Re: Largest print with *istD

2004-09-24 Thread Paul Stenquist
I've made close to 100 12 x 18 prints from *istD RAW files. I am very 
satisfied with them. They appear to be sharper and more detailed than 
anything I've printed from 35mm film.
Paul Stenquist
On Sep 24, 2004, at 12:56 AM, William Robb wrote:

- Original Message -
From: Sung Nee
Subject: Largest print with *istD

Hello everybody
I just would like to know what is the largest print that you have
done with
your *istD and whether you were satisfied with it.
12x18 inches with a straight from the camera file.
It's a little bigger than I should have done that way.
William Robb




Z-1p with multicoated eyepiece at last...

2004-09-24 Thread Alan Chan
Am I crazy or not? g
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Pentax £100,000 giveaway. Not SPAM....

2004-09-24 Thread mike.wilson
Hi,
Pentax appears to be collecting data on purchasers with a hook of 
entering you for the cash prize draw.

Can anyone spot in the page a question that asks you precisiely what you 
bought?  You are given five generic options on the previous page.  This 
seems to alter only questions 7  9.

http://comserv.prodregister.com/pentax/tfe01.shtml
If not, what use is it for the purpose stated?
Your valuable input regarding this purchase helps us create the 
products you'll want in the future.

Baffled in the UK.
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Re: PAW(s) More Wake Boarding or Green Button Miracles

2004-09-24 Thread Paul Stenquist
I replaced one of these due to an idiotic comment that I didn't want 
Amy to see. (It wasn't from a list member.) They're now here:

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2724330
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2723517
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2723528
I'm sorry if anyone was inconvenienced or confused.
Paul
On Sep 23, 2004, at 10:39 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
I can't imagine how I'm able to make the *istD work with K lenses and 
the green buttom. It must be a miracle. Shot some more wake boarding 
tonight with my pal Amy. Here are three:
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2723505
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2723517
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2723528




Re: istDs - what a great camera!

2004-09-24 Thread Herb Chong
i didn't say it was linear anyway. tooling and assembly jigs can easily cost
a hundred times more, per unit, than the part to be inserted.

Herb
- Original Message - 
From: Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera!


 I've been in engineering for a long time, but I also spent some time
 working on a factory floor, on an assembly line and in electronics and
 photographic retail, (not to mention a bunch of higher education in
 economics).  I think I have a very good grasp of the subject.




Re: I have your viewfinder right here

2004-09-24 Thread Cotty
On 24/9/04, Dario Bonazza, discombobulated, unleashed:

Maybe Sylwek? ;-)

Dario


Could be Sylwek's fiance?



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RE: Pentax £100,000 giveaway. Not SPAM....

2004-09-24 Thread Malcolm Smith
mike.wilson wrote:

 Can anyone spot in the page a question that asks you 
 precisiely what you bought?  You are given five generic 
 options on the previous page.  This seems to alter only 
 questions 7  9.
 
 http://comserv.prodregister.com/pentax/tfe01.shtml

I note it goes into a secure screen when you register the product. Perhaps
it asks for a serial number there which will tell them all they need to know
about what and where?

Malcolm




Re: PAW: Out to Pasture

2004-09-24 Thread Mark Roberts
frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:41:08 +0100, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Now, how would you pronounce theriaultian?

More to the point, why would one want to?

To impress the chicks, man!

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Photography and writing
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Re: OT: Limeric (was Re: D*MNIT!!!!! A bargain hunter misses out.)

2004-09-24 Thread Mark Roberts
Ryan Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Strange you should mention! I've never watched red dwarf and a friend's
passed me a cd full of it and I'm tasked with watching it all.. He says
season 1 is terrible and might discourage me.. I have yet to brace myself
and hit play..

Oh season 1 isn't bad. But they really hit their stride when Kryten was
added to the crew!

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com



RE: how does image stabilisation work?

2004-09-24 Thread CRB

One problem with Canon IS that it must be turned off when the camera is on a tripod.  
Otherwise it create its own problems.  Vibration is actually introduced as it is 
predictive of motion!

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RE: Largest print with *istD

2004-09-24 Thread Tanya Mayer Photography

I regularly do 20x30s and I am constantly surprised at how great they come
out...
tan.

-Original Message-
From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, 24 September 2004 6:03 PM
To: pentax list
Subject: Re: Largest print with *istD


On 24/9/04, Sung Nee, discombobulated, unleashed:

Hello everybody

I just would like to know what is the largest print that you have done with
your *istD and whether you were satisfied with it.

Thank you all in advance.

I'm sure Paul will answer for himself if he sees this thread, but I do
believe he has some 30X20 inch prints




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Re: Z-1p with multicoated eyepiece at last...

2004-09-24 Thread mike.wilson
Hi,
Alan wrote:
Am I crazy or not? g
Not.  No grin.
Now, will you do mine? guesswhetherI'mgrinningornot
mike
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Re: Z-1p with multicoated eyepiece at last...

2004-09-24 Thread Fred
 Am I crazy or not? g

 http://www.pbase.com/wlachan/pentax_z1p_custom_eyepiece

No, but you're neck-and-neck with Cotty in the King of the Pentax
Tinkerers contest...

;-)

Fred




Re: Film is dead, no one will bring out a new 35mm film camera

2004-09-24 Thread Bill Owens
Lets hope it happens while there is still film out there to buy.
I am spending more time explaining digital to people than I ever did
explaining film.
William Robb

Same here.  I've found that showing some photos taken with the Optio S or 
Optio MX and printed on the Frontier 375 show the average consumer they 
NORMALLY don't need more than 3 megapixels for the usual 4x6 snapshot.

Bill 



Re: how does image stabilisation work?

2004-09-24 Thread Cotty
On 24/9/04, CRB, discombobulated, unleashed:


One problem with Canon IS that it must be turned off when the camera is
on a tripod.  Otherwise it create its own problems.  Vibration is
actually introduced as it is predictive of motion!

This is not true of all IS lenses.

Certain lenses have an awareness of tripod use and compensate
accordingly. IS can be turned on or off with a simple switch, and there
are several modes for different types of movement encountered during
photography.

This page explains more:

http://www.dlcphotography.net/TripodAndIS.htm




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Re: Z-1p with multicoated eyepiece at last...

2004-09-24 Thread Cotty
On 24/9/04, Fred, discombobulated, unleashed:

 Am I crazy or not? g

 http://www.pbase.com/wlachan/pentax_z1p_custom_eyepiece

No, but you're neck-and-neck with Cotty in the King of the Pentax
Tinkerers contest...

;-)

Fred

Hey Fred. Just converted a K15mm 3.5 to EOS mount. Details soon ;-)




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LEGO (was: PAW(s) More Wake Boarding or Green Button Miracles)

2004-09-24 Thread Amy Hughes
Graywolf wrote:
 I remember the lego projects. You put a lot of time into
 them. Are they perminent or do you tear them down after
 you have photographed them?

The small ones are torn apart after they've been to a couple train shows
or sci-fi conventions. The church is still in my living room, primarily
because I haven't gotten around to starting a new large project. It'll
be torn apart when I do.

Amy



Re: A random snapshot

2004-09-24 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Mr. OConnell:
I could give more serious consideration to your point of view if you 
could try to be a little less arrogant.

J. C. O'Connell wrote:
It must suck to be vision impaired, he 
states wide open right in the post.
I read it right the first time, you didn't.

His proof example only proves he doesn't
get it. His total lack of understanding is one thing
but for him to imply my comments were incorrect when
he doesn't even understand them let alone prove
them wrong isnt very impressive I must say.
 




Re: Largest print with *istD

2004-09-24 Thread Christian


Sung Nee wrote on 9/23/2004, 10:00 PM:

  Hello everybody
 
  I just would like to know what is the largest print that you have done
  with
  your *istD and whether you were satisfied with it.
 
  Thank you all in advance.

20x30 inches.  I'm really happy with the way it turned out.

