date:20140528

11 tall Acorn rando with Bertaud decalur, but this is also with a very 
tall head tube and taller stem on a 64 cm frame.  

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/700c/aP2050003.jpg
  

I think you could also make it work wiith a Nitto F-15 bag support on a 
smaller frame.  Michael, I sent you a pm trying to give you a Brooks saddle 
cover - did you receive it?  



On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 7:36:19 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:

  On 05/28/2014 08:21 AM, Michael Hechmer wrote:
  
 I posted this on the Lifestyles list but didn't get any feedback. 

  I use an Acorn Rondeneur bag on both my Saluki (62 CM/650B) with a VO 
 rack but no decaleur and on our Tandem (26 ) with an RBW Mark's rack and 
 no decaleur.  It works OK, but I am considering moving to a taller bag - 
 250 - 270mm, which would require a decaleur.  The VO website suggests that 
 neither the rack nor decaleur are guaranteed to work with a tall bag. 

  What rack  decaleurs are people using happily with these tall bags? 
  What problems have you had to overcome?
  
  
 AFAIK the Berthoud GB28 and its fancier cousin, the GB2886 are the tallest 
 bags out there.  I use both: the 2886 with Berthoud decaleurs, the GB28 
 with the VO decaleur.  Both work fine.  There's much more adjustability 
 with the Berthoud decaleur, virtually none other than the location of the 
 spacer in the stack on the steerer tube with the VO; presumably that's what 
 the not guaranteed to work means.  There's also no adjustability to speak 
 of with the Grand Bois decaleur.  You have to size the bag according to the 
 amount of space provided between the rack and the handlebar (underside of 
 the stem handlebar clamp bolt, actually, in the case of the Berthoud) or 
 the head tube (more accurately, the spacer surrounding the steerer tube to 
 which the VO decaleur mounts).

 As for racks, nothing very critical there.  I'm using a TA rack that bolts 
 to a Mafac Raid centerpull to support the GB28, and have used a Berthoud 
 front rack, a VO Randonneur front rack and a custom Mitch Pryor front rack 
 to support the GB2886.  You absolutely do need a rack, and it should have a 
 tombstone.   Here's a view of the GB2886 sitting on a Berthoud front 
 rack, supported by a Berthoud decaleur, on my (now Tony's) green Saluki 
 that illustrates the setup pretty well:


  

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Re: [RBW] Large Rando bag / rack / decaleur interface

2014-05-28 Thread David Yu Greenblatt

A big bike deserves a big bag.
Here's my custom RuthWorks SF bag by Ely Rodriguez:
https://flic.kr/p/iJwL8X
It's larger than any stock Berthoud. It sits on a rack and is attached to
the stem by a Grand Bois decaleur. As Steve P said, this decaleur is not
adjustable.
The large volume of the bag is great.

Ely makes beautiful bags.
Here's one of his bags (sans decaleur) on a lovely Routens-esque Weigle:
https://flic.kr/p/nFwpPT

Ely's Flickr photos:
https://flic.kr/ps/sxuCr https://www.flickr.com/photos/30037367@N03/

- David G in San Diego






On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 5:21 AM, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com wrote:

 I posted this on the Lifestyles list but didn't get any feedback.

 I use an Acorn Rondeneur bag on both my Saluki (62 CM/650B) with a VO rack
 but no decaleur and on our Tandem (26 ) with an RBW Mark's rack and no
 decaleur.  It works OK, but I am considering moving to a taller bag - 250 -
 270mm, which would require a decaleur.  The VO website suggests that
 neither the rack nor decaleur are guaranteed to work with a tall bag.

 What rack  decaleurs are people using happily with these tall bags?  What
 problems have you had to overcome?

 Michael



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[RBW] Re: Your pre-80's steel vs. today's steel bikes.

2014-05-28 Thread Anton Tutter

No Rivendells in my collection, but a bunch of other steel road bikes, from 
pre-80s up to 2013. How do these all compare?

1971 Mercian Olympic-- Reynolds 531, rides nice, fairly compliant, not the 
snappiest response to pedaling.

1982 Jack Taylor Tour of Britain-- Reynolds 531, rides incredibly smoothly 
and compliant. Snappy response to pedaling. The stays and fork blades are 
pencil thin, which may contribute.

1988 Trek 560-- TruTemper double butted tubing, rides nice but not great, 
fairly compliant.  Somewhat dead response to pedaling.

2013 Rawland Stag-- unkown double butted tubing (8/5/8 main tubes is all I 
know)-- has an overbuilt, stiff fork which compromises the ride quality, 
but the frame is very snappy in response to pedaling.

2014 Jeff Lyon L'Avecaise custom-- currently getting painted before 
delivery to me, unknown (to me) tubing, will have 7/4/7 TT, and thin, 
compliant Kaisei fork blades.  Was built to have a very compliant ride and 
snappy response. We'll see!

Interesting how two Reynolds 531 bikes can ride and feel differently (both 
bike have comparably supple and fast rolling tires, and similar overall 
builds). The devil is definitely in the details when it comes to bike 
handling and ride dynamics, and tubing is just one of many variables.

As far as standard off-the-shelf bikes go, one problem is that they have to 
be designed to work across the anthropometric range of rider metrics within 
a given frame size.  That is, a given size frame has to be strong enough to 
accomodate riders who may vary by as much as 100-150 lbs. i.e., there needs 
to be a certain level of robustness built in, at least to minimize the risk 
of potential frame failures.  Only a custom bike built to a rider's 
personal metrics will yield a frame that behaves exactly as the rider 
wants. Everything else is a compromise in some way or another.

Anton

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Re: [RBW] Re: Your pre-80's steel vs. today's steel bikes.

2014-05-28 Thread cyclotourist

Very interesting observation on the 531 bikes.

Cheers,
David

it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal





On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 7:15 AM, Anton Tutter atut...@gmail.com wrote:

 No Rivendells in my collection, but a bunch of other steel road bikes,
 from pre-80s up to 2013. How do these all compare?

 1971 Mercian Olympic-- Reynolds 531, rides nice, fairly compliant, not the
 snappiest response to pedaling.

 1982 Jack Taylor Tour of Britain-- Reynolds 531, rides incredibly smoothly
 and compliant. Snappy response to pedaling. The stays and fork blades are
 pencil thin, which may contribute.

 1988 Trek 560-- TruTemper double butted tubing, rides nice but not great,
 fairly compliant.  Somewhat dead response to pedaling.

 2013 Rawland Stag-- unkown double butted tubing (8/5/8 main tubes is all I
 know)-- has an overbuilt, stiff fork which compromises the ride quality,
 but the frame is very snappy in response to pedaling.

 2014 Jeff Lyon L'Avecaise custom-- currently getting painted before
 delivery to me, unknown (to me) tubing, will have 7/4/7 TT, and thin,
 compliant Kaisei fork blades.  Was built to have a very compliant ride and
 snappy response. We'll see!

 Interesting how two Reynolds 531 bikes can ride and feel differently (both
 bike have comparably supple and fast rolling tires, and similar overall
 builds). The devil is definitely in the details when it comes to bike
 handling and ride dynamics, and tubing is just one of many variables.

 As far as standard off-the-shelf bikes go, one problem is that they have
 to be designed to work across the anthropometric range of rider metrics
 within a given frame size.  That is, a given size frame has to be strong
 enough to accomodate riders who may vary by as much as 100-150 lbs. i.e.,
 there needs to be a certain level of robustness built in, at least to
 minimize the risk of potential frame failures.  Only a custom bike built to
 a rider's personal metrics will yield a frame that behaves exactly as the
 rider wants. Everything else is a compromise in some way or another.

 Anton

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Re: [RBW] Re: Your pre-80's steel vs. today's steel bikes.

also a stable that makes me drool - hope they're not in my size

On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 9:45:38 AM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 Very interesting observation on the 531 bikes. 

 Cheers,
 David

 it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal



  

 On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 7:15 AM, Anton Tutter atu...@gmail.comjavascript:
  wrote:

 No Rivendells in my collection, but a bunch of other steel road bikes, 
 from pre-80s up to 2013. How do these all compare?

 1971 Mercian Olympic-- Reynolds 531, rides nice, fairly compliant, not 
 the snappiest response to pedaling.

 1982 Jack Taylor Tour of Britain-- Reynolds 531, rides incredibly 
 smoothly and compliant. Snappy response to pedaling. The stays and fork 
 blades are pencil thin, which may contribute.

 1988 Trek 560-- TruTemper double butted tubing, rides nice but not great, 
 fairly compliant.  Somewhat dead response to pedaling.

 2013 Rawland Stag-- unkown double butted tubing (8/5/8 main tubes is all 
 I know)-- has an overbuilt, stiff fork which compromises the ride quality, 
 but the frame is very snappy in response to pedaling.

 2014 Jeff Lyon L'Avecaise custom-- currently getting painted before 
 delivery to me, unknown (to me) tubing, will have 7/4/7 TT, and thin, 
 compliant Kaisei fork blades.  Was built to have a very compliant ride and 
 snappy response. We'll see!

 Interesting how two Reynolds 531 bikes can ride and feel differently 
 (both bike have comparably supple and fast rolling tires, and similar 
 overall builds). The devil is definitely in the details when it comes to 
 bike handling and ride dynamics, and tubing is just one of many variables.

 As far as standard off-the-shelf bikes go, one problem is that they have 
 to be designed to work across the anthropometric range of rider metrics 
 within a given frame size.  That is, a given size frame has to be strong 
 enough to accomodate riders who may vary by as much as 100-150 lbs. i.e., 
 there needs to be a certain level of robustness built in, at least to 
 minimize the risk of potential frame failures.  Only a custom bike built to 
 a rider's personal metrics will yield a frame that behaves exactly as the 
 rider wants. Everything else is a compromise in some way or another.

 Anton

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Re: [RBW] Abridged summary of rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com - 78 updates in 17 topics

2014-05-28 Thread Deacon Patrick

Hey Marc,

I have no idea what you said, it's lost in the digest (that's the problem 
with using email to reply to digests -- it works for individual emails but 
not summaries or digests. To reply, you may want to use the link to the 
webpage for the thread and reply there?

