Re: 64mb ram in q840
At 04:36 PM 7/28/2002, you wrote: Sorry it took so long to answer, but I really am not fond of working inside the 840. I would do anything for love, but I won't do that. Heh. Isn't that the truth. Must be from my messing around with PCs for so long, but I *really* don't have a problem cracking open and working around inside the Q800/840/PMac 8100. Of course, compared with, say, my 7200 (upgraded to a 7600 Mb,) I can see why someone would prefer not to. Let me hand you some of my old PC cases, though... g -Eric -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 630 Excel problems
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It contains only one worksheet. That worksheet is configured for landscape printing. It includes the company logo as a graphic at the top. Otherwise, its actually a very simple spreadsheet. Try removing the graphic and re-exporting in 4.0 format. The graphic might be the cause of the problem. = - Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: NeXTlist?
OT as it is - I'd like to recommend any folk interested in NeXT to point their browsers to http://next.z80.org. There is a fairly large collection of documents and other files as well as a discussion board. /Joacim On söndag, jul 28, 2002, at 23:48 Europe/Stockholm, Dan Knight wrote: Peter Heinemann writes: Hello all (and greetings from Germany ^_^) I do have a question about a computer equipped with a 040 processor, but this machine is not a Mac - it is a NeXT TurboColor Station. I am uncertain if asking NeXT related questions is allowed here - if not, please disregard it and sorry ^_^ Yes, NeXT hardware is off topic here -- but where else is there? 1. Does anyone know of a good NeXT email list? 2. If not, we can make it one of the first projects once we have the lemlists.com list server set up. Dan the listmom -- Dan Knight, president, Cobweb Publishing, Inc. http://cobwebpublishing.com http://lowendmac.com http://digital-views.com http://digigraphica.com http://lowendpc.com http://reformed.net I was to learn later in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing, and what a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress while producing confusion, inefficiency, and demoralization. -- Petronius -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: PRAM battery charge
The PRAM battery in the Quadras I know (using 3.6V lithium battery) is NOT beign recharged when the computer is plugged in: those lithium units are not rechargeable. Rather, the power supply continually puts out a minute amount of voltage (5V, 1mA) whenever it is plugged in, which frees the battery from delivering any power. When the computer is unplugged, the battery takes over. P.O. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Was: Ram Disk Stuck On It seems that the PRAM battery was dead. I installed a new one and now things are working ok and the RAM disk has disappeared off the desktop. I keep this Quadra unplugged for most of the time, unless I'm using it. Is that bad for the battery? I think I read here that the battery is kept topped up by keeping the power plugged in even though the machine may be turned off. -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Newsreader for Q950
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 14:56:55 -0400 From: the pickle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Newsreader for Q950 See if any of the 68K-compatible newsreaders listed at http://www.pure-mac.com/ sound like they're what you're looking for. Thanks! InterNews, MacSOUP and NewsWatcher are looking promising - I'll try them. Best wishes, Artur -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: PRAM battery charge
In a message dated 7/29/02 5:31:09 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The PRAM battery in the Quadras I know (using 3.6V lithium battery) is NOT beign recharged when the computer is plugged in: those lithium units are not rechargeable. Correct. The 3.6 volt (nominal) lithium 1/2-AA batteries, as used in most desktop Macs from the Quadra to the present day, are not rechargeable. However, the VL series of lithium batteries, as used in the PB190, PB5xx and PB5300 (and perhaps others) are indeed rechargeable. There are two 3.0 volt batteries in series, with both 3.0 and 6.0 volts being utilized by various PB subsystems. Rather, the power supply continually puts out a minute amount of voltage (5V, 1mA) whenever it is plugged in, which frees the battery from delivering any power. When the computer is unplugged, the battery takes over. Correct. The 5-volt signal is called trickle. And, unlike the implication in the name, it is NOT used to trickle charge the 3.6 volt lithium battery, which is indeed NOT rechargeable. -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: CRT shocks
...In USN electrinics school (back when mem were men and CRTs were CRTs) Yah, I went to A school in Great Lakes in '63. Taught us that CRTs usually had a voltage of approximately 1KV per inch. Miniscule current but enough to throw hand/arm away from point of contact and leave one with aching arm/shoulder muscles for a while. -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: CRT shocks
...Until then, I really wish people would stop perpetuating this myth. What myth? -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: PRAM battery charge
In a message dated 7/29/02 7:59:43 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Would you know if Q605/LC475s and 6100s provide this trickle?. I'd imagine it's possible they don't, being manual-power-on machines ... It would be my guess that all manual power-on machines don't have the trickle output from the PSU. -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: More RAM
On 2002/07/29 00:24, the pickle, [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote: The only Mac that requires 60ns RAM before the PPCs is the 840AV, and it uses 72-pin SIMMs. the pickle Sorry, but then you forget f.e. the Q800 and the WGS 80. Joe -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: More RAM
At 7:23 PM +0200 7/29/02, J.M.P.Hissel wrote: On 2002/07/29 00:24, the pickle, [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote: The only Mac that requires 60ns RAM before the PPCs is the 840AV, and it uses 72-pin SIMMs. the pickle Sorry, but then you forget f.e. the Q800 and the WGS 80. The Q800 and WGS 80 do not NEED 60nS RAM. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: More RAM
On 2002/07/29 20:31, Clark Martin, [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote:
The Q800 and WGS 80 do not NEED 60nS RAM.