-- 
Christian
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



'05 PUG themes

2004-09-24 Thread CRB

Have the themes for '05 been set yet?


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Re: PESO: West Side Market, Cleveland

2004-09-24 Thread Juan Buhler
Thank you guys.

That's probably the only shot I can call street photography that I
took in the last couple of weeks. I'm on my way back from my trip, in
Utah today.

j



On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:17:07 -0400, frank theriault
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 19:43:07 -0400, Juan Buhler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Attempting some SP with the istD...
 
  http://flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/520411/
 
  (istD, FA35/2)
 
 
 It rocks.
 
 cheers,
 frank
 
 --
 Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson
 
 



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Re: OT - An interesting fake?

2004-09-24 Thread Juan Buhler
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:19:58 -0400, Peter J. Alling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What could possibly be lower on the food chain than a FED?


Depends on how you see it. I find Feds (and Zorkis, Kievs, etc) to be
fascinating examples of how camera design will evolve without market
forces and competition as we know it shaping it.

Besides: Feds and Zorkis as copies of Leicas, but so were early Canons
and many cameras made in the west. Everybody was copying Leica in the
30's-50's. Nikon was copying Contax.

Interestingly, Kievs are not Contax copies, but Contax clones, made
with a lot of the same machinery used up until the war by Zeiss, which
was taken by the Soviets (with the blessings of the US and UK) as war
reparations.

And last, there are some very nice lenses on Leica screw mount. They
are cheap, and good examples are not hard to find.

j (tape on my camera, and a Russian lens...)

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http://www.jbuhler.com
blog at http://www.jbuhler.com/blog



Re: A random snapshot

2004-09-24 Thread Peter J. Alling
A double header at that...
John Forbes wrote:
Talking about interesting juxtapositions, look at the shape of the 
parking  meter.

John
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 21:59:12 -0400, frank theriault  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 14:07:01 -0600, William Robb 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:

This one was taken last night. The resteraunt we had supper at is a
few doors down from the local adult toy store, and this caught my eye
for some reason.
Technically, this shot should not have worked, judging from recent
discussion.
It was shot well afer dark with a K series lens (50mm f/1.4) using
the stop down metering method.
Handheld, wide open, I think for 1/100 second, sensitivity set to
400.
http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/paw/lovebike.jpg
Okay, now that I've made all sorts of cracks in other replies on this
thread, I gotta tell ya, Bill, I really like this one!!
Of course, as pointed out by others, and as you yourself obviously
know, the bike makes it!  Just such a juxtaposition between the sordid
shop and the (apparent) innocence of a bicycle.  Or is it so innocent?
 g
Great shot!!
cheers,
frank



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Re: Z-1p with multicoated eyepiece at last...

2004-09-24 Thread Peter J. Alling
You don't have to ask, we already knew...
Alan Chan wrote:
Am I crazy or not? g
http://www.pbase.com/wlachan/pentax_z1p_custom_eyepiece
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Re: istDs - what a great camera!

2004-09-24 Thread Peter J. Alling
That's right tooling and assembly jigs cost considerably more, if it's 
designed in from the beginning the additional cost
can be minuscule.  In this case it probably would have been. 

Herb Chong wrote:
i didn't say it was linear anyway. tooling and assembly jigs can easily cost
a hundred times more, per unit, than the part to be inserted.
Herb
- Original Message - 
From: Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera!

 

I've been in engineering for a long time, but I also spent some time
working on a factory floor, on an assembly line and in electronics and
photographic retail, (not to mention a bunch of higher education in
economics).  I think I have a very good grasp of the subject.
   


 


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and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke




Re: how does image stabilisation work?

2004-09-24 Thread Martin Trautmann
On 2004-09-23 17:14, Martin Trautmann wrote:
 But how does it actually work?
 
 - how many millimeters is the sensor shifted for stabilisation?

as a side note:

is it shifting horizontally and vertically only? Overlaying these two
movements you can move diagonal as well. But you can't compensate for
rotations.


Rotations are very typical at the moment you press the release button -
and thus rotate the camera clockwise.

Regards
Martin



Re: OT - An interesting fake?

2004-09-24 Thread pnstenquist
I have a FED that is nearly identical to my Leica iiif, and it seems to function 
almost as well. I think the shutter is a tiny bit noisier, but it may just be 
underlubricated. Other than that, it's a smooth operating, nicely made camera. The FED 
came with an Industar 50/3.5, which is a dead ringer for an Elmar. The lens is good 
but not great. I have the excellent Summicron 50/2 Collapsible on my Leica. One of 
these days I'll have to screw it onto the FED and shoot a roll just for grins.
Paul


 On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:19:58 -0400, Peter J. Alling
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  What could possibly be lower on the food chain than a FED?
 
 
 Depends on how you see it. I find Feds (and Zorkis, Kievs, etc) to be
 fascinating examples of how camera design will evolve without market
 forces and competition as we know it shaping it.
 
 Besides: Feds and Zorkis as copies of Leicas, but so were early Canons
 and many cameras made in the west. Everybody was copying Leica in the
 30's-50's. Nikon was copying Contax.
 
 Interestingly, Kievs are not Contax copies, but Contax clones, made
 with a lot of the same machinery used up until the war by Zeiss, which
 was taken by the Soviets (with the blessings of the US and UK) as war
 reparations.
 
 And last, there are some very nice lenses on Leica screw mount. They
 are cheap, and good examples are not hard to find.
 
 j (tape on my camera, and a Russian lens...)
 
 -- 
 Juan Buhler
 http://www.jbuhler.com
 blog at http://www.jbuhler.com/blog
 



Re: Buying Lens in Holland

2004-09-24 Thread The Diabolical Dr Z
FWIW, I live in Amsterdam and from experience I can say it's not the 
easiest place to buy new Pentax gear. Even the official Pentax 
specialist, a shop named Esser, generally has little in stock and sells at 
or near the importer's recommended retail price. For new gear, I concur 
with others who have recommended kamera-express.nl. There are a few nice 
second-hand places that you might want to visit though, most notably in the 
Haarlemmerstraat just west of Central Station. The city of Utrecht (less 
than half an hour from Amsterdam by car or train) has some excellent shops 
as well.

I don't know where you're located, but I'm under the impression photo gear 
tends to be a lot more expensive in Europe than in North America. Not just 
photo gear, FTM... when it comes to musical instruments, we usually pay 
around double the US prices (even when the instruments are manufactured here).

Zed


Re: OT - An interesting fake?

2004-09-24 Thread Shel Belinkoff
I've used some of these fakes ... much prefer to call them copies or
replicas ... as well as some Jupiter lenses,  They're OK ... the Jupiter
lenses are actually better than some of the older Leica glass.

Once again, we have seen negative comments from people who've probably not
used the items in question.  JCO Syndrome ... easily cured by exposure to
the questionable item or technique.

Shel

 I have a FED that is nearly identical to my Leica iiif,

 On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:19:58 -0400, Peter J. Alling
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  What could possibly be lower on the food chain than a FED?





4x5 experience - not Pentax WAS: Even more compatibility issues again!

2004-09-24 Thread John Bailey
JC,

What direction is the sail boat moving?  I tried
shooting a river boat on the Mississippi River
with my 4x5 several years ago and I believe it
was blurred at 1/30 sec.  I looked at some of my
4x5 transparancies (static poses) and just love
their detail!

John B

--- J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I can and do static as well, I didn't state the
 obvious.
 Thing is, other than extreme panoramics wider
 than the
 widest lenses available ( which the scope of
 this discussion
 has NOT been limited to), what types of high
 res photography can you
 possibly
 do with the small format pan and stitch
 technique that someone cant do
 with normal LF? 
 
 Regarding the seascapes,
 Exactly how are you going to do 16 to 25
 exposures of
 a large sail boat that is moving slowy the way
 I can
 with a single LF exposure at say 1/30 of a
 second total
 exposure? I say my theory is right and your
 practical
 application is pure B.S.   I can get a nice hi
 res LF shot, with
 pan and stitch you DON'T GET that type of shot
 at all.
 