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Abridged summary of rbw-o...@googlegroups.com - 78 updates in 17 topics

enjoyed reading through it

On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 10:00:47 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Hey Marc,

 I have no idea what you said, it's lost in the digest (that's the problem 
 with using email to reply to digests -- it works for individual emails but 
 not summaries or digests. To reply, you may want to use the link to the 
 webpage for the thread and reply there?

 With abandon,
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[RBW] Least quill stem extension possible? Nitto Dirt Drop?

2014-05-28 Thread Jeff Ong

You can go with one of the steel Dutch bike stems for really minimal reach 
(about 10mm). Something like this: 
http://www.dutchbikebits.com/index.php?route=product/productpath=37_55product_id=125

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[RBW] Habitual rides, riding habits

2014-05-28 Thread BenG

My favorite rides include my family. Yesterday wife, daughter and I rode to 
Memorial Day parade, then downtown for lunch, then to nearby town to mow 
in-laws' yard, then home. 4 legs, 30 mi total, great trails with my fav people. 
 We have it good.

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[RBW] Brooks saddle covers - what all works for you

2014-05-28 Thread Jeff Ong

I use the Aardvark ones, but after losing a couple, I thread a couple 
twist-ties through the fabric and around the saddle rails. When I want to take 
it off I can just pull it off and push it under the rails, leaving it attached 
with the ties.

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[RBW] Re: Recently joined the group; and now a new Riv [frame] owner

2014-05-28 Thread Victoria

Frank 
I do you by chance have a Betty Foy/Yves/Cheviot in your garage?  I would 
love to buy one but really would rather sit on one first to make sure we 
get along.  :)   I am in South florida and not seeing many from this area 
in here.   

Cheers 
Victoria 

On Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:35:33 PM UTC-5, frank_a wrote:


 Hello Tom, 
 Welcome to the group. I'm in the Ft. Lauderdale area. I've got a 
 garage full of Rivendells. Feel free to contact me if you want to try 
 something out. 
 - Frank 
 On Feb 26, 9:15 pm, Tom Goodmann tgoodm...@gmail.com wrote: 
  Just over an hour ago, I snagged the last Sam Hillborne frame from Riv 
 at 
  the sale price; I'm going to wait on the build a bit and think over 
 drops, 
  moustaches, or albies, but am leaning towards the albatross bars as 
  something new for me.  But really, I can't wait to try the new ride. 
  Much 
  appreciation to this welcoming group. Any Riv riders in South Florida? 


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[RBW] WTB: Roadeo 55cm

2014-05-28 Thread Ken D

I am in the market for a used Roadeo in 55cm.

Regards,
Ken

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[RBW] Re: Nanoreview, Barlow Pass 700x38C on Dyad

2014-05-28 Thread Deacon Patrick

Received and put on my new-to-me pre-broken in Barlow Pass tires on the 
Quickbeam and rode some dirt yesterday and an 8 mile paved backroad today 
(all in 40/16, co not too vertical at 500 ft. drop over 4 miles so 2% 
average grade). No wind, so pretty easy to compare with other rides on the 
Clement MSO's. Initial impressions:

Wow. Fast. Smooth. Fun. Quiet. Wow. This was also my general response to 
the MSO's when I first road them, in comparison to the 2.25 Smart Sams on 
the Hunqapillar. The difference is that much more yet again.

Heading down, I maxed out my gear a lot more and so coasted a lot more. I 
held speed on the rolling climbs far better and longer. There is a steep 
climb to get to Holy Rosary Chapel (my destination) that I enter into as 
fast as I can and see hot for up I need to stand to make it. I didn't need 
to stand. I coasted into the parking lot having world a lot less hard to 
get up the hill. I'm stunned at the difference.

If there is a noticeable difference in flats and descents, it's even more 
on the climbs. Returning home I was mostly spinning in the slowly spinning 
speed, faster than the typical easy end of hard pushing speed (if that 
makes any sense).

Dirt: will learn a lot more on longer rides, but handles the loose bits 
close to as well as the MSO's which surprised me. Not as much confidence in 
the curves, but surprisingly confident. I'm also a bit more timid in the 
gravel curves due to a tumble that cracked a rib and hyperextended all the 
toes on my right foot, so that could easily be me.

I do not use a computer or time my rides, so I can only go by these 
observations of semi-objective data points (due to the single speed and the 
only thing changing is the tires). But I love these tires so far and look 
forward to taking them on a longer ride once my cracked rib heals up).

Photos: https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/14104682109/

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Nanoreview, Barlow Pass 700x38C on Dyad

2014-05-28 Thread Tim Gavin

Glad you enjoyed the ride, Patrick.  I tried Grand Bois Lierre tires (also
38mm) when I did the 650b conversion on my Riv Road, and I love the mix of
speed and comfort they provide.  I've been riding them on gravel a lot
lately, and they're just fantastic.

I plan on trying the Loup Loup pass tires when I wear out the Lierres.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Your pre-80's steel vs. today's steel bikes.

2014-05-28 Thread Anton Tutter



Is this your size?

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2932/14260197545_96d9ce9656_b.jpg

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7268/7080957421_4422861e00_b.jpg

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3808/9591446516_742cf309ea_b.jpg






On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 10:49:09 AM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote:

 also a stable that makes me drool - hope they're not in my size

 On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 9:45:38 AM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 Very interesting observation on the 531 bikes. 

 Cheers,
 David

 it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal



  

 On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 7:15 AM, Anton Tutter atu...@gmail.com wrote:

 No Rivendells in my collection, but a bunch of other steel road bikes, 
 from pre-80s up to 2013. How do these all compare?

 1971 Mercian Olympic-- Reynolds 531, rides nice, fairly compliant, not 
 the snappiest response to pedaling.

 1982 Jack Taylor Tour of Britain-- Reynolds 531, rides incredibly 
 smoothly and compliant. Snappy response to pedaling. The stays and fork 
 blades are pencil thin, which may contribute.

 1988 Trek 560-- TruTemper double butted tubing, rides nice but not 
 great, fairly compliant.  Somewhat dead response to pedaling.

 2013 Rawland Stag-- unkown double butted tubing (8/5/8 main tubes is all 
 I know)-- has an overbuilt, stiff fork which compromises the ride quality, 
 but the frame is very snappy in response to pedaling.

 2014 Jeff Lyon L'Avecaise custom-- currently getting painted before 
 delivery to me, unknown (to me) tubing, will have 7/4/7 TT, and thin, 
 compliant Kaisei fork blades.  Was built to have a very compliant ride and 
 snappy response. We'll see!

 Interesting how two Reynolds 531 bikes can ride and feel differently 
 (both bike have comparably supple and fast rolling tires, and similar 
 overall builds). The devil is definitely in the details when it comes to 
 bike handling and ride dynamics, and tubing is just one of many variables.

 As far as standard off-the-shelf bikes go, one problem is that they have 
 to be designed to work across the anthropometric range of rider metrics 
 within a given frame size.  That is, a given size frame has to be strong 
 enough to accomodate riders who may vary by as much as 100-150 lbs. i.e., 
 there needs to be a certain level of robustness built in, at least to 
 minimize the risk of potential frame failures.  Only a custom bike built to 
 a rider's personal metrics will yield a frame that behaves exactly as the 
 rider wants. Everything else is a compromise in some way or another.

 Anton

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[RBW] Re: Bike Hammocking!

2014-05-28 Thread Montclair BobbyB

Tough to argue... that's about as good as it gets... 

On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 1:16:40 PM UTC-4, Liesl wrote:

 Here's a ride I highly recommend:  1) Pack the following:  a good book; a 
 small stove, teakettle, Aeropress/tea bags, and mugs; and a hammock with 
 its ropes.   2) Ride somewhere and find two trees that are the perfect 
 distance apart and in an area that feels perfect. 3) Set up your hammock, 
 4) brew up coffee or tea (or have another beverage of choice).  5) Get in 
 hammock and read blissfully. 6) Ride home.  Variations on a theme:  bring 
 cheese and fruit, a bottle of wine, maybe some bread.  Bring friends.  
 Substitute a backpacking chair for the hammock. You can ride to a spot 15 
 miles away or 15 blocks away.

 The one we did last Friday ranks as one of my favorite rides ever.

 happily yours, RCW


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[RBW] Re: Bullmoose On A Hilsen?

2014-05-28 Thread Montclair BobbyB

Rode my Bomba with the 150 Bullmoose bars...loved it.  I now have 2 other 
sets of Bullmoose (on my S1 and Schwinn Cimarron)... best bars ever (IMO). 
  I also have a set of the Bosco Bullmoose on my Trek 970... Jury still 
out... Definitely the coolest looking bars ever... not convinced I like em 
more than the regular Bullmoose.

I say go for it.

On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 10:51:39 PM UTC-4, Brian Campbell wrote:

 I have a set of Riv Bullmoose bars in my basement and was wondering if 
 anyone had installed a set on your AHH? I have 46cm Noodles on my Hilsen at 
 the moment and was wondering what the change might be like? They are 
 clearly over built for the bike but I was wondering if the added weight of 
 the bars had any effect in the handling?


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Re: [RBW] Re: Your pre-80's steel vs. today's steel bikes.

unfortunately close enough - thanks for the photos - real beauties

On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 10:32:21 AM UTC-5, Anton Tutter wrote:

 Is this your size?

 https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2932/14260197545_96d9ce9656_b.jpg

 https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7268/7080957421_4422861e00_b.jpg

 https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3808/9591446516_742cf309ea_b.jpg






 On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 10:49:09 AM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote:

 also a stable that makes me drool - hope they're not in my size

 On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 9:45:38 AM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 Very interesting observation on the 531 bikes. 

 Cheers,
 David

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 On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 7:15 AM, Anton Tutter atu...@gmail.com wrote:

 No Rivendells in my collection, but a bunch of other steel road bikes, 
 from pre-80s up to 2013. How do these all compare?

 1971 Mercian Olympic-- Reynolds 531, rides nice, fairly compliant, not 
 the snappiest response to pedaling.

 1982 Jack Taylor Tour of Britain-- Reynolds 531, rides incredibly 
 smoothly and compliant. Snappy response to pedaling. The stays and fork 
 blades are pencil thin, which may contribute.