Clark,
That means: You will say that, among other sources, everymac.com , Apple
Specs and all the official manuals are talking b...s...
Can you tell me why they all say: 60ns for Q800, Q840AV and WGS 80 ?
BTW: All my 4 Q800's are getting very instable using any RAM-stick slower
60ns. This happens with ALL RAM-comb., using 1, more or all sticks 60ns .
Don't tell me I'm the lucky owner of 4 exceptional Q800's!
{However I must say I sometimes meet Macs (made for the non-US-market) with
diff. specs, but concerning this?)
AAA: I'm very curious about your point of view.
Greetings,
Joe
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Re: Mac Collection and Addiction
Someone spoke of being a PhD and having better things to do with one's life than fooling around with old Macs. After having read the 3 or 4 Quadlists that came in from the weekend, I've kind of lost track of who it was, but I thought I might reply just the same. First off I can speak from experience. I am an advid collector of computers. My oldest being an IMSAI S-100 bus based computer, and going up through the various Commodore, TRS-80, and Atari lines of machines that were popular in the 1980's right on into the 90's with a Classic on the low end and a PowerMac 8500 on the higher end, and a IIci, a couple of IIvx's, and various other Lowend PowerMac and high end 68040 machines in between. First off my collection is housed in a self-storage faciility the size of a single car garage. I do this for 2 reasons. #1 it keeps the silly things from over-running my home. #2 it also gives me a place to work with them. I have a power-outlet and a bench out there. I find that the collection is a nice diversion. I work a lot. I work as a TV engineer for a local cable station. Being able to come home and induldge in my technical interests without having to worry about it being some mission critical thing is, for me, a release. Likewise, I find that working on the old equipment is actually helpful for my skills. The way I approach a problem with a piece of machinery is different because of it. I think about low-level events that may be going on with a machine. It creates a different mindset. Now, to the person who mentioned the Macs taking over his life. The only thing I could recommend is that if its not fun anymore, stop doing it. If it is still fun, then there's nothing really wrong with it. There are far worse things in the universe than a garage full of Macintoshes that actually give someone pleasure. If you feel you're out of control, then make a list. Inventory your Macintoshes and list by them why you like that machine. My list looks something like this: Computers in Use: 8500 - Edit Bay Computer 6100 - Home Desktop Computer IIci w/ PPC upgrade - Appletalk Server 636 w/ DOS- Work Desk Computer 630 - FTP Server 475 - Master Control Desk Computer SE/30 - Recepie Computer Classic - Bathroom Terminal IIcx w/ 68040 - Database Computer IIcx - Appletalk Router 486 Laptop- Test Bench Computer 486 Laptop- Portable Database Computer Pentium 100 - Win95/DOS Machine Compaq 486- MP3 Player (Stereo System) Apple IIGS- Main Apple IIe compatible fun Computer Commodore 128 - Main Commodore fun Computer Commodore 64/SX - Edit Bay Slate Display Computer Atari 800 - C/G Backup Slate Display 286 - Display Controller 286 - LPD Server 386/20- Internet Router 386/40- Commodore / Atari Internet Router Now this list doesn't even include every computer that I own, just the one's I use on a regular basis. You'll notice that some of the computers are put to use in my job doing various things. But that doesn't count for all of them. Several of the above are just listed as fun computers. That means they serve no purpose other than I like them. At any rate, by making a list you might figure out how you really use your computers. It would aid in culling some of your excess should you decide to ween yourself from a room full of Macintoshes, or you might even discover that you use more of them than you realize. At any rate, I hope this rambling post gives some help. I'm just giving some suggestions as a collector on how to manage the addiction. Good luck, David -P.S. now if only I could get that work Desk computer to behave itself with Excel. -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 630 Excel problems
