Re: [RBW] Re: Pretend New Bike Day: The Stolen Clem

[Leah Peterson]

I do so love you, Roberta. Come back and we’ll go ride the wetlands! I miss you.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 3, 2019, at 7:29 PM, REC (Roberta)  wrote:
> 
> I got to ride that very bike when I visited Leah last month.  It it rode 
> beautifully and looks great now  (although I thought it looked quite nice 
> then.)  The blue is deep and rich.  I think now the only "problem " you'll 
> have is when the son with the little Clem out grows it,  and wants to ride 
> the big Clem.  
> 
> In the meantime,  enjoy your Betz alternative and please keep telling your 
> stories. Your enthusiasm is wonderfully contageous. 
> 
> Roberta 
>> On Wednesday, April 3, 2019 at 9:53:34 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>> Thanks, guys! I am riding it mostly NAKED which is very fun to say, but only 
>> means unloaded. The Betz can haul the stuff. Two-Bike-Leah now has options! 
>> Also, it is very fun to tell folks that this is the bike I ride when I’m 
>> slummin’ it! 
> 
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[RBW] Re: Ride Report: Eastern Cape, North Island, New Zealand

[John Rinker]

Thanks Tom! Yes, I’ve been traveling for so long I’ve gotten the whole shebang 
pretty well sorted. 

I pack my bike in an almost identical manner to how I received it from Riv. 
When I first opened the box from them I took a few photos of the way they had 
packed it up and have pretty much followed that method every time. I still have 
the original box and have used it lots (not only does Riv make solid bikes, the 
also source solid boxes!).  I recently switched the original box because one 
airline didn’t care for the width of the box. Now I use two 29er boxes nested 
so I can get an extra 3” of height the my 62cm Hinq, now christened ‘Sweet as’, 
required.

As I travel internationally often, the bike is counted as a piece of my luggage 
as long as it doesn’t exceed weight limits. When I traveled to New Zealand, I 
had the bike and a duffle with the rest of my gear, and paid nothing extra. 
Often this is the case. When I flew home from Tuscon after completing the 
Divide, the bike fit in a single 29er box and cost me $25 on Southwest. 

So far, everything has worked out well for me with no damage to the bike or my 
gear.

Cheers, John

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[RBW] Re: Pretend New Bike Day: The Stolen Clem

[REC (Roberta)]

I got to ride that very bike when I visited Leah last month.  It it rode 
beautifully and looks great now  (although I thought it looked quite nice 
then.)  The blue is deep and rich.  I think now the only "problem " you'll 
have is when the son with the little Clem out grows it,  and wants to ride 
the big Clem.  

In the meantime,  enjoy your Betz alternative and please keep telling your 
stories. Your enthusiasm is wonderfully contageous. 

Roberta 
On Wednesday, April 3, 2019 at 9:53:34 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> Thanks, guys! I am riding it mostly NAKED which is very fun to say, but 
> only means unloaded. The Betz can haul the stuff. Two-Bike-Leah now has 
> options! Also, it is very fun to tell folks that this is the bike I ride 
> when I’m slummin’ it! 

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Re: [RBW] recommendation for a flared drop bar with 25.4 clamp size

[Steve Palincsar]

How much of a flare do you want?  The Compass/Rene Herse Maes Parallel 
has a slight flare: the 44cm bar is 42 across the levers, 44 at the 
ends.  I like the shape a lot (and so does my arthritic left thumb, 
which isn't triggered by this bar at all).


On 4/3/19 9:25 PM, Clayton.sf wrote:

Salsa Cowchipper! With the right levers it is an amazing bar.

Clayton Scott
HBG, CA


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[RBW] Pretend New Bike Day: The Stolen Clem

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Thanks, guys! I am riding it mostly NAKED which is very fun to say, but only 
means unloaded. The Betz can haul the stuff. Two-Bike-Leah now has options! 
Also, it is very fun to tell folks that this is the bike I ride when I’m 
slummin’ it! 

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[RBW] Wind, fixed gears, drop bars, and old ladies, nice and nasty

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I laughed - I can picture the scene exactly! Also, description of sunglasses 
and plucky brother - hilarious. I will file this away in the annals of my mind 
so as not to ever become the nasty type of old woman.   

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[RBW] recommendation for a flared drop bar with 25.4 clamp size

[Clayton.sf]

Salsa Cowchipper! With the right levers it is an amazing bar.

Clayton Scott
HBG, CA

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Re: [RBW] recommendation for a flared drop bar with 25.4 clamp size

[Andrew Letton]

 I've been using and liking an On-One Midge bar on my all-road commute bike, 
and I think it would fit your requirements, but it looks like they now make 
only the 31.8mm clamp version. Mine is an older 25.4mm version...maybe you can 
find old stock somewhere...cheers,Andrew
On Thursday, April 4, 2019, 9:51:22 AM GMT+11, jandrews 
 wrote:  
 
 HiI'm looking for a flared drop bar to use with a periscopa 80mm / 25.4 stem.I 
think the RM-3 may be too narrow at the levers and, according to the Analog 
Cycles website, it's not great for very long rides.So, looking for something a 
little more tour-worthy and comfortable but with minimal drop and a decent 
about of flareany thoughts?

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[RBW] Pretend New Bike Day: The Stolen Clem

[Carl]

That blue is so pretty. Glad it will be loved as it deserves. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day. 56cm 650B Atlantis

[Joe Bernard]

As the new owner of a 53/650B Atlantis I have to agree it's a perfect bike 
right down to the name, headbadge and color. It's ridiculously good at the 
"being a bike" thing. 

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[RBW] Re: FS Nitto Racks M12, Marks, R15

[Frank Brose]

*Mark's Rack Sold*

On Wednesday, April 3, 2019 at 3:20:09 PM UTC-5, Frank Brose wrote:
>
> I'm done. I have the racks on the bikes I need and ride so these are for 
> sale. All in good shape with very little use. Prices include shipping in 
> the CONUS.  
> Thanks,
> Frank
>
> Nitto m12 been mounted so might require some minor adjustment for your 
> application. $60
> Nitto Marks all the hardware. Struts have been cut to 9cm and 27cm $100
> Nitto R15 excellent condition with uncut struts $130
>
> [image: P1010944.JPG][image: P1010931.JPG]
>
> [image: P1010941.JPG]
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[RBW] Re: Pretend New Bike Day: The Stolen Clem

[Steve Butcher]

Such a fun story; which I enjoyed reading; even on Instagram!

