Re: [MBZ] burning used oil

[Rich Thomas]

Hans -- here in TX I believe it is a law that if they sell oil they 
gotta take oil.  I go to the O'Reilly's and just go in back and pour 
mine in a tank they have (they take filters too), or to the recycle 
facility on Westpark.  The recycle facility is sort of a fun experience, 
in a weird way, the people they have working there seem to get really 
excited about bringing 3 or 4 gal of oil, for reasons about which I can 
only speculate.  they seem to have some limit but I usually yowyow with 
the attendant and it works out.


--R

Hans Neureiter wrote:

Long ago there was a discussion on how much drained engine oil (Mobil 1) is
OK to put in the fueltank.
I am finding it more and more difficult to drop off used oil at mac parts
places. They act annoyed and let you wait.
At $ 2.50+ a gallon diesel it would also cut down the initial cost of the
oil.
  

Re: [MBZ] Spotless?

[Hendrik Riessen]

Ooooh, the double whammy, getting the car dirty on the outside and the 
inside.
I am sometimes amazed at people who love their car more than their kids. 
That's why I drive old cars, doesn't matter if they get it dirty, scratch it 
or sit on the boot. I do draw the line on sitting on the roof. A while ago 
my 5 year old managed to knock the webber down the stairs and into the side 
of the 123, leaving a little dent in the drivers door. Big deal, just 
another one to add to the collection.


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From: "Zeitgeist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 9:33 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Spotless?



Try living on a dirt road and raising two young kids...oh, and the butler
simply refuses to wash the Rolls.

Re: [MBZ] how the mighty have fallen

[Gary Hurst]

that's crystal, dude. pay attention

well, i see dickie restored his domain.


On 1/3/07, Sunil Hari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


who's the blonde?

On 1/3/07, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> it will be back, even if only in its shell form.  it's just a shame how
> far
> down mbz.org has gone given what a major player it once was in the
> mercedes
> world
>
> On 1/3/07, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > http://mbz.org/
> > >
> > > it would be sad were it  not so comical
> >
> > Hm.  Actually I was browsing some of the old mblist and diesel
> > archives there recently, and there's still a lot of useful info to be
> > found.  The site navigation is not great, but google has it pretty
> > well indexed.
> >
> > Too bad, really.
> >
> > Allan
> > --
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Re: [MBZ] Spotless?

[Zeitgeist]

Try living on a dirt road and raising two young kids...oh, and the butler
simply refuses to wash the Rolls.

On 1/3/07, Kevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 04:16:35PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Try living on a dirt road sometime.



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Re: [MBZ] how the mighty have fallen

[Sunil Hari]

who's the blonde?

On 1/3/07, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


it will be back, even if only in its shell form.  it's just a shame how
far
down mbz.org has gone given what a major player it once was in the
mercedes
world

On 1/3/07, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > http://mbz.org/
> >
> > it would be sad were it  not so comical
>
> Hm.  Actually I was browsing some of the old mblist and diesel
> archives there recently, and there's still a lot of useful info to be
> found.  The site navigation is not great, but google has it pretty
> well indexed.
>
> Too bad, really.
>
> Allan
> --
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> 1966 230
>
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Re: [MBZ] how the mighty have fallen

[Gary Hurst]

it will be back, even if only in its shell form.  it's just a shame how far
down mbz.org has gone given what a major player it once was in the mercedes
world

On 1/3/07, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


"Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> http://mbz.org/
>
> it would be sad were it  not so comical

Hm.  Actually I was browsing some of the old mblist and diesel
archives there recently, and there's still a lot of useful info to be
found.  The site navigation is not great, but google has it pretty
well indexed.

Too bad, really.

Allan
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1966 230

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Re: [MBZ] burning used oil

[Marshall Booth]

Hans Neureiter wrote:

Long ago there was a discussion on how much drained engine oil (Mobil 1) is
OK to put in the fueltank.
I am finding it more and more difficult to drop off used oil at mac parts
places. They act annoyed and let you wait.
At $ 2.50+ a gallon diesel it would also cut down the initial cost of the
oil.


The idea of pumping used motor oil (that is sufficiently contaminated to 
be discarded) through the most precise piece of equipment in your car 
(the injection pump and system) seems insane to me.


On top of that, motor oil burns hotter than diesel fuel so outside the 
range that the engine was optimized for. Conventional motor oil burns a 
bit more smoothly than Mobil 1! I've been told that the companies that 
make the furnaces that burn used motor oil have recommended NOT using 
Mobil 1 or other group IV synthetics, but I am not aware of their 
reasoning.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] how the mighty have fallen

[Allan Streib]

"Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> http://mbz.org/
>
> it would be sad were it  not so comical

Hm.  Actually I was browsing some of the old mblist and diesel
archives there recently, and there's still a lot of useful info to be
found.  The site navigation is not great, but google has it pretty
well indexed.

Too bad, really.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D
1966 230

Re: [MBZ] Over-rated

[Hendrik Riessen]

What's wrong with the 924? Alright, in the world of sports cars it may come 
up a little short but for what it was meant to be, it actually worked pretty 
well. Sure, perhaps it should have worn an AUDI badge and then the Porsche 
purists would have been happy. However Porsche managment decided it was good 
enough to have a Porsche badge, so it must have been not too bad.


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Over-rated


>


I did wonder about that. The 924 is a possibility but since it's never had 
a

good review

RLE

Re: [MBZ] CA Trip Questions

[Marshall Booth]

Bob Rentfro wrote:
The cool running still baffels me. I need to verify the gauge/sensor I 
suppose (like Mr. Jim said).
After it should be at NOP/NOT, everything FEELS correctly and equally hot 
(both hoses, top of rad, t-stat housing).


Which is more likely to fail or give false readings...temp sensor or temp 
gauge?


Neither temp sensors or gauges commonly fail (I've never had to replace 
either), but I'd guess the sensor would be just a bit more likely to fail.


Marshall
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[MBZ] how the mighty have fallen

[Gary Hurst]

http://mbz.org/

it would be sad were it  not so comical

Re: [MBZ] burning used oil

[Christopher McCann]

He also said that synthetic won't work as well as dino...(higher flash  point 
maybe?) And then he added the caveat that our cars are designed  to run on #2 
diesel and not concoctions of motor oil. I imagine he will  chime in and repeat 
what he said.
  
  Chris
  
  

Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Hans,

IIRC, Marshall said a while or two ago that a quart of motor oil in  
with a fill up of diesel fuel was about the maximum...

Could be wrong tho..

Take care,

Chuck
Phoenix AZ

On Jan 3, 2007, at 10:06 AM, Hans Neureiter wrote:

> Long ago there was a discussion on how much drained engine oil  
> (Mobil 1) is
> OK to put in the fueltank.
> I am finding it more and more difficult to drop off used oil at mac  
> parts
> places. They act annoyed and let you wait.
> At $ 2.50+ a gallon diesel it would also cut down the initial cost  
> of the
> oil.
> -- 
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> '82 300SD, '95 E300D
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Try taking your old oil to one of the quick oil change shops.  Most of
them have waste-oil-fired heaters and (in winter anyway) burn off at
least some of what they collect, and if not they probably sell the
rest to a recycler.  Their only concern would probably be that you
don't bring them a bucket of goo containing oil, antifreeze,
transmission fluid, brake fluid, and paint thinner.

Call first, I guess.  We're lucky in that our local waste management
district has hazmat collection sites where residents can drop off
their old oil, antifreeze, and other household chemicals.

Allan

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1966 230

Re: [MBZ] Spotless?

[Kevin]

On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 04:16:35PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Poor cosmetic care and poor maintenance go hand in hand.

Try living on a dirt road sometime.

K

Re: [MBZ] Spotless?

[RELNGSON]

> < my
> real feelings about your comment.  Even Tommy commented on how clean even my
> ENGINE was.>>
> 
Admittedly the quality of the car pictures was poor, but the cleanest car was 
Rusty's SL followed by the other SL. Most of the others were filthy. Black 
wheels and the like.

Poor cosmetic care and poor maintenance go hand in hand.

RLE

Re: [MBZ] Washington State (was: rear exhaust hanger question)

[Zeitgeist]

Oi vey...

On 1/3/07, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Dude, I'm just not used to people saying things they do not mean.

Kindly reserve your name-calling for whatever other lists you belong to.
If
I'm paranoid, it's not your place to say it.

All I did was ask you to explain your bizarre, threatening posts to me,
and
clearly you take such a request as a challenge to do more of what you do.
Can't seem to break character.



Casey
Olympia, WA
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'84 300D (218k)
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Re: [MBZ] Engine Number for G.P. Ordering

[Zoltan Finks]

Great! Thank you.

Brian
83 240D


On 1/3/07, Rusty Cullens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


you take 000 159 83 01


- Original Message -
From: "Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 5:08 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Engine Number for G.P. Ordering


> Looks like it's closing time in Georgia (they're Eastern time over at
> Rusty's operation I guess). Was trying to call them and ask which glow
plug
> to order. My engine number does not match any of the provided numbers on
> their glow plug page.
>
> I guess my engine came out of an '82 240D. Maybe I'll type in '82 for
the
> year and see what comes up.
>
> Didn't think the engine number would be any different.
>
> The number on my engine is: 616 912 10 268124
>
> Brian
> 83 240D
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Re: [MBZ] Washington State (was: rear exhaust hanger question)

[Zoltan Finks]

Dude, I'm just not used to people saying things they do not mean.

Kindly reserve your name-calling for whatever other lists you belong to. If
I'm paranoid, it's not your place to say it.

All I did was ask you to explain your bizarre, threatening posts to me, and
clearly you take such a request as a challenge to do more of what you do.
Can't seem to break character.

Brian

Zeitgiest, you wrote:

we'll find uniquely devious
and covert ways in which to undermine your health and well-being


On 1/3/07, Zeitgeist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Dude, you're paranoid.  My job is done.

On 1/3/07, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> That's what people do in Yuma: gas up and pass through.
>
> And, again with the threats against my person. I suppose this nebuous
"we"
> plans to attack my wife and family too.
>
> We'll have to steer clear of any restaurants with an older, bumper
> sticker-bearing Mercedes parked around back.
>
>
Casey
Olympia, WA
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Re: [MBZ] Wash Your cars! was Re: RustyQ 2006 Pictures are up

[Rusty Cullens]

My cars were both just washed


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From: "Donald Snook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 11:28 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Wash Your cars! was Re: RustyQ 2006 Pictures are up


> Kaleb wrote: 
> 
>  
> 
> "I finally got the RustyQ 2006 pictures up at okiebenz.com that Regina 
> 
> took at the RustyQ.  You can access them from the main page by 
> 
> clicking on the rustyQ button, or click here" 
> 
>  
> 
> You know what I noticed about the cars?  They were all dirty.  A bunch
> of Mercedes people bring their cars to RustyQ to meet each other and
> show off their cars and they are all dirty.   Ok that green 200D looked
> pretty clean.  Have you folks heard of car washes or a bucket and
> sponge.   I know, I am the most anal person around about keeping my car
> clean, so I should based this on my experience. But, gosh those are some
> dirty cars.  Hursty's car looked pretty clean, I guess. 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Donald H. Snook
> 
> 1990 300SEL 133K 
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Re: [MBZ] Over-rated

[Rich Thomas]

I saw a 928 dead on the side of the road in Kansas the other evening, 
with a busted lower control arm, or balljoint or something that made the 
front wheel break off at the bottom.  Had not seen a 928 in a long time, 
dead or living.  Got me thinking what that would cost to fix.