Two questions: 1) Have you tried using one of the non-speadsheet import/export formats such as comma-separated valuse (*.csv) or tab-seperated values (*.txt)? This would let the Mac version of Excel create the spreadsheet in native format, rather than trying to translate an existing format. 2) Have you tried importing a version without the graphic? This would eliminate the need for Mac Excel to convert non-spreadsheet data. Yeah, I did try to .csv and .txt formats. And they do in fact work for bringing in the basic spreadsheet. Unforunately, you lose all formatting information. The spreadsheet in question is basically a form so it needs to be in its original formatting. That being said, it is a simple form. I'll have to try removing the graphic. I didn't think of it until you mentioned it, but it might be a sore spot. Still the graphic does get displayed in that milisecond when the whole spreadsheet is on the screen before the type-1 error raises its ugly head. So I suppose that the next move would be to remove features one by one until the spreadsheet imports correctly. It would be interesting to see which of the features are causing the crash. David -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 630 Excel problems
Try removing the graphic, converting it to a more Mac-friendly format, and pasting it back in later, after you've worked out the other kinks in the spreadsheet. I would definitely consider the graphic(s) to be the very first 'feature' to eliminate. Sp00ky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...snip...] Yeah, I did try to .csv and .txt formats. And they do in fact work for bringing in the basic spreadsheet. Unforunately, you lose all formatting information. The spreadsheet in question is basically a form so it needs to be in its original formatting. That being said, it is a simple form. I'll have to try removing the graphic. I didn't think of it until you mentioned it, but it might be a sore spot. Still the graphic does get displayed in that milisecond when the whole spreadsheet is on the screen before the type-1 error raises its ugly head. So I suppose that the next move would be to remove features one by one until the spreadsheet imports correctly. It would be interesting to see which of the features are causing the crash. -- Spiritus ex Machina No matter how paranoid you are, it isn't paranoid enough. -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: More RAM
At 9:12 PM +0200 7/29/02, J.M.P.Hissel wrote:
On 2002/07/29 20:31, Clark Martin, [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote:
The Q800 and WGS 80 do not NEED 60nS RAM.
Clark,
That means: You will say that, among other sources, everymac.com , Apple
Specs and all the official manuals are talking b...s...
Can you tell me why they all say: 60ns for Q800, Q840AV and WGS 80 ?
BTW: All my 4 Q800's are getting very instable using any RAM-stick slower
60ns. This happens with ALL RAM-comb., using 1, more or all sticks 60ns .
Don't tell me I'm the lucky owner of 4 exceptional Q800's!
{However I must say I sometimes meet Macs (made for the non-US-market) with
diff. specs, but concerning this?)
AAA: I'm very curious about your point of view.
Look at the Quadra 650 in those specs, it is the same MB as the Q800
and WGS80 but has 80nS RAM specified. I've used 70nS in several Q800
and a WGS 80 with no problem. In fact I had put 60nS in them at
first because of the incorrect info out there. But it wasn't
necessary.
Apple Spec and other sources are known for having errors. Apple
rarely corrects errors of this sort, especially once the model is out
of production. I suspect that Apple either made an error in the
original spec for the Q800 WGS80 or was being conservative and spec
them the same as the Q840AV.
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Redwood City, CA, USA
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Re: Trickle
On Tuesday, July 30, 2002, at 08:25 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would you know if Q605/LC475s and 6100s provide this trickle?. I'd imagine it's possible they don't, being manual-power-on machines... It'd be kinda typical if they don't, considering they suffer more than most macs from low/no pram battery charge - booting to no-video without a double-power-on. ^^^ Double-power-on?? Whuzzat? Turning the machine on... then off... then on again, to start up normally. It's one of those dud things when most Q605/475/6100's have flat pram batteries - the first power-on doesn't start them booting with any video, but the 2nd does, if done quickly enough dana -- unnaturally hosted on a Q605, http://www.danamania.com/ -- -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: NeXT ColorStation and Apple Multisync 17. Possible?