On Wednesday, April 3, 2019 at 5:42:05 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> I really wanted to title this “The Pilfered Clem” but I can’t because 
> pilfer means “to steal stealthily in small amounts and often again and 
> again.” I didn’t bother with any of that - I took possession of the whole 
> thing. This isn’t the New Bike Day post you all know and love, but just 
> humor me and say this counts. Pretend New Bike Day! 
>
>  Since JP went to the dark side and got an e-bike, he does not so much as 
> cast a glance at his Clem H. An opportunist and possessive woman by nature, 
> I quietly began to make this masculine bike a bit more to my liking. Pretty 
> soon, I began to love it and think of it as “mine.” I took it in for a 
> tune-up and deep cleaning and just like that it’s MINE ALL MINE. Leah of 
> the One Best Bike now has two. Two-Bike-Leah. 
>
> When I picked up the bike at REI, the mechanic had neither seen nor heard 
> of Rivendell Bicycle Works, but he knows quality and he was fascinated with 
> the Clem when he pulled it off the rack. I told him about Riv and then he 
> took a ride and was totally infatuated. If not today, he said, then later 
> (soon), he’s going to get one! He couldn’t believe what a great ride it is 
> - “This is going to be expensive,” he said. “Yes,” I agreed, “but when you 
> love it and use it relentlessly the price will seem cheap for what you’ve 
> got.” 
>
> So today is Pretend New Bike Day. Someone sent me a personalized brass 
> bell, so that went on the bars. I slapped my old B68 on the seat post, 
> affixed a gray Saddlesack, a Bananasax in sapphire on the bars, and removed 
> the front rack. This is now my Clem. 
>
> I took some photos to share here because it looks fantastic all polished 
> up and decked out! I even got wild, new, tie-dyed Keens that happen match 
> the colored spoke ends. I love how this bike is different from my Betz but 
> still has that Rivendell ride and quality. 
>

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[RBW] Re: recommendation for a flared drop bar with 25.4 clamp size

[jandrews]

I'm somewhat open on width.  Was thinking around 55 at the flared drops and 
hopefully not too too narrow at the hoods 




On Wednesday, April 3, 2019 at 7:46:23 PM UTC-4, DarinM wrote:
>
> What width are you looking for? I think the RM-13 comes in both 25.4 and 
> 26.0 variants, is a drop bar and has a really nice shape, IMO. Much more 
> traditional, Noodle-type shape, but with more flare in the drops. I know 
> I've seen them in 25.4, but maybe only in the narrower sizes? 
>
> Blue Lug in Japan also sells a compact Noodle (same shape, shorter reach, 
> less drop) with a 25.4 clamp.
>
> If you can't find what you need in 25.4, you can find a Nitto Dirt Drop in 
> 80/26.0 which is otherwise pretty much the same as the Periscopa.
>
> Darin
>
> On Wednesday, April 3, 2019 at 3:51:19 PM UTC-7, jandrews wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>> I'm looking for a flared drop bar to use with a periscopa 80mm / 25.4 
>> stem.
>> I think the RM-3 may be too narrow at the levers and, according to the 
>> Analog Cycles website, it's not great for very long rides.
>> So, looking for something a little more tour-worthy and comfortable but 
>> with minimal drop and a decent about of flare
>> any thoughts?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: recommendation for a flared drop bar with 25.4 clamp size

[DarinM]

What width are you looking for? I think the RM-13 comes in both 25.4 and 
26.0 variants, is a drop bar and has a really nice shape, IMO. Much more 
traditional, Noodle-type shape, but with more flare in the drops. I know 
I've seen them in 25.4, but maybe only in the narrower sizes? 

Blue Lug in Japan also sells a compact Noodle (same shape, shorter reach, 
less drop) with a 25.4 clamp.

If you can't find what you need in 25.4, you can find a Nitto Dirt Drop in 
80/26.0 which is otherwise pretty much the same as the Periscopa.

Darin

On Wednesday, April 3, 2019 at 3:51:19 PM UTC-7, jandrews wrote:
>
> Hi
> I'm looking for a flared drop bar to use with a periscopa 80mm / 25.4 stem.
> I think the RM-3 may be too narrow at the levers and, according to the 
> Analog Cycles website, it's not great for very long rides.
> So, looking for something a little more tour-worthy and comfortable but 
> with minimal drop and a decent about of flare
> any thoughts?
>

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[RBW] Time trial 'bike' - is it a thing?!

[Joe Bernard]

They were called Funny Bikes, a riff on the NHRA Funny Cars. It was a thing in 
the Olympics in the '70s/'80s..I guess it still is but I think some of the 
"funnier" aspects have been banned. 

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[RBW] Time trial 'bike' - is it a thing?!

[Ash]

First I thought it must an April fool post.  I had no clue such thing 
existed.  An inverted Riv of sorts!

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/sacramento-1986-nishiki-linear-pursuit/6848557336.html

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day. 56cm 650B Atlantis

[Bill Lindsay]

If I wanted to run drop bars on a 55cm Appaloosa, I'd run an 8cm stem, and 
I'm sure it would be dandy.  Maybe not perfect for me, but dandy.  8mm is 
not much, I agree, but it's not nothing either.  

