[RBW] Re: Skis for AllTrails...

[John Speare]

very much alive. very well.

I have a family place on a river about 30 minutes from Altia NA HQ, which 
is in a tiny tiny village called Curlew in NE Washington state  -- I just 
went up last week and finally purchased a set of factory seconds. Altai is 
popular around here given the proximity to the HQ. I opted for 3-pin 
bindings to be a bit more planted. I took them out on boulder pass (5000 ft 
peak about 15 miles from their store) for a quick spin on the way home. 
Fun! I think of them as I did the original mountain bikes when I was young: 
as a way to get out there, explore, and adventure. 

The crew meets most sundays on Boulder Pass, where there's a traditional 
sno park with groomed skate/Nordic trails as well as access to the Kettle 
Crest Trail (single track perfect for these skis as well as mountain 
biking) -- and I"m pretty sure the most remote, least used snopark in WA.  
Anyway, they told me that after horsing around and skiing there's a fire, 
food, beers, etc. I'm totally pumped on the whole idea...

On Tuesday, December 24, 2019 at 8:21:47 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I talked with them yesterday, so Altai is alive and kickin', if that's 
> what you're wondering, Paul. I think 2016 model denotes an update, not a 
> commitment to update annually. 
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Tuesday, December 24, 2019 at 8:44:55 AM UTC-7, PaulS wrote:
>>
>> I saw these few years ago, but never pulled the trigger.  I like the idea 
>> behind them.  My snowshoes are too wide and I've always felt so clumsy 
>> walking in them, so these make sense.  More maneuverable than the longer XC 
>> skis as well.  
>>
>> The site talks about 2016 models. Are they still being imported?  
>> Fortunately, Black Diamond also has a version of these out.  Bit more 
>> expensive.  But I'm unsure if Altai has updated their site and pricing 
>> lately.
>>
>>
>> https://www.blackdiamondequipment.com/en_US/glidelite-147-with-bindings-BD1301021471.html
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, December 22, 2019 at 9:17:13 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> Attempt to show this is on topic that only does the opposite: I'm 
>>> puzzling out how these might play with me brain so I can strap them to 
>>> Shadowfax, me fixed gear Hunqapillar, ride to the trailhead after a 
>>> delightful deep snow and enjoy skiing with delightful, controlled descents).
>>>
>>> https://altaiskis.com/
>>>
>>> My biggest gripes with backcountry telemark skis back in the 80's and 
>>> 90's was they were too long for skiing trails, too narrow for powder, 
>>> especially breaking trail, required the donning and doffing of skins, 
>>> required proprietary boots that never fit (even worse now I'm 
>>> barefoot/minimalist). In barefoot circles the skis and style of skiing by 
>>> the good folks in the Altai mountains of Asia knew how to do this right and 
>>> proper, and I lamented twelve years ago there were no such skis now. Well, 
>>> there are, now, as of four years ago. Grin. Kind of the rivendell of skiing.
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>>> www.CatholicHalos.org
>>> www.DeaconPatrick.org
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Gifford Pinchot NF

[John Speare]

her'es some maps and pics and stuff from when I did this with friends 
nearly 10 (omg!) years ago.

http://alexwetmore.org/archives/487.html


On Wednesday, May 11, 2016 at 11:22:37 AM UTC-7, Curtis wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> Thanks for the ideas.  Will be in Portland at the end of June and looking 
> to spend several days riding in Gifford NF.
>
> Curtis
>
> On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 10:29 AM, Leaf Slayer  > wrote:
>
>> Look for Babyshoe Pass. I can't remember what road it's on but there's a 
>> long stretch of that on both sides of the summit that is gravel and it can 
>> take you towards Packwood. 
>>
>> Are you coming up here this summer? I'm going to be touring at the end of 
>> June for 5 days, possibly in the Malhuer NF but I haven't ruled out staying 
>> closer to home and just looping around in the Mt Hood NF or Gifford. 
>>
>> --mike
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 11, 2016 at 8:40:36 AM UTC-7, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>>
>>> Mike,
>>>
>>> It doesn't need to be today but I'll message you on FB. 
>>>
>>> I like the Hinterlands route from bike portland, but the question is are 
>>> there decent gravel (NF roads) after Panther Creek Falls via NF 6060 
>>> (Carson Guler Rd/Hollis Creek Rd) to Wind River Hwy North up to Packwood?
>>>
>>> ~Hugh
>>>
>>> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
>>> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>>>
>>> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 4:59 AM, Leaf Slayer  wrote:
>>>
 Hugh, I'll try and post something up a little later today. If I space 
 out, message me through FB to remind me. There are a lot of options. One 
 thing for anyone heading up to Rainer from Packwood or close by, be sure 
 to 
 take Skate Creek Rd. It's not gravel but it's a winner.

 --mike


 On Wednesday, May 11, 2016 at 12:16:25 AM UTC-7, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>
> Hey Mike,
>
> If possible could you illustrate the route you'd take from GPNF 
> through Rainier? Gravel roads preferred.
>
> ~Hugh
>
> On Tuesday, May 10, 2016 at 8:08:29 PM UTC-7, Leaf Slayer wrote:
>>
>> I've done a fair amount of riding and bike camping in the GPNF and 
>> use the FS map. It's fine. I'm not sure how much you've ridden there but 
>> try to incorporate Babyshoe Pass and Lake Takhlakh. Some pictures from a 
>> little 3 day trip a friend and I did a few years back. I've cruised 
>> through 
>> there on two other longer trips. It's also pretty easy to incorporate a 
>> trip into Mt Rainier NP. Enjoy!
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/sets/72157624841177705
>>
>> --mike
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 10, 2016 at 9:45:28 AM UTC-7, Curtis wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Looking into riding for several days in the Gifford Pinchot NF.  
>>> Any advice?  What maps do you use?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Curtis
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Can anyone suggest a good LBS in Spokane WA? particularly one that sells used bikes

[John Speare]

Used bikes: Cup of Cool Water or Bicycle Butler.

LBS: many good shops -- good people. But shops here tend to be fairly 
performance oriented and focused on big 3 brands -- we really need a solid 
commuter/family (think Free Range Bikes or C&O) shop here. In any case, 
good LBS recommendation depends on which part of town he's in. PM me for 
more details.

Thanks.