Hehe, I have such an adapter, I was just too shy to try ^_^ These NeXT computers are pretty hard to get and I am very happy to own one now. When I think that I got another Centris 660av for just 5 Euro on Ebay...Apple once positioned these AV macs to match the capabilities of the NeXT machines, if I am right. BTW, on my NeXT is a sticker reading MASS. INST. OF TECH., so I think this piece is truely pedigree :) Thank you for the support, James and Rob, and when it comes to a NeXT list, I will sign there, too. -Peter Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 19:07:40 -0600 From: Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: NeXT ColorStation and Apple Multisync 17. Possible? Message-id: 00e101c2369c$5719c560$6401a8c0@lan Any adapter is possible. If you look at the pinouts of the DB-15 (Apple) and the 13W3, it becomes fairly obvious how to make the adapter. If you prefer, the adapter that goes from HDB-15 (VGA) are always on Ebay, just make sure you get the right gender for your application. Then use a Mac to VGA adapter. Finding the 13W3 connector is going to be the most difficult part of making the adapter. I've got the adapter that connects a Sun monitor (13W3) to a VGA card and also the adapter that connects a VGA monitor to my Sun's (yes, I'm addicted!), but they are staying here... Rob -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: More RAM
At 21:12 +0200 29/07/02, J.M.P.Hissel wrote: Clark, That means: You will say that, among other sources, everymac.com , Apple Specs and all the official manuals are talking b...s... Can you tell me why they all say: 60ns for Q800, Q840AV and WGS 80 ? It seems to be a bit like the old IIfx and the black terminator thingy, some really needed it (mine sure did), others didn't. My Q800 was quite happy with a mix of 60ns and 70 ns ram sticks, but I've seen others that wasn't. Tina *^^*^^*^^*^^*^^*^^*^^*^^*^^*^^*^^*^^*^^*^^*^^*^^*^^*^^*^^* Tina Holm, Pederstrup Djurs, DK. MacTivist. Scandinavian Mac Mailinglist - Danish, Norwegian and Swedish Subscribtion: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tons of somewhat outdated Maclinks: http://www.nehaia.dk/mac *^^*^^*^^*^^*^^*^^*^^*^^*^^*^^*^^*^^*^^*^^*^^*^^*^^*^^*^^* -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Trickle
At 10:25 PM + 7/29/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would you know if Q605/LC475s and 6100s provide this trickle?. I'd imagine it's possible they don't, being manual-power-on machines... It'd be kinda typical if they don't, considering they suffer more than most macs from low/no pram battery charge - booting to no-video without a double-power-on. ^^^ Double-power-on?? Whuzzat? For machines with hard power control. Turn it on, wait, turn it off and flip it back on immediately (as fast as you can switch it off and on). Many machines with a dead battery that won't start will with this procedure. An alternative where feasible is to power on, wait and then do a reset. The video won't initialize on many machines if the battery is dead. Doing either of these procedures does a PRAM reset now that the power supply is up. It's a funny timing issue between the power supply and PRAM or something such. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: More RAM
On 2002/07/29 22:19, Clark Martin, [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote:
Look at the Quadra 650 in those specs, it is the same MB as the Q800
and WGS80 but has 80nS RAM specified. I've used 70nS in several Q800
and a WGS 80 with no problem. In fact I had put 60nS in them at
first because of the incorrect info out there. But it wasn't
necessary.
Believe me: I believe you concerning this. But I'm still curious about:
BTW: All my 4 Q800's are getting very instable using any RAM-stick slower
60ns. This happens with ALL RAM-comb., using 1, more or all sticks 60ns .
Don't tell me I'm the lucky owner of 4 exceptional Q800's!
{However I must say I sometimes meet Macs (made for the non-US-market) with
diff. specs, but concerning this?)
AAA: I'm very curious about your point of view.
Apple Spec and other sources are known for having errors. Apple
rarely corrects errors of this sort, especially once the model is out
of production. I suspect that Apple either made an error in the
original spec for the Q800 WGS80 or was being conservative and spec
them the same as the Q840AV.
