Re: [MBZ] Drool

[Rich Thomas]

That would be pronounced "bevvuhlee" or "bevvlee." It's right next to 
peebuhddee.


--R

Jim Cathey wrote:

http://boston.craigslist.org/nos/cto/866389163.html


I've been to Beverly!  An ex girlfriend moved back there, I
helped her drive cross-country.  Her family owned a
copy shop, I think her brother still runs it.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 190E gets 35mpg!

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

yea right

Mitch Haley wrote:
I might consider buying this, seems like Berryman wanted $1k jusr for 
the manny tranny and everything you'd need to install it in a 190 a 
couple of years ago.

http://lansing.craigslist.org/cto/865279573.html

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Re: [MBZ] OT Three cheers for an OKie................perhaps?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

He was in the house way before that

LarryT wrote:
you asked >


If you're talking about Sen Coburn, he was elected to office in 2004 - 
so he was pretty new when the problems were starting - which he wrote 
about.


As far as where he was when the good times rolled  he was probably working.

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Three cheers for an OKieperhaps?


Yes but where was the good senator when the good times where rolling? 
Did he stand up and warn about the dangers of uncontrolled lending? 
Did he say that whilst home ownership is a good thing it is not for 
everybody? Or is he using this to further his own political ambition? 
If he is then he is worse than the jokers who took their eyes off the 
ball in the first place.
However this statement underlines why there is a bailout, collective 
guilt will be soothed with taxpayer money.
The other side of the coin is what would happen if there is no 
bailout? Would there be big problems or are these problems perceived? 
The stock market is largely made up of smoke and mirrors, people get 
spooked and a stampede follows, even though there may not be any good 
reason to do so. At least with this we sort of know what the problem 
is and can predict the likely result.
My thoughts are that the bailout should be a long term loan, the 
regulations should be tightened to ensure the idiots are weeded out 
and taxes should be raised on the rich (best along the lines of a 
higher luxury tax) to partly pay for all this stupidity. Far as I am 
concerned it should have been the share holders of the greedy lenders 
who should have said stop, as they have the brains.


Hendrik
dabbling in things he does not fully understand, bit like fixing a Merc

Loren Faeth wrote:
to Quote Dr. Tom Cobern, Senator from OK regarding the millionaire 
bailout bill :  (or Billionaire bailout bill if you prefer)


"This bill does not represent a new and sudden departure from free 
market principles as much as it represents an emergency response to 
congressional actions that have ignored free market principles, and 
our Constitution, for decades. If anyone in Washington should offer 
their resignation it should be the members of Congress who peddled 
the fantasy of free home ownership without risk. No institution in 
our country is more responsible for the myth or borrowing without 
consequences than the United States Congress."


"As much as members of Congress want to find scapegoats, the root of 
this problem is political greed in Congress. Members of Congress from 
both parties wanted short-term political credit for promoting home 
ownership even though they were putting our entire economy at risk by 
encouraging people to buy homes they couldn't afford. Then, instead 
of conducting thorough oversight and correcting obvious problems with 
unstable entities like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, members of 
Congress chose to ignore the problem and distract themselves with 
unprecedented amounts of pork-barrel spending."


"Taxpayers who want to ensure that this doesn't happen again should 
send a very clear message to Washington that it's time for Congress 
to live within its means and restore the principles of limited 
government and free markets that made this country great. I will do 
everything in my power to ensure that this bill does not lead us down 
a slippery slope of European style socialism and slow economic 
growth. I will also promise taxpayers that I will do everything in my 
power to block what I expect will be hundreds of attempts by 
politicians in Washington to continue business-as-usual borrowing and 
spending in the next Congress. In a time of crisis, American families 
have to make hard choices between budget priorities. So should 
Congress. If politicians want to create new programs they should 
eliminate duplicative programs or reduce funding for less important 
programs. The only way we can put this crisis behind us is for 
Congress to rejoin the real world of budget choices and consequences 
which, as we have seen in recent days, can be ignored for only so long."


This is one of the most coherent things I have seen coming out of the 
general vicinity of the District of Columbia.


Loren Faeth




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Re: [MBZ] Weird attack of sluggishness - W123 300TD

[andrew strasfogel]

I have a can of Biobor algaecide that came with the car but the directions
are quite complicated, not to mention hard to read, as they are printed in a
twisted way around the can.  Has anyone used this stuff?  I currently have
about 5 gallons in the tank (1983 300TD), or about 1/3 of a tank.
Otherwise, I started it up today after a couple days rest and it ran very
sluggishly for the first minute, then eased into normal operation (all flat
roads).  I ordered a tank strainer and install that   after the Biobor
treatment, if i can figure out how to do it.

Incidentally, the inline fuel filter is sparkling clear - not a speck of
crud in it.  Another question - is it normal for there to be a release of
air (or vacuum) when I remove the fuel filler cap?

Thanks to all for your great ideas and input.

Andrew
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> Alex Chamberlain wrote:
>
>> In the USA, every boat supply store sells it, but that's small
>> consolation for those on the list who don't live in coastal states, I
>> guess.
>>
>
> I failed in marine stores in Michigan, had to get my Bosch injection shop
> to order some for me.
>
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Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. Rusty?

[Scott Ritchey]

I recall that being the case but the HVAC worked fine without it.

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> Come to think of it, there was a second vacuum reservoir in the left 
> fender
> near the hood on my 79 300TD.  A PO had disconnected it and everything 
> still
> worked fine so I never gave it a second thought until now.  Is that 
> the one
> that troubles you?

That reservoir is for the HVAC system.  It was insufficient to
handle the locking system so a different one was added for that.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Spoof of the week

[Mitch Haley]

OK Don wrote:

Exactly.


