been addressed, but I'm having no luck using the help information from
> google on using docs with voiceover on the mac. I can't even find the edit
> field for the body of the document, just the field for giving it a title.
> Navigating to and activating a menu, or using the VO passthrough key and
> then the shortcut to activate a specific menu, yields inconsistent results.
> I made sure quicknav was off and that screen reader mode was enabled. What
> am I missing? Or is it actually just a mess anyway?
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Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Jonathan Cohn]

Will Chrome VOX Next be available for the Chrome browser too? I haven't payed 
much attention to the progress of Next recently, but it had appeared they would 
be switching this on as a default in the next few months last time I looked.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn 



> On Dec 28, 2016, at 1:22 PM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
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> I use and recommend ChromeVox on mac:
> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chromevox/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn
>  
> 
> It provides a lot better experience with G Suite.
> 
> On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 5:59 AM Kat DeNicola  > wrote:
> Hi. Haven't had time to do a topic search for this, so maybe it's already 
> been addressed, but I'm having no luck using the help information from google 
> on using docs with voiceover on the mac. I can't even find the edit field for 
> the body of the document, just the field for giving it a title. Navigating to 
> and activating a menu, or using the VO passthrough key and then the shortcut 
> to activate a specific menu, yields inconsistent results. I made sure 
> quicknav was off and that screen reader mode was enabled. What am I missing? 
> Or is it actually just a mess anyway?
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RE: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Mary,

Yeah it’s crazy so far all I’ve been able to confirm is AD and sub titles are 
the only things in the accessibilities menu under settings,

Yeah from the home screan of the Samsung tv try holding down the mute key and 
see what happens, you may have to hold it down for a few seconds to get the 
menu to pop up.

I can’t see why it would be not available here so Have to wait till Samsung nz 
are back at work after break.

Have a great new years simon


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Saturday, 31 December 2016 6:09 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

Hi Simon,
Well, I don't know about any shortcuts, and I can not imagine that Samsung made 
something just for the US. But here, without any shortcut is what you do. Go to 
menu, then system, then accessibility. When you open accessibility, voice Guide 
is the first thing in the list. It's a toggle to be turned on or off. I know 
that's not just for this TV but for any of the Samsung smart TVs made with in 
the last couple of years. I can't imagine Samsung made TVs just for the United 
States with this feature built-in. So I'm not sure what's happening for you. 
And maybe you will like the Sony. I'm just OK with a Samsung because of the 
cost because I'd rather put my money, what little of it there is, into audio if 
I can get by with a cheaper TV.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 30, 2016, at 7:18 PM, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
Hi Mary,

Well my findings thus far are weird,

I’ve checked out the latest Samsung tvs of 2016 from the 32” up to the 75” 
curved screan and none of them give the voice guidance  accessibility features,

All have the AD and sub title features but nothing had the tts screan reading 
feature,

AD was disabled at the point we were looking

So either the TTS feature doesn’t show up with the accessibility short cut 
option of using the Mute button held down till the menu shows or it’s just not 
there on NZ models of the tv’s

Athanks for the model number But again I’m going back to look at the Sony 
android devices.

Thanks

Simon F

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, 30 December 2016 5:35 AM
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Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

Hi Simon,
The Samsung TV I have is model number un32j5500af
They have a few I think with similar model numbers. This is a 32 inch model. 
They have larger ones. This one may have been exclusive to Best Buy. But if it 
is, there is another one with a very similar number. It's a smart TV. And you 
have to go into the menus and turn on the voice guidance. If your sales guy 
can't figure that out, I can find out exactly what steps to take to do that. 
Someone did kind of a rambling podcast on this TV earlier this year. Not 
everything talks, such as once you get into the hub. But if what you want is to 
use the TV and switch hdmi ports etc. and know what channel you're on and what 
program is on that channel if it's over the air, it works just fine. And there 
is some kind of guide that also seems to work fine, although I don't use it 
much. I accidentally went into it once, and it started telling me what programs 
were on the channel I was watching over the air. So, while it may not be as 
smooth as the other TV that was being discussed, the price was right and it 
does what I need it to do in an accessible way.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 28, 2016, at 11:10 PM, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
Hi Mary,

Our sales people for these things no less than I do which is why I have fun 
with their computers,

   On the funny side I set one of their mac book pro machines to a greak 
keyboard and Spanish display languages  it appears they reset it back to 
factory defaults.

Anyway

What is the Samsung tv model you  have with the accessibility features?

I asked the sale guy  about accessibility in the samsungs but he couldn’t find 
anything in the models they had in store,

 I’m not really a sony fan so if I could stay with Smsung  then I’d prefer to.

The fact the android OS was fully accessible  was the reason I was starting to 
look at that more than anything else.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:39 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

Hi Simon, all I can say is I hope you check out Samsung TVs before you decide 
to buy a Sony. I say that because in my experie

Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Mary Otten]

Hi Simon,
Well, I don't know about any shortcuts, and I can not imagine that Samsung made 
something just for the US. But here, without any shortcut is what you do. Go to 
menu, then system, then accessibility. When you open accessibility, voice Guide 
is the first thing in the list. It's a toggle to be turned on or off. I know 
that's not just for this TV but for any of the Samsung smart TVs made with in 
the last couple of years. I can't imagine Samsung made TVs just for the United 
States with this feature built-in. So I'm not sure what's happening for you. 
And maybe you will like the Sony. I'm just OK with a Samsung because of the 
cost because I'd rather put my money, what little of it there is, into audio if 
I can get by with a cheaper TV.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 30, 2016, at 7:18 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
>  
> Well my findings thus far are weird,
>  
> I’ve checked out the latest Samsung tvs of 2016 from the 32” up to the 75” 
> curved screan and none of them give the voice guidance  accessibility 
> features,
>  
> All have the AD and sub title features but nothing had the tts screan reading 
> feature,
>  
> AD was disabled at the point we were looking
>  
> So either the TTS feature doesn’t show up with the accessibility short cut 
> option of using the Mute button held down till the menu shows or it’s just 
> not there on NZ models of the tv’s
>  
> Athanks for the model number But again I’m going back to look at the Sony 
> android devices.
>  
> Thanks
>  
> Simon F
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Friday, 30 December 2016 5:35 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover
>  
> Hi Simon, 
> The Samsung TV I have is model number un32j5500af
> They have a few I think with similar model numbers. This is a 32 inch model. 
> They have larger ones. This one may have been exclusive to Best Buy. But if 
> it is, there is another one with a very similar number. It's a smart TV. And 
> you have to go into the menus and turn on the voice guidance. If your sales 
> guy can't figure that out, I can find out exactly what steps to take to do 
> that. Someone did kind of a rambling podcast on this TV earlier this year. 
> Not everything talks, such as once you get into the hub. But if what you want 
> is to use the TV and switch hdmi ports etc. and know what channel you're on 
> and what program is on that channel if it's over the air, it works just fine. 
> And there is some kind of guide that also seems to work fine, although I 
> don't use it much. I accidentally went into it once, and it started telling 
> me what programs were on the channel I was watching over the air. So, while 
> it may not be as smooth as the other TV that was being discussed, the price 
> was right and it does what I need it to do in an accessible way.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Dec 28, 2016, at 11:10 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
>  
> Our sales people for these things no less than I do which is why I have fun 
> with their computers,
>  
>On the funny side I set one of their mac book pro machines to a greak 
> keyboard and Spanish display languages  it appears they reset it back to 
> factory defaults.
>  
> Anyway
>  
> What is the Samsung tv model you  have with the accessibility features?
>  
> I asked the sale guy  about accessibility in the samsungs but he couldn’t 
> find anything in the models they had in store,
>  
>  I’m not really a sony fan so if I could stay with Smsung  then I’d prefer to.
>  
> The fact the android OS was fully accessible  was the reason I was starting 
> to look at that more than anything else.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:39 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover
>  
> Hi Simon, all I can say is I hope you check out Samsung TVs before you decide 
> to buy a Sony. I say that because in my experience, the Samsung I just 
> purchased was a lot cheaper than a Sony I have recently Seen discussed on an 
> android list. They both have excess ability. I paid $219 US for a Samsung TV 
> 32 inches with excess ability. There is an android Sony TV probably the one 
> you have been talking about, which is twice that if not more. But I don't see 
> any point. Sure, you may have to get a little bit of cited help start out 
> with the Samsung TV. But I am just not convinced that the androi

RE: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Mary,

Well my findings thus far are weird,

I’ve checked out the latest Samsung tvs of 2016 from the 32” up to the 75” 
curved screan and none of them give the voice guidance  accessibility features,

All have the AD and sub title features but nothing had the tts screan reading 
feature,

AD was disabled at the point we were looking

So either the TTS feature doesn’t show up with the accessibility short cut 
option of using the Mute button held down till the menu shows or it’s just not 
there on NZ models of the tv’s

Athanks for the model number But again I’m going back to look at the Sony 
android devices.

Thanks

Simon F

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, 30 December 2016 5:35 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

Hi Simon,
The Samsung TV I have is model number un32j5500af
They have a few I think with similar model numbers. This is a 32 inch model. 
They have larger ones. This one may have been exclusive to Best Buy. But if it 
is, there is another one with a very similar number. It's a smart TV. And you 
have to go into the menus and turn on the voice guidance. If your sales guy 
can't figure that out, I can find out exactly what steps to take to do that. 
Someone did kind of a rambling podcast on this TV earlier this year. Not 
everything talks, such as once you get into the hub. But if what you want is to 
use the TV and switch hdmi ports etc. and know what channel you're on and what 
program is on that channel if it's over the air, it works just fine. And there 
is some kind of guide that also seems to work fine, although I don't use it 
much. I accidentally went into it once, and it started telling me what programs 
were on the channel I was watching over the air. So, while it may not be as 
smooth as the other TV that was being discussed, the price was right and it 
does what I need it to do in an accessible way.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 28, 2016, at 11:10 PM, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
Hi Mary,

Our sales people for these things no less than I do which is why I have fun 
with their computers,

   On the funny side I set one of their mac book pro machines to a greak 
keyboard and Spanish display languages  it appears they reset it back to 
factory defaults.

Anyway

What is the Samsung tv model you  have with the accessibility features?

I asked the sale guy  about accessibility in the samsungs but he couldn’t find 
anything in the models they had in store,

 I’m not really a sony fan so if I could stay with Smsung  then I’d prefer to.

The fact the android OS was fully accessible  was the reason I was starting to 
look at that more than anything else.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:39 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

Hi Simon, all I can say is I hope you check out Samsung TVs before you decide 
to buy a Sony. I say that because in my experience, the Samsung I just 
purchased was a lot cheaper than a Sony I have recently Seen discussed on an 
android list. They both have excess ability. I paid $219 US for a Samsung TV 32 
inches with excess ability. There is an android Sony TV probably the one you 
have been talking about, which is twice that if not more. But I don't see any 
point. Sure, you may have to get a little bit of cited help start out with the 
Samsung TV. But I am just not convinced that the android thing is worth it on 
the TV. I could take the money I saved I'm not buying that Sony and spend it on 
a really awesome pair of headphones, which I did. And I think I'll be ahead. 
But to each their own.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 28, 2016, at 10:17 PM, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
Hi Mary,

I can’t say I’mm really a fan boy of Google for most of their products,

However as I’m some what looking for a new tv currently I’m starting to change 
my mind.

I’ve never really been a fan of Sony but the new Sony Android tvs  I’m realy 
changing my mind,

Playing around with the Sony 8500 TV today
Talkback allowed us to work through menus and channels / input sources as well 
as the multiple menu levels with speech enabled Sony and Google have in these 
tv’s given us the sightless more of an ability to control the tv without 
sighted assistance.

As for google docks and chrome vox,

  This is surely just a start for Google and with time they will make the g 
suite usable with voiceover or even jaws / widnow eyes.

Google are doing some good thigns,

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.co

RE: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Tim,

Crazy yes however the organisation I work for seem to develop or purchase 
products that are not optimised for IE infact we use an oracle system that 
keeps telling us that IE is not a supported browser and please update to a 
later version,
Crazy how IE 11 isn’t up to date.

And more to the point edge works worse than IE does.


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Friday, 30 December 2016 1:50 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

Hey Simon,

It's kind of annoying that so many developers, especially web-site developers, 
"optimized" their sites for use with IE, thus alienating many other users.  I'm 
thinking that this practice is possibly waning with the increased use of the 
Mac and the growth of Chrome as well.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 29, 2016, at 14:46, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Tim,

I can honestly say that IE doesn’t work nicely with most things.

Using widnows and IE everyday it really worries me that MS can’t put together a 
decent browser or is it developers can’t develop decent web applications

Gotta wonder.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Friday, 30 December 2016 4:54 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

Hi,

When using Google Docs with screen readers on the Windows side, are you using 
IE or a different browser.  As far as I recall, IE and Google didn't play well 
together at all.  Of course, this may have changed since I've not bothered 
keeping up with much to that subject in the Windows world.  I only touch 
Windows about once a month or so to work within the Active Directory or to 
assist someone else, so I'm certainly not much in the loop.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 29, 2016, at 08:49, Chris G 
mailto:jedikent@mysticaccess.email>> wrote:

Hi,
For what it is worth, Docs works fine with JAWS 17/18, Window-eyes 9.5 and NVDA 
(latest version).

When I was playing with docs on the mac, I couldn't get VoiceOver to work at 
all.  Arrowing through the document said "beginning of text" or "end of text."  
Sometimes it spoke each character twice.  It was unusable.