 1988 Trek 560-- TruTemper double butted tubing, rides nice but not 
 great, fairly compliant.  Somewhat dead response to pedaling.

 2013 Rawland Stag-- unkown double butted tubing (8/5/8 main tubes is 
 all I know)-- has an overbuilt, stiff fork which compromises the ride 
 quality, but the frame is very snappy in response to pedaling.

 2014 Jeff Lyon L'Avecaise custom-- currently getting painted before 
 delivery to me, unknown (to me) tubing, will have 7/4/7 TT, and thin, 
 compliant Kaisei fork blades.  Was built to have a very compliant ride and 
 snappy response. We'll see!

 Interesting how two Reynolds 531 bikes can ride and feel differently 
 (both bike have comparably supple and fast rolling tires, and similar 
 overall builds). The devil is definitely in the details when it comes to 
 bike handling and ride dynamics, and tubing is just one of many variables.

 As far as standard off-the-shelf bikes go, one problem is that they 
 have to be designed to work across the anthropometric range of rider 
 metrics within a given frame size.  That is, a given size frame has to be 
 strong enough to accomodate riders who may vary by as much as 100-150 lbs. 
 i.e., there needs to be a certain level of robustness built in, at least 
 to 
 minimize the risk of potential frame failures.  Only a custom bike built 
 to 
 a rider's personal metrics will yield a frame that behaves exactly as the 
 rider wants. Everything else is a compromise in some way or another.

 Anton

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[RBW] FS: Nitto lugged seatpost $150 including shipping to lower 48. Apologies for cross-posting

2014-05-28 Thread Christian

Hi All, 

I have a barely used Nitto Lugged 27.2 seatpost for sale.  Minimal 
insertion marks; used for a couple of months.  

Thanks for looking 

Christian 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/cwmcmillen/sets/72157644700465214/

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[RBW] Best spray lube for pivots, pulleys

2014-05-28 Thread Patrick Moore

What is the best spray lube for brake, derailleur pivots and pulleys? It
would be nice to find something at True Value that is not priced at
bike-specific prices. I imagine something that is thick enough to do some
good -- no Silicon spray or WD 40 --  but that doesn't leave an oily
residue -- a dry type lube, in fact, if those can be delivered by
fluorocarbons or substitutes. I expect that the pollution I'll save by not
spraying bottled stuff all over the floor and rags will compensate for the
delivery aerosol. I don't want a Phil oil type of lube.

Also, what do all y'all use to lubricate clipless pedal mechs? I use a
dry lube including ProLink and the long-remaining quantity of a large
bottle of White Lightning, which I dislike for chains.

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Where is there a place for you to be? No place.*
* Nothing outside you can give you any place, he said. You needn't to
look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind
it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into
somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your
daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is
all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was
any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there,
because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and where
in your time and your body can they be?*
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Show me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place where
Jesus had redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but which of
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[RBW] Re: Your pre-80's steel vs. today's steel bikes.

2014-05-28 Thread Jim M.

On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 7:15:09 AM UTC-7, Anton Tutter wrote:

 Interesting how two Reynolds 531 bikes can ride and feel differently (both 
 bike have comparably supple and fast rolling tires, and similar overall 
 builds). The devil is definitely in the details when it comes to bike 
 handling and ride dynamics, and tubing is just one of many variables.


Are they the same type of 531? There were around 10 different types of 531 
with some designed lighter than others.

If I was in the DC area and wanted to try different steel bikes, I'd head 
to Mt Airy Cycles http://bike123.com/used_bikes/used_bikeslist.php 
They have a huge inventory of used bikes, many of which are older steel 
ones. I think the prices are a bit high, but it doesn't cost anything to 
try them. 

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[RBW] Re: Best spray lube for pivots, pulleys

Patrick, I use Boeshield (spray), the lubricant it leaves behind is a wax, 
but it also has corrosion inhibitors.  I use it on very valuable antique 
fishing reels (mine and OPs) as well.  
I actually like the White Lightning for chains, but only if you apply and 
then wipe off everything you possibly can.  

On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 12:06:47 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:

 What is the best spray lube for brake, derailleur pivots and pulleys? It 
 would be nice to find something at True Value that is not priced at 
 bike-specific prices. I imagine something that is thick enough to do some 
 good -- no Silicon spray or WD 40 --  but that doesn't leave an oily 
 residue -- a dry type lube, in fact, if those can be delivered by 
 fluorocarbons or substitutes. I expect that the pollution I'll save by not 
 spraying bottled stuff all over the floor and rags will compensate for the 
 delivery aerosol. I don't want a Phil oil type of lube.

 Also, what do all y'all use to lubricate clipless pedal mechs? I use a 
 dry lube including ProLink and the long-remaining quantity of a large 
 bottle of White Lightning, which I dislike for chains.

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   * Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to 
 never was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from 
 it. Where is there a place for you to be? No place.*
 * Nothing outside you can give you any place, he said. You needn't to 
 look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind 
 it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into 
 somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your 
 daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is 
 all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was 
 any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there, 
 because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and where 
 in your time and your body can they be?*
 *  Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you? he cried. 
 Show me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place where 
 Jesus had redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but which of 
 you can find it?” -- Flannery O'Connor, Wise Blood  *
  

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[RBW] Re: Bike Hammocking!

2014-05-28 Thread Coconutbill



  I do the bike somewhere, brew up a coffee, hang up a hammock and read..

but I think you've discovered what would truly be the most serene , 
beautiful place to do that!

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[RBW] Re: Your pre-80's steel vs. today's steel bikes.

2014-05-28 Thread RoadieRyan

Man my dumpster never has anything that cool in it!  what a find.  I have 
to search craigslist and spend $$ to find things like this 78 Motobecane 
Grand 
Touring https://www.flickr.com/photos/ryans_rando/sets/72157644895050544/ 

On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 12:57:31 AM UTC-7, Coconutbill wrote:

 I found this pre-80s (notice the 1974 dated sticker) Flandria in a rubble 
 pile at school. Its the time of year when bikes are finally have their 
 locks cut after years of being chained . the bike has no chain, needs 
 cables replaced, rusted all around ... but yet, it's a thing of beauty. 
 steel. 

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[RBW] Re: Large Rando bag / rack / decaleur interface

2014-05-28 Thread Michael Hechmer

Thanks, Steve, Ron,  David.  The information is very useful.  I did not 
understand how adjustable the Bertoud decaleur was, vs the VO.  But the 
questions just seem to get more complicated instead of less.  I have the VO 
rack with the integrated receiver on the Saluki, but no darn decaleur!  It 
looks like the bag support would mate up perfectly with my current Acorn 
bag but may not with the taller Acorn bag.  Even if it did I wouldn't be 
able to use it on the tandem, which has about 300mm to the stack.  I could 
use the Bertoud on either but would need to buy two of the $85 decaleurs. 
Ouch.
Also taking the bag off and back on looks significantly more cumbersome on 
the Bertoud, and I do that a lot.  Am I wrong about that?

I don't like the buckles on the 2886 and I don't like the attachment strap 
on the 28.  The Acorn is a little smaller but I like the way all the 
pockets close.

Lots of choices, including just keeping the smaller rando bag and living 
with it.  Perhaps I should contact Acorn and find out the ht of the leather 
attachment point difference for the two bags.  If it does. it might be 
cheepers to get a  second VO rack.

The RuthWorks bag looks nice but without a web site its hard to know.

Michael






On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 8:21:14 AM UTC-4, Michael Hechmer wrote:

 I posted this on the Lifestyles list but didn't get any feedback.

 I use an Acorn Rondeneur bag on both my Saluki (62 CM/650B) with a VO rack 
 but no decaleur and on our Tandem (26 ) with an RBW Mark's rack and no 
 decaleur.  It works OK, but I am considering moving to a taller bag - 250 - 
 270mm, which would require a decaleur.  The VO website suggests that 
 neither the rack nor decaleur are guaranteed to work with a tall bag.

 What rack  decaleurs are people using happily with these tall bags?  What 
 problems have you had to overcome?

 Michael



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[RBW] Brake Bridge Fender Mount. Drill tap?

2014-05-28 Thread David Banzer

The latest Riv Custom on the Blug shows a rear brake bridge with a direct 
fender mount. My Redwood lacks said mount, but has the same cube in the middle. 
Is it safe to drill and tap the bottom side for a fender mount? Good idea/bad 
idea?
David
Chicago

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[RBW] Re: Large Rando bag / rack / decaleur interface

2014-05-28 Thread Mike Schiller

the Berthoud decaleur comes off by just sliding the pin out. Easy peasy.  I 
think they are the best designed on the market.  

You could have a frame builder make up a fixed position upper mount if you 
switch the same bag between two bikes.  I did that and it was cheaper than 
buying another decaleur assy.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/37347002@N05/6786437747/

~mike
Carlsbad Ca


On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 5:21:14 AM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:

 I posted this on the Lifestyles list but didn't get any feedback.

 I use an Acorn Rondeneur bag on both my Saluki (62 CM/650B) with a VO rack 
 but no decaleur and on our Tandem (26 ) with an RBW Mark's rack and no 
 decaleur.  It works OK, but I am considering moving to a taller bag - 250 - 
 270mm, which would require a decaleur.  The VO website suggests that 
 neither the rack nor decaleur are guaranteed to work with a tall bag.

 What rack  decaleurs are people using happily with these tall bags?  What 
 problems have you had to overcome?

 Michael


 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Large Rando bag / rack / decaleur interface

2014-05-28 Thread David Yu Greenblatt

 RuthWorks SF website:
http://ruthworkssf.blogspot.com/p/prices-and-ordering.html




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  snip

 The RuthWorks bag looks nice but without a web site its hard to know.

 Michael



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[RBW] Re: Large Rando bag / rack / decaleur interface

Michael, I think you need to consider the Bertaud decaleur a permanent part 
of one bike - you really can't easily move the bike side of the decaleur 
from bike to bike - the bolt that holds it on becomes the handlebar bolt in 
your stem.  .  