--R

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

<>


I did wonder about that. The 924 is a possibility but since it's never had a 
good review


RLE



  

Re: [MBZ] Engine Number for G.P. Ordering

[Rusty Cullens]

you take 000 159 83 01


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From: "Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 5:08 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Engine Number for G.P. Ordering


> Looks like it's closing time in Georgia (they're Eastern time over at
> Rusty's operation I guess). Was trying to call them and ask which glow
plug
> to order. My engine number does not match any of the provided numbers on
> their glow plug page.
>
> I guess my engine came out of an '82 240D. Maybe I'll type in '82 for the
> year and see what comes up.
>
> Didn't think the engine number would be any different.
>
> The number on my engine is: 616 912 10 268124
>
> Brian
> 83 240D
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Re: [MBZ] Over-rated

[RELNGSON]

> <>
> 
I did wonder about that. The 924 is a possibility but since it's never had a 
good review

RLE

Re: [MBZ] burning used oil

[Levi Smith]

Depends on what you mean by "maximum".  I'm not positive how well synthetic
burns, but I can tell you that regular old oil can be added up to 50% (it's
probably gonna be a little bit smokier and more sluggish at that ratio
though).  You could go higher than that...
Personally, if it's nice and warm out and I only had 2 gallons of oil, I'd
dump it in with a full tank of diesel.  I doubt you'd even notice it...

But of course your mileage may vary... (:
Levi

On 1/3/07, Hans Neureiter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Long ago there was a discussion on how much drained engine oil (Mobil 1)
is
OK to put in the fueltank.
I am finding it more and more difficult to drop off used oil at mac parts
places. They act annoyed and let you wait.
At $ 2.50+ a gallon diesel it would also cut down the initial cost of the
oil.
--
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Re: [MBZ] burning used oil

[Chuck Landenberger]

Hans,

IIRC, Marshall said a while or two ago that a quart of motor oil in  
with a fill up of diesel fuel was about the maximum...


Could be wrong tho..

Take care,

Chuck
Phoenix AZ

On Jan 3, 2007, at 10:06 AM, Hans Neureiter wrote:

Long ago there was a discussion on how much drained engine oil  
(Mobil 1) is

OK to put in the fueltank.
I am finding it more and more difficult to drop off used oil at mac  
parts

places. They act annoyed and let you wait.
At $ 2.50+ a gallon diesel it would also cut down the initial cost  
of the

oil.
--
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'82 300SD, '95 E300D
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Re: [MBZ] CA Trip Questions

[Marshall Booth]

Bob Rentfro wrote:
The cool running still baffels me. I need to verify the gauge/sensor I 
suppose (like Mr. Jim said).
After it should be at NOP/NOT, everything FEELS correctly and equally hot 
(both hoses, top of rad, t-stat housing).


Which is more likely to fail or give false readings...temp sensor or temp 
gauge?


Just a little added resistance in the circuit (could be an aged fuse or 
a corroded connection) will result in the temp reading low!


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] burning used oil

[andrew strasfogel]

Anybody remember SC-based Green Oasis Environmental?  They had a contraption
that purportedly turned crankcase oil into diesel fuel.

On 1/3/07, Hans Neureiter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Long ago there was a discussion on how much drained engine oil (Mobil 1)
is
OK to put in the fueltank.
I am finding it more and more difficult to drop off used oil at mac parts
places. They act annoyed and let you wait.
At $ 2.50+ a gallon diesel it would also cut down the initial cost of the
oil.
--
Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX
'82 300SD, '95 E300D
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[MBZ] burning used oil

[Hans Neureiter]

Long ago there was a discussion on how much drained engine oil (Mobil 1) is
OK to put in the fueltank.
I am finding it more and more difficult to drop off used oil at mac parts
places. They act annoyed and let you wait.
At $ 2.50+ a gallon diesel it would also cut down the initial cost of the
oil.
--
Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX
'82 300SD, '95 E300D

Re: [MBZ] Washington State (was: rear exhaust hanger question)

[Zeitgeist]

Dude, you're paranoid.  My job is done.

On 1/3/07, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


That's what people do in Yuma: gas up and pass through.

And, again with the threats against my person. I suppose this nebuous "we"
plans to attack my wife and family too.

We'll have to steer clear of any restaurants with an older, bumper
sticker-bearing Mercedes parked around back.



Casey
Olympia, WA
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'87 300TD intercooler/propane #22 0-60mph 7.3sec (220k)
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Re: [MBZ] list name

[R A Bennell]

No it was Ritter et al - They are moving to a new setup and using something 
temporary until they ensure everything
is working fine. They used MBZ instead of MB for a few posts until Dr Booth 
suggested it was confusing and then
they switched to M-B. This was a couple of days ago.

Randy

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 8:53 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] list name


If you are talking about another list using the mbz in the header for
filtering and archiving purposes, surely they didnt realize that a long
established list is already using it.  No problem if they discover that
and change it.  Big problem if they keep using it.  Is this some new list?

R A Bennell wrote:

> I am amazed that there have been no comments in regard to the use of the MBZ 
> name by the another list - until
> Marshall asked them not to and they switched to M-B.
>
> Randy
>
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  87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2,
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[MBZ] OT - lost baggage fiasco

[andrew strasfogel]

I need some collective wisdom to help us deal with a major loss of checked
airline luggage.

On our trip back to Washington, D.C. from Canada on New Year's day, three
pieces of luggage didn't make it.  We agreed to have the airline's courier
service leave the bags on the side porch if we weren't home.  The airline
claims that the bags were dropped off on our side porch between 1 AM and 3
AM the next day (1/2), but they still aren't here!  The airline tells us
that we agreed to this, and someone must have stolen them between 3 and 7
AM so they are not at fault.  Our neighbor was sleeping in her living room
and heard nothing - and the local police department says there was no
activity that night and they haven't heard of a scam regarding crooks who
follow lost baggage couriers.  You would think they would have telephoned
us, rung the doorbell, or left a sticker to let us know they were here.

Has anyone ever experienced this before?  I am convinced the courier service
is lying or left the luggage at the wrong house because we live on a quiet
street with low crime (yes, this is possible in D.C.).  The description of
the drop off provided by the courier was so general that we cannot be
certain they actually came to the correct address, or that if they did, they
didn't steal the bags anyway.  There are five (5) complaints of non-delivery
against this courier for the same day from others who have not received
their bags.  Any ideas on how I should proceed would be appreciated.

Re: [MBZ] Variegated Glow Plugs

[andrew strasfogel]

Now THERE'S a real plug if I ever saw one!

On 1/3/07, Frederick W Moir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Greetings and Salutations.
Glow plugz? I know nothing about the merits of various glow plugs,
though my 81 VW ate Champions like popcorn. All I know is that the
most useful piece of information about diesels that I was given was
1-800-741-5252 and ask the guys who really know and whom you can trust!
Rant Off!
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
3 of um, one with a sneaky AF leak.



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Re: [MBZ] Variegated Glow Plugs

[Allan Streib]

Frederick W Moir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Glow plugz? I know nothing about the merits of various glow plugs,
> though my 81 VW ate Champions like popcorn.

I did find a mention on a VW forum that VW advises against mixing
Bosch and Beru in the TDI engines.  One or the other is fine, as long
as they are all the same.  Something to do with the current draw
being different as they heat up.

Doubt that applies to older MBs, but who knows?  I ended up ordering
Bosch again b/c that's what I already have installed.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D
1966 230

Re: [MBZ] Wash Your cars! was Re: RustyQ 2006 Pictures

[Donald Snook]

Chris K. wrote:  

 

"My car was spotless.  You should make that comment on the Banned list
for my 

real feelings about your comment.  Even Tommy commented on how clean
even my 

ENGINE was." 

 

Evidently there were some exceptions to my blanket statement. Don't get
so fired up that you want to cuss me out on banned.  I thought I was
being funny - I guess it was not received that way.  There were some
pretty dirty cars there - apparently your was in tip top condition.  

 

Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 133K 

Re: [MBZ] Washington State (was: rear exhaust hanger question)

[Werner Fehlauer]

The folks in the Pacific Northwest are like any others - treat them like you 
want to be treated, and you'll get along just fine.  Living in NE Tacoma for 
3 years, we found the "locals" all to be as nice or better than we've seen 
anywhere in the USA - and we all laughed at the tongue-in-cheek comments 
about immigrants from other states.
There was always the unwritten law though that insisted that "it rains all 
the time" in Seattle, to discourage too much of an inclination to attract 
newcomers.  In actuality, New York City gets more rainfall every year, 
although over less days (average).  What people don't realize is that 
Washington has not only high desert that requires irrigation to produce 
crops, but also has desert and rain forest conditions on the Olympic 
peninsula.  The neat part is that most years, there are flowers and green 
grass, and little snow to bother with for any long periods.
Now if you want a bit of snobbery (flame suit on), take a good look at the 
old New England states, where if you didn't get your feet wet while climbing 
off the Mayflower, you are just a "newbie".


Werner

- Original Message - 
From: "Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Washington State (was: rear exhaust hanger question)



Man, the general concensus seems to be that the Pac. NW consists of a
majority of wierdos. Growing up in AZ, there was a joke that California 
was

"the land of the fruits and nuts." Maybe all the Californians moved north
and all the Mexicans have moved to their north as well.

And this notion of organized resistance and protests, etc. to people 
moving

in and "californicating" Washinton - wow. I bet the majority of these
protesters would consider the same type of protesting against foreign
immigration to be one of the cardinal sins.

Whatever, it won't be the first time I've felt the "you ain't from around
here" syndrome (having moved from Tucson to a relatively small town in
Minnesota - with a bald head at the time).

Actually, when we were checking out our probable new town Bainbridge 
Island,
we were very surprised that we didn't run into any of the sort of 
resistance

I'm hearing of. People seemed pretty genuine and welcoming even when they
heard we're moving there. Maybe they've got their own version of 
"Minnesota

Nice" (which, we've found, is skin-deep - be nice face to face, and thus
gather a bunch of information to be used in gossip sessons later).

Brian

[MBZ] Variegated Glow Plugs

[Frederick W Moir]

Greetings and Salutations.
Glow plugz? I know nothing about the merits of various glow plugs, 
though my 81 VW ate Champions like popcorn. All I know is that the 
most useful piece of information about diesels that I was given was 
1-800-741-5252 and ask the guys who really know and whom you can trust!

Rant Off!
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
3 of um, one with a sneaky AF leak.

Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel coops in Sacramento area

[ernest breakfield]

   that would be nice, but (IIRC) the reason we're still paying taxes 
anyway is because there still isn't a recognized standard for BioDiesel 
and it's still categorized as a "Fuel Additive", not an actual fuel in 
its own right.
   (the frequently referenced ASTM standard is only for BioDiesel as an 
additive up to a certain percentage in Petrodiesel. there's lots of 
other problems with it as well that we can thank the National Biodiesel 
Board for, but that's a topic for another discussion.)


   in the meantime you'll still see statements like this one from our 
local BioD vendor:

"The price includes sales tax, state excise tax, and federal excise tax."


cheers!
e


andrew strasfogel wrote:

I think the Energy Act exempts biofuels from taxes.

