Re: [MBZ] OT OK you apple geeks

[Dan Penoff]

We do, along with many other social networking sites. It's all part of CIPA, 
which affects out eligibility for Federal funds.

We use hosts files regularly to selectively filter sites that may not be 
objectionable but are distracting.

Dan

On May 24, 2012, at 7:27 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Fmiser wrote:
> 
>> Uhh.  He has them all pointed to 127.0.0.1 - or localhost.  In
>> otherwords, a dead end.  None of those will ever load anything.
>> I don't think that's what you did in the schools
> 
> A lot of schools block, or should block, facebook.
> I know my niece's high school does.
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] OT OK you apple geeks

[Dan Penoff]

Exactly.

When little Johnny wants to go to Pandora to listen to music instead of study 
or do research, we need to find a way to prevent him from accessing it.

Hosts files are the perfect means of doing this, which is exactly why we use 
them. Easy to update and change, easy to manage.

Dan

On May 23, 2012, at 10:17 PM, Craig  wrote:

> On Wed, 23 May 2012 20:45:46 -0400 Dan Penoff  wrote:
> 
>> Nothing like adding your favorite sites to the hosts file that's a
>> simple workaround we used to do in the schools...
> 
> Yes, indeed, but note the IPs he's assigned to them; a request for
> facebook anything doesn't leave his box.
> 
> 
> Craig
> 
>> On May 23, 2012, at 8:42 PM, Allan Streib wrote:
>> 
>>> Tim C  writes:
>>> 
 About the only way I know to handle Facebook is Chrome, so when it
 misbehaves at least you can close just the one tab.
>>> 
>>> I handle facebook like this:
>>> 
>>> $ grep facebook /etc/hosts
>>> 127.0.0.1  www.facebook.com
>>> 127.0.0.1  facebook.com
>>> 127.0.0.1  connect.facebook.net
>>> 127.0.0.1  facebook.net
>>> 127.0.0.1  ads.facebook.com
>>> 127.0.0.1  ads.ak.facebook.com
>>> 
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> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT OK you apple geeks

[Mitch Haley]

Dieselhead wrote:
I think apple's decision to ban flash on the ipad/iphone is a good one.  
It is a pig.  Flash was bad when it came out, and has never gotten any 
better.  I generally don't allow flash to load, and quickly leave 
websites that require flash, unless there is something non-flash that is 
interesting.


What's fun is when you go to an auto manufacturer's home page, and the whole 
thing is one giant flash, with no obvious 'click here for html' to be seen.

Do they want to sell you a car, or just piss you off?

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Re: [MBZ] OT OK you apple geeks

[Dieselhead]

Adobe products are mildly annoying as are some websites who rely on them.
 Just yesterday T-Mobile sent me an mail saying my bill was ready.  I had
to download and install a new version of Acrobat Reader just to look at the
bill and then I couldn't save it because of the way they created it.
 Normally on a Mac you can save as a PDF, or when you click Print, you can
Print to PDF.  However, this version of Acrobat expressly prohibits it.  I
complained to T-Mobile and am waiting their response.


seems to be a "feature" of the latest version of actobat.  Must have 
been required for a goobermint contract, as all the goobermint 
websites seem to now have this "feature"  You can't print normally, 
If the acrappy (adby?) reader shows you a little print icon, you 
can print, but not save that way.  It seems that the print icon can 
be turned on or off by the creator.  if they forget to add it, you 
get a form you  can;t print, and can't save.  totally worthless.


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Re: [MBZ] OT OK you apple geeks

[Dieselhead]

I think apple's decision to ban flash on the ipad/iphone is a good 
one.  It is a pig.  Flash was bad when it came out, and has never 
gotten any better.  I generally don't allow flash to load, and 
quickly leave websites that require flash, unless there is something 
non-flash that is interesting.