I tried VoiceOver in Chrome with the same results.  Finally had to use 
ChromeVox in Chrome to work with Docs on the mac.



Chris Grabowski
Mystic Access
Where the magic is in learning.
http://www.MysticAccess.com<http://www.mysticaccess.com/>

Check out our eclectic and comprehensive assistive technology podcasts at:
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 Original Message 
From: Simon Fogarty
Sent: Thursday, Dec 29, 2016 1:17 AM EST
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

Hi Mary,



I can’t say I’mm really a fan boy of Google for most of their products,



However as I’m some what looking for a new tv currently I’m starting to
change my mind.



I’ve never really been a fan of Sony but the new Sony Android tvs  I’m
realy changing my mind,



Playing around with the Sony 8500 TV today

Talkback allowed us to work through menus and channels / input sources
as well as the multiple menu levels with speech enabled Sony and Google
have in these tv’s given us the sightless more of an ability to control
the tv without sighted assistance.



As for google docks and chrome vox,



 This is surely just a start for Google and with time they will make
the g suite usable with voiceover or even jaws / widnow eyes.



Google are doing some good thigns,



*From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mary Otten
*Sent:* Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:11 PM
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover



There is no cost. And I can't talk about how good it is or isn't.
Frankly, I resented chrome box from the beginning. Because I thought the
Google should play along with the screen readers and not expect people
to learn a specific Screenwitter just so they can access their stuff. I
mean after all, we have lots of standards. Why did

Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Tim Kilburn]

Hey Simon,

It's kind of annoying that so many developers, especially web-site developers, 
"optimized" their sites for use with IE, thus alienating many other users.  I'm 
thinking that this practice is possibly waning with the increased use of the 
Mac and the growth of Chrome as well.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 29, 2016, at 14:46, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Hi Tim,
 
I can honestly say that IE doesn’t work nicely with most things.
 
Using widnows and IE everyday it really worries me that MS can’t put together a 
decent browser or is it developers can’t develop decent web applications 
 
Gotta wonder.
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Friday, 30 December 2016 4:54 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover
 
Hi,
 
When using Google Docs with screen readers on the Windows side, are you using 
IE or a different browser.  As far as I recall, IE and Google didn't play well 
together at all.  Of course, this may have changed since I've not bothered 
keeping up with much to that subject in the Windows world.  I only touch 
Windows about once a month or so to work within the Active Directory or to 
assist someone else, so I'm certainly not much in the loop.
 
Later...
 
Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada 
 
On Dec 29, 2016, at 08:49, Chris G mailto:jedikent@mysticaccess.email>> wrote:
 
Hi,
For what it is worth, Docs works fine with JAWS 17/18, Window-eyes 9.5 and NVDA 
(latest version).

When I was playing with docs on the mac, I couldn't get VoiceOver to work at 
all.  Arrowing through the document said "beginning of text" or "end of text."  
Sometimes it spoke each character twice.  It was unusable.

I tried VoiceOver in Chrome with the same results.  Finally had to use 
ChromeVox in Chrome to work with Docs on the mac.



Chris Grabowski
Mystic Access
Where the magic is in learning.
http://www.MysticAccess.com <http://www.mysticaccess.com/>

Check out our eclectic and comprehensive assistive technology podcasts at:
http://www.MysticAccessPodcast.com <http://www.mysticaccesspodcast.com/>

Join our free announce-only mailing list to receive product news, podcast 
updates and exclusive coupon codes. Please send a blank email to:

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Phone: (716) 543-3323  (Ext. 500)

Twitter: MysticAccess
Facebook: mysticaccessempower



 Original Message 
From: Simon Fogarty
Sent: Thursday, Dec 29, 2016 1:17 AM EST
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

Hi Mary,



I can’t say I’mm really a fan boy of Google for most of their products,



However as I’m some what looking for a new tv currently I’m starting to
change my mind.



I’ve never really been a fan of Sony but the new Sony Android tvs  I’m
realy changing my mind,



Playing around with the Sony 8500 TV today

Talkback allowed us to work through menus and channels / input sources
as well as the multiple menu levels with speech enabled Sony and Google
have in these tv’s given us the sightless more of an ability to control
the tv without sighted assistance.



As for google docks and chrome vox,



 This is surely just a start for Google and with time they will make
the g suite usable with voiceover or even jaws / widnow eyes.



Google are doing some good thigns,



*From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] *On Behalf Of *Mary Otten
*Sent:* Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:11 PM
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover



There is no cost. And I can't talk about how good it is or isn't.
Frankly, I resented chrome box from the beginning. Because I thought the
Google should play along with the screen readers and not expect people
to learn a specific Screenwitter just so they can access their stuff. I
mean after all, we have lots of standards. Why did google have to do
something weird and different? HTML is HTML. But not if your Google. So
I have a bias against chrome box. But I can't speak to how good it is or
is not. I think Google should've played with the standards that existed
already in HTML and not expected blind people to learn a whole different
system just because they can..
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 28, 2016, at 9:37 PM, Simon Fogarty mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>
<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>>> wrote:

   So how good is chrome vox?



   And is there a cost to get access to it?



   *From:*macvisionar

RE: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Kevin,

That’s’ great, but due to no best buy being in NZ I’ll stick to my retailers 
thanks.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
Sent: Friday, 30 December 2016 11:13 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

The 2 accessible talking TVs that are being discussed:
1. Sony: 
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-43-class-42-5-diag--led-2160p-smart-4k-ultra-hd-tv-with-high-dynamic-range-black/4801700.p?skuId=4801700&cmp=RMX&ref=17&loc=11&CampaignID=817665&SubscriberID=459173078
2. Samsung: 
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-32-class-31-5-diag--led-1080p-smart-hdtv-silver/4380083.p?id=1219627838276&skuId=4380083

On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 1:41 PM Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
Hi Mary,

Thanks for that,

That’s not an NZ model number but I’m sure they can figure it out.

But yes reading some documentation on samsungs site there is seemingly a 
shortcut key within a accessibility system by holding down mute or volume I’m 
yet to figure that out for sure.

Thanks.

I’ll let you know how I get on.

Simon F

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>]
 On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, 30 December 2016 5:35 AM

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

Hi Simon,
The Samsung TV I have is model number un32j5500af
They have a few I think with similar model numbers. This is a 32 inch model. 
They have larger ones. This one may have been exclusive to Best Buy. But if it 
is, there is another one with a very similar number. It's a smart TV. And you 
have to go into the menus and turn on the voice guidance. If your sales guy 
can't figure that out, I can find out exactly what steps to take to do that. 
Someone did kind of a rambling podcast on this TV earlier this year. Not 
everything talks, such as once you get into the hub. But if what you want is to 
use the TV and switch hdmi ports etc. and know what channel you're on and what 
program is on that channel if it's over the air, it works just fine. And there 
is some kind of guide that also seems to work fine, although I don't use it 
much. I accidentally went into it once, and it started telling me what programs 
were on the channel I was watching over the air. So, while it may not be as 
smooth as the other TV that was being discussed, the price was right and it 
does what I need it to do in an accessible way.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 28, 2016, at 11:10 PM, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
Hi Mary,

Our sales people for these things no less than I do which is why I have fun 
with their computers,

   On the funny side I set one of their mac book pro machines to a greak 
keyboard and Spanish display languages  it appears they reset it back to 
factory defaults.

Anyway

What is the Samsung tv model you  have with the accessibility features?

I asked the sale guy  about accessibility in the samsungs but he couldn’t find 
anything in the models they had in store,

 I’m not really a sony fan so if I could stay with Smsung  then I’d prefer to.

The fact the android OS was fully accessible  was the reason I was starting to 
look at that more than anything else.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:39 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

Hi Simon, all I can say is I hope you check out Samsung TVs before you decide 
to buy a Sony. I say that because in my experience, the Samsung I just 
purchased was a lot cheaper than a Sony I have recently Seen discussed on an 
android list. They both have excess ability. I paid $219 US for a Samsung TV 32 
inches with excess ability. There is an android Sony TV probably the one you 
have been talking about, which is twice that if not more. But I don't see any 
point. Sure, you may have to get a little bit of cited help start out with the 
Samsung TV. But I am just not convinced that the android thing is worth it on 
the TV. I could take the money I saved I'm not buying that Sony and spend it on 
a really awesome pair of headphones, which I did. And I think I'll be ahead. 
But to each their own.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 28, 2016, at 10:17 PM, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
Hi Mary,

I can’t say I’mm really a fan boy of Google for most of their products,

However as I’m some what looking for a new tv currently I’m starting to change 
my mind.

I’ve never really been a fa

Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Kevin Chao]

The 2 accessible talking TVs that are being discussed:
1. Sony: http://www.bestbuy
.com/site/sony-43-class-42-5-diag--led-2160p-smart-4k-ultra-hd-tv-with-high-dynamic-range-black/4801700.p?skuId=4801700&cmp=RMX&ref=17&loc=11&CampaignID=817665&SubscriberID=459173078
2. Samsung: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung
-32-class-31-5-diag--led-1080p-smart-hdtv-silver/4380083.p?id=1219627838276&skuId=4380083

On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 1:41 PM Simon Fogarty  wrote:

> Hi Mary,
>
>
>
> Thanks for that,
>
>
>
> That’s not an NZ model number but I’m sure they can figure it out.
>
>
>
> But yes reading some documentation on samsungs site there is seemingly a
> shortcut key within a accessibility system by holding down mute or volume
> I’m yet to figure that out for sure.
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> I’ll let you know how I get on.
>
>
>
> Simon F
>
>
>
> *From:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mary Otten
> *Sent:* Friday, 30 December 2016 5:35 AM
>
>
> *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover
>
>
>
> Hi Simon,
>
> The Samsung TV I have is model number un32j5500af
>
> They have a few I think with similar model numbers. This is a 32 inch
> model. They have larger ones. This one may have been exclusive to Best Buy.
> But if it is, there is another one with a very similar number. It's a smart
> TV. And you have to go into the menus and turn on the voice guidance. If
> your sales guy can't figure that out, I can find out exactly what steps to
> take to do that. Someone did kind of a rambling podcast on this TV earlier
> this year. Not everything talks, such as once you get into the hub. But if
> what you want is to use the TV and switch hdmi ports etc. and know what
> channel you're on and what program is on that channel if it's over the air,
> it works just fine. And there is some kind of guide that also seems to work
> fine, although I don't use it much. I accidentally went into it once, and
> it started telling me what programs were on the channel I was watching over
> the air. So, while it may not be as smooth as the other TV that was being
> discussed, the price was right and it does what I need it to do in an
> accessible way.
> Mary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Dec 28, 2016, at 11:10 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>
> Hi Mary,
>
>
>
> Our sales people for these things no less than I do which is why I have
> fun with their computers,
>
>
>
>On the funny side I set one of their mac book pro machines to a greak
> keyboard and Spanish display languages  it appears they reset it back to
> factory defaults.
>
>
>
> Anyway
>
>
>
> What is the Samsung tv model you  have with the accessibility features?
>
>
>
> I asked the sale guy  about accessibility in the samsungs but he couldn’t
> find anything in the models they had in store,
>
>
>
>  I’m not really a sony fan so if I could stay with Smsung  then I’d prefer
> to.
>
>
>
> The fact the android OS was fully accessible  was the reason I was
> starting to look at that more than anything else.
>
>
>
> *From:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Mary Otten
> *Sent:* Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:39 PM
> *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover
>
>
>
> Hi Simon, all I can say is I hope you check out Samsung TVs before you
> decide to buy a Sony. I say that because in my experience, the Samsung I
> just purchased was a lot cheaper than a Sony I have recently Seen discussed
> on an android list. They both have excess ability. I paid $219 US for a
> Samsung TV 32 inches with excess ability. There is an android Sony TV
> probably the one you have been talking about, which is twice that if not
> more. But I don't see any point. Sure, you may have to get a little bit of
> cited help start out with the Samsung TV. But I am just not convinced that
> the android thing is worth it on the TV. I could take the money I saved I'm
> not buying that Sony and spend it on a really awesome pair of headphones,
> which I did. And I think I'll be ahead. But to each their own.
> Mary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Dec 28, 2016, at 10:17 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>
> Hi Mary,
>
>
>
> I can’t say I’mm really a fan boy of Google for most of their products,
>
>
>
> However as I’m some what looking for a new tv currently I’m starting to
> change my mind.
>
>
>
> I’ve neve

RE: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Tim,

I can honestly say that IE doesn’t work nicely with most things.

Using widnows and IE everyday it really worries me that MS can’t put together a 
decent browser or is it developers can’t develop decent web applications

Gotta wonder.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Friday, 30 December 2016 4:54 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

Hi,

When using Google Docs with screen readers on the Windows side, are you using 
IE or a different browser.  As far as I recall, IE and Google didn't play well 
together at all.  Of course, this may have changed since I've not bothered 
keeping up with much to that subject in the Windows world.  I only touch 
Windows about once a month or so to work within the Active Directory or to 
assist someone else, so I'm certainly not much in the loop.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 29, 2016, at 08:49, Chris G 
mailto:jedikent@mysticaccess.email>> wrote:

Hi,
For what it is worth, Docs works fine with JAWS 17/18, Window-eyes 9.5 and NVDA 
(latest version).

When I was playing with docs on the mac, I couldn't get VoiceOver to work at 
all.  Arrowing through the document said "beginning of text" or "end of text."  
Sometimes it spoke each character twice.  It was unusable.