Bill


On Wednesday, April 3, 2019 at 3:37:51 PM UTC-7, jandrews wrote:
>
> According to the geo charts, the 55cm Appa top tube is 0.8cm longer than 
> the 56cm Atlantis.  That's less than a 1/3 of a inch.
> Can that really be contributing to one frameset being more ideal for drop 
> bars and/or swept backs over the other?
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 3, 2019 at 5:34:06 PM UTC-4, Mike Williams wrote:
>>
>> Got it,  all excellent points Bill.   Thank you for the detailed 
>> response!   -Mike
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 3, 2019, at 5:28 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>> I said the 56cm 650B Atlantis was a perfect bike and that I wouldn't 
>> change a thing.  
>>
>> Mike Williams asked for a comparison with the Joe Appaloosa, which is an 
>> excellent bike.  There are a few small but notable differences that make 
>> the Joe Appaloosa a very good bike for Bill Lindsay, and make the Atlantis 
>> a perfect bike for Bill Lindsay.  
>>
>> They both ride great.  The 55cm Joe Appaloosa is ideally set up with 
>> Choco bars, in my opinion.  For me, drop bars are just better, and the top 
>> tube length of the Joe Appaloosa would have made a drop bar setup goofy for 
>> me.  The 56cm Atlantis has a slightly shorter top tube and is perfect with 
>> drop bars and a 9cm stem.  The 55cm Joe Appaloosa has 700c wheels. When you 
>> run it with stout wheels and tires, those heavy wheels make the bike more 
>> cruiserish and less agile, in my opinion.  The 650B wheels of the Atlantis 
>> are far more preferable in handling.  It is possible that lightweight 700c 
>> wheels and tires could get some of that back.  My preferred agility in 650B 
>> could easily be countered by another person's stability in 700c.  Finally, 
>> I really dislike toe clip overlap.  I really dislike it and avoid it 
>> whenever I can.  I bought the Appaloosa thinking it wouldn't have TCO for 
>> me, because it had a really long front center.  It had less TCO than my 
>> 700c 58cm Atlantis that I used to have, but it still happened, and fully 
>> loaded on campouts it was a problem that I don't want anymore.  650B bikes 
>> in my size never have TCO.  
>>
>> So, if I still had the Appaloosa, I'd still ride it and it would still be 
>> great, but I would wish it was 650B and I would wish that it had a slightly 
>> shorter top tube for a better drop bar setup.  The Atlantis is perfect.  
>> The fact that it is an instantly recognizeable ICON of a machine also makes 
>> the Atlantis perfect, in my eyes.  I also prefer less seatpost showing on a 
>> 56 from the 55 Appaloosa.  The original Atlantis was a masterpiece.  I'm 
>> now convinced the MIT Atlantis is flat out better (for me).  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] recommendation for a flared drop bar with 25.4 clamp size

[jandrews]

Hi
I'm looking for a flared drop bar to use with a periscopa 80mm / 25.4 stem.
I think the RM-3 may be too narrow at the levers and, according to the 
Analog Cycles website, it's not great for very long rides.
So, looking for something a little more tour-worthy and comfortable but 
with minimal drop and a decent about of flare
any thoughts?

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day. 56cm 650B Atlantis

[jandrews]

According to the geo charts, the 55cm Appa top tube is 0.8cm longer than 
the 56cm Atlantis.  That's less than a 1/3 of a inch.
Can that really be contributing to one frameset being more ideal for drop 
bars and/or swept backs over the other?




On Wednesday, April 3, 2019 at 5:34:06 PM UTC-4, Mike Williams wrote:
>
> Got it,  all excellent points Bill.   Thank you for the detailed response! 
>   -Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 3, 2019, at 5:28 PM, Bill Lindsay > 
> wrote:
>
> I said the 56cm 650B Atlantis was a perfect bike and that I wouldn't 
> change a thing.  
>
> Mike Williams asked for a comparison with the Joe Appaloosa, which is an 
> excellent bike.  There are a few small but notable differences that make 
> the Joe Appaloosa a very good bike for Bill Lindsay, and make the Atlantis 
> a perfect bike for Bill Lindsay.  
>
> They both ride great.  The 55cm Joe Appaloosa is ideally set up with Choco 
> bars, in my opinion.  For me, drop bars are just better, and the top tube 
> length of the Joe Appaloosa would have made a drop bar setup goofy for me.  
> The 56cm Atlantis has a slightly shorter top tube and is perfect with drop 
> bars and a 9cm stem.  The 55cm Joe Appaloosa has 700c wheels. When you run 
> it with stout wheels and tires, those heavy wheels make the bike more 
> cruiserish and less agile, in my opinion.  The 650B wheels of the Atlantis 
> are far more preferable in handling.  It is possible that lightweight 700c 
> wheels and tires could get some of that back.  My preferred agility in 650B 
> could easily be countered by another person's stability in 700c.  Finally, 
> I really dislike toe clip overlap.  I really dislike it and avoid it 
> whenever I can.  I bought the Appaloosa thinking it wouldn't have TCO for 
> me, because it had a really long front center.  It had less TCO than my 
> 700c 58cm Atlantis that I used to have, but it still happened, and fully 
> loaded on campouts it was a problem that I don't want anymore.  650B bikes 
> in my size never have TCO.  
>
> So, if I still had the Appaloosa, I'd still ride it and it would still be 
> great, but I would wish it was 650B and I would wish that it had a slightly 
> shorter top tube for a better drop bar setup.  The Atlantis is perfect.  
> The fact that it is an instantly recognizeable ICON of a machine also makes 
> the Atlantis perfect, in my eyes.  I also prefer less seatpost showing on a 
> 56 from the 55 Appaloosa.  The original Atlantis was a masterpiece.  I'm 
> now convinced the MIT Atlantis is flat out better (for me).  
>
> Bill Lindsay
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[RBW] Re: Nitto Moustache Handlebars, Nitto Stem, and Grand Bois 650B tires

[2sheltiedogs]

MORE PICTURES..

https://drive.google.com/open?id=11la5Kc31djGIYTPZLWyeJiESqcar1UC9


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[RBW] Nitto Moustache Handlebars, Nitto Stem, and Grand Bois 650B tires

[2sheltiedogs]

Hello All,

PICTURES HERE  

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BDQKYkk8X-46Z2hNnMGI84wDQEWeAfWB/view?usp=sharing


I have Nitto Moustache handlbars (brand new), Nitto handlebar stem (brand 
new), and two Grand Bois 650B x 42 tires (used but have alot of miles 
left).  

Package deal at $125.  I prefer a local sale (Bay Area) but open to 
shipping at cost.

I can be reached via email at jnma...@yahoo.com

Thanks!

James Manou
Menlo Park, CA

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[RBW] Re: Wind, fixed gears, drop bars, and old ladies, nice and nasty

[Patrick Moore]

The Tifosi photochromatic shades were my only sartorial sin; I rode in
jeans and button-down shirt (and Bianchi cap, but *that's *no sin).