Interesting you say that.  About every week the Flash updater wants 
to update Flash, which of course means going through some various 
hoops to get the files, approve the update, typing in codes, then 
shutting down the browser and restarting it, and various other 
annoying activities.  Not sure how to kill Flash as it seems many 
sites require Flash to do various things.


--R (who thought macs "just worked")

On 5/23/12 10:09 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:

Ditch Flash player, it eats 95% of CPU time while idle.

Safari isn't anything to get excited about, either.

Peter



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Re: [MBZ] OT OK you apple geeks

[Mitch Haley]

Fmiser wrote:


Uhh.  He has them all pointed to 127.0.0.1 - or localhost.  In
otherwords, a dead end.  None of those will ever load anything.

I don't think that's what you did in the schools


A lot of schools block, or should block, facebook.
I know my niece's high school does.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT OK you apple geeks

[Allan Streib]

Jim Cathey  writes:

> Try a different browser for awhile.  Those Quad G5's are _fast_!

Ah I didn't realize it was a PPC mac.  If you like FireFox, you might
try the G5 build of tenfourfox then

  http://www.floodgap.com:80/software/tenfourfox/

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT OK you apple geeks

[Jim Cathey]

I get this idea that this is not how it should be.  I think it is 
Firefox that is buggering it, as the system monitor shows FF running 
over 1GB of memory usage as time goes on, and varying CPU usage up to 
80-90+% sometimes.


If you kill FF and it's back to normal, then what's the confusion?
Whack-a-mole!

Try a different browser for awhile.  Those Quad G5's are _fast_!

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] OT OK you apple geeks

[Allan Streib]

Peter Frederick  writes:

> Ditch Flash player, it eats 95% of CPU time while idle.

Yeah I always have Flash (actually all plugins) and Java disabled in my
browsers.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] OT OK you apple geeks

[Brian Toscano]

I'm surprised all you folk who like to heat your home with your server
grade equipment just didn't buy and install Websense.


On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 8:52 PM, Fmiser  wrote:

> > > > Tim C  writes:
> > > >
> > > > About the only way I know to handle Facebook is Chrome, so
> > > > when it misbehaves at least you can close just the one tab.
>
> > > On May 23, 2012, at 8:42 PM, Allan Streib wrote:
> > >
> > > I handle facebook like this:
> > >
> > > $ grep facebook /etc/hosts
> > > 127.0.0.1  www.facebook.com
> > > 127.0.0.1  facebook.com
> > > 127.0.0.1  connect.facebook.net
> > > 127.0.0.1  facebook.net
> > > 127.0.0.1  ads.facebook.com
> > > 127.0.0.1  ads.ak.facebook.com
>
> > Dan Penoff wrote:
>
> > Nothing like adding your favorite sites to the hosts file
> > that's a simple workaround we used to do in the schools...
>
> Uhh.  He has them all pointed to 127.0.0.1 - or localhost.  In
> otherwords, a dead end.  None of those will ever load anything.
>
> I don't think that's what you did in the schools
>
> --  Philip
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Re: [MBZ] OT OK you apple geeks

[Brian Toscano]

Adobe products are mildly annoying as are some websites who rely on them.
 Just yesterday T-Mobile sent me an mail saying my bill was ready.  I had
to download and install a new version of Acrobat Reader just to look at the
bill and then I couldn't save it because of the way they created it.
 Normally on a Mac you can save as a PDF, or when you click Print, you can
Print to PDF.  However, this version of Acrobat expressly prohibits it.  I
complained to T-Mobile and am waiting their response.



On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 8:33 PM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> Interesting you say that.  About every week the Flash updater wants to
> update Flash, which of course means going through some various hoops to get
> the files, approve the update, typing in codes, then shutting down the
> browser and restarting it, and various other annoying activities.  Not sure
> how to kill Flash as it seems many sites require Flash to do various things.
>
> --R (who thought macs "just worked")
>
>
> On 5/23/12 10:09 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:
>
>> Ditch Flash player, it eats 95% of CPU time while idle.
>>
>> Safari isn't anything to get excited about, either.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT OK you apple geeks

[Fmiser]

> > > Tim C  writes:
> > > 
> > > About the only way I know to handle Facebook is Chrome, so
> > > when it misbehaves at least you can close just the one tab.