But don't forget, Comrade Bush has over 300 co-conspirators, including
Comrades Biden (D-CT), McClain(R-AZ), Obama(D-IL), Lenin (D-MI)...

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Drool

[andrew strasfogel]

That's what is known as a 50' paint job.

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> http://boston.craigslist.org/nos/cto/866389163.html
>
> Don't tempt me!  It's not fair that it's on the wrong coast!
>
> Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
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Re: [MBZ] Spoof of the week

[OK Don]

Exactly.

On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 9:59 PM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> OK Don wrote:
>>
>> Comrade.
>
> Good point. FDR would have wanted to create jobs by spending $800 billion
> building windmills and solar generating plants. And that would be 100 times
> better use for the money than what we just did with it yesterday.
>
> Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Spoof of the week

[Mitch Haley]

OK Don wrote:

Comrade.


Good point. FDR would have wanted to create jobs by spending $800 billion 
building windmills and solar generating plants. And that would be 100 times 
better use for the money than what we just did with it yesterday.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Spoof of the week

[OK Don]

Comrade.

On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> OK Don wrote:
>>
>> That would be funny if it weren't true!
>
> The question is, do we call the president Comrade Bush or Franklin Delano
> Bush?

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Re: [MBZ] Update on the hesitation steering

[Mitch Haley]

Euan wrote:

The fix, you'll recall, was to adjust the power steering belt to 
eliminate slippage.


So how hard is it to steer with the engine off?

I back my 16v down a hill and turn around before starting the engine usually, 
it's kind of heavy, but not bad if it's rolling when I turn.


Mitch.

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[MBZ] Update on the hesitation steering

[Euan]

It's been some time since I last reported on the problem I had with my 
steering freezing momentarily.


The fix, you'll recall, was to adjust the power steering belt to 
eliminate slippage.


Well, that seems to have been the correct diagnosis. Wet or dry, there's 
been no recurrence of steering freeze at all.


That's quite some relief, I assure you.

Cheers

Euan
CHCH
NZ

1985 300TD 5-pd manual
213K mi


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Re: [MBZ] cheap 300E

[Gary Hurst]

oh, yeah, well worth a long look

do you evcen live near lansing, MI?

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[MBZ] cheap 300E

[Mitch Haley]

http://lansing.craigslist.org/cto/860351282.html

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Re: [MBZ] Drool

[Kevin Kraly]

http://boston.craigslist.org/nos/cto/866389163.html

Don't tempt me!  It's not fair that it's on the wrong coast!

Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
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Re: [MBZ] 190E gets 35mpg!

[Gary Hurst]

they are crazy rare.  a 2.6 would be preferred to a 2.3, but a running 2.3
with 5 speed is still a steal for a thousand bucks

one warning though is that a lot of guys think "5 speed" means the shift
lever is on the floor.  so they will call 4 speed manuals 5 speeds and
automatics with the gearshift between the seats a "5 speed" as well



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[MBZ] 190E gets 35mpg!

[Mitch Haley]

I might consider buying this, seems like Berryman wanted $1k jusr for the manny 
tranny and everything you'd need to install it in a 190 a couple of years ago.

http://lansing.craigslist.org/cto/865279573.html

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[MBZ] Upper ball joints

[Jim Cathey]

I've just finished doing one (of the two) in Ethelred, the '82
380 SL.  They were both bad and you could rattle the wheels back
and forth when jacked up.  (Chunka-chunka.)  It's been worrying
me, and I finally got time to address it.

It's actually not that hard, a 4" grinder is the secret weapon.
A carbide burr in the Dremel helped out.  It can be done on a
jack with no more disassembly of the front end than removing the
brake caliper.  (And that only for clearance.)  Then it all just
bolts back together.  It took me about four hours, I expect to
halve that on the other one.  I used the TRW bolt-on joint, the
official procedure is to replace the upper control arm, at a
significantly greater expense and with a lot more trouble.

Full story:

http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/SL2log.html#2Oct2008

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Re: [MBZ] Debate

[Mitch Haley]

LarryT wrote:

Either it happened again with Bush or youpre thinking about the person 
in Chicago who said that to Clinton and was promptly investigated by the 
IRS.


You wanna know something truly amazing?
I googled it and it lead me right back here:
http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/2008-April/094740.html

Having trouble finding it elsewhere.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] One down

[Jim Cathey]

they're REALLY tight against the rotor. Like its hard to turn the 
wheel tight, like it makes a horrible squealing noise when I move the 
car tight...


They'll scrub down to something reasonable pretty quickly.

I like to use a putty knife or the like to protect the pad and/or
rotor when I'm prying.  (The edge of the rotor needs no protection,
it's usually the fulcrum.)  I also like to use vise-grips to pull
the ears of the pads towards the caliper body, that and gentle
prying usually does it.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Drool

[Jim Cathey]

http://boston.craigslist.org/nos/cto/866389163.html


I've been to Beverly!  An ex girlfriend moved back there, I
helped her drive cross-country.  Her family owned a
copy shop, I think her brother still runs it.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. Rusty?

[Jim Cathey]

Come to think of it, there was a second vacuum reservoir in the left 
fender
near the hood on my 79 300TD.  A PO had disconnected it and everything 
still
worked fine so I never gave it a second thought until now.  Is that 
the one

that troubles you?


That reservoir is for the HVAC system.  It was insufficient to
handle the locking system so a different one was added for that.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Euan's 5spd 123.190

[Jim Cathey]

Were a lower ratio diff to be fitted, what would that mean for fuel 
consumption on the highway, I wonder?