I tried VoiceOver in Chrome with the same results.  Finally had to use 
ChromeVox in Chrome to work with Docs on the mac.



Chris Grabowski
Mystic Access
Where the magic is in learning.
http://www.MysticAccess.com<http://www.mysticaccess.com/>

Check out our eclectic and comprehensive assistive technology podcasts at:
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 Original Message 
From: Simon Fogarty
Sent: Thursday, Dec 29, 2016 1:17 AM EST
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

Hi Mary,



I can’t say I’mm really a fan boy of Google for most of their products,



However as I’m some what looking for a new tv currently I’m starting to
change my mind.



I’ve never really been a fan of Sony but the new Sony Android tvs  I’m
realy changing my mind,



Playing around with the Sony 8500 TV today

Talkback allowed us to work through menus and channels / input sources
as well as the multiple menu levels with speech enabled Sony and Google
have in these tv’s given us the sightless more of an ability to control
the tv without sighted assistance.



As for google docks and chrome vox,



 This is surely just a start for Google and with time they will make
the g suite usable with voiceover or even jaws / widnow eyes.



Google are doing some good thigns,



*From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mary Otten
*Sent:* Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:11 PM
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover



There is no cost. And I can't talk about how good it is or isn't.
Frankly, I resented chrome box from the beginning. Because I thought the
Google should play along with the screen readers and not expect people
to learn a specific Screenwitter just so they can access their stuff. I
mean after all, we have lots of standards. Why did google have to do
something weird and different? HTML is HTML. But not if your Google. So
I have a bias against chrome box. But I can't speak to how good it is or
is not. I think Google should've played with the standards that existed
already in HTML and not expected blind people to learn a whole different
system just because they can..
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 28, 2016, at 9:37 PM, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>
<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

   So how good is chrome vox?



   And is there a cost to get access to it?



   
*From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
   <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
   [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Kevin Chao
   *Sent:* Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:22 AM
   *To:* MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
   <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
   *Subject:* Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover



   I use and recommend ChromeVox on mac:

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chromevox

RE: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Mary,

Thanks for that,

That’s not an NZ model number but I’m sure they can figure it out.

But yes reading some documentation on samsungs site there is seemingly a 
shortcut key within a accessibility system by holding down mute or volume I’m 
yet to figure that out for sure.

Thanks.

I’ll let you know how I get on.

Simon F

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, 30 December 2016 5:35 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

Hi Simon,
The Samsung TV I have is model number un32j5500af
They have a few I think with similar model numbers. This is a 32 inch model. 
They have larger ones. This one may have been exclusive to Best Buy. But if it 
is, there is another one with a very similar number. It's a smart TV. And you 
have to go into the menus and turn on the voice guidance. If your sales guy 
can't figure that out, I can find out exactly what steps to take to do that. 
Someone did kind of a rambling podcast on this TV earlier this year. Not 
everything talks, such as once you get into the hub. But if what you want is to 
use the TV and switch hdmi ports etc. and know what channel you're on and what 
program is on that channel if it's over the air, it works just fine. And there 
is some kind of guide that also seems to work fine, although I don't use it 
much. I accidentally went into it once, and it started telling me what programs 
were on the channel I was watching over the air. So, while it may not be as 
smooth as the other TV that was being discussed, the price was right and it 
does what I need it to do in an accessible way.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 28, 2016, at 11:10 PM, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
Hi Mary,

Our sales people for these things no less than I do which is why I have fun 
with their computers,

   On the funny side I set one of their mac book pro machines to a greak 
keyboard and Spanish display languages  it appears they reset it back to 
factory defaults.

Anyway

What is the Samsung tv model you  have with the accessibility features?

I asked the sale guy  about accessibility in the samsungs but he couldn’t find 
anything in the models they had in store,

 I’m not really a sony fan so if I could stay with Smsung  then I’d prefer to.

The fact the android OS was fully accessible  was the reason I was starting to 
look at that more than anything else.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:39 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

Hi Simon, all I can say is I hope you check out Samsung TVs before you decide 
to buy a Sony. I say that because in my experience, the Samsung I just 
purchased was a lot cheaper than a Sony I have recently Seen discussed on an 
android list. They both have excess ability. I paid $219 US for a Samsung TV 32 
inches with excess ability. There is an android Sony TV probably the one you 
have been talking about, which is twice that if not more. But I don't see any 
point. Sure, you may have to get a little bit of cited help start out with the 
Samsung TV. But I am just not convinced that the android thing is worth it on 
the TV. I could take the money I saved I'm not buying that Sony and spend it on 
a really awesome pair of headphones, which I did. And I think I'll be ahead. 
But to each their own.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 28, 2016, at 10:17 PM, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
Hi Mary,

I can’t say I’mm really a fan boy of Google for most of their products,

However as I’m some what looking for a new tv currently I’m starting to change 
my mind.

I’ve never really been a fan of Sony but the new Sony Android tvs  I’m realy 
changing my mind,

Playing around with the Sony 8500 TV today
Talkback allowed us to work through menus and channels / input sources as well 
as the multiple menu levels with speech enabled Sony and Google have in these 
tv’s given us the sightless more of an ability to control the tv without 
sighted assistance.

As for google docks and chrome vox,

  This is surely just a start for Google and with time they will make the g 
suite usable with voiceover or even jaws / widnow eyes.

Google are doing some good thigns,

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:11 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

There is no cost. And I can't talk about how good it is or isn't. Frankly, I 
resent

Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Kevin Chao]

Yes.  First, make sure you go into settings and check the box to enable
keyboard shortcuts, this will save you much grief later.  There's a few
ways to get a list of keyboard shortcuts as well, these may prove very
useful.  Pressing the question mark, '?' should pull up the list.  Also, to
save you some time, the complete list can be found here:
https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6594?co=GENIE.Platform%3DDesktop&hl=en

On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 10:01 AM Kevin Chao  wrote:

> If you haven't done so yet, please have a look at the keyboard shortcuts
> for the application in question, for example, Gmail. It is possible to use
> J&K to navigate to Next and previous thread and use an NP within a
> conversation to navigate to Next and previous message
>
> On Thu, Dec 29, 2016, 9:47 AM Matthew Dyer 
> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>
> I had a play with chrome vox on my mac here and it works well here.  I
> tested it with gmail and it works ok.  I wish there was a way to arrow
> the the list of message rather than pressing chromevox n then f for next
> form field to jump to each message checkbox.  other than that it works
> and I have chrome set as my default web browser.
>
>
> Matthew
>
>
>
>
> On 12/29/2016 10:49 AM, Chris G wrote:
> > Hi,
> > For what it is worth, Docs works fine with JAWS 17/18, Window-eyes 9.5
> > and NVDA (latest version).
> >
> > When I was playing with docs on the mac, I couldn't get VoiceOver to
> > work at all.  Arrowing through the document said "beginning of text"
> > or "end of text."  Sometimes it spoke each character twice. It was
> > unusable.
> >
> > I tried VoiceOver in Chrome with the same results.  Finally had to use
> > ChromeVox in Chrome to work with Docs on the mac.
> >
> >
> >
> > Chris Grabowski
> > Mystic Access
> > Where the magic is in learning.
> > http://www.MysticAccess.com
> >
> > Check out our eclectic and comprehensive assistive technology podcasts
> > at:
> > http://www.MysticAccessPodcast.com
> >
> > Join our free announce-only mailing list to receive product news,
> > podcast updates and exclusive coupon codes. Please send a blank email to:
> >
> > manews-subscribe@mysticaccess.email
> >
> >  Contact:
> >
> > Phone: (716) 543-3323  (Ext. 500)
> >
> > Twitter: MysticAccess
> > Facebook: mysticaccessempower
> >
> >
> >
> >  Original Message 
> > From: Simon Fogarty
> > Sent: Thursday, Dec 29, 2016 1:17 AM EST
> > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover
> >
> > Hi Mary,
> >
> >
> >
> > I can’t say I’mm really a fan boy of Google for most of their products,
> >
> >
> >
> > However as I’m some what looking for a new tv currently I’m starting to
> > change my mind.
> >
> >
> >
> > I’ve never really been a fan of Sony but the new Sony Android tvs I’m
> > realy changing my mind,
> >
> >
> >
> > Playing around with the Sony 8500 TV today
> >
> > Talkback allowed us to work through menus and channels / input sources
> > as well as the multiple menu levels with speech enabled Sony and Google
> > have in these tv’s given us the sightless more of an ability to control
> > the tv without sighted assistance.
> >
> >
> >
> > As for google docks and chrome vox,
> >
> >
> >
> >   This is surely just a start for Google and with time they will make
> > the g suite usable with voiceover or even jaws / widnow eyes.
> >
> >
> >
> > Google are doing some good thigns,
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mary Otten
> > *Sent:* Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:11 PM
> > *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > *Subject:* Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover
> >
> >
> >
> > There is no cost. And I can't talk about how good it is or isn't.
> > Frankly, I resented chrome box from the beginning. Because I thought the
> > Google should play along with the screen readers and not expect people
> > to learn a specific Screenwitter just so they can access their stuff. I
> > mean after all, we have lots of standards. Why did google have to do
> > something weird and different? HTML is HTML. But not if your Google. So
> > I have a bias against chrome box. But I can't speak to how good it is or
> > is not. I think Google shou

Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Kevin Chao]

If you haven't done so yet, please have a look at the keyboard shortcuts
for the application in question, for example, Gmail. It is possible to use
J&K to navigate to Next and previous thread and use an NP within a
conversation to navigate to Next and previous message

On Thu, Dec 29, 2016, 9:47 AM Matthew Dyer 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
> I had a play with chrome vox on my mac here and it works well here.  I
> tested it with gmail and it works ok.  I wish there was a way to arrow
> the the list of message rather than pressing chromevox n then f for next
> form field to jump to each message checkbox.  other than that it works
> and I have chrome set as my default web browser.
>
>
> Matthew
>
>
>
>
> On 12/29/2016 10:49 AM, Chris G wrote:
> > Hi,
> > For what it is worth, Docs works fine with JAWS 17/18, Window-eyes 9.5
> > and NVDA (latest version).
> >
> > When I was playing with docs on the mac, I couldn't get VoiceOver to
> > work at all.  Arrowing through the document said "beginning of text"
> > or "end of text."  Sometimes it spoke each character twice. It was
> > unusable.
> >
> > I tried VoiceOver in Chrome with the same results.  Finally had to use
> > ChromeVox in Chrome to work with Docs on the mac.
> >
> >
> >
> > Chris Grabowski
> > Mystic Access
> > Where the magic is in learning.
> > http://www.MysticAccess.com
> >
> > Check out our eclectic and comprehensive assistive technology podcasts
> > at:
> > http://www.MysticAccessPodcast.com
> >
> > Join our free announce-only mailing list to receive product news,
> > podcast updates and exclusive coupon codes. Please send a blank email to:
> >
> > manews-subscribe@mysticaccess.email
> >
> >  Contact:
> >
> > Phone: (716) 543-3323  (Ext. 500)
> >
> > Twitter: MysticAccess
> > Facebook: mysticaccessempower
> >
> >
> >
> >  Original Message 
> > From: Simon Fogarty
> > Sent: Thursday, Dec 29, 2016 1:17 AM EST
> > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover
> >
> > Hi Mary,
> >
> >
> >
> > I can’t say I’mm really a fan boy of Google for most of their products,
> >
> >
> >
> > However as I’m some what looking for a new tv currently I’m starting to
> > change my mind.
> >
> >
> >
> > I’ve never really been a fan of Sony but the new Sony Android tvs I’m
> > realy changing my mind,
> >
> >
> >
> > Playing around with the Sony 8500 TV today
> >
> > Talkback allowed us to work through menus and channels / input sources
> > as well as the multiple menu levels with speech enabled Sony and Google
> > have in these tv’s given us the sightless more of an ability to control
> > the tv without sighted assistance.
> >
> >
> >
> > As for google docks and chrome vox,
> >
> >
> >
> >   This is surely just a start for Google and with time they will make
> > the g suite usable with voiceover or even jaws / widnow eyes.
> >
> >
> >
> > Google are doing some good thigns,
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mary Otten
> > *Sent:* Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:11 PM
> > *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > *Subject:* Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover
> >
> >
> >
> > There is no cost. And I can't talk about how good it is or isn't.
> > Frankly, I resented chrome box from the beginning. Because I thought the
> > Google should play along with the screen readers and not expect people
> > to learn a specific Screenwitter just so they can access their stuff. I
> > mean after all, we have lots of standards. Why did google have to do
> > something weird and different? HTML is HTML. But not if your Google. So
> > I have a bias against chrome box. But I can't speak to how good it is or
> > is not. I think Google should've played with the standards that existed
> > already in HTML and not expected blind people to learn a whole different
> > system just because they can..
> > Mary
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >
> > On Dec 28, 2016, at 9:37 PM, Simon Fogarty  > <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
> >
> > So how good is chrome vox?
> >
> >
> >
> > And is there a cost to get access to it?
> >
> >
> >
> > 

Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Matthew Dyer]

Hi,


I had a play with chrome vox on my mac here and it works well here.  I 
tested it with gmail and it works ok.  I wish there was a way to arrow 
the the list of message rather than pressing chromevox n then f for next 
form field to jump to each message checkbox.  other than that it works 
and I have chrome set as my default web browser.