On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 4:04 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> ... Nice old ladies, who are polite even if they look askance at the more
> aggressively styled riding sunglasses* (as well they might; sly, offensive
> things; I wear them only to protect my eyes)'
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[RBW] Re: RBW 25 -Atlantic side of things

[mcburnjow]

Just to remind everyone we have the 25th SERiv ride set for May 3/4/5 in 
Greenville SC. There is a separate Google Group called SE Ride with all the 
details. Check it out. If you think you might be interested join the group. We 
plan to start regular updates and would love to see Fellow riv’rs there! 

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[RBW] Wind, fixed gears, drop bars, and old ladies, nice and nasty

[Patrick Moore]

It is our windy season (but we don't have winds like Deacon's winds) and I
had to ride to the Corrales main post office because the closer branch one
was closed for lunch. And because the wind was from the North at steady
20-something with gusts to mid-30s, I had to detour a couple of miles
instead of riding NNE along the too-narrow main Corrales road. So, almost
10 miles outbound of which 7 were either north or NW.

I debated moving the chain to the 19 t cog, but decided to give the 17 a
try (17/19 Dingle, 22 fw on flip side; 70/63/54 gi) and found it not too
bad, except during the worst gusts (had to stand a few times on the flat)
as long as I hunkered down in the hooks and took it easy. 11.47 mph average
outbound, clock running.

I did take Corrales Road homeward, south, and could have used a gear well
into the 80s.

17.25 miles total and entirely enjoyable! So much does depend on attitude!
It took me years to learn not to fight wind. I guess I've learned.

While at Sprout's, the old lady in front of me inquired about the Rivendell
and admired the VO "hammered" fenders. I've found that there seem to be 2
kinds of old ladies in grocery stores: Nice old ladies, who are polite even
if they look askance at the more aggressively styled riding sunglasses* (as
well they might; sly, offensive things; I wear them only to protect my
eyes)' and the nasty sort who try to cut in front of you; to one of whom my
brother, youthful then, and long ago, said: "You may be old, but that
doesn't give you the right to be nasty."

Patrick "you meet the nicest people on a Rivendell", who is old enough to
remember the Honda ad.

"nother brother anecdote: Once long ago, in an LA office building elevator
in full riding regalia, a woman told him, "My, you look forbidding!"

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day. 56cm 650B Atlantis

[Mike Williams]

Got it,  all excellent points Bill.   Thank you for the detailed response!   
-Mike

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 3, 2019, at 5:28 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> 
> I said the 56cm 650B Atlantis was a perfect bike and that I wouldn't change a 
> thing.  
> 
> Mike Williams asked for a comparison with the Joe Appaloosa, which is an 
> excellent bike.  There are a few small but notable differences that make the 
> Joe Appaloosa a very good bike for Bill Lindsay, and make the Atlantis a 
> perfect bike for Bill Lindsay.  
> 
> They both ride great.  The 55cm Joe Appaloosa is ideally set up with Choco 
> bars, in my opinion.  For me, drop bars are just better, and the top tube 
> length of the Joe Appaloosa would have made a drop bar setup goofy for me.  
> The 56cm Atlantis has a slightly shorter top tube and is perfect with drop 
> bars and a 9cm stem.  The 55cm Joe Appaloosa has 700c wheels. When you run it 
> with stout wheels and tires, those heavy wheels make the bike more cruiserish 
> and less agile, in my opinion.  The 650B wheels of the Atlantis are far more 
> preferable in handling.  It is possible that lightweight 700c wheels and 
> tires could get some of that back.  My preferred agility in 650B could easily 
> be countered by another person's stability in 700c.  Finally, I really 
> dislike toe clip overlap.  I really dislike it and avoid it whenever I can.  
> I bought the Appaloosa thinking it wouldn't have TCO for me, because it had a 
> really long front center.  It had less TCO than my 700c 58cm Atlantis that I 
> used to have, but it still happened, and fully loaded on campouts it was a 
> problem that I don't want anymore.  650B bikes in my size never have TCO.  
> 
> So, if I still had the Appaloosa, I'd still ride it and it would still be 
> great, but I would wish it was 650B and I would wish that it had a slightly 
> shorter top tube for a better drop bar setup.  The Atlantis is perfect.  The 
> fact that it is an instantly recognizeable ICON of a machine also makes the 
> Atlantis perfect, in my eyes.  I also prefer less seatpost showing on a 56 
> from the 55 Appaloosa.  The original Atlantis was a masterpiece.  I'm now 
> convinced the MIT Atlantis is flat out better (for me).  
> 
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day. 56cm 650B Atlantis

[Bill Lindsay]

I said the 56cm 650B Atlantis was a perfect bike and that I wouldn't change 
a thing.  

Mike Williams asked for a comparison with the Joe Appaloosa, which is an 
excellent bike.  There are a few small but notable differences that make 
the Joe Appaloosa a very good bike for Bill Lindsay, and make the Atlantis 
a perfect bike for Bill Lindsay.  

They both ride great.  The 55cm Joe Appaloosa is ideally set up with Choco 
bars, in my opinion.  For me, drop bars are just better, and the top tube 
length of the Joe Appaloosa would have made a drop bar setup goofy for me.  
The 56cm Atlantis has a slightly shorter top tube and is perfect with drop 
bars and a 9cm stem.  The 55cm Joe Appaloosa has 700c wheels. When you run 
it with stout wheels and tires, those heavy wheels make the bike more 
cruiserish and less agile, in my opinion.  The 650B wheels of the Atlantis 
are far more preferable in handling.  It is possible that lightweight 700c 
wheels and tires could get some of that back.  My preferred agility in 650B 
could easily be countered by another person's stability in 700c.  Finally, 
I really dislike toe clip overlap.  I really dislike it and avoid it 
whenever I can.  I bought the Appaloosa thinking it wouldn't have TCO for 
me, because it had a really long front center.  It had less TCO than my 
700c 58cm Atlantis that I used to have, but it still happened, and fully 
loaded on campouts it was a problem that I don't want anymore.  650B bikes 
in my size never have TCO.  