> > On May 23, 2012, at 8:42 PM, Allan Streib wrote:
> > 
> > I handle facebook like this:
> > 
> > $ grep facebook /etc/hosts
> > 127.0.0.1  www.facebook.com
> > 127.0.0.1  facebook.com
> > 127.0.0.1  connect.facebook.net
> > 127.0.0.1  facebook.net
> > 127.0.0.1  ads.facebook.com
> > 127.0.0.1  ads.ak.facebook.com

> Dan Penoff wrote:

> Nothing like adding your favorite sites to the hosts file
> that's a simple workaround we used to do in the schools...

Uhh.  He has them all pointed to 127.0.0.1 - or localhost.  In
otherwords, a dead end.  None of those will ever load anything.

I don't think that's what you did in the schools

--  Philip

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Re: [MBZ] OT OK you apple geeks

[Peter Frederick]

Google "flash blocker" -- I use it all the time, but I'm still  
running 10.4 here (10.5 if I need to, 10.6 on the MacBook).  It keeps  
Flash off unless you tell it to run, saves lots of CPU time.


Flash is probably the worst software out there at the moment, almost  
as bad as ATM.  Must be written in Basic, translated to C (NOT ++)  
via SQL Server running in Sanskrit, in real time.  Huge resource hog  
for displaying sound and really crappy video.


Naturally, it's the "industry Standard".

Peter

On May 23, 2012, at 9:33 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:

Interesting you say that.  About every week the Flash updater wants  
to update Flash, which of course means going through some various  
hoops to get the files, approve the update, typing in codes, then  
shutting down the browser and restarting it, and various other  
annoying activities.  Not sure how to kill Flash as it seems many  
sites require Flash to do various things.


--R (who thought macs "just worked")

On 5/23/12 10:09 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:

Ditch Flash player, it eats 95% of CPU time while idle.

Safari isn't anything to get excited about, either.

Peter




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Re: [MBZ] OT OK you apple geeks

[Rich Thomas]

Interesting you say that.  About every week the Flash updater wants to 
update Flash, which of course means going through some various hoops to 
get the files, approve the update, typing in codes, then shutting down 
the browser and restarting it, and various other annoying activities.  
Not sure how to kill Flash as it seems many sites require Flash to do 
various things.


--R (who thought macs "just worked")

On 5/23/12 10:09 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:

Ditch Flash player, it eats 95% of CPU time while idle.

Safari isn't anything to get excited about, either.

Peter




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Re: [MBZ] OT OK you apple geeks

[Craig]

On Wed, 23 May 2012 20:45:46 -0400 Dan Penoff  wrote:

> Nothing like adding your favorite sites to the hosts file that's a
> simple workaround we used to do in the schools...

Yes, indeed, but note the IPs he's assigned to them; a request for
facebook anything doesn't leave his box.


Craig

> On May 23, 2012, at 8:42 PM, Allan Streib wrote:
> 
> > Tim C  writes:
> > 
> >> About the only way I know to handle Facebook is Chrome, so when it
> >> misbehaves at least you can close just the one tab.
> > 
> > I handle facebook like this:
> > 
> > $ grep facebook /etc/hosts
> > 127.0.0.1  www.facebook.com
> > 127.0.0.1  facebook.com
> > 127.0.0.1  connect.facebook.net
> > 127.0.0.1  facebook.net
> > 127.0.0.1  ads.facebook.com
> > 127.0.0.1  ads.ak.facebook.com
> > 
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Re: [MBZ] OT OK you apple geeks

[clay monroe]

It is all the crap that makes OSX able to run windows.  Unix based OS, unlike 
winblows.