Very little, I'd think.  Diesels aren't nearly as sensitive to
throttle position as gassers.  You want the engine running in
its sweet spot anyway, so if the gearing is too high you'd be
off on the low side anyway.

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Re: [MBZ] Debate

[LarryT]

You wrote <>

Either it happened again with Bush or youpre thinking about the person in 
Chicago who said that to Clinton and was promptly investigated by the IRS.


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Donald Snook wrote:

>If it weren't you would be rounded up for such criticism and shown what 
>it is

really like to not have freedom.

You mean like the people who think they can go to a Bush rally with a 
"stop the war" T-shirt on? Or the ones that think they can write "Bush 
Sucks" on a piece of notebook paper and hold it up at an airport as Air 
Farce One lands?
The Secret Service protection division seems to have been converted to the 
Waffen SS, starting about 2004.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Three cheers for an OKie................perhaps?

[LarryT]

you asked >


If you're talking about Sen Coburn, he was elected to office in 2004 - so he 
was pretty new when the problems were starting - which he wrote about.


As far as where he was when the good times rolled  he was probably working.

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Yes but where was the good senator when the good times where rolling? Did 
he stand up and warn about the dangers of uncontrolled lending? Did he say 
that whilst home ownership is a good thing it is not for everybody? Or is 
he using this to further his own political ambition? If he is then he is 
worse than the jokers who took their eyes off the ball in the first place.
However this statement underlines why there is a bailout, collective guilt 
will be soothed with taxpayer money.
The other side of the coin is what would happen if there is no bailout? 
Would there be big problems or are these problems perceived? The stock 
market is largely made up of smoke and mirrors, people get spooked and a 
stampede follows, even though there may not be any good reason to do so. 
At least with this we sort of know what the problem is and can predict the 
likely result.
My thoughts are that the bailout should be a long term loan, the 
regulations should be tightened to ensure the idiots are weeded out and 
taxes should be raised on the rich (best along the lines of a higher 
luxury tax) to partly pay for all this stupidity. Far as I am concerned it 
should have been the share holders of the greedy lenders who should have 
said stop, as they have the brains.


Hendrik
dabbling in things he does not fully understand, bit like fixing a Merc

Loren Faeth wrote:
to Quote Dr. Tom Cobern, Senator from OK regarding the millionaire 
bailout bill :  (or Billionaire bailout bill if you prefer)


"This bill does not represent a new and sudden departure from free market 
principles as much as it represents an emergency response to 
congressional actions that have ignored free market principles, and our 
Constitution, for decades. If anyone in Washington should offer their 
resignation it should be the members of Congress who peddled the fantasy 
of free home ownership without risk. No institution in our country is 
more responsible for the myth or borrowing without consequences than the 
United States Congress."


"As much as members of Congress want to find scapegoats, the root of this 
problem is political greed in Congress. Members of Congress from both 
parties wanted short-term political credit for promoting home ownership 
even though they were putting our entire economy at risk by encouraging 
people to buy homes they couldn't afford. Then, instead of conducting 
thorough oversight and correcting obvious problems with unstable entities 
like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, members of Congress chose to ignore the 
problem and distract themselves with unprecedented amounts of pork-barrel 
spending."


"Taxpayers who want to ensure that this doesn't happen again should send 
a very clear message to Washington that it's time for Congress to live 
within its means and restore the principles of limited government and 
free markets that made this country great. I will do everything in my 
power to ensure that this bill does not lead us down a slippery slope of 
European style socialism and slow economic growth. I will also promise 
taxpayers that I will do everything in my power to block what I expect 
will be hundreds of attempts by politicians in Washington to continue 
business-as-usual borrowing and spending in the next Congress. In a time 
of crisis, American families have to make hard choices between budget 
priorities. So should Congress. If politicians want to create new 
programs they should eliminate duplicative programs or reduce funding for 
less important programs. The only way we can put this crisis behind us is 
for Congress to rejoin the real world of budget choices and consequences 
which, as we have seen in recent days, can be ignored for only so long."


This is one of the most coherent things I have seen coming out of the 
general vicinity of the District of Columbia.


Loren Faeth




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Re: [MBZ] Debate

[LarryT]

Well, that's encouraging.  I feared it had been minimalized.

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Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 5:54 PM
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My youngest graduated from HS three years ago - he and his three
sisters before him all had significant study of the Constitution. I
still have several copies around the house. I even have one on an iPod
Touch!

On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 1:39 PM, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Gary wrote <>

Hey ya'll -  anyone know much the Constitution is taught in school these
days?



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Re: [MBZ] Euan's 5spd 123.190

[Euan]

Hi there, Max

Yes, I remember our conversations. Thanks for your comments this time too.

Apart from a thrust bearing renewal last year, nothing has been touched 
in the clutch. It's the original. 


Another possible cause (that I learned about in intervening years) would be an 
incorrect clutch disc - do you know if your's was ever replaced?  The 240D 
version can cause an intolerable juddering when installed in a 300D/TD (four 
springs vs. five in the 5cyl clutch disc).
  
The flywheel explanation came from a diesel engineer acquaintance who's 
been very keen to buy the wagon. This chap believes that the flywheels 
in 300TDs of this vintage were too heavy. But what that implies for this 
juddering feedback is beyond me, I'm afraid.


Were a lower ratio diff to be fitted, what would that mean for fuel 
consumption on the highway, I wonder?


Cheers

Euan

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Re: [MBZ] Three cheers for an OKie! Was PORK

[LarryT]

Hmmm where was the media when all this was happening?  I wonder how well 
the vote was publicized?   And when the topic was difficult to understand 
<>  they protected 
the dems as they always have.


