Re: Pentax and HOYA merging

[K.Takeshita]

On 12/21/06 1:59 AM, "K.Takeshita", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Nikkei (Japanese equiv of WSJ) is reporting that Pentax and Hoya are merging,
> becoming a large concern of $5B, capable of producing glass material to camera
> and optical products.

Name of new company is Hoya pentax HD Corporation and scheduled to merge on
October 1, 2007.
Hoya issued a press release and while it says an equal partnering, actual
merge format is consulted by UBS Security and Morgan Stanley, taking a form
of Pentax consolidated into Hoya.
It also appears that medical-optics business of both companies was part of
the synergy they are aiming for.  I also noted that both companies share two
trust banks as majority shareholders.

Interesting optical conglomerate.

At least sky won't fall on Pentax and hope they will continue to produce
innovative camera/lens products.

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Re: Pentax and HOYA merging

[Thibouille]

Mmmm VERY interesting IMO

2006/12/21, K.Takeshita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Nikkei (Japanese equiv of WSJ) is reporting that Pentax and Hoya are
> merging, becoming a large concern of $5B, capable of producing glass
> material to camera and optical products.
> A big surprise.  No further detail yet.
>
> Ken
>
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Re: Official Full Frame Pentax Rumor (was Re: Dpreview's D200 jpeg overall conclusion: same problem different attitude?)

[Thibouille]

They won't do that except if they are really really obliged.
No SR with full frame and optical range (I mean lenses available) near zero.

2006/12/20, Mark Erickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote:
> > Actually my quite reliable sources told me that next
> > semi-pro body from Sony will have FF sensor and it will
> > be priced well below Canon 5D.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Sylwek
>
> All Pentax DSLRs so far have used Sony sensors.  Pentax had a full frame
> design (the mythical MZ-D) that they shelved due to problems with the
> sensor.   I thus conclude that Pentax will release a full-frame K1D that
> uses Sony FF sensor.  The camera will be released about 6 months after
> Sony's FF product hits the streets.
>
> Your mileage may vary.  Objects in mirror are closer than they appear.  Etc.
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Re: Pentax and HOYA merging

[K.Takeshita]

On 12/21/06 2:20 AM, "Michel Carrère-Gée", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Hoya isn't  Tokina brand, or Tokina isn't Hoya brand ?

Both Tokina and Kenko are under Hoya.
Hoya is becoming a true optical congromerate.

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Re: Pentax and HOYA merging

[Michel Carrère-Gée]

K.Takeshita a écrit :
> Nikkei (Japanese equiv of WSJ) is reporting that Pentax and Hoya are
> merging, becoming a large concern of $5B, capable of producing glass
> material to camera and optical products.
> A big surprise.  No further detail yet.
>   

Hoya isn't  Tokina brand, or Tokina isn't Hoya brand ?

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Pentax and HOYA merging

[K.Takeshita]

Nikkei (Japanese equiv of WSJ) is reporting that Pentax and Hoya are
merging, becoming a large concern of $5B, capable of producing glass
material to camera and optical products.
A big surprise.  No further detail yet.

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Re: Gourmands on PDML

[pdml]

Quoting Mark Erickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> I ate too much See's candy this week at work (I'm addicted to peanut brittle
> and one of my colleagues brought in two big boxes!
> 
> Anyone else have stories of culinary excess to report?

Yeah. I started about 2 hours ago.

We just had our yearly office Christmas wrap up lunch. 

1 Pint of Newcastle Brown Ale + Fish & chips + salad + 2 hours = Dave feeling 
like crap.

Cheers,

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Re: RAW File Conversion - Workflow Question

[Brian Walters]

Dave, Rob, Godfrey

Thanks for the advice - Raw Shooter seems to be the best of the converters that 
I have.  Seems to easily fit into a workflow with PS Elements.

I'm downloading the Lightroom Beta as I write...



Cheers

Brian

++
Brian Walters
Western Sydney Australia






Quoting Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Similar to what others have stated, but I add:
> 
> - get as much of the color/tonal adjustment right in the RAW  
> processor as possible
> (Not necessarily finished, but present as much data as possible for
>  
> Photoshop to process later.)
> 
> - set the cropping
> 
> - sharpen and do selective tonal editing in Photoshop
> 
> You might try Lightroom 4.1 beta as well, it's available free from
>http://labs.adobe.com
> It allows you to use the same set of controls for TIFF, JPEG, and
> RAW  
> conversion processing. Lightroom 4.1beta will read *ist D/DS/DL,
> etc  
> PEF files, any of them converted to DNG with DNG Converter, or K10D
>  
> DNG files. It can also output and read Photoshop files.
> 
> Godfrey
> 
> 
> On Dec 19, 2006, at 11:31 PM, Brian Walters wrote:
> 
> > OK - I admit to using JPG capture for most of my photography with
>  
> > the DS.  It's mainly an issue of limited hard disk space but I've
>  
> > started using RAW capture more often lately.
> >
> > I don't have Photoshop CS / ACR - my available tools are Raw  
> > Shooter Essentials 2006, Photoshop 6 and Photoshop Elements 1 (I 
> 
> > also have the Pentax software, of course as well as a few other
> Raw  
> > converters).
> >
> > Just wondering how others approach the RAW conversion/image  
> > processing workflow. Is it best to, say, just adjust white
> balance  
> > in the RAW converter and do the rest in Photoshop or is it more 
> 
> > efficient to make full use of the range of tools in the converter
>  
> > (which seem to be fairly extensive in Raw Shooter).
> 
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Re: Please everyone set up an email filter

[David Mann]

On Dec 21, 2006, at 2:38 AM, frank theriault wrote:


> On 12/20/06, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Franks a hard man. He rides a bicycle with no gears, no brakes,  
>> and no seat  !
>
> I have a seat.

Then it's time to take up trials riding.

http://webcyclery.com/product.php?productid=17634

Unfortunately I can't even do a decent track-stand :(

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Re: The cause of the controversy

[David Mann]

On Dec 20, 2006, at 10:56 PM, Cotty wrote:

> On 19/12/06, graywolf, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>> http://www.graywolfphoto.com/digital/TV.html
>
> The picture's terrible! That looks like a National Geographic
> documentary about some guy shooting living rooms, but the contrast  
> is so
> bad on the screen it's difficult to tell. I reckon you need a new TV
> Graywolf. Apparently the HDTV system is much better anf comes highly
> recommended, and if you don't agree you're WRONG WRONG WRONG!

I thought it was one of those naked-reflection things that people  
were doing on eBay.

- Dave


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Re: Peso: Tompkins Square Park

[Paul Sorenson]

Cool effect- evokes an eerie, turn-of-the-century feeling.

-P

ann sanfedele wrote:
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5358414
> 
> 
> I thought I would see what would happen if I shot in color with and 
> orange filter and then
> converted to BW -  but the conversion didn't look too good and I liked 
> the orange so I left it alone.
> 
> shot in raw, converted to tif with no adjustments, cropped a teesy bit 
> (a la Mark Roberts's idea)
> slapped on a border - thats it.
> 
> I felt virtuous because I shot something with my LX for the PUG and 
> loaded it already.
> 
> ann
> 
> 
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Re: Peso: Tompkins Square Park

[SJ]

On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 22:52:32 -0500
ann sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5358414

hi ann, 

has a nice gothic feel to it. 

regards, subash

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Re: OT someone, somewhere......

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!

> .. is 40 today.
> 
> Happy birthday to them, wherever they are...

With little risk to be mistaken I should wholeheartedly join Mike in 
greeting this mysterious someone who is living somewhere...

Boris


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Re: Peso: Tompkins Square Park

[ann sanfedele]

Thanks , Paul (another night owl I see!)
and Bruce

It was more interesting to me than the straight shot I took.  

The church in the photo is in danger of being torn down and it is 
historic and beautiful.
The way I shot   masks the scafolding around it.

Bruce - again,  when I hit reply to the post you sent it truncated my 
original email -
perhaps there is some setting in your particular mail server that is 
causing that?

anyway, glad you guys liked the shot --  except for a couple of shots 
with the LX I havent
been shooting much for myself .  

ann


Paul Stenquist wrote:

>Nice pic, Ann. It looks like an intense sunset. I like it in orange.
>Paul
>On Dec 20, 2006, at 10:52 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:
>
>  
>
>>http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5358414
>>
>>
>>I thought I would see what would happen if I shot in color with and
>>orange filter and then
>>converted to BW -  but the conversion didn't look too good and I liked
>>the orange so I left it alone.
>>
>>shot in raw, converted to tif with no adjustments, cropped a teesy bit
>>(a la Mark Roberts's idea)
>>slapped on a border - thats it.
>>
>>I felt virtuous because I shot something with my LX for the PUG and
>>loaded it already.
>>
>>ann
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Re: Rechargable CR-V3 batteries for *ist-D

[Paul Stenquist]

My experience with the D is very similar to Godder's DS use.
Paul
On Dec 20, 2006, at 10:36 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

> Dunno about the *ist D.
>
> My battery performance records in the *ist DS ...
>
> 2400mAh Power2000 NiMH AAs: 600-700 exposures per charge, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> with charger, $15 per battery set.
> Everready AA Lithium E2 disposables: 1100 exposures per charge, ~$8
> per set
> Everready CRV3 Lithium disposables: 1200-1300 exposures per charge, ~
> $10 per set
>
> I have not tried the Eneloop CRV3s.
> I use the NiMH AAs for day to day shooting with the DS and carry AA
> Lithium disposables when traveling.
>
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Re: PESO - Contemplating Cheese

[Kenneth Waller]

One of the cable news shows reported snow in an L A suburb today !

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message - 
From: "Paul Stenquist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: PESO - Contemplating Cheese


> Har! Same as Detroit. High was 48 today. Low tonight will be 34. High  
> tomorrow in the mid fifties. My lawn is still green. Of course you  
> won't get -20 in January. Hopefully, we won't either.
> Paul
> On Dec 20, 2006, at 4:36 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> 
>>
>> On Dec 20, 2006, at 12:42 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
>>
>>> ... and the hat and coat in Sunny California? ...
>>
>> It's been in the middle 30F to 40F in Sunnyvale the past couple of
>> nights, and chilly (45-50F) during the days.
>>
>> Godfrey
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Re: Peso: Tompkins Square Park

[Bruce Dayton]

I agree.  It is a pretty cool shot.  The orange looks good the way it
is.  It has a very eery feel to it.  Nice shot.

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Wednesday, December 20, 2006, 7:52:32 PM, you wrote:

as> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5358414


as> I thought I would see what would happen if I shot in color with and
as> orange filter and then
as> converted to BW -  but the conversion didn't look too good and I liked
as> the orange so I left it alone.

as> shot in raw, converted to tif with no adjustments, cropped a teesy bit
as> (a la Mark Roberts's idea)
as> slapped on a border - thats it.

as> I felt virtuous because I shot something with my LX for the PUG and
as> loaded it already.

as> ann






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Re: Peso: Tompkins Square Park

[Paul Stenquist]

Nice pic, Ann. It looks like an intense sunset. I like it in orange.
Paul
On Dec 20, 2006, at 10:52 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:

> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5358414
>
>
> I thought I would see what would happen if I shot in color with and
> orange filter and then
> converted to BW -  but the conversion didn't look too good and I liked
> the orange so I left it alone.
>
> shot in raw, converted to tif with no adjustments, cropped a teesy bit
> (a la Mark Roberts's idea)
> slapped on a border - thats it.
>
> I felt virtuous because I shot something with my LX for the PUG and
> loaded it already.
>
> ann
>
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Re: My greatest christmas present

["Kristian-H. Schüssler"]

"Ralf R. Radermacher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
> Lalalalaaa... :-)
> 
> I've offered myself the greatest christmas present ever: no christmas
> this year!
> 
> No bickering from the monster-in-law. No hours of preparation and
> cooking to do. No mess in the kitchen. No heaps of dirty dishes.
> 
> This is what I'll be looking at, this christmas eve:
> 
> http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/mypics/770012/display/5772748 
> 
> Isn't life wonderful. 
> 
> Happy holidays to all of you.
> 
> Ralf


Hallo Ralf,
   Dir und allen anderen Mitgliedern unserer newsgroup
wünsche
ich einen guten Rutsch ins Neue Jahr, das uns allen viel Freude, vor
allem
aber Gesundheit und und viele Erfolge bringen möge.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all !