So, if I still had the Appaloosa, I'd still ride it and it would still be 
great, but I would wish it was 650B and I would wish that it had a slightly 
shorter top tube for a better drop bar setup.  The Atlantis is perfect.  
The fact that it is an instantly recognizeable ICON of a machine also makes 
the Atlantis perfect, in my eyes.  I also prefer less seatpost showing on a 
56 from the 55 Appaloosa.  The original Atlantis was a masterpiece.  I'm 
now convinced the MIT Atlantis is flat out better (for me).  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 2 Gus Boots For Sale on Riv Site

[Max S]

Staying abroad for a bit and seeing a lot of electric "bikes" and scooters 
all over the place. All on disc brakes, most on small diameter wheels with 
fat tires, many making noise upon application. Extra weight of discs, 
"harsh ride", blah blah blah – all of that is mitigated by a kW-hrs of 
on-board free power. People ride those darn things in the roads, on 
sidewalks, with grocery bags and child seats... Some ride them to the train 
station, park them at the rack, yank out the battery pack, and go catch the 
train. Other two-wheeled commuters fold down the mast of their Bird 
electric scooter and get on. Those are folks with disposable income, or 
folks that don't have a car. People in the city riding regular 
human-powered bikes are poor students, and even those are switching to 
rent-by-the-minute electric scooters. 'Cos if we're really thinking 
"practicality," what people want is the quickest way of getting from A to B 
without getting sweaty. 

That whole market for "wheels" and two-wheeled vehicle accoutrements is 
growing much faster in the battery-powered segment than the regular 
human-powered bike market. Parts availability is driven by the scale of 
demand and growth... Light rims with brake surfaces seem to be on the wane 
compared to disc wheels – just a bit cheaper to make, multiplied by number 
of units. 

And it's really too bad, because for the pleasure of efficient riding of an 
optimally light, long-lived, trouble-free, human-powered velocipede, rim 
brakes and corresponding rims are a marvelously evolved system. Disc brakes 
are the equivalent of an SUV, if you ask me... Unnecessary and inelegant. 
Yes, they make it easier for occupants to get in and out, and give them a 
false sense of superiority / security by virtue of a higher perch, but tire 
traction remains the ultimate limiter, and waining driver attention even 
more so. To some extent, so are some of the overbuilt, double-tt Riv 
models, but there at least you're gaining longevity of service that will 
allow the bike to be perfectly (field) serviceable and casually inspectable 
50 years from now. And that's more along the lines of what Riv is going 
for, so why gang up on them for it? Yes, there's maybe a continuum between 
curly lugs and tig-welded joints, between long-reach calipers (dual pivot 
is already a compromise, no?) and discs, but do we know how many sales is 
Riv really missing due to lack of disc brakes on GBW?.. Maybe a lot, and 
maybe that's also why BMW & Porsche started making SUVs, but that's just a 
temporary stop along the way of windowless, monitor-clad, self-driving pods 
with high bandwidth connections. 

Anyhow, if you really want a disc-equipped GBW, would it be that difficult 
to order a Surly or Soma fork for it and try it out?.. 

- Max "it's getting late here and I kinda want a Riv-made Brompton" 


On Monday, March 25, 2019 at 10:32:06 PM UTC+2, Collin A wrote:
>
> Heyo,
>
> Not sure if this was on people's radar or not, but it looks like there is 
> a pair of GBW on the web specials page on Riv, for what I imagine will end 
> up being a bargain. I'd grab one, but I am a wee bit too small for the 
> medium, it looks like.
>
> Happy Monday!
> Collin A
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bikelessness

[REC (Roberta)]

Excellent!  Before you know it, you might have lots of Riv friends to ride 
around with.  :)

Remember, Clem H's won't be restocked, so if he's serious, he should look 
at their website before it's too late.

Roberta

On Wednesday, April 3, 2019 at 2:42:49 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> He loves it. He’s getting one - if not now, he says for sure later! 
>
> Sent from my iPhone 
>
> > On Apr 3, 2019, at 11:31 AM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasa...@gmail.com > wrote: 
> > 
> > Friends! 
> > 
> > I’m at REI but I can’t get my Clem back because the tech is in love with 
> it and out riding somewhere! 
> > 
> > He expressed all sorts of interest in it and had never heard of Riv, so 
> we chatted while he put the finishing touches on it and he is ALL KINDS OF 
> EXCITED. Keeps saying, “I really like this bike. Now THIS is a cool bike. I 
> saw it on the rack and the paint and the cork grips caught my attention. 
> I’m going to check it out online and I think this is going to be expensive 
> for me.” 
> > 
> > Update: He’s back and said “This bike rides BEAUTIFULLY!” 
> > 
> > See? This is why it all happened this way! 
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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day. 56cm 650B Atlantis

[Mike Williams]

Hey there Bill,  you also had/ have a Joe App, right?   Is the Atlantis any 
different?   Thanks!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 3, 2019, at 3:54 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> 
> I'm about 200 miles into the Atlantis now, and I'm convinced it is a perfect 
> bike.  There isn't a thing I would change about it.  I am certain there is 
> not another <$1500 frameset out there that is intended for the same kind of 
> riding that is better.  Rivendells in general for 2019 are highly evolved 
> bikes for traditional riding use-cases.  Virtually everything else in the 
> bike industry of 2019 is either not highly evolved, or is made for extreme 
> and/or specialized riding use cases.  If you are a normal person, doing 
> normal cycling, the Atlantis is a perfect machine.  There's no question that 
> the Atlantis could be a one-bike stable for me.  I'd never actually try to 
> live with a one-bike stable, but I'm totally confident I could.
> 
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> 
> On Friday, March 8, 2019 at 3:21:11 PM UTC-8, John Bokman wrote:
>> 
>> Time for a review yet?
>> I'm eager to hear about the ride - especially with the long stays.
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, January 16, 2019 at 10:30:21 AM UTC-8, Mark Schneider wrote:
>>> That's one sweet build Bill, look forward to a review.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
 On Saturday, January 12, 2019 at 2:45:36 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
 As man of you noticed I put four framesets up for sale with the intent to 
 buy one new one. I only sold one of the four, with a bit of interest on 
 two more, but went ahead and picked up my new MIT Atlantis frameset 
 yesterday. It's a 56cm with 650B x 55mm tires.  The entire build kit came 
 off my 54cm Rosco Bubbe Step Through.  It's got a 2x10 Shimano drivetrain, 
 CX70 brakes, Cliffhanger rims.  I'm going to use it as a drop bar mountain 
 bike and a forest road explorer up in Gold Country.  I'm pleased with how 
 the build turned out and I'm excited about the bike.  Besides the longer 
 chainstays and the absence of a second top tube, this bike is basically 
 identical to the 56cm Bombadil I used to have.  
 