But very gradually the situation is slwly turning around as things like 
NYT and others of similar ilk see their sales plummet.  Same for the Big 3 
networks as their viewerships continue to fall.


Unfortunately, it's taking too long.

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To: 
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Three cheers for an OKie! Was PORK


Rich wrote: "Note that this is on the Opinion page, but it seems rather 
straightforward and factual by a guy who knows his topic."


Here is another interesting article.  It has a similar thesis, EXCEPT it 
explores the role of Congress, finds the point at which Congress tried to 
act (and then places blame on those for failing.


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aSKSoiNbnQY0

It's a pretty interesting article.  Here is the most important part:


"What happened next was extraordinary. For the first time in history, a 
serious Fannie and Freddie reform bill was passed by the Senate Banking 
Committee. The bill gave a regulator 
power to crack down, and would have required the companies to eliminate 
their investments in risky assets.


Different World

If that bill had become law, then the world today would be different. In 
2005, 2006 and 2007, a blizzard of terrible mortgage paper fluttered out 
of the Fannie and Freddie clouds, burying many of our oldest and most 
venerable institutions. Without their checkbooks keeping the market liquid 
and buying up excess supply, the market would likely have not existed.


But the bill didn't become law, for a simple reason: Democrats opposed it 
on a party-line vote in the committee, signaling that this would be a 
partisan issue. Republicans, tied in knots by the tight Democratic 
opposition, couldn't even get the Senate to vote on the matter.


That such a reckless political stand could have been taken by the 
Democrats was obscene even then. Wallison 
wrote at the 
time: ``It is a classic case of socializing the risk while privatizing the 
profit. The Democrats and the few Republicans who oppose portfolio 
limitations could not possibly do so if their constituents understood what 
they were doing.''


Mounds of Materials

Now that the collapse has occurred, the roadblock built by Senate 
Democrats in 2005 is unforgivable. Many who opposed the bill doubtlessly 
did so for honorable reasons. Fannie and Freddie provided mounds of 
materials defending their practices. Perhaps some found their propaganda 
convincing.


But we now know that many of the senators who protected Fannie and 
Freddie, including Barack 
Obama, 
Hillary 
Clinton 
and Christopher 
Dodd, 
have received mind-boggling levels of financial support from them over the 
years."


There has been a lot of talk about who is to blame for this crisis. A look 
back at the story of 2005 makes the answer pretty clear.


Oh, and there is one little footnote to the story that's worth keeping in 
mind while Democrats point fingers between now and Nov. 4: Senator John 
McCain 
was one of the three cosponsors of 
S.190, the bill 
that would have averted this mess.

Donald H. Snook
1990 Volvo 240DL (with a McCain sticker on it).
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Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. Rusty?

[Scott Ritchey]

Come to think of it, there was a second vacuum reservoir in the left fender
near the hood on my 79 300TD.  A PO had disconnected it and everything still
worked fine so I never gave it a second thought until now.  Is that the one
that troubles you?

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. Rusty?

Wagon

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. Rusty?

Drops??  From under the  car?  Are you talking about a wagon or  a sedan?
Mine is a 300TD wagon.

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 11:08 PM, Scott Ritchey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Mine was some kind of plastic.  I don't recall the details but it took
> maybe
> an hour to drop the vacuum reservoir.  I think there were screws or nuts
> under the back compartment liner.  I think I used soapy water and blew
into
> it with my mouth via a hose to locate the leaks.  You do want to remove
the
> tank because the leaks could be on top which is up against the
> chassis/floor.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel
>  Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 15:56
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. Rusty?
>
> How hard is it to expose the tank in a wagon and locate the crack?  Is it
> made of metal or plastic?
>
> On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 1:59 PM, Scott Ritchey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > If it's only cracked, this is a job for shoe goo.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >  On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel
> > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 11:39
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. Rusty?
> >
> > Hey Rusty, how about a 300TD wagon vacuum reservoir tank (beneath the
> rear
> > hatch area floor)?
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 11:13 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks-I looked on their website at Glen Brown's suggestion-only saw
> > > various SL panels-107, 113, etc. I need to e-mail them.  My body shop
> guy
> > > said that he used to get 123 quarters for years from Bob's Benzes. He
> > said
> > > he was fixing  them already back in the 80's here in salty NE-anybody
> > know
> > > about Bob's Benzes?
> > > Curt's right-I just need the lower quarter from  belt line down with
> > > dogleg.
> > > Dwight
> > >   Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > KK in Michigan sells repair panels for common rustout areas..
> > > >
> > > > At 09:20 AM 10/3/2008, you wrote:
> > > > >One wonders how much the replacement rear quarter covers, up behind
> > > > >the door to the top of the rear window? How far around the rear of
> the
> > > car?
> > > > >
> > > > >Dwight's rust problem is just the lowest part of the quarter, same
> > > > >place as most of 'em...
> > > > >
> > > > >-Curt
> > > > >
> > > > >Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:02:53 -0400
> > > > >From: "Dwight E. Giles, Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > >Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. Rusty?
> > > > >To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
> > > > >Message-ID:
> > > > >
> >
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> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > >Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
> > > > >Wickford RI 02852
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Re: [MBZ] Spoof of the week

[Mitch Haley]

OK Don wrote:

That would be funny if it weren't true!


The question is, do we call the president Comrade Bush or Franklin Delano Bush?

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Re: [MBZ] Spoof of the week

[OK Don]

That would be funny if it weren't true!

On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 5:16 PM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://www.strategerycapital.com/index.php?slug=home
>

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Re: [MBZ] Debate

[OK Don]

In school, with discussions at home afterwords. They were all in
debate also, and made use of it in their arguments.