Matthew




On 12/29/2016 10:49 AM, Chris G wrote:

Hi,
For what it is worth, Docs works fine with JAWS 17/18, Window-eyes 9.5 
and NVDA (latest version).


When I was playing with docs on the mac, I couldn't get VoiceOver to 
work at all.  Arrowing through the document said "beginning of text" 
or "end of text."  Sometimes it spoke each character twice. It was 
unusable.


I tried VoiceOver in Chrome with the same results.  Finally had to use 
ChromeVox in Chrome to work with Docs on the mac.




Chris Grabowski
Mystic Access
Where the magic is in learning.
http://www.MysticAccess.com

Check out our eclectic and comprehensive assistive technology podcasts 
at:

http://www.MysticAccessPodcast.com

Join our free announce-only mailing list to receive product news, 
podcast updates and exclusive coupon codes. Please send a blank email to:


manews-subscribe@mysticaccess.email

 Contact:

Phone: (716) 543-3323  (Ext. 500)

Twitter: MysticAccess
Facebook: mysticaccessempower



 Original Message 
From: Simon Fogarty
Sent: Thursday, Dec 29, 2016 1:17 AM EST
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

Hi Mary,



I can’t say I’mm really a fan boy of Google for most of their products,



However as I’m some what looking for a new tv currently I’m starting to
change my mind.



I’ve never really been a fan of Sony but the new Sony Android tvs I’m
realy changing my mind,



Playing around with the Sony 8500 TV today

Talkback allowed us to work through menus and channels / input sources
as well as the multiple menu levels with speech enabled Sony and Google
have in these tv’s given us the sightless more of an ability to control
the tv without sighted assistance.



As for google docks and chrome vox,



  This is surely just a start for Google and with time they will make
the g suite usable with voiceover or even jaws / widnow eyes.



Google are doing some good thigns,



*From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mary Otten
*Sent:* Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:11 PM
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover



There is no cost. And I can't talk about how good it is or isn't.
Frankly, I resented chrome box from the beginning. Because I thought the
Google should play along with the screen readers and not expect people
to learn a specific Screenwitter just so they can access their stuff. I
mean after all, we have lots of standards. Why did google have to do
something weird and different? HTML is HTML. But not if your Google. So
I have a bias against chrome box. But I can't speak to how good it is or
is not. I think Google should've played with the standards that existed
already in HTML and not expected blind people to learn a whole different
system just because they can..
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 28, 2016, at 9:37 PM, Simon Fogarty mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

So how good is chrome vox?



And is there a cost to get access to it?



*From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Kevin Chao
*Sent:* Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:22 AM
*To:* MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
*Subject:* Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover



I use and recommend ChromeVox on mac:


https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chromevox/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn 



It provides a lot better experience with G Suite.



On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 5:59 AM Kat DeNicola mailto:waterwogs...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi. Haven't had time to do a topic search for this, so maybe
it's already been addressed, but I'm having no luck using the
help information from google on using docs with voiceover on the
mac. I can't even find the edit field for the body of the
document, just the field for giving it a title. Navigating to
and activating a menu, or using the VO passthrough key and then
the shortcut to activate a specific menu, yields inconsistent
results. I made sure quicknav was off and that screen reader
mode was enabled. What am I missing? Or is it actually just a
mess anyway?

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Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Mary Otten]

Hi Simon, 
The Samsung TV I have is model number un32j5500af
They have a few I think with similar model numbers. This is a 32 inch model. 
They have larger ones. This one may have been exclusive to Best Buy. But if it 
is, there is another one with a very similar number. It's a smart TV. And you 
have to go into the menus and turn on the voice guidance. If your sales guy 
can't figure that out, I can find out exactly what steps to take to do that. 
Someone did kind of a rambling podcast on this TV earlier this year. Not 
everything talks, such as once you get into the hub. But if what you want is to 
use the TV and switch hdmi ports etc. and know what channel you're on and what 
program is on that channel if it's over the air, it works just fine. And there 
is some kind of guide that also seems to work fine, although I don't use it 
much. I accidentally went into it once, and it started telling me what programs 
were on the channel I was watching over the air. So, while it may not be as 
smooth as the other TV that was being discussed, the price was right and it 
does what I need it to do in an accessible way.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 28, 2016, at 11:10 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
>  
> Our sales people for these things no less than I do which is why I have fun 
> with their computers,
>  
>On the funny side I set one of their mac book pro machines to a greak 
> keyboard and Spanish display languages  it appears they reset it back to 
> factory defaults.
>  
> Anyway
>  
> What is the Samsung tv model you  have with the accessibility features?
>  
> I asked the sale guy  about accessibility in the samsungs but he couldn’t 
> find anything in the models they had in store,
>  
>  I’m not really a sony fan so if I could stay with Smsung  then I’d prefer to.
>  
> The fact the android OS was fully accessible  was the reason I was starting 
> to look at that more than anything else.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:39 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover
>  
> Hi Simon, all I can say is I hope you check out Samsung TVs before you decide 
> to buy a Sony. I say that because in my experience, the Samsung I just 
> purchased was a lot cheaper than a Sony I have recently Seen discussed on an 
> android list. They both have excess ability. I paid $219 US for a Samsung TV 
> 32 inches with excess ability. There is an android Sony TV probably the one 
> you have been talking about, which is twice that if not more. But I don't see 
> any point. Sure, you may have to get a little bit of cited help start out 
> with the Samsung TV. But I am just not convinced that the android thing is 
> worth it on the TV. I could take the money I saved I'm not buying that Sony 
> and spend it on a really awesome pair of headphones, which I did. And I think 
> I'll be ahead. But to each their own.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Dec 28, 2016, at 10:17 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
>  
> I can’t say I’mm really a fan boy of Google for most of their products,
>  
> However as I’m some what looking for a new tv currently I’m starting to 
> change my mind.
>  
> I’ve never really been a fan of Sony but the new Sony Android tvs  I’m realy 
> changing my mind,
>  
> Playing around with the Sony 8500 TV today
> Talkback allowed us to work through menus and channels / input sources as 
> well as the multiple menu levels with speech enabled Sony and Google have in 
> these tv’s given us the sightless more of an ability to control the tv 
> without sighted assistance.
>  
> As for google docks and chrome vox,
>  
>   This is surely just a start for Google and with time they will make the g 
> suite usable with voiceover or even jaws / widnow eyes.
>  
> Google are doing some good thigns,
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:11 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover
>  
> There is no cost. And I can't talk about how good it is or isn't. Frankly, I 
> resented chrome box from the beginning. Because I thought the Google should 
> play along with the screen readers and not expect people to learn a specific 
> Screenwitter just so they can access their stuff. I mean after all, we have 
> lots of standards. Why did google have to do something weird and different? 
> HTML is HTML. But not if your Google. So I have a bias against chrome box. 
> But I can&#

Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Matthew Dyer]

Hi,


Thanks for this.  Had a chance to play with this and worked with the 
interactive totorall last night and and it seems to work well over here.



Matthew




On 12/28/2016 05:50 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:

https://support.google.com/docs/answer/1632201?hl=en

On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 1:29 PM Matthew Dyer 
> wrote:


Is there a set of command keys someware to work with chromevox.  I
would like to take a good luck at this.


Matthew




On 12/28/2016 01:22 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:

I use and recommend ChromeVox on mac:

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chromevox/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn
It provides a lot better experience with G Suite.

On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 5:59 AM Kat DeNicola
mailto:waterwogs...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi. Haven't had time to do a topic search for this, so maybe
it's already been addressed, but I'm having no luck using the
help information from google on using docs with voiceover on
the mac. I can't even find the edit field for the body of the
document, just the field for giving it a title. Navigating to
and activating a menu, or using the VO passthrough key and
then the shortcut to activate a specific menu, yields
inconsistent results. I made sure quicknav was off and that
screen reader mode was enabled. What am I missing? Or is it
actually just a mess anyway?
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Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Chris G]

Hi Tim,
Freedom Scientific recommends IE, (I try and stay as far from IE as I 
can) most of my usage is with Firefox and Window-eyes or NVDA.  However 
I have used them with Chrome as well.




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 Original Message 
From: Tim Kilburn
Sent: Thursday, Dec 29, 2016 10:54 AM EST
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

Hi,

When using Google Docs with screen readers on the Windows side, are you
using IE or a different browser.  As far as I recall, IE and Google
didn't play well together at all.  Of course, this may have changed
since I've not bothered keeping up with much to that subject in the
Windows world.  I only touch Windows about once a month or so to work
within the Active Directory or to assist someone else, so I'm certainly
not much in the loop.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 29, 2016, at 08:49, Chris G mailto:jedikent@mysticaccess.email>> wrote:

Hi,
For what it is worth, Docs works fine with JAWS 17/18, Window-eyes 9.5
and NVDA (latest version).

When I was playing with docs on the mac, I couldn't get VoiceOver to
work at all.  Arrowing through the document said "beginning of text" or
"end of text."  Sometimes it spoke each character twice.  It was unusable.

I tried VoiceOver in Chrome with the same results.  Finally had to use
ChromeVox in Chrome to work with Docs on the mac.



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 Original Message 
From: Simon Fogarty
Sent: Thursday, Dec 29, 2016 1:17 AM EST
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

Hi Mary,



I can’t say I’mm really a fan boy of Google for most of their products,



However as I’m some what looking for a new tv currently I’m starting to
change my mind.



I’ve never really been a fan of Sony but the new Sony Android tvs  I’m
realy changing my mind,



Playing around with the Sony 8500 TV today

Talkback allowed us to work through menus and channels / input sources
as well as the multiple menu levels with speech enabled Sony and Google
have in these tv’s given us the sightless more of an ability to control
the tv without sighted assistance.



As for google docks and chrome vox,



 This is surely just a start for Google and with time they will make
the g suite usable with voiceover or even jaws / widnow eyes.



Google are doing some good thigns,



*From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mary Otten
*Sent:* Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:11 PM
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover



There is no cost. And I can't talk about how good it is or isn't.
Frankly, I resented chrome box from the beginning. Because I thought the
Google should play along with the screen readers and not expect people
to learn a specific Screenwitter just so they can access their stuff. I
mean after all, we have lots of standards. Why did google have to do
something weird and different? HTML is HTML. But not if your Google. So
I have a bias against chrome box. But I can't speak to how good it is or
is not. I think Google should've played with the standards that existed
already in HTML and not expected blind people to learn a whole different
system just because they can..
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 28, 2016, at 9:37 PM, Simon Fogarty mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>
<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

   So how good is chrome vox?



   And is there a cost to get access to it?



   *From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
   <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
   [mailto:ma

Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Chris G]

Hi,
For what it is worth, Docs works fine with JAWS 17/18, Window-eyes 9.5 
and NVDA (latest version).


When I was playing with docs on the mac, I couldn't get VoiceOver to 
work at all.  Arrowing through the document said "beginning of text" or 
"end of text."  Sometimes it spoke each character twice.  It was unusable.


I tried VoiceOver in Chrome with the same results.  Finally had to use 
ChromeVox in Chrome to work with Docs on the mac.




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 Original Message 
From: Simon Fogarty
Sent: Thursday, Dec 29, 2016 1:17 AM EST
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

Hi Mary,



I can’t say I’mm really a fan boy of Google for most of their products,



However as I’m some what looking for a new tv currently I’m starting to
change my mind.



I’ve never really been a fan of Sony but the new Sony Android tvs  I’m
realy changing my mind,



Playing around with the Sony 8500 TV today

Talkback allowed us to work through menus and channels / input sources
as well as the multiple menu levels with speech enabled Sony and Google
have in these tv’s given us the sightless more of an ability to control
the tv without sighted assistance.



As for google docks and chrome vox,



  This is surely just a start for Google and with time they will make
the g suite usable with voiceover or even jaws / widnow eyes.



Google are doing some good thigns,



*From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mary Otten
*Sent:* Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:11 PM
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover



There is no cost. And I can't talk about how good it is or isn't.
Frankly, I resented chrome box from the beginning. Because I thought the
Google should play along with the screen readers and not expect people
to learn a specific Screenwitter just so they can access their stuff. I
mean after all, we have lots of standards. Why did google have to do
something weird and different? HTML is HTML. But not if your Google. So
I have a bias against chrome box. But I can't speak to how good it is or
is not. I think Google should've played with the standards that existed
already in HTML and not expected blind people to learn a whole different
system just because they can..
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 28, 2016, at 9:37 PM, Simon Fogarty mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

So how good is chrome vox?



And is there a cost to get access to it?



*From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Kevin Chao
*Sent:* Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:22 AM
*To:* MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
*Subject:* Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover



I use and recommend ChromeVox on mac:


https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chromevox/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn

It provides a lot better experience with G Suite.



On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 5:59 AM Kat DeNicola mailto:waterwogs...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi. Haven't had time to do a topic search for this, so maybe
it's already been addressed, but I'm having no luck using the
help information from google on using docs with voiceover on the
mac. I can't even find the edit field for the body of the
document, just the field for giving it a title. Navigating to
and activating a menu, or using the VO passthrough key and then
the shortcut to activate a specific menu, yields inconsistent
results. I made sure quicknav was off and that screen reader
mode was enabled. What am I missing? Or is it actually just a
mess anyway?