 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA
 
 
 
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[RBW] Re: New bike day. 56cm 650B Atlantis

[Bill Lindsay]

I'm about 200 miles into the Atlantis now, and I'm convinced it is a 
perfect bike.  There isn't a thing I would change about it.  I am certain 
there is not another <$1500 frameset out there that is intended for the 
same kind of riding that is better.  Rivendells in general for 2019 are 
highly evolved bikes for traditional riding use-cases.  Virtually 
everything else in the bike industry of 2019 is either not highly evolved, 
or is made for extreme and/or specialized riding use cases.  If you are a 
normal person, doing normal cycling, the Atlantis is a perfect machine.  
There's no question that the Atlantis could be a one-bike stable for me.  
I'd never actually try to live with a one-bike stable, but I'm totally 
confident I could.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, March 8, 2019 at 3:21:11 PM UTC-8, John Bokman wrote:
>
> Time for a review yet?
> I'm eager to hear about the ride - especially with the long stays.
>
> On Wednesday, January 16, 2019 at 10:30:21 AM UTC-8, Mark Schneider wrote:
>>
>> That's one sweet build Bill, look forward to a review.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Saturday, January 12, 2019 at 2:45:36 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> As man of you noticed I put four framesets up for sale with the intent 
>>> to buy one new one. I only sold one of the four, with a bit of interest on 
>>> two more, but went ahead and picked up my new MIT Atlantis frameset 
>>> yesterday. It's a 56cm with 650B x 55mm tires.  The entire build kit came 
>>> off my 54cm Rosco Bubbe Step Through.  It's got a 2x10 Shimano drivetrain, 
>>> CX70 brakes, Cliffhanger rims.  I'm going to use it as a drop bar mountain 
>>> bike and a forest road explorer up in Gold Country.  I'm pleased with how 
>>> the build turned out and I'm excited about the bike.  Besides the longer 
>>> chainstays and the absence of a second top tube, this bike is basically 
>>> identical to the 56cm Bombadil I used to have.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Clem Accessories

[Steve Butcher]

I still have the Clem front basket for sale.  I'd like $ 45.00 shipped in 
lower 48 CONUS.  Please DM me off list with questions.  Steve

On Monday, March 11, 2019 at 4:42:51 AM UTC-5, Steve Butcher wrote:
>
> Good Morning, Forum and all the Clem folks out there,
>I'm offering for sale as one package my Riv Bosco basket and Olive 
> Sackviille Clemasack.  I purchased them earlier in the past year for my 
> Rosco Bubbe but no longer need the extra carrying capacity.  Really, only 
> used the setup to carry my lunch...Actually. both items are in as new 
> condition, they have always been stored in my garage and never wet.  I 
> don't have photos for you but they look just like the ones in Riv's online 
> store.  I want $90.00 net for the package and I'll cover shipping in 
> CONUS.  I may likely use some of the funds to make a purchase from Riv.  
> Please DM me with any questions.
>
> Steve Butcher
> Stockton, Missouri
> 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bikelessness

[Joe Bernard]

Nice work, Leah! 

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[RBW] WTB: 61cm Roadini frameset

[Reid Echols]

Hi folks, 

Just curious if anyone has a tall Roadini they're looking to move on, as 
I'm currently short a roadish bike in the stable. Funds are a bit tight 
with a recent move, but I thought I'd see what's out there (and see if any 
opportunities for mutually interesting trades might be afoot--the parts bin 
runneth over). 

If you have something in the same spirit (and are in the 96+ PBH range), 
let me know--if nothing else it's fun to look! 

Thanks, 
Reid in Austin 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bikelessness

[Leah Peterson]

He loves it. He’s getting one - if not now, he says for sure later!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 3, 2019, at 11:31 AM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>  wrote:
> 
> Friends!
> 
> I’m at REI but I can’t get my Clem back because the tech is in love with it 
> and out riding somewhere! 
> 
> He expressed all sorts of interest in it and had never heard of Riv, so we 
> chatted while he put the finishing touches on it and he is ALL KINDS OF 
> EXCITED. Keeps saying, “I really like this bike. Now THIS is a cool bike. I 
> saw it on the rack and the paint and the cork grips caught my attention. I’m 
> going to check it out online and I think this is going to be expensive for 
> me.” 
> 
> Update: He’s back and said “This bike rides BEAUTIFULLY!”
> 
> See? This is why it all happened this way!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bikelessness

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Friends!

I’m at REI but I can’t get my Clem back because the tech is in love with it and 
out riding somewhere! 

He expressed all sorts of interest in it and had never heard of Riv, so we 
chatted while he put the finishing touches on it and he is ALL KINDS OF 
EXCITED. Keeps saying, “I really like this bike. Now THIS is a cool bike. I saw 
it on the rack and the paint and the cork grips caught my attention. I’m going 
to check it out online and I think this is going to be expensive for me.” 

Update: He’s back and said “This bike rides BEAUTIFULLY!”

See? This is why it all happened this way!

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 2 Gus Boots For Sale on Riv Site

[S]

I agree. From a pure business standpoint — and I *know* Riv is about more than 
that — if other companies are profiting by selling what are essentially 
Rivendell bikes with disc brakes, then Rivendell may as well make those bikes 
themselves. 

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[RBW] Re: Ride Report: Eastern Cape, North Island, New Zealand

[tc]

Wow, John, you know how to travel!  Could you share with us your method for 
packing and shipping your bike back and forth?

Tom

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[RBW] Re: Toronto Recommendations.