On 1/3/07, *ernest breakfield* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:



Allan Streib wrote:
> There's no mention of any road/fuel tax being collected on this
> "co-op" fuel -- while I don't like paying taxes any more than
the next
> guy, fuel taxes are one of the few where the amount you pay bears a
> relationship to the benefit you derive (i.e. your use of the roads).
>

   it stated their pricing and that they're they're buying it
commercially; taxes are paid.


> Is bio-diesel exempt from tax?

   no.


>   Or are the co-ops dodging it?

   not this one, since they're just buying it commercially; maybe
others are if they're making it (though they are invited to declare it
on their annual taxes).


> Or was
> the topic simply omitted from the article?
>

   as you noted at the start, there's no mention of it, so
apparently, yes.


cheers!
e

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Re: [MBZ] Washington State (was: rear exhaust hanger question)

[Zoltan Finks]

That's what people do in Yuma: gas up and pass through.

And, again with the threats against my person. I suppose this nebuous "we"
plans to attack my wife and family too.

We'll have to steer clear of any restaurants with an older, bumper
sticker-bearing Mercedes parked around back.

Brian


On 1/3/07, Zeitgeist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I had a friendly gent down in Yuma AZ gently suggest that my friend and I
keep on-a-movin, when we were passing through town.  Apparently a couple
of
WA longhairs in a VW bus ain't too welcome down in those parts.

Trust me, until you learn the secret handshake, we'll find uniquely
devious
and covert ways in which to undermine your health and
well-being.  Remember
to slap the "I <3 Bill" bumper sticker on, just for Clay.

Re: [MBZ] Wash Your cars! was Re: RustyQ 2006 Pictures are up

[Chris Kueny]

My car was spotless.  You should make that comment on the Banned list for my 
real feelings about your comment.  Even Tommy commented on how clean even my 
ENGINE was.



Chris K
Cayce, SC



- Original Message - 
From: "Donald Snook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 11:28 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Wash Your cars! was Re: RustyQ 2006 Pictures are up



Kaleb wrote:



"I finally got the RustyQ 2006 pictures up at okiebenz.com that Regina

took at the RustyQ.  You can access them from the main page by

clicking on the rustyQ button, or click here"



You know what I noticed about the cars?  They were all dirty.  A bunch
of Mercedes people bring their cars to RustyQ to meet each other and
show off their cars and they are all dirty.   Ok that green 200D looked
pretty clean.  Have you folks heard of car washes or a bucket and
sponge.   I know, I am the most anal person around about keeping my car
clean, so I should based this on my experience. But, gosh those are some
dirty cars.  Hursty's car looked pretty clean, I guess.





Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 133K

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Re: [MBZ] Washington State (was: rear exhaust hanger question)

[Zeitgeist]

I had a friendly gent down in Yuma AZ gently suggest that my friend and I
keep on-a-movin, when we were passing through town.  Apparently a couple of
WA longhairs in a VW bus ain't too welcome down in those parts.

Trust me, until you learn the secret handshake, we'll find uniquely devious
and covert ways in which to undermine your health and well-being.  Remember
to slap the "I <3 Bill" bumper sticker on, just for Clay.

On 1/3/07, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Man, the general concensus seems to be that the Pac. NW consists of a
majority of wierdos. Growing up in AZ, there was a joke that California
was
"the land of the fruits and nuts." Maybe all the Californians moved north
and all the Mexicans have moved to their north as well.

And this notion of organized resistance and protests, etc. to people
moving
in and "californicating" Washinton - wow. I bet the majority of these
protesters would consider the same type of protesting against foreign
immigration to be one of the cardinal sins.

Whatever, it won't be the first time I've felt the "you ain't from around
here" syndrome (having moved from Tucson to a relatively small town in
Minnesota - with a bald head at the time).

Actually, when we were checking out our probable new town Bainbridge
Island,
we were very surprised that we didn't run into any of the sort of
resistance
I'm hearing of. People seemed pretty genuine and welcoming even when they
heard we're moving there. Maybe they've got their own version of
"Minnesota
Nice" (which, we've found, is skin-deep - be nice face to face, and thus
gather a bunch of information to be used in gossip sessons later).



Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state"
'87 300TD intercooler/propane #22 0-60mph 7.3sec (220k)
'84 300D (218k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)
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Re: [MBZ] CA Trip Questions

[Bob Rentfro]

The cool running still baffels me. I need to verify the gauge/sensor I 
suppose (like Mr. Jim said).
After it should be at NOP/NOT, everything FEELS correctly and equally hot 
(both hoses, top of rad, t-stat housing).


Which is more likely to fail or give false readings...temp sensor or temp 
gauge?


Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 165K
'87 Acura Legend  180K
Litchfield Park, AZ


- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] CA Trip Questions


Bob my 1977 300 D in the mountains of Pa typically maintained around 183 
to
195 degrees F through most events.  Sometimes on a steep climb on a hot 
day
would approach 212 degrees F. but quckly cool down to specs.  Wind blows 
out
of the west here often and on interstate could always feel the reduced 
speed
of car in a stong head wind.  My 1977 ended up losing the #5 cylinder 
during
a long highway trip, she got me home but smoked like the dickens 
especially
at idle.  New I lost the cylinder due to major power drop off and could 
only

reach a top speed of 55 mph on slight hills.


Regards Tom Scordato
- Original Message - 
From: "Bob Rentfro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:19 AM
Subject: [MBZ] CA Trip Questions



Yesterday I took oldest girl child back to CA. Usually a couple of good
places for Eye-talian tune ups along the route. Had two big suitcases in
trunk, and a 32" tube TV (remember those?), two other bags and a gee-tar
in the back seat. Figured this would be a good jaunt to see how the
coolant system acted with new parts and a good chance to attack some 
hills

while loaded.
On the way I drove into a stiff wind from the west and there were several
places where I had it floored on relativly even terrain and could only 
get

70mph out of her. Temperature never got above 135-150 degrees. (Come to
think of it temp never gets above 150...pre or post rad changeout and 
with

three different
t-statshummm)
On the way home, empty, the long hill out of Indio going east (about 12
miles I think) I normall can keep it at 65 but could only manage 55 or 
so.

And, at one point going up this long hill, an '87 300D turbo, which was
Beverly Hillbillies loaded, passed me like I was nailed to the pavement.
Temp again was 150 tops.
The other odd thing is that it seems to be smoking at idle a bit more
since the valve adjustment. Will running at 150 couse it to smoke than it
would otherwise?
Was that post confusing enough?

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 165K
'87 Acura Legend  180K
Litchfield Park, AZ
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Re: [MBZ] Beru or Bosch glow plugs? (was: No glow.)

[andrew strasfogel]

On 1/3/07, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


how do they glow plugs work though in your 111?

On 1/3/07, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Beru spark plugs really rock in my 111 280SE 3.5.  They look cool and
the
> engine runs like buttah.
>
>
>
> On 1/3/07, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > general preference is for bosch.  everyone hates monark, except for
me,
> as
> > i
> > prefer monark.  no one ever buys berus, which leads me think they are
> the
> > brand to go with.
> >
> > confused?  me too!
> >
> >
> > On 1/2/07, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Do folks like Beru or Bosch glow plugs?  My spares were Bosch; the
> > > Beru are slightly cheaper but not enough to sway me one way or the
> > > other.
> > >
> > > Allan
> > > --
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> > > 1966 230
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Re: [MBZ] 79 240D 'knocking / pinging'

[ts]

Kevin

Highway, highway, highway.  These cars need to be put on the highway.  They 
are not the best "taxiing cars"

Does the knocking stop once car is warmed up?

Try a few cans of Lubro Molly and then change fuel filters right after.

Regards Tom Scordato

- Original Message - 
From: "Kevin J. Slater" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 9:52 AM
Subject: [MBZ] 79 240D 'knocking / pinging'



Noticed when I drove the 240D the other day a distinct pinging / knocking
sound. (That's what it would be if this were a gasser, which it isn't.)
Not sure what it might be. I noticed some odd fluctuations in the oil
pressure (floating up and down at idle) and so I took out the 15w-50 dino
and put in 15w-50 Mobil 1 - that cured the oil pressure issue.

The car is mostly used by my son to go back and forth the school on a 2
lane road about 7 miles each way (max speed 55 mph, average probably 35
mph). Car has about 162k miles on the clock, but I wouldn't swear by that
number since the PO wasn't the most diligent with maintenance.

Any opinions on the noise? It's not there at idle or under very light
acceleration. If you put your foot in it it's there until the engine revs
go up near the top of the range. (Maybe still there and masked by other
engine noise?)

...Kevin

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Re: [MBZ] Beru or Bosch glow plugs? (was: No glow.)

[Gary Hurst]

how do they glow plugs work though in your 111?

On 1/3/07, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Beru spark plugs really rock in my 111 280SE 3.5.  They look cool and the
engine runs like buttah.



On 1/3/07, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> general preference is for bosch.  everyone hates monark, except for me,
as
> i
> prefer monark.  no one ever buys berus, which leads me think they are
the
> brand to go with.
>
> confused?  me too!
>
>
> On 1/2/07, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Do folks like Beru or Bosch glow plugs?  My spares were Bosch; the
> > Beru are slightly cheaper but not enough to sway me one way or the
> > other.
> >
> > Allan
> > --
> > 1983 300D
> > 1966 230
> >
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Re: [MBZ] CA Trip Questions

[ts]

Bob my 1977 300 D in the mountains of Pa typically maintained around 183 to 
195 degrees F through most events.  Sometimes on a steep climb on a hot day 
would approach 212 degrees F. but quckly cool down to specs.  Wind blows out 
of the west here often and on interstate could always feel the reduced speed 
of car in a stong head wind.  My 1977 ended up losing the #5 cylinder during 
a long highway trip, she got me home but smoked like the dickens especially 
at idle.  New I lost the cylinder due to major power drop off and could only 
reach a top speed of 55 mph on slight hills.



Regards Tom Scordato
- Original Message - 
From: "Bob Rentfro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:19 AM
Subject: [MBZ] CA Trip Questions


Yesterday I took oldest girl child back to CA. Usually a couple of good 
places for Eye-talian tune ups along the route. Had two big suitcases in 
trunk, and a 32" tube TV (remember those?), two other bags and a gee-tar 
in the back seat. Figured this would be a good jaunt to see how the 
coolant system acted with new parts and a good chance to attack some hills 
while loaded.
On the way I drove into a stiff wind from the west and there were several 
places where I had it floored on relativly even terrain and could only get 
70mph out of her. Temperature never got above 135-150 degrees. (Come to 
think of it temp never gets above 150...pre or post rad changeout and with 
three different

t-statshummm)
On the way home, empty, the long hill out of Indio going east (about 12 
miles I think) I normall can keep it at 65 but could only manage 55 or so. 
And, at one point going up this long hill, an '87 300D turbo, which was 
Beverly Hillbillies loaded, passed me like I was nailed to the pavement. 
Temp again was 150 tops.
The other odd thing is that it seems to be smoking at idle a bit more 
since the valve adjustment. Will running at 150 couse it to smoke than it 
would otherwise?

Was that post confusing enough?

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 165K
'87 Acura Legend  180K
Litchfield Park, AZ
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Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel coops in Sacramento area

[andrew strasfogel]

I think the Energy Act exempts biofuels from taxes.