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Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

We use the gSuite as part of my work and I've found it beneficial to use a 
combination of ChromeVox and VO when dealing with Google Docs, Sheets etc.  The 
biggest limitation with ChromeVox is that it is only useful within the browser 
itself.  Therefore, any MacOS menu items and/or other MacOS needs are not 
available to ChromeVox.  Using VO alone in either Chrome or Safari also has 
it's limitations as VO doesn't seem to access some of the menus within the 
Google Docs as well as CV does.  It's probably just me, but I often find it 
easier to access the edit area of a Google Doc with VO as opposed to CV.  There 
may be some improvements or commands in CV that I'm not aware of that would 
make it easier for me to navigate if I took the plunge and worked really hard 
at it, but I still find it best to go with the two screenreader solution when 
dealing with Google Docs and other apps in the suite.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 28, 2016, at 15:50, Kevin Chao  wrote:

https://support.google.com/docs/answer/1632201?hl=en 
<https://support.google.com/docs/answer/1632201?hl=en>

On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 1:29 PM Matthew Dyer mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Is there a set of command keys someware to work with chromevox.  I would like 
to take a good luck at this.


Matthew




On 12/28/2016 01:22 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:
> I use and recommend ChromeVox on mac:
> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chromevox/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn
>  
> <https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chromevox/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn>
> It provides a lot better experience with G Suite.
> 
> On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 5:59 AM Kat DeNicola  <mailto:waterwogs...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hi. Haven't had time to do a topic search for this, so maybe it's already 
> been addressed, but I'm having no luck using the help information from google 
> on using docs with voiceover on the mac. I can't even find the edit field for 
> the body of the document, just the field for giving it a title. Navigating to 
> and activating a menu, or using the VO passthrough key and then the shortcut 
> to activate a specific menu, yields inconsistent results. I made sure 
> quicknav was off and that screen reader mode was enabled. What am I missing? 
> Or is it actually just a mess anyway?
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Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Kat DeNicola]

I feel the same, but unfortunately I can’t take that stance when it comes to 
training clients whose work site uses it, both mac and PC versions.

It also bugs me that google doesn’t have an accessibility branch of their tech 
support like Apple and even Microsoft do. I called once and the woman didn’t 
even know what Talkback was.


Kat
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> On Dec 28, 2016, at 10:19 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> I agree with Mary completely, here.  Google seems to think it's fine to 
> ignore standard conventions, and make blind users learn their system.  I 
> don't consider that acceptable.  While it's true that different OSes have 
> different key commands, Google refuses to utilize the existing structure of 
> the OS, making users learn a whole new set of commands to accommodate them.  
> For as long as I have the choice to do so, I will refuse to use Google for 
> that reason alone.  I realize that they don't care about my small protest, 
> but I will do it anyway, and will continue to mark them down for 
> accessibility.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Dec 29, 2016, at 12:11 AM, Mary Otten > <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> There is no cost. And I can't talk about how good it is or isn't. Frankly, I 
>> resented chrome box from the beginning. Because I thought the Google should 
>> play along with the screen readers and not expect people to learn a specific 
>> Screenwitter just so they can access their stuff. I mean after all, we have 
>> lots of standards. Why did google have to do something weird and different? 
>> HTML is HTML. But not if your Google. So I have a bias against chrome box. 
>> But I can't speak to how good it is or is not. I think Google should've 
>> played with the standards that existed already in HTML and not expected 
>> blind people to learn a whole different system just because they can..
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Dec 28, 2016, at 9:37 PM, Simon Fogarty > <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>> So how good is chrome vox?
>>>  
>>> And is there a cost to get access to it?
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
>>> Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:22 AM
>>> To: MacVisionaries >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
>>> Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover
>>>  
>>> I use and recommend ChromeVox on mac:
>>> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chromevox/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn
>>>  
>>> <https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chromevox/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn>
>>> It provides a lot better experience with G Suite.
>>>  
>>> On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 5:59 AM Kat DeNicola >> <mailto:waterwogs...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> Hi. Haven't had time to do a topic search for this, so maybe it's already 
>>> been addressed, but I'm having no luck using the help information from 
>>> google on using docs with voiceover on the mac. I can't even find the edit 
>>> field for the body of the document, just the field for giving it a title. 
>>> Navigating to and activating a menu, or using the VO passthrough key and 
>>> then the shortcut to activate a specific menu, yields inconsistent results. 
>>> I made sure quicknav was off and that screen reader mode was enabled. What 
>>> am I missing? Or is it actually just a mess anyway?
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RE: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Mary,

Our sales people for these things no less than I do which is why I have fun 
with their computers,

   On the funny side I set one of their mac book pro machines to a greak 
keyboard and Spanish display languages  it appears they reset it back to 
factory defaults.

Anyway

What is the Samsung tv model you  have with the accessibility features?

I asked the sale guy  about accessibility in the samsungs but he couldn’t find 
anything in the models they had in store,

 I’m not really a sony fan so if I could stay with Smsung  then I’d prefer to.

The fact the android OS was fully accessible  was the reason I was starting to 
look at that more than anything else.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:39 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

Hi Simon, all I can say is I hope you check out Samsung TVs before you decide 
to buy a Sony. I say that because in my experience, the Samsung I just 
purchased was a lot cheaper than a Sony I have recently Seen discussed on an 
android list. They both have excess ability. I paid $219 US for a Samsung TV 32 
inches with excess ability. There is an android Sony TV probably the one you 
have been talking about, which is twice that if not more. But I don't see any 
point. Sure, you may have to get a little bit of cited help start out with the 
Samsung TV. But I am just not convinced that the android thing is worth it on 
the TV. I could take the money I saved I'm not buying that Sony and spend it on 
a really awesome pair of headphones, which I did. And I think I'll be ahead. 
But to each their own.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 28, 2016, at 10:17 PM, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
Hi Mary,

I can’t say I’mm really a fan boy of Google for most of their products,

However as I’m some what looking for a new tv currently I’m starting to change 
my mind.

I’ve never really been a fan of Sony but the new Sony Android tvs  I’m realy 
changing my mind,

Playing around with the Sony 8500 TV today
Talkback allowed us to work through menus and channels / input sources as well 
as the multiple menu levels with speech enabled Sony and Google have in these 
tv’s given us the sightless more of an ability to control the tv without 
sighted assistance.

As for google docks and chrome vox,

  This is surely just a start for Google and with time they will make the g 
suite usable with voiceover or even jaws / widnow eyes.

Google are doing some good thigns,

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:11 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

There is no cost. And I can't talk about how good it is or isn't. Frankly, I 
resented chrome box from the beginning. Because I thought the Google should 
play along with the screen readers and not expect people to learn a specific 
Screenwitter just so they can access their stuff. I mean after all, we have 
lots of standards. Why did google have to do something weird and different? 
HTML is HTML. But not if your Google. So I have a bias against chrome box. But 
I can't speak to how good it is or is not. I think Google should've played with 
the standards that existed already in HTML and not expected blind people to 
learn a whole different system just because they can..
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 28, 2016, at 9:37 PM, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
So how good is chrome vox?

And is there a cost to get access to it?

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:22 AM
To: MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

I use and recommend ChromeVox on mac:
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chromevox/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn
It provides a lot better experience with G Suite.

On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 5:59 AM Kat DeNicola 
mailto:waterwogs...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi. Haven't had time to do a topic search for this, so maybe it's already been 
addressed, but I'm having no luck using the help information from google on 
using docs with voiceover on the mac. I can't even find the edit field for the 
body of the document, just the field for giving it a title. Navigating to and 
activating a menu, or using the VO passthrough key and then the shortcut to 
activate a specific menu, yields inconsistent results. I made sure quicknav was 
off and that screen reader mode was enabled. What am I missing? Or

Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Mary Otten]

Hi Simon, all I can say is I hope you check out Samsung TVs before you decide 
to buy a Sony. I say that because in my experience, the Samsung I just 
purchased was a lot cheaper than a Sony I have recently Seen discussed on an 
android list. They both have excess ability. I paid $219 US for a Samsung TV 32 
inches with excess ability. There is an android Sony TV probably the one you 
have been talking about, which is twice that if not more. But I don't see any 
point. Sure, you may have to get a little bit of cited help start out with the 
Samsung TV. But I am just not convinced that the android thing is worth it on 
the TV. I could take the money I saved I'm not buying that Sony and spend it on 
a really awesome pair of headphones, which I did. And I think I'll be ahead. 
But to each their own.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 28, 2016, at 10:17 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
>  
> I can’t say I’mm really a fan boy of Google for most of their products,
>  
> However as I’m some what looking for a new tv currently I’m starting to 
> change my mind.
>  
> I’ve never really been a fan of Sony but the new Sony Android tvs  I’m realy 
> changing my mind,
>  
> Playing around with the Sony 8500 TV today
> Talkback allowed us to work through menus and channels / input sources as 
> well as the multiple menu levels with speech enabled Sony and Google have in 
> these tv’s given us the sightless more of an ability to control the tv 
> without sighted assistance.
>  
> As for google docks and chrome vox,
>  
>   This is surely just a start for Google and with time they will make the g 
> suite usable with voiceover or even jaws / widnow eyes.
>  
> Google are doing some good thigns,
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:11 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover
>  
> There is no cost. And I can't talk about how good it is or isn't. Frankly, I 
> resented chrome box from the beginning. Because I thought the Google should 
> play along with the screen readers and not expect people to learn a specific 
> Screenwitter just so they can access their stuff. I mean after all, we have 
> lots of standards. Why did google have to do something weird and different? 
> HTML is HTML. But not if your Google. So I have a bias against chrome box. 
> But I can't speak to how good it is or is not. I think Google should've 
> played with the standards that existed already in HTML and not expected blind 
> people to learn a whole different system just because they can..
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Dec 28, 2016, at 9:37 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> So how good is chrome vox?
>  
> And is there a cost to get access to it?
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
> Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:22 AM
> To: MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover
>  
> I use and recommend ChromeVox on mac:
> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chromevox/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn
> It provides a lot better experience with G Suite.
>  
> On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 5:59 AM Kat DeNicola  wrote:
> Hi. Haven't had time to do a topic search for this, so maybe it's already 
> been addressed, but I'm having no luck using the help information from google 
> on using docs with voiceover on the mac. I can't even find the edit field for 
> the body of the document, just the field for giving it a title. Navigating to 
> and activating a menu, or using the VO passthrough key and then the shortcut 
> to activate a specific menu, yields inconsistent results. I made sure 
> quicknav was off and that screen reader mode was enabled. What am I missing? 
> Or is it actually just a mess anyway?
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Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Donna Goodin]

I agree with Mary completely, here.  Google seems to think it's fine to ignore 
standard conventions, and make blind users learn their system.  I don't 
consider that acceptable.  While it's true that different OSes have different 
key commands, Google refuses to utilize the existing structure of the OS, 
making users learn a whole new set of commands to accommodate them.  For as 
long as I have the choice to do so, I will refuse to use Google for that reason 
alone.  I realize that they don't care about my small protest, but I will do it 
anyway, and will continue to mark them down for accessibility.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Dec 29, 2016, at 12:11 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> There is no cost. And I can't talk about how good it is or isn't. Frankly, I 
> resented chrome box from the beginning. Because I thought the Google should 
> play along with the screen readers and not expect people to learn a specific 
> Screenwitter just so they can access their stuff. I mean after all, we have 
> lots of standards. Why did google have to do something weird and different? 
> HTML is HTML. But not if your Google. So I have a bias against chrome box. 
> But I can't speak to how good it is or is not. I think Google should've 
> played with the standards that existed already in HTML and not expected blind 
> people to learn a whole different system just because they can..
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Dec 28, 2016, at 9:37 PM, Simon Fogarty  <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
> 
>> So how good is chrome vox?
>>  
>> And is there a cost to get access to it?
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
>> Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:22 AM
>> To: MacVisionaries > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
>> Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover
>>  
>> I use and recommend ChromeVox on mac:
>> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chromevox/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn
>>  
>> <https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chromevox/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn>
>> It provides a lot better experience with G Suite.
>>  
>> On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 5:59 AM Kat DeNicola > <mailto:waterwogs...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Hi. Haven't had time to do a topic search for this, so maybe it's already 
>> been addressed, but I'm having no luck using the help information from 
>> google on using docs with voiceover on the mac. I can't even find the edit 
>> field for the body of the document, just the field for giving it a title. 
>> Navigating to and activating a menu, or using the VO passthrough key and 
>> then the shortcut to activate a specific menu, yields inconsistent results. 
>> I made sure quicknav was off and that screen reader mode was enabled. What 
>> am I missing? Or is it actually just a mess anyway?
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RE: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Mary,

I can’t say I’mm really a fan boy of Google for most of their products,

However as I’m some what looking for a new tv currently I’m starting to change 
my mind.

I’ve never really been a fan of Sony but the new Sony Android tvs  I’m realy 
changing my mind,

Playing around with the Sony 8500 TV today
Talkback allowed us to work through menus and channels / input sources as well 
as the multiple menu levels with speech enabled Sony and Google have in these 
tv’s given us the sightless more of an ability to control the tv without 
sighted assistance.

As for google docks and chrome vox,

  This is surely just a start for Google and with time they will make the g 
suite usable with voiceover or even jaws / widnow eyes.

Google are doing some good thigns,

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:11 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

There is no cost. And I can't talk about how good it is or isn't. Frankly, I 
resented chrome box from the beginning. Because I thought the Google should 
play along with the screen readers and not expect people to learn a specific 
Screenwitter just so they can access their stuff. I mean after all, we have 
lots of standards. Why did google have to do something weird and different? 
HTML is HTML. But not if your Google. So I have a bias against chrome box. But 
I can't speak to how good it is or is not. I think Google should've played with 
the standards that existed already in HTML and not expected blind people to 
learn a whole different system just because they can..
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 28, 2016, at 9:37 PM, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
So how good is chrome vox?