 JCO
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: William Robb
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 7:47 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Even more compatibility issues
 again! (WAS: RE: istDs -
 what a great camera!)
 
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: J. C. O'Connell
 Subject: RE: Even more compatibility issues
 again! (WAS: RE: istDs -
 what a great camera!)
 
 
  What a load of BS. I just explained to you
 how I use LF
  to do seascapes with boats and why pan and
 stitch wont
  work and you tell me I have no experience?
 You memory
  isnt very good. I don't need to waste my time
 doing things
  I know wont work. I'd rather actually being
 doing things
  that do work. I don't need to buy a DSLR to
 know I cant
  do moving objects or fleeting subjects with
 the pan and stitch 
  technique.
 
 Well, if thats all you do with your view
 camera, I would dare say that
 you are severely limited in your picture
 taking. We've had similar
 discussions in the past about what will and
 what won't work, and have
 been on opposite sides of the fence, your
 theory saying no, that won't
 work, my practical experience saying yes it
 will.
 
 William Robb
 
 
 


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John Bailey `:^)



PESO: Aerial photograph

2004-09-24 Thread Jens Bladt
As some of you may remember I have promised to post a 6x6 photograph from my
helicopter in the beginning of this month.
This is the 6x6 phoptpgraph (here it's croped and compressed), which was
chosen to be used in the project for our 42 ha habour extention etc. (I am a
city planner/architect, working in this town, where I also live).

This was photographed with a Pentacon Six TTL and a Carl Zeiss Jena
Flektogon 4.0/50mm on Fuji Velvia 100F, which was  scanned to app. 29
Megapixel in the lab. Later cropped and compressed.
Comments are of course welcome.

http://gallery46369.fotopic.net/p7808781.html


All the best

Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: A random snapshot

2004-09-24 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: John Forbes
Subject: Re: A random snapshot


 Talking about interesting juxtapositions, look at the shape of the
parking
 meter.

I could have positioned that better.
b...




Re: A random snapshot

2004-09-24 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Daniel J. Matyola
Subject: Re: A random snapshot


 Mr. OConnell:

 I could give more serious consideration to your point of view if
you
 could try to be a little less arrogant.

Whee, I missed that one.
For the record, my initial metering was done several stops down, not
sure how many, the last picture I took was in daylight though, so I
expect f/8 or 11.
Also for the record, that picture wasn't meant to prove or disprove
anything. It's something that caught my eye, and I photographed it,
nothing more, nothing less.

That it happened while JC was shooting his mouth of (so to speak) was
purely coincidental.

The meter reading worked fine, and gave me an indicated shutter speed
that I felt was within the range that I would expect for the light
condition, but was too slow even for my steady hand, so I opened the
lens wide and got 1/100 second.

What this means to me is that in my shooting conditions, the stop
down metering of the istD is capable of satisfying my needs.

I had mentioned this in a previous post, but some arguementative soul
must not have managed to understand it.

Any technical consideration in photography requires compromise. I
believe the istD meter is good to around EV-1 or thereabouts, and
naturally, any metering done that falls below that light level is
going to result in either an exposure inaccuracy or a non responsive
meter.

This EV value represents a very dim subject, one which most likely
will be approached with a relatively wide aperture for pragmatic
reasons, if for nothing else.
Digital SLRs in general aren't really on their best behaviour for
extended exposure times, and my shooting strategy is to try to keep
exposure times faster than when noise reduction kicks in anyway.

In very dim conditions, it is, of course, possible to meter wide
open, stop down to the shooting aperture and then manually adjust the
shutter speed to compensate.
Not the most convenient, but it is not a shooting condition that is
likely to come up very often either.

This discussion also presumes that the only lens available for the
shot in a pre A lens.

So, if you are in a fairly dark situation, and need a small f/stop,
and don't have an appropriate A series or newer lens, then you might
have to do a bit of fiddling.
Thats a lot of ifs ands or buts before the photographer is
inconvenienced, and is not likely going to be a problem very often.

So, John, hows my grasp of the situation?

William Robb


 J. C. O'Connell wrote:

 It must suck to be vision impaired, he
 states wide open right in the post.
 I read it right the first time, you didn't.
 
 His proof example only proves he doesn't
 get it. His total lack of understanding is one thing
 but for him to imply my comments were incorrect when
 he doesn't even understand them let alone prove
 them wrong isnt very impressive I must say.
 
 







Re: how does image stabilisation work?

2004-09-24 Thread Gonz
They do that at the expense of image smear.  That would not be good for 
stills.

rg
Graywolf wrote:
Tell that to the video camera makers, they apparently don't know that.
--
Gonz wrote:
Do you mean electronically?  That would not work.  Image stabilization 
can only be done mechanically, either at the lens or on the 
film/sensor plane.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That seems unlikely, it would be far cheaper to just do it digitally.
--
Martin Trautmann wrote:
Hi all,
I just had a look at the Konica Maxxum 7D / Minolta Dynax 7D.
I'd wish Pentax would provide some kind of image stabilisation as these
models do.
But how does it actually work?
- how many millimeters is the sensor shifted for stabilisation?
- what's the typical mass of a sensor and the acceleration values
  of this stablilisation (e.g. compared to the stabilisation
  within the lens)
- how does it operate when you are already 'at the edge'?   Does it 
fail to work or is it always operation on a virtually
  centered object?

are all those systems working reasonably well, claming about 2-3 
aperture
values gain?

How much is the current price of this function - and is it something 
that
can be expected for every future camera to come after e.g. the two next
years?

Regards
Martin







Re: how does image stabilisation work?

2004-09-24 Thread Steve Desjardins
I read the article about the new Minolta in pop photo, but thinking back
now I am confused by something.  I don't have the magazine here to
check, but I swear they said they put a 500 mirror lens on the camera
and that the image stabilized through the viewfinder when they engaged
IS.  How could they see this?  If it's an SLR, they are looking through
the optics only, and the sensor is not involved with the viewfinder
image.  If IS is done by the sensor, how could they have seen any live
stabilization.  I may have missed the obvious here (wouldn't be the
first time) or maybe I'm remembering the article incorrectly.


Steven Desjardins
Department of Chemistry
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450
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Re: PESO: Aerial photograph

2004-09-24 Thread pnstenquist
Nice shot, Jens. Love that Velvia color.
Paul


 As some of you may remember I have promised to post a 6x6 photograph from my
 helicopter in the beginning of this month.
 This is the 6x6 phoptpgraph (here it's croped and compressed), which was
 chosen to be used in the project for our 42 ha habour extention etc. (I am a
 city planner/architect, working in this town, where I also live).
 
 This was photographed with a Pentacon Six TTL and a Carl Zeiss Jena
 Flektogon 4.0/50mm on Fuji Velvia 100F, which was  scanned to app. 29
 Megapixel in the lab. Later cropped and compressed.
 Comments are of course welcome.
 
 http://gallery46369.fotopic.net/p7808781.html
 
 
 All the best
 
 Jens Bladt
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
 
 
 



Re: 4x5 experience - not Pentax WAS: Even more compatibility issues again!

2004-09-24 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: John Bailey
Subject: 4x5 experience - not Pentax WAS: Even more compatibility
issues again!


 JC,

 What direction is the sail boat moving?  I tried
 shooting a river boat on the Mississippi River
 with my 4x5 several years ago and I believe it
 was blurred at 1/30 sec.  I looked at some of my
 4x5 transparancies (static poses) and just love
 their detail!

I had the brilliant idea one time of photographing a hot air balloon
launch with the view camera.
I think the thing lifted about 10 feet during the exposure.

William Robb




SV: PESO: Aerial photograph

2004-09-24 Thread Jens Bladt
Thanks Paul and Maris.
Luckily, I am paid to do stuff like this, so I'm very happy, you think it's
OK. It's a great pleasure for me to be able to do photgraphs and fly, at the
same time. Both are among my favorite activities!