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Re: Dpreview's D200 jpeg overall conclusion: same problem different

[Paul Stenquist]

It doesn't seem likely that FF would work with the current mount and  
in-camera image stabilization. What's more, I can't see another range  
of DSLR range lenses coming in the same mount. Those will be in 645.  
FF for pentax is simply an illusion.
Paul
On Dec 20, 2006, at 10:13 PM, Digital Image Studio wrote:

> On 21/12/06, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Well, they're building a following. the K10 is the top selling DSLR
>> in Japan right now, and I suspect it's doing quite well elsewhere as
>> well. I don't think they're going to abandon all those users. Because
>> if they do go FF, they almost have to change the lens mount. Forget
>> those a15 units. The'll be history. But it aint gonna happen. Pentax
>> will be an APS-c camera in anything smaller than 645. Of course I
>> plan on owning the 645. I'll use my 6x7 lenses at first. Probably
>> migrate to new glass later. That would be when they introduce the
>> DA645* lenses.I'm guessing that will happen at about this time next
>> hear. Mark that as a prediction.Paul
>
> Paul, where did you read that the lens mount would have to be changed?
> I fully expect that there would be no need to do so to accommodate
> either FF (just for Godders) or 1.3x cropped sensors.
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Re: PESO; A smoke on the sidewalk

[Jack Davis]

Pensive moment well caught.
IMHO, 1600 ISO worked very well with this rendering.

Jack
--- Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> K10D, DA 50-200 at 200mm. I set my K10D at f6.3, 1/200th. Put the 
> camera in TAV mode and let it select the sensitivity. This shot came
> in 
> at ISO 1600. Converted to BW in the channel mixture. I like this 
> shooting mode. Would not have wanted to think about ISO when I pulled
> 
> the trigger on this. But knew what kind of shutter speed and aperture
> I 
> wanted. Just an average shot of someone on the street, but a good 
> experiment in regard to how I want to work with this camera in these 
> kinds of situations.
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5358043
> 
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RE: poll: chime in if....

[Markus Maurer]

Thanks Ralf.
frohe Festtage und ein glückliches neues Jahr wünscht Dir
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Markus Maurer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> is Agfa the best ISO 100 film for your night shots or do you use different
> brands?

The Optima 100 I've bought is mostly for daylight work.

I normally use ISO 400 for the night stuff to keep exposure durations
with the Noblex  (i.e  camera running times, approx. 10 times the actual
exposure) down to a max. of two hours at f8 or 30 minutes with the 617
at f22.

The Optima 100 and 400 cope astonishingly well with mixed light
situations. Recently, the usual combination of fluorescent and sodium
vapour has been made even more complicated by the advent of xenon
lighting and the Optima is the least problematic film to scan if all
three varieties are present, even better than Portra.

I also like the Agfa colours for normal daylight work.

Besides, it is available dirt cheap, here. About 1,40 for Optima 100 and
1,00 for Optima 400 if its bought in batches of 100 films.

Other than that I use Portra 160 and 400 when I can get hold of it on
ebay.

My experiences with Fuji (NPS/NPH) have been far from satisfactory in
night photography. Far more halation probs than with Agfa or Kodak.

> Is there any color negative film slower than ISO100 available in Germany?

None that I know of but no prob for me. With 612 and 617, grain just
isn't a major concern.

Ralf

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Re: Continous Single Frame

[Jack Davis]

That reminds me of an email I saw recently where the person had a
series of butt images made on a keyboard.
For example: A hole=(_o_), kiss my=(_*_), dumb A=(_?_), fat
A=(__l__)..etc.
I'm NOT asking you to make a choice here..honest! {:-))

Night,

Jack
--- Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The practical approach would be to consult a proctologist.  Relax
> Pentax 
> makes endoscopes.
> 
> 
> 
> Tom C.
> 
> 
> >From: Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> >Subject: Re: Continous Single Frame
> >Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 19:27:32 -0500
> >
> >Having it rectified will be a pain in the ass.
> >Paul
> >On Dec 20, 2006, at 6:32 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
> >
> > > If you "lose" the camera won't it be difficult to verify the
> problem
> > > and
> > > have it rectified?
> > >
> > > skye wrote:
> > >> On 12/20/06, Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hi!
> > >>>
> > >>>
> >  On a couple of occasions, when the K10D shutter is released in
> >  (verified) single frame mode, it might fire two or three
> times.
> >  Sounds
> >  much like the continuous rate. This AM it was three times, but
> only
> >  with the first release.
> >  Anyone else had this happen?
> >  The up side is, I'm not wasting film.
> > 
> > >>> Jack, with passage of time, roughly a year after I got it, my
> *istD
> > >>> developed a strange habit. It would fire twice (and very rarely
> > >>> thrice)
> > >>> although it was in single frame mode. I doubt that my trigger
> finger
> > >>> is
> > >>> that shaky or that (trigger) happy. Although this thing does
> not
> > >>> bother
> > >>> me to the slightest - at worst I have to delete some files. But
> I do
> > >>> chimp.
> > >>>
> > >>> HTH.
> > >>>
> > >>> Boris
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> This has happened to me too. The problem developed after I got
> it back
> > >> from the last cleaning. I don't have time to lose the camera for
> any
> > >> amount of time, so I just put up with it.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
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Re: My holiday greeting

[ann sanfedele]

Bob Shell wrote:

>On Dec 20, 2006, at 5:30 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Compressed music file.
>>
>>ann sanfedele wrote:
>>
>>
>>>alas, I don't  have speakers
>>>what is an mp3?
>>>
>>>ann
>>>  
>>>
>
>Oddly, I got your response to Ann, but I never got her original post.
>
>Got headphones Ann?  Earbuds?
>
>Bob
>  
>
say what?

actually I have a tiny little radio that has headphones
for traveling  and a single earbud thing for my cell phone that
I keep losing.  

I have a phonograph  and actually have a thing that plays CD's /tapes 
and has
a radio too.  

something I've been meaning to ask you electronics types -
is there a gadget you can attach to your tv to regulate the sound so that
no matter how loud or soft the actual broadcast is you can keep it at 
the same
decible level?  

I like to fall asleep with the TV on  but even when I'm not planning on 
going to sleep
and I'm watching something late at night in the bedroom, a sudden surge of
comemrcial volume could get my neighbors in a snit, not to mention 
suddenly jarring me awake.

If there is not something like that in existence, someone should make it.  

sudden loudness is very stressful for me, and I think many of us who are 
getting on in
years and have slight hearing problems.  

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Re: Dpreview's D200 jpeg overall conclusion: same problem different

[P. J. Alling]

Har.

Tom C wrote:
> Well let's just speculate that Pentax does produce a FF body.  That does not 
> necessarily mean that APS size lenses go down the tubes does it?  The camera 
> could sense or one could set a switch indicating that a smaller format lens 
> is being used, and the resulting raw or .jpg file would not show any 
> vignetting.
>
>
>
> Tom C.
>
>
>   
>> From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>> Subject: Re: Dpreview's D200 jpeg overall conclusion: same problem 
>> different
>> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 18:37:32 -0500
>>
>> Who says that Pentax can't have two different format "miniature" format
>> DSLRs, or you'll just have to suck it up and eventually replace all
>> those DA lenses while the APS sensor DSLR are phased out.  Pentax gets
>> more profits from lens sales and can stay in business and create more
>> new products.
>>
>> Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm still not buying it. Too many DA lenses popping up. No DFA lenses
>>> other than long glass. And APS-C sensor technology will undoubtedly
>>> progress. Add to this the bad angles you encounter using full frame
>>> with the Pentax K mount and the forthcoming 645D, and I'm betting no
>>> full frame DSLR from Pentax. But we'll see. I will be pleased if they
>>> do make one. More choices are a good thing.
>>> Paul
>>> On Dec 20, 2006, at 4:21 PM, Tom C wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>   
 Hey I thought that's what myself, Rob Studdert, P.J. have been
 saying
 for several years now, followed by loud boos and hisses about how the
 industry has abandoned the 135 format


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> From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
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> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 15:43:53 -0500 (EST)
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>
>
>   
>> Actually my quite reliable sources told me that next semi-pro body
>> from Sony will have FF sensor and it will be priced well below
>> Canon 5D.
>>
>> 
> Not surprising (well, maybe the price part is!), especially since
> Sony
> makes their own sensors.
>
> As the pixel-count wars show no signs of abating and noise
> performance
> at ISO 1600 and up is a hot topic, manufacturers will have no choice
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Re: PAW 2006 - 39 - GDG

[ann sanfedele]

I loved this shot -  I don't know if I wrote that before to Godders

and I love to shoot this kind of thing, and have... did a whole show
once called "true southwest"  

now for some reason when I hit "reply all"  all I got is bruce's comments
it didn't include the comments  or the link - I had to cut and paste to 
get it on here.

Don't know why that happened  

ann

Bruce Dayton wrote:

>This shot would be really cool in a series of places that have
>remained the same through the passing of time - I suspect there are
>many of these kinds of places out in Nevada and the desert southwest.
>
>I like the feeling from this photo - reminds me of a few stops I have
>made in places like it.
>  
>
___

>  
>
This shot would be really cool in a series of places that have
remained the same through the passing of time - I suspect there are
many of these kinds of places out in Nevada and the desert southwest.

I like the feeling from this photo - reminds me of a few stops I have
made in places like it.

-- Bruce Saturday, December 16, 2006, 3:13:28 PM, you wrote: GD> Another 
photo from crossing the country, this time from the eastbound GD> run. 
GD> I was nearly out of fuel after crossing the Great Salt Lake Desert 
GD> west of Salt Lake City, Utah and took the turnoff for the first fuel 
GD> and convenience store I could find. Upon pulling in, I realized that 
GD> I'd stopped at this same place on my west-bound run going home from 
GD> Colorado in 1995. Nothing about the place has changed except the 
fuel GD> prices. That was high-summer, I was on the motorcycle and 
sweating, GD> dusk was coming on. This time it was about 36 F degrees, I 
was cozy GD> inside the Prius, and night was almost settled in. GD> 
http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/39.htm GD> Just a nowhere 
place on the edge of almost nowhere, but the eerie GD> resonance and 
lighting did the right thing for me... GD> enjoy GD> Godfrey
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Re: Dpreview's D200 jpeg overall conclusion: same problem different

[P. J. Alling]

I think that's a bit of marketing BS put out by Canon since they have a 
wide lens mount. (Canon seems to do a piss poor job designing WA lenses 
for film most of the time as well so mgo figure). The important thing is 
to get the light angle correct at the corners and edges.  Leica has done 
this with a their specification for the sensor in the M8.  It should be 
easier to do with an DSLR since the angles are less radical.

Paul Stenquist wrote:
> On Dec 20, 2006, at 6:57 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote:
>
>   
>> In the meantime, they will also drop support of old lenses entirely so
>>
>> 
>
> I think they would have to change the mount  if they go full frame. To 
> get decent results, they'll have to go to a larger diameter lens mount. 
> Be careful of what you wish for. It could come true.
> Paul
>
>   
>> all those waiting and waiting for the full frame model will also get
>> to suck it up and buy new lenses .
>>
>> -- 
>> Bruce
>>
>>
>> Wednesday, December 20, 2006, 3:37:32 PM, you wrote:
>>
>> PJA> Who says that Pentax can't have two different format "miniature" 
>> format
>> PJA> DSLRs, or you'll just have to suck it up and eventually replace 
>> all
>> PJA> those DA lenses while the APS sensor DSLR are phased out.  Pentax 
>> gets
>> PJA> more profits from lens sales and can stay in business and create 
>> more
>> PJA> new products.
>>
>> PJA> Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> 
 I'm still not buying it. Too many DA lenses popping up. No DFA lenses
 other than long glass. And APS-C sensor technology will undoubtedly
 progress. Add to this the bad angles you encounter using full frame
 with the Pentax K mount and the forthcoming 645D, and I'm betting no
 full frame DSLR from Pentax. But we'll see. I will be pleased if they
 do make one. More choices are a good thing.
 Paul
 On Dec 20, 2006, at 4:21 PM, Tom C wrote:


 
> Hey I thought that's what myself, Rob Studdert, P.J. have been
> saying
> for several years now, followed by loud boos and hisses about how 
> the
> industry has abandoned the 135 format
>
>
> Tom C.
>
>
>
>
>   
>> From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>> Subject: Re: Dpreview's D200 jpeg overall conclusion: same problem
>> different
>> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 15:43:53 -0500 (EST)
>>
>> Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote:
>>
>>
>> 
>>> Actually my quite reliable sources told me that next semi-pro body
>>> from Sony will have FF sensor and it will be priced well below
>>> Canon 5D.
>>>
>>>   
>> Not surprising (well, maybe the price part is!), especially since
>> Sony
>> makes their own sensors.
>>
>> As the pixel-count wars show no signs of abating and noise
>> performance
>> at ISO 1600 and up is a hot topic, manufacturers will have no 
>> choice
>> but to increase sensor size on their top models in the future as 
>> they
>> go beyond 10-12 megapixels.
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Re: Continous Single Frame

[P. J. Alling]

It seems so doesn't it.