On 1/3/07, ernest breakfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Allan Streib wrote:
> There's no mention of any road/fuel tax being collected on this
> "co-op" fuel -- while I don't like paying taxes any more than the next
> guy, fuel taxes are one of the few where the amount you pay bears a
> relationship to the benefit you derive (i.e. your use of the roads).
>

   it stated their pricing and that they're they're buying it
commercially; taxes are paid.


> Is bio-diesel exempt from tax?

   no.


>   Or are the co-ops dodging it?

   not this one, since they're just buying it commercially; maybe
others are if they're making it (though they are invited to declare it
on their annual taxes).


> Or was
> the topic simply omitted from the article?
>

   as you noted at the start, there's no mention of it, so apparently,
yes.


cheers!
e

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Re: [MBZ] Washington State (was: rear exhaust hanger question)

[Zoltan Finks]

Man, the general concensus seems to be that the Pac. NW consists of a
majority of wierdos. Growing up in AZ, there was a joke that California was
"the land of the fruits and nuts." Maybe all the Californians moved north
and all the Mexicans have moved to their north as well.

And this notion of organized resistance and protests, etc. to people moving
in and "californicating" Washinton - wow. I bet the majority of these
protesters would consider the same type of protesting against foreign
immigration to be one of the cardinal sins.

Whatever, it won't be the first time I've felt the "you ain't from around
here" syndrome (having moved from Tucson to a relatively small town in
Minnesota - with a bald head at the time).

Actually, when we were checking out our probable new town Bainbridge Island,
we were very surprised that we didn't run into any of the sort of resistance
I'm hearing of. People seemed pretty genuine and welcoming even when they
heard we're moving there. Maybe they've got their own version of "Minnesota
Nice" (which, we've found, is skin-deep - be nice face to face, and thus
gather a bunch of information to be used in gossip sessons later).

Brian

Alex wrote:



And if Washington isn't weird enough for you, come on down to Oregon.  We
have a much worse economy, but we make up for it: marijuana and machine
guns
are both legal here.  ;)

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo
'92 Isuzu Trooper
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Re: [MBZ] Beru or Bosch glow plugs? (was: No glow.)

[andrew strasfogel]

Beru spark plugs really rock in my 111 280SE 3.5.  They look cool and the
engine runs like buttah.



On 1/3/07, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


general preference is for bosch.  everyone hates monark, except for me, as
i
prefer monark.  no one ever buys berus, which leads me think they are the
brand to go with.

confused?  me too!


On 1/2/07, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Do folks like Beru or Bosch glow plugs?  My spares were Bosch; the
> Beru are slightly cheaper but not enough to sway me one way or the
> other.
>
> Allan
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> 1966 230
>
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Re: [MBZ] Washington State (was: rear exhaust hanger question)

[Alex Chamberlain]

On 1/2/07, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



I am accustomed to being around folks with whom I vehmently disagree.
That's
the curse of being from my own mold (I probably agree with both you you
cats
on some issues). I'm a vegetarian environmentalist who is against gay
"marriage" and handouts for illegals (for example). I'm used to not
fitting
in.



Not just Washington but the whole of the Pacific Northwest is well known for
the high population of weirdos, individualists, and iconoclasts.  If you
don't fit in, you'll fit right in.  ;)

And if Washington isn't weird enough for you, come on down to Oregon.  We
have a much worse economy, but we make up for it: marijuana and machine guns
are both legal here.  ;)

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo
'92 Isuzu Trooper

Re: [MBZ] CA Trip Questions

[Bob Rentfro]

Thanks for reminding me Mr. Jim and Herr Doktor.
I have a fresh air filter in (changed after the valve adjustment) and now I 
will change fuel filters.



Bob R.


- Original Message - 
From: "Marshall Booth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] CA Trip Questions



Bob Rentfro wrote:
Yesterday I took oldest girl child back to CA. Usually a couple of good 
places for Eye-talian tune ups along the route. Had two big suitcases in 
trunk, and a 32" tube TV (remember those?), two other bags and a gee-tar 
in the back seat. Figured this would be a good jaunt to see how the 
coolant system acted with new parts and a good chance to attack some 
hills while loaded.
On the way I drove into a stiff wind from the west and there were several 
places where I had it floored on relativly even terrain and could only 
get 70mph out of her. Temperature never got above 135-150 degrees. (Come 
to think of it temp never gets above 150...pre or post rad changeout and 
with three different

t-statshummm)
On the way home, empty, the long hill out of Indio going east (about 12 
miles I think) I normall can keep it at 65 but could only manage 55 or 
so. And, at one point going up this long hill, an '87 300D turbo, which 
was Beverly Hillbillies loaded, passed me like I was nailed to the 
pavement. Temp again was 150 tops.
The other odd thing is that it seems to be smoking at idle a bit more 
since the valve adjustment. Will running at 150 couse it to smoke than it 
would otherwise?

Was that post confusing enough?


Partially occluded air or fuel filters will do what you describe!

Marshall

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Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel coops in Sacramento area

[ernest breakfield]

Allan Streib wrote:

There's no mention of any road/fuel tax being collected on this
"co-op" fuel -- while I don't like paying taxes any more than the next
guy, fuel taxes are one of the few where the amount you pay bears a
relationship to the benefit you derive (i.e. your use of the roads).
  


   it stated their pricing and that they're they're buying it 
commercially; taxes are paid.




Is bio-diesel exempt from tax?


   no.


  Or are the co-ops dodging it?  


   not this one, since they're just buying it commercially; maybe 
others are if they're making it (though they are invited to declare it 
on their annual taxes).




Or was
the topic simply omitted from the article?
  


   as you noted at the start, there's no mention of it, so apparently, yes.


cheers!
e

Re: [MBZ] 79 240D 'knocking / pinging'

[Marshall Booth]

Kevin J. Slater wrote:

Noticed when I drove the 240D the other day a distinct pinging / knocking
sound. (That's what it would be if this were a gasser, which it isn't.)
Not sure what it might be. I noticed some odd fluctuations in the oil
pressure (floating up and down at idle) and so I took out the 15w-50 dino
and put in 15w-50 Mobil 1 - that cured the oil pressure issue.

The car is mostly used by my son to go back and forth the school on a 2
lane road about 7 miles each way (max speed 55 mph, average probably 35
mph). Car has about 162k miles on the clock, but I wouldn't swear by that
number since the PO wasn't the most diligent with maintenance.

Any opinions on the noise? It's not there at idle or under very light
acceleration. If you put your foot in it it's there until the engine revs
go up near the top of the range. (Maybe still there and masked by other
engine noise?)


Water in the fuel will cause pinging (change filters AND run a dose of 
an anti-gel or other water sequestering agent thru the fuel system). Air 
entering the fuel system will do it too. Does the hand pump leak when 
you pump it or are the flexible fuel lines damp with fuel?


Marshall
--
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Ass't Prof. (ret.)
Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
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Re: [MBZ] Flashing 124 recirc switch light SOLVED!

[Alex Chamberlain]

On 1/3/07, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Good find!
It "flashes at one Hertz during impulse output." I wonder if the
output occurs during the fault condition, or only when using the
"impulse counter" to determine the code?



My interpretation is the former---the flash alerts you to go hook up the
impulse counter to the special terminal behind the battery (somewhere near
the Klima relay, I think) and pull the code

Where does one get an

"impulse counter" - and just what is it counting? Would an
oscilloscope do as well for manually counting pulses?



I have wondered this as well!  It would be nice to get around needing
another special M-B tool. I bet Jim C. knows.

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo
'92 Isuzu Trooper

Re: [MBZ] CA Trip Questions

[Marshall Booth]

Bob Rentfro wrote:

Yesterday I took oldest girl child back to CA. Usually a couple of good places for 
Eye-talian tune ups along the route. Had two big suitcases in trunk, and a 32" 
tube TV (remember those?), two other bags and a gee-tar in the back seat. Figured 
this would be a good jaunt to see how the coolant system acted with new parts and a 
good chance to attack some hills while loaded.
On the way I drove into a stiff wind from the west and there were several places where I had it floored on relativly even terrain and could only get 70mph out of her. Temperature never got above 135-150 degrees. (Come to think of it temp never gets above 150...pre or post rad changeout and with three different 
t-statshummm)

On the way home, empty, the long hill out of Indio going east (about 12 miles I 
think) I normall can keep it at 65 but could only manage 55 or so. And, at one 
point going up this long hill, an '87 300D turbo, which was Beverly Hillbillies 
loaded, passed me like I was nailed to the pavement. Temp again was 150 tops.
The other odd thing is that it seems to be smoking at idle a bit more since the valve adjustment. Will running at 150 couse it to smoke than it would otherwise? 
Was that post confusing enough?


Partially occluded air or fuel filters will do what you describe!

Marshall

--
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Ass't Prof. (ret.)
Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [MBZ] Flashing 124 recirc switch light SOLVED!

[OK Don]

Good find!
It "flashes at one Hertz during impulse output." I wonder if the
output occurs during the fault condition, or only when using the
"impulse counter" to determine the code? Where does one get an
"impulse counter" - and just what is it counting? Would an
oscilloscope do as well for manually counting pulses?

On 1/2/07, Alex Chamberlain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Somebody (OK Don?) was asking a while back about what the flashing light in
the recirc switch on a 300D 2.5 means.  Turns out it's not a bug, it's a
feature---indicating a stored trouble code in the climate control computer.
Check out 83-603.pdf on the FSM CD.

Alex Chamberlain


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Norman, OK
"Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just
sit there."
Will Rogers
'90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager

Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel coops in Sacramento area

[Allan Streib]

There's no mention of any road/fuel tax being collected on this
"co-op" fuel -- while I don't like paying taxes any more than the next
guy, fuel taxes are one of the few where the amount you pay bears a
relationship to the benefit you derive (i.e. your use of the roads).

Is bio-diesel exempt from tax?  Or are the co-ops dodging it?  Or was
the topic simply omitted from the article?

Allan
-- 
1983 300D
1966 230

Re: [MBZ] intermittent heat

[andrew strasfogel]

That should have been BUY it fast...

On 1/3/07, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


But it fast as the price has inflated from $26 in the past 3 years.



On 1/2/07, John W. Reames III <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2 Jan 2007, Allan Streib wrote:
>
> > "Peter Frederick" writes:
> > "Easy fix" meaning replace the monovalve, or ... ?  It's not in
> > Rusty's online catalog, are they readily available?
>
> Repalce the insert. <$50 last I checked, do it with the car stone cold
> and
> the nose slightly downhill (driver side more so than passenger), and you
>
> wont lose a drop of coolant. Just remove the wiring harness and 4 small
> screws (DO NOT DROP THEM. You will probably have to order a new
> monovalve
> assembly to get them), then pull out the guts. Look at the new insert
> and
> you can figure out what you have to do... Oh yeah, carefully observe the
> orientation and location of all washers etc.
>
> ~10 min job on a cold car. ~10hr job on a hot car. (wait 9:50 for it to
> cool off, then proceed as a cold car)
>
> -j.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] CA Trip Questions

[JWREAMES]

Plugged prefilter will do the same thing. Almost got run over on I-70 because 
it wouldn't do more then 45 uphill. pulled over, reached in the ammo can for 
the spare and the 4-way, changed it out, and all was well. The old prefilter 
actually held vacuum (it would not drain!) due to algae deposits on it.

Prior to the change, the car actually ran pretty decently -- for the first 10 
miles after startup. Then it would lose power if you pushed it -- like you just 
took your foot off the pedal. At first I thought "ALDA tube" and then I 
realized that it was just not getting any fuel.