Our cunsultants will blend the photgraph with a computer model (AutoCad) of
the project. We had exact directions as to where the helicopter was supposed
to hover (X,Y,Z coordinates) when shooting the photographs - even which
focal length to use (50mm - equal to app. 28mm on a 35mm format). Great fun!

Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Maris V. Lidaka Sr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 24. september 2004 18:19
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: Re: PESO: Aerial photograph


Gorgeous view!  Gorgeous photo of that view!

Congratulations on a job excellently done.

Maris

Jens Bladt wrote:
 As some of you may remember I have promised to post a 6x6 photograph
 from my helicopter in the beginning of this month.
 This is the 6x6 phoptpgraph (here it's croped and compressed), which
 was chosen to be used in the project for our 42 ha habour extention
 etc. (I am a city planner/architect, working in this town, where I
 also live).

 This was photographed with a Pentacon Six TTL and a Carl Zeiss Jena
 Flektogon 4.0/50mm on Fuji Velvia 100F, which was  scanned to app. 29
 Megapixel in the lab. Later cropped and compressed.
 Comments are of course welcome.

 http://gallery46369.fotopic.net/p7808781.html






Re: 4x5 experience - not Pentax WAS: Even more compatibility issues again!

2004-09-24 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: J. C. O'Connell
Subject: RE: 4x5 experience - not Pentax WAS: Even more compatibility
issues again!


 Try one in daylight. It is very possible
 to get much faster shutter speeds than
 you are suggesting. Guess you missed my post stating the
 fact that press photogs used LARGE FORMAT
 4x5 speed graphics for about 30 years
 for all sorts of photograhy including
 action. My speed grahic had a 1/1000 speed
 setting on it.

Balloons are mandated to fly under VFR. Balloons lift off remarkably
quickly.

William Robb




Re: A random snapshot

2004-09-24 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: J. C. O'Connell
Subject: RE: A random snapshot


 You still havent got it yet. Let me explain
 for the 4th time.


No John, I get it, you don't understand that for something that is
only going to affect my life once a decade, I am not going to pay
much heed to.
As a professional photographer, clients paid me to make things work,
not whine about how it's too hard, or too inconvenient.
This is something that photographers who only go out when conditions
are perfect doesn't get.

I didn't get your rational until last night, when I finally figured
out that if you can find one potential issue that may theoretically
cause a problem at some undefined point, however minor the issue or
however remote it is that this issue might actually cause some
inconvenience, the equipment is deemed to be crap, and cannot be
discussed with you.

Rest assured, I will keep this in mind in the future.

As an aside, I have earned my primary income off of one aspect of
photography or another for close to 3 decades now.
I have forgotten more than most people will ever know, you included.

Regards

William Robb




Re: First K mount non Pentax DSLR?

2004-09-24 Thread Peter J. Alling
It's been noticed before..
Andreas Wirtz wrote:
look at:
http://new.dpnow.com/691a.html
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Re: A random snapshot

2004-09-24 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
[sigh]
J. C. O'Connell wrote:
You still havent got it yet. Let me explain
for the 4th time.
 




Re: OT - An interesting fake?

2004-09-24 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Caveman
Subject: Re: OT - An interesting fake?




 Shel Belinkoff wrote:

  Theory may be fine, but
  practical experience is paramount.

 Cut the crap, Shel. This sounds sooo Rubensteinian. Theory comes
from
 practice too.

In theory, bumblebees cannot fly. Apparently, they have all the
aerodynamics of a Yugo.
Bumblebees don't give a damn about theory, they just know they have a
job to do, and that flower isn't getting any closer to the ground.

William Robb




Re: Z-1p with multicoated eyepiece at last...

2004-09-24 Thread Caveman
Seems like a good moment to repost the Cottycam photo:
http://www.pbase.com/ccanuck/image/33130041
Cotty wrote:
Hey Fred. Just converted a K15mm 3.5 to EOS mount. Details soon ;-)



Re: A random snapshot

2004-09-24 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Hear, hear!
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
Bill, why do you waste your time with JCO on this issue.  The friggin
thread's been going on for a week or so, nothing's going to get thru to
JCO.  He's busy talking theoretical hyperbole, you, Paul, and others are
talking about what's practical, realistic, and what works for you.  It
seems that you're having different conversations around the same subject. 
Until such time as JCO picks up the cameras in question, uses them as has
been described in a variety of situations, and determines for himself what
works and at what limits, the discussions (and the term is used loosely)
are just time wasters and mail box fillers.
 




Re: First K mount non Pentax DSLR?

2004-09-24 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
That's certainly a nice price, even if it's not a great dslr.
Andreas Wirtz wrote:
look at:
http://new.dpnow.com/691a.html
Andreas
 




Re: OT - An interesting fake?

2004-09-24 Thread Caveman
Which theory is that, Wheatfield ?
William Robb wrote:
In theory, bumblebees cannot fly. 



Re: OT - An interesting fake?

2004-09-24 Thread Peter J. Alling
mike wilson wrote:
Hi,
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
I don't see it as unfair at all.  See my most recent post.  I think 
JCO is
arguing on one level, others on a different level.  Theory may be 
fine, but
practical experience is paramount.

The nub of the matter, indeed.  But to me it went like this:
Larry: I've done this, with this technique
JCO: Nice but it wouldn't work with some of the things I use LF for.
Others who shall be nameless:  It works for Larry, it damn well should 
work for you.

The practical experience needs to be about the theory one is discussing.
Yet another shining example of the failings of email.  Which this is 
probably contributing to.  What a waste of electrons.
Don't you mean What a senseless waste of electrons, the horror, the 
horror).

mike


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During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke




Re: First K mount non Pentax DSLR?

2004-09-24 Thread Keith Whaley
You can put any price you want on an item that is an April Fool's joke...
keith
Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
That's certainly a nice price, even if it's not a great dslr.
Andreas Wirtz wrote:
look at:
http://new.dpnow.com/691a.html
Andreas



RE: A random snapshot

2004-09-24 Thread Jens Bladt
Very nice shot. In some cities, lik Amsterdam, the windows in the red light
district look like this. Except it would be real women displayed:
http://www.fotokritik.dk/visstort.html?pic=65027
All the best
Jens Bladt
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http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 23. september 2004 22:07
Til: Pentax Discuss
Emne: A random snapshot


This one was taken last night. The resteraunt we had supper at is a
few doors down from the local adult toy store, and this caught my eye
for some reason.
Technically, this shot should not have worked, judging from recent
discussion.
It was shot well afer dark with a K series lens (50mm f/1.4) using
the stop down metering method.
Handheld, wide open, I think for 1/100 second, sensitivity set to
400.

http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/paw/lovebike.jpg

William Robb






Re: OT - An interesting fake?

2004-09-24 Thread Peter J. Alling
Based on 19th century Victorian physics a honey bee cannot fly, it does 
anyway so the theory had to be re-evaluated.  We now build flying robots 
based on the new theory.  Wheatfield is just a bit behind.

Caveman wrote:
Which theory is that, Wheatfield ?
William Robb wrote:
In theory, bumblebees cannot fly. 



--
I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke




Friday: Donations Needed

2004-09-24 Thread Shel Belinkoff
This is my third week teaching at the Sixth Street Photography Workshop
(http://www.sixthstreetphoto.org) in San Francisco. It's a volunteer
position. I'm teaching a few basic photography classes and doing
some darkroom work for them, printing for an upcoming exhibition.


As with many non-profit groups, Sixth Street can use donations, and we
desperately need cameras, preferably old manual focus cameras like
Spotties, K1000, and ME Super bodies. The K1000 seems to be the preferred
body, the others are just as valuable. Brands other than Pentax are
useful, too, and other Pentax models are useful as well. We need whatever
we can get! Classes are getting up to full speed, and we still need a
few more cameras


So, if you've got some older bodies that you're not using, PLEASE consider
donating them to this worthy group. Contact me off list for more details.
The
donations are tax deductible. Please contact me off list if you've some
gear that you can donate.