>> My youngest graduated from HS three years ago - he and his three
>> sisters before him all had significant study of the Constitution.
>
> In school, at home, or both?

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[MBZ] Spoof of the week

[Mitch Haley]

http://www.strategerycapital.com/index.php?slug=home

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[MBZ] Drool

[Curt Raymond]

http://boston.craigslist.org/nos/cto/866389163.html





  
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Re: [MBZ] One down

[Curt Raymond]

Well that was to be the subject of my next post.
I didn't realize that the front rotors and wheel bearings were inter-related 
the way they are and I'm not prepared...

In fact its terrible because in pushing the driver's side front caliper back I 
pretty much destroyed the pads, it looked like they were delaminating anyway... 
So I had to put in new pads but leave the old rotor which is really rusty. I'm 
reasonably sure the caliper is retracted the whole way because the new pads are 
flush to metal, I can't see how they could fit in any farther but they're 
REALLY tight against the rotor. Like its hard to turn the wheel tight, like it 
makes a horrible squealing noise when I move the car tight...

I know when I'm over my head, this'll go to my Indy for finishing. The rears 
are done, one set of pads is replaced, I know the rearmost cables are not 
stuck...

-Curt

--- On Sat, 10/4/08, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] One down
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Date: Saturday, October 4, 2008, 2:55 PM

always do one pad at a time - using a large screwdriver wedged between the 
old pad and rotor obviously being careful not to damage the rotor - although 
that's unlikely.

Never remove both pads at the same time -  you'll find a worn pad makes a 
perfect place to wedge the screwdriver.

Don't forget the backing plates if fitted and put some anti- squeal paste
on 
the back of the pads  and don;t put greasy finger
 prints on the rotor or new pads.

The new pads should slide in easily as long as the piston/s is fully 
retracted.  Small blocks of wood are helpful also -

Are you doing the wheel bearings now also?

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Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 1:03 PM
Subject: [MBZ] One down


> Driver's side rear brake is done. Learned a lot, managed to break a 
> c-clamp. It was a tool show cheapie but interestingly had been fine up 
> till now...
> I learned the better way to push the calipers back is with a screwdriver 
> while the old pads and rotor are still installed...
>
> Gotta have some lunch and get back out there!
>
>
> -Curt
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Debate

[Mitch Haley]

OK Don wrote:

My youngest graduated from HS three years ago - he and his three
sisters before him all had significant study of the Constitution. 


In school, at home, or both?

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Re: [MBZ] Debate

[OK Don]

My youngest graduated from HS three years ago - he and his three
sisters before him all had significant study of the Constitution. I
still have several copies around the house. I even have one on an iPod
Touch!

On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 1:39 PM, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gary wrote <>
>
> Hey ya'll -  anyone know much the Constitution is taught in school these
> days?
>

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Re: [MBZ] RICH NEEDS TO BUY THIS

[Rich Thomas]

My wife would love it after she killed me.

--R

Max Dillon wrote:

Found one for you, I'm passing because it doesn't have AC.  '72 350SL for $3950 
(typo?)

http://charleston.craigslist.org/ctd/865375420.html



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Re: [MBZ] Debate

[Gary Hurst]

after the war, they were still vilified equally with the ss who ran the
camps, but i always found this to be incorrect, sort of the equivalent
singling out marines or rangers for special treatment.  then again, such
subtleties were not really on anyone's minds as the winners were pissed off
and anyone wearing SS insignia was in serious trouble.

The SS stigma lasts to this day.  I knew an old german guy, gunther, who
spent many years as a young lad fighting in russia for his country.  being
the asshole i am and just loving to pick on germans, i would always tell him
he was amongst friends and can admit he was not just wermacht and was, in
fact, waffen SS.  i most enjoy his shrill and hysterical denials for having
to do with anything ss.

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> Gary Hurst wrote:
>
>> the waffen ss are just plain military,
>>
>
> In the end, you were right, but in the beginning, a little closer to what I
> was thinking.
>
> http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/waffenss.html
> The Waffen-SS ("Armed Protective Squadron") was the combat arm of the
> Schutzstaffel. Commanded by Heinrich Himmler who was ranked Reichsführer-SS
> (National Leader of the SS), the Waffen-SS saw action throughout the Second
> World War.
>
> After humble beginnings as a protection unit for the NSDAP leadership, the
> Waffen-SS eventually grew into a huge force of thirty-eight combat divisions
> comprising over 950,000 men. In the Nuremberg Trials, the Waffen-SS was
> condemned as part of a criminal organisation, and therefore Waffen-SS
> veterans were denied many of the rights afforded other German combat
> veterans.
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Re: [MBZ] One down

[LarryT]

always do one pad at a time - using a large screwdriver wedged between the 
old pad and rotor obviously being careful not to damage the rotor - although 
that's unlikely.


Never remove both pads at the same time -  you'll find a worn pad makes a 
perfect place to wedge the screwdriver.


Don't forget the backing plates if fitted and put some anti- squeal paste on 
the back of the pads  and don;t put greasy finger

prints on the rotor or new pads.

The new pads should slide in easily as long as the piston/s is fully 
retracted.  Small blocks of wood are helpful also -


Are you doing the wheel bearings now also?

Take Care,
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From: "Curt Raymond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Diesel List" 
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 1:03 PM
Subject: [MBZ] One down


Driver's side rear brake is done. Learned a lot, managed to break a 
c-clamp. It was a tool show cheapie but interestingly had been fine up 
till now...
I learned the better way to push the calipers back is with a screwdriver 
while the old pads and rotor are still installed...


Gotta have some lunch and get back out there!