It is a pretty good idea to keep one of them in the car.
-- Original message -- 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sounds to me like your main cartridge fuel filter is clogging up, that would 
> kill top end power as you describe. Cool running, would definitely add 
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But it fast as the price has inflated from $26 in the past 3 years.



On 1/2/07, John W. Reames III <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2 Jan 2007, Allan Streib wrote:
>
> > "Peter Frederick" writes:
> > "Easy fix" meaning replace the monovalve, or ... ?  It's not in
> > Rusty's online catalog, are they readily available?
>
> Repalce the insert. <$50 last I checked, do it with the car stone cold and
> the nose slightly downhill (driver side more so than passenger), and you
> wont lose a drop of coolant. Just remove the wiring harness and 4 small
> screws (DO NOT DROP THEM. You will probably have to order a new monovalve
> assembly to get them), then pull out the guts. Look at the new insert and
> you can figure out what you have to do... Oh yeah, carefully observe the
> orientation and location of all washers etc.
>
> ~10 min job on a cold car. ~10hr job on a hot car. (wait 9:50 for it to
> cool off, then proceed as a cold car)
>
> -j.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel coops in Sacramento area

[ernest breakfield]

many people would say Sacramento *needs* a good reason for them to move 
to it!   ;-)


   but seriously; there are several commercial vendors of BioD in the 
Greater SF Bay Area, and several Co-Ops as well. from what i'm reading, 
they're springing up all over the place.



cheers!
e

(and i never get why people always seem to say BioD smells like French 
Fries; it always just reminds me of oil in a hot wok,...)



andrew strasfogel wrote:

This sounds like a very good reason to move to Sacramento
 Biodiesel co-ops fill demand for green fuel For exhaust that smells like
french fries, you need an appointment.
By Jim Downing - Bee Staff Writer

Published 12:00 am PST Tuesday, January 2, 2007
Story appeared in BUSINESS section, Page D2

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Will Semmes, left, fills the tank of his car with biodiesel fuel from a
home-based co-op run by Obadiah Batholomy, background. Sacramento Bee/Jay
Mather


Biodiesel: It's clean, green, made in America and makes your exhaust smell
like french fries.

Want to get some?

Get ready for a fuel-buying adventure. The nation's production of biodiesel
is booming -- it's set to triple this year.


But finding the fuel in Sacramento remains a challenge. And it's likely to
remain so, even as the fuel gains in popularity and becomes more plentiful.

A biodiesel fill-up -- assuming you have a vehicle that burns diesel fuel --
starts with an e-mail to Steve Bash, a longtime biodiesel guru in
Carmichael.

Bash provides a phone number for one of the region's half-dozen biodiesel
co-operatives, the chief way area consumers can now purchase the fuel. A
call is made, an appointment set.

The trail could lead to a narrow driveway in Land Park with a view of the
sun setting on the Tower Theatre.

Here, Obadiah Bartholomy, a 27-year-old SMUD engineer, keeps a 250-gallon
tank of biodiesel in his one-car garage. Still in his clothes from the
office, he trundles it down the driveway on a hydraulic jack. On top of the
tank, Bartholomy has rigged a pump and a meter. A fuel filter hangs from
baling wire and plumber's tape.

A 2002 Volkswagen Jetta backs into the driveway, and Will Semmes, in a
blue-checked shirt and red tie, climbs out. Using a white cloth, he takes
the greasy fuel hose. Bartholomy turns on the pump and keeps his hand on the
switch while Semmes listens for the sound of an impending overflow: There's
no auto-shutoff.

Afterward, Semmes settles up. The cost: $3.62 a gallon, compared with $2.99
diesel at the Chevron station around the corner.

Semmes paid $80 cash for his last two fill-ups. For that, he got fuel-buying
ecstasy.

"It's a totally different experience from buying petroleum diesel," he said.
"You actually feel good about buying gas. When's the last time that
happened?"

For Semmes and other local biodiesel fans, the charm of buying fuel through
a personal network outweighs the hassle and extra expense. They cite what
they say are biodiesel's virtues:

• Burning biodiesel cuts net carbon dioxide emissions by 70 percent or more,
compared with burning petroleum diesel.

• Biodiesel supports U.S. farmers and doesn't have to be imported.

• Biodiesel generally produces fewer pollutants than standard diesel, though
it does release slightly higher concentrations of some smog-forming gases.

• And, of course, biodiesel smells like comfort food.

A former platoon commander in the Marines and now the director of the
California Conservation Corps, Semmes said he started buying biodiesel not
long after the Sept. 11 terror attacks, when he began to see reducing the
nation's dependence on foreign oil as essential.

"I don't need to buy from the Saudis anymore," he said. "We've been treating
our oil suppliers like gas stations, and now we're paying the price in so
many ways."

Bartholomy got into biodiesel at California Polytechnic State University,
San Luis Obispo, and built a trailer-mounted biodiesel refinery for his
senior project. He volunteered his garage as a distribution node in 2004,
and now has about 15 regular customers.

Bartholomy isn't in the veggie-fuel business for the money. He sells the
fuel at cost, after collecting a $25 membership fee from his customers,
which partially covers his investment in the equipment -- the tank, jack,
pump and meter -- he keeps in his garage.

Running a filling station out of one's garage is a bit of a hassle,
Bartholomy said -- though at least he doesn't have to drive anywhere to fill
up his own vehicle, a 1981 Volkswagen pickup.

He generally meets customers in the evening. Most of his buyers tend not to
drive much, he said, so they fill up only once every few weeks.

Re: [MBZ] geoduck

[andrew strasfogel]

Razor clams on the east coast are considered trash eating.

When I first visited Portalnd OR I ordered razor clam at a fancy restaurant
and it appeared on a plate breaded like a veal cutlet and tasting like
chicken.  It was also very expensive.



On 1/2/07, David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Zeitgeist wrote:
> Geoducks are quite tasty (especially in chowdah), but other NW bivalves
are
> even better, such as the Razor Clam, Butter Clam and Olympia
Oyster...oh,
> and the Dungeness Crab kicks crustacean butt, too!
>

Mmm. I love razor clams.  I didn't think I liked seafood until I moved
out here.  Then I found out I'd just never had really fresh seafood.


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Re: [MBZ] NO GLOW & exhaust hangers

[Allan Streib]

Marshall Booth writes:

> A properly functioning glow plug should read about 0.6 ohms at
> ambient temperatures and maybe twice that at 1180 deg, C. One that
> reads outside that range is BAD! The wiring should not add any more
> than 10-20% to those readings or the wiring needs to be replaced!

My readings were taken directly off the glow plugs, with the connector
at the relay unplugged (my initial check I had neglected to do that
and I got 0.3 Ohms across the board).

I replaced the two that read 5K Ohms and "infinite" respectively,
since I only had two new plugs on hand.  I will replace the 470 ohm
one ASAP, and I guess the 0.9 Ohm one as well.  Although the latter
was replaced within the last 12 months, I can't argue with the meter!

Allan
-- 
1983 300D
1966 230

Re: [MBZ] CA Trip Questions

[JFreezn]

Bob,
 
Sounds to me like your main cartridge fuel filter is clogging up, that  would 
kill top end power as you describe.  Cool running, would definitely  add 
smoke to your exhaust and reduce fuel mileage.  You should verify the  accuracy 
of 
your gauge (borrow an infrared thermometer and point it at the  thermostat 
housing) as it seems like three thermostats should have done the  trick.  One 
possibility is massive corrosion inside the thermostat housing  is allowing 
some 
coolant to bypass the thermostat control.
 
regards,   

Jim  Friesen
Phoenix AZ
79 300SD, 264 K miles 
98 ML 320, 146 K  miles

Re: [MBZ] Beru or Bosch glow plugs?

[Gary Hurst]

yup, that's my story and i'm sticking to it.  monark plugs and iskra
starters for the old beater.  change both frequently.

On 1/3/07, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Rusty says those Monarchs dont last as long because they burn hotter.
Which is good for an old engine that might be a little worn out.

Gary Hurst wrote:

> general preference is for bosch.  everyone hates monark, except for me,
as i
> prefer monark.  no one ever buys berus, which leads me think they are
the
> brand to go with.
>
> confused?  me too!
>
>
>
--
Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
(2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL,
87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2,
81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

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[MBZ] 79 240D 'knocking / pinging'

[Kevin J. Slater]

Noticed when I drove the 240D the other day a distinct pinging / knocking
sound. (That's what it would be if this were a gasser, which it isn't.)
Not sure what it might be. I noticed some odd fluctuations in the oil
pressure (floating up and down at idle) and so I took out the 15w-50 dino
and put in 15w-50 Mobil 1 - that cured the oil pressure issue.

The car is mostly used by my son to go back and forth the school on a 2
lane road about 7 miles each way (max speed 55 mph, average probably 35
mph). Car has about 162k miles on the clock, but I wouldn't swear by that
number since the PO wasn't the most diligent with maintenance.

Any opinions on the noise? It's not there at idle or under very light
acceleration. If you put your foot in it it's there until the engine revs
go up near the top of the range. (Maybe still there and masked by other
engine noise?)

...Kevin

[MBZ] Wash Your cars! was Re: RustyQ 2006 Pictures are up

[Donald Snook]

Kaleb wrote: 

 

"I finally got the RustyQ 2006 pictures up at okiebenz.com that Regina 

took at the RustyQ.  You can access them from the main page by 

clicking on the rustyQ button, or click here" 

 

You know what I noticed about the cars?  They were all dirty.  A bunch
of Mercedes people bring their cars to RustyQ to meet each other and
show off their cars and they are all dirty.   Ok that green 200D looked
pretty clean.  Have you folks heard of car washes or a bucket and
sponge.   I know, I am the most anal person around about keeping my car
clean, so I should based this on my experience. But, gosh those are some
dirty cars.  Hursty's car looked pretty clean, I guess. 

 

 

Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 133K 

Re: [MBZ] MBZ history?

[andrew strasfogel]

Yeah, and the Vets list (www.mb-veterans.com) is moribund as well.

On 1/1/07, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Richard had all the seperate lists, I have basically combined all the
lists into one here with a few exceptions.  The only specialty lists are
the SL list and the vets list for older cars.  They are there but not
much goes on with them.  Most of the activity is here and just about any
question can probably be answered.

Werner Fehlauer wrote:
> Thanks, Kaleb - I wasn't aware of just what the timing (or the reason)
for
> the Ritter/Easley list origination, or just how Richard Sexton got
involved.
> I was fully involved with the old MBCA lists, and was ashamed of how a
few
> "empire builders" treated Kathy, who gave her all for the good of mthe
club
> and the lists she was "mother" to.  And when a few insiders (who didn't
take
> dissent well or at all) ran off Todd Knutson and Jay Obrien, plus
several
> other "good guys", I was happy that someone picked up the challenge to
keep
> a few nets going.
>
> But you are correct, when things crashed, it got kind of lonesome, and I
> really appreciate you taking the challenge.  What I didn't know was how
> things had transitioned from the days of Richard Sexton to now, mainly
> because I had to drop off for a couple of long periods due to medical
and
> other issues.
>
> I do have a concern though that with too many sub nets, that we may be
> losing out on the social and technical aspects of a larger group.  From
what
> I can see, there may be lots of lurkers, but there is no way to know
which
> net to send out a question for a particular interest.  That may just be
a
> lack of my own understanding, or perhaps a realization that there are
more
> nets that need to be monitored (and to be careful of using in
response?).
>
> Anyway, Happy New Year, and keep smiling.  Enjoy the winter weather,
which
> you folks in the plains have been nice enough to keep away from the East
> Coast!
>
> Werner

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87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2,
81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] RustyQ 2006 Pictures are up

[andrew strasfogel]

Thanks for posting - that is an awesome display.