Thanks for any help or consideration. And thanks to those who have already
made a contribution.  You have made some people VERY happy and have
contributed to the making of future photographers.


Shel




RE: A random snapshot

2004-09-24 Thread J. C. O'Connell
I can shoot totally manual too, even without a light
meter. What does that prove with regards to the subject?
Nothing. I was arguing open aperture TTL metering
is better than stop down TTL metering, not whether I 
absolutely depended on either...Its an OPTIONAL feature,
an inferior OPTIONAL feature compared to the open aperture
metering OPTIONAL feature. 
JCO
-Original Message-
From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 1:51 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: A random snapshot



- Original Message - 
From: J. C. O'Connell
Subject: RE: A random snapshot


 You still havent got it yet. Let me explain
 for the 4th time.


No John, I get it, you don't understand that for something that is only
going to affect my life once a decade, I am not going to pay much heed
to. As a professional photographer, clients paid me to make things work,
not whine about how it's too hard, or too inconvenient. This is
something that photographers who only go out when conditions are perfect
doesn't get.

I didn't get your rational until last night, when I finally figured out
that if you can find one potential issue that may theoretically cause a
problem at some undefined point, however minor the issue or however
remote it is that this issue might actually cause some inconvenience,
the equipment is deemed to be crap, and cannot be discussed with you.

Rest assured, I will keep this in mind in the future.

As an aside, I have earned my primary income off of one aspect of
photography or another for close to 3 decades now. I have forgotten more
than most people will ever know, you included.

Regards

William Robb




Lens Value

2004-09-24 Thread Don Herring
Greetings,
I'm coming out of lurk mode to inquire about a site or book where I could 
get an estimate on the current value of a lens?  Specifically a SMC A* 
200/F4 Macro ED (if anyone knows off the top of their head).

Any assistance would be appreciated.
Don


Re[2]: Minor Publication News

2004-09-24 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi!

ft When you're dull and boring like me, you try to make yourself seem
ft more interesting by hanging around interesting people.  g

Frank, it is not your choice to decide whether above is correct. You
might want to consult your lawyer friend for proper explanation g...

Excellent site and pictures, btw. You did a great job.

Boris
([EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED])



Re: Friday: Donations Needed

2004-09-24 Thread Keith Whaley
Added P.S. --
I have some 35mm film (36 exposure, Supra 400 Pro color neg.) that is 
slightly out of date, but good stuff. Has always been refrigerated.
I'd be happy to send 6 or 8 rolls of that along too.

Lemme know.
keith
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
This is my third week teaching at the Sixth Street Photography Workshop
(http://www.sixthstreetphoto.org) in San Francisco. It's a volunteer
position. I'm teaching a few basic photography classes and doing
some darkroom work for them, printing for an upcoming exhibition.
[...]


Re: Lens Value

2004-09-24 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Don Herring
Subject: Lens Value


 Greetings,

 I'm coming out of lurk mode to inquire about a site or book where I
could
 get an estimate on the current value of a lens?  Specifically a SMC
A*
 200/F4 Macro ED (if anyone knows off the top of their head).

Fifty bucks.
Send it to me, and I'll get a cheque in the mail as soon as it
arrives.

Seriously, either eBay or KEH.

William Robb




Re: Z-1p with multicoated eyepiece at last...

2004-09-24 Thread Graywolf
You are crazy, Alan. But that doesn't mean you are not smart. You have 
been complaining about that eyepiece for as long as I remember, now you 
have fixed it. Way to go.

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Re: Pentax £100,000 giveaway. Not SPAM....

2004-09-24 Thread Graywolf
Ah, that looks like one of those questionnaires that provide them with a 
valuable, sellable, mailing list. I would not give my bank some of that 
information.

--
mike.wilson wrote:
Hi,
Pentax appears to be collecting data on purchasers with a hook of 
entering you for the cash prize draw.

Can anyone spot in the page a question that asks you precisiely what you 
bought?  You are given five generic options on the previous page.  This 
seems to alter only questions 7  9.

http://comserv.prodregister.com/pentax/tfe01.shtml
If not, what use is it for the purpose stated?
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Re: First K mount non Pentax DSLR?

2004-09-24 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Yes, yes you can.
Keith Whaley wrote:
You can put any price you want on an item that is an April Fool's joke...
keith
Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
That's certainly a nice price, even if it's not a great dslr.




Re: OT - An interesting fake?

2004-09-24 Thread Graywolf
No, in theory bumblebees can fly fine. The engineers just did not 
understand some things that bumblebees did 50 years ago. Like the 
fuzziness broke up the laminar airflow and reduced drag exponentially.

You ought to check out those hoary old cliches before using them, we 
actually know a bit more now than they did when they were first used.

GRIN!
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- Original Message - 
From: Caveman
Subject: Re: OT - An interesting fake?


Shel Belinkoff wrote:

Theory may be fine, but
practical experience is paramount.
Cut the crap, Shel. This sounds sooo Rubensteinian. Theory comes
from
practice too.

In theory, bumblebees cannot fly. Apparently, they have all the
aerodynamics of a Yugo.
Bumblebees don't give a damn about theory, they just know they have a
job to do, and that flower isn't getting any closer to the ground.
William Robb

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Re: First K mount non Pentax DSLR?

2004-09-24 Thread Graywolf
It is a fake article. That is a Pentax 110 SLR in the photo.
--
Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
That's certainly a nice price, even if it's not a great dslr.
Andreas Wirtz wrote:
look at:
http://new.dpnow.com/691a.html
Andreas
 


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Re: 4x5 experience - not Pentax WAS: Even more compatibility issues again!

2004-09-24 Thread Graywolf
With this post I realized I should have been taking notes from this 
thread. What a great bunch of ideas for photos for my press camera 
website. Photos that would show both sides of this argument are nonsensical.

I think that no one is thinking here. It has just gotten to the point of 
I'm right you are wrong!

--
William Robb wrote:
- Original Message - 
From: John Bailey
Subject: 4x5 experience - not Pentax WAS: Even more compatibility
issues again!


JC,
What direction is the sail boat moving?  I tried
shooting a river boat on the Mississippi River
with my 4x5 several years ago and I believe it
was blurred at 1/30 sec.  I looked at some of my
4x5 transparancies (static poses) and just love
their detail!

I had the brilliant idea one time of photographing a hot air balloon
launch with the view camera.
I think the thing lifted about 10 feet during the exposure.
William Robb

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Re: 4x5 experience - not Pentax WAS: Even more compatibility issues

2004-09-24 Thread ernreed2
Graywolf said:
 With this post I realized I should have been taking notes from this 
 thread. 

You could always do that from the archives -- a rainy day project, perhaps?

 What a great bunch of ideas for photos for my press camera 
 website. Photos that would show both sides of this argument are nonsensical.
 
 I think that no one is thinking here. It has just gotten to the point of 
 I'm right you are wrong!

I agree with you. 
The only thing that continuing it will prove is which poster is most stubborn. 
I don't think we *really* need to know that.

ERN



The root of all evil...

2004-09-24 Thread Bob W
...and how to get some:

http://www.gettyartists.com/article.asp?article_id=720

Their main website is worth browsing: http://www.gettyimages.com

They also have a Central London gallery which I saw last week for the
first time. Some very interesting photos there - worth half a hour of
anybody's time.

-- 
Cheers,
 Bob



Re: Z-1p with multicoated eyepiece at last...

2004-09-24 Thread Alan Chan
I do wear glasses. The new glass eyepiece was made from the HOYA HMC SUPER 
UV filter.

Alan Chan
http://www.pbase.com/wlachan
Do you wear glasses?  What exactly is this mc
eyepiece.  I couldn't tell from your gallery
shots.
John B
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PESO: Annother panorama

2004-09-24 Thread Jens Bladt
Here's a photograph I took this morning, right after sunrise (7:30 AM).
I enjoy making panoramas for my employer/work. I shot these (25 shots) in
RAW format with the *ist D and my SMC M*4/300mm. Then converted them to
JPEG's in Phase One SE (trial version) and stitched them together in Foto
Vista 3.0. I like this nature reserve very much. It has been appointed an
international habitat for birds by the EU. The nature reserve is off limits
(for humans) from April 15th. to July 1st.