And is there a cost to get access to it?

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:22 AM
To: MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

I use and recommend ChromeVox on mac:
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chromevox/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn
It provides a lot better experience with G Suite.

On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 5:59 AM Kat DeNicola 
mailto:waterwogs...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi. Haven't had time to do a topic search for this, so maybe it's already been 
addressed, but I'm having no luck using the help information from google on 
using docs with voiceover on the mac. I can't even find the edit field for the 
body of the document, just the field for giving it a title. Navigating to and 
activating a menu, or using the VO passthrough key and then the shortcut to 
activate a specific menu, yields inconsistent results. I made sure quicknav was 
off and that screen reader mode was enabled. What am I missing? Or is it 
actually just a mess anyway?
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Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Mary Otten]

There is no cost. And I can't talk about how good it is or isn't. Frankly, I 
resented chrome box from the beginning. Because I thought the Google should 
play along with the screen readers and not expect people to learn a specific 
Screenwitter just so they can access their stuff. I mean after all, we have 
lots of standards. Why did google have to do something weird and different? 
HTML is HTML. But not if your Google. So I have a bias against chrome box. But 
I can't speak to how good it is or is not. I think Google should've played with 
the standards that existed already in HTML and not expected blind people to 
learn a whole different system just because they can..
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 28, 2016, at 9:37 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> So how good is chrome vox?
>  
> And is there a cost to get access to it?
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
> Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:22 AM
> To: MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover
>  
> I use and recommend ChromeVox on mac:
> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chromevox/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn
> It provides a lot better experience with G Suite.
>  
> On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 5:59 AM Kat DeNicola  wrote:
> Hi. Haven't had time to do a topic search for this, so maybe it's already 
> been addressed, but I'm having no luck using the help information from google 
> on using docs with voiceover on the mac. I can't even find the edit field for 
> the body of the document, just the field for giving it a title. Navigating to 
> and activating a menu, or using the VO passthrough key and then the shortcut 
> to activate a specific menu, yields inconsistent results. I made sure 
> quicknav was off and that screen reader mode was enabled. What am I missing? 
> Or is it actually just a mess anyway?
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[Simon Fogarty]

So how good is chrome vox?

And is there a cost to get access to it?

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:22 AM
To: MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

I use and recommend ChromeVox on mac:
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chromevox/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn
It provides a lot better experience with G Suite.

On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 5:59 AM Kat DeNicola 
mailto:waterwogs...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi. Haven't had time to do a topic search for this, so maybe it's already been 
addressed, but I'm having no luck using the help information from google on 
using docs with voiceover on the mac. I can't even find the edit field for the 
body of the document, just the field for giving it a title. Navigating to and 
activating a menu, or using the VO passthrough key and then the shortcut to 
activate a specific menu, yields inconsistent results. I made sure quicknav was 
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Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Kevin Chao]

https://support.google.com/docs/answer/1632201?hl=en

On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 1:29 PM Matthew Dyer 
wrote:

> Is there a set of command keys someware to work with chromevox.  I would
> like to take a good luck at this.
>
>
> Matthew
>
>
>
>
> On 12/28/2016 01:22 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:
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> I use and recommend ChromeVox on mac:
>
> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chromevox/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn
> It provides a lot better experience with G Suite.
>
> On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 5:59 AM Kat DeNicola 
> wrote:
>
> Hi. Haven't had time to do a topic search for this, so maybe it's already
> been addressed, but I'm having no luck using the help information from
> google on using docs with voiceover on the mac. I can't even find the edit
> field for the body of the document, just the field for giving it a title.
> Navigating to and activating a menu, or using the VO passthrough key and
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Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Matthew Dyer]

Is there a set of command keys someware to work with chromevox. I would 
like to take a good luck at this.



Matthew




On 12/28/2016 01:22 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:

I use and recommend ChromeVox on mac:
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chromevox/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn
It provides a lot better experience with G Suite.

On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 5:59 AM Kat DeNicola > wrote:


Hi. Haven't had time to do a topic search for this, so maybe it's
already been addressed, but I'm having no luck using the help
information from google on using docs with voiceover on the mac. I
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Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Kevin Chao]

I use and recommend ChromeVox on mac:
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chromevox/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn
It provides a lot better experience with G Suite.

On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 5:59 AM Kat DeNicola  wrote:

> Hi. Haven't had time to do a topic search for this, so maybe it's already
> been addressed, but I'm having no luck using the help information from
> google on using docs with voiceover on the mac. I can't even find the edit
> field for the body of the document, just the field for giving it a title.
> Navigating to and activating a menu, or using the VO passthrough key and
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Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Kat DeNicola]

Hi. Haven't had time to do a topic search for this, so maybe it's already 
been addressed, but I'm having no luck using the help information from 
google on using docs with voiceover on the mac. I can't even find the edit 
field for the body of the document, just the field for giving it a title. 
Navigating to and activating a menu, or using the VO passthrough key and 
then the shortcut to activate a specific menu, yields inconsistent results. 
I made sure quicknav was off and that screen reader mode was enabled. What 
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Re: Google Docs question

[Kevin Chao]

In DOcs, there's also option+/ that will let you search through hotkeys

On Sun, Oct 2, 2016 at 8:12 AM michael babcock 
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> and your right sorry:
> To open a list of keyboard shortcuts in Google Docs, press Ctrl + /
> (Windows, Chrome OS) or ⌘ + / (Mac).
>
> On Oct 2, 2016, at 8:11 AM, michael babcock 
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> i’m sorry, you need to move focus out of the editing of the document with
> “VO+Left or VO+Right” then use the question mark to open the keystrokes.
> or, reference this article for the keystrokes:
>
> https://support.google.com/docs/answer/179738?co=GENIE.Platform%3DDesktop&hl=en
> <https://support.google.com/docs/answer/179738?co=GENIE.Platform=Desktop&hl=en>
>
> On Oct 2, 2016, at 7:58 AM, Chris G  wrote:
>
> Hi,
> So if I am editing in a doc for example, wouldn't a question mark put in a
> question mark?
> On my Chrome book and Windows machines it is control-slash, but it says it
> is different on the mac.
> My 2009 mac mini is too slow to do anything with.
> Chris
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> type a question mark on any google product.
> On Oct 2, 2016, at 7:46 AM, Chris G  wrote:
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> Using the mac I'm looking for the hot key in google docs to bring up a
> list of all hot keys.
> The online stuff I have found shows a picture.
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Hi,

Can someone that works with Google docs on the mac email me directly, I 
have some questions?


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Re: correction re: google docs:

[Jonathan Cohn]

I have used the question mark in Google Mail and Google Groups. So at least in 
some cases this will work for Google products too.

Best wishes,

Jonathan



> On Oct 2, 2016, at 11:18 AM, Michael Babcock  wrote:
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> the keystroke to bring keystrokes up is command+/
> In other web based   apps, that i use daily, e.g. Facebook, Twitter, Trello, 
> Slack, etc the keystroke to show keystrokes is a question mark, however 
> google products is a command+/ on the mac.
> That’s what i get for assuming!
> sorry for the confusion all, and next time i’ll consume coffee before i reply 
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Re: correction re: google docs:

[Chris G]

Thanks,
That is what I thought but wanted to make sure.



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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: correction re: google docs:

the keystroke to bring keystrokes up is command+/
In other web based   apps, that i use daily, e.g. Facebook, Twitter, 
Trello, Slack, etc the keystroke to show keystrokes is a question mark, 
however google products is a command+/ on the mac.

That’s what i get for assuming!
sorry for the confusion all, and next time i’ll consume coffee before i 
reply to list messages :)

best.
Michael


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correction re: google docs:

[Michael Babcock]

the keystroke to bring keystrokes up is command+/
In other web based   apps, that i use daily, e.g. Facebook, Twitter, Trello, 
Slack, etc the keystroke to show keystrokes is a question mark, however google 
products is a command+/ on the mac.
That’s what i get for assuming!
sorry for the confusion all, and next time i’ll consume coffee before i reply 
to list messages :)
best.
Michael

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Re: Google Docs question

[michael babcock]

and your right sorry:
To open a list of keyboard shortcuts in Google Docs, press Ctrl + / (Windows, 
Chrome OS) or ⌘ + / (Mac). 

> On Oct 2, 2016, at 8:11 AM, michael babcock  
> wrote:
> 
> i’m sorry, you need to move focus out of the editing of the document with 
> “VO+Left or VO+Right” then use the question mark to open the keystrokes. or, 
> reference this article for the keystrokes:
> https://support.google.com/docs/answer/179738?co=GENIE.Platform%3DDesktop&hl=en
>  
> <https://support.google.com/docs/answer/179738?co=GENIE.Platform=Desktop&hl=en>
> 
>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 7:58 AM, Chris G > <mailto:jedikent@mysticaccess.email>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> So if I am editing in a doc for example, wouldn't a question mark put in a 
>> question mark?
>> On my Chrome book and Windows machines it is control-slash, but it says it 
>> is different on the mac.
>> My 2009 mac mini is too slow to do anything with.
>> Chris
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>> type a question mark on any google product.
>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 7:46 AM, Chris G  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> Using the mac I'm looking for the hot key in google docs to bring up a list 
>> of all hot keys.
>> The online stuff I have found shows a picture.
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Re: Google Docs question

[michael babcock]

i’m sorry, you need to move focus out of the editing of the document with 
“VO+Left or VO+Right” then use the question mark to open the keystrokes. or, 
reference this article for the keystrokes:
https://support.google.com/docs/answer/179738?co=GENIE.Platform%3DDesktop&hl=en 
<https://support.google.com/docs/answer/179738?co=GENIE.Platform=Desktop&hl=en>

> On Oct 2, 2016, at 7:58 AM, Chris G  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> So if I am editing in a doc for example, wouldn't a question mark put in a 
> question mark?
> On my Chrome book and Windows machines it is control-slash, but it says it is 
> different on the mac.
> My 2009 mac mini is too slow to do anything with.
> Chris
> 
> 
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> type a question mark on any google product.
> On Oct 2, 2016, at 7:46 AM, Chris G  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> Using the mac I'm looking for the hot key in google docs to bring up a list 
> of all hot keys.
> The online stuff I have found shows a picture.
> Chris
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Re: Google Docs question

[Chris G]

Hi,
So if I am editing in a doc for example, wouldn't a question mark put in 
a question mark?
On my Chrome book and Windows machines it is control-slash, but it says 
it is different on the mac.

My 2009 mac mini is too slow to do anything with.
Chris



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Subject: Google Docs question

type a question mark on any google product.
On Oct 2, 2016, at 7:46 AM, Chris G  wrote:

Hi all,
Using the mac I'm looking for the hot key in google docs to bring up a 
list of all hot keys.

The online stuff I have found shows a picture.
Chris

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Re: Google Docs question

[michael babcock]

type a question mark on any google product.
> On Oct 2, 2016, at 7:46 AM, Chris G  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> Using the mac I'm looking for the hot key in google docs to bring up a list 
> of all hot keys.
> The online stuff I have found shows a picture.
> Chris
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Google Docs question

[Chris G]

Hi all,
Using the mac I'm looking for the hot key in google docs to bring up a 
list of all hot keys.

The online stuff I have found shows a picture.
Chris

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question about Google Docs and iOS 9.3.4

[Jenine Stanley]

I updated my work phone, a 5S to iOS 9.3.4. 

I receved a document via email attachment and wanted to put it over in Google 
docs. This option no longer appears on my share sheets, either from email, 
DropBox or anywhere else. I can open google Docs and see the files I already 
have but can’t seem to transfer anything. 

Has anyone else experienced this? If so, were you able to fix it? 


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Re: Collaborating on Google Docs with an iPad and the docs app or on the Mac

[Tim Kilburn]

hi,

Docs is actually just a web-based word processor.  I'd agree that it's probably 
easiest for you to use on your iPad.  It's actually quite accessible, although 
you may need to use arrow keys while in the text area of the shared document 
instead of VO navigation.  Haven't been in a collaboration session for a bit, 
so can't recall if you need to do anything special to refresh the content when 
on an iPad.  On the web, it tends to do it automatically, which can sometimes 
mess you up when in the document.  Overall, I would guess that it's not that 
difficult to learn as it is quite straight forward on the iOS version.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
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On Jul 12, 2016, at 16:31, Mary Otten  wrote:

I have the need to collaborate with people on a Google doc, which is apparently 
a database sort of thing, where we have to make phone calls and notes. I would 
like to use my iPad and the docs app, as that would seem to be the simplest 
way. I have a keyboard for my iPad. I could also use a Mac which I have, or an 
android device, but I would have to get a keyboard for that, so I would prefer 
not to use it. I am looking for information from people who have collaborated 
on Google Docs with an iPad or a Mac as to how complicated it is to learn. Is 
there a tutorial or explanatory document regarding voiceover and Google Docs?
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Collaborating on Google Docs with an iPad and the docs app or on the Mac

[Mary Otten]

I have the need to collaborate with people on a Google doc, which is apparently 
a database sort of thing, where we have to make phone calls and notes. I would 
like to use my iPad and the docs app, as that would seem to be the simplest 
way. I have a keyboard for my iPad. I could also use a Mac which I have, or an 
android device, but I would have to get a keyboard for that, so I would prefer 
not to use it. I am looking for information from people who have collaborated 
on Google Docs with an iPad or a Mac as to how complicated it is to learn. Is 
there a tutorial or explanatory document regarding voiceover and Google Docs?
Mary


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Survey - Accessibility Feedback For Google Docs, Sheets, Slides and Drive | Inclusive Android

[Kevin Chao]

This is your opportunity to provide feedback and identify issues or problems 
you are having with the accessibility of Docs, Sheets, Slides, and Drive. The 
goal of this quick survey is to identify pain points, feature requests for 
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Re: Pages or google docs?