One wonders 1) what is the name of the cute puppy, 2) how do some people
rate a caption that states "I have no idea who this dude is" while others
are just blank, and 3) was this such a dead crowd that the only "couple" who
could be persuaded to dance was half canine?


On 12/31/06, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Finally got the RustyQ 2006 pictures up at okiebenz.com that Regina took
at the RustyQ.  You can access them from the main page by clicking on
the rustyQ button, or click here

http://www.okiebenz.com/rustyq/rustyQ06/


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(2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL,
87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2,
81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] Beru or Bosch glow plugs?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Rusty says those Monarchs dont last as long because they burn hotter. 
Which is good for an old engine that might be a little worn out.


Gary Hurst wrote:


general preference is for bosch.  everyone hates monark, except for me, as i
prefer monark.  no one ever buys berus, which leads me think they are the
brand to go with.

confused?  me too!




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 (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL,
 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2,
 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] 300CD damage and value. AUTOTRADER.COM

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Somebody asked about autotrader.com on the banned list, here is my 
explaination of the big picture.  That should help you when searching 
for older cars:


OK, here we go.  Trader Publishing Company used to be one big company
that published Autotrader, truck trader, Bargain Post, Boat, Bike, and
RV, Big Truck, Heavy equiment, Harmon Homes, and many many other
magazines.  It was half owned by Cox Enterprises (cox cable,
communication, newspapers, radio etc).  Autotrader.com is/was a seperate
company.  We owned autoextra and automart. Auto extra is mainly a dealer
only deal.  Most of the dealers also cross over their ads into the auto
extra book, which in turn gets posted to the autoextra website.  There
are some cities that sell private party ads into that book but we dont.
  Its a free book that you can pickup just about anywhere.  All of our
autotrader magazine ads etc get posted for free to autotrader.com.  If
the vehicle is 20 years or older, or its something not an auto, it goes
to traderonline.com.  You would go there and click on collector car
trader to find the older vehicles.

Late last year, Cox was thinking about buying the whole thing. As it
turns out, our company split and basically formed 2 new companies. Cox
Auto Trader, which published the automotive titles.  While
autotrader.com is still a seperate company, we do own 89% of it.  We
also own autoextra.com, but as I said, its mainly for dealer listings.
The other new company is called Dominion Enterprises.  They basically
handle the non-automotive titles, and they have the automart site.  I
really do not know much about that one.

To make a long story short, go to autotrader.com to find cars and trucks
that are 20 years a newer, go to traderonline.com to find cars that are
older than 20 years and other non-automotive items.  You can look thru
autoextra.com, but most of the items there will be on autotrader.com or
traderonline.com anyway.

Make sense?

woodlandtaylors wrote:


It is actually one of my cars; she (daughter) transferred from Seattle to
Portland. She now lives at home again when she not off flyingshe has the
95 E300D but was using the 300CD while I was servicing her carhence the
damage. I did a search on autotrader and there are none for sale around here
to use as a comparison. EBay has some currently listed up there in value of
$4K + .I need to determine if I should get it fixed or not Did list
it on craigslist at $3000 a while back but had no offersIt has 310,000
on it but starts easy and dead reliable. She actually went to Seattle in it
the day after it got run into no issues at all.

Dennis T  


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300CD damage and value.

Fight it all the way!  A good example CD in WA is not cheap.  IIRC, 
the one for sale recently at SWMBA office went for over $7500.  Garage 
queen low miles, but still.


With CL prices around PDX, you will be able to get a really high value, 
as that is her market.  Or does she not live around that neck of the 
woods anymore?  Seattle is pretty steep for a nice example of a CD.







On Jan 2, 2007, at 6:57 PM, woodlandtaylors wrote:


My daughter parked the 1982 300Cd on the street while visiting some 
friends.
Her host backed out into the street and hit her car, immediately said 
no

problem here is the insurance company and body shop I use.

So the body shop has had it for two weeks and done a small amount of 
work on

it and the estimate is $2300 for repairs. Now the insurance company is
wanting to total vehicle and offer the $2300 as pay out. I say not 
enough...
they state value in Washington State is what similar vehicles are 
selling

for.

any thoughts...

Dennis T

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 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2,
 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] Flashing 124 recirc switch light SOLVED!

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I figured it was somthing like that, but I have never had to mess with it.

Alex Chamberlain wrote:


Somebody (OK Don?) was asking a while back about what the flashing light in
the recirc switch on a 300D 2.5 means.  Turns out it's not a bug, it's a
feature---indicating a stored trouble code in the climate control computer.
Check out 83-603.pdf on the FSM CD.

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo
'92 Isuzu Trooper
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 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2,
 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] Mono valve repair...

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

yep

Allan Streib wrote:


"Royce Engler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:



Rusty has the mono valve insert...I just did mine.



Is this "insert" also known as the "Mono Valve Repair Kit" ??

  http://img.eautopartscatalog.com/live/R302315174BOS.JPG

Allan


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 (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL,
 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2,
 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] Beru or Bosch glow plugs?

[Marshall Booth]

Allan Streib wrote:

Do folks like Beru or Bosch glow plugs?  My spares were Bosch; the
Beru are slightly cheaper but not enough to sway me one way or the
other.

Allan


There are a few cars that ONLY Beru make plugs for (my 1987 201.126 was 
one)! Both Bosch and Beru make quality plugs and Mercedes uses both. 
Both are fine as long as they are used in the proper car/engine.


Monark plugs have a history of premature (almost instant for the ones 
I've tried ;-) failures.


Marshall
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Ass't Prof. (ret.)
Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
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[MBZ] OT--Navigator wings and ribbons on the priest

[wilton strickland]

Bob Certain, President Ford's pastor, has been seen during the recent
funeral ceremonies wearing navigator wings and military ribbons and
occasionally saluting with the military members.  He may wear them, and he
may salute as he sees fit.  I knew him briefly when he was a young B-52
crewmember flying missions from Guam to Vietnam.  He is a former B-52
navigator who was aboard the first B-52 shotdown over Hanoi on December 18,
1972, during the Linebacker II campaign that led to a settlement ending US
involvement in the war.  Three members of his crew were killed.  He was
captured and held as a POW  until released in March, 1973.  He then attended
devinity school and served for many years as an Air Force chaplain before
retiring as a colonel.

Wilton

Re: [MBZ] NO GLOW & exhaust hangers

[Marshall Booth]

Stephen D Murrell wrote:

Jim!; maybe you can answer this about the diff. readings on the glow
plugs; a 5.75 reading? ok? does this one have the shortest wire from gp
relay?  to it causing less resistance; maybe this one still ok?; and the
.9 resistance one, ok?; the open one is not ok; the 470 ohms one; i ran
into about this same reading & changed it, don't know if bad or not; i
don't change any glow plug unless it reads out of limits; i have extras,
but will not change unless; shows way out of limits



A properly functioning glow plug should read about 0.6 ohms at ambient 
temperatures and maybe twice that at 1180 deg, C. One that reads outside 
that range is BAD! The wiring should not add any more than 10-20% to 
those readings or the wiring needs to be replaced!


Marshall
--
Marshall Booth Ph.D.
Ass't Prof. (ret.)
Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

[MBZ] Biodiesel coops in Sacramento area

[andrew strasfogel]

This sounds like a very good reason to move to Sacramento
Biodiesel co-ops fill demand for green fuel For exhaust that smells like
french fries, you need an appointment.
By Jim Downing - Bee Staff Writer

Published 12:00 am PST Tuesday, January 2, 2007
Story appeared in BUSINESS section, Page D2

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(4) 

Will Semmes, left, fills the tank of his car with biodiesel fuel from a
home-based co-op run by Obadiah Batholomy, background. Sacramento Bee/Jay
Mather


Biodiesel: It's clean, green, made in America and makes your exhaust smell
like french fries.

Want to get some?

Get ready for a fuel-buying adventure. The nation's production of biodiesel
is booming -- it's set to triple this year.


But finding the fuel in Sacramento remains a challenge. And it's likely to
remain so, even as the fuel gains in popularity and becomes more plentiful.

A biodiesel fill-up -- assuming you have a vehicle that burns diesel fuel --
starts with an e-mail to Steve Bash, a longtime biodiesel guru in
Carmichael.

Bash provides a phone number for one of the region's half-dozen biodiesel
co-operatives, the chief way area consumers can now purchase the fuel. A
call is made, an appointment set.

The trail could lead to a narrow driveway in Land Park with a view of the
sun setting on the Tower Theatre.

Here, Obadiah Bartholomy, a 27-year-old SMUD engineer, keeps a 250-gallon
tank of biodiesel in his one-car garage. Still in his clothes from the
office, he trundles it down the driveway on a hydraulic jack. On top of the
tank, Bartholomy has rigged a pump and a meter. A fuel filter hangs from
baling wire and plumber's tape.

A 2002 Volkswagen Jetta backs into the driveway, and Will Semmes, in a
blue-checked shirt and red tie, climbs out. Using a white cloth, he takes
the greasy fuel hose. Bartholomy turns on the pump and keeps his hand on the
switch while Semmes listens for the sound of an impending overflow: There's
no auto-shutoff.

Afterward, Semmes settles up. The cost: $3.62 a gallon, compared with $2.99
diesel at the Chevron station around the corner.

Semmes paid $80 cash for his last two fill-ups. For that, he got fuel-buying
ecstasy.

"It's a totally different experience from buying petroleum diesel," he said.
"You actually feel good about buying gas. When's the last time that
happened?"

For Semmes and other local biodiesel fans, the charm of buying fuel through
a personal network outweighs the hassle and extra expense. They cite what
they say are biodiesel's virtues:

• Burning biodiesel cuts net carbon dioxide emissions by 70 percent or more,
compared with burning petroleum diesel.

• Biodiesel supports U.S. farmers and doesn't have to be imported.

• Biodiesel generally produces fewer pollutants than standard diesel, though
it does release slightly higher concentrations of some smog-forming gases.

• And, of course, biodiesel smells like comfort food.

A former platoon commander in the Marines and now the director of the
California Conservation Corps, Semmes said he started buying biodiesel not
long after the Sept. 11 terror attacks, when he began to see reducing the
nation's dependence on foreign oil as essential.

"I don't need to buy from the Saudis anymore," he said. "We've been treating
our oil suppliers like gas stations, and now we're paying the price in so
many ways."

Bartholomy got into biodiesel at California Polytechnic State University,
San Luis Obispo, and built a trailer-mounted biodiesel refinery for his
senior project. He volunteered his garage as a distribution node in 2004,
and now has about 15 regular customers.

Bartholomy isn't in the veggie-fuel business for the money. He sells the
fuel at cost, after collecting a $25 membership fee from his customers,
which partially covers his investment in the equipment -- the tank, jack,
pump and meter -- he keeps in his garage.

Running a filling station out of one's garage is a bit of a hassle,
Bartholomy said -- though at least he doesn't have to drive anywhere to fill
up his own vehicle, a 1981 Volkswagen pickup.