Thie original image file in 72 ppi was 7 meters long!!!
Sorry 'bout the overexposure/burned out high lights!
http://gallery46369.fotopic.net/p7816978.html

All the best

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RE: Lens Value

2004-09-24 Thread Alan Chan
I don't remember the exactly value, but if the body looks clean, it should 
go for at least USD800+. I have a new tripod adaptor for this lens btw, 
anyone wants it? Make me an offer.

Alan Chan
http://www.pbase.com/wlachan
I'm coming out of lurk mode to inquire about a site or book where I could 
get an estimate on the current value of a lens?  Specifically a SMC A* 
200/F4 Macro ED (if anyone knows off the top of their head).

Any assistance would be appreciated.
Don
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Re: The root of all evil...

2004-09-24 Thread Paul Stenquist
Working in the advertising biz, I've spent hundreds of hours searching 
Getty. Good stuff. it's the number one rip-off source for art director 
comps. Of course Getty knows that and they even help enable the ADs 
with relatively high res samples. But Getty is also the number one 
selling stock house, so they don't mind.. If the rip goes on a comp, it 
might eventually sell. That's smart business.  A lot of stock houses 
make their samples too low res for comps. That's dumb.
Paul
On Sep 24, 2004, at 4:48 PM, Bob W wrote:

...and how to get some:
http://www.gettyartists.com/article.asp?article_id=720
Their main website is worth browsing: http://www.gettyimages.com
They also have a Central London gallery which I saw last week for the
first time. Some very interesting photos there - worth half a hour of
anybody's time.
--
Cheers,
 Bob



*ist D's relative file size capability

2004-09-24 Thread Jack Davis
I'm curious about all things photographic including
digital. Since I own nine 35mm Pentax lenses, seems
logical to check out the *ist D. While several have
been playing with the phrase; *ist D..what a
wonderful camera, I've also noted the many serious
praises.
Please help me understand what I read under the (more
info) Specification tab on the BH site: 
10D: Raw+Large=8.0MB Fine. 
20D: Raw+jpeg(Large)=12.3MB.
*ist D: Large(Raw)=10.5MB (Tiff)=18.1MB
All note as excluding memory.
The only one which seems to track with its sensor is
the 10D.
Trick wording? Meaningful? ...anyone?
How does the *ist D's Dynamic Range compare?

Thanks,

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Re: lens value A*200/4 Macro

2004-09-24 Thread Rfsindg
Don,

I happily paid a list member $750 for one several years ago.  This is a really rare 
lens.  I've seen it go for over $1,000 (US) on ebay in recent months.  

I shot next month's (Oct'05) PUG contribution with it.

Regards,  Bob S.

From: Don Herring
Subject: Lens Value

Greetings,

I'm coming out of lurk mode to inquire about a site or book where I could get an 
estimate on the current value of a lens?  Specifically a SMC A* 200/F4 Macro ED (if 
anyone knows off the top of their head).

Any assistance would be appreciated.

Don



RE: Lens Value

2004-09-24 Thread Jim Colwell
I've seen two SMCP-A* ED Macro 200/4 sell on eBay, and have not yet seen a
listing for one at any of the online stores I watch, including BH, KEH,
Adorama and many others.  One of them sold on eBay in March 2003 and the
other in June 2004.  Their sale prices are recorded on page 6 of the June
update file for SPLOSdb: SPLOSdb-2004-06-30.pdf at www.jcolwell.ca

Jim
www.jcolwell.ca

P.S. I've also seen them occasionally on www.eBay.de and www.eBay.it, but I
don't track them for SPLOSdb.



Re: PAW: Out to Pasture

2004-09-24 Thread frank theriault
On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 07:05:58 -0400, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 To impress the chicks, man!
 

Well, it hasn't worked so far...

vbg

-theriault



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Re: PESO: Annother panorama

2004-09-24 Thread frank theriault
On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 23:08:50 +0200, Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Here's a photograph I took this morning, right after sunrise (7:30 AM).
 I enjoy making panoramas for my employer/work. I shot these (25 shots) in
 RAW format with the *ist D and my SMC M*4/300mm. Then converted them to
 JPEG's in Phase One SE (trial version) and stitched them together in Foto
 Vista 3.0. I like this nature reserve very much. It has been appointed an
 international habitat for birds by the EU. The nature reserve is off limits
 (for humans) from April 15th. to July 1st.
 
 Thie original image file in 72 ppi was 7 meters long!!!
 Sorry 'bout the overexposure/burned out high lights!
 http://gallery46369.fotopic.net/p7816978.html
 

Sadly, the pano is so small on my screen, I can't really get an proper
idea of how it looks.  There's simply no detail, other than some boats
and a shoreline in the background, and even then it's hard to see.

I'd love to see it properly printed and displayed, as I'm sure I'd
like it, but as is, I really don't feel comfortable commenting on it,
other than to say, I'm sure it would look good blown up.

cheers,
frank



-- 
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Re: how does image stabilisation work?

2004-09-24 Thread Nick Clark
I would have thought that a maximum sensor shift of 1-2mm would be sensible to give 
1-2 stops improvement. It's about 10% of the linear image dimension. Anything more 
than this wouldn't be compensating for camera shake, it would be used for earthquake 
stabilisation.

Nick

-Original Message-
From: Martin Trautmann[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
On 2004-09-23 18:45, Alin Flaider wrote:
 MT - how many millimeters is the sensor shifted for stabilisation?
 
   Anyway not more than 4 mm vertically (the gaps to full frame).

Giving it some short computation, the max. image circle of 43 mm would
permit ± 10 mm upwards, ± 8 mm sidewards. 

   



Re: A random snapshot

2004-09-24 Thread frank theriault
On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 08:45:52 +0100, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Is that the five minute relief, or the full half hour?

I paid for five minutes, but it didn't take nearly that long.  rimshot

-knarf

-- 
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Re: PESO: Annother panorama

2004-09-24 Thread Caveman
Click on the previous button and you'll get to the really good stuff 
;-) ;-) ;-)

frank theriault wrote:
http://gallery46369.fotopic.net/p7816978.html

Sadly, the pano is so small on my screen, I can't really get an proper
idea of how it looks.  



Re: '05 PUG themes

2004-09-24 Thread frank theriault
On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:54:17 -0400 (EDT), CRB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Have the themes for '05 been set yet?

Not that I've seen or heard.  

HEY, LET'S PLAY A GAME!!!

I think that we should get going with some suggestions.  That way
Adelheid will have something to work with (she'll only have to whittle
it down from about 150 suggestions to 12 themes).

Okay, I'll start.

We could do a Black and White gallery, 'cause we always do that once a year.

We could resurrect a Synchronicity gallery.  I know there've been
complaints in the past, but we didn't do it last year - we could try
it again, just to see what happens.  After all, unlike past years,
people can always enter a non-themed photo that month, so no one will
be left out in the cold as it were.

I know that a true macro gallery has been (rightly) nixed, as not
everyone has the equipment, but maybe we could have a Small gallery.
 Or, to narrow it down a bit, Smaller than a Breadbox.  That could
be fun...

Food.  I don't recall having a food gallery in the past.  Paul
Stenquist would win g, but I'd like to take a shot at making edible
things blurry g.

I kind of like the emotion themes we've had in the past.  One can
really go to town interpreting those babies, and it's interesting to
see how everyone puts that sort of thing into an image.  Something
like Happy, Sad, Joy, Surprise.  Not all of those, of course, but for
one month it would be a blast, IMHO.

How about old things.  We could call it Anachronisms or something. 
I'd send in a pic of my ex-wife (she better not see this) g.