On May 23, 2012, at 5:39 PM, Tim C wrote:

> On May 23, 2012 8:30 PM, "Allan Streib"  wrote:
>> 
>> Tim C  writes:
>> 
>>> Blah blah blah Windows.
>> 
>> We're talking about an iMac though.
>> 
> 
> Which is why I thought it was funny that Clay was giving the Windows 98
> lines about regular rebooting and how you have to clean up things after
> you've been using them.  Not having to do those things are what folks used
> to say was the big benefit of MacOS!
> 
> Best,
> -Tim
> Has too many computers and not enough Mercedes :)
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Re: [MBZ] OT OK you apple geeks

[Peter Frederick]

Ditch Flash player, it eats 95% of CPU time while idle.

Safari isn't anything to get excited about, either.

Peter

On May 23, 2012, at 4:01 PM, Allan Streib wrote:


Firefox is a pig.  Any reason you are not just using Safari?

Rich Thomas  writes:

I have this iMac, it has 4GB of memory and 4 CPUs and 1 TB drive  
(half

empty) with a 2TB connected for backups.  The thing runs bog slow
sometimes with the spinning wheel, with Thunderbird, Firefox, maybe a
Preview doc or two, iTunes, and maybe an iChat and something else
running (and Finder, which always seems to run).

I get this idea that this is not how it should be.  I think it is
Firefox that is buggering it, as the system monitor shows FF running
over 1GB of memory usage as time goes on, and varying CPU usage up to
80-90+% sometimes.  Nothing else shows much memory or CPU usage  If I
close FF (and usually I have to do a force quit) and restart it,
reload my session, it seems to be fine for awhile.  Facebook seems to
be the app/page that hangs most, or maybe is causing the problem.  I
can't decide if FF is buggering things, or some pages that are  
open in

tabs in FF (and FB in particular).  This seems to have become more
prevalent with the latest versions of FF, I am wondering if they are
getting so bloated that they suck up resources way out of proportion
to what they should be.

I also hear the hard drive banging away when FF is running, but it is
not clear why or what it is doing.

Here is what memory usage looks like (with FF shut down)

Free 2.14GB
Wired 430.0 MB
Active 976MB
Inactive 497.2 MB
Used 1.86GB

CPU is showing
%User 0.75
%System 0.50
% Idle 97.38
 385 threads, 68 processes

I'll get some numbers after FF has run awhile

Any thoughts?

--R

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Re: [MBZ] OT OK you apple geeks

[Dan Penoff]

Nothing like adding your favorite sites to the hosts file that's a simple 
workaround we used to do in the schools...

Dan


On May 23, 2012, at 8:42 PM, Allan Streib wrote:

> Tim C  writes:
> 
>> About the only way I know to handle Facebook is Chrome, so when it
>> misbehaves at least you can close just the one tab.
> 
> I handle facebook like this:
> 
> $ grep facebook /etc/hosts
> 127.0.0.1  www.facebook.com
> 127.0.0.1  facebook.com
> 127.0.0.1  connect.facebook.net
> 127.0.0.1  facebook.net
> 127.0.0.1  ads.facebook.com
> 127.0.0.1  ads.ak.facebook.com
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT OK you apple geeks

[Allan Streib]

Tim C  writes:

> About the only way I know to handle Facebook is Chrome, so when it
> misbehaves at least you can close just the one tab.

I handle facebook like this:

$ grep facebook /etc/hosts
127.0.0.1  www.facebook.com
127.0.0.1  facebook.com
127.0.0.1  connect.facebook.net
127.0.0.1  facebook.net
127.0.0.1  ads.facebook.com
127.0.0.1  ads.ak.facebook.com

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Re: [MBZ] OT OK you apple geeks

[Tim C]

On May 23, 2012 8:30 PM, "Allan Streib"  wrote:
>
> Tim C  writes:
>
> > Blah blah blah Windows.
>
> We're talking about an iMac though.
>

Which is why I thought it was funny that Clay was giving the Windows 98
lines about regular rebooting and how you have to clean up things after
you've been using them.  Not having to do those things are what folks used
to say was the big benefit of MacOS!

