Re: [newbie] Changing Permissions for Windows hd
Yeah i could have used that, I will next time i have to mess around with partitions. Anyway resized my NTFS windows partition and created a separate FAT32 partition, changed permissions fine and works fine. Thanks guys. Oh and you should know, I never pay for programs.. who does? From: robin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Changing Permissions for Windows hd Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:14:11 +0200 Charlie Mahan wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tuesday 16 December 2003 10:00 am, Martin Brandt wrote: Partition magic here i come... Why pay for Partition Magic? Have you heard of parted? It's available in an RPM package for Mandrake. It should be in the 9.2 directory on any mirror. Project information: http://www.gnu.org/software/parted/parted.html Or if you prefer to do things from the Windows end, there's fips, which is what I used to use before Linux installers came with their own partitioning tools. Sir Robin -- "Certitude is possible for those who only own one encyclopedia." - Robert Anton Wilson Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com _ Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Changing Permissions for Windows hd
Charlie Mahan wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tuesday 16 December 2003 10:00 am, Martin Brandt wrote: Partition magic here i come... Why pay for Partition Magic? Have you heard of parted? It's available in an RPM package for Mandrake. It should be in the 9.2 directory on any mirror. Project information: http://www.gnu.org/software/parted/parted.html Or if you prefer to do things from the Windows end, there's fips, which is what I used to use before Linux installers came with their own partitioning tools. Sir Robin -- "Certitude is possible for those who only own one encyclopedia." - Robert Anton Wilson Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Changing Permissions for Windows hd
Martin Brandt wrote: Hey, im trying to change the permissions for my windows partition so that i can write into it on a normal user. Atm i can't even write onto it via root, and it wont let me change the permissions on root either. Ive tried going onto the windows boot and sharing the Partition but it says its only for admins blah blah. I then tried to share a directory in it, but when i went back to the linux root there was not difference. What do i have to do? There are two ways to do this. One is by editing /etc/fstab, but it2s easier to do it through the Mandrake Control Center. Click Mount Points, then on DiskDrake and you'll see your partitions. Click on your Windows partition, then "Toggle to Expert Mode". This will produce a button labelled Options. Click on that and see what you have checked. Normally you shouldn't have anything checked - make sure in particular that noauto isn't checked, or if it is, that user and umask=0 are checked. Sir Robin -- "Certitude is possible for those who only own one encyclopedia." - Robert Anton Wilson Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Changing Permissions for Windows hd
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tuesday 16 December 2003 10:00 am, Martin Brandt wrote: > Partition magic here i come... Why pay for Partition Magic? Have you heard of parted? It's available in an RPM package for Mandrake. It should be in the 9.2 directory on any mirror. Project information: http://www.gnu.org/software/parted/parted.html Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User #244963 at http://counter.li.org Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 kernel 2.4.22-21.tmb.1mdk 11:13:50 up 1 day, 22:46, 1 user, load average: 0.03, 0.09, 0.10 Don't suspect your friends -- turn them in! -- "Brazil" -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/30ymZqvqlrLPr5YRAq14AJ4hRFu/dg5xv5Sx7y7TQMvYGBccXgCfYj/1 5+wCHvNAcY9p+U6V+4gEsrg= =rak6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Changing Permissions for Windows hd
On Tuesday 16 Dec 2003 5:01 pm, Lanman wrote: > 3) You can create and format this partition in Windows or > Linux, but the trick is to format it as FAT32. In > this partition you will store all you data - documents, > MP3's, etc., etc. You can even "re-map" your > "My Documents" folder on your Windows Desktop to this > drive, but do yourself a favor and create the folder > on this drive before you do the move. > The only thing I'd add is to remind you that fat32 has the cluster-size problem. Two 4GB partitions hold more than 1 8GB partition. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Changing Permissions for Windows hd
On Tuesday 16 Dec 2003 5:00 pm, Martin Brandt wrote: > Partition magic here i come... > I'm not slamming PM as such, it's just that mixing tools is not ideal. You should be able to do all you need from Mandrake Control Centre > Mount Points. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Changing Permissions for Windows hd
On Tuesday 16 Dec 2003 5:35 pm, Kaj Haulrich wrote: > On Tuesday 16 December 2003 16:25, Martin Brandt wrote: > > Damn it is NTFS. I'll just have to work out how to Detect my > > linux boot on the windows OS then, if thats possible, or else ill > > have to write a CDRW each time i want to transfer files... > > Nope, Martin. Not necessarily. There is a common denominator for > Windows and Linux. Both can read and write to FAT32 (vfat). > If you can create a smallish FAT32 partition, you are done. > > Don't know though, if Windows can "see" beyond any Linux > partitions, so if possible, create the FAT32 partition bettween > those > filesystems. > It's not a problem. I have /mnt/OldData (fat32 partition) on hdf6, after /mnt/Mandrake9_0 and /mnt/OldHome Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Changing Permissions for Windows hd