-Curt



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Re: [MBZ] Debate

[LarryT]

Gary wrote <>

Hey ya'll -  anyone know much the Constitution is taught in school these 
days?


It's been 40+ years since I last stepped into my High School, but I seem to 
recall spending a semester/quarter on the Constitution - possibly 2 
semesters/quarters.


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Maybe if enough people understood the Constitution and the Bill Of Rights 
and then had enough "humph" to say, believe and stand behind "He_ _ NO I'm 
not going to take it anymore" we would not have to worry about someone 
knocking on our door - or more explicitly knocking down our door in the 
middle of the night those treasonus robber barrons probably would have to 
worry though.   :)



Dave H...> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 10:18:22 -0700> From: 
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Debate> > Why? The high crime of treason is the only crime actually 
spelled out in the > constitution. Why shouldn't we expect, if not demand, 
that those guilty of> treason are brought to justice?> > On Fri, Oct 03, 
2008 at 08:55:43AM -0400, andrew strasfogel wrote:> > You might not want 
to utter such remarks in a public forum. Someone might> > take you 
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[MBZ] Euan's 5spd 123.190

[Max Dillon]

Howdy Euan, we had an exchange re: juddering several years ago when I also 
owned a car like yours.

Mine would make an obnoxious noise at low RPM in 1st and 2nd, and keeping above 
2000 RPM would eliminate it.  The noise came from either the engine or the 
transmission to my ears, and my mechanic declared it to be a problem in the 
transmission.  He said that incorrectly set-up clearances would cause it, that 
it was purely an annoyance, but if I had $1600 for a rebuild he could probably 
fix it.

However, I don't think that your problem is the same, unless it is a much more 
severe case.

Another possible cause (that I learned about in intervening years) would be an 
incorrect clutch disc - do you know if your's was ever replaced?  The 240D 
version can cause an intolerable juddering when installed in a 300D/TD (four 
springs vs. five in the 5cyl clutch disc).


--
Very respectfully, 
/s/ 
Max Dillon 
'87 300TD, 310k miles 
Charleston SC 
Digest lurker (on and off) since 
2001 
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Re: [MBZ] Euan

[Jeff Zedic]

Yes!

I've been enjoying the warm sparkly weather..almost ready to buy a
scarf.

Zedic
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Re: [MBZ] Euan

[Robert Rentfro]

Hey Zedic,

Are you still in the UK?

Bob R
In the AZ

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I thought all the wagins had a different ratio diff than the
sedanssomeone must have a technical data sheet with the info.

Zedic
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Re: [MBZ] Euan

[Curt Raymond]

Yeah thats my point, Euan could benefit from a lower ratio like from a 240D...

-Curt

--- On Sat, 10/4/08, Jeff Zedic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Euan
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Date: Saturday, October 4, 2008, 1:08 PM

I thought all the wagins had a different ratio diff than the sedanssomeone 
must have a technical data sheet with the info.

Zedic




  
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Re: [MBZ] Euan

[Jeff Zedic]

I thought all the wagins had a different ratio diff than the
sedanssomeone must have a technical data sheet with the info.

Zedic
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[MBZ] One down

[Curt Raymond]

Driver's side rear brake is done. Learned a lot, managed to break a c-clamp. It 
was a tool show cheapie but interestingly had been fine up till now...
I learned the better way to push the calipers back is with a screwdriver while 
the old pads and rotor are still installed...

Gotta have some lunch and get back out there!


-Curt


  
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Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. Rusty?

[Scott Ritchey]

Wagon

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On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 10:08
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. Rusty?

Drops??  From under the  car?  Are you talking about a wagon or  a sedan?
Mine is a 300TD wagon.

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 11:08 PM, Scott Ritchey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Mine was some kind of plastic.  I don't recall the details but it took
> maybe
> an hour to drop the vacuum reservoir.  I think there were screws or nuts
> under the back compartment liner.  I think I used soapy water and blew
into
> it with my mouth via a hose to locate the leaks.  You do want to remove
the
> tank because the leaks could be on top which is up against the
> chassis/floor.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel
>  Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 15:56
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. Rusty?
>
> How hard is it to expose the tank in a wagon and locate the crack?  Is it
> made of metal or plastic?
>
> On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 1:59 PM, Scott Ritchey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > If it's only cracked, this is a job for shoe goo.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >  On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel
> > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 11:39
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. Rusty?
> >
> > Hey Rusty, how about a 300TD wagon vacuum reservoir tank (beneath the
> rear
> > hatch area floor)?
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 11:13 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks-I looked on their website at Glen Brown's suggestion-only saw
> > > various SL panels-107, 113, etc. I need to e-mail them.  My body shop
> guy
> > > said that he used to get 123 quarters for years from Bob's Benzes. He
> > said
> > > he was fixing  them already back in the 80's here in salty NE-anybody
> > know
> > > about Bob's Benzes?
> > > Curt's right-I just need the lower quarter from  belt line down with
> > > dogleg.
> > > Dwight
> > >   Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > KK in Michigan sells repair panels for common rustout areas..
> > > >
> > > > At 09:20 AM 10/3/2008, you wrote:
> > > > >One wonders how much the replacement rear quarter covers, up behind
> > > > >the door to the top of the rear window? How far around the rear of
> the
> > > car?
> > > > >
> > > > >Dwight's rust problem is just the lowest part of the quarter, same
> > > > >place as most of 'em...
> > > > >
> > > > >-Curt
> > > > >
> > > > >Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:02:53 -0400
> > > > >From: "Dwight E. Giles, Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > >Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. Rusty?
> > > > >To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
> > > > >Message-ID:
> > > > >
> >
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> > > > >
> > > > >Thanks but OUCH.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co
> > > > >Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
> > > > >Wickford RI 02852
> > > > >
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Re: [MBZ] Debate

[Mitch Haley]

Gary Hurst wrote:
the waffen ss are just plain military, 


In the end, you were right, but in the beginning, a little closer to what I was 
thinking.


http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/waffenss.html
The Waffen-SS ("Armed Protective Squadron") was the combat arm of the 
Schutzstaffel. Commanded by Heinrich Himmler who was ranked Reichsführer-SS 
(National Leader of the SS), the Waffen-SS saw action throughout the Second 
World War.