I could go on, but I think I'll leave the real good ones for those
with imaginations.

cheers,
frank


-- 
Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson



Re: PESO: Annother panorama

2004-09-24 Thread frank theriault
On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 18:31:21 -0400, Caveman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Click on the previous button and you'll get to the really good stuff
 ;-) ;-) ;-)

Hey, now ~that's~ a great shot!!

Such vivid colours, great composition/framing, beautiful lady.  What's
not to like?  g

cheers,
frank


-- 
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Re: PESO: John Coyle

2004-09-24 Thread frank theriault
On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 02:39:47 +1000, Ryan Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Earlier this evening we had a super mini- BrisbanePDML, aka the Tanless
 Evening (Tanya didn't show up because.. well, Tanya you
 explain..).Nevertheless, more scrumptious (courtesy Jan Coyle, ta!) food for
 the 3 of us (Tan, you weren't missed! :P bleah.). So anyway, here's a shot
 of John Coyle:
 http://home.iprimus.com.au/heygoose/IMGP1264s.JPG
 
 ist D, F 50 1.4, 800, 1/10 handheld, flash WB, centre weighted, spot focus,
 sharpness 2, saturation 0, large jpg (don't you love exif info..)
 and given a resize to 25% in PSP, and also sharpened an incy bit.
 
 There's more to come, but Ryan needs his sleep!

A very nice portrait, Ryan.  You've made a pdml member look kind,
caring and gentle.  The things one can to with a dslr!  vbg

cheers,
frank



-- 
Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson



Re: Kelowna, British Columbia

2004-09-24 Thread frank theriault
On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 02:04:12 -0600, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi, If anyone on the list is living in, or near, Kelowna, BC, Canada,
 could you please contact me offlist at:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Thanks
 
 William Robb

Left something behind at a bar?

vbg

-frank


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Re: Another vacation picture

2004-09-24 Thread frank theriault
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 22:26:22 -0600, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 He's on leave.
 WW
 

After the harrowing journey back from Afghanistan on one of our leaky,
rat-infested troop carriers, he deserves a vacation...

cheers,
frank



-- 
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Re: istDs - what a great camera!

2004-09-24 Thread Herb Chong
the cost of the part would have been minimal, but the assembly line tooling
wouldn't have been. for a camera that has to cost Pentax at most $500 to
make, and probably under $400, a production run of well under 100K, on a
brand new line, when the company had lost money for 3 years in a row before,
it had to cut all costs possible. they had no intention of full support from
the beginning and the firmware update was a fortuitous coincidence of the
hardware design. new lenses going forth aren't going to have aperture rings
and everything A and forward works fully. they made a good business decision
to drop full support for pre A lenses. with the faster drop in price than
planned and significantly lower than forecast sales, the *istD could net
losing money anyway.

Herb...
- Original Message - 
From: Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera!


 That's right tooling and assembly jigs cost considerably more, if it's
 designed in from the beginning the additional cost
 can be minuscule.  In this case it probably would have been.




Re: '05 PUG themes

2004-09-24 Thread Paul Stenquist
Some good ideas here. I especially like the food gallery and the 
anachronisms. I'm not much of a food photographer, but I'm very fond of 
food :-).
Paul
On Sep 24, 2004, at 6:41 PM, frank theriault wrote:

On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:54:17 -0400 (EDT), CRB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
Have the themes for '05 been set yet?
Not that I've seen or heard.
HEY, LET'S PLAY A GAME!!!
I think that we should get going with some suggestions.  That way
Adelheid will have something to work with (she'll only have to whittle
it down from about 150 suggestions to 12 themes).
Okay, I'll start.
We could do a Black and White gallery, 'cause we always do that once a 
year.

We could resurrect a Synchronicity gallery.  I know there've been
complaints in the past, but we didn't do it last year - we could try
it again, just to see what happens.  After all, unlike past years,
people can always enter a non-themed photo that month, so no one will
be left out in the cold as it were.
I know that a true macro gallery has been (rightly) nixed, as not
everyone has the equipment, but maybe we could have a Small gallery.
 Or, to narrow it down a bit, Smaller than a Breadbox.  That could
be fun...
Food.  I don't recall having a food gallery in the past.  Paul
Stenquist would win g, but I'd like to take a shot at making edible
things blurry g.
I kind of like the emotion themes we've had in the past.  One can
really go to town interpreting those babies, and it's interesting to
see how everyone puts that sort of thing into an image.  Something
like Happy, Sad, Joy, Surprise.  Not all of those, of course, but for
one month it would be a blast, IMHO.
How about old things.  We could call it Anachronisms or something.
I'd send in a pic of my ex-wife (she better not see this) g.
I could go on, but I think I'll leave the real good ones for those
with imaginations.
cheers,
frank
--
Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson



Re: First K mount non Pentax DSLR?

2004-09-24 Thread Gianfranco Irlanda
Graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It is a fake article. That is a Pentax 110 SLR in the photo.
 
 --

Hi Tom,

The article is probably fake, but the camera is a Zenit KM, or
at least almost identical to that.
See: http://www.rugift.com/photocameras/zenit_cameras.htm
and http://www.rugift.com/photocameras/zenit_camera_km.htm

Ciao,

Gianfranco

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Re: PAW: Young Commies in Love

2004-09-24 Thread Keith Whaley

frank theriault wrote:
Even in the midst of mass protest, the call for popular revolt and the
demand for the overthrow of our government, love will find a way
vbg:
They sure need a shampoo!
I remember a long time ago, when a drinkin' buddy and I used to visit a 
couple of local pubs after work, and sit at the bar and discuss the 
women we saw.
Ahh, that one is pretty sharp lookin', but she sure needs a good bath...
Heh, heh... That was one of the more common comments.

keith
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2725774size=lg
Comments always encouraged.  Thanks.
cheers,
frank



Re: PESO: Santa's helpers

2004-09-24 Thread Caveman
It's them Bell Sympatico acting again, their web hosting servers are 
working with interruptions. I also get low transfer speed and extremely 
poor name server services (I have to try 3-4 times until a name resolves).
Can anyone recommend me some reliable DSL service provider in Montreal 
area ? I had quite enough of this.

frank theriault wrote:
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:13:35 -0400, Caveman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Fooling around with photoshop:
http://www3.sympatico.ca/vdonisa/Santa.html
For the yankees that don't believe in reindeers ;-)
 
Sadly, I don't seem to be able to connect to the image.  Is it just
me, or did you move/remove it?

cheers,
frank




For KEITH WHALEY (Re: Friday: Donations Needed)

2004-09-24 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Hi Keith 

My email to you keeps bouncing.  Seems I, or my ISP, are on your blocked
list.  So, here's my response to your public and private email.

=

Hi Keith ...
 
What details do you need? What must I do to persuade you to part with a
camera or two?
 
The workshop would like working cameras, ideally of the type described in
my original request, although we do have a legally blind fellow who could
use an autofocus camera.. Any lenses would be icing on the cake, so to
speak. If you've got something that you care to donate, send the item(s) to
me:
 
SHEL BELINKOFF
PO BOX 1489
EL CERRITO CA 94530-4489
 
The color film may be useful, bit only marginally so. But we'll take it ;-))
 
What more do you need?

IAC, Thanks so VERY much.
 
Shel 
 
 
 You said to contact you offline.
 Here I am.

 I have a few -- well, more than a few -- K-mount bodies, one or two of 
 which I might be persuaded to part with, for a good cause.

 More details, please!
 No doubt I'll have some questions... g
 


 [Original Message]
 From: Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 9/24/2004 12:43:28 PM
 Subject: Re: Friday: Donations Needed

 Added P.S. --

 I have some 35mm film (36 exposure, Supra 400 Pro color neg.) that is 
 slightly out of date, but good stuff. Has always been refrigerated.
 I'd be happy to send 6 or 8 rolls of that along too.

 Lemme know.

 keith

 Shel Belinkoff wrote:

  This is my third week teaching at the Sixth Street Photography Workshop
  (http://www.sixthstreetphoto.org) in San Francisco. It's a volunteer
  position. I'm teaching a few basic photography classes and doing
  some darkroom work for them, printing for an upcoming exhibition.