Paul Stenquist wrote:
> Having it rectified will be a pain in the ass.
> Paul
> On Dec 20, 2006, at 6:32 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
>
>   
>> If you "lose" the camera won't it be difficult to verify the problem 
>> and
>> have it rectified?
>>
>> skye wrote:
>> 
>>> On 12/20/06, Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>   
 Hi!


 
> On a couple of occasions, when the K10D shutter is released in
> (verified) single frame mode, it might fire two or three times. 
> Sounds
> much like the continuous rate. This AM it was three times, but only
> with the first release.
> Anyone else had this happen?
> The up side is, I'm not wasting film.
>
>   
 Jack, with passage of time, roughly a year after I got it, my *istD
 developed a strange habit. It would fire twice (and very rarely 
 thrice)
 although it was in single frame mode. I doubt that my trigger finger 
 is
 that shaky or that (trigger) happy. Although this thing does not 
 bother
 me to the slightest - at worst I have to delete some files. But I do 
 chimp.

 HTH.

 Boris

 
>>> This has happened to me too. The problem developed after I got it back
>>> from the last cleaning. I don't have time to lose the camera for any
>>> amount of time, so I just put up with it.
>>>
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Re: OT: Motorcycle porn

[ann sanfedele]

nice pics - but I prefer his car porn 
especially that chevvy

ann

Stan Halpin wrote:

>I was catching up on some reading over dinner and came across this 
>reference...
>
>http://www.trickphotog.com/Menu.htm
>
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Re: Peso: Tompkins Square Park

[K.Takeshita]

On 12/20/06 10:52 PM, "ann sanfedele", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5358414

I like this very much as it is different.
Foreground shadow with large tree branch arching. Another tree with twisting
branches in centre and somewhat blown out surrounding tall buildings, all in
sepia like colour.
Looks like turn of the century photo with a touch of ghastly (?) feeling.

Ken


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Re: My holiday greeting

[ann sanfedele]

Thanks for the details (all you guys) and for not laughing at me :)

ann retro-techno gal




Bob Shell wrote:

>On Dec 20, 2006, at 4:02 PM, graywolf wrote:
>
>  
>
>>.MP3 is the file extension for an MPEG-3 file. It is the compressed  
>>file
>>all the kids are using on their IPOD type devices. Really lossy, the
>>sound is really compressed too, but it does make a movie downloadable.
>>Means something like Motion Picture Electronic Graphic file.
>>
>>
>
>Not really lossy, at least not the version I use.  I can't really  
>hear any significant difference between the CDs I make and the much  
>smaller mp3 files.  MPEG stands for Motion Picture Experts Group,  
>just as JPEG stands for Joint Photographic Experts Group.  These are  
>the groups that set the specs for the file types.
>
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Gourmands on PDML

[Mark Erickson]

I ate too much See's candy this week at work (I'm addicted to peanut brittle
and one of my colleagues brought in two big boxes!

Anyone else have stories of culinary excess to report?

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Re: Dpreview's D200 jpeg overall conclusion: same problem different

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Dec 20, 2006, at 7:13 PM, Digital Image Studio wrote:

> Paul, where did you read that the lens mount would have to be changed?
> I fully expect that there would be no need to do so to accommodate
> either FF (just for Godders) or 1.3x cropped sensors.

I don't think you would ever get in-body image stabilization with a  
French Format sized sensor in the standard mount. Nor would legacy  
lenses have enough image area to cover it properly.

Since Pentax folks have stated that they feel in-body image  
stabilization is a better thing to their way of thinking than in-lens  
stabilization, and since they're delivering a whole lineup of new DA  
series lenses optimized for 16x24 sized sensors scheduled over the  
next several years, I think these new rumors of French Format sensors  
are just frenching bullshit.

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Peso: Tompkins Square Park

[ann sanfedele]

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5358414


I thought I would see what would happen if I shot in color with and 
orange filter and then
converted to BW -  but the conversion didn't look too good and I liked 
the orange so I left it alone.

shot in raw, converted to tif with no adjustments, cropped a teesy bit 
(a la Mark Roberts's idea)
slapped on a border - thats it.

I felt virtuous because I shot something with my LX for the PUG and 
loaded it already.

ann



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Re: Rechargable CR-V3 batteries for *ist-D

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Dunno about the *ist D.

My battery performance records in the *ist DS ...

2400mAh Power2000 NiMH AAs: 600-700 exposures per charge, [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
with charger, $15 per battery set.
Everready AA Lithium E2 disposables: 1100 exposures per charge, ~$8  
per set
Everready CRV3 Lithium disposables: 1200-1300 exposures per charge, ~ 
$10 per set

I have not tried the Eneloop CRV3s.
I use the NiMH AAs for day to day shooting with the DS and carry AA  
Lithium disposables when traveling.

Godfrey

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Re: PESO - Contemplating Cheese

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

It was ten degrees F warmer in San Jose last evening than it was in  
Sunnyvale .. 10 miles away.

Regards SF: Remember Sam Clemens famous quote: "Coldest winter I ever  
experienced was a summer in San Francisco." About right for a  
Louisiana boy in summer SF. It's almost always warmer in Spring and  
Fall.

G

On Dec 20, 2006, at 4:18 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

> Yes, I remember a great disparity from one part of the bay area to
> another. I went to visit a friend in Marin County one evening in July,
> and it was quite warm. And I've worked in SF in the fall and found it
> much better than the summer. (I spent two months trying to help  
> Young &
> Rubicam SF on their Chevron account back in '91.) Hope to get back to
> you folks one of these days.



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Re: K10D battery performance

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Dec 20, 2006, at 6:56 PM, Mark Cassino wrote:

> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>> The first charge lasted 1192 exposures ...
>
> Thanks for that report. I was wondering how long the batteries would
> last, both in terms of vigorous use and also in terms of just wasting
> away over time. I picked up a generic spare so I feel a bit more
> comfortable. For me, in the spring 1,000 shot days are not  
> uncommon. It
> looks like a single battery can handle that - which is great.

The spare battery that I dropped into the camera last night was last  
charged about four-five months ago. It's a 1500mah Konica Minolta  
NP400. Now I'm curious to see how many exposures it will allow,  
without a refresher charge.

Godfrey

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Re: K10D battery performance

[Mark Cassino]

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> The first charge lasted 1192 exposures ... 

Thanks for that report. I was wondering how long the batteries would 
last, both in terms of vigorous use and also in terms of just wasting 
away over time. I picked up a generic spare so I feel a bit more 
comfortable. For me, in the spring 1,000 shot days are not uncommon. It 
looks like a single battery can handle that - which is great.

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Re: My holiday greeting

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Dec 20, 2006, at 3:59 PM, Bob Shell wrote:

>
>> .MP3 is the file extension for an MPEG-3 file. It is the  
>> compressed file
>> all the kids are using on their IPOD type devices. Really lossy, the
>> sound is really compressed too, but it does make a movie  
>> downloadable.
>> Means something like Motion Picture Electronic Graphic file.
>
> Not really lossy, at least not the version I use.  I can't really
> hear any significant difference between the CDs I make and the much
> smaller mp3 files.  MPEG stands for Motion Picture Experts Group,
> just as JPEG stands for Joint Photographic Experts Group.  These are
> the groups that set the specs for the file types.

MPEG-3 can be fairly lossy or fairly tight, depends what bit rate you  
use in rendering it ... much like JPEG. 196Kbps MP3s are not very  
lossy at all. That said, there are MPEG-4 (m4p files) encoded with  
AAC that are much smaller and have lower losses, and there are  
several lossless compression algorithms too, all of which get called  
"MP3s" as they are all downloaded from the same sites.

The world of audio and video compression can get arbitrarily complex ...

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Re: Dpreview's D200 jpeg overall conclusion: same problem different

[Digital Image Studio]

On 21/12/06, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well, they're building a following. the K10 is the top selling DSLR
> in Japan right now, and I suspect it's doing quite well elsewhere as
> well. I don't think they're going to abandon all those users. Because
> if they do go FF, they almost have to change the lens mount. Forget
> those a15 units. The'll be history. But it aint gonna happen. Pentax
> will be an APS-c camera in anything smaller than 645. Of course I
> plan on owning the 645. I'll use my 6x7 lenses at first. Probably
> migrate to new glass later. That would be when they introduce the
> DA645* lenses.I'm guessing that will happen at about this time next
> hear. Mark that as a prediction.Paul

Paul, where did you read that the lens mount would have to be changed?
I fully expect that there would be no need to do so to accommodate
either FF (just for Godders) or 1.3x cropped sensors.

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Re: Rechargable CR-V3 batteries for *ist-D

[SJ]

On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 13:59:35 -0600
Charles Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Dec 20, 2006, at 13:50, John Sessoms wrote:

> > I've looked on the web for CR-V3 rechargables & found some, but I
> > also ran into advice to check with the camera manufacturer before
> > using them.

> Two words: Sanyo Eneloop!
> 
> They're AA format, and they can be charged in any decent NiMH charger.
> 
> Their stated capacity in MaH (or is that MAh?) is less than a lot of  
> other batteries, but I'm sold after just one rotation.  I've had
> them in my ist-DS since 11/10, and after 700 exposures (and over a
> month of being in the camera) they're still going strong.  I haven't
> had to charge them yet.

hi charles,

thanks, that was quite helpful for me too. after about 700 exposures
the cr-v3s which came with my DS have just given up and when i went to
the local store for a set of rechargeable cr-v3, the guy suggested that
i go for the sanyo eneloops. since i had never heard of them before, i
thought i'll wait and see and meanwhile use the nimh i already have.
reading your comment, it does look like the eneloops are a better
choice, though as you say another thing that held me back was the
rated mAh.

thanks, subash

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Re: PESO - Contemplating Cheese

[Kenneth Waller]

Another cheesy photo from Shel ! ;+)  I like it. Good eye, nice composition, 
although I'm a little undecided about the cheese showing above his back. 
Perhaps a vertical crop to the right of his hood?

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message - 
From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: PESO - Contemplating Cheese


> Yesterday was the first day in a while that my camera went with me while
> running some errands. Grabbed this one at a local market ... comments
> welcome, of course.
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/contemplatingcheese.html
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Re: Dpreview's D200 jpeg overall conclusion: same problem different

[Paul Stenquist]

Well, they're building a following. the K10 is the top selling DSLR  
in Japan right now, and I suspect it's doing quite well elsewhere as  
well. I don't think they're going to abandon all those users. Because  
if they do go FF, they almost have to change the lens mount. Forget  
those a15 units. The'll be history. But it aint gonna happen. Pentax  
will be an APS-c camera in anything smaller than 645. Of course I  
plan on owning the 645. I'll use my 6x7 lenses at first. Probably  
migrate to new glass later. That would be when they introduce the  
DA645* lenses.I'm guessing that will happen at about this time next  
hear. Mark that as a prediction.Paul
On Dec 20, 2006, at 6:37 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

> Who says that Pentax can't have two different format "miniature"  
> format
> DSLRs, or you'll just have to suck it up and eventually replace all
> those DA lenses while the APS sensor DSLR are phased out.  Pentax gets
> more profits from lens sales and can stay in business and create more
> new products.
>
> Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> I'm still not buying it. Too many DA lenses popping up. No DFA lenses
>> other than long glass. And APS-C sensor technology will undoubtedly
>> progress. Add to this the bad angles you encounter using full frame
>> with the Pentax K mount and the forthcoming 645D, and I'm betting no
>> full frame DSLR from Pentax. But we'll see. I will be pleased if they
>> do make one. More choices are a good thing.
>> Paul
>> On Dec 20, 2006, at 4:21 PM, Tom C wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Hey I thought that's what myself, Rob Studdert, P.J. have been
>>> saying
>>> for several years now, followed by loud boos and hisses about how  
>>> the
>>> industry has abandoned the 135 format
>>>
>>>
>>> Tom C.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
 From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
 Subject: Re: Dpreview's D200 jpeg overall conclusion: same problem
 different
 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 15:43:53 -0500 (EST)

 Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote:


> Actually my quite reliable sources told me that next semi-pro body
> from Sony will have FF sensor and it will be priced well below
> Canon 5D.
>
 Not surprising (well, maybe the price part is!), especially since
 Sony
 makes their own sensors.