On Thursday, March 17, 2016 at 11:33:45 AM UTC-7, RoadieRyan wrote:
>
> Hi Group
>
> My big bro has just moved from Seattle to Spokane and now is in position 
> to bike to work, in Seattle I can think of a number of places that sell 
> used bikes that I would trust but I don't know Spokane so any suggestions 
> on either:
>
> A) just a good LBS for tune up, upgrades, sound advice and/or 
> B) a good place to buy used/refurbished bikes
>
> in *The Lilac City *would be appreciated.  If he were still local I could 
> probably refurb one for him myself but that 10 hour round trip in a car 
> puts a damper on that idea.
>
> Thanks in advance for any suggestions
>
> Ryan S
> West Seattle
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[RBW] Re: FS: Nobilette Legolas frameset - 59 cm - $1300

[John Speare]

Hey Leslie.

That's my daughter. That was her bike 
. 
Tarik Saleh's daughter is borrowing it now for a couple years.

Figure out a way to justify how the Legolas is a perfect compliment to your 
canti-Rom.

On Monday, February 16, 2015 at 9:57:23 AM UTC-8, Leslie wrote:
>
> Oh oh oh   
>
> If I didn't already have my canti-Rom 
>
> I remember your blog, your daughter has a custom  Elephant, right? Was 
> drooling on her bike, wondering if my daughter would ride more if she had 
> one, too... 
>
> Nice bike.  Really nice.   Oooo nice. 
>
>

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[RBW] FS: Nobilette Legolas frameset - 59 cm - $1300

[John Speare]

I'm the second owner.

This bike has been ridden a lot, but it's got plenty of life left. And it's 
been a great and super fun bike. 

$1300 includes frame/fork/king headset.

Size: 59 cm
BB drop: 70
ST angle: 73
HT angle: 72.5
Offset: 45
TT: 58
CS: 44
Tubing: 7-4-7 through out.

There's a small dent on one chainstay -- it was there when I bought it. 
Paint is chipped up a bit, but no other dents. 

I'll photo more tomorrow for those who are interested.

In the meantime, lots of pics and bike life story 
here: http://cyclingspokane.blogspot.com/search/label/legolas

If you want the super over-share story that requires wading through a bunch 
of chaff, then use this 
URL: http://cyclingspokane.blogspot.com/search?q=legolas

Please send me an email off-list if you are interested: john at phred dot 
org

Thanks.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Quickbeam.

[John Speare]

Copy that. I must've had a first-run Orange then. Mine had Mavics and I 
still have the front wheel, on which I just busted the axel recently...
 
No fault of Riv/Suzue -- it was in a wonky fork for a while (Legolas 
actually) -- that has since been straightened.
 
Those QBs are fun bikes. I sold mine years ago. Here's a pic/write up from 
aught six... before I learned that if you have your saddle at the right 
height, you don't have to fuss with the saddle tilt: 
http://johndogfood.com/john/qb.html
 

On Tuesday, August 28, 2012 3:45:27 PM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

> Mine (orange first run) was definitely Mavic rims. 
>
> RIP Rear: 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/4391039675/in/photostream/ 
>
>
> On Aug 28, 2012, at 3:33 PM, Jim Mather wrote: 
>
> > When I bought mine, Riv offered me my choice of bars -- noodle, 
> > mustache or albatross. I chose mustache. My rims were Mavic but it 
> > wouldn't surprise me if they used Araya also at some point. Are you 
> > looking for authenticity? 
> > 
> > On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 11:38 AM, tragicallyaverage 
> >  
> > > wrote: 
> >> Thanks for the info. Mine came with the Suzue hubs laced to Araya   
> >> rims. 
> >> Would this have been a Riv offering or do think the hubs were   
> >> rebuilt on 
> >> different rims? The hubs are the quick release type. 
> >> 
> >> On Tuesday, August 28, 2012 1:29:22 PM UTC-5, Jeremy Till wrote: 
> >>> 
> >>> The original parts package on the QB was the standard Riv built   
> >>> list: 
> >>> Nitto Noodle bars, 
> > 
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[RBW] Re: Gratuitous Beer Haulin' Photos

[John Speare]

Here's about 3.5 gallons of beer.
 


 
 
More on the bike here: 
http://cyclingspokane.blogspot.com/search/label/cycle%20truck
 
(very) Tenuous Riv connection: the tool bag on this bike is a Baggins Candy 
Bar bag.
 

On Thursday, August 30, 2012 12:17:26 AM UTC-7, Rob wrote:

> A truly useful bicycle! 
>
> I like where this thread is going.
>
>>
> Rob in Seattle
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[RBW] Re: ISO examples and photos of nice city bikes on a budget

[John Speare]

If she had someone to help source and build it out -- customizing a UJB 
mixte can work out.
 
We did that for my wife's bike years ago and it was well under $1000.
 
http://johndogfood.com/john/lizafuji.html
 
I don't remember the itemized list, but the original bike (fully built up) 
was $50.
The big money item was a new wheelset with Nexus hub -- otherwise, pretty 
standard stuff. I'm guessing it all came in for around $600.
 
She later 650b'ized it and it was way better:
http://cyclingspokane.blogspot.com/2009/02/lizas-650bd-fuji.html
 
 
 
 

On Tuesday, August 21, 2012 4:12:57 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

> A friend wants to take up commuting to her job at Intel, some 4 miles 
> from her house in Rio Rancho: rolling terrain with 200-300 feet of 
> climbing (I estimate) between Intel and her house. Mid '50s, hasn't 
> ridden in five or six years, has residual car accident neck injury 
> that requires an upright position. 
>
> She mistakenly bought a $150 POC (technical term) "comfort bike" that 
> has never been satisfactory and which I persuaded her was not worth 
> attempting to fix or upgrade. 
>
> Her budget is $1,000 or less, and I believe that for such money she 
> can find a decent city bike with fenders, chain guard, good rack, dyno 
> lights, wide range hub gear -- not non-negotiable, tho' thought-proof 
> shifting is, mattress saddle and decent wheels. Tires: she won't fix 
> flats, so it's either "thorn proof" tubes or something like an 
> Armadillo if the Armadillo or substitute is proof against goatheads. I 
> guess I can use the local "system" which consists in cutting the beads 
> off an old tire and using the remaining casing as a tire liner. 
>
> Although she has owned, apparently, at least one decent Trek, she is 
> entirely ignorant of what to buy -- her last attempt resulted in that 
> Big 5 $150 POS/POC -- so it looks as if I can set the parameters and 
> standards (!!!) and my little mind says "city bike" or converted UJB 
> or touring bike, and not "converted mountain bike". 
>
> I'd like to see any of y'all's such examples or near examples, 
> including photos. 
>
> I've seen some very nice modern, aluminum-framed city bikes -- 
> Amersterdams, a very nice Specialized Sports clone, etc. -- but I'm 
> sure y'all have built up others on other plans. Please give total 
> budget for your build, too. I am afraid that she can't afford a 
> Rivendell, but I'd like to get her something "Rivendellianesque". 
>
> Thanks. 
>
> -- 
> "When in Rome, do as they done in Milledgeville." 
>
> Flannery O'Connor 
>
> - 
> Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA 
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> http://resumespecialties.com/index.html 
> - 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell MTB sold on EBay

[John Speare]

650b is cool and all, but I agree with the 26'ers.
 