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/700c/aaaP1110011.jpg
It's like you need one on each bike, but one you only need one total on a 
bag.  I would call the guys at Boulder and discuss your need - they are 
really good on the phone, and may be able to sell you two bike-side 
decaleur mounts with one bag-side mount...

On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 1:39:33 PM UTC-5, Michael Hechmer wrote:

 Thanks, Steve, Ron,  David.  The information is very useful.  I did not 
 understand how adjustable the Bertoud decaleur was, vs the VO.  But the 
 questions just seem to get more complicated instead of less.  I have the VO 
 rack with the integrated receiver on the Saluki, but no darn decaleur!  It 
 looks like the bag support would mate up perfectly with my current Acorn 
 bag but may not with the taller Acorn bag.  Even if it did I wouldn't be 
 able to use it on the tandem, which has about 300mm to the stack.  I could 
 use the Bertoud on either but would need to buy two of the $85 decaleurs. 
 Ouch.
 Also taking the bag off and back on looks significantly more cumbersome on 
 the Bertoud, and I do that a lot.  Am I wrong about that?

 I don't like the buckles on the 2886 and I don't like the attachment strap 
 on the 28.  The Acorn is a little smaller but I like the way all the 
 pockets close.

 Lots of choices, including just keeping the smaller rando bag and living 
 with it.  Perhaps I should contact Acorn and find out the ht of the leather 
 attachment point difference for the two bags.  If it does. it might be 
 cheepers to get a  second VO rack.

 The RuthWorks bag looks nice but without a web site its hard to know.

 Michael






 On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 8:21:14 AM UTC-4, Michael Hechmer wrote:

 I posted this on the Lifestyles list but didn't get any feedback.

 I use an Acorn Rondeneur bag on both my Saluki (62 CM/650B) with a VO 
 rack but no decaleur and on our Tandem (26 ) with an RBW Mark's rack and 
 no decaleur.  It works OK, but I am considering moving to a taller bag - 
 250 - 270mm, which would require a decaleur.  The VO website suggests that 
 neither the rack nor decaleur are guaranteed to work with a tall bag.

 What rack  decaleurs are people using happily with these tall bags? 
  What problems have you had to overcome?

 Michael



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[RBW] Re: Your pre-80's steel vs. today's steel bikes.

2014-05-28 Thread gunnara

Tony - that other Mercian is not mine, just someone elses bike i like. The 
shifter for the Speedhub comes from Gilles Berthoud. I reamed it to 26mm so it 
fits the sleeve of the handlebars, guided the brake cable only in its liner 
through the grip, this way it still fits.
 Guess you saw these british lightweights with hub gear and hub dynamo, I like 
them a lot. The geometry is what the Taylor brothers did back in the time. The 
stem comes from the mid 80s when Bridgestone touring bikes where fitted with 
these. For my length I had to go to Specialized who let Nitto build these stems 
in 135mm, also in that time, they are hard to get by these days.
Gunnar.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Large Rando bag / rack / decaleur interface


On 05/28/2014 02:39 PM, Michael Hechmer wrote:
Thanks, Steve, Ron,  David.  The information is very useful.  I did 
not understand how adjustable the Bertoud decaleur was, vs the VO.


Yes, the arms pivot through a range of at least several cm. on the 
Berthoud; the other, male on the bag, female on the bike style once 
installed has zero adjustment, and during installation has at best only 
what's possible in the spacer stack (for the VO); the Nitto/Grand Bois 
style has no vertical adjustment at all.  Pretty much, you have to start 
with the bike setup and size the height of the bag to fit the space 
available.


But the questions just seem to get more complicated instead of less. 
 I have the VO rack with the integrated receiver on the Saluki, but no 
darn decaleur!  It looks like the bag support would mate up perfectly 
with my current Acorn bag but may not with the taller Acorn bag.  Even 
if it did I wouldn't be able to use it on the tandem, which has about 
300mm to the stack.  I could use the Bertoud on either but would need 
to buy two of the $85 decaleurs. Ouch.
Also taking the bag off and back on looks significantly more 
cumbersome on the Bertoud, and I do that a lot.  Am I wrong about that?


It definitely takes longer to remove the bag from the Berthoud decaleur: 
you remove the cotter pin (I put that in quotes because I use a 
Clippiola paper clip) and withdraw the rod, then remove the bag and 
replace the rod.  A little fiddly, but not really cumbersome.  It 
takes less to remove the bag with the VO, Grand Bois and Nitto style 
decaleurs... except that because the bag comes off more easily, you may 
want to secure it with a small strap lest it bounce off on a 
rough/washboard/rutted/potholed section (and that can become downright 
dangerous if it falls in front of your wheel!) and then you have to 
unstrap the strap as well as lift the bag off, so 6 of 1, half/dozen 
t'other.


As has been pointed out, the part that attaches to the bike is a 
permanent fixture, regardless of what style decaleur you use.  The bag 
and its half of the decaleur can move from bike to bike, and I do that.





I don't like the buckles on the 2886 and I don't like the attachment 
strap on the 28.


Attachment strap?  You mean the elastic cord?  It's a very simple, 
secure and popular method.  Replacement elastic is available.




The Acorn is a little smaller but I like the way all the pockets close.

Lots of choices, including just keeping the smaller rando bag and 
living with it.  Perhaps I should contact Acorn and find out the ht of 
the leather attachment point difference for the two bags.  If it does. 
it might be cheepers to get a  second VO rack.


Honestly, when you're talking about bags that run in the $300 range, the 
price of a decaleur is really small potatoes and should be considered 
the cost of doing business.





The RuthWorks bag looks nice but without a web site its hard to know.




There are several excellent US bag manufacturers now.  It's nice to see 
that happening.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Large Rando bag / rack / decaleur interface


On 05/28/2014 02:52 PM, Mike Schiller wrote:
the Berthoud decaleur comes off by just sliding the pin out. Easy 
peasy.  I think they are the best designed on the market.


The tricky part is inserting the rod, because you have to line up the 
tubes on the bag with the tubes that are part of the decaleur, and 
that's a little bit fiddly.  Then, also there's the matter if inserting 
the pin, which can be tricky if you are farsighted and it's dark (say, 
like in my basement).




You could have a frame builder make up a fixed position upper mount if 
you switch the same bag between two bikes.  I did that and it was 
cheaper than buying another decaleur assy.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/37347002@N05/6786437747/


Nice!  Although it totally eliminates the adjustability of the Berthoud 
decaleur, it also eliminates the possibility of the attachment bolts 
rattling out.   What would something like that cost?



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Re: [RBW] Re: BB length for Atlantis with White VBC cranks?

2014-05-28 Thread Mark Reimer

Rob,

thanks for the tips. Sorry to have delayed my reply. You are correct, these 
cranks are new. I had also wondered about the condition of the crank arms, 
but thankfully they seem to be in great shape. I can torque the arms down 
to 30 ft lbs and based on my eyeball measurements, I'd say I have 3-4 mm 
between the end of the spindle and the end of the crank arms. So the crank 
bolts aren't bottoming out or anything. (I used some 'normal' crank bolts, 
not the self extracting, so i just unscrewed them and could see how far the 
cranks had been pushed onto the spindle).

I'd say that at this point, I can definitively say that my problem is 
simply that the chain stays on the Atlantis do not accomodate chain rings 
as large as 46/36 without having at least a 122-124mm bottom bracket. 

Currently I have a 127.5 and there is about 3-4mm between the chain stay 
and chainring bolts. If I double that and subtract it from the spindle 
length, it suggests a  121.5mm spindle would cause the bolts to just touch 
the frame. 

I've ordered new rings for the cranks - 44/30. That will allow for a much 
narrower spindle since the chain ring and bolts will have a smaller radius. 
A 121 would easily work. Mark from Riv used a 118mm bb with 44/30 rings and 
the road VBC crank arms on his Hunqapillar and while it technically worked, 
he said the crank arms were a bit too close to the frame for comfort. They 
currently reside on his Homer with a 113mm bb. Using the ENO arms, I will 
have more clearance and anticipate a 118mm will be fine on the Atlantis. 



On Friday, May 23, 2014 6:17:57 PM UTC-5, rperks wrote:

 Mark,
 I am correct in thinking that you picked up these cranks used?  and if you 
 have a 113 bb spindle, new or in good shape, can you put the arms on said 
 spindle out of the bike, so that the arms are across from each other, and 
 torque down to spec of 30 ft lbs?  From there it should be easy to measure 
 the Q factor with a tape measure or ruler.  I am wondering if the arms had 
 previously been off and on, or run loose and the tapers are slightly 
 buggered.  This could cause them to run up on the spindle tapers and give 
 you a false impression of fit with a specified spindle.  This still puts 
 you back at a point of trial and error to get them working.

 My only concern is if you are needing a bb spindle that long it means you 
 quite possible are having 14.5 mm of creep split up in some portion of each 
 arm.  I am guessing these have the self extracting bolts, and yo may not be 
 seeing how close these are to having the bolt bottom out on the spindle 
 end.  You may get these to work on a longer spindle, but is the tapers are 
 that far out of spec you may honestly want to start thinking about safety 
 of use.  

 That all said, even with the math WI recommends, a 36 inner ring is pretty 
 big and may be a portion of the multi faceted problem.  First thing I would 
 do is confirm Q on a known accurate spindle, and make sure you are remotely 
 within tolerance.  From there if you want to use the cranks you will also 
 have a new baseline for you calculations on where it all sits in space.

 Another thing to consider is the differences between spindles.  I have 
 installed the VBC on WI, SKF, Shimano and IRD 113 bottom brackets.  They 
 are all close, but there is still a bit over a mm in spread of where the 
 chain line ends up.  That said, once the chain is on and you are rolling it 
 is all about the same.

 Rob
 (the only thing worse than professional liability for answering questions, 
 is answering questions about used parts and stuff you talk about on the 
 internet ;-) )
 Ventura, Ca


 On Thursday, May 22, 2014 2:50:59 PM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:

 Realized after posting that you likely were referring to the 46/36 chain 
 ring sizes as being a road double, not the actual crank arms. My mistake. 
 Ride your bike!