After humble beginnings as a protection unit for the NSDAP leadership, the 
Waffen-SS eventually grew into a huge force of thirty-eight combat divisions 
comprising over 950,000 men. In the Nuremberg Trials, the Waffen-SS was 
condemned as part of a criminal organisation, and therefore Waffen-SS veterans 
were denied many of the rights afforded other German combat veterans.


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[MBZ] HR 1424 - Background on Debacle!

[Chuck Landenberger]

Hi all,

With all of the who did what or who didn't do anything to cause/ 
contribute to the current financial debacle, here are two pretty  
clear articles from the NYTimes


This is from 1999:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html? 
res=9C0DE7DB153EF933A0575AC0A96F958260

This is from 2003:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html? 
res=9E06E3D6123BF932A2575AC0A9659C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1


Interesting reading, some of which totally contradicts what is being  
stated today as fact!


I'll leave the reader to draw their own conclusions!

Take care,

Chuck
Phoenix AZ



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Re: [MBZ] RICH NEEDS TO BUY THIS

[Jim Cathey]

I'm passing because it doesn't have AC.  '72 350SL for $3950 (typo?)
http://charleston.craigslist.org/ctd/865375420.html


It has it.  It's probably just broken, but I'm sure
it's fixable, as opposed to a Euro car that was made
without it or something.  (Well, it has the thermostat
knob, anyway.)

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. plus a few other pieces.....purists be warned, not for the faint hearted

[Jim Cathey]

http://nast-sonderfahrzeuge.de/MB-Exotenforum/forum_entry.php?id=19925
or for those who need a bit more space  
http://www.autoscout24.it/Details.aspx?id=138296208
or if you want the car to arrive half an hour before you do  
http://nast-sonderfahrzeuge.de/MB-Exotenforum/ 
forum_entry.php?id=19731&page=1&category=0&order=time


Any one of those would be worthy of decorating my parking
space at work.  Might get more than a few comments, though
I think the first one would probably impress this crowd the
most.

(If one were to park a Bugatti Veyron across from a Bugatti
Royale I know which one would probably be drawing flocks.
But I'd rather have the Royale.)


Yeah, its made out of fiberglass.


That's the impression I got.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. Rusty?

[andrew strasfogel]

Drops??  From under the  car?  Are you talking about a wagon or  a sedan?
Mine is a 300TD wagon.

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 11:08 PM, Scott Ritchey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Mine was some kind of plastic.  I don't recall the details but it took
> maybe
> an hour to drop the vacuum reservoir.  I think there were screws or nuts
> under the back compartment liner.  I think I used soapy water and blew into
> it with my mouth via a hose to locate the leaks.  You do want to remove the
> tank because the leaks could be on top which is up against the
> chassis/floor.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel
>  Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 15:56
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. Rusty?
>
> How hard is it to expose the tank in a wagon and locate the crack?  Is it
> made of metal or plastic?
>
> On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 1:59 PM, Scott Ritchey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > If it's only cracked, this is a job for shoe goo.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >  On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel
> > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 11:39
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. Rusty?
> >
> > Hey Rusty, how about a 300TD wagon vacuum reservoir tank (beneath the
> rear
> > hatch area floor)?
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 11:13 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks-I looked on their website at Glen Brown's suggestion-only saw
> > > various SL panels-107, 113, etc. I need to e-mail them.  My body shop
> guy
> > > said that he used to get 123 quarters for years from Bob's Benzes. He
> > said
> > > he was fixing  them already back in the 80's here in salty NE-anybody
> > know
> > > about Bob's Benzes?
> > > Curt's right-I just need the lower quarter from  belt line down with
> > > dogleg.
> > > Dwight
> > >   Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > KK in Michigan sells repair panels for common rustout areas..
> > > >
> > > > At 09:20 AM 10/3/2008, you wrote:
> > > > >One wonders how much the replacement rear quarter covers, up behind
> > > > >the door to the top of the rear window? How far around the rear of
> the
> > > car?
> > > > >
> > > > >Dwight's rust problem is just the lowest part of the quarter, same
> > > > >place as most of 'em...
> > > > >
> > > > >-Curt
> > > > >
> > > > >Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:02:53 -0400
> > > > >From: "Dwight E. Giles, Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > >Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. Rusty?
> > > > >To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
> > > > >Message-ID:
> > > > >
> >
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> > > > >
> > > > >Thanks but OUCH.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co
> > > > >Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
> > > > >Wickford RI 02852
> > > > >
> > > > >
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Re: [MBZ] Roll call vote on HR 1424

[andrew strasfogel]

Hey Wonko, are you going to move back to DC?

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 9:21 PM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Wonko the Sane wrote:
>
>> Dubya is a Democratic cheerleader?
>>
>
> Only if the Democrats have turned to Marxism.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Debate

[Gary Hurst]

the waffen ss are just plain military, comparable, say, the USMC.  you would
mean just plain SS, but probably more like gestapo from your description.