 As the pixel-count wars show no signs of abating and noise
 performance
 at ISO 1600 and up is a hot topic, manufacturers will have no  
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Re: Rechargable CR-V3 batteries for *ist-D

[Paul Stenquist]

What Bruce said. The lithium AAs are the best option for the *istD.
Paul
On Dec 20, 2006, at 7:17 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote:

> Have you considered the Lithium AA Eveready's?  They have near
> the same capacity as the CRV-3's and cost considerably less.
>
> I can say that my two *istD's that I have had since they were
> available for sale have never had the problems you describe.
>
> I take that back - more recently I was finding one camera to discharge
> batteries at a fairly rapid rate.  By experimentation, I found that
> one of the battery grips was the culprit.
>
> You should try a shoot without the grip to see if there is any
> difference.  There have been issues before with the battery power in
> the grip and body together.  I would also try just one set in the body
> with the grip and in the grip, but not the body.  See if that has any
> impact.
>
> But also consider the AA lithiums.
>
> --  
> Best regards,
> Bruce
>
>
> Wednesday, December 20, 2006, 4:00:04 PM, you wrote:
>
> JS> I should clarify that I have several sets of Ni-MH  
> rechargables. I use
> JS> them in sets of 8 - 4 in the camera and 4 in the battery grip.  
> I have
> JS> two sets of 8 Duracell rechargable AAs (2300 mAh), one set of 8
> JS> Energizer rechargable AAs (2300 mAh) and several sets of house  
> brand
> JS> batteries I acquired in various places (US, Scotland & Iraq -  
> 1500 to
> JS> 2000 mAh).
>
> JS> None of these will give me a full charge indicator on the  
> camera. I've
> JS> acquired them over a 3 year period, and have recharged them  
> enough there
> JS> should be no further burn in period required. The higher rated  
> batteries
> JS> I acquired in 2005 & 2006.
>
> JS> With the Energizers & Duracells, if I install them fresh off the
> JS> charger, I can get just about 4 gig of raw images (282 raw) ...  
> two 2
> JS> gig cards full before I have to change out batteries; IF I'm  
> filling the
> JS> two cards in one outing.
>
> JS> I get significantly less with the OEM batteries, but I expect  
> that's due
> JS> to the lower capacity. And, if I'm shooting and taking several  
> days to
> JS> fill the cards, self discharge does seem to reduce the number  
> of images
> JS> I can get off of a charge.
>
> JS> Filling the camera and grip with Duracell alkaline batteries  
> *does* give
> JS> me a full charge indicator on the camera and gives me almost  
> the same
> JS> number of exposures as the 2300 mAh rechargeables, and there's no
> JS> problem with self discharge.
>
> JS> Because of a recent project where I had to be sure the camera  
> would
> JS> perform and continue to perform, I broke down and filled it and  
> the grip
> JS> with disposable CR-V3s, which have so far given me about six  
> cards worth
> JS> of images.
>
> JS> OTOH, that burns through $50 USD every time I have to change  
> batteries.
> JS> I don't know if I can afford that, especially as I need to  
> carry a spare
> JS> set.
>
> JS> I'd really like info from anyone who has used rechargable CR- 
> V3s in the
> JS> *ist-D. If I have to, I'll continue to use CR-V3 disposables  
> and back
> JS> them up with Duracell Alkaline AAs.
>
> JS> I'm not really interested in alternative versions of Ni-MH AAs.  
> I've
> JS> tried too many different ones already that just don't do the job.
>
>
>
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Re: PESO - Contemplating Cheese

[Paul Stenquist]

No, I meant to say Trader Joe's. Same chain. It started out by you  
folks.
Good store. Perhaps they're just wound a bit too tight back here.
Paul
On Dec 20, 2006, at 6:28 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

> This was taken at Trader Joe's.  Different chain?  I got some shots  
> of the
> staff as well, a couple of which were happy to pose for me.  The  
> lady at
> the tasting booth even borrowed my camera and grabbed a shot of me  
> posing
> for her.
>
> Shel
>
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Paul Stenquist
>
>
>> Yes, a pleasant picture. I'm surprised that Trader Jack's let you
>> shoot in the store. My local Trader Jack's made me turn the camera
>> off and cap the lens.
>
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/contemplatingcheese.html
>
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Enablement - I finally have a superwide!

[jkmess]

I just picked up a Sigma 10-20 4-5,6 EX DC.  the build quality is lovely, can't 
wait 
to try it out on the camera.

I also have an AF540 FGZ flash and Sigma 600mm mirror lens coming from Ebay.  
That's it for me for quite some time in terms of buying gear.  :)

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RE: OT someone, somewhere......

[Tim Øsleby]

Some times you are a subtle man Mike. 

If you are referring to whom I believe: Happy birthday!
If it's somebody else: Happy birthday anyway. 


Tim
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.. is 40 today.

Happy birthday to them, wherever they are...

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Re: The cause of the controversy

[Kenneth Waller]

>I do not believe anyone can see the difference on a 27-32 inch job.

Wanna bet? We all know a guy who could.

;+)
Kenneth Waller

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> HO! HO! HO! Merry Christmas, Eveyone!
> 
> Actually the picture is pretty good, Cotty, now that I have it adjusted. 
> One of the things that has not been thought of is that a 27in analog TV 
> viewed from across the room has pretty good resolution. Viewed up close 
> the new HD stuff is better, but from across the room? I do not believe 
> anyone can see the difference on a 27-32 inch job. At least, standing 
> back 10-12 feet from the display sets at Wal-Mart, I can not.
> 
> 
> Cotty wrote:
>> On 19/12/06, graywolf, discombobulated, unleashed:
>> 
>>> http://www.graywolfphoto.com/digital/TV.html
>> 
>> The picture's terrible! That looks like a National Geographic
>> documentary about some guy shooting living rooms, but the contrast is so
>> bad on the screen it's difficult to tell. I reckon you need a new TV
>> Graywolf. Apparently the HDTV system is much better anf comes highly
>> recommended, and if you don't agree you're WRONG WRONG WRONG!
>> 
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Re: Please everyone set up an email filter

[Kenneth Waller]

but nothing beat fresh fish in a cast iron frying pan
> on a fishing trip

An unusual way to eat sushi !
:+)
Kenneth Waller

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Subject: Re: Please everyone set up an email filter


> Don't cook alot, but nothing beat fresh fish in a cast iron frying pan
> on a fishing trip :)
>
> dk
>
> On 12/20/06, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I don't like aluminium cookware.
>>
>> Cast iron and Stainless with copper base is my preference.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On 12/20/06, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > Cast iron is good for a lot of things, but you can still get hard
>> > anodized aluminum as well. Calphalon sells both; hard anodized and
>> > teflon coated, Some stores might stock only the teflon, out of
>> > ignorance. Paul
>> > On Dec 19, 2006, at 11:24 PM, graywolf wrote:
>> >
>> > > Wow, that stuff is expensive. Back in the 80's I had some hard
>> > > anodized
>> > > frying pans that were great. No non-stick, metal handles, not
>> > > outrageously expensive, the best frying pans I have ever used. I keep
>> > > looking for something similar but everything I find is Teflon lined, 
>> > > I
>> > > hate Teflon. So, I am using cast iron pans now.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> I'd recommend the Calphalon hard anodized over any pan with a non-
>> > >> stick coating. You don't need the coating if you break it in right,
>> > >> and your pan will last forever. I have some Calphalon pans that are
>> > >> twenty years old. I can make an omelette in my 8 inch skillet and
>> > >> turn it to do the flip side. It has a beautiful glazed surface,
>> > >> better than anything in teflon.
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PESO; A smoke on the sidewalk

[Paul Stenquist]

K10D, DA 50-200 at 200mm. I set my K10D at f6.3, 1/200th. Put the 
camera in TAV mode and let it select the sensitivity. This shot came in 
at ISO 1600. Converted to BW in the channel mixture. I like this 
shooting mode. Would not have wanted to think about ISO when I pulled 
the trigger on this. But knew what kind of shutter speed and aperture I 
wanted. Just an average shot of someone on the street, but a good 
experiment in regard to how I want to work with this camera in these 
kinds of situations.
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5358043

Paul


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Re: Please everyone set up an email filter

[Jostein Øksne]

Conclusion: You had been married long enough to be supposed to know. :-)
Jostein

On 12/20/06, Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> > My wife can be quite scientific about things. Each time one of her
> > friends has got married, she has staged a session at some sports
> > arena, where the bride to be has thrown a frying pan as far as she
> > could. The distance measured was written down on a "Safe Range"
> > certificate, and delivered to the groom at the reception *after* the
> > wedding.
> >
> >>From her experience, most women prefer light pans with long range over
> > cast iron stuff.
>
> Hmmm, I wasn't asked to throw any kitchen "tools" all three times we
> were meeting... I wonder what kind of conclusion can be drawn from that ;-).
>
> Boris
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RE:poll: chime in if....

[Jim King]

Ran a roll through my new Bessaflex TL last weekend to test the  
metering and the new Voigtlander Ultron 40mm f2 lens I just got.   
Verdict:  Nice modern m42 body (if that's not a contradiction in  
terms.  Metering is fine; the lens is very sharp but vignettes  
noticeably at F2 and slightly at f4.

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Re: Dpreview's D200 jpeg overall conclusion: same problem different

[Mark Roberts]

Tom C wrote:

>Well let's just speculate that Pentax does produce a FF body.  That 
does not 
>necessarily mean that APS size lenses go down the tubes does it?  The 
camera 
>could sense or one could set a switch indicating that a smaller format 
lens 
>is being used, and the resulting raw or .jpg file would not show any 
>vignetting.

I think Nikon is rumoured to be working on just such a system.


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Re: Dpreview's D200 jpeg overall conclusion: same problem different

[Mark Roberts]

Bruce Dayton wrote:

>P.J. Alling wrote:
>
>PJA> Who says that Pentax can't have two different format "miniature" 
format
>PJA> DSLRs, or you'll just have to suck it up and eventually replace all
>PJA> those DA lenses while the APS sensor DSLR are phased out.  Pentax 
gets
>PJA> more profits from lens sales and can stay in business and create 
more
>PJA> new products.
>
>In the meantime, they will also drop support of old lenses entirely so
>all those waiting and waiting for the full frame model will also get
>to suck it up and buy new lenses .

Probably not far from the truth. As sensor design continues to improve, 
the need for "digital optimized" lenses will diminish to nothing and 
they'll want to provide additional incentive for people to buy new 
glass (though I expect at that point, the cameras will be 
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Re: Rechargable CR-V3 batteries for *ist-D

[Eric Featherstone]

On 20/12/06, Charles Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Dec 20, 2006, at 13:50, John Sessoms wrote:
> > I've looked on the web for CR-V3 rechargables & found some, but I also
> > ran into advice to check with the camera manufacturer before using
> > them.
>
> Two words: Sanyo Eneloop!
>
> They're AA format, and they can be charged in any decent NiMH charger.
>
> Their stated capacity in MaH (or is that MAh?)

mAh.

MAh would be a *lot* of energy :-)))

Cheers,
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RE: PDML Quotes List (was: Re: Dpreview's D200 jpeg etc)

[Tim Øsleby]

Looking forward to it. 


Tim
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Cotty wrote:

> Mark, when are you publishing the annual PDML Quotes List ? 
> Must be nearly time :-)

January 1. It's a big list this year!