 On Thursday, May 22, 2014 4:47:57 PM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:

 The ENO crank is not a road double actually, it is a mountain double 
 crank. VBC cranks are offered in two variations - road and mountain. ENO 
 cranks are the single speed and mountain double arms. The cranks I have are 
 designed with wide chain stays in mind, so this should work. I always knew 
 the Atlantis had wide stays, but after seeing a few photos of this 
 combination online, I wasn't expecting any troubles.

 The only reason this is getting complicated is because the instructions 
 provided by White Industries themselves generated a BB length that simply 
 made no sense - well over 140mm.

 So in some ways, I agree - my first step was to use the 
 manufacturer-provided guidelines for calculating bottom brackets. This 
 generated questionable results, so that lead me to option two: ask the 
 owners group if anyone is running the same combination and can share their 
 BB length. Since that didn't turn anything up either, I asked the 
 manufacturer if I was using their formula correctly. And then, like you

Re: [RBW] Re: Large Rando bag / rack / decaleur interface

I've shown this photo before, um, even on this thread  - another use of 
acorn leather washers 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/700c/aP2050003.jpg

Before I put these on, I rattled out an M5 on the first ride.  I check 
tightness on these infrequently but have never lost another bolt, nor 
really had to tighten them again.  In addition to absorbing vibration, 
compression of the leather washer squeezes the M5 thread, making it a 
better lock washer.  


On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 2:45:50 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:

 On 05/28/2014 02:52 PM, Mike Schiller wrote: 
  the Berthoud decaleur comes off by just sliding the pin out. Easy 
  peasy.  I think they are the best designed on the market. 

 The tricky part is inserting the rod, because you have to line up the 
 tubes on the bag with the tubes that are part of the decaleur, and 
 that's a little bit fiddly.  Then, also there's the matter if inserting 
 the pin, which can be tricky if you are farsighted and it's dark (say, 
 like in my basement). 

  
  You could have a frame builder make up a fixed position upper mount if 
  you switch the same bag between two bikes.  I did that and it was 
  cheaper than buying another decaleur assy. 
  https://www.flickr.com/photos/37347002@N05/6786437747/ 

 Nice!  Although it totally eliminates the adjustability of the Berthoud 
 decaleur, it also eliminates the possibility of the attachment bolts 
 rattling out.   What would something like that cost? 




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Re: [RBW] Re: Large Rando bag / rack / decaleur interface



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/700c/aP2050007.jpg

better view of the leather washers


On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 3:06:25 PM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:

 I've shown this photo before, um, even on this thread  - another use of 
 acorn leather washers 


 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/700c/aP2050003.jpg

 Before I put these on, I rattled out an M5 on the first ride.  I check 
 tightness on these infrequently but have never lost another bolt, nor 
 really had to tighten them again.  In addition to absorbing vibration, 
 compression of the leather washer squeezes the M5 thread, making it a 
 better lock washer.  


 On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 2:45:50 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:

 On 05/28/2014 02:52 PM, Mike Schiller wrote: 
  the Berthoud decaleur comes off by just sliding the pin out. Easy 
  peasy.  I think they are the best designed on the market. 

 The tricky part is inserting the rod, because you have to line up the 
 tubes on the bag with the tubes that are part of the decaleur, and 
 that's a little bit fiddly.  Then, also there's the matter if inserting 
 the pin, which can be tricky if you are farsighted and it's dark (say, 
 like in my basement). 

  
  You could have a frame builder make up a fixed position upper mount if 
  you switch the same bag between two bikes.  I did that and it was 
  cheaper than buying another decaleur assy. 
  https://www.flickr.com/photos/37347002@N05/6786437747/ 

 Nice!  Although it totally eliminates the adjustability of the Berthoud 
 decaleur, it also eliminates the possibility of the attachment bolts 
 rattling out.   What would something like that cost? 




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Re: [RBW] Re: Large Rando bag / rack / decaleur interface

2014-05-28 Thread Joe Bunik

Tangential q: is there a source for an additional set of Berthoud bag
hardware (i.e. just the tubes that mount to the bag)?

=- Joe Bunik
Walnut Creek, CA

On 5/28/14, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote:


 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/700c/aP2050007.jpg

 better view of the leather washers


 On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 3:06:25 PM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:

 I've shown this photo before, um, even on this thread  - another use of
 acorn leather washers


 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/700c/aP2050003.jpg

 Before I put these on, I rattled out an M5 on the first ride.  I check
 tightness on these infrequently but have never lost another bolt, nor
 really had to tighten them again.  In addition to absorbing vibration,
 compression of the leather washer squeezes the M5 thread, making it a
 better lock washer.


 On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 2:45:50 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:

 On 05/28/2014 02:52 PM, Mike Schiller wrote:
  the Berthoud decaleur comes off by just sliding the pin out. Easy
  peasy.  I think they are the best designed on the market.

 The tricky part is inserting the rod, because you have to line up the
 tubes on the bag with the tubes that are part of the decaleur, and
 that's a little bit fiddly.  Then, also there's the matter if inserting
 the pin, which can be tricky if you are farsighted and it's dark (say,
 like in my basement).

 
  You could have a frame builder make up a fixed position upper mount if
 
  you switch the same bag between two bikes.  I did that and it was
  cheaper than buying another decaleur assy.
  https://www.flickr.com/photos/37347002@N05/6786437747/

 Nice!  Although it totally eliminates the adjustability of the Berthoud
 decaleur, it also eliminates the possibility of the attachment bolts
 rattling out.   What would something like that cost?




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[RBW] Re: Your pre-80's steel vs. today's steel bikes.

2014-05-28 Thread Anton Tutter

Honestly I have no idea.  Both are double butted, but beyond that I really 
have no clue.  The Mercian bare frame is slightly heavier than the JT's, so 
they may in fact be different 531 variants.

Anton


Are they the same type of 531? There were around 10 different types of 531 
 with some designed lighter than others.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Large Rando bag / rack / decaleur interface


On 05/28/2014 04:17 PM, Joe Bunik wrote:

Tangential q: is there a source for an additional set of Berthoud bag
hardware (i.e. just the tubes that mount to the bag)?


I would write Gilles Berthoud if I were looking for that.  I wrote him 
once back in 2005 via the web form with a question and he replied right 
away. http://www.gillesberthoud.fr/anglais/contact/index.php  for a web 
form.


Back in 2005 his email was gilles.berth...@wanadoo.fr or 
cont...@gillesberthoud.fr



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[RBW] Bait Bike

Bicycle theft has occasionally been a sore subject in here.

Some folks are doing 
somethinghttp://www.nytimes.com/video/us/10002896894/is-this-a-bait-bike.htmlabout
 it.

~Tom


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[RBW] Re: Best spray lube for pivots, pulleys

2014-05-28 Thread 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch

Here's what I use for everything; chain, pivots, etc.   You can get it at 
Lowe's Home Improvement Center's for $5.99.

http://www.lowes.com/pd_213197-39963-D00110101_0__



On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 10:06:47 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 What is the best spray lube for brake, derailleur pivots and pulleys? It 
 would be nice to find something at True Value that is not priced at 
 bike-specific prices. I imagine something that is thick enough to do some 
 good -- no Silicon spray or WD 40 --  but that doesn't leave an oily 
 residue -- a dry type lube, in fact, if those can be delivered by 
 fluorocarbons or substitutes. I expect that the pollution I'll save by not 
 spraying bottled stuff all over the floor and rags will compensate for the 
 delivery aerosol. I don't want a Phil oil type of lube.

 Also, what do all y'all use to lubricate clipless pedal mechs? I use a 
 dry lube including ProLink and the long-remaining quantity of a large 
 bottle of White Lightning, which I dislike for chains.

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 * Nothing outside you can give you any place, he said. You needn't to 
 look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind 
 it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into 
 somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your 
 daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is 
 all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was 
 any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there, 
 because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and where 
 in your time and your body can they be?*
 *  Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you? he cried. 
 Show me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place where 
 Jesus had redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but which of 
 you can find it?” -- Flannery O'Connor, Wise Blood  *
  

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[RBW] collection: most rivendell readers and a bunch of bicycle quarterly

2014-05-28 Thread erik jensen

In a moment of transition I am thinning my bookcase, so my loved collection
of rivendell readers is ready to find a new home. Finding these and
learning through the page was a great experience, so I hope someone else
can find that with them. I also have a collection of bicycle quarterly that
I am including in the sale.

Overall condition is good, there's a coffee ring here and there, an
underlined thing or two. They have been handed down to me, and so the cycle
will continue.

Sold as a complete set only. Includes

-rivendell readers 13-40. missing 19, 21. but multiples of many, so you'll
have some extras to share with your friends or enemies. over 30 total.

-rivendell catalogs, seven of em, from 04 to 08. a rambouillet flyer too.

-bicycle quarterly 2.2-6.3 (4 editions per volume), summer 08, autumn 08,
autumn 09. 21 of em.

*75 shipped*

Get money in paypal by tomorrow and you'll catch me before I leave town for
a week (-long tour).

Cheers,

erik

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[RBW] Re: Least quill stem extension possible? Nitto Dirt Drop?

2014-05-28 Thread 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch

I really think you should reconsider.  Instead of an excessively short stem 
you should (IMO) look at some swept back bars like the Albatross's or  
Bosco's.

Matt

On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 2:00:36 PM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:

 I have a 1992 model Cannondale M500 mountain bike that I bought new in 
 college for commuting to class, but I don't ride it nowadays.  My wife did 
 express some interest in using it and after taking some measurements from 
 her road bike, I think it could work if I could get a quill stem with a 
 very short amount of extension.  What quill stem has the least amount?  Is 
 it the Nitto Dirt Drop?  I noticed that Kalloy also offers a stem called 
 the Dirt Drop.  Basically I'd like to set it up with the existing flat bars.

 Another interesting thing about the current stem is that the front brake 
 cable goes right through the middle of it.  Not looking to replicate that 
 setup with the new stem.

 A black stem would go better with the bike's color scheme.

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[RBW] Re: Your pre-80's steel vs. today's steel bikes.