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Re: [MBZ] OT OK you apple geeks

[Allan Streib]

Brian Toscano  writes:

> If that was the case they would always display pages the same, which they
> don't.

Well, WebKit itself is a moving target, and it's probably the case that
at any given time, the current Chrome and Safari are often built on
slightly different versions of WebKit.

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Re: [MBZ] OT OK you apple geeks

[Tim C]

On May 23, 2012 3:47 PM, "Rich Thomas" 
wrote:
> If I close FF (and usually I have to do a force quit) and restart it,
reload my session, it seems to be fine for awhile.  Facebook seems to be
the app/page that hangs most, or maybe is causing the problem.

Facebook has a lot of Javascript and other junk.  I get the feeling they
don't vet ads very well either.  Moral of the story, stay off Facebook. :)

Seriously, an application consuming lots of memory isn't a problem unless
you have other applications getting memory starved, or swapping.  On my old
lab computer I often had dozens of tabs open in both Opera and Firefox, and
as long as I didn't have Facebook up overnight they were perfectly stable
until XP did its bimonthly "no new windows" failure.  I don't see any
reason to believe OSX, or the OSX FF build, would be less reliable.

About the only way I know to handle Facebook is Chrome, so when it
misbehaves at least you can close just the one tab.  Still have CPU churn
and whatnot, but at least it's theoretically isolated to one process.

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Re: [MBZ] OT OK you apple geeks

[Allan Streib]

Tim C  writes:

> Blah blah blah Windows.

We're talking about an iMac though.

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Re: [MBZ] OT OK you apple geeks

[Brian Toscano]

Agreed.

On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Tim C  wrote:

> On May 23, 2012 5:58 PM, "clay monroe"  wrote:
> >
> > As time goes on, the processes build up and become more sticky.  Might be
> good to reboot every month or so.  Also good to do some system clean up of
> preferences and things with disk tools
>
> Blah blah blah Windows.
>
> Linux FTW! :)
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT OK you apple geeks

[Tim C]

On May 23, 2012 5:58 PM, "clay monroe"  wrote:
>
> As time goes on, the processes build up and become more sticky.  Might be
good to reboot every month or so.  Also good to do some system clean up of
preferences and things with disk tools

Blah blah blah Windows.

Linux FTW! :)

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Re: [MBZ] OT OK you apple geeks

[Brian Toscano]

If that was the case they would always display pages the same, which they
don't.



On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 5:22 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:

> Brian Toscano  writes:
>
> > I never use Firefox - I use Safari and if I run into problems I use
> Google
> > Chrome.
>
> Safari and Chrome are just a different UI over WebKit.  I would be
> surprised if there was a significant difference in processor/resouce
> utilization.
>
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT OK you apple geeks

[Allan Streib]

Brian Toscano  writes:

> I never use Firefox - I use Safari and if I run into problems I use Google
> Chrome.

Safari and Chrome are just a different UI over WebKit.  I would be
surprised if there was a significant difference in processor/resouce
utilization.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] OT OK you apple geeks

[clay monroe]

FB could be hogging system resources under FF.  How many additional do-dads 
have you got FF running?  The more plug ins, the more it will hog.  There are 
also bound to be things FB is hooking into and not letting go of when you log 
out.  As time goes on, the processes build up and become more sticky.  Might be 
good to reboot every month or so.  Also good to do some system clean up of 
preferences and things with disk tools

clay



On May 23, 2012, at 12:47 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:

> I have this iMac, it has 4GB of memory and 4 CPUs and 1 TB drive (half empty) 
> with a 2TB connected for backups.  The thing runs bog slow sometimes with the 
> spinning wheel, with Thunderbird, Firefox, maybe a Preview doc or two, 
> iTunes, and maybe an iChat and something else running (and Finder, which 
> always seems to run).
> 
> I get this idea that this is not how it should be.  I think it is Firefox 
> that is buggering it, as the system monitor shows FF running over 1GB of 
> memory usage as time goes on, and varying CPU usage up to 80-90+% sometimes.  
> Nothing else shows much memory or CPU usage  If I close FF (and usually I 
> have to do a force quit) and restart it, reload my session, it seems to be 
> fine for awhile.  Facebook seems to be the app/page that hangs most, or maybe 
> is causing the problem.  I can't decide if FF is buggering things, or some 
> pages that are open in tabs in FF (and FB in particular).  This seems to have 
> become more prevalent with the latest versions of FF, I am wondering if they 
> are getting so bloated that they suck up resources way out of proportion to 
> what they should be.
> 
> I also hear the hard drive banging away when FF is running, but it is not 
> clear why or what it is doing.
> 
> Here is what memory usage looks like (with FF shut down)
> 
> Free 2.14GB
> Wired 430.0 MB
> Active 976MB
> Inactive 497.2 MB
> Used 1.86GB
> 
> CPU is showing
> %User 0.75
> %System 0.50
> % Idle 97.38
> 385 threads, 68 processes
> 
> I'll get some numbers after FF has run awhile
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> --R
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Re: [MBZ] OT OK you apple geeks

[Brian Toscano]

I never use Firefox - I use Safari and if I run into problems I use Google
Chrome.

Apple's own Preview app is usually what bogs my system down.  When I hear
the fans speed up, I usually need to restart Preview.



On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Dave Cavner  wrote:

> Type  'top -u' (no quotes) in Terminal to view the processor hog(s).
>
> If you want to keep FF, keep add-ons to a bare minimum. Ditto the number
> of open tabs. Restarting the browser often/daily will keep the memory leaks
> in check. FFs ad blockers are fabulous when they work but make some sites
> appear to hang.
>
> Dave
> SoCal - '82 240D (3 pedal), '84 300TD (Euro), '85 300TD (Cali)
>
>
> On May 23, 2012, at 2:01 PM, Allan Streib wrote:
>
> > Firefox is a pig.  Any reason you are not just using Safari?
>
>
> >
> > Rich Thomas  writes:
> >
> >> I have this iMac, it has 4GB of memory and 4 CPUs and 1 TB drive (half
> >> empty) with a 2TB connected for backups.  The thing runs bog slow
> >> sometimes with the spinning wheel, with Thunderbird, Firefox, maybe a
> >> Preview doc or two, iTunes, and maybe an iChat and something else
> >> running (and Finder, which always seems to run).
> >>
> >> I get this idea that this is not how it should be.  I think it is
> >> Firefox that is buggering it, as the system monitor shows FF running
> >> over 1GB of memory usage as time goes on, and varying CPU usage up to
> >> 80-90+% sometimes.  Nothing else shows much memory or CPU usage  If I
> >> close FF (and usually I have to do a force quit) and restart it,
> >> reload my session, it seems to be fine for awhile.  Facebook seems to
> >> be the app/page that hangs most, or maybe is causing the problem.  I
> >> can't decide if FF is buggering things, or some pages that are open in
> >> tabs in FF (and FB in particular).  This seems to have become more
> >> prevalent with the latest versions of FF, I am wondering if they are
> >> getting so bloated that they suck up resources way out of proportion
> >> to what they should be.
> >>
> >> I also hear the hard drive banging away when FF is running, but it is
> >> not clear why or what it is doing.
> >>
> >> Here is what memory usage looks like (with FF shut down)
> >>
> >> Free 2.14GB
> >> Wired 430.0 MB
> >> Active 976MB
> >> Inactive 497.2 MB
> >> Used 1.86GB
> >>
> >> CPU is showing
> >> %User 0.75
> >> %System 0.50
> >> % Idle 97.38
> >> 385 threads, 68 processes
> >>
> >> I'll get some numbers after FF has run awhile
> >>
> >> Any thoughts?
> >>
> >> --R
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Re: [MBZ] OT OK you apple geeks

[Dave Cavner]

Type  'top -u' (no quotes) in Terminal to view the processor hog(s).