I don't have good technical reasons for loving 26 on bigger bikes, but I 
love them I do. One of my favorite rides in the past year was borrowing Alex 
Wetmore's 26" 
Giffordfor
 a few days: it's essentially an XO1 with low trail. With the fancy 
Compass tires, I was equally happy on the road, trail, and even down a 
flight of stairs by the U district.
 
And for bikes in the smaller sizes, 26s make great sense. More sense than 
650bs to me.
 
Here's my wife's repurposed 
XO1
.
 
hard not to love that wheel size for a 52cm frame.
 

On Monday, July 9, 2012 10:40:18 AM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

> Come on, get a bombadil and ride the 650b wave! Then again for the price 
> of a built bombadil you are almost at full custom prices. Can you just get 
> the canti studs on a 58 set up for 26" wheels withouth borking the geometry?
> On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Cyclofiend Jim 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> The only stuff I have posted on the Mountain frame is here:
>>
>> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/gen1/#mtnframe
>>
>> (and there's a link there to a thread about the "Generation 1" frames.)
>>
>> - J
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, July 8, 2012 9:44:40 PM UTC-7, iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>> ... (I know that the mtb was only a 55cm, but I was 
>>> guessing that it had a higher bottom bracket.)
>>>
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RE: [RBW] Re: seeking mixed terrain ride reports near olympia, rainier, gifford pinchot, hood, deschutes, crater lake, and klamath

[John Speare]

I went on a tour in Gifford Pinchot a few years ago with some friends. Buddy 
Alex wrote up the details of where we went.

http://alexwetmore.org/?p=487

Day 3 was particularly worth doing again.

John Speare
Spokane, WA
http://cyclingspokane.blogspot.com

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
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Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: seeking mixed terrain ride reports near olympia, 
rainier, gifford pinchot, hood, deschutes, crater lake, and klamath

depending on how this contract wraps up, i may try to squeeze it between now 
and an upcoming wedding. leaving as soon as wednesday night! just decided to do 
this yesterday morning!
On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Manuel Acosta 
mailto:manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Looks good erik. Was planning a similar trip with a buddy of mine. You have any 
dates in mind?
-Manny
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RE: [RBW] Re: What’s Driving the 650B Explosion? Interviews, Tech Breakdown & More! - Bike Rumor

[John Speare]

Actually – best quote in there from Mike Ferrentino (Santa Cruz) is about GP:

“…Another thing to consider – IF this takes off, does anyone realize how much 
crow the industry is going to have to eat listening to grant petersen saying “I 
told you so?””

Bonus point for spelling his name right too.

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Breakdown & More! - Bike Rumor

Yeah, I scanned for that too, not a mention of Grant or Jan. I guess the focus 
was on the hammerhead scene though so "touring" bikes werent relevant to the 
discussion.
On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Liesl mailto:li...@smm.org>> 
wrote:
Funny that Riv/Grant, who it's fair to say started the whole dang thing, isn't 
mentioned at all (at least in my cursory review)

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RE: [RBW] 650C Tire question: Michelin Pro 3 Race versus Conti GP 4000 versus Conti GP Triathlon; others?

[John Speare]

You're right on both accounts.

John Speare
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[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Palincsar
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 3:44 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [RBW] 650C Tire question: Michelin Pro 3 Race versus Conti GP 4000 
versus Conti GP Triathlon; others?

On Thu, 2012-05-24 at 22:36 +0000, John Speare wrote:

> Serfas makes a 571x28c for R&E cycles in Seattle.
> 

Being a pompous bore for a minute, it cannot be 571x28c.  It could be 571x28, 
or it could be 650x28c.  "c" is not a shorcut abbreviation for "mm", it 
distinguishes between 650A, 650B and 650C, also between 700A, 700B (both now 
obsolete) and 700C.



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RE: [RBW] 650C Tire question: Michelin Pro 3 Race versus Conti GP 4000 versus Conti GP Triathlon; others?

[John Speare]

Serfas makes a 571x28c for R&E cycles in Seattle.

$30

http://store01.prostores.com/servlet/rodriguezbicycles/the-7/Serfas-Urbana-650c-x/Detail

John Speare
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From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of PATRICK MOORE
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 12:47 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch
Subject: [RBW] 650C Tire question: Michelin Pro 3 Race versus Conti GP 4000 
versus Conti GP Triathlon; others?

That's 650 SEE, not BEE; they are for the '99 Joe gofast fixed gear.

Anyway, Nashbar has these all on sale, but the 4000s are still $67 while the 
MP3s are just $37, the Tris (what the heck is a triathlon tire, anyway?) is 
$40. All weigh about the same and all are folding but Conti claims tpi of 330 
while the Ms are just 127. I don't know if any of this is relevant to anything, 
but there it is.

I want a light and supple tire that is not too flat prone and something that 
rides as well as the now rather worn GPs (pre "3000," I
think) from some years ago or, for that matter, my benchmark for small, fast 
tires, the 559 Specialized Turbos.

Have any of you used any of these? Any recommendations? I'd go wider if I could 
-- 26 perhaps -- but AFAIK there are no *good* 571 tires in anything but 23. I 
don't want the Terry Telus; if I have to go wide I'd prefer to rebuild to 559 
and use Kojaks. I don't pinch flat; never, when I run 22s or 23s at 85/90 or so 
and they ride cushy enough for me. And I can tell the difference between the 
old Conti GPs and even the very nice Kojaks.

Any other suggestions for other fast, supple 650C tires also welcome.

Thanks.



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RE: [RBW] Conundrum: where to place tail lights?

[John Speare]

Tubus rear rack with integrated light mounts on the rear for B&M 4D Toplight.


John Speare
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From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of PATRICK MOORE
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 4:36 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch
Subject: [RBW] Conundrum: where to place tail lights?