2014-05-28 Thread Garth



   In hindsight , I am quite thankful now that I got one of the last 531 ST 
tube sets when I had my Franklin frame built in 1999.   The ST sets stood 
for super tourist, basically slightly heavier gauge tubes .  Mine is 
sport touring geometry as it was called back then, which is similar to 
many Riv's these days except the BB isn't as low, which makes no difference 
to me as it handles and feels wonderfully (At both high and super slow 
speeds)  .I also specified 18 chain stays and a long top , 62cm. top 
tube , head tube extension, and a 135mm rear .  Love this bike !!

I has a Gitane racing bike in the 80's that used 531C , and it was sweet 
too, but it got damaged in a crash .   It was too small for me for anyways 
. . .   Always love classic Reynolds Tubes . 

Everyone should love this link :
http://www.equusbicycle.com/bike/reynolds/constructorstubeguide.htm
http://www.equusbicycle.com/bike/

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[RBW] Re: collection: most rivendell readers and a bunch of bicycle quarterly

2014-05-28 Thread erik jensen

sold!

thanks for letting me clutter your inbox a bit.

stay tuned for high sierra routes in the next week or so.

erik


On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 1:42 PM, erik jensen bicyclen...@gmail.com wrote:

 In a moment of transition I am thinning my bookcase, so my loved
 collection of rivendell readers is ready to find a new home. Finding these
 and learning through the page was a great experience, so I hope someone
 else can find that with them. I also have a collection of bicycle quarterly
 that I am including in the sale.

 Overall condition is good, there's a coffee ring here and there, an
 underlined thing or two. They have been handed down to me, and so the cycle
 will continue.

 Sold as a complete set only. Includes

 -rivendell readers 13-40. missing 19, 21. but multiples of many, so you'll
 have some extras to share with your friends or enemies. over 30 total.

 -rivendell catalogs, seven of em, from 04 to 08. a rambouillet flyer too.

 -bicycle quarterly 2.2-6.3 (4 editions per volume), summer 08, autumn 08,
 autumn 09. 21 of em.

 *75 shipped*

 Get money in paypal by tomorrow and you'll catch me before I leave town
 for a week (-long tour).

 Cheers,

 erik

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 bikenoir.blogspot.com




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[RBW] Re: Your pre-80's steel vs. today's steel bikes.

2014-05-28 Thread gunnara

The Jack Taylor should have a completely different geometry, more like French 
lowtrail than the typical British lightweights. Thinner seatstays are an option 
that makes the frame more comfortable and responsive, I made that choice for my 
Mercian. Add a thinner TT and you have a completely different bike, although 
they are both named 531.
 I can only compare between two 531 frames I used to have and my new 631 frame. 
The new one has stiffer cs and bb (custom long spearpoint lug) which is nice 
when going up a hill, but overall the new bike is more responsive and more 
comfortable, despite the slightly stiffer tubing, maybe because of the Jack 
Taylor style geo. Gunnar 

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[RBW] Re: Bait Bike

seems like if the police could go to this trouble, installing a GPS 
tracking device, that they could make GPS tracking devices available for us 
to purchase and for them to pursue if our bikes are stolen.  

On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 3:34:01 PM UTC-5, Tom Virgil wrote:

 Bicycle theft has occasionally been a sore subject in here.

 Some folks are doing 
 somethinghttp://www.nytimes.com/video/us/10002896894/is-this-a-bait-bike.htmlabout
  it.

 ~Tom




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Re: [RBW] Re: Best spray lube for pivots, pulleys

2014-05-28 Thread Jim Bronson

Teflon is a solid.  It does not belong on moving parts.


On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 3:39 PM, 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch 
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote:

 Here's what I use for everything; chain, pivots, etc.   You can get it at
 Lowe's Home Improvement Center's for $5.99.

 http://www.lowes.com/pd_213197-39963-D00110101_0__



 On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 10:06:47 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 What is the best spray lube for brake, derailleur pivots and pulleys? It
 would be nice to find something at True Value that is not priced at
 bike-specific prices. I imagine something that is thick enough to do some
 good -- no Silicon spray or WD 40 --  but that doesn't leave an oily
 residue -- a dry type lube, in fact, if those can be delivered by
 fluorocarbons or substitutes. I expect that the pollution I'll save by not
 spraying bottled stuff all over the floor and rags will compensate for the
 delivery aerosol. I don't want a Phil oil type of lube.

 Also, what do all y'all use to lubricate clipless pedal mechs? I use a
 dry lube including ProLink and the long-remaining quantity of a large
 bottle of White Lightning, which I dislike for chains.

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[RBW] Re: Your pre-80's steel vs. today's steel bikes.

2014-05-28 Thread Brewster Fong


On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 1:50:38 PM UTC-7, Garth wrote:



In hindsight , I am quite thankful now that I got one of the last 531 
 ST tube sets when I had my Franklin frame built in 1999.   The ST sets 
 stood for super tourist, basically slightly heavier gauge tubes .  Mine 
 is sport touring geometry as it was called back then, which is similar to 
 many Riv's these days except the BB isn't as low, which makes no difference 
 to me as it handles and feels wonderfully (At both high and super slow 
 speeds)  .I also specified 18 chain stays and a long top , 62cm. top 
 tube , head tube extension, and a 135mm rear .  Love this bike !!

 I has a Gitane racing bike in the 80's that used 531C , and it was sweet 
 too, but it got damaged in a crash .   It was too small for me for anyways 
 . . .   Always love classic Reynolds Tubes . 

 Everyone should love this link :
 http://www.equusbicycle.com/bike/reynolds/constructorstubeguide.htm
 http://www.equusbicycle.com/bike/

 
Thanks! I forgot about that site. Actually, the link I always liked is this 
one:
 
 http://www.equusbicycle.com/bike/reynolds/Reynolds-transfers.jpg
 
I have an old Mercian with Reynolds 531cs tubing. It was a great riding 
bike until it got damaged in a crash. Still have it with a bent down and 
top tube and maybe one day I'll get it fixedGood Luck! 

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Re: [RBW] Bait Bike

2014-05-28 Thread Peter Morgano

Ive always wondered about tactics like this. Are bike thieves
specifically thieves who steal just bikes? I don't know, arent they are
just criminals, creatures of opportunity? I am all for anything to combat
bike theft, it just interests me on a criminal justice level if these kind
of targeted tactics work or siphon off resources from overall crime
reduction, which would reduce thefts and crime across the board.


On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Tom Virgil tevir...@gmail.com wrote:

 Bicycle theft has occasionally been a sore subject in here.

 Some folks are doing 
 somethinghttp://www.nytimes.com/video/us/10002896894/is-this-a-bait-bike.htmlabout
  it.

 ~Tom


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[RBW] Re: Bait Bike

I think it could be one of those things like find my Mac/iPhone.  It 
might be good to locate the stolen bike and inform the police.  YMMV in 
confronting the goon who it.

~Tom

On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 2:00:16 PM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:

 seems like if the police could go to this trouble, installing a GPS 
 tracking device, that they could make GPS tracking devices available for us 
 to purchase and for them to pursue if our bikes are stolen.  

 On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 3:34:01 PM UTC-5, Tom Virgil wrote:

 Bicycle theft has occasionally been a sore subject in here.

 Some folks are doing 
 somethinghttp://www.nytimes.com/video/us/10002896894/is-this-a-bait-bike.htmlabout
  it.

 ~Tom




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[RBW] Re: Bait Bike

that is goon who took it.

On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 2:42:47 PM UTC-7, Tom Virgil wrote:

 I think it could be one of those things like find my Mac/iPhone.  It 
 might be good to locate the stolen bike and inform the police.  YMMV in 
 confronting the goon who it.

 ~Tom

 On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 2:00:16 PM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:

 seems like if the police could go to this trouble, installing a GPS 
 tracking device, that they could make GPS tracking devices available for us 
 to purchase and for them to pursue if our bikes are stolen.  

 On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 3:34:01 PM UTC-5, Tom Virgil wrote:

 Bicycle theft has occasionally been a sore subject in here.

 Some folks are doing 
 somethinghttp://www.nytimes.com/video/us/10002896894/is-this-a-bait-bike.htmlabout
  it.

 ~Tom




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[RBW] Re: Bait Bike

2014-05-28 Thread Garth

The effectiveness of GPS is not fool proof , however.  They did not say in 
the video if their tracking works indoors, but most , unless cutting edge 
using other means(wifi, etc)  , do not. 

So unless you can track it immediately and catch up to them, once indoors 
you only have a general location.  Better than nothing, but also opens a 
whole other set of issues. 



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Re: [RBW] Bait Bike

2014-05-28 Thread Jim Bronson

Bike owners have been specifically targeted at times here, for example,
there was a recent rash of thefts of high end road bikes out of people's
garages when they were at work during the day.  This happened in an upscale
urban neighborhood.  The thieves were targeting bikes specifically.

A couple years back there was a guy who was trying to befriend people at
rides and would then consequently steal their bikes, all the while posing
as a friend.  They caught him with something like 20 high end bikes in his
garage, I'm just glad he was caught.  Never heard what kind of sentence he
got though, or even if he was convicted.


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 Ive always wondered about tactics like this. Are bike thieves
 specifically thieves who steal just bikes? I don't know, arent they are
 just criminals, creatures of opportunity? I am all for anything to combat
 bike theft, it just interests me on a criminal justice level if these kind
 of targeted tactics work or siphon off resources from overall crime
 reduction, which would reduce thefts and crime across the board.


 On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Tom Virgil tevir...@gmail.com wrote:

 Bicycle theft has occasionally been a sore subject in here.

 Some folks are doing 
 somethinghttp://www.nytimes.com/video/us/10002896894/is-this-a-bait-bike.htmlabout
  it.

 ~Tom


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[RBW] Re: Pedal Strike - LongLow

2014-05-28 Thread Ryan

Yup...what Michael said
Whenever I'm riding thru a corner I always have the inside leg up ...but if 
I do pedal the inside leg is usually in the right place. Both my Rivs do 
have TCO, as does my PX-10 with the fatty 37mm Paselas. I know TCO is a 
deal-breaker for some, but I seldom hit my foot. I won't say I've never 
done it; just saying rarely.
On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 8:11:08 PM UTC-5, Michael wrote:

  I think for proper analysis we are going to need extensive postings of 
 pictures of this long low...:)


  


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[RBW] Re: FS: Complete Cockpit, Old Brooks c

2014-05-28 Thread Robert Kirkpatrick

All items have sold - thanks to all who inquired and bought!

cheers,
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[RBW] Re: Nanoreview, Barlow Pass 700x38C on Dyad

2014-05-28 Thread 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch

Have you measured their actual width?  I've also got Dyad rims and I'm 
hoping the BP's are as fat as my 38mm Duremes.  