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 7:09 PM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Donald Snook wrote:
>
> >If it weren't you would be rounded up for such criticism and shown what it
> is really like to not have freedom.
>
> You mean like the people who think they can go to a Bush rally with a "stop
> the war" T-shirt on? Or the ones that think they can write "Bush Sucks" on a
> piece of notebook paper and hold it up at an airport as Air Farce One lands?
> The Secret Service protection division seems to have been converted to the
> Waffen SS, starting about 2004.
>
> Mitch.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Debate

[Gary Hurst]

i think it was snook.

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Who committed treason?
>
> Kevin wrote:
> > Why? The high crime of treason is the only crime actually spelled out in
> the
> > constitution. Why shouldn't we expect, if not demand, that those guilty
> of
> > treason are brought to justice?
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 08:55:43AM -0400, andrew strasfogel wrote:
> >
> >> You might not want to utter such remarks in a public forum.  Someone
> might
> >> take you seriously and knock on your door...
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Debate

[David Hemsley]

Maybe if enough people understood the Constitution and the Bill Of Rights and 
then had enough "humph" to say, believe and stand behind "He_ _ NO I'm not 
going to take it anymore" we would not have to worry about someone knocking on 
our door - or more explicitly knocking down our door in the middle of the night 
those treasonus robber barrons probably would have to worry though.   :)
 
 
Dave H...> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 10:18:22 -0700> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 
mercedes@okiebenz.com> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Debate> > Why? The high crime of 
treason is the only crime actually spelled out in the > constitution. Why 
shouldn't we expect, if not demand, that those guilty of> treason are brought 
to justice?> > On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 08:55:43AM -0400, andrew strasfogel 
wrote:> > You might not want to utter such remarks in a public forum. Someone 
might> > take you seriously and knock on your door...> > 
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Re: [MBZ] Euan

[Curt Raymond]

Euan, any time you want to "bore" us with a post like that you go right ahead. 
I find it much more interesting than the political pap we've had lately.
The juddering you describe interests me since it doesn't happen on my 240D or 
190D both manual. I do get a shudder on the 190D first thing in the morning. I 
don't know if its clutch trouble or the engine not having as much power when 
its cold. I live with it as its gone within a mile. Could you potentially swap 
in the rear end from a different car? I don't know if the wagon had a unique 
rear diff but if not it seems like one from a 240D should get your gearing 
down...

Rolf, notice Euan's email address ends in .nz. Loads of cool cars out there we 
never got in the US. You did notice his is a 5spd.

-Curt

Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 13:37:51 +1200
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This is dangerous, Rolf. I could bore you cross-eyed on this subject.

The wagon was manufactured with this transmission. The PO (a Brit padre 
with an RAF Tornado squadron in Holland) selected that option at the 
Dutch assembly plant he toured with his options tick-sheet. I bought the 
wagon from him after he emigrated to the Colonies in 1987. It had 29000 
miles on it then.


  
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Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. plus a few other pieces.....purists be warned, not for the faint hearted

[tom savage]

Mitch Haley wrote:

Hendrik & Fay wrote:

http://nast-sonderfahrzeuge.de/MB-Exotenforum/forum_entry.php?id=19925


Rice, rice, baby!
Can you imagine trying to get TÜV to let you drive it on the road?


I kind of like it.  The world needs more brown hot rods.

http://nast-sonderfahrzeuge.de/MB-Exotenforum/forum_entry.php?id=19731 


I bet Tom could tell us all about this.


Yeah, its made out of fiberglass.

Tom
Going back under his rock

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[MBZ] RICH NEEDS TO BUY THIS

[Max Dillon]

Found one for you, I'm passing because it doesn't have AC.  '72 350SL for $3950 
(typo?)

http://charleston.craigslist.org/ctd/865375420.html



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2001 
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Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. plus a few other pieces.....purists be warned, not for the faint hearted

[Mitch Haley]

Mitch Haley wrote:

Hendrik & Fay wrote:

http://nast-sonderfahrzeuge.de/MB-Exotenforum/forum_entry.php?id=19925


Can you imagine trying to get TÜV to let you drive it on the road?


On second thought, although it's on a .de web site, is that a Russian plate?
I bet the Russians are less strict than TÜV.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. plus a few other pieces.....purists be warned, not for the faint hearted

[Mitch Haley]

Hendrik & Fay wrote:

http://nast-sonderfahrzeuge.de/MB-Exotenforum/forum_entry.php?id=19925


Rice, rice, baby!
Can you imagine trying to get TÜV to let you drive it on the road?


http://www.autoscout24.it/Details.aspx?id=138296208


E200 Hearse? Roomy, but probably a bit slow. Might be fun, but not for $7000 
plus freight.



http://nast-sonderfahrzeuge.de/MB-Exotenforum/forum_entry.php?id=19731 


I bet Tom could tell us all about this.

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Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. plus a few other pieces.....purists be warned, not for the faint hearted

[Hendrik & Fay]

http://nast-sonderfahrzeuge.de/MB-Exotenforum/forum_entry.php?id=19925
or for those who need a bit more space 
http://www.autoscout24.it/Details.aspx?id=138296208
or if you want the car to arrive half an hour before you do 
http://nast-sonderfahrzeuge.de/MB-Exotenforum/forum_entry.php?id=19731&page=1&category=0&order=time


  



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[MBZ] Java Error

[Ed Booher]

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 2:01 PM, David Hemsley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

>
> I don't understand it but since I got this new computer i cannot log onto
> the home site  I keep getting some type of a JAVA error.
>
> Thanks,
> Dave H...
>

Write down the error and send it back. The most likely problem is the new
computer does not have the Java Runtime Environment (JRE) installed, and as
such, can not run Java programs.

EdB

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