On Tue, 2003-12-16 at 12:25, Martin Brandt wrote: > Damn it is NTFS. I'll just have to work out how to Detect my linux boot on > the windows OS then, if thats possible, or else ill have to write a CDRW > each time i want to transfer files... If you have an ext2/ext3 partition you can access it from Windows using "explorer2fs". http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/explore2fs.htm HTH -- Adolfo A. Bello B. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Make your posts more effective. Learn how at http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/MandrakeMailingListEtiquette Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Changing Permissions for Windows hd
Martin; If you've got the time and patience, I'd like to suggest something that will solve most of your hard drive access problems. This is something that I have done time and again, and I've been damn glad I did because it saved me from a catastrophic loss of data several times, so I'll throw it into the mix here. Let me know if it works for you. The first thing to remember is that this will mean wiping your hard drive completely, so I'd like to suggest that you start burning CD's right away. Once you've saved all your important data to CD, you should be able to proceed without concern. On a typical system, with at least a 25 Gb hard drive, I typically split the hard drive into smaller partitions. If you follow this suggestion to the end, you should have everything you need with a minimum of wasted space, and access to all your data with a minimum of hassle. For example - A 25 Gb hard drive divided into 3 partitions 1) The first is approximately 8GB in size, and formatted for NTFS. Here, you'll re-install Windows. 2) The second partition is ALSO 8 GB in size - and here you'll install Linux. A typical install of Linux would be set up with a "/" ( root ) partition of about 6GB's - giving you lots of space for applications and assorted packages, with another partition equal to the amount of RAM you have in your system - not to worry because Mandrake will suggest the appropriate size during installation. Use the remainder of the 8Gb partition for "/home". Item #2 above is inclusive - that is all the partitions mentioned during this part of the re-installation are all contained in the second 8GB partition. Even though the "/home" patition looks small, don't worry. That's what the rest of the hard drive is for. 3) You can create and format this partition in Windows or Linux, but the trick is to format it as FAT32. In this partition you will store all you data - documents, MP3's, etc., etc. You can even "re-map" your "My Documents" folder on your Windows Desktop to this drive, but do yourself a favor and create the folder on this drive before you do the move. Some final notes - Is essence, you only need to leave enough space in Windows or Linux to install your programs. If you look at it this way, you don't need as much space in either because you won't be storing any data on "C:\" ( in Windows) or "/" (in Linux ). This means that you don't have to duplicate storage space on either partition. It also means that you can have one location for all your data, since Microsoft Office, OpenOffice , and Koffice will all allow you to use the exact same folder as the location of your documents. In a similar fashion, you should be able to re-map the location of emails, MP3's, etc., so that programs from either operating system can access and use the files. The added bonus is that if your Wiindows ever needs to be re-installed, or you accidentally blow away the /home partition in Linux, all your data will be safe as long as you don't touch that last partition. Since doing this, I haven't lost a thing in the way of important info, docs or media of any kind unless I made a silly mistake. It may sound complicated, but it really isn't. Just takes a bit of time. Once it's done you should be able to access your files from either O/S without having to install anything else, and you can leave your Windows partition alone and untouched while using Linux. One last note here. Don't bother creating or formatting the last partition until both Windows and Linux are fully installed. That way, you can do it quickly from either O/S at your convenience, and you don't have to do it until you're happy with the results of the installs. One other feature of this is that you can create separate folders on the third partition to store Linux and Windows downloads, so that if you ever need them again, they'll be right where you left them. You'll save time on having to re-download them again and again. Hope this helps. Lanman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Changing Permissions for Windows hd
On Tuesday 16 December 2003 11:25 am, Martin Brandt wrote: > Damn it is NTFS. I'll just have to work out how to Detect my linux boot on > the windows OS then, if thats possible, or else ill have to write a CDRW > each time i want to transfer files... Unless you have room on the disk. If so, you can create a FAT32 partition in Windows and you should be able to mount that in Linux and write to it. Most people who dual boot keep such a partition available for just such purposes. -- Bryan Phinney Software Test Engineer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Changing Permissions for Windows hd