He generally meets customers in the evening. Most of his buyers tend not to
drive much, he said, so they fill up only once every few weeks.

And if the scheduling doesn't work out, customers can always just buy
petroleum diesel -- switching back and forth between the fuels doesn't cause
problems.

Sacramento's biodiesel co-ops were organized beginning in 2004 by Bash, and
now have a few hundred members, he said. He arranges 1,000-gallon-plus
orders from a biodiesel distributor in the Bay Area, which fill garage tanks
like Bartholomy's.

Bash, who produces educational videos for a

[MBZ] CA Trip Questions

[Bob Rentfro]

Yesterday I took oldest girl child back to CA. Usually a couple of good places 
for Eye-talian tune ups along the route. Had two big suitcases in trunk, and a 
32" tube TV (remember those?), two other bags and a gee-tar in the back seat. 
Figured this would be a good jaunt to see how the coolant system acted with new 
parts and a good chance to attack some hills while loaded.
On the way I drove into a stiff wind from the west and there were several 
places where I had it floored on relativly even terrain and could only get 
70mph out of her. Temperature never got above 135-150 degrees. (Come to think 
of it temp never gets above 150...pre or post rad changeout and with three 
different 
t-statshummm)
On the way home, empty, the long hill out of Indio going east (about 12 miles I 
think) I normall can keep it at 65 but could only manage 55 or so. And, at one 
point going up this long hill, an '87 300D turbo, which was Beverly Hillbillies 
loaded, passed me like I was nailed to the pavement. Temp again was 150 tops.
The other odd thing is that it seems to be smoking at idle a bit more since the 
valve adjustment. Will running at 150 couse it to smoke than it would 
otherwise? 
Was that post confusing enough?

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 165K
'87 Acura Legend  180K
Litchfield Park, AZ 

Re: [MBZ] Beru or Bosch glow plugs? (was: No glow.)

[Gary Hurst]

general preference is for bosch.  everyone hates monark, except for me, as i
prefer monark.  no one ever buys berus, which leads me think they are the
brand to go with.

confused?  me too!


On 1/2/07, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Do folks like Beru or Bosch glow plugs?  My spares were Bosch; the
Beru are slightly cheaper but not enough to sway me one way or the
other.

Allan
--
1983 300D
1966 230

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Re: [MBZ] substitute parts

[OK Don]

It's the universal emergency kit.

On 1/2/07, Werner Fehlauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

And I thought it was a substitute door key
Werner

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Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 12:17 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] substitute parts


>> <>
>>
> The coat hangar is really a substitute for the antenna mast.
>
> RLE



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Norman, OK
"Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just
sit there."
Will Rogers
'90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager

Re: [MBZ] First CL of 07

[Rich Thomas]

Perhaps he could sell it to some football players.  OOPS! too late for 
some...


--R

Hendrik Riessen wrote:
What they meant to say was "selling for a friend..who is in jail and 
needs money fast before the big boys get to him"


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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 4:21 PM
Subject: [MBZ] First CL of 07

  

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Re: [MBZ] rear exhaust hanger question

[Marshall Booth]

Jim Cathey wrote:

The improved 'donuts' have chain or something
inside the rubber so they don't stretch out.

-- Jim


The "donuts" that you refer to as "improved" (they have a metal core)
are specific to certain models and should not be used on other models.
Simply get the correct part for your specific car! The proper hangers
should easily last 10+ years unless you do a lot of "off-roading." Some 
(but hardly all) aftermarket rubber hangers are of very poor quality and 
I've seen some fail within months. That has not happened to ME with 
genuine Mercedes hangers (that are correct for the application and model 
car).


Marshall
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Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
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Re: [MBZ] NO GLOW & exhaust hangers

[Jim Cathey]

Jim!; maybe you can answer this about the diff. readings on the glow
plugs;


Sure!  You have exactly one good GP left.  One (0.9) may be marginal.
An ohmmeter is not the best GP tester out there, but it is common
and inexpensive.  Better is a high-current ammeter, you can watch
the initial surge and see how fast the current drops to its normal
level.  (The MB manual never specifies plug resistance, only current
draw.)  If it draws the right amount (and pattern) of current then
it's probably OK, though I've heard of relatively rare failure
modes where the heat doesn't end up out at the tip.  However, I
can't visualize one of those drawing the correct amount of current,
though I could be wrong.


a 5.75 reading? ok? does this one have the shortest wire from gp
relay?  to it causing less resistance; maybe this one still ok?; and 
the

.9 resistance one, ok?; the open one is not ok; the 470 ohms one; i ran
into about this same reading & changed it, don't know if bad or not; i
don't change any glow plug unless it reads out of limits; i have 
extras,

but will not change unless; shows way out of limits


All but two were way out of limits!  From the manual:


The pencil-type glow plugs are designed for a
voltage of 11.5 V and are connected in parallel.
The heating element consists of a seriesconnected
heater and control coil.

1 Control coil
2 Heater cod

When the glow system is turned on, a current of
approx. 30 A is supplied to each glow plug. The
heater coil heats up the glow plug very rapidly.
The control coil resistance increases with rising
temperature, limiting the current to approx.
8-16 A. The glow plug is thus protected against
overload.


Looking at the current graph, within 5 seconds the
current has dropped from its 30A peak to 15A, and drops
very slowly after that to maybe 12A.  That fits with what
I've seen personally.

Doing the math, that's 11.5/15 (0.75) Ohms at 5 seconds,
and 11.5*15 (170) Watts.  At time zero, make that 11.5/30 (0.5)
Ohms, and 340 Watts.

Is your 0.9 ohm plug good?  Dunno, how accurate is your meter?
More importantly, how much current is that plug drawing after
a few seconds, it's that 170 Watt value that is the critical
thing for starting, since that is what is applied over time.
It appears that at T0 that plug is starting out at only about
half the heat it should be putting out, does it drop further
or does it hang at that value, which would be OK.  (Though it
would imply that the control coil in the GP wasn't working
right.)

Your 470 Ohm plug starts out pushing about 0.3 Watts of heat.
Whee.  Your 5750 Ohm plug makes 0.02 Watts, I think a red
LED would be warmer.


exhaust hangers; >> i don't use high priced Mobil 1 oil but i do put on
new ex. hangers when they look hard or cracked; also; what determines 
if

you need hard or soft compound on the hangers?; i try to get the ones
with the rubber in the center, but maybe hard to find now???
any info Jim?  thanks,


I just use whatever is handy, it's not rocket science.  The 'good'
cars have gotten the chain-filled ones since that is what the
dealer was pushing.  They've been OK for years.  The jalopies get
whatever good rings I find at the U-Pull when I'm there!

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Mono valve repair...

[Royce Engler]

Yep...the thing that sticks up above the body of the valve...looks like a
steel top hat... is the top end of what you see in the picture.   The rubber
thingy on the other end is what seats the valve.  the "top hat" part is what
"slides" through the electromagnetic coil that is in the top part of the
valve body.  It's that coil that you have to be careful of when you remove
the valve insert.  Take the four screws out on the top, pull out the whole
assembly, support the coil from the bottom and push out the insert from the
top.  A little PBBlaster on it will help it slide out.   HTH...

Royce Engler

1985 300TD Turbo 295K



-Original Message-
From: Allan Streib [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 10:29 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mono valve repair...


"Royce Engler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Rusty has the mono valve insert...I just did mine.

Is this "insert" also known as the "Mono Valve Repair Kit" ??

  http://img.eautopartscatalog.com/live/R302315174BOS.JPG

Allan
--
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1966 230

[MBZ] a W201 for your W123?

[kevin kraly]

I just spotted this one on CL.  This person is looking to get a slightly 
more spacious W123 240D/300D in trade for a 1984 190D.  I thought that this 
may be of some interest.


http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bar/256833704.html


Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
1983 300SD 265K miles, Ursula

PS.  I'm VERY VERY VERY HAPPY with the spacious W126. 

Re: [MBZ] First CL of 07

[Hendrik Riessen]

What they meant to say was "selling for a friend..who is in jail and 
needs money fast before the big boys get to him"


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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 4:21 PM
Subject: [MBZ] First CL of 07




http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/256088641.html  - Armored Benz

Re: [MBZ] Ten most over-rated "sports' cars/from the road tests

[E M]

Yeah, I was getting a little worried as I read down the list!!!  :-)

Zeb.

On 03/01/07, Hendrik Riessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Even better, for some, is that no Porsches made the list.yet:-)

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From: "Chuck Landenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ten most over-rated "sports' cars/from the road tests


> The Good News..!!!
>
> No Mercedes-Benz cars are on the list!!
>
> Chuck
> Phoenix AZ
>
> On Jan 2, 2007, at 7:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>

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[Hendrik Riessen]

Even better, for some, is that no Porsches made the list.yet:-)

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 3:38 PM
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The Good News..!!!

No Mercedes-Benz cars are on the list!!

Chuck
Phoenix AZ

On Jan 2, 2007, at 7:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[MBZ] NO GLOW & exhaust hangers

[Stephen D Murrell]

Jim!; maybe you can answer this about the diff. readings on the glow
plugs; a 5.75 reading? ok? does this one have the shortest wire from gp
relay?  to it causing less resistance; maybe this one still ok?; and the
.9 resistance one, ok?; the open one is not ok; the 470 ohms one; i ran
into about this same reading & changed it, don't know if bad or not; i
don't change any glow plug unless it reads out of limits; i have extras,
but will not change unless; shows way out of limits
exhaust hangers; >> i don't use high priced Mobil 1 oil but i do put on
new ex. hangers when they look hard or cracked; also; what determines if
you need hard or soft compound on the hangers?; i try to get the ones
with the rubber in the center, but maybe hard to find now???
any info Jim?  thanks,

Steve

Re: [MBZ] Washington State

[Jim Cathey]

the curse of being from my own mold (I probably agree with both you 
you cats

on some issues). I'm a vegetarian environmentalist...


Hey, if there are words for it it's too general for me.  "I refuse
to join any club that would have me as a member..." and all that.

I knew a Vegan once, but I think it finally rusted away on him.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Washington State (was: rear exhaust hanger question)

[Zoltan Finks]

Gotcha. I take things too seriously sometimes.

I am accustomed to being around folks with whom I vehmently disagree. That's
the curse of being from my own mold (I probably agree with both you you cats
on some issues). I'm a vegetarian environmentalist who is against gay
"marriage" and handouts for illegals (for example). I'm used to not fitting
in.

You'z guyz's brand of welcome should feel familiar.

Brian



On 1/3/07, Zeitgeist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


[cough]Need I say more?[/cough]

Enter at your own peril...oh, and don't forget to bring all your favorite
Microsoft tribute for Clay.  Clay basks in Bill's benevolent glory.

On 1/2/07, Redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The soviet socialist state of Washington accepts all sort of folks.  As
> long as your promise to vote pinko, be on welfare, spew forth babies
> that do not share a sperm donor, eat vegan, do not speak english, be on
> meth or crack, and enter the country without proper documentation.
>
> Welcome!
>
>
Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state"
'87 300TD intercooler/propane #22 0-60mph 7.3sec (220k)
'84 300D (218k)
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Re: [MBZ] First CL of 07

[woodlandtaylors]

Clay,

That’s a Non turbo too.