I use both rack-n-panniers and saddlebag (Banana currently; hope to trade a 
nice Banana for a Junior) on the Fargo which of course limits suitable 
placement for rear lights. I've got a bright flasher clamped to the lower 
seatpost and (17" M frame) thus low enough to peep coyly from under the Banana 
and over the rear tire AND between the struts of the rack's front vertical, but 
this is obivously not the best place. I've got a 2AA red LED maglite clamped 
under the left chainstay.

Suggestions for other, better placements, or am I SOL? Lights will have to deal 
with off road riding and having the bike stuffed rudely into the back of a 
small car, so end-of-rack does not work, at least as tried so far, since the 
lights continually get knocked out of position when placed there.

Also, helmet mounting is out.

I do use plenty of reflective matieral, for what that's worth.

Thanks.

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RE: [RBW] What is the best 28-30 mm 700c tire for fast riding on pavement?

[John Speare]

I agree.

I have the Challenge PR's on my bike now, but when they wear out, I'll go back 
to the Cerfs. Awesome tires in every way.

Both of these tires do great on gravel/dirt roads too - for what they are.

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From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of robert zeidler
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 6:17 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] What is the best 28-30 mm 700c tire for fast riding on 
pavement?

+1 on GB's.

On Sunday, April 15, 2012, William wrote:
I've been pretty happy with the Clement Strada TTG (TGG?).  It's more like a 27 
on a narrow rim (open pro)

I'm eager to try the Grand Bois Cerf Green Label and the Challenge Paris Roubaix

On Sunday, April 15, 2012 9:47:12 AM UTC-7, David T. wrote:
What is the best 28-30 mm 700c tire for fast riding on pavement? Or
some good ones?


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RE: [RBW] Re: Newsflash: High-trail Rivendells work with rear-load bias!

[John Speare]

Doug -- I agree with this:

>> FWIW, I've been exploring this issue for
years and keep coming back to the same conclusion:  weight in front
first.

with a big old caveat: as long as the weight is on low riders, not above the 
wheel. Tubus Tara is my favorite. 

I'm going to build a "lasher" rack for my main camping/touring/s240 bike -- the 
idea is to haul heavy stuff up front, and to lash light bulky stuff (sleeping 
pad and bag) on the lasher rack, which will sit low and behind my rear axle.

John Speare
Spokane, WA
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From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] on 
behalf of dougP [dougpn...@cox.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 9:08 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: Newsflash: High-trail Rivendells work with rear-load bias!

My Atlantis has always handled better with a front weight bias.  Just
last weekend I did an S24O with maybe 10 lbs per bag (tent in one,
sleeping bag in the other, misc clothes) and just tossing that onto
the rear was noticeable.  I had my front low riders on so had the
chance to move the same load to the other end on the same ride and
voila!  What a difference.  FWIW, I've been exploring this issue for
years and keep coming back to the same conclusion:  weight in front
first.

Very cool looking rack set-up, Esteban.  Glad it works out; looks like
heel strike wouldn't be an issue.

dougP

On Apr 11, 5:22 pm, EricP  wrote:
> Seems to me Jim Thill posted a while ago that the new Atlantis chainstays
> were pretty long.  Enough so a 970 chain was just barely able to get around
> a similar setup.
>
> To Esteban - nice setup.  Never have tried a low panniers.  Don't have a
> rack equipped for it.  It looks nice on your Protovelo. Afraid the
> bags would pick up too much grime here in Minnesota.  Especially in the
> non-summer months.
>
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 5:19:21 PM UTC-5, franklyn wrote:
>
> > How long is really the chainstay? Grant only wrote that some sizes will
> > have chainstays longer than 46cm. My wife's 1982 Trek 720 has a chainstay
> > of 47cm, and you can definitely see and feel that extra length. One place
> > where one experiences issue is chain length. A brand new SRAM 970 chain out
> > of package is not long enough for 46T chainring/32T large cog combination.
> > I was too lazy to lengthen the chain but tagging on a few more links, but
> > for now just told my wife not to shift to the Big-Big combination lest she
> > wants to break the derailleur.
>
> > Franklyn- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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RE: [RBW] Re: Seattle Honjo Install Recommendation in Seattle

[John Speare]

Free Range is good too.

Riv dealer too.

John Speare

Spokane, WA

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From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] on 
behalf of Lawnsbyt [tklawn...@comcast.net]
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 3:53 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: Seattle Honjo Install Recommendation in Seattle

Aaron's in West Seattle has always done awesome work for my Riv

On Mar 21, 3:40 pm, Ryan Ray  wrote:
> Ive had my fenders installed for me as I didn't want to mess them up and
> guess what? My local bike shop in Seattle (who I love) messed them up. They
> charged me allot and still only charged me half of how long it probably
> took them. Anyone have a good experience getting honjos installed in
> Seattle? I'm not looking for a new LBS, My LBS will always be my LBS as
> long as I live where I live but for this one task I think I need an expert.
> I was thinking of trying Dutch Bike Cafe...
>
> Or any of you experts (like that envy inducing somervillebikes  guy) if you
> want to trade a few hours of my web work for your honjo installation
> experience...
>
> - Ryan

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RE: [RBW] Re: New Drivetrain for my Atlantis

[John Speare]

It's worth getting the Ultrashift versions, which are harder to find now in 
10sp, which makes the 11spd/9spd option perhaps a better choice if you're not a 
hunter and seeker type.

Ultra shift gives you the ability to sweep multiple shifts on the rear 
derailleur in one operation - powershift makes you step through it.

But probably more importantly is that ultra-shift gives you trim on the FD...

IMO, it's worth seeking out the ultra-shift stuff for 10 spd. All 11 speed is 
ultrashift, so you're ok there.

I have 10sp ergo set up on three bikes: two with old XTR derailleurs and one 
with a 9 spd Dura-Ace... works great in all cases with zero fussery.

Seems to me the best option for brifter set ups - you get super nice shifting 
and easy/cheap replacement parts along the drive train.



John Speare
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From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Randall Rupp
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 10:41 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: New Drivetrain for my Atlantis

I'm using it on two bikes, both with Shimano LX long cage rapid rise rear 
derailleurs.  Works fine.  For the front I found that the Powershift (not 
Ultrashift) worked ok.  It can make your head hurt trying to figure out what 
Campy is doing year to year with PowerShift, UltraShift, and even group to 
group.  But Ergos are nice, that's the only reason I did it.