[Kieran J]

These may still be current?
https://www.blogto.com/toronto/the_best_coffee_in_toronto/

Some that I've enjoyed:

- Dark Horse on Spadina
- Manic on College St.
- Sam James (couple different locations)
- if you are in the west end, stop in at Cherry Bomb on Roncesvalles. Was 
my fav place and usually has a Mariposa or some other neat bike hanging on 
the wall

KJ


On Wednesday, April 3, 2019 at 9:47:18 AM UTC-7, David B wrote:
>
> Thanks for these! I sorta figured that biking would really just be an easy 
> way to get around the area for transport. I'm coming from Chicago, and 
> utilize bike share here a lot, and have experience with bike share in other 
> cities. I am indeed tall, and find that Chicago bike share bikes have 
> seatpost tall enough, but other cities' bikes do not, but still manageable 
> for getting around from neighborhood to neighbourhood. 
> Seems like exploring a bit is the thing to do - a couple shops to visit, 
> and resounding recommendations for Kensington Market.
> Now that biking recommendations have been given...
> Any specific coffeeshops in the downtown area? I'll be at a conference 
> that'll be in several locations in the downtown area.
> Thanks,
> David
>
> On Tuesday, April 2, 2019 at 9:30:30 PM UTC-5, Kieran J wrote:
>>
>> Toronto is a great city to visit for many reasons, but bike-related stuff 
>> and cycling is arguably not one of them. When I lived there I did a lot of 
>> commuting, but nearly all good riding is outside of town. That said, using 
>> a bike to get from place to place in the downtown area and waterfront is a 
>> neat way to see the city. 
>>
>> For bike shops, Urbane Cyclist and Hoopdriver are the main Bobish/unique 
>> shops I used to frequent. Urbane is central so you could check that out. HD 
>> is way in the West end and is probably not worth a long haul out there. You 
>> might also check out Velocolour if you give Noah/Suzanne a heads-up in 
>> advance. It's a pretty neat place to visit (depending on their schedule) 
>> and they have some swag for sale for a souvenir. Same thing with Bicycle 
>> Specialities/Mariposa, although I was only there once years back when VC 
>> was located there, and it is somewhat far out in the East end.
>>
>> Personally, I would focus on food, culture, exploring the neighbourhoods 
>> like Kensington Market, Queen St. West, Roncesvalles/High Park. Restaurant 
>> selection is virtually limitless - hard to know even where to start. Lots 
>> of great coffee and some good breweries too.
>>
>> It is a flat city so getting around on a too-small Bikeshare (aren't you 
>> a tall dude?) shouldn't be too bad. Also, wear a helmet and take lots of 
>> back streets. Toronto drivers are nutty nuts.
>>
>> Kieran
>> Victoria, BC
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 2, 2019 at 5:55:49 AM UTC-7, David B wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello RBW-OBers!
>>>
>>> This group has had some great city-specific recommendations in the past, 
>>> so I'll ask for recommendations again.
>>> I'll be in Toronto for a long weekend in a few days and was interested 
>>> in short bike ride recommendations and/or place of interest of a bicycling 
>>> nature (or just in general). I'll be downtown, near the Harbourfront. 
>>> I'll likely get a 3-day bikeshare pass and use that as transportation 
>>> around the city.
>>> Any and all recommendations are welcome!
>>> David
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 2 Gus Boots For Sale on Riv Site

[S]

I agree. Mark makes good points, but, from a pure business perspective — and I 
*know* Riv is about more than that — if other companies are going to 
essentially make Riv bikes with disc brakes, then Rivendell might as well do it 
themselves, do it better, and get the money.

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 2 Gus Boots For Sale on Riv Site

[S]

I have been thinking about that as well. Mark makes good points, but, from a 
pure business perspective — and I *know* Riv is about more than that — if other 
companies are just going to essentially make Riv bikes with disc brakes, then 
Rivendell might as well do it themselves, do it better, and get the money. 

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[RBW] Re: Toronto Recommendations.

[David B]

Thanks for these! I sorta figured that biking would really just be an easy 
way to get around the area for transport. I'm coming from Chicago, and 
utilize bike share here a lot, and have experience with bike share in other 
cities. I am indeed tall, and find that Chicago bike share bikes have 
seatpost tall enough, but other cities' bikes do not, but still manageable 
for getting around from neighborhood to neighbourhood. 
Seems like exploring a bit is the thing to do - a couple shops to visit, 
and resounding recommendations for Kensington Market.
Now that biking recommendations have been given...
Any specific coffeeshops in the downtown area? I'll be at a conference 
that'll be in several locations in the downtown area.
Thanks,
David

On Tuesday, April 2, 2019 at 9:30:30 PM UTC-5, Kieran J wrote:
>
> Toronto is a great city to visit for many reasons, but bike-related stuff 
> and cycling is arguably not one of them. When I lived there I did a lot of 
> commuting, but nearly all good riding is outside of town. That said, using 
> a bike to get from place to place in the downtown area and waterfront is a 
> neat way to see the city. 
>
> For bike shops, Urbane Cyclist and Hoopdriver are the main Bobish/unique 
> shops I used to frequent. Urbane is central so you could check that out. HD 
> is way in the West end and is probably not worth a long haul out there. You 
> might also check out Velocolour if you give Noah/Suzanne a heads-up in 
> advance. It's a pretty neat place to visit (depending on their schedule) 
> and they have some swag for sale for a souvenir. Same thing with Bicycle 
> Specialities/Mariposa, although I was only there once years back when VC 
> was located there, and it is somewhat far out in the East end.
>
> Personally, I would focus on food, culture, exploring the neighbourhoods 
> like Kensington Market, Queen St. West, Roncesvalles/High Park. Restaurant 
> selection is virtually limitless - hard to know even where to start. Lots 
> of great coffee and some good breweries too.
>
> It is a flat city so getting around on a too-small Bikeshare (aren't you a 
> tall dude?) shouldn't be too bad. Also, wear a helmet and take lots of back 
> streets. Toronto drivers are nutty nuts.
>
> Kieran
> Victoria, BC
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 2, 2019 at 5:55:49 AM UTC-7, David B wrote:
>>
>> Hello RBW-OBers!
>>
>> This group has had some great city-specific recommendations in the past, 
>> so I'll ask for recommendations again.
>> I'll be in Toronto for a long weekend in a few days and was interested in 
>> short bike ride recommendations and/or place of interest of a bicycling 
>> nature (or just in general). I'll be downtown, near the Harbourfront. 
>> I'll likely get a 3-day bikeshare pass and use that as transportation 
>> around the city.
>> Any and all recommendations are welcome!
>> David
>>
>

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[RBW] Boyz on the Hoods Yard Sale, 4/28/19 @ Precita Park, San Francisco

[Irving]

Do those old bikes and bike parts still spark joy?