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Re: Dpreview's D200 jpeg overall conclusion: same problem different

[Tom C]

Well let's just speculate that Pentax does produce a FF body.  That does not 
necessarily mean that APS size lenses go down the tubes does it?  The camera 
could sense or one could set a switch indicating that a smaller format lens 
is being used, and the resulting raw or .jpg file would not show any 
vignetting.



Tom C.


>From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>Subject: Re: Dpreview's D200 jpeg overall conclusion: same problem 
>different
>Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 18:37:32 -0500
>
>Who says that Pentax can't have two different format "miniature" format
>DSLRs, or you'll just have to suck it up and eventually replace all
>those DA lenses while the APS sensor DSLR are phased out.  Pentax gets
>more profits from lens sales and can stay in business and create more
>new products.
>
>Paul Stenquist wrote:
> > I'm still not buying it. Too many DA lenses popping up. No DFA lenses
> > other than long glass. And APS-C sensor technology will undoubtedly
> > progress. Add to this the bad angles you encounter using full frame
> > with the Pentax K mount and the forthcoming 645D, and I'm betting no
> > full frame DSLR from Pentax. But we'll see. I will be pleased if they
> > do make one. More choices are a good thing.
> > Paul
> > On Dec 20, 2006, at 4:21 PM, Tom C wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Hey I thought that's what myself, Rob Studdert, P.J. have been
> >> saying
> >> for several years now, followed by loud boos and hisses about how the
> >> industry has abandoned the 135 format
> >>
> >>
> >> Tom C.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> >>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> >>> Subject: Re: Dpreview's D200 jpeg overall conclusion: same problem
> >>> different
> >>> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 15:43:53 -0500 (EST)
> >>>
> >>> Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
>  Actually my quite reliable sources told me that next semi-pro body
>  from Sony will have FF sensor and it will be priced well below
>  Canon 5D.
> 
> >>> Not surprising (well, maybe the price part is!), especially since
> >>> Sony
> >>> makes their own sensors.
> >>>
> >>> As the pixel-count wars show no signs of abating and noise
> >>> performance
> >>> at ISO 1600 and up is a hot topic, manufacturers will have no choice
> >>> but to increase sensor size on their top models in the future as they
> >>> go beyond 10-12 megapixels.
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Re: Dpreview's D200 jpeg overall conclusion: same problem different

[Tom C]

It may be the reverse of the situation we have at present.

Now we lose some of the light transmitted by the glass because it projects a 
larger image circle than the sensor.

In the future one could simply lose some of the light-capturing capability 
of the sensor, because the lens projects a diminutive image circle.

Tom C.


>Well let's just speculate that Pentax does produce a FF body.  That does 
>not necessarily mean >that APS size lenses go down the tubes does it?  The 
>camera could sense or one could set a >switch indicating that a smaller 
>format lens is being used, and the resulting raw or .jpg file would >not 
>show any vignetting.



Tom C.


>From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>Subject: Re: Dpreview's D200 jpeg overall conclusion: same problem 
>different
>Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 18:37:32 -0500
>
>Who says that Pentax can't have two different format "miniature" format
>DSLRs, or you'll just have to suck it up and eventually replace all
>those DA lenses while the APS sensor DSLR are phased out.  Pentax gets
>more profits from lens sales and can stay in business and create more
>new products.
>
>Paul Stenquist wrote:
> > I'm still not buying it. Too many DA lenses popping up. No DFA lenses
> > other than long glass. And APS-C sensor technology will undoubtedly
> > progress. Add to this the bad angles you encounter using full frame
> > with the Pentax K mount and the forthcoming 645D, and I'm betting no
> > full frame DSLR from Pentax. But we'll see. I will be pleased if they
> > do make one. More choices are a good thing.
> > Paul
> > On Dec 20, 2006, at 4:21 PM, Tom C wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Hey I thought that's what myself, Rob Studdert, P.J. have been
> >> saying
> >> for several years now, followed by loud boos and hisses about how the
> >> industry has abandoned the 135 format
> >>
> >>
> >> Tom C.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> >>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> >>> Subject: Re: Dpreview's D200 jpeg overall conclusion: same problem
> >>> different
> >>> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 15:43:53 -0500 (EST)
> >>>
> >>> Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
>  Actually my quite reliable sources told me that next semi-pro body
>  from Sony will have FF sensor and it will be priced well below
>  Canon 5D.
> 
> >>> Not surprising (well, maybe the price part is!), especially since
> >>> Sony
> >>> makes their own sensors.
> >>>
> >>> As the pixel-count wars show no signs of abating and noise
> >>> performance
> >>> at ISO 1600 and up is a hot topic, manufacturers will have no choice
> >>> but to increase sensor size on their top models in the future as they
> >>> go beyond 10-12 megapixels.
> >>>
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Re: PESO - Contemplating Cheese

[Bob Sullivan]

Sounds like shorts weather here in Chicago...   :-)
Regards,  Bob S.

On 12/20/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On Dec 20, 2006, at 12:42 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
>
> > ... and the hat and coat in Sunny California? ...
>
> It's been in the middle 30F to 40F in Sunnyvale the past couple of
> nights, and chilly (45-50F) during the days.
>
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Re: Continous Single Frame

[Tom C]

The practical approach would be to consult a proctologist.  Relax Pentax 
makes endoscopes.



Tom C.


>From: Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Subject: Re: Continous Single Frame
>Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 19:27:32 -0500
>
>Having it rectified will be a pain in the ass.
>Paul
>On Dec 20, 2006, at 6:32 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
>
> > If you "lose" the camera won't it be difficult to verify the problem
> > and
> > have it rectified?
> >
> > skye wrote:
> >> On 12/20/06, Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi!
> >>>
> >>>
>  On a couple of occasions, when the K10D shutter is released in
>  (verified) single frame mode, it might fire two or three times.
>  Sounds
>  much like the continuous rate. This AM it was three times, but only
>  with the first release.
>  Anyone else had this happen?
>  The up side is, I'm not wasting film.
> 
> >>> Jack, with passage of time, roughly a year after I got it, my *istD
> >>> developed a strange habit. It would fire twice (and very rarely
> >>> thrice)
> >>> although it was in single frame mode. I doubt that my trigger finger
> >>> is
> >>> that shaky or that (trigger) happy. Although this thing does not
> >>> bother
> >>> me to the slightest - at worst I have to delete some files. But I do
> >>> chimp.
> >>>
> >>> HTH.
> >>>
> >>> Boris
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> This has happened to me too. The problem developed after I got it back
> >> from the last cleaning. I don't have time to lose the camera for any
> >> amount of time, so I just put up with it.
> >>
> >>
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Re: Continous Single Frame

[Paul Stenquist]

Having it rectified will be a pain in the ass.
Paul
On Dec 20, 2006, at 6:32 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

> If you "lose" the camera won't it be difficult to verify the problem 
> and
> have it rectified?
>
> skye wrote:
>> On 12/20/06, Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>>
 On a couple of occasions, when the K10D shutter is released in
 (verified) single frame mode, it might fire two or three times. 
 Sounds
 much like the continuous rate. This AM it was three times, but only
 with the first release.
 Anyone else had this happen?
 The up side is, I'm not wasting film.

>>> Jack, with passage of time, roughly a year after I got it, my *istD
>>> developed a strange habit. It would fire twice (and very rarely 
>>> thrice)
>>> although it was in single frame mode. I doubt that my trigger finger 
>>> is
>>> that shaky or that (trigger) happy. Although this thing does not 
>>> bother
>>> me to the slightest - at worst I have to delete some files. But I do 
>>> chimp.
>>>
>>> HTH.
>>>
>>> Boris
>>>
>>
>>
>> This has happened to me too. The problem developed after I got it back
>> from the last cleaning. I don't have time to lose the camera for any
>> amount of time, so I just put up with it.
>>
>>
>
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RE: OT - Very British!

[Simon King]

...but call someone Jesus and you'll be fine.
The BBC and PC police are getting sadder by the day. 
Simon
(who, like Jesus, is a Capricorn)



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Re: Discworld

[Digital Image Studio]

On 21/12/06, Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have the CompactDrive PD6A - previous model to the PD70X.  I have
> tried it with both Transcend 2gb 150X cards and K10D raw files and it
> works just fine.  I'm quite sure my older model will not handle SDHC.
>
> If you are just looking for a reasonably cheap, fast unit, I would go
> for the CompactDrive or HyperDrive.  You can order directly on the
> HyperDrive website (www.hyperdrive.com) or Adorama carries them, I
> believe.

Unfortunately it appears that none of the PD series CompactDrives will
be upgraded to handle SDHC.

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Re: Dpreview's D200 jpeg overall conclusion: same problem different

[Digital Image Studio]

On 21/12/06, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I think they would have to change the mount  if they go full frame. To
> get decent results, they'll have to go to a larger diameter lens mount.
> Be careful of what you wish for. It could come true.

Who told you that?

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Re: Please everyone set up an email filter

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Tom C" Subject: Re: Please everyone set up an email filter


> Yeah.  I'm a throwback... drives my son crazy.
> 

Serves him right.

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Re: Dpreview's D200 jpeg overall conclusion: same problem different

[Paul Stenquist]

On Dec 20, 2006, at 6:57 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote:

> In the meantime, they will also drop support of old lenses entirely so
>

I think they would have to change the mount  if they go full frame. To 
get decent results, they'll have to go to a larger diameter lens mount. 
Be careful of what you wish for. It could come true.
Paul

> all those waiting and waiting for the full frame model will also get
> to suck it up and buy new lenses .
>
> -- 
> Bruce
>
>
> Wednesday, December 20, 2006, 3:37:32 PM, you wrote:
>
> PJA> Who says that Pentax can't have two different format "miniature" 
> format
> PJA> DSLRs, or you'll just have to suck it up and eventually replace 
> all
> PJA> those DA lenses while the APS sensor DSLR are phased out.  Pentax 
> gets
> PJA> more profits from lens sales and can stay in business and create 
> more
> PJA> new products.
>
> PJA> Paul Stenquist wrote:
>>> I'm still not buying it. Too many DA lenses popping up. No DFA lenses
>>> other than long glass. And APS-C sensor technology will undoubtedly
>>> progress. Add to this the bad angles you encounter using full frame
>>> with the Pentax K mount and the forthcoming 645D, and I'm betting no
>>> full frame DSLR from Pentax. But we'll see. I will be pleased if they
>>> do make one. More choices are a good thing.
>>> Paul
>>> On Dec 20, 2006, at 4:21 PM, Tom C wrote:
>>>
>>>
 Hey I thought that's what myself, Rob Studdert, P.J. have been
 saying
 for several years now, followed by loud boos and hisses about how 
 the
 industry has abandoned the 135 format


 Tom C.




> From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
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> different
> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 15:43:53 -0500 (EST)
>
> Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote:
>
>
>> Actually my quite reliable sources told me that next semi-pro body
>> from Sony will have FF sensor and it will be priced well below
>> Canon 5D.
>>
> Not surprising (well, maybe the price part is!), especially since
> Sony
> makes their own sensors.
>
> As the pixel-count wars show no signs of abating and noise
> performance
> at ISO 1600 and up is a hot topic, manufacturers will have no 
> choice
> but to increase sensor size on their top models in the future as 
> they
> go beyond 10-12 megapixels.
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Re: Discworld

[Feroze]

neither do I, but it doesn't look like we missing out on much...

P. J. Alling wrote:
> I'm not sure this is a good idea.  Then again I don't have an iPod...
>
> Feroze wrote:
>   
>> apologies in advance to any Terry Pratchett fans out there
>>
>> My K10 has been reserved for me will be picking up on 
>> Saturday..I feel like a kid a Christmas morning.my first 
>> DSLR
>>
>> Is anyone out there using an ipod to dump the raw files directly? Or are 
>> there better alternatives?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Feroze
>>
>>   
>> 
>
>
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Re: Rechargable CR-V3 batteries for *ist-D

[Bruce Dayton]

Have you considered the Lithium AA Eveready's?  They have near
the same capacity as the CRV-3's and cost considerably less.

I can say that my two *istD's that I have had since they were
available for sale have never had the problems you describe.

I take that back - more recently I was finding one camera to discharge
batteries at a fairly rapid rate.  By experimentation, I found that
one of the battery grips was the culprit.