Look at this link:-

http://shorterlink.co.uk/6511

Thanks,
Dennis T 

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Re: [MBZ] Washington State (was: rear exhaust hanger question)

[Zeitgeist]

[cough]Need I say more?[/cough]

Enter at your own peril...oh, and don't forget to bring all your favorite
Microsoft tribute for Clay.  Clay basks in Bill's benevolent glory.

On 1/2/07, Redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


The soviet socialist state of Washington accepts all sort of folks.  As
long as your promise to vote pinko, be on welfare, spew forth babies
that do not share a sperm donor, eat vegan, do not speak english, be on
meth or crack, and enter the country without proper documentation.

Welcome!



Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state"
'87 300TD intercooler/propane #22 0-60mph 7.3sec (220k)
'84 300D (218k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)
http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG

Re: [MBZ] 300CD damage and value.

[Redghost]

I put a few lead on the CL listing.  See if one of the parts cars would 
be less expensive for you to make the car whole again.



On Jan 2, 2007, at 9:26 PM, woodlandtaylors wrote:

It is actually one of my cars; she (daughter) transferred from Seattle 
to
Portland. She now lives at home again when she not off flyingshe 
has the
95 E300D but was using the 300CD while I was servicing her 
carhence the
damage. I did a search on autotrader and there are none for sale 
around here
to use as a comparison. EBay has some currently listed up there in 
value of
$4K + .I need to determine if I should get it fixed or not Did 
list
it on craigslist at $3000 a while back but had no offersIt has 
310,000
on it but starts easy and dead reliable. She actually went to Seattle 
in it

the day after it got run into no issues at all.

Dennis T

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Behalf Of Redghost
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 9:12 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300CD damage and value.

Fight it all the way!  A good example CD in WA is not cheap.  IIRC,
the one for sale recently at SWMBA office went for over $7500.  Garage
queen low miles, but still.

With CL prices around PDX, you will be able to get a really high value,
as that is her market.  Or does she not live around that neck of the
woods anymore?  Seattle is pretty steep for a nice example of a CD.






On Jan 2, 2007, at 6:57 PM, woodlandtaylors wrote:


My daughter parked the 1982 300Cd on the street while visiting some
friends.
Her host backed out into the street and hit her car, immediately said
no
problem here is the insurance company and body shop I use.

So the body shop has had it for two weeks and done a small amount of
work on
it and the estimate is $2300 for repairs. Now the insurance company is
wanting to total vehicle and offer the $2300 as pay out. I say not
enough...
they state value in Washington State is what similar vehicles are
selling
for.

any thoughts...

Dennis T

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Re: [MBZ] Washington State (was: rear exhaust hanger question)

[Redghost]

The soviet socialist state of Washington accepts all sort of folks.  As 
long as your promise to vote pinko, be on welfare, spew forth babies 
that do not share a sperm donor, eat vegan, do not speak english, be on 
meth or crack, and enter the country without proper documentation.


Welcome!

On Jan 2, 2007, at 9:23 PM, Zoltan Finks wrote:

Wow. You guys really are a piece of work. If you spoke about an 
imigrant

coming to the U.S., that way, you'd be labeled bigots.

One more comment like that, Zeitgeist, and I'll have to finally ask 
you if
you are speaking in jest, or if your really are confronting me. And if 
you

are, I'll have to allow you to defend your position.

Brian


On 1/2/07, Redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


If you are moving to King County, we are welcoming more republicrats.
If you are a demicon, we have no need for you.  Move to Sequim or
Cashmere

On Jan 2, 2007, at 7:49 PM, Zeitgeist wrote:


Nothing personal, but just come and spend lots of money, then get the
hell
out.

On 1/2/07, Werner Fehlauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Brian -
If you're moving to that paradise called Washington State, you need
to be
aware that there's a not too subtle organization, mostly in Seattle,
that's
known as the "KBOs".  Years ago, they were reported to have put up
signs
on
the Northbound lanes of I-5 for California drivers, welcoming a 
visit

but
not to stay; made up slogans about "do not californicate
Washington";  even
wrote about the group in editorials in the Seattle papers.  You can
guess
what the initials stand for!



Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state"
'87 300TD intercooler/propane #22 0-60mph 7.3sec (220k)
'84 300D (218k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)
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1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz

Re: [MBZ] Washington State (was: rear exhaust hanger question)

[Redghost]

And there is something in the water and air that makes the liberals 
become vegan.  Then they get all sorts of medical issues related to a 
lack of iron and protein from not eating all the mad cows.  We vote and 
we are crazy!  Just go away.  Well, bring your old Benz, than go away.


On Jan 2, 2007, at 9:20 PM, Zeitgeist wrote:

See what I mean?  If you spend any time up here, you're forced to deal 
with
extremist wackos at either end of the spectrum, like Clay and me*.  
You have

been warned  Now git off my praperty, farner









*can you guess which of us is at which end of the nutpole?

On 1/2/07, Redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


If you are moving to King County, we are welcoming more republicrats.
If you are a demicon, we have no need for you.  Move to Sequim or
Cashmere



Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state"
'87 300TD intercooler/propane #22 0-60mph 7.3sec (220k)
'84 300D (218k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)
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1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz

[MBZ] First CL of 07

[Redghost]

Stop whining and just delete it if you are not interested in a listing 
of underpriced junk heaps.



http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/car/256760087.html  --  59 190D $1k

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/256749094.html --  84 D $400

http://seattle.craigslist.org/oly/car/256688038.html  --  Parts car for 
Dennis


http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/256325438.html  -- Crack

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/256243711.html  -- Crack?

http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/car/256191005.html  --  70 350SL

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/256155289.html  ** For Ms. Casey

http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/car/256091430.html  -- Example for 
Dennis


http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/256088641.html  - Armored Benz

http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/car/255982920.html  -- Franken SL 
candidate


http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/car/255952278.html  --  66 200D $1200

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/255922478.html  -- 83 240D $3k

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/255800919.html  --  Jim C. 
investment


http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/255770840.html  --  190D on crack

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/255697841.html  -- AZ Rodbender

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/255505593.html  -- Roger?  u 
selling?


http://seattle.craigslist.org/oly/car/255483085.html  --  83 SD $3500

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/255472110.html  --  96 AMG $8k

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/255443841.html  --  59 190D $4k

http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/car/255425564.html --  Jim C?

http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/car/255091940.html  --  72 350  SL  
$13k


http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/car/254679039.html  - Frankenbenz 
candidate


http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/254636973.html  --  90 2.5?

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/254614873.html  -- 5spd 190D

http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/car/254267833.html  --  116 for 
conversion?



If Ed B. decides to look into one of these I can check it out.  Might 
be able to look at a few for others interested in them.




--
Clay
Seattle Bioburner

1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz

Re: [MBZ] Washington State (was: rear exhaust hanger question)

[Zeitgeist]

Dude, I've met folks just like that.  I'm just the messenger.  This state is
plum full of kooks.

On 1/2/07, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Wow. You guys really are a piece of work. If you spoke about an imigrant
coming to the U.S., that way, you'd be labeled bigots.

One more comment like that, Zeitgeist, and I'll have to finally ask you if
you are speaking in jest, or if your really are confronting me. And if you
are, I'll have to allow you to defend your position.



Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state"
'87 300TD intercooler/propane #22 0-60mph 7.3sec (220k)
'84 300D (218k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)
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Re: [MBZ] substitute parts

[Werner Fehlauer]

And I thought it was a substitute door key
Werner

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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 12:17 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] substitute parts



<>


The coat hangar is really a substitute for the antenna mast.

RLE

Re: [MBZ] 300CD damage and value.

[woodlandtaylors]

It is actually one of my cars; she (daughter) transferred from Seattle to
Portland. She now lives at home again when she not off flyingshe has the
95 E300D but was using the 300CD while I was servicing her carhence the
damage. I did a search on autotrader and there are none for sale around here
to use as a comparison. EBay has some currently listed up there in value of
$4K + .I need to determine if I should get it fixed or not Did list
it on craigslist at $3000 a while back but had no offersIt has 310,000
on it but starts easy and dead reliable. She actually went to Seattle in it
the day after it got run into no issues at all.

Dennis T  

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Redghost
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 9:12 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300CD damage and value.

Fight it all the way!  A good example CD in WA is not cheap.  IIRC, 
the one for sale recently at SWMBA office went for over $7500.  Garage 
queen low miles, but still.

With CL prices around PDX, you will be able to get a really high value, 
as that is her market.  Or does she not live around that neck of the 
woods anymore?  Seattle is pretty steep for a nice example of a CD.






On Jan 2, 2007, at 6:57 PM, woodlandtaylors wrote:

> My daughter parked the 1982 300Cd on the street while visiting some 
> friends.
> Her host backed out into the street and hit her car, immediately said 
> no
> problem here is the insurance company and body shop I use.
>
> So the body shop has had it for two weeks and done a small amount of 
> work on
> it and the estimate is $2300 for repairs. Now the insurance company is
> wanting to total vehicle and offer the $2300 as pay out. I say not 
> enough...
> they state value in Washington State is what similar vehicles are 
> selling
> for.
>
> any thoughts...
>
> Dennis T
>
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Re: [MBZ] I don't need no steeenking paperwork...

[RELNGSON]

> <>
> 
Just have your title "washed" at Burger King, then.
> 
> 

Re: [MBZ] Washington State (was: rear exhaust hanger question)

[Zoltan Finks]

Wow. You guys really are a piece of work. If you spoke about an imigrant
coming to the U.S., that way, you'd be labeled bigots.

One more comment like that, Zeitgeist, and I'll have to finally ask you if
you are speaking in jest, or if your really are confronting me. And if you
are, I'll have to allow you to defend your position.

Brian


On 1/2/07, Redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


If you are moving to King County, we are welcoming more republicrats.
If you are a demicon, we have no need for you.  Move to Sequim or
Cashmere

On Jan 2, 2007, at 7:49 PM, Zeitgeist wrote:

> Nothing personal, but just come and spend lots of money, then get the
> hell
> out.
>
> On 1/2/07, Werner Fehlauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Brian -
>> If you're moving to that paradise called Washington State, you need
>> to be
>> aware that there's a not too subtle organization, mostly in Seattle,
>> that's
>> known as the "KBOs".  Years ago, they were reported to have put up
>> signs
>> on
>> the Northbound lanes of I-5 for California drivers, welcoming a visit
>> but
>> not to stay; made up slogans about "do not californicate
>> Washington";  even
>> wrote about the group in editorials in the Seattle papers.  You can
>> guess
>> what the initials stand for!
>>
>>
> Casey
> Olympia, WA
> Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state"
> '87 300TD intercooler/propane #22 0-60mph 7.3sec (220k)
> '84 300D (218k)
> Gashuffer:
> '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)
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1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz


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Re: [MBZ] Over-rated

[RELNGSON]

> < list!!>>
> 
I did wonder why the 190SL wasn't mentioned.

RLE
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Re: [MBZ] Washington State (was: rear exhaust hanger question)

[Zeitgeist]

See what I mean?  If you spend any time up here, you're forced to deal with
extremist wackos at either end of the spectrum, like Clay and me*.  You have
been warned  Now git off my praperty, farner









*can you guess which of us is at which end of the nutpole?

On 1/2/07, Redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


If you are moving to King County, we are welcoming more republicrats.
If you are a demicon, we have no need for you.  Move to Sequim or
Cashmere



Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state"
'87 300TD intercooler/propane #22 0-60mph 7.3sec (220k)
'84 300D (218k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)
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