On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Michael_S 
mailto:mikeybi...@rocketmail.com>> wrote:
On my tandem, I'm using a older (M952) XTR long cage derailleur and XTR 12-32 
cassette. shifts like a dream.

~mike


On Saturday, March 24, 2012 6:43:33 AM UTC-7, Patrick in VT wrote:
On Mar 24, 8:34 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
mailto:thill@gmail.com>>
wrote:
> We did a 10-->8 "Shimergo" conversion recently. If we set it up to shift in 
> the middle of the cassette, indexing was suboptimal at the top and bottom of 
> the range. The customer brought it back to us several times for fine-tuning 
> before giving up on the idea. Maybe I missed some subtle nuance to making it 
> work flawlessly, but in my experience it only kinda works. Probably voids any 
> warranty.

What kind of cassette/derailer, Jim?  Just curious.  I have the best
results with a short-cage (Ultegra), currently shifting a 12-30t on a
single ring set-up.  I also get really smooth precise shifting with a
medium cage XTR rapid-rise (which I actually like for the ergo levers
- lets me shift to higher gears from the drops, and sweep up to lower
gears with a single big push of the thumb).  anyway, just wondering if
longer cages are more finicky for shimergo.
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RE: [RBW] Re: 650b ... the next wave.

[John Speare]

Agreed, I'm looking forward to:

-  That same 40mm knobbie

-  Better selection of XC-style sus forks for 584 (heresy on this list, 
I know!)



From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of William
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 11:04 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: 650b ... the next wave.

The speculation is that there have been carbon tubular 650c rims in the 
Tri-community for years, and mountain tubulars to fit same, for years.  That's 
been common in the mountain bike racing community.  Not dominant, but not 
unheard of.  It's obviously possible that DT swiss made a 584 prototype, and 
that Dugast made a tire to fit it.

I don't have any first hand info on any of this.  I ride 584 with fervor, and 
am committed to the wheelsize.  The fact that the industry will be making a 
push to bring it into the mainstream is great in my book.  It's hard to predict 
how it'll make my life more convenient.  At least it will mean more shops will 
stock the tubes and the spokes that I may need.  Since most of the new wave of 
bikes will have disc brakes, we may not see a lot of rims for the rest of us.  
Besides tubes and spokes, the next thing I'm hoping for is a ~40mm knobby, like 
a 650B cyclocross tire.  That would be kind of fun.

On Tuesday, March 20, 2012 10:49:23 AM UTC-7, Patrick in VT wrote:
On Mar 20, 12:56 pm, William mailto:tapebu...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:
> There's rampant speculation that Nino's bike isn't 650B at all.  It's far
> more likely that it's 650C.  Who cares between 571 and 584?  Nobody among
> the converted.  It's just now that the mainstream is about to launch a
> bunch of 584 mountain bikes, they want to claim that 584 wins races, even
> if Nino's bike isn't 584.

why would it be 650c?  that doesn't make any sense.  DT swiss has
confirmed that they're working on 650b wheels and it would make sense
that Nino was on prototypes (his whole bike was a prototype).  Given
the cost of prototyping everything - and the positive feedback from
guys like Nino - I think it's a pretty good indication that DT and
Scott will probably throw their hat in the 650b ring.  why one-off a
650c bike?

On Tuesday, March 20, 2012 10:49:23 AM UTC-7, Patrick in VT wrote:
On Mar 20, 12:56 pm, William mailto:tapebu...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:
> There's rampant speculation that Nino's bike isn't 650B at all.  It's far
> more likely that it's 650C.  Who cares between 571 and 584?  Nobody among
> the converted.  It's just now that the mainstream is about to launch a
> bunch of 584 mountain bikes, they want to claim that 584 wins races, even
> if Nino's bike isn't 584.

why would it be 650c?  that doesn't make any sense.  DT swiss has
confirmed that they're working on 650b wheels and it would make sense
that Nino was on prototypes (his whole bike was a prototype).  Given
the cost of prototyping everything - and the positive feedback from
guys like Nino - I think it's a pretty good indication that DT and
Scott will probably throw their hat in the 650b ring.  why one-off a
650c bike?
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RE: [RBW] Re: Downtube Bosses

[John Speare]

Agreed. Cutting off the existing cable stops and putting a clamp-on solution is 
the quickest/cheapest/dirtiest fix.

Once you've done that, a frame builder could sand the area and braze-on DT 
bosses in a few minutes. Assuming you don't care about the paint, it's a 
trivial fix for a competent builder and likely pretty cheap, depending on your 
local market.



From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Ray
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 10:19 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: Downtube Bosses

* "standard" 28.6mm clamp size
* 8 cogs
* I noticed those clamps on ebay. Definitely worth a try.


Thanks,

Ryan





On Friday, March 9, 2012 9:57:17 AM UTC-8, NickBull wrote:
Hi, HC,

You don't say what diameter downtube you have, nor how many cogs you want to be 
able to shift.  If it is a "standard" 28.6mm clamp size then there are a number 
of alternatives.

I'm assuming that there is room on the downtube above the cable stops for you 
to attach a clamp-on shifter.  Then you can just run the cable through the 
holes in the cable stops.  I don't think that putting the clamp below the cable 
stops would work so well because the shifter will get held up by the cable stop 
and not be able to shift to the "last" gear.

If you're shifting 5, 6, or 7 cogs, then you can go on EBay and find yourself 
the relevant used or NOS clamp-on shifter for your derailleur pretty easily.

If you're trying to shift 8 or 9 cogs, then one strategy is to get a Huret 
clamp that has been modified to work with Dura-Ace downtube shifters from a guy 
who sells these clamps on EBay, search on item 170599854261.

Another strategy is to get crappy SunRace 7-speed downtube shifters and use the 
clamp for those with your Dura-Ace downtube shifters.

Nick

On Friday, March 9, 2012 11:55:10 AM UTC-5, HappyCamper wrote:
I'm trying to move to down tube shifters on a bike that doesn't have bosses. I 
do have cable stops right where the bosses would be. It seems like these would 
get in the way of clamp on shifters right? Do I just need to get the replaced 
by a frame builder?

Also: looking to buy some down tube shifters if anyone has some retroflection, 
power ratchet, or 8 speed shamans...

- Ryan




On Friday, March 9, 2012 11:55:10 AM UTC-5, HappyCamper wrote:
I'm trying to move to down tube shifters on a bike that doesn't have bosses. I 
do have cable stops right where the bosses would be. It seems like these would 
get in the way of clamp on shifters right? Do I just need to get the replaced 
by a frame builder?