You should try a shoot without the grip to see if there is any
difference.  There have been issues before with the battery power in
the grip and body together.  I would also try just one set in the body
with the grip and in the grip, but not the body.  See if that has any
impact.

But also consider the AA lithiums.

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Wednesday, December 20, 2006, 4:00:04 PM, you wrote:

JS> I should clarify that I have several sets of Ni-MH rechargables. I use
JS> them in sets of 8 - 4 in the camera and 4 in the battery grip. I have
JS> two sets of 8 Duracell rechargable AAs (2300 mAh), one set of 8 
JS> Energizer rechargable AAs (2300 mAh) and several sets of house brand
JS> batteries I acquired in various places (US, Scotland & Iraq - 1500 to
JS> 2000 mAh).

JS> None of these will give me a full charge indicator on the camera. I've
JS> acquired them over a 3 year period, and have recharged them enough there
JS> should be no further burn in period required. The higher rated batteries
JS> I acquired in 2005 & 2006.

JS> With the Energizers & Duracells, if I install them fresh off the 
JS> charger, I can get just about 4 gig of raw images (282 raw) ... two 2
JS> gig cards full before I have to change out batteries; IF I'm filling the
JS> two cards in one outing.

JS> I get significantly less with the OEM batteries, but I expect that's due
JS> to the lower capacity. And, if I'm shooting and taking several days to
JS> fill the cards, self discharge does seem to reduce the number of images
JS> I can get off of a charge.

JS> Filling the camera and grip with Duracell alkaline batteries *does* give
JS> me a full charge indicator on the camera and gives me almost the same
JS> number of exposures as the 2300 mAh rechargeables, and there's no 
JS> problem with self discharge.

JS> Because of a recent project where I had to be sure the camera would
JS> perform and continue to perform, I broke down and filled it and the grip
JS> with disposable CR-V3s, which have so far given me about six cards worth
JS> of images.

JS> OTOH, that burns through $50 USD every time I have to change batteries.
JS> I don't know if I can afford that, especially as I need to carry a spare
JS> set.

JS> I'd really like info from anyone who has used rechargable CR-V3s in the
JS> *ist-D. If I have to, I'll continue to use CR-V3 disposables and back
JS> them up with Duracell Alkaline AAs.

JS> I'm not really interested in alternative versions of Ni-MH AAs. I've
JS> tried too many different ones already that just don't do the job.






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OT someone, somewhere......

[mike wilson]

.. is 40 today.

Happy birthday to them, wherever they are...

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RE: Introducing myself..

[Simon King]

Hi Daniel,
Welcome to the group. Another sandgroper here - but soon to be off to
Sydney for six months to see how the poor half live.
Love the daylight saving disclaimer, it effectively says "we at Western
Power live in our own time zone".  
Like your photos by the way...
Cheers,
Simon


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> think it will be, Ill happily leave the 5D home too. Has anybody here 
> got experience with the SR and the 40mm? Whats a safe shutter speed to

> use with it.
>
> Ideally, I'd like to use the Auto ISO feature with the camera in 
> Aperture priority mode for low light, so it keeps shifting up to 
> maintain a minimum shutter speed. Would 1/15 of a second be safe?
>
> What happens if you pop the flash up in Auto ISO mode? 
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Re: PESO - Contemplating Cheese

[Paul Stenquist]

Hi Shel,
Yes, I remember a great disparity from one part of the bay area to 
another. I went to visit a friend in Marin County one evening in July, 
and it was quite warm. And I've worked in SF in the fall and found it 
much better than the summer. (I spent two months trying to help Young & 
Rubicam SF on their Chevron account back in '91.) Hope to get back to 
you folks one of these days.
Paul
On Dec 20, 2006, at 6:28 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

> San Francisco has a different climate than the East Bay.  July is 
> usually
> wet and foggy in SF, but many parts of the East Bay can often be sunny 
> and
> warm at that time of year.  San Francisco is often quite sunny in the 
> fall
> and early winter months, and parts of the city, such as the Mission
> District, rarely suffer the July fog and cold as do other parts of the
> city.
>
> Shel
>
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Paul Stenquist
>
>> The bay area isn't exactly "sunny California" at this time of year.
>> Some parts of the bay area never are. I remember freezing on a night
>> television shoot in downtown San Francisco one July. Must have
>> dropped into the forties.
>
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Re: Dpreview's D200 jpeg overall conclusion: same problem different

[Tom C]

I've suspected this all along.  I can't say what will happen obviously, but 
it was not Pentax's original intent to produce an APS-format camera, which 
is apparent due to the MZ-D.

The main reason all the major mfrs. went with APS sized sensors is that the 
market was ripe for DLSR's, the FF sensor cost was prohibitive, and the R&D 
to get the technology right would either take too long or be too risky as 
with Contax. At the same time they realized if they produced specialized 
lenses for APS sized sensors, they could sell additional lenses marketed 
towards those w/o a bagful of existing lenses and to the wide-angle 
customers who were going to lose some of that capability because of the w/a 
crop. Retaining the lens mount compatibility and size for legacy lenses was 
a necessity in order to 'bait' us 1st-generation DSLR buyers who had legacy 
lenses they wanted to use.  If this were not the case they likely could have 
achieved even more efficiency by totally redesigning the lens mounts.

All the while they realized that sensors costs would come down even as 
mega-pixel resolution went up, and the market would mature to the point 
where FF bodies could once enter the market.

All mfrs. had to more or less, get a DSLR to market or go extinct.

If a FF body does come about, they can once again sell a new product and 
produce optimized lenses for it, i.e., more sales.

Unlike the past where the major improvements in photography were due to new 
film emulsions, the digital camera is essentially a personal computer with 
an eyeball and, we are now in the new product-planned obsolescence cycle we 
have with personal computers.

Tom C.


>From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>Subject: Re: Dpreview's D200 jpeg overall conclusion: same problem 
>different
>Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 18:37:32 -0500
>
>Who says that Pentax can't have two different format "miniature" format
>DSLRs, or you'll just have to suck it up and eventually replace all
>those DA lenses while the APS sensor DSLR are phased out.  Pentax gets
>more profits from lens sales and can stay in business and create more
>new products.
>
>Paul Stenquist wrote:
> > I'm still not buying it. Too many DA lenses popping up. No DFA lenses
> > other than long glass. And APS-C sensor technology will undoubtedly
> > progress. Add to this the bad angles you encounter using full frame
> > with the Pentax K mount and the forthcoming 645D, and I'm betting no
> > full frame DSLR from Pentax. But we'll see. I will be pleased if they
> > do make one. More choices are a good thing.
> > Paul
> > On Dec 20, 2006, at 4:21 PM, Tom C wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Hey I thought that's what myself, Rob Studdert, P.J. have been
> >> saying
> >> for several years now, followed by loud boos and hisses about how the
> >> industry has abandoned the 135 format
> >>
> >>
> >> Tom C.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> >>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> >>> Subject: Re: Dpreview's D200 jpeg overall conclusion: same problem
> >>> different
> >>> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 15:43:53 -0500 (EST)
> >>>
> >>> Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
>  Actually my quite reliable sources told me that next semi-pro body
>  from Sony will have FF sensor and it will be priced well below
>  Canon 5D.
> 
> >>> Not surprising (well, maybe the price part is!), especially since
> >>> Sony
> >>> makes their own sensors.
> >>>
> >>> As the pixel-count wars show no signs of abating and noise
> >>> performance
> >>> at ISO 1600 and up is a hot topic, manufacturers will have no choice
> >>> but to increase sensor size on their top models in the future as they
> >>> go beyond 10-12 megapixels.
> >>>
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Re: PESO - Contemplating Cheese

[Paul Stenquist]

It's a good thing when people bend over to get closer to the cheese.
Paul
On Dec 20, 2006, at 6:27 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

> 
>
> Temps here have been around freezing in the evening, 40's or so during 
> the
> day.  It's been cold here - frost on the cars in the morning, people's
> noses falling off if they breath too deeply ...
>
> He's bent over to get closer to the cheese so he can better see what's 
> in
> the case and to contemplate his purchase.
>
> Shel
>
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Bob Sullivan
>
>> Interesting the way the guy is bent over, why is that...
>> and the hat and coat in Sunny California?
>
>
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/contemplatingcheese.html
>
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Re: Seen this review of Windoze Vista?

[David Savage]

I don't deny it's amusing, but Windows v Apple OS debates put me to sleep.

Dave

At 03:13 AM 21/12/2006, Adam Maas wrote:
>But Pogue's (a noted mac guy) presentation is the best part.
>
>-Adam
>
>
>John Francis wrote:
> > And who needs to download a stinkin' VIDEO file to discover this?
> > Bloody stupid anonymized tinyurl crap ...
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 20, 2006 at 07:50:57PM +0900, David Savage wrote:
> >> 
> >>
> >> Who gives a shit?
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
> >> On 12/20/06, Cameron Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>  From the New York Times:
> >>>
> >>> http://tinyurl.com/yn3cef
> >>>
> >>> Unbelievable. Vista my ass - more like a little glimpse of what a real
> >>> computer looks like. Billy Gates' 'crew' has really lost it this time -
> >>> he should go to jail for this amount of blatant piracy and theft.
> >>>
> >>> The only thing he won't steal is the reliability - has NO idea how to
> >>> do that.
> >>>
> >>> And they'll be the faithful windowites going 'nuthin rong wit dat'.
> >>>
> >>> Flame away - I'm unsubscribing.
> >>>
> >>> JCO - you're a nut bag.


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Re: Discworld

[Feroze]

Thanks Bruce, thats exactly what I was looking for...

Feroze

Bruce Dayton wrote:
> I have the CompactDrive PD6A - previous model to the PD70X.  I have
> tried it with both Transcend 2gb 150X cards and K10D raw files and it
> works just fine.  I'm quite sure my older model will not handle SDHC.
>
> If you are just looking for a reasonably cheap, fast unit, I would go
> for the CompactDrive or HyperDrive.  You can order directly on the
> HyperDrive website (www.hyperdrive.com) or Adorama carries them, I
> believe.
>
>   
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Re: My holiday greeting

[Bob Shell]

On Dec 20, 2006, at 4:02 PM, graywolf wrote:

> .MP3 is the file extension for an MPEG-3 file. It is the compressed  
> file
> all the kids are using on their IPOD type devices. Really lossy, the
> sound is really compressed too, but it does make a movie downloadable.
> Means something like Motion Picture Electronic Graphic file.

Not really lossy, at least not the version I use.  I can't really  
hear any significant difference between the CDs I make and the much  
smaller mp3 files.  MPEG stands for Motion Picture Experts Group,  
just as JPEG stands for Joint Photographic Experts Group.  These are  
the groups that set the specs for the file types.

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Re: My holiday greeting

[Bob Shell]

On Dec 20, 2006, at 5:30 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

> Compressed music file.
>
> ann sanfedele wrote:
>> alas, I don't  have speakers
>> what is an mp3?
>>
>> ann

Oddly, I got your response to Ann, but I never got her original post.

Got headphones Ann?  Earbuds?

Bob

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Re: Dpreview's D200 jpeg overall conclusion: same problem different

[Bruce Dayton]

In the meantime, they will also drop support of old lenses entirely so
all those waiting and waiting for the full frame model will also get
to suck it up and buy new lenses .

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Wednesday, December 20, 2006, 3:37:32 PM, you wrote:

PJA> Who says that Pentax can't have two different format "miniature" format
PJA> DSLRs, or you'll just have to suck it up and eventually replace all
PJA> those DA lenses while the APS sensor DSLR are phased out.  Pentax gets
PJA> more profits from lens sales and can stay in business and create more
PJA> new products.