Very reasonable explanation!
greetings,
Joe
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Re: More RAM
At 19:23 +0200 on 29/07/02, J.M.P.Hissel wrote: On 2002/07/29 00:24, the pickle, [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote: The only Mac that requires 60ns RAM before the PPCs is the 840AV, and it uses 72-pin SIMMs. the pickle Sorry, but then you forget f.e. the Q800 and the WGS 80. I know Apple says they require it, but every other spec I've seen says they work with 60ns RAM, and my experience with the Q800 suggests the same. Additionally, the Q800 and Q650 share the *exact* same motherboard, and the 650 only requires 80ns, further leading me to believe this is a bogus requirement. The 840 is a different matter; it's known that it doesn't work well with slower-than-60ns RAM. -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml Software Archive ftp://download:[EMAIL PROTECTED]//Users/thepickl/Sites/Archive/ http://www.members.jmug.org/%7Ethepickl/archive/ _ -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Q950 video problem
At 20:47 +0200 on 29/07/02, Noël Van Damme wrote: I picked up a Quadra 950, but when it boots, the screen is full of 'almost' (left slightly higher than right) horizontal lines (and a floppy with a blinking ?...) Any idea how to fix this? (The video problem. After that, I can install another HD) First thing I'd do is pull any extra installed VRAM, since bad VRAM chips often cause this. -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml Software Archive ftp://download:[EMAIL PROTECTED]//Users/thepickl/Sites/Archive/ http://www.members.jmug.org/%7Ethepickl/archive/ _ -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: CRT shocks
At 21:14 -0600 on 29/07/02, Dean Arthur wrote: ...Until then, I really wish people would stop perpetuating this myth. What myth? The myth that CRT shocks kill people. -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml Software Archive ftp://download:[EMAIL PROTECTED]//Users/thepickl/Sites/Archive/ http://www.members.jmug.org/%7Ethepickl/archive/ _ -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: More RAM
At 01:52 +0200 on 30/07/02, J.M.P.Hissel wrote: Believe me: I believe you concerning this. But I'm still curious about: BTW: All my 4 Q800's are getting very instable using any RAM-stick slower 60ns. This happens with ALL RAM-comb., using 1, more or all sticks 60ns . See what version of the RAM and clock controllers you have. -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml Software Archive ftp://download:[EMAIL PROTECTED]//Users/thepickl/Sites/Archive/ http://www.members.jmug.org/%7Ethepickl/archive/ _ -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: On nannying
Robert Gray wrote: I apologize to the rest of the list. This nastiness should not have had to be on-list. I'm always perplexed at statements such as this. Do the email clients people use in quads not allow them to change the address and respond directly rather than waste my bandwidth with apologies? I'm perplexed at grave diggers who exhume dead conversations to whine about bandwidth. William -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: why won't my Mac start?
At 21:15 -0500 on 29/07/02, John Teffer wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] please please help me get my MAC to start! Please, please, tell us what kind of Mac it is. And what those sounds are. -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml Software Archive ftp://download:[EMAIL PROTECTED]//Users/thepickl/Sites/Archive/ http://www.members.jmug.org/%7Ethepickl/archive/ _ -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: On nannying
on 7/29/02 10:10 PM, the pickle at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm perplexed at grave diggers who exhume dead conversations to whine about bandwidth. And I'm incredibly perplexed by the people who respond to them instead of just letting a sleeping dog lie. And yes, I realise the inherent hypocrisy in this message, but at least *I* can laugh at it instead of getting all snippy about it. Dueling Retentives: Banjo music maistro, if you please. -- All the best, R.A. Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: NeXT ColorStation and Apple Multisync 17. Possible?
So, are you gonna try using the adapter that you have? I'd be interested in knowing how it works (Just in case I decide to get a NeXT). I just made a deal to get a Sun 21 multisync monitor (trading it for an Apple 17), so I will have a monitor with the 13W3 built in, no need for an adapter... Rob - Original Message - From: Peter Heinemann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Quadlist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 4:59 PM Subject: Re: NeXT ColorStation and Apple Multisync 17. Possible? Hehe, I have such an adapter, I was just too shy to try ^_^ These NeXT computers are pretty hard to get and I am very happy to own one now. When I think that I got another Centris 660av for just 5 Euro on Ebay...Apple once positioned these AV macs to match the capabilities of the NeXT machines, if I am right. BTW, on my NeXT is a sticker reading MASS. INST. OF TECH., so I think this piece is truely pedigree :) Thank you for the support, James and Rob, and when it comes to a NeXT list, I will sign there, too. -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