If not, bring em down to Precita Park 
 on Sunday 4/28/19 at noon 
and offload em to some other suckers err I mean friends.

Bring a picnic blanket to display your wares. Got something good you’re 
planning on bringing? Post it below in the comments to advertise it to 
other potential buyers.

I’ll have a limited amount of Supple, NEATO and Anti Supple Supple Club 
stickers  available for purchase.


More info here: http://www.boyzonthehoods.com/?p=2881

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[RBW] Re: FS: Orange Ramboulliet 56 in NJ

[Jon Kaplan]

I prefer not packing and shipping, but would ship at cost.

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 2 Gus Boots For Sale on Riv Site

[ian m]

Of course talking about disc brakes on this bike is an exercise in 
futility, but it is interesting to consider their use in the industry today 
and in the future. For me, I look at a company like Crust Bikes and see 
more or less a humongous bite out of Riv's market share. The Evasion is 
basically a MIT Atlantis with disc brakes. The Romanceur looks like an 
earlier iteration Riv bike, just with disc brakes. Riv is now even using 
the same overhyped lifestyle icon as a marketing tool. Sure there's no 
reason for the two companies to be at odds, and some may say a rising tide 
lifts all boats, but it also seems like a HUGE loss and missed opportunity 
for Riv to have grown their ridership and offer bikes that obviously a lot 
of people are interested in riding.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv HHH tandem fundraiser 2.0, updated campaign!

[Denise Granger]

Let me know if you need any help with assembly - would be fun!

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> On Apr 2, 2019, at 5:02 PM, Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles 
> <4824...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Owners Bunch is the Best Bunch!!! We swished through our goal right at the 
> buzzernice!  I'll be talking with Will at Riv HQ about next steps etc.  
> I'm curious if they will have a preference on build parts.  I know I have a 
> NOS tandem crankset that needs a home along with a couple other ancillary 
> parts I could throw at the project.  Once I get Riv to weigh in I'll be back 
> in touch with everyone.  Cheers again!! Talk soon...
> 
> -Alex in Rochester
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Re: [RBW] Re: Weird Comments from the Peanut Gallery...

[Ron Mc]

A server at the Sunday morning coffee stop drooling over a Cervelo S5 
"parked among all these townies"

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[RBW] Re: What is maximum stem height on Joe Appaloosa 51cm?

[Shoji Takahashi]

Here's a youtube video, which might make written instructions easier to 
understand:
https://youtu.be/ErUafGLsdGU

There are probably better ones, particularly for your desire to raise the 
bars, but this gives you an idea of what to do. (Hammer might or might not 
be necessary to unstick the stem.)

BTW: I'd recommend looking at your cables to make sure you have enough 
slack to move the bars higher.

Good luck!
Shoji
Arlington MA


On Tuesday, April 2, 2019 at 11:01:47 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Sounds good, Roberta. I'll try to simplify the instructions for you a bit 
> - I just re-read this and I over-explained things - and will send you a 
> couple how-to pics on one of my bikes. It's easy once you know it, but I 
> gotta not be a confusing mechanic teacher first!

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[RBW] Re: Acorn Bags for sale

[Steve Butcher]

The bags have been sold and are on their way to their new owner.

On Tuesday, March 26, 2019 at 8:34:53 PM UTC-5, Dave Brandt wrote:
>
> Thanks for letting us know and if it doesn’t work out please contact me.

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[RBW] Re: Toronto Recommendations.

[Thomas Blak]

You will be really close to the Distillery District 
 which to me is the best part of 
Toronto for visitors. 

Kensington has been mentioned and it is right beside China Town #1, so you 
should check that out. 

Riding along the lake can be quite enjoyable. If you ride west you should 
go to at least the Humber River. If you are feeling adventurous ride north 
along the Humber River to Old Mill. The have a really nice High Tea if you 
are riding with someone else. Hoopdriver is not that far from Old Mill. It 
really is the best bike shop in the city. Also on the way to Hoopdriver is 
one of the best bakeries in the city. French bakery with a Japanese twist. 
Patisserie 
27 , has the best croissants outside of 
France, plus the other goodies with Japanese fusion. 

Another nice ride is to the Brickworks 
. This is an interesting 
ride because it is like you are in the country but you are actually in the 
middle of the city. Totally accessible by bike paths. 

For restaurants, there is so much to chose from. Toronto is multicultural, 
so you can chose any food you want. I tried Syrian food last week and loved 
it. My recommendations are Greek Town  along 
the Danforth. My recommendation is Pantheon  
and make sure you order the flaming cheese (Saganaki). My favorite 
restaurant is Bistro Camino. Japanese owned French restaurant with Japanese 
fusion. Not really a place to ride too but the subway will take you there. 

Great neighbourhoods are abundant. The Junction is worthy of a visit but I 
am biased I live there. There are craft breweries if you are into that 
stuff, and other great restaurants. Ossington and Dundas West 
neighbourhood, also have great restaurants. Korean Town if you fancy Korean 
food. Little Italy along College Street is another Toronto landmark. 

Here is a quote from Christopher Hume a writer from the Toronto Star 
newspaper. 

Think of tourists who come here and visit only the Eaton Centre, CN Tower 
and, say, Yonge-Dundas Square. They could return home and claim to have 
seen the sites, but did they experience Toronto? We understand why they 
wouldn’t bother with North York or Etobicoke, but what about Queen West, 
Roncesvalles, Ossington or the Danforth? Not only do these places offer 
lots of character and appeal, they are ideal for observing Torontonians up 
close.

source:Toronto Star 


So that should get you started in your research of where and what you want 
to do in Toronto. Three days won't be enough but it will give you a taste 
of what the city has to offer. 




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[RBW] Re: Jan’s take on transfer of motor racing bits to bikes

['Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Cute little video that goes with it. I thought maybe it was Photoshopped 
but it's a real thing!

David

On Monday, April 1, 2019 at 3:53:41 PM UTC-7, Mike Packard wrote:
>
> VO too: 
> https://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2019/04/introducing-new-l-handlebar-bag.html
>
>

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