PJA> Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> I'm still not buying it. Too many DA lenses popping up. No DFA lenses
>> other than long glass. And APS-C sensor technology will undoubtedly
>> progress. Add to this the bad angles you encounter using full frame
>> with the Pentax K mount and the forthcoming 645D, and I'm betting no
>> full frame DSLR from Pentax. But we'll see. I will be pleased if they
>> do make one. More choices are a good thing.
>> Paul
>> On Dec 20, 2006, at 4:21 PM, Tom C wrote:
>>
>>   
>>> Hey I thought that's what myself, Rob Studdert, P.J. have been
>>> saying
>>> for several years now, followed by loud boos and hisses about how the
>>> industry has abandoned the 135 format
>>>
>>>
>>> Tom C.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
 From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
 Subject: Re: Dpreview's D200 jpeg overall conclusion: same problem
 different
 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 15:43:53 -0500 (EST)

 Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote:

   
> Actually my quite reliable sources told me that next semi-pro body
> from Sony will have FF sensor and it will be priced well below  
> Canon 5D.
> 
 Not surprising (well, maybe the price part is!), especially since
 Sony
 makes their own sensors.

 As the pixel-count wars show no signs of abating and noise  
 performance
 at ISO 1600 and up is a hot topic, manufacturers will have no choice
 but to increase sensor size on their top models in the future as they
 go beyond 10-12 megapixels.


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Re: Rechargable CR-V3 batteries for *ist-D

[John Sessoms]

I should clarify that I have several sets of Ni-MH rechargables. I use 
them in sets of 8 - 4 in the camera and 4 in the battery grip. I have 
two sets of 8 Duracell rechargable AAs (2300 mAh), one set of 8 
Energizer rechargable AAs (2300 mAh) and several sets of house brand 
batteries I acquired in various places (US, Scotland & Iraq - 1500 to 
2000 mAh).

None of these will give me a full charge indicator on the camera. I've 
acquired them over a 3 year period, and have recharged them enough there 
should be no further burn in period required. The higher rated batteries 
I acquired in 2005 & 2006.

With the Energizers & Duracells, if I install them fresh off the 
charger, I can get just about 4 gig of raw images (282 raw) ... two 2 
gig cards full before I have to change out batteries; IF I'm filling the 
two cards in one outing.

I get significantly less with the OEM batteries, but I expect that's due 
to the lower capacity. And, if I'm shooting and taking several days to 
fill the cards, self discharge does seem to reduce the number of images 
I can get off of a charge.

Filling the camera and grip with Duracell alkaline batteries *does* give 
me a full charge indicator on the camera and gives me almost the same 
number of exposures as the 2300 mAh rechargeables, and there's no 
problem with self discharge.

Because of a recent project where I had to be sure the camera would 
perform and continue to perform, I broke down and filled it and the grip 
with disposable CR-V3s, which have so far given me about six cards worth 
of images.

OTOH, that burns through $50 USD every time I have to change batteries. 
I don't know if I can afford that, especially as I need to carry a spare 
set.

I'd really like info from anyone who has used rechargable CR-V3s in the 
*ist-D. If I have to, I'll continue to use CR-V3 disposables and back 
them up with Duracell Alkaline AAs.

I'm not really interested in alternative versions of Ni-MH AAs. I've 
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Re: PESO - Contemplating Cheese

[Shel Belinkoff]

Thanks Frank ... 

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: frank theriault 

 > http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/contemplatingcheese.html
> >
>
> I like it!



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Re: Dpreview's D200 jpeg overall conclusion: same problem different

[P. J. Alling]

Who says that Pentax can't have two different format "miniature" format 
DSLRs, or you'll just have to suck it up and eventually replace all 
those DA lenses while the APS sensor DSLR are phased out.  Pentax gets 
more profits from lens sales and can stay in business and create more 
new products.

Paul Stenquist wrote:
> I'm still not buying it. Too many DA lenses popping up. No DFA lenses  
> other than long glass. And APS-C sensor technology will undoubtedly  
> progress. Add to this the bad angles you encounter using full frame  
> with the Pentax K mount and the forthcoming 645D, and I'm betting no  
> full frame DSLR from Pentax. But we'll see. I will be pleased if they  
> do make one. More choices are a good thing.
> Paul
> On Dec 20, 2006, at 4:21 PM, Tom C wrote:
>
>   
>> Hey I thought that's what myself, Rob Studdert, P.J. have been  
>> saying
>> for several years now, followed by loud boos and hisses about how the
>> industry has abandoned the 135 format
>>
>>
>> Tom C.
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>> From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>>> Subject: Re: Dpreview's D200 jpeg overall conclusion: same problem
>>> different
>>> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 15:43:53 -0500 (EST)
>>>
>>> Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote:
>>>
>>>   
 Actually my quite reliable sources told me that next semi-pro body
 from Sony will have FF sensor and it will be priced well below  
 Canon 5D.
 
>>> Not surprising (well, maybe the price part is!), especially since  
>>> Sony
>>> makes their own sensors.
>>>
>>> As the pixel-count wars show no signs of abating and noise  
>>> performance
>>> at ISO 1600 and up is a hot topic, manufacturers will have no choice
>>> but to increase sensor size on their top models in the future as they
>>> go beyond 10-12 megapixels.
>>>
>>>
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Re: PAW 2006 - 40 - GDG

[David Savage]

Nope, just curious.

Cheers,

Dave

At 01:10 AM 21/12/2006, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>Real, of course. I don't go to cafes that serve canned whipped cream.
>
>Is there something about this photo that is causing you to be
>particularly critical? I didn't think it was high art, just a
>pleasing composition of geometries.
>
>G
>
>
>On Dec 20, 2006, at 12:54 AM, David Savage wrote:
>
> > Righto. Real whipped cream, or from a can (shudder)?
> >
> > Nice shot of your arm in any case :-)
> >
> >> In this instance, they have no purpose as a spoon was supplied with
> >> the espresso. Normally, I use them to mix the whipped cream and the
> >> coffee ... always grab them out of habit. ;-)
> >>
> >> I just liked the dynamics of the composition. Actual content was
> >> secondary.
> >>
> >>> What are the sticks for? They look out of place.
> >>>
>  http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/40.htm


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Re: K10D still the number 1 seller

[K.Takeshita]

On 12/20/06 5:55 PM, "Dario Bonazza", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Are they already selling the Fuji S5???
> Aren't those just bookings, or other figures, maybe?

Later next month.

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Re: Official Full Frame Pentax Rumor (was Re: Dpreview's D200 jpeg overall conclusion: same problem different attitude?)

[P. J. Alling]

I'm hoping for a 1.3x crop using a Kodak sensor long before that.  (Yes 
I know a snowball stands a better chance in hell but hey I can dream).

Mark Erickson wrote:
> Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote:
>   
>> Actually my quite reliable sources told me that next 
>> semi-pro body from Sony will have FF sensor and it will 
>> be priced well below Canon 5D. 
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Sylwek
>> 
>
> All Pentax DSLRs so far have used Sony sensors.  Pentax had a full frame 
> design (the mythical MZ-D) that they shelved due to problems with the 
> sensor.   I thus conclude that Pentax will release a full-frame K1D that 
> uses Sony FF sensor.  The camera will be released about 6 months after 
> Sony's FF product hits the streets. 
>
> Your mileage may vary.  Objects in mirror are closer than they appear.  Etc. 
>
>  --Mark
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Re: Discworld

[Bruce Dayton]

I have the CompactDrive PD6A - previous model to the PD70X.  I have
tried it with both Transcend 2gb 150X cards and K10D raw files and it
works just fine.  I'm quite sure my older model will not handle SDHC.

If you are just looking for a reasonably cheap, fast unit, I would go
for the CompactDrive or HyperDrive.  You can order directly on the
HyperDrive website (www.hyperdrive.com) or Adorama carries them, I
believe.

When you look at devices, one of the issues to be aware of is the
download speed/battery life.  That is one of the big reasons I looked
at the CompactDrive originally.  I needed to be able to download cards
while in the middle of wedding and have the card available in a
reasonable amount of time (minutes).  I also needed to be able to
download many cards on one battery charge.

>From all I have seen and heard, the Epson and CompactDrive/HyperDrive
are the two best choices.  Epson, if you want features like a good
viewing screen and CompactDrive if you don't need to see things other
than text status.

HTH,


Bruce


Wednesday, December 20, 2006, 3:09:24 PM, you wrote:

GD> The only two PSDs I've had any experience with are the Epson P2000
GD> and CompactDrive PD70X. Both work well with 1G SD files, and I've
GD> tested the Epson P2000 with 2G SD cards and both K10D/*ist DS files,
GD> but I don't own the PD70X so I don't know how well it does with 2G SD
GD> cards or K10D files explicitly.

GD> I think the "HyperDrive" brand models are identical to the  
GD> "CompactDrive" models.

GD> I would go to the B&H Photo website under storage devices and look
GD> there for appropriate products rather than using Google. In general,
GD> if it is a decent quality photographic produce, B&H will tend to have
GD> it.

GD> Godfrey


GD> On Dec 20, 2006, at 2:55 PM, Feroze wrote:

>> Thanks Godfrey,
>>
>> I don't really need one with a screen or anything fancy, just some
>> device I can dump files onto. Googleing the epson also brought up
>> another brand "Archos". Not one I've heard of before, any opinions?
>>
>> Feroze
>>
>> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>>> On Dec 20, 2006, at 2:10 PM, Feroze wrote:
>>>
 ... My K10 has been reserved for me will be picking up on
 Saturday..I feel like a kid a Christmas morning.my first
 DSLR

 Is anyone out there using an ipod to dump the raw files directly?
 Or are
 there better alternatives?

>>>
>>> I've tried all the available solutions for using the iPod as a
>>> portable storage device for photographic purposes. They're all
>>> lacking, in my opinion. Poor transfer speeds and heavy battery
>>> consumption are the norm. For people shooting just a modest number of
>>> RAW or JPEG files, ok: it can work well enough. For those working
>>> with RAW files in any volume it is pretty much hopeless.
>>>
>>> I use an Epson P2000 portable multimedia viewer/player. It doesn't
>>> process or allow preview of K10D RAW files (either PEF or DNG
>>> format), but, as discussed the other day, it downloads them without
>>> any problems. If you want to view, set the camera to produce RAW+JPEG
>>> and set the JPEG processing to minimum size/** quality. This will
>>> cost, on average, about 500K additional per frame on disk/card space
>>> but allow you to review the files on the Epson's display.
>>>
>>> I have tested this to be sure ... works like a charm. The Epson
>>> P2000, P4000, P4500 and P5000 are top-notch portable storage devices.
>>> The P5000 is supposed to be able to process DNG files as well, but
>>> it's likely not a full DNG implementation based on the information in
>>> Epson's FAQ so I wouldn't expect it.
>>>
>>> Godfrey
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: PESO - Contemplating Cheese

[Shel Belinkoff]

Temps here have been around freezing in the evening, 40's or so during the
day.  It's been cold here - frost on the cars in the morning, people's
noses falling off if they breath too deeply ... 

He's bent over to get closer to the cheese so he can better see what's in
the case and to contemplate his purchase.

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Bob Sullivan 

> Interesting the way the guy is bent over, why is that... 
> and the hat and coat in Sunny California?


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Re: Discworld

[P. J. Alling]

I'm not sure this is a good idea.  Then again I don't have an iPod...

Feroze wrote:
> apologies in advance to any Terry Pratchett fans out there
>
> My K10 has been reserved for me will be picking up on 
> Saturday..I feel like a kid a Christmas morning.my first 
> DSLR
>
> Is anyone out there using an ipod to dump the raw files directly? Or are 
> there better alternatives?
>
> Thanks
>
> Feroze
>
>   


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Re: PESO - Contemplating Cheese

[Shel Belinkoff]

San Francisco has a different climate than the East Bay.  July is usually
wet and foggy in SF, but many parts of the East Bay can often be sunny and
warm at that time of year.  San Francisco is often quite sunny in the fall
and early winter months, and parts of the city, such as the Mission
District, rarely suffer the July fog and cold as do other parts of the
city.  

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Paul Stenquist 

> The bay area isn't exactly "sunny California" at this time of year.  
> Some parts of the bay area never are. I remember freezing on a night  
> television shoot in downtown San Francisco one July. Must have  
> dropped into the forties.



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Re: PESO - Contemplating Cheese

[Shel Belinkoff]

This was taken at Trader Joe's.  Different chain?  I got some shots of the
staff as well, a couple of which were happy to pose for me.  The lady at
the tasting booth even borrowed my camera and grabbed a shot of me posing
for her.

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Paul Stenquist 


> Yes, a pleasant picture. I'm surprised that Trader Jack's let you  
> shoot in the store. My local Trader Jack's made me turn the camera  
> off and cap the lens.