On Tuesday 16 Dec 2003 4:20 pm, Bryan Phinney wrote: > On Tuesday 16 December 2003 10:59 am, Martin Brandt wrote: > > Hey, im trying to change the permissions for my windows partition > > so that i can write into it on a normal user. Atm i can't even > > write onto it via root, and it wont let me change the permissions > > on root either. Ive tried going onto the windows boot and sharing > > the Partition but it says its only for admins blah blah. I then > > tried to share a directory in it, but when i went back to the > > linux root there was not difference. What do i have to do? > > If it is an NTFS partition, it is mounted read-only because writing > to NTFS is still experimental in Linux. > > If it is FAT32, you need to set the umask=0 flag in /etc/fstab so > that users can write to it. Since you can't write to it as root, I > figure it is probably NTFS. It is not recommended to use Linux to > write to NTFS. To get round that, many of us have a fat32 partition, which can be shared by both OSs. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Changing Permissions for Windows hd
Partition magic here i come... From: Kaj Haulrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Changing Permissions for Windows hd Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:35:05 + On Tuesday 16 December 2003 16:25, Martin Brandt wrote: > Damn it is NTFS. I'll just have to work out how to Detect my > linux boot on the windows OS then, if thats possible, or else ill > have to write a CDRW each time i want to transfer files... > Nope, Martin. Not necessarily. There is a common denominator for Windows and Linux. Both can read and write to FAT32 (vfat). If you can create a smallish FAT32 partition, you are done. Don't know though, if Windows can "see" beyond any Linux partitions, so if possible, create the FAT32 partition bettween those filesystems. HTH Kaj Haulrich. -- ** Sent from a 100 % Microsoft-free computer ** Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com _ Express yourself with cool emoticons - download MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Changing Permissions for Windows hd
On Tuesday 16 December 2003 16:25, Martin Brandt wrote: > Damn it is NTFS. I'll just have to work out how to Detect my > linux boot on the windows OS then, if thats possible, or else ill > have to write a CDRW each time i want to transfer files... > Nope, Martin. Not necessarily. There is a common denominator for Windows and Linux. Both can read and write to FAT32 (vfat). If you can create a smallish FAT32 partition, you are done. Don't know though, if Windows can "see" beyond any Linux partitions, so if possible, create the FAT32 partition bettween those filesystems. HTH Kaj Haulrich. -- ** Sent from a 100 % Microsoft-free computer ** Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Changing Permissions for Windows hd
Damn it is NTFS. I'll just have to work out how to Detect my linux boot on the windows OS then, if thats possible, or else ill have to write a CDRW each time i want to transfer files... From: Bryan Phinney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Changing Permissions for Windows hd Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:20:56 -0500 On Tuesday 16 December 2003 10:59 am, Martin Brandt wrote: > Hey, im trying to change the permissions for my windows partition so that i > can write into it on a normal user. Atm i can't even write onto it via > root, and it wont let me change the permissions on root either. > Ive tried going onto the windows boot and sharing the Partition but it says > its only for admins blah blah. I then tried to share a directory in it, but > when i went back to the linux root there was not difference. > What do i have to do? If it is an NTFS partition, it is mounted read-only because writing to NTFS is still experimental in Linux. If it is FAT32, you need to set the umask=0 flag in /etc/fstab so that users can write to it. Since you can't write to it as root, I figure it is probably NTFS. It is not recommended to use Linux to write to NTFS. -- Bryan Phinney Software Test Engineer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com _ Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Changing Permissions for Windows hd
On Tuesday 16 December 2003 10:59 am, Martin Brandt wrote: > Hey, im trying to change the permissions for my windows partition so that i > can write into it on a normal user. Atm i can't even write onto it via > root, and it wont let me change the permissions on root either. > Ive tried going onto the windows boot and sharing the Partition but it says > its only for admins blah blah. I then tried to share a directory in it, but > when i went back to the linux root there was not difference. > What do i have to do? If it is an NTFS partition, it is mounted read-only because writing to NTFS is still experimental in Linux. If it is FAT32, you need to set the umask=0 flag in /etc/fstab so that users can write to it. Since you can't write to it as root, I figure it is probably NTFS. It is not recommended to use Linux to write to NTFS. -- Bryan Phinney Software Test Engineer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