[Devin Prater]

My problem with pages is when I'm using it on the iPhone, the documents don't 
always open, I don't know why that is. 

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> Pages is very accessible. I’ve mentioned this before, but I’ve done complex 
> documents in Pages with tables, table of contents, headings and the like 
> before with few issues. Track changes works better for VO users as a modal 
> dialog pops up with the suggested change which you can accept or ignore.
> 
> Google Docs is somewhat accessible if you’re contributing to a document and 
> are just focused on writing and correcting. VO-L doesn’t read the current 
> line, so there is up and down arrowing you must do to read what you’ve 
> written. You can read comments and changes made by others. As for formatting 
> and making things presentable, I stick to Pages. I’ve only ever used Google 
> Docs in Chrome on the web. 
> 
> Kevin
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>> On Jun 26, 2015, at 9:11 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
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>> Hi all. I’ve been wondering if anyone has used both Pages and Google docs, 
>> and which is more accessible and which is more useful?
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Re: Pages or google docs?

[venky . 92]

Hi,
I i'm often in scenarios where I have to collaborate with others on documents. 
Until recently, I did this the old way(sending attachments to emails). I've 
tried using Google Docs with voice-over and Safari and chrome
I feel, using Google Docs with chromeVox the best option. Since not many people 
in my university use Os X I have never tried collaborating on documents with 
pages
Hope this helps
Thank U
Regards,
Venkatesh

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> documents in Pages with tables, table of contents, headings and the like 
> before with few issues. Track changes works better for VO users as a modal 
> dialog pops up with the suggested change which you can accept or ignore.
> 
> Google Docs is somewhat accessible if you’re contributing to a document and 
> are just focused on writing and correcting. VO-L doesn’t read the current 
> line, so there is up and down arrowing you must do to read what you’ve 
> written. You can read comments and changes made by others. As for formatting 
> and making things presentable, I stick to Pages. I’ve only ever used Google 
> Docs in Chrome on the web. 
> 
> Kevin
> 
>> On Jun 26, 2015, at 9:11 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all. I’ve been wondering if anyone has used both Pages and Google docs, 
>> and which is more accessible and which is more useful?
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Re: Pages or google docs?

[Kevin Shaw]

Pages is very accessible. I’ve mentioned this before, but I’ve done complex 
documents in Pages with tables, table of contents, headings and the like before 
with few issues. Track changes works better for VO users as a modal dialog pops 
up with the suggested change which you can accept or ignore.

Google Docs is somewhat accessible if you’re contributing to a document and are 
just focused on writing and correcting. VO-L doesn’t read the current line, so 
there is up and down arrowing you must do to read what you’ve written. You can 
read comments and changes made by others. As for formatting and making things 
presentable, I stick to Pages. I’ve only ever used Google Docs in Chrome on the 
web. 

Kevin

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> and which is more accessible and which is more useful?
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Pages or google docs?

[Devin Prater]

Hi all. I’ve been wondering if anyone has used both Pages and Google docs, and 
which is more accessible and which is more useful?

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Re: Using google docs with voiceover

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Hi,

Navigating within the Google Doc itself is not near as efficient as doing so in 
TextEdit or some other Word processor.  When you first open a gDoc, focus is 
normally put on the editable area.  If you just arrow down you will hear a thud 
then the text of the specific line that has keyboard focus.  You can continue 
arrowing down/up to hear whatever is on that line and arrow right/left to go 
character by character.  If you VO out of that area and take focus elsewhere, 
it is often difficult, but not impossible, to get your self back in  without 
quitting and re-opening the gDoc.  I admit that I’m not a user of QuickNav so 
have not used it at all when navigating within various Google apps.  I normally 
just use the tab key, the return key, arrow keys and VO navigation when doing 
so in Safari.  Myself, I find it easiest to use a combination of Chrome with 
ChromeVox and Safari with VO when working with apps in the Google Apps suite.

Regarding the menus, make sure that Screen Reader Support is enabled when you 
enter into your gDoc then doing as you’ve mentioned usually works for me.  That 
is, VO-space to activate the menu, then VO-arrows to navigate through the 
options.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 30, 2015, at 19:58, Venkatesh Potluri  wrote:

Hi list,
I have a few doubts about using google docs with VoiceOver.
I managed to read through google's documentation on using google docs
with screen readers and as suggested there, I use it in safari by
enabling and disabling QuickNav to do certain tasks. I am able to
create documents, name them, and copy-paste text into them from
textEdit. The reason behind using TextEdit to write the document is I
am unable to navigate in the document to make changes after typing it
in google docs. How do I do this? That is, How do I navigate to a
particular line or a word after typing it and edit it? How do I add
specific comments by selecting text in the document? As of now, I am
using the Docs app on iOS to select text and add comments. How ever, I
would be more comfortable to do this on my computer keyboard (if there
is a possibility).
I am unable to access the options in the menus. I just hear the sound
VO makes when a PopUp box is activated and the first few options in
the menu when I press down aero(QuickNav turned on) or VO+Down Aero
(QuickNav off) after activating the menu. How do I do this?
Specifically, I would want to export the document and share it with
others in most cases.
Any help or suggestions would be of great value.
Thank you.
Regards,
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Using google docs with voiceover

[Venkatesh Potluri]

Hi list,
I have a few doubts about using google docs with VoiceOver.
I managed to read through google's documentation on using google docs
with screen readers and as suggested there, I use it in safari by
enabling and disabling QuickNav to do certain tasks. I am able to
create documents, name them, and copy-paste text into them from
textEdit. The reason behind using TextEdit to write the document is I
am unable to navigate in the document to make changes after typing it
in google docs. How do I do this? That is, How do I navigate to a
particular line or a word after typing it and edit it? How do I add
specific comments by selecting text in the document? As of now, I am
using the Docs app on iOS to select text and add comments. How ever, I
would be more comfortable to do this on my computer keyboard (if there
is a possibility).
I am unable to access the options in the menus. I just hear the sound
VO makes when a PopUp box is activated and the first few options in
the menu when I press down aero(QuickNav turned on) or VO+Down Aero
(QuickNav off) after activating the menu. How do I do this?
Specifically, I would want to export the document and share it with
others in most cases.
Any help or suggestions would be of great value.
Thank you.
Regards,
Venkatesh Potluri
http://www.venkateshpotluri.me

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RE: Google docs mobile claims better accessibility

[Edward Green]

Hi Matt,

 

The other thing to point out (and apologies if you or your student know this 
already) is that you can’t actually get to Google Docs directly by expanding 
the Apps link on the Google web page.  You have to go into Google Drive first, 
and either open an existing document or click on the New button, which opens a 
menu where you can choose to start a new Google Docs document.

 

Cheers,

 

Ed

 

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On Behalf Of Matthew Dierckens
Sent: 23 January 2015 23:55
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Google docs mobile claims better accessibility

 

Ed and Chris.

Thank you so much for this information! I'll be sure to check it out.

 

God bless. :)

Matthew Dierckens
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Macintosh Trainer
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On Jan 23, 2015, at 17:41, Edward Green mailto:ergreen1...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi matt,

 

You can just about use VO and Safari to compose and read Google Docs.  There 
are some fairly annoying issues (at least on my system), E.G. when you navigate 
by whatever textual unit, you get the sound you get when you try to navigate 
passed the top or bottom of a web page.  By default, you’ll also have each 
character spoken regardless of your key echo setting. You can bizarrely stop 
this by turning on braille support in Google Docs, you don’t need to have a 
braille display.

 

Generally speaking, for whichever Google App you want to use with Safari, you 
should turn off quick nav, disregard most of the quick keys you’re used to 
using to navigate HTML documents in Safari and use Google shortcuts.  This also 
applies under Windows if you ever use that environment.

 

Cheers,

 

Ed

On 23 Jan 2015, at 21:24, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Last I heard Google favors using their own Chrome browser with ChromeVox with 
Google docs. Of course that means, essentially, using two screen readers to get 
stuff done which I consider a non-starter.

CB

On 1/23/15 4:06 PM, Matthew Dierckens wrote:

Does anyone know about OS X? My student was asking me about it today. 

 

God bless. :)

Matthew Dierckens
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Blind Access Training
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1-877-774-7670, extension 3
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Personal email:

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On Jan 23, 2015, at 16:02, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

While I don't use them, Google did give a mention to improved accessibility for 
VO users on iOS in their announcements.

http://googledocs.blogspot.com/2015/01/updated-mobile-apps.html

>From the article:

"Making everything more accessible
If you’re blind or have low vision, we have improved support and performance 
for TalkBack on Android and VoiceOver on iOS to create, edit, and share files 
in Docs, Sheets and Slides. The updated apps also respond well to screen 
magnification, in case you need to zoom in for a closer look."

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Re: Google docs mobile claims better accessibility

[Matthew Dierckens]

Ed and Chris.
Thank you so much for this information! I'll be sure to check it out.

God bless. :)
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> On Jan 23, 2015, at 17:41, Edward Green  wrote:
> 
> Hi matt,
> 
> You can just about use VO and Safari to compose and read Google Docs.  There 
> are some fairly annoying issues (at least on my system), E.G. when you 
> navigate by whatever textual unit, you get the sound you get when you try to 
> navigate passed the top or bottom of a web page.  By default, you’ll also 
> have each character spoken regardless of your key echo setting. You can 
> bizarrely stop this by turning on braille support in Google Docs, you don’t 
> need to have a braille display.
> 
> Generally speaking, for whichever Google App you want to use with Safari, you 
> should turn off quick nav, disregard most of the quick keys you’re used to 
> using to navigate HTML documents in Safari and use Google shortcuts.  This 
> also applies under Windows if you ever use that environment.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Ed
>> On 23 Jan 2015, at 21:24, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Last I heard Google favors using their own Chrome browser with ChromeVox 
>> with Google docs. Of course that means, essentially, using two screen 
>> readers to get stuff done which I consider a non-starter.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> On 1/23/15 4:06 PM, Matthew Dierckens wrote:
>>> Does anyone know about OS X? My student was asking me about it today.
>>> 
>>> God bless. :)
>>> Matthew Dierckens
>>> Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
>>> Macintosh Trainer
>>> Blind Access Training
>>> www.blindaccesstraining.com <http://www.blindaccesstraining.com/>
>>> 1-877-774-7670, extension 3
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>>> matt...@blindaccesstraining.com <mailto:matt...@blindaccesstraining.com>
>>> Personal email:
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>>>> On Jan 23, 2015, at 16:02, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> While I don't use them, Google did give a mention to improved 
>>>> accessibility for VO users on iOS in their announcements.
>>>> 
>>>> http://googledocs.blogspot.com/2015/01/updated-mobile-apps.html 
>>>> <http://googledocs.blogspot.com/2015/01/updated-mobile-apps.html>
>>>> 
>>>> From the article:
>>>> 
>>>> "Making everything more accessible
>>>> If you’re blind or have low vision, we have improved support and 
>>>> performance for TalkBack on Android and VoiceOver on iOS to create, edit, 
>>>> and share files in Docs, Sheets and Slides. The updated apps also respond 
>>>> well to screen magnification, in case you need to zoom in for a closer 
>>>> look."
>>>> 
>>>> CB
>>>> 
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Re: Google docs mobile claims better accessibility

[Edward Green]

Hi matt,

You can just about use VO and Safari to compose and read Google Docs.  There 
are some fairly annoying issues (at least on my system), E.G. when you navigate 
by whatever textual unit, you get the sound you get when you try to navigate 
passed the top or bottom of a web page.  By default, you’ll also have each 
character spoken regardless of your key echo setting. You can bizarrely stop 
this by turning on braille support in Google Docs, you don’t need to have a 
braille display.

Generally speaking, for whichever Google App you want to use with Safari, you 
should turn off quick nav, disregard most of the quick keys you’re used to 
using to navigate HTML documents in Safari and use Google shortcuts.  This also 
applies under Windows if you ever use that environment.

Cheers,

Ed
> On 23 Jan 2015, at 21:24, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Last I heard Google favors using their own Chrome browser with ChromeVox with 
> Google docs. Of course that means, essentially, using two screen readers to 
> get stuff done which I consider a non-starter.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 1/23/15 4:06 PM, Matthew Dierckens wrote:
>> Does anyone know about OS X? My student was asking me about it today.
>> 
>> God bless. :)
>> Matthew Dierckens
>> Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
>> Macintosh Trainer
>> Blind Access Training
>> www.blindaccesstraining.com <http://www.blindaccesstraining.com/>
>> 1-877-774-7670, extension 3
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>> Personal email:
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>>> On Jan 23, 2015, at 16:02, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> While I don't use them, Google did give a mention to improved accessibility 
>>> for VO users on iOS in their announcements.
>>> 
>>> http://googledocs.blogspot.com/2015/01/updated-mobile-apps.html 
>>> <http://googledocs.blogspot.com/2015/01/updated-mobile-apps.html>
>>> 
>>> From the article:
>>> 
>>> "Making everything more accessible
>>> If you’re blind or have low vision, we have improved support and 
>>> performance for TalkBack on Android and VoiceOver on iOS to create, edit, 
>>> and share files in Docs, Sheets and Slides. The updated apps also respond 
>>> well to screen magnification, in case you need to zoom in for a closer 
>>> look."
>>> 
>>> CB
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Re: Google docs mobile claims better accessibility

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

Last I heard Google favors using their own Chrome browser with ChromeVox 
with Google docs. Of course that means, essentially, using two screen 
readers to get stuff done which I consider a non-starter.