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Re: PESO - Contemplating Cheese

[Shel Belinkoff]

I didn't do anything special.  Just pointed the camera, quickly focused on
the guy's head, and pressed the button.  I think I used f5/6 for the
aperture, maybe f8.0, shutter speed was 1/60 or so.  

Thanks for the "atta-boy."

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Godfrey DiGiorgi 
>
> Yes, I found that even though there is reasonably sharp focus  
> throughout, Shel managed to give the appearance of multiple planes  
> very nicely. Neat shot!



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Re: Continous Single Frame

[P. J. Alling]

If you "lose" the camera won't it be difficult to verify the problem and 
have it rectified?

skye wrote:
> On 12/20/06, Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Hi!
>>
>> 
>>> On a couple of occasions, when the K10D shutter is released in
>>> (verified) single frame mode, it might fire two or three times. Sounds
>>> much like the continuous rate. This AM it was three times, but only
>>> with the first release.
>>> Anyone else had this happen?
>>> The up side is, I'm not wasting film.
>>>   
>> Jack, with passage of time, roughly a year after I got it, my *istD
>> developed a strange habit. It would fire twice (and very rarely thrice)
>> although it was in single frame mode. I doubt that my trigger finger is
>> that shaky or that (trigger) happy. Although this thing does not bother
>> me to the slightest - at worst I have to delete some files. But I do chimp.
>>
>> HTH.
>>
>> Boris
>> 
>
>
> This has happened to me too. The problem developed after I got it back
> from the last cleaning. I don't have time to lose the camera for any
> amount of time, so I just put up with it.
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Re: poll: chime in if....

[Ralf R. Radermacher]

Markus Maurer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> is Agfa the best ISO 100 film for your night shots or do you use different
> brands?

The Optima 100 I've bought is mostly for daylight work. 

I normally use ISO 400 for the night stuff to keep exposure durations
with the Noblex  (i.e  camera running times, approx. 10 times the actual
exposure) down to a max. of two hours at f8 or 30 minutes with the 617
at f22.  

The Optima 100 and 400 cope astonishingly well with mixed light
situations. Recently, the usual combination of fluorescent and sodium
vapour has been made even more complicated by the advent of xenon
lighting and the Optima is the least problematic film to scan if all
three varieties are present, even better than Portra. 

I also like the Agfa colours for normal daylight work. 

Besides, it is available dirt cheap, here. About 1,40 for Optima 100 and
1,00 for Optima 400 if its bought in batches of 100 films. 

Other than that I use Portra 160 and 400 when I can get hold of it on
ebay.

My experiences with Fuji (NPS/NPH) have been far from satisfactory in
night photography. Far more halation probs than with Agfa or Kodak.

> Is there any color negative film slower than ISO100 available in Germany?

None that I know of but no prob for me. With 612 and 617, grain just
isn't a major concern. 

Ralf

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Re: Discworld

[Feroze]

Thanks, I'm checking b&h now...

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> The only two PSDs I've had any experience with are the Epson P2000  
> and CompactDrive PD70X. Both work well with 1G SD files, and I've  
> tested the Epson P2000 with 2G SD cards and both K10D/*ist DS files,  
> but I don't own the PD70X so I don't know how well it does with 2G SD  
> cards or K10D files explicitly.
>
> I think the "HyperDrive" brand models are identical to the  
> "CompactDrive" models.
>
> I would go to the B&H Photo website under storage devices and look  
> there for appropriate products rather than using Google. In general,  
> if it is a decent quality photographic produce, B&H will tend to have  
> it.
>
> Godfrey
>
>
> On Dec 20, 2006, at 2:55 PM, Feroze wrote:
>
>   
>> Thanks Godfrey,
>>
>> I don't really need one with a screen or anything fancy, just some
>> device I can dump files onto. Googleing the epson also brought up
>> another brand "Archos". Not one I've heard of before, any opinions?
>>
>> Feroze
>>
>> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>> 
>>> On Dec 20, 2006, at 2:10 PM, Feroze wrote:
>>>
>>>   
 ... My K10 has been reserved for me will be picking up on
 Saturday..I feel like a kid a Christmas morning.my first
 DSLR

 Is anyone out there using an ipod to dump the raw files directly?
 Or are
 there better alternatives?

 
>>> I've tried all the available solutions for using the iPod as a
>>> portable storage device for photographic purposes. They're all
>>> lacking, in my opinion. Poor transfer speeds and heavy battery
>>> consumption are the norm. For people shooting just a modest number of
>>> RAW or JPEG files, ok: it can work well enough. For those working
>>> with RAW files in any volume it is pretty much hopeless.
>>>
>>> I use an Epson P2000 portable multimedia viewer/player. It doesn't
>>> process or allow preview of K10D RAW files (either PEF or DNG
>>> format), but, as discussed the other day, it downloads them without
>>> any problems. If you want to view, set the camera to produce RAW+JPEG
>>> and set the JPEG processing to minimum size/** quality. This will
>>> cost, on average, about 500K additional per frame on disk/card space
>>> but allow you to review the files on the Epson's display.
>>>
>>> I have tested this to be sure ... works like a charm. The Epson
>>> P2000, P4000, P4500 and P5000 are top-notch portable storage devices.
>>> The P5000 is supposed to be able to process DNG files as well, but
>>> it's likely not a full DNG implementation based on the information in
>>> Epson's FAQ so I wouldn't expect it.
>>>
>>> Godfrey
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: SDHC Support - Firmware updates

[George Sinos]

Your ist-D already takes high capacity CF cards.

See you later, gs

On 12/20/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Dec 20, 2006, at 9:53 AM, John Francis wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Dec 20, 2006 at 08:29:02PM +0900, David Savage wrote:
> >> 
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Dave
> >
> > Call that support?   Where's the upgrade for my *ist-D ?
>
> It's available : the K10D. There's a small fee associated. ]'-)
>
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Re: Rechargable CR-V3 batteries for *ist-D

[japilado]

Yes, the CR-V3 batteries do cost,  but they last a long, long time in my
*ist D.  Bought a pair in September and,  like the Energizer Rabbit,  they
just keep going, and going...

Jim A.





> I'm new to the list. I haven't found this discussed in the archive ...
>
> The CR-V3 batteries Pentax recommends for the *ist-D cost an arm & a
> leg, so I've mostly been using Ni-MH AAs to power the camera. The AAs
> don't seem to give very good performance. When I install freshly charged
> batteries, the battery status display shows the half battery indicator
> the instruction book says is "low battery". I actually get better
> performance from AA alkaline batteries.
>
> I've looked on the web for CR-V3 rechargables & found some, but I also
> ran into advice to check with the camera manufacturer before using them.
>
> Haven't heard anything back from Pentax yet, so I thought I'd ask here.
> Does anyone have experience using CR-V3 rechargables in the *ist-D? If
> so, what was the experience like, and is there a brand/model you'd
> recommend?
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Re: Dpreview's D200 jpeg overall conclusion: same problem different

[P. J. Alling]

The paradigm shifts...

Tom C wrote:
> Hey I thought that's what myself, Rob Studdert, P.J. have been saying 
> for several years now, followed by loud boos and hisses about how the 
> industry has abandoned the 135 format
>
>
> Tom C.
>
>
>
>   
>> From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>> Subject: Re: Dpreview's D200 jpeg overall conclusion: same problem 
>> different
>> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 15:43:53 -0500 (EST)
>>
>> Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> Actually my quite reliable sources told me that next semi-pro body
>>>   
>> >from Sony will have FF sensor and it will be priced well below Canon 5D.
>>
>> Not surprising (well, maybe the price part is!), especially since Sony
>> makes their own sensors.
>>
>> As the pixel-count wars show no signs of abating and noise performance
>> at ISO 1600 and up is a hot topic, manufacturers will have no choice
>> but to increase sensor size on their top models in the future as they
>> go beyond 10-12 megapixels.
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Re: Please everyone set up an email filter

[Paul Stenquist]

On Dec 20, 2006, at 4:38 PM, DagT wrote:

>  good movies deserve a large screen and a
> dark room .-)

I should know better than to get into this, but I've found very few  
theaters that can present a movie as well as I can in my home. I have  
a dark room with big, comfortable leather chairs positioned 15 feet  
from a 61- inch Pioneer plasma HDTV. At the four corners I have four  
Polk tower speakers with 100 watt pre-amps plus a Polk center speaker  
below the screen and a Velodyne subwoofer. The broadcast comes from  
Direct TV via a 5Nb satellite dish that pulls down multiple signals  
from a variety of satellites. I also have an upsampling Panasonic DVD  
player. Blue Ray coming soon. The sound is processed by a 550 watt  
Pioneer five plus one surround sound receiver.Not everyone wants to  
spend on  this kind of equipment for home entertainment. But my wife  
and I rarely leave the house for anything other than work. This is  
our entertainment. We took the money others spend on dinners and  
going out and put it into this room. So JCO has a point. But he  
should only make it once. As I intend to do.
Paul

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Re: Discworld

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

The only two PSDs I've had any experience with are the Epson P2000  
and CompactDrive PD70X. Both work well with 1G SD files, and I've  
tested the Epson P2000 with 2G SD cards and both K10D/*ist DS files,  
but I don't own the PD70X so I don't know how well it does with 2G SD  
cards or K10D files explicitly.

I think the "HyperDrive" brand models are identical to the  
"CompactDrive" models.

I would go to the B&H Photo website under storage devices and look  
there for appropriate products rather than using Google. In general,  
if it is a decent quality photographic produce, B&H will tend to have  
it.

Godfrey


On Dec 20, 2006, at 2:55 PM, Feroze wrote:

> Thanks Godfrey,
>
> I don't really need one with a screen or anything fancy, just some
> device I can dump files onto. Googleing the epson also brought up
> another brand "Archos". Not one I've heard of before, any opinions?
>
> Feroze
>
> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>> On Dec 20, 2006, at 2:10 PM, Feroze wrote:
>>
>>> ... My K10 has been reserved for me will be picking up on
>>> Saturday..I feel like a kid a Christmas morning.my first
>>> DSLR
>>>
>>> Is anyone out there using an ipod to dump the raw files directly?
>>> Or are
>>> there better alternatives?
>>>
>>
>> I've tried all the available solutions for using the iPod as a
>> portable storage device for photographic purposes. They're all
>> lacking, in my opinion. Poor transfer speeds and heavy battery
>> consumption are the norm. For people shooting just a modest number of
>> RAW or JPEG files, ok: it can work well enough. For those working
>> with RAW files in any volume it is pretty much hopeless.
>>
>> I use an Epson P2000 portable multimedia viewer/player. It doesn't
>> process or allow preview of K10D RAW files (either PEF or DNG
>> format), but, as discussed the other day, it downloads them without
>> any problems. If you want to view, set the camera to produce RAW+JPEG
>> and set the JPEG processing to minimum size/** quality. This will
>> cost, on average, about 500K additional per frame on disk/card space
>> but allow you to review the files on the Epson's display.
>>
>> I have tested this to be sure ... works like a charm. The Epson
>> P2000, P4000, P4500 and P5000 are top-notch portable storage devices.
>> The P5000 is supposed to be able to process DNG files as well, but
>> it's likely not a full DNG implementation based on the information in
>> Epson's FAQ so I wouldn't expect it.
>>
>> Godfrey
>>
>>
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Re: K10D still the number 1 seller

[Dario Bonazza]

Are they already selling the Fuji S5???
Aren't those just bookings, or other figures, maybe?

Dario

- Original Message - 
From: "Bertil Holmberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 9:45 PM
Subject: K10D still the number 1 seller


> Japanese seller bic camera has had the K10D as the No 1 in its list  
> of top sellers since well before the Nov 30 release. Indeed, Pentax  
> now occupies the two top positions; body only and the kit with lens.
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/ycgdpy
> 
> Bertil
> 
> (You may need to install the Japanese character set on your PC,  
> unless it is a Mac ;-)
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Re: Please everyone set up an email filter

[P. J. Alling]

What about Dead music?

Tom C wrote:
>> And yes, I do prefer to listen to music live, but that is harder to
>> accomplish so I have a good stereo.
>>
>> DagT
>>
>> 
>
> It's hard for me to listen to music dead. I don't hear anything.
>
> Tom C.
>
>
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