 [...]




Re: PAW: Young Commies in Love

2004-09-24 Thread frank theriault
On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 16:54:04 -0700, Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 They sure need a shampoo!
 

Apparently, hygene is a bourgeois concept, as well as sharpness.  LOL

-frank



-- 
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Re: PAW: Young Commies in Love

2004-09-24 Thread John Forbes
Nice pic.  Others (!) might have cropped it, but in fact the two faces  
either side frame it well and reinforce the feeling of being in a crowd.   
And I hate to use the F word, so I won't.  There's no need.

Can't argue with his taste either!
John

On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 19:36:24 -0400, frank theriault  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Even in the midst of mass protest, the call for popular revolt and the
demand for the overthrow of our government, love will find a way
vbg:
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2725774size=lg
Comments always encouraged.  Thanks.
cheers,
frank

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Re: PESO: Santa's helpers

2004-09-24 Thread frank theriault
On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 19:56:37 -0400, Caveman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It's them Bell Sympatico acting again, their web hosting servers are
 working with interruptions. I also get low transfer speed and extremely
 poor name server services (I have to try 3-4 times until a name resolves).
 Can anyone recommend me some reliable DSL service provider in Montreal
 area ? I had quite enough of this.
 

Can't recommend anything, but I'll try looking at your piccie later...

-frank



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Re: First K mount non Pentax DSLR?

2004-09-24 Thread Rob Studdert
On 24 Sep 2004 at 19:51, Caveman wrote:

 3 fps wouldn't be that bad, you go move a light then come back at the 
 camera and take a look etc question is can you do that without pressing 
 the shutter release and actually writing and filling up the memory card 
 ?

That's 3fps without demosaicing, I'm sure the frames could be written to buffer 
and then displayed but it would be pretty slow and unless you could set a zoom 
factor that would stick it would be worthless other than for framing and for an 
idea of exposure.

 I'm certain it could be useful with macro arrangements too.

Hmmm, that's what I use the optical VF for :-)


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: PESO: John Coyle

2004-09-24 Thread John Coyle
Frank, you don't know how hard Ryan had to work to get that impression!  It 
was near midnight and I was definitely feeling like a GOM (grumpy old man, 
for those who didn't work it out).
Tanja was sorely missed, but we'll be able to get together again next month, 
she tells me - and at least she had a very good reason for not showing up!

Here's a shot taken just before Ryan left...
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2725824
John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia
- Original Message - 
From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: PESO: John Coyle


On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 02:39:47 +1000, Ryan Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Earlier this evening we had a super mini- BrisbanePDML, aka the Tanless
Evening (Tanya didn't show up because.. well, Tanya you
explain..).Nevertheless, more scrumptious (courtesy Jan Coyle, ta!) food 
for
the 3 of us (Tan, you weren't missed! :P bleah.). So anyway, here's a 
shot
of John Coyle:
http://home.iprimus.com.au/heygoose/IMGP1264s.JPG

ist D, F 50 1.4, 800, 1/10 handheld, flash WB, centre weighted, spot 
focus,
sharpness 2, saturation 0, large jpg (don't you love exif info..)
and given a resize to 25% in PSP, and also sharpened an incy bit.

There's more to come, but Ryan needs his sleep!
A very nice portrait, Ryan.  You've made a pdml member look kind,
caring and gentle.  The things one can to with a dslr!  vbg
cheers,
frank

--
Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson




Re: First K mount non Pentax DSLR?

2004-09-24 Thread Peter J. Alling
That's what I thought when I first saw it, apparently Zenit copied the 
Pentax 110 look for a modern 35mm model.

Graywolf wrote:
It is a fake article. That is a Pentax 110 SLR in the photo.
--
Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
That's certainly a nice price, even if it's not a great dslr.
Andreas Wirtz wrote:
look at:
http://new.dpnow.com/691a.html
Andreas
 




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Re: Z-1p with multicoated eyepiece at last...

2004-09-24 Thread John Bailey
What was wrong with it?

JB
--- Graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You are crazy, Alan. But that doesn't mean you
 are not smart. You have 
 been complaining about that eyepiece for as
 long as I remember, now you 
 have fixed it. Way to go.
 
 --
 
 Alan Chan wrote:
  Am I crazy or not? g
  
 

http://www.pbase.com/wlachan/pentax_z1p_custom_eyepiece
  
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Re: *ist D's relative file size capability

2004-09-24 Thread Rob Studdert
On 24 Sep 2004 at 14:33, Jack Davis wrote:

 I'm curious about all things photographic including
 digital. Since I own nine 35mm Pentax lenses, seems
 logical to check out the *ist D. While several have
 been playing with the phrase; *ist D..what a
 wonderful camera, I've also noted the many serious
 praises.
 Please help me understand what I read under the (more
 info) Specification tab on the BH site: 
 10D: Raw+Large=8.0MB Fine. 
 20D: Raw+jpeg(Large)=12.3MB.
 *ist D: Large(Raw)=10.5MB (Tiff)=18.1MB
 All note as excluding memory.
 The only one which seems to track with its sensor is
 the 10D.
 Trick wording? Meaningful? ...anyone?

Hi Jack,

These file sizes are not really meaningful, beyond an indication of how many 
shots you can expect to cram onto your chosen storage media. 

RAW files in their most basic form consist of a transcription of the RAW values 
corresponding to each pixel in the array, some of these are image forming and 
some are not. Secondly the bit depth of the ADC may be 12 bits but the RAW data 
may be padded (with zeros) to provide a 2 byte word or 16 bits per pixel, 
obviously these extra 4 bits per pixel are redundant but it still increases the 
RAW file size. 

On top of this some RAW file formats are stored uncompressed, some are 
compressed, most also contain EXIF information which can vary between camera 
models and also some (like the *ist D RAW files) can include an embedded JPG 
file.

Most cameras offer similar capabilities WRT noise and exposure latitude and 
from my experience far more differences will be seen between the various post 
processing methods. Generally the in camera processing (TIFF  JPEG) output 
really is little indication of the information that can be extracted from most 
camera RAW files in post processing.

 How does the *ist D's Dynamic Range compare?

The capture latitude of the *ist D is very similar to most other cameras of the 
same age (better than most slide film but poorer than the most forgiving colour 
neg film) but you won't really get to see what it can do if you don't shoot RAW 
and use a good post processing tool like PS CS. The output differences between 
the Pentax Photolab program and PC CS RAW is startling, I didn't realize how 
bad the Pentax program was (and it was much better than the in camera generated 
files).

Cheers,


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



Re: Z-1p with multicoated eyepiece at last...

2004-09-24 Thread John Bailey
Alan,

So you actually got a Hoya SHMC uv filter and
modified it to fit?

JB

--- Alan Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I do wear glasses. The new glass eyepiece was
 made from the HOYA HMC SUPER 
 UV filter.
 
 Alan Chan
 http://www.pbase.com/wlachan
 
 Do you wear glasses?  What exactly is this mc
 eyepiece.  I couldn't tell from your gallery
 shots.
 



Re: PAW: Young Commies in Love

2004-09-24 Thread Joseph Tainter
Nice, Frank.
Joe


OT Flooded with 50mm macros?

2004-09-24 Thread Rob Studdert
Had anyone seen how many A50/2.8 macros have been flooding though eBay of late? 
I wonder why they have all come out of hiding of late? The imminent 
introduction of the FAD50 macro perhaps? 

In any case they seem to be going for a song, so if anyone wants a pointer to a 
serious lens that works really well on the *ist D (virtually at the resolution 
limit from f2.8 through to f16) now is the time it seems. And no I'm not 
selling mine :-)

Cheers,


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



Re: Z-1p with multicoated eyepiece at last...

2004-09-24 Thread Rob Studdert
On 24 Sep 2004 at 17:21, John Bailey wrote:

 What was wrong with it?

It was a lovely high quality piece of plastic that scratches very easily and 
needs to be cleaned often.


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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