Also: looking to buy some down tube shifters if anyone has some retroflection, 
power ratchet, or 8 speed shamans...

- Ryan



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RE: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...

[John Speare]

I agree. There's no black magic here.

And the econodreambike has kind of been done -- with the exception of the 
marketing part.

Kogswell Model D was a Taiwanese-tig welded, direct copy of the Rambo. I don't 
know the Riv models that well, but I'd be willing to bet that the Rambo is 
pretty much geometrically indistinguishable, where it counts anyway, to 
Roadeo/Hilson.

John Speare
Spokane, WA
http://cyclingspokane.blogspot.com


-Original Message-
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[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Thill - Hiawatha 
Cyclery
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 12:50 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 
Trek 610...

Grant certainly doesn't need to work with anybody for David's econodreambike to 
come to fruition. Grant's involvement would be good for marketing and 
publicity, but lots of bike guys and gals have the design chops to pull it off 
without his help. I agree that a tigged and threadless Roadeo/Hilsen knockoff 
could be a good seller if done well and marketed smartly.

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RE: [RBW] Campy Record 10 group on Rambouillet?

[John Speare]

This seems like a good thread to remind people that Campy ergo 10spd brifters 
shift 8 speed shimano perfectly with no fussery, gadgetry, or unnatural acts of 
cable routing. 

I have this set up on my Legolas and two other non-riv bikes. 

It rules. Verily.

John Speare
Spokane, WA
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[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 10:46 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Campy Record 10 group on Rambouillet?

Would I be breaking any RBW aesthetic rules by throwing on a Campy Record 10 
group on my Ramouillet?

And yes, carbon shifters/fd/rd but alloy cranks.

Thoughts?

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RE: [RBW] Re: Atlantis vs. Sam

[John Speare]

As long as we're talking tires for 559, I'll throw my current faves in the ring:

http://www.maxxistires.com/Bicycle/Mountain/MaxxLite-310.aspx

Don't let the knobbies in the picture fool you -- these are round-profile, good 
enough for fast commuting, rough-housing, and trail riding. Super light and 
supple and wonderful. These have become my all-rounders on my 559-wheeled bike 
-- single speed 1990 mb2. 

Second place tire would be 1.75 (non-TG)  pasalas.

I dig 559. I had the 56 cm Atlantis for a while and an XO1 and loved the wheel 
size.  I'm working on a plan for building my perfect 559 frameset at the moment.

559 has turned into the bastardized step child wheel size over the last few 
years, especially as 29ers have come to dominate the mountain bike scene -- 
further degrading the perceived usefulness of 559. The broader adoption of 584 
is also taking part in the smack down. 

Matters not to me! I have bikes with 584 and 622 wheels (and 406) -- but 559 
will always be on at least one  fun, nimble, fast bike in my garage.


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[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Seth Vidal
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To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis vs. Sam

On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 2:08 PM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> Has anyone used these?
>
> http://www.mtbr.com/cat/tires-and-wheels/tire/panaracer/tserv/prd_3575
> 46_151crx.aspx
>

Not in yellow - but I have tservs on our tandem. Good tire - rolls well - nice 
balance between flatproof and plush.

-sv

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RE: [RBW] Fishy EBay posting

[John Speare]

Oops. I mean cSogn. Dar.

From: John Speare
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 9:31 AM
To: 'rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com'
Subject: RE: [RBW] Fishy EBay posting

I'm about 88% sure that's the Rawland dSogn fork.

Which would make it a 650b fork. Hopefully the buyer knew that.



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[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com]<mailto:[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com]>
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Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 12:09 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com<mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [RBW] Fishy EBay posting

I'd say it was a mistake on the sellers part, with no harm meant.  The Pro's 
Closet is a very respected eBay seller and I'm sure that they would have 
changed the ad if they were made aware.

They are great sellers and I wouldn't hesitate to purchase anything from them.

Either way, the buyer got a great deal on a good fork.
Scott


Cheers,
Scott Henry
Dayton, OH





On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 9:46 PM, Justin August 
mailto:justinaug...@gmail.com>> wrote:
http://bit.ly/sMRKYI

Road fork?
Cantis?
1 1/8"?

Curious.

-J

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RE: [RBW] Fishy EBay posting

[John Speare]

I'm about 88% sure that's the Rawland dSogn fork.

Which would make it a 650b fork. Hopefully the buyer knew that.



From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Henry
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 12:09 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Fishy EBay posting

I'd say it was a mistake on the sellers part, with no harm meant.  The Pro's 
Closet is a very respected eBay seller and I'm sure that they would have 
changed the ad if they were made aware.

They are great sellers and I wouldn't hesitate to purchase anything from them.

Either way, the buyer got a great deal on a good fork.
Scott


Cheers,
Scott Henry
Dayton, OH





On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 9:46 PM, Justin August 
mailto:justinaug...@gmail.com>> wrote:
http://bit.ly/sMRKYI

Road fork?
Cantis?
1 1/8"?

Curious.

-J

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RE: [RBW] What's your winter project? 2011 version

[John Speare]

I think I might finally be reaching a level of bike-contentment. This time of 
year I normally have a gob of plans for winter projects. But I'm not feeling a 
burning desire to change much or procure new bikes.

The only for-sure thing I have in my winter queue is to build a "lasher" rack 
for my camping/dirt road explorer bike. The purpose of the lasher is to provide 
a spot, low, in the back, where I can lash light/bulky stuff (sleeping pad and 
bag). 

Maybe I'll overhaul all of my  hubs too. And maybe re-pack my cup/cone bottom 
brackets. But I doubt it.

I might put brifters on one more bike. Since discovering and verifying the 
"Campy 10-speed-shifts-shimano-8-speed perfectly" solution this year, I'm 
tempted to roll that out across all my drop-bar bikes. That whole "shift while 
you stand" deal turns out to be pretty righteous on the commute. I've done it 
for years with bar-ends, but I phased those out over the last couple years in 
favor of indexed 8-speed DT shifters, and shifting while standing and in the 
hoods is a whole different ball of wax.




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[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe Bunik
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 7:04 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] What's your winter project? 2011 version

At long last am happy to post to this list as a bonafide RBW owner (rather than 
by virtue of them being my LBS!)...