If you want to keep FF, keep add-ons to a bare minimum. Ditto the number of 
open tabs. Restarting the browser often/daily will keep the memory leaks in 
check. FFs ad blockers are fabulous when they work but make some sites appear 
to hang.

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On May 23, 2012, at 2:01 PM, Allan Streib wrote:

> Firefox is a pig.  Any reason you are not just using Safari?


> 
> Rich Thomas  writes:
> 
>> I have this iMac, it has 4GB of memory and 4 CPUs and 1 TB drive (half
>> empty) with a 2TB connected for backups.  The thing runs bog slow
>> sometimes with the spinning wheel, with Thunderbird, Firefox, maybe a
>> Preview doc or two, iTunes, and maybe an iChat and something else
>> running (and Finder, which always seems to run).
>> 
>> I get this idea that this is not how it should be.  I think it is
>> Firefox that is buggering it, as the system monitor shows FF running
>> over 1GB of memory usage as time goes on, and varying CPU usage up to
>> 80-90+% sometimes.  Nothing else shows much memory or CPU usage  If I
>> close FF (and usually I have to do a force quit) and restart it,
>> reload my session, it seems to be fine for awhile.  Facebook seems to
>> be the app/page that hangs most, or maybe is causing the problem.  I
>> can't decide if FF is buggering things, or some pages that are open in
>> tabs in FF (and FB in particular).  This seems to have become more
>> prevalent with the latest versions of FF, I am wondering if they are
>> getting so bloated that they suck up resources way out of proportion
>> to what they should be.
>> 
>> I also hear the hard drive banging away when FF is running, but it is
>> not clear why or what it is doing.
>> 
>> Here is what memory usage looks like (with FF shut down)
>> 
>> Free 2.14GB
>> Wired 430.0 MB
>> Active 976MB
>> Inactive 497.2 MB
>> Used 1.86GB
>> 
>> CPU is showing
>> %User 0.75
>> %System 0.50
>> % Idle 97.38
>> 385 threads, 68 processes
>> 
>> I'll get some numbers after FF has run awhile
>> 
>> Any thoughts?
>> 
>> --R

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Re: [MBZ] OT OK you apple geeks

[Allan Streib]

Firefox is a pig.  Any reason you are not just using Safari?

Rich Thomas  writes:

> I have this iMac, it has 4GB of memory and 4 CPUs and 1 TB drive (half
> empty) with a 2TB connected for backups.  The thing runs bog slow
> sometimes with the spinning wheel, with Thunderbird, Firefox, maybe a
> Preview doc or two, iTunes, and maybe an iChat and something else
> running (and Finder, which always seems to run).
>
> I get this idea that this is not how it should be.  I think it is
> Firefox that is buggering it, as the system monitor shows FF running
> over 1GB of memory usage as time goes on, and varying CPU usage up to
> 80-90+% sometimes.  Nothing else shows much memory or CPU usage  If I
> close FF (and usually I have to do a force quit) and restart it,
> reload my session, it seems to be fine for awhile.  Facebook seems to
> be the app/page that hangs most, or maybe is causing the problem.  I
> can't decide if FF is buggering things, or some pages that are open in
> tabs in FF (and FB in particular).  This seems to have become more
> prevalent with the latest versions of FF, I am wondering if they are
> getting so bloated that they suck up resources way out of proportion
> to what they should be.
>
> I also hear the hard drive banging away when FF is running, but it is
> not clear why or what it is doing.
>
> Here is what memory usage looks like (with FF shut down)
>
> Free 2.14GB
> Wired 430.0 MB
> Active 976MB
> Inactive 497.2 MB
> Used 1.86GB
>
> CPU is showing
> %User 0.75
> %System 0.50
> % Idle 97.38
>  385 threads, 68 processes
>
> I'll get some numbers after FF has run awhile
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> --R
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