CB

On 1/23/15 4:06 PM, Matthew Dierckens wrote:

Does anyone know about OS X? My student was asking me about it today.

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On Jan 23, 2015, at 16:02, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:


While I don't use them, Google did give a mention to improved 
accessibility for VO users on iOS in their announcements.


http://googledocs.blogspot.com/2015/01/updated-mobile-apps.html

From the article:

"Making everything more accessible
If you’re blind or have low vision, we have improved support and 
performance for TalkBack on Android and VoiceOver on iOS to create, 
edit, and share files in Docs, Sheets and Slides. The updated apps 
also respond well to screen magnification, in case you need to zoom 
in for a closer look."


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Re: Google docs mobile claims better accessibility

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Does anyone know about OS X? My student was asking me about it today.

God bless. :)
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> On Jan 23, 2015, at 16:02, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> While I don't use them, Google did give a mention to improved accessibility 
> for VO users on iOS in their announcements.
> 
> http://googledocs.blogspot.com/2015/01/updated-mobile-apps.html
> 
> From the article:
> 
> "Making everything more accessible
> If you’re blind or have low vision, we have improved support and performance 
> for TalkBack on Android and VoiceOver on iOS to create, edit, and share files 
> in Docs, Sheets and Slides. The updated apps also respond well to screen 
> magnification, in case you need to zoom in for a closer look."
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Google docs mobile claims better accessibility

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

While I don't use them, Google did give a mention to improved 
accessibility for VO users on iOS in their announcements.


http://googledocs.blogspot.com/2015/01/updated-mobile-apps.html

From the article:

"Making everything more accessible
If you’re blind or have low vision, we have improved support and 
performance for TalkBack on Android and VoiceOver on iOS to create, 
edit, and share files in Docs, Sheets and Slides. The updated apps also 
respond well to screen magnification, in case you need to zoom in for a 
closer look."


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Re: google docs

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

When accessing Google Docs, a couple of things may help.  The best way to 
access Google Docs is with Chrome and ChromeVox.  But, if you’re not 
comfortable using that package, Safari will work with a bit of different 
navigation than you may be used to.  In Safari, when you first open the Doc, 
wait a few seconds for the Doc to load, then just use your arrow keys, with no 
VO keys.  Arrowing up/down will read line by line and left/right will read 
character by character.  It also tends to move the cursor along with you and 
thus you can enter info as you go.  Also, when not within the text area, using 
the tab key to move between elements works quite nice and simply press return 
to activate a link, or spacebar to activate a button.

On an organizational note, she is correct that the Google Doc allows for better 
on-going collaboration but I find that Google Forms work much nicer for survey 
kinds of things.  You can leave the results viewable to the persons submitting 
responses so that they are able to look at theirs and others submissions.  Note 
that I said viewable, not editable, so your data remains accurate.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Dec 1, 2014, at 18:28, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
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> hello group; i am in the process of doing an interview for my blog. the site 
> owner wants to use google docs. she says it allows continued collaboration 
> throughout the process. just visited the page. i turned accessibility on but 
> it didn't do much. it allowed me to read the questions but they were read all 
> in one string and i couldn't find out how to reply to them. any help would be 
> appreciated. thanks, max 
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google docs

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hello group; i am in the process of doing an interview for my blog. the site 
owner wants to use google docs. she says it allows continued collaboration 
throughout the process. just visited the page. i turned accessibility on but it 
didn't do much. it allowed me to read the questions but they were read all in 
one string and i couldn't find out how to reply to them. any help would be 
appreciated. thanks, max 

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Re: Google Docs

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Well, that was too easy of a solution for me :)

CB

On 10/2/14, 3:23 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

In Google Sheets, I usually just use arrow keys, no ChromeVox or VO keys and 
I’m able to navigate around Sheets quite well.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 2, 2014, at 1:13 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:


Noticed some press about improved accessibility and wondered if anyone had 
tried it. I tried reading a Google Docs Spreadsheet and ran into an issue where 
the file had the first couple rows locked (headings for the columns) and I 
couldn't get past them to get to the real stuff after the headings. I was able 
to at least navigate around pretty well which is better than before but I'm 
still unable to get very far with the locked rows bug. They do say that you can 
contact them for phone support on accessibility so maybe I'll have to take them 
up on it.

https://support.google.com/docs/answer/1632201

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Re: Google Docs

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

In Google Sheets, I usually just use arrow keys, no ChromeVox or VO keys and 
I’m able to navigate around Sheets quite well.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

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 wrote:

> Noticed some press about improved accessibility and wondered if anyone had 
> tried it. I tried reading a Google Docs Spreadsheet and ran into an issue 
> where the file had the first couple rows locked (headings for the columns) 
> and I couldn't get past them to get to the real stuff after the headings. I 
> was able to at least navigate around pretty well which is better than before 
> but I'm still unable to get very far with the locked rows bug. They do say 
> that you can contact them for phone support on accessibility so maybe I'll 
> have to take them up on it.
> 
> https://support.google.com/docs/answer/1632201
> 
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Google Docs

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

Noticed some press about improved accessibility and wondered if anyone 
had tried it. I tried reading a Google Docs Spreadsheet and ran into an 
issue where the file had the first couple rows locked (headings for the 
columns) and I couldn't get past them to get to the real stuff after the 
headings. I was able to at least navigate around pretty well which is 
better than before but I'm still unable to get very far with the locked 
rows bug. They do say that you can contact them for phone support on 
accessibility so maybe I'll have to take them up on it.


https://support.google.com/docs/answer/1632201

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Re: Editing google docs. Any success?

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

Thank you for this.  I’m having some success but, its very inconsistent.  
Sometimes I can find the edit field with the text, other times I can’t.  Some 
times I can edit the text, and sometimes I can’t.  lol.  You would think 
Google’s never heard of accessibility before the way there various sites work 
with screen readers.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Aug 7, 2013, at 4:52 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi Ricardo,
> 
> I wouldn't say that the experience is particularly pleasant but I am able to 
> use it successfully with both Chrome and Safari.  My School district uses 
> Google Apps for Education, thus I've kind of been forced to make things work 
> for me.  I find it easiest to create my documents using the Google Drive App 
> on my iPhone then usually do the rest either in Safari or Chrome.  Chrome 
> tends to be more useful accessing the document and beginning the editing or 
> completing process.  I normally leave VO on while using ChromeVox as it seems 
> to help in making sure that all things are read.  Both VO and ChromeVox 
> occasionally have problems locating the edit field but you can either tab 
> around or use the Item Chooser to bring focus to it.  Once in the Edit field, 
> it seems to work better to just use arrow keys on their own without VO keys 
> or the ChromeVox keys.
> 
> Hope that helps some.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On 2013-08-07, at 8:58 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
>> Hello list,
>> 
>> I’ve been playing around with google drive the last few days and was 
>> wondering what list members experiences have been with it?
>> 
>> For me, I’ve been able to create a text file via google drive on my iPhone, 
>> and even view it on the google drive site.  But to edit seems completely 
>> inaccessible.  This was in Safari.  I then tried using google chrome with 
>> chromevox.  I didn’t have much better results.
>> 
>> Being new to this, I definitely would rule out user inexperience and or 
>> error on my part.  lol.
>> 
>> Anyone have better luck with this, and can share some tips?
>> 
>> By the way, the creating and editing of documents on IOS wasn’t much better. 
>>  VO sees the edit field more as a slider than a true edit field.
>> 
>> thanks. 
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
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Re: Editing google docs. Any success?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi Ricardo,

I wouldn't say that the experience is particularly pleasant but I am able to 
use it successfully with both Chrome and Safari.  My School district uses 
Google Apps for Education, thus I've kind of been forced to make things work 
for me.  I find it easiest to create my documents using the Google Drive App on 
my iPhone then usually do the rest either in Safari or Chrome.  Chrome tends to 
be more useful accessing the document and beginning the editing or completing 
process.  I normally leave VO on while using ChromeVox as it seems to help in 
making sure that all things are read.  Both VO and ChromeVox occasionally have 
problems locating the edit field but you can either tab around or use the Item 
Chooser to bring focus to it.  Once in the Edit field, it seems to work better 
to just use arrow keys on their own without VO keys or the ChromeVox keys.

Hope that helps some.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On 2013-08-07, at 8:58 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:

> Hello list,
> 
> I’ve been playing around with google drive the last few days and was 
> wondering what list members experiences have been with it?
> 
> For me, I’ve been able to create a text file via google drive on my iPhone, 
> and even view it on the google drive site.  But to edit seems completely 
> inaccessible.  This was in Safari.  I then tried using google chrome with 
> chromevox.  I didn’t have much better results.
> 
> Being new to this, I definitely would rule out user inexperience and or error 
> on my part.  lol.
> 
> Anyone have better luck with this, and can share some tips?
> 
> By the way, the creating and editing of documents on IOS wasn’t much better.  
> VO sees the edit field more as a slider than a true edit field.
> 
> thanks. 
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
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Editing google docs. Any success?

[Ricardo Walker]

Hello list,

I’ve been playing around with google drive the last few days and was wondering 
what list members experiences have been with it?

For me, I’ve been able to create a text file via google drive on my iPhone, and 
even view it on the google drive site.  But to edit seems completely 
inaccessible.  This was in Safari.  I then tried using google chrome with 
chromevox.  I didn’t have much better results.

Being new to this, I definitely would rule out user inexperience and or error 
on my part.  lol.

Anyone have better luck with this, and can share some tips?

By the way, the creating and editing of documents on IOS wasn’t much better.  
VO sees the edit field more as a slider than a true edit field.

thanks. 

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
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Re: Editing Google Docs

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Yes, Chrome seems to work best within Google Apps.  If you have an iPhone or 
iPad, the Google Drive app works very well and is sometimes easier to work with 
than from within a browser.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

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> What is the best way to edit Google Docs on the Mac? Is it Chrome?
> 
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Editing Google Docs

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What is the best way to edit Google Docs on the Mac? Is it Chrome?

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Re: Google Plus and Google Docs

[Chris Blouch]

From past discussions it seems like the best (only) way to use Google 
Docs well is to kick VO to the curb and use ChromeVox with the Chrome 
browser. It's the Google way and you have to buy into their entire 
ecosystem for it to work.


CB

On 2/15/13 4:04 PM, Brian Fischler wrote:

Hey all,

I know Google docs have been discussed on this list and I could have
sworn I saw a bunch of mentions on Google Plus, but I couldn't find
what I was looking for in the macvisionaries groups directory, so
pardon me for posting this.

I have to use Google docs and plus for a new work assignment and am
still finding them terribly inaccessible. Has anyone found a good way
to use either of them, and if so has anyone done a podcast on it or
put together any documentation.

Regarding Google Plus I just took a look at it, and it was like
reading Greek. I tried plus one a few things, but couldn't even find
where what I had plus one on my google plus page appeared. Is editing
your profile and adding people accessible either on the mac or iPhone?
I played around with both but really didn't have any clue what I was
doing, so if it is accessible, please point me in any direction where
I can learn how to use google plus.

Regarding Google docs, I tried accessing them on the mac Iphone, Googe
Drive, and couldn't edit the spread sheet that I need to. Has anyone
figured out how to? It still blows me away at the lack of Google and
its accessibility. I tried using chromevox, but compared to voiceover
it is like using such an inferior screen reader with no rotor and
quick way to navigate a page that I lose my patience with it. Thanks
for any help.



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Google Plus and Google Docs

[Brian Fischler]

Hey all,

I know Google docs have been discussed on this list and I could have
sworn I saw a bunch of mentions on Google Plus, but I couldn't find
what I was looking for in the macvisionaries groups directory, so
pardon me for posting this.

I have to use Google docs and plus for a new work assignment and am
still finding them terribly inaccessible. Has anyone found a good way
to use either of them, and if so has anyone done a podcast on it or
put together any documentation.

Regarding Google Plus I just took a look at it, and it was like
reading Greek. I tried plus one a few things, but couldn't even find
where what I had plus one on my google plus page appeared. Is editing
your profile and adding people accessible either on the mac or iPhone?
I played around with both but really didn't have any clue what I was
doing, so if it is accessible, please point me in any direction where
I can learn how to use google plus.

Regarding Google docs, I tried accessing them on the mac Iphone, Googe
Drive, and couldn't edit the spread sheet that I need to. Has anyone
figured out how to? It still blows me away at the lack of Google and
its accessibility. I tried using chromevox, but compared to voiceover
it is like using such an inferior screen reader with no rotor and
quick way to navigate a page that I lose my patience with it. Thanks
for any help.

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Google Docs

[John Panarese]

Hi folks,
 OK, I am trying to help someone work with a shared Google Document.   I 
know in the past that I was able to use VoiceOver with Google Docs.  For seem 
reason, this does not seem to be the case, or I have forgotten some aspect of 
doing so.  Does anyone have experience in doing this and if so, can they please 
provide me with some advice and pointers?


Take Care

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