Immediate plans are to get the new baby up and running:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/tags/legolas/

After that, rebuild the Miyata 610- which was previously the "poor man" 
substitute of and has been shedding parts for the above! Probably make that 
back into some sorta Japanese cyclotourist inspired build, maybe this time with 
650AA! wheels...

=- Joe Bunik
Rainy day garage fun in
Walnut Creek, CA

On 11/18/11, Kelly Sleeper  wrote:
> Get Quickbeam back from paint.. Assemble
>
> Find 68 cm something and build up.
>
> Kelly
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RE: [RBW] Shimano CX70 cantilever?

[John Speare]

And to make it Riv-specific, here's the CX70 on a Legolas:
http://tinyurl.com/3veblmp

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Speare
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 1:21 PM
To: 'rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com'
Subject: RE: [RBW] Shimano CX70 cantilever?

I've not set up the R550's but I've ridden them and they're the brake that made 
me buy the CX70, which ahs a similar fixed straddle cable set up and geometry.

W/out looking/comparing the two, I'd guess the 70's are shimano'd - nicer 
finish, and slightly lighter - than the 550's, but it's possible they could be 
a different geo.

If you like brakes where you squeeze the lever all the way through to modulate, 
then you'll dig these brakes (both 550 and 70's). Set up properly, the levers 
don't bottom out, but you get a full handful of braking to skid.

If you like more of the v-brake feel, where you're instantly grabbing/stopping 
when you grab the brake, then you may not like them as much.

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Subject: Re: [RBW] Shimano CX70 cantilever?

how do these compare to BR-R550s?

On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 3:23 PM, stevep33 
mailto:steve...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Does anyone have any anecdotal thumbs up or down thoughts on the Shimano CX70 
cantilevers that Riv sells?  Are they powerful? non-squealy? work when wet?

The Rivendell website writeup is favorable and they look nice.
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RE: [RBW] Shimano CX70 cantilever?

[John Speare]

I've not set up the R550's but I've ridden them and they're the brake that made 
me buy the CX70, which ahs a similar fixed straddle cable set up and geometry.

W/out looking/comparing the two, I'd guess the 70's are shimano'd - nicer 
finish, and slightly lighter - than the 550's, but it's possible they could be 
a different geo.

If you like brakes where you squeeze the lever all the way through to modulate, 
then you'll dig these brakes (both 550 and 70's). Set up properly, the levers 
don't bottom out, but you get a full handful of braking to skid.

If you like more of the v-brake feel, where you're instantly grabbing/stopping 
when you grab the brake, then you may not like them as much.

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of bionnaki
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 7:43 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Shimano CX70 cantilever?

how do these compare to BR-R550s?


On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 3:23 PM, stevep33 
mailto:steve...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Does anyone have any anecdotal thumbs up or down thoughts on the Shimano CX70 
cantilevers that Riv sells?  Are they powerful? non-squealy? work when wet?

The Rivendell website writeup is favorable and they look nice.

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RE: [RBW] Shimano CX70 cantilever?

[John Speare]

Thumbs up.

Easy as pie to set up.

Feel perfect - b/t squishy and firm - to me.

I do wish there were a tad more space b/t the pads and the rim for proper cross 
sludge, but the braking is so good and feels so right, I've forgiven them for 
that.



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[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of stevep33
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To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Shimano CX70 cantilever?

Does anyone have any anecdotal thumbs up or down thoughts on the Shimano CX70 
cantilevers that Riv sells?  Are they powerful? non-squealy? work when wet?

The Rivendell website writeup is favorable and they look nice.

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[RBW] Re: Bridgestone Atlantis with Watanabe bags

[John Speare]

On Oct 3, 10:33 am, "Allingham II, Thomas J"
 wrote:
> Is this definitely a Riv Atlantis?  Graphics look different...
>
> Whatever, it IS a stunning bike.
>
>
>

Re-read the subject line: it's a Bridgestone Atlantis.

The fork crowns were later used for XO1 crowns.

According to Riv article from some time ago, Grant said there were
only about 300 (?) made -- and none were imported.

I bought one at my local Goodwill a few years ago for $12.

Too small.


Sold it,.

A few pics here: http://www.johndogfood.com/john/BstoneAtlantis.html

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RE: [RBW] Re: Hennessy Hammocks for bike camping

[John Speare]

There's lots of Hennessy stuff online to check out, but if your deal is 
S24O/bike touring with the hammock, check out Alex Wetmore's stuff: 
http://alexwetmore.org/?p=1149

He's fine-tuned the Hennessy set up into an art. I've gone camping with him a 
few times -- deployment takes about 3 minutes. The trick (not his, but it's 
documented well) is here: http://alexwetmore.org/?p=610


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From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] on 
behalf of Kris [kkjellqu...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 5:21 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: Hennessy Hammocks for bike camping

Timely discussion as I just purchased an Expedition Asym.  I have only
set it up in my back yard but I think I will really like it.  It HAS
to be better than a tent for me.  Not once have I slept well in a tent
without some sort of sleep aid.

I highly recommend watching all the setup videos, etc as it's not
idiot proof.  Also, I recommend the 'snake skins' accessory.  There is
at least one authorized dealer on eBay that offers free snake skins
and shipping.

K

On Aug 31, 8:49 pm, Scotty  wrote:
> I just discovered the Hennessy Hammock in my internet searches for camping
> gear and I find them quite interesting as an alternative to carrying a tent.
> I was wondering if any of you have tried these and what you think of them. I
> think I want one.
>
> http://hennessyhammock.com/

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Re: [RBW] Downtube shifter diehards vs. downtube shifter experimenters

[John Speare]

I like indexed DT 8 speed shifting on my commuter and my long distance bike.
I guess I actually love it.

I'm generally moving towards indexing on most of my bikes:
-- trails bike (Rawland dSogn) has 8 speed brifters -- which I love for
technical climbing.
-- CX (RB-T) bike has single 8 speed brifter
-- mountain bike is indexed.

Until now, I didn't realize that I'd made such a transformation. I must say
though, that I do miss the feel of Suntour barcons, which I used to run
nearly exclusively on all drop-bar bikes.

My move to the dark side of indexing stated with the DT shifters though,
which index beautifully since there's only one loop in the housing.






On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 5:00 AM, Forrest  wrote:

> Among those of you who now use downtube shifters (or have in the past), how
> many of you are confirmed fans of downtube shifting, and how many of you
> tried it as an experiment but then switched to a different shifting system
> that you felt was better? Oh, and any thoughts re downtube indexed vs.
> downtube friction would be welcome.
>
> Thanks,  -- Forrest (Iowa City)
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Re: [RBW] Re: Have you seen the Grand Bois stem/decaleur

[John Speare]

Yeah. the price and the stem diameter is a deal killer for me.