On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 10:22:14 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Received and put on my new-to-me pre-broken in Barlow Pass tires on the 
 Quickbeam and rode some dirt yesterday and an 8 mile paved backroad today 
 (all in 40/16, co not too vertical at 500 ft. drop over 4 miles so 2% 
 average grade). No wind, so pretty easy to compare with other rides on the 
 Clement MSO's. Initial impressions:

 Wow. Fast. Smooth. Fun. Quiet. Wow. This was also my general response to 
 the MSO's when I first road them, in comparison to the 2.25 Smart Sams on 
 the Hunqapillar. The difference is that much more yet again.

 Heading down, I maxed out my gear a lot more and so coasted a lot more. I 
 held speed on the rolling climbs far better and longer. There is a steep 
 climb to get to Holy Rosary Chapel (my destination) that I enter into as 
 fast as I can and see hot for up I need to stand to make it. I didn't need 
 to stand. I coasted into the parking lot having world a lot less hard to 
 get up the hill. I'm stunned at the difference.

 If there is a noticeable difference in flats and descents, it's even more 
 on the climbs. Returning home I was mostly spinning in the slowly spinning 
 speed, faster than the typical easy end of hard pushing speed (if that 
 makes any sense).

 Dirt: will learn a lot more on longer rides, but handles the loose bits 
 close to as well as the MSO's which surprised me. Not as much confidence in 
 the curves, but surprisingly confident. I'm also a bit more timid in the 
 gravel curves due to a tumble that cracked a rib and hyperextended all the 
 toes on my right foot, so that could easily be me.

 I do not use a computer or time my rides, so I can only go by these 
 observations of semi-objective data points (due to the single speed and the 
 only thing changing is the tires). But I love these tires so far and look 
 forward to taking them on a longer ride once my cracked rib heals up).

 Photos: https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/14104682109/

 With abandon,
 Patrick


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Re: [RBW] Bait Bike

2014-05-28 Thread Jenny Oh Hatfield

In my spare time, I do a lot of volunteer work to help crack down on bike theft 
in the Bay Area. I've gotten to know Ofc. Friedman and he's done a lot of 
fantastic work in this area. Bike thieves are often repeat offenders and have 
typically committed other crimes (the problem is that the punishment is usually 
low/non-existent that the incentive to steal again is high.)

Also, with SFPD using the GPS with bait bikes, they assume the risk of 
apprehending the thieves and can make an arrest more quickly and efficiently 
rather than waiting for an owner to report a theft. Bait bikes have been 
successful elsewhere and I'm guessing they'll help with the problem in the Bay 
Area as well. Just knowing they exist is a strong deterrent.

Cheers,
Jenny 
Oakland, CA

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[RBW] Re: Nanoreview, Barlow Pass 700x38C on Dyad

2014-05-28 Thread Deacon Patrick

Chris, I have not measured them and do not have calipers to measure with. 
My front rim is a Mavic OpenSport 15mm for reference. I'm running them at 
40psi. Tey're likely under 38mm due to the narrow rim.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 4:14:12 PM UTC-6, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:

 Have you measured their actual width?  I've also got Dyad rims and I'm 
 hoping the BP's are as fat as my 38mm Duremes.  


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Re: [RBW] Re: Your pre-80's steel vs. today's steel bikes.

2014-05-28 Thread Philip Williamson

My size! 
When I saw the list of bikes (without reading the thread name), I thought, 
Wow! Is this a For Sale posting?!
Amazing bikes. Really beautiful. And my size, or as Ron says, Close 
enough.

Philip
www.biketinker.com

On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 8:32:21 AM UTC-7, Anton Tutter wrote:

 Is this your size?

 https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2932/14260197545_96d9ce9656_b.jpg

 https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7268/7080957421_4422861e00_b.jpg

 https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3808/9591446516_742cf309ea_b.jpg






 On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 10:49:09 AM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote:

 also a stable that makes me drool - hope they're not in my size

 On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 9:45:38 AM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 Very interesting observation on the 531 bikes. 

 Cheers,
 David

 it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal



  

 On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 7:15 AM, Anton Tutter atu...@gmail.com wrote:

 No Rivendells in my collection, but a bunch of other steel road bikes, 
 from pre-80s up to 2013. How do these all compare?

 1971 Mercian Olympic-- Reynolds 531, rides nice, fairly compliant, not 
 the snappiest response to pedaling.

 1982 Jack Taylor Tour of Britain-- Reynolds 531, rides incredibly 
 smoothly and compliant. Snappy response to pedaling. The stays and fork 
 blades are pencil thin, which may contribute.

 1988 Trek 560-- TruTemper double butted tubing, rides nice but not 
 great, fairly compliant.  Somewhat dead response to pedaling.

 2013 Rawland Stag-- unkown double butted tubing (8/5/8 main tubes is 
 all I know)-- has an overbuilt, stiff fork which compromises the ride 
 quality, but the frame is very snappy in response to pedaling.

 2014 Jeff Lyon L'Avecaise custom-- currently getting painted before 
 delivery to me, unknown (to me) tubing, will have 7/4/7 TT, and thin, 
 compliant Kaisei fork blades.  Was built to have a very compliant ride and 
 snappy response. We'll see!

 Interesting how two Reynolds 531 bikes can ride and feel differently 
 (both bike have comparably supple and fast rolling tires, and similar 
 overall builds). The devil is definitely in the details when it comes to 
 bike handling and ride dynamics, and tubing is just one of many variables.

 As far as standard off-the-shelf bikes go, one problem is that they 
 have to be designed to work across the anthropometric range of rider 
 metrics within a given frame size.  That is, a given size frame has to be 
 strong enough to accomodate riders who may vary by as much as 100-150 lbs. 
 i.e., there needs to be a certain level of robustness built in, at least 
 to 
 minimize the risk of potential frame failures.  Only a custom bike built 
 to 
 a rider's personal metrics will yield a frame that behaves exactly as the 
 rider wants. Everything else is a compromise in some way or another.

 Anton

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Re: [RBW] Abridged summary of rbw-o...@googlegroups.com - 78 updates in 17 topics

2014-05-28 Thread Philip Williamson

Mi Marc,

I always click the thread title in the email to post from the web Group. 
That way my work email signature (longer than any email content I've ever 
sent) doesn't get appended to the post. 

I can also see if anyone has chimed in since I got the digest.

Philip
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 Hey Marc,

 I have no idea what you said, it's lost in the digest (that's the problem 
 with using email to reply to digests -- it works for individual emails but 
 not summaries or digests. To reply, you may want to use the link to the 
 webpage for the thread and reply there?

 With abandon,
 Patrick


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Re: [RBW] Re: Large Rando bag / rack / decaleur interface

2014-05-28 Thread Mike Schiller

I've never used a cotter pin. Stays put without on my bike , even on rocky 
dirt roads. Inserting the pin has always been very easy, perhaps do to the 
original alignment. 

The adjustability of the Berthoud is so it can go on different bikes and 
bags.  This adaptor was designed and made for a specific combination.  But 
most of us who invest in a custom bike keep them for a long time usually.

~mike

On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 12:45:50 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:

 On 05/28/2014 02:52 PM, Mike Schiller wrote: 
  the Berthoud decaleur comes off by just sliding the pin out. Easy 
  peasy.  I think they are the best designed on the market. 

 The tricky part is inserting the rod, because you have to line up the 
 tubes on the bag with the tubes that are part of the decaleur, and 
 that's a little bit fiddly.  Then, also there's the matter if inserting 
 the pin, which can be tricky if you are farsighted and it's dark (say, 
 like in my basement). 

  
  You could have a frame builder make up a fixed position upper mount if 
  you switch the same bag between two bikes.  I did that and it was 
  cheaper than buying another decaleur assy. 
  https://www.flickr.com/photos/37347002@N05/6786437747/ 

 Nice!  Although it totally eliminates the adjustability of the Berthoud 
 decaleur, it also eliminates the possibility of the attachment bolts 
 rattling out.   What would something like that cost? 




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Re: [RBW] Re: Large Rando bag / rack / decaleur interface


On 05/28/2014 06:55 PM, Mike Schiller wrote:
I've never used a cotter pin. Stays put without on my bike , even on 
rocky dirt roads. Inserting the pin has always been very easy, perhaps 
do to the original alignment.


YMMV: I've lost the paper clip and had the rod start to back out on its 
own.  As for inserting the paper clip: it's easy if you can see it, not 
so much if it's out of focus and you have to go by feel, especially for 
the Clippiola paper clips I use.




The adjustability of the Berthoud is so it can go on different bikes 
and bags.  This adaptor was designed and made for a specific 
combination.  But most of us who invest in a custom bike keep them for 
a long time usually.


No doubt.  It's lovely.  But it's not the sort of thing your average 
frame builder would make, I'll bet.  Who made yours, and what did it cost?



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Re: [RBW] Re: Large Rando bag / rack / decaleur interface

2014-05-28 Thread Mike Schiller

any compentant rackmaker can make something similar. Mine was made by this 
guy http://matthewscustomcycles.blogspot.com/


On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 4:04:53 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:

 On 05/28/2014 06:55 PM, Mike Schiller wrote: 
  I've never used a cotter pin. Stays put without on my bike , even on 
  rocky dirt roads. Inserting the pin has always been very easy, perhaps 
  do to the original alignment. 

 YMMV: I've lost the paper clip and had the rod start to back out on its 
 own.  As for inserting the paper clip: it's easy if you can see it, not 
 so much if it's out of focus and you have to go by feel, especially for 
 the Clippiola paper clips I use. 

  
  The adjustability of the Berthoud is so it can go on different bikes 
  and bags.  This adaptor was designed and made for a specific 
  combination.  But most of us who invest in a custom bike keep them for 
  a long time usually. 

 No doubt.  It's lovely.  But it's not the sort of thing your average 
 frame builder would make, I'll bet.  Who made yours, and what did it cost? 




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Re: [RBW] Re: Large Rando bag / rack / decaleur interface

I thought the cheap brass safety pin that came with the Bertaud decaleur
was, well, cheap. I'm sure I have the only Inconel 617 spring clip on a
Bertaud decaleur

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-izdooxMc1ns/U4ZyI6ItytI/BQ8/e3mEuBew6j0/s1600/aaaP5280002.JPG

I borrowed a piece of wire from work. I've mentioned before I repair
antique fly reels, and make a lot of springs.

On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 6:04:53 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:

On 05/28/2014 06:55 PM, Mike Schiller wrote:
I've never used a cotter pin. Stays put without on my bike , even on
rocky dirt roads. Inserting the pin has always been very easy, perhaps
do to the original alignment.

YMMV: I've lost the paper clip and had the rod start to back out on its
own. As for inserting the paper clip: it's easy if you can see it, not
so much if it's out of focus and you have to go by feel, especially for
the Clippiola paper clips I use.

The adjustability of the Berthoud is so it can go on different bikes
and bags. This adaptor was designed and made for a specific
combination. But most of us who invest in a custom bike keep them for
a long time usually.

No doubt. It's lovely. But it's not the sort of thing your average
frame builder would make, I'll bet. Who made yours, and what did it cost?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Pedal Strike - LongLow

2014-05-28 Thread Toshi Takeuchi

I had pedal strike for the first time on my 650b converted Ram this last
weekend.  I was doing a U-turn on a street and was pedaling while leaning
quite a bit to do the U-turn.  Luckily like all other times I've struck the
pedal to the ground, I bounced off the ground and had no issues...

Toshi

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Re: [RBW] Re: Large Rando bag / rack / decaleur interface

macro of the spring clip - it doesn't come out unless you want it out.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/700c/aaaP5280003.jpg

On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 6:33:52 PM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:

I thought the cheap brass safety pin that came with the Bertaud decaleur
was, well, cheap. I'm sure I have the only Inconel 617 spring clip on a
Bertaud decaleur

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-izdooxMc1ns/U4ZyI6ItytI/BQ8/e3mEuBew6j0/s1600/aaaP5280002.JPG

I borrowed a piece of wire from work. I've mentioned before I repair
antique fly reels, and make a lot of springs.

On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 6:04:53 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:

No doubt. It's lovely. But it's not the sort of thing your average
frame builder would make, I'll bet. Who made yours, and what did it
cost?

[RBW] Re: Large Rando bag / rack / decaleur interface

2014-05-28 Thread Oliver S.

While you might be able to get the off-the-shelf options to work, it can be 
a fun project to make your own decaleur. 

There's a DIY decaleur flickr group at: 
https://www.flickr.com/groups/2215203@N24/  There are probably several 
others out there too.

Mine's herehttps://www.flickr.com/photos/ollieandema/sets/72157629743160646/ 
and 
supports a tall Ruthworks bag on a Nitto M12. It was cheap (~$15 in 
hardware) and isn't good looking, and I intended it to be a temporary 
solution that would be replaced by something nicer and made by a local 
builder, but it's worked for three years on some rough rides. I take the 
bag off pretty regularly using the wingnuts (the bag has a leather strap 
that goes over the rack tombstone and velcro to fasten to the base of the 
rack). 

Good luck!

-Oliver Smith

On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 5:21:14 AM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:

 I posted this on the Lifestyles list but didn't get any feedback.

 I use an Acorn Rondeneur bag on both my Saluki (62 CM/650B) with a VO rack 
 but no decaleur and on our Tandem (26 ) with an RBW Mark's rack and no 
 decaleur.  It works OK, but I am considering moving to a taller bag - 250 - 
 270mm, which would require a decaleur.  The VO website suggests that 
 neither the rack nor decaleur are guaranteed to work with a tall bag.

 What rack  decaleurs are people using happily with these tall bags?  What 
 problems have you had to overcome?

 Michael



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Re: [RBW] Re: Large Rando bag / rack / decaleur interface


On 05/28/2014 07:31 PM, Mike Schiller wrote:
any compentant rackmaker can make something similar. Mine was made by 
this guy http://matthewscustomcycles.blogspot.com/




I know of a couple of rack makers who were not frame builders, but they 
both seem to have left the business.  I also know of a couple of frame 
builders who also build racks.  In a totally invalid count based on 
frame builders I'm aware of, that's 2 out of maybe 20, so perhaps 10% of 
the frame builders build racks, and I believe with both the only way 
they'll build you a rack is if a frame comes with it.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Your pre-80's steel vs. today's steel bikes.

coveting is tough business

On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 5:49:34 PM UTC-5, Philip Williamson wrote:

 My size! 
 When I saw the list of bikes (without reading the thread name), I thought, 
 Wow! Is this a For Sale posting?!
 Amazing bikes. Really beautiful. And my size, or as Ron says, Close 
 enough.

 Philip
 www.biketinker.com

 On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 8:32:21 AM UTC-7, Anton Tutter wrote:

 Is this your size?

 https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2932/14260197545_96d9ce9656_b.jpg

 https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7268/7080957421_4422861e00_b.jpg

 https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3808/9591446516_742cf309ea_b.jpg






 On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 10:49:09 AM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote:

 also a stable that makes me drool - hope they're not in my size

 On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 9:45:38 AM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 Very interesting observation on the 531 bikes. 

 Cheers,
 David

 it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal



  

 On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 7:15 AM, Anton Tutter atu...@gmail.com wrote:

 No Rivendells in my collection, but a bunch of other steel road bikes, 
 from pre-80s up to 2013. How do these all compare?

 1971 Mercian Olympic-- Reynolds 531, rides nice, fairly compliant, not 
 the snappiest response to pedaling.

 1982 Jack Taylor Tour of Britain-- Reynolds 531, rides incredibly 
 smoothly and compliant. Snappy response to pedaling. The stays and fork 
 blades are pencil thin, which may contribute.

 1988 Trek 560-- TruTemper double butted tubing, rides nice but not 
 great, fairly compliant.  Somewhat dead response to pedaling.

 2013 Rawland Stag-- unkown double butted tubing (8/5/8 main tubes is 
 all I know)-- has an overbuilt, stiff fork which compromises the ride 
 quality, but the frame is very snappy in response to pedaling.

 2014 Jeff Lyon L'Avecaise custom-- currently getting painted before 
 delivery to me, unknown (to me) tubing, will have 7/4/7 TT, and thin, 
 compliant Kaisei fork blades.  Was built to have a very compliant ride 
 and 
 snappy response. We'll see!

 Interesting how two Reynolds 531 bikes can ride and feel differently 
 (both bike have comparably supple and fast rolling tires, and similar 
 overall builds). The devil is definitely in the details when it comes to 
 bike handling and ride dynamics, and tubing is just one of many variables.

 As far as standard off-the-shelf bikes go, one problem is that they 
 have to be designed to work across the anthropometric range of rider 
 metrics within a given frame size.  That is, a given size frame has to be 
 strong enough to accomodate riders who may vary by as much as 100-150 
 lbs. 
 i.e., there needs to be a certain level of robustness built in, at least 
 to 
 minimize the risk of potential frame failures.  Only a custom bike built 
 to 
 a rider's personal metrics will yield a frame that behaves exactly as the 
 rider wants. Everything else is a compromise in some way or another.

 Anton

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[RBW] fs: Sackville trucksacks (small + large) saddlesack ~ GRID GREY!

2014-05-28 Thread Eric

For sale...a complete set of Sackville trunksacks (small + large) as well 
as an XS saddlesackall in the awesome  discontinued grid grey 
pattern. 

Why did they discontinue grid grey?!?!

Anyways, all are very lightly used  in excellent shape. Let me just say 
the grid grey goes great with any color of Hilsen, IMHO!

$250 shipped for the set. I'd like to keep it complete right now and no 
trades please. Pick in Chicago would be awesome! 

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[RBW] Carradice Duxback Poncho - Opinions?

2014-05-28 Thread Montclair BobbyB

I just received mine in the mail, so I realize it's kinda late for 
opinions... but wanted to hear from others who own one of these ponchos.   
I tested it on a short ride *(a very short ride, since it wasn't actually 
raining, and the neighbors were giving me horrified looks...)* It's very 
nice quality and it feels like riding a well-ventilated tent on wheels.

One thing I definitely noticed; either my head is too big, or the hood is 
rather short, barely covering my ears, but offering good peripheral vision 
(unlike most hoods). I was able to get my helmet to fit over the hood, so I 
think that works for me.   Question:  Do you find this hood effective, or 
do you just abandon it altogether? Does your face still get soaked using 
the hood?  Do you wear your helmet over the hood???

Also, with fenders and poncho do you find you still need additional rain 
protection (like shoes, spats, legs, etc.?)

I've been really disappointed with my GoreTex jacket and pants (hot and 
sticky), and I never really considered a poncho until I saw the 
Carradice.  I have to say I'm really impressed with the quality and feel.  
Can't wait to really test it out (and turn the neighbors faces 
from horrified to envious).

Peace,

BB
*Rain just makes a good ride better*

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[RBW] Re: Recently joined the group; and now a new Riv [frame] owner

Samuel Hillborne can have many personalities and do a lot.

Where I 
started.https://www.flickr.com/photos/20853610@N05/9754374791/in/set-72157633958654979

Where I am. https://www.flickr.com/photos/20853610@N05/14106885271/

It keeps getting better and better.

Best wishes on your build.  I am certain it is going to be great.

~Tom



On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 6:15:55 PM UTC-8, Tom Goodmann wrote:

 Just over an hour ago, I snagged the last Sam Hillborne frame from Riv at 
 the sale price; I'm going to wait on the build a bit and think over drops, 
 moustaches, or albies, but am leaning towards the albatross bars as 
 something new for me.  But really, I can't wait to try the new ride.  Much 
 appreciation to this welcoming group. Any Riv riders in South Florida?  

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[RBW] Re: Carradice Duxback Poncho - Opinions?