Here's an easy hack for highly-functional and much cheaper decaleur
solution:
http://cyclingspokane.blogspot.com/2011/01/rory-bag-hack.html

On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 9:27 AM, bicitourist  wrote:

> toei makes some, but really hard to find.  I have the Loyal Designs bag
> with a berthoud and the combo works great.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Future Rivs

[John Speare]

I gotta share this here.

My buddy is a framebuilder and hooked me up with a sweet kid bike for my 8
yo daughter last Chrismass.

The connection which really makes this Riv-related, is that the donor frame
for the tube set came from a 89 RB-1.

http://cyclingspokane.blogspot.com/search/label/maddie%20xmass%20bike

On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Leslie  wrote:

> How funny that the conversation turned this way...
>
> Just a couple of months ago, I was shopping for a new bike for my
> daughter, and I'd sent a similar note to Grant, saying it'd be
> interesting to see his 'expanded sizing' ideas used for a kids bike.
>
> Then recently, Yehuda's had his 'grow bike' idea in the strip.
>
> I'd have loved to have gotten a Riv for my daughter, but alas, went
> more conventional...
>
> http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes/mountain/sport/skye/skye/#
>
> Got her the smallest size.  It's a nice bike, since it's a women's
> bike instead of a kids' bike, it has 26" wheels instead of kids
> wheels.  She'd turned 9 just before, and has been loving it
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/leslie_bright/5840945443/in/photostream/
> .
>
> But if I could have gotten a Riv 'kids' frame for her instead, that
> would have been really lovely.   A small Betty Foy might have worked,
> but, I didn't want to spend *that* much on a bike that could possibly
> get outgrown;   this bike, it'll last her until she is grown (even I
> can ride it), and then she can get a 'grown-up bike' at that point.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lawyer Lips?

[John Speare]

On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 7:59 PM, David T.  wrote:
> It’s too bad, reading the latest Knothole entry on the Rivendell
> website, Grant appears to be stressed out, probably about that legal
> case he refers to in RR 43. (It would be funny, considering that a
> gaggle of lawyers are working feverishly, perhaps even referring to
> “lawyer lips” in their written arguments—except it’s not that funny
> when someone is getting dragged into court over something that was
> made diligently 20 years ago.)
>
> It is ironic that he would get tied up in something like that. He has
> been a proponent of bicycle safety, although he doesn’t necessarily
> call it that. It is implicit in the design of his bikes that there is
> always a “factor of safety” built in, in other words they are if
> anything a little over-built, so that failure of the bike or one of
> its parts won’t cause an injury. That’s really one of the main
> distinguishing features of his designs, compared to other bikes you
> can buy. When I am descending at high speed on my Rivendell, I often
> think to myself, this is dangerous but it is nice to know that I am on
> the best possible bike for this purpose. In all of Grant’s
> “velosophy”, whether it is about bigger tires, steel forks, riding
> styles, you name it, there is always an unspoken understanding that
> safety is one of the fundamentals.
>
> It’s too bad but that is the way things go sometimes; someone who
> dedicates a lot of their life to protecting something gets accused of
> neglecting it.
>
> {I guess the legal point is whether Lawyer Lips make a bike safer, and
> even if they do whether a bike without them is safe enough. It all
> gets very complicated because Grant is the expert on these things, and
> he may not have thought that Lawyer Lips made a bike safer. [The ones
> on the bike, not the ones on the lawyers.] But as an employee of
> Bridgestone, it sounds like it wasn’t even his decision. The RB-1 was
> advertised as a racing bike, so it was designed to get the wheel off
> quickly. For Pete’s sake, he even had an article on how to use the
> Quick Release in one of the Bridgestone catalogues. What else could he
> have done? Surely the operator of any vehicle has to take
> responsibility for ensuring that the wheels are fastened on as they
> were designed to be.[Maybe Grant should get his own lawyer independent
> of the Bridgestone lawyer?(After all, he was acting in good faith as
> an employee and stood to gain nothing whether or not lawyer's lips
> were used. Awww, what a mess.)]}
>
>

Let's not forget also, that Grant had at least one full page of at
least one of his catalogs dedicated to explaining how to operate a QR.

And the topper: Didn't B'stone USA shipped the QR counter-top demo
unit to some of its dealers?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-U5sJov_uPNQ/TaeDWchSxFI/Li0/ozF6VlVCqIw/s1600/Bridgestone_QR.jpg

GP seems like the last bike-related person in the world that should be
at the end of a "negligent" QR lawsuit... if that's what it really is
about.




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Re: [RBW] 3 speed shifter on Albatross bar?

[John Speare]

On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 10:33 PM, rcnute  wrote:
> Has anyone tried this?  Any tips?  Thanks!
>
> Ryan
>

I've tried it. No tips. It works.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grease and Beeswax

[John Speare]

On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 9:14 AM, omnigrid  wrote:
>
> phil wood grease is nothing special. it's just marine bearing grease. or 
> pretty much the same stuff that park tools sells in bike shops.
>

Indeed. For bikey applications, I've never seen a reason not to use
the cheap tub-o-grease from the auto parts store.

For m5 bolts that I want to stay put (upside-down fender connections)
I just use the blue loctite. Otherwise

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Re: [RBW] Re: How are those winter projects coming?

[John Speare]

First rack:
http://cyclingspokane.blogspot.com/2011/01/my-first-rack.html

And bag hack for the rack:
http://cyclingspokane.blogspot.com/2011/01/rory-bag-hack.html

Kid bike:
http://cyclingspokane.blogspot.com/search/label/maddie%20xmass%20bike

Wife bike + rack:
http://cyclingspokane.blogspot.com/search/label/x0-1

Mountain bike:
http://cyclingspokane.blogspot.com/2011/03/lala-carte.html

I built a few sets of wheels -- one for a forthcoming mini velo, a set of
tubulars for cross, and a set for my wife. I put new
forks<http://cyclingspokane.blogspot.com/2011/02/pretty-forks.html>on
my cycle truck and built
a light mount
<http://cyclingspokane.blogspot.com/2010/10/light-mount-finished.html>for
it.

Now I have bronchitis and I can barely ride.

Blech.

On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 6:09 AM, EricP  wrote:
> The Sam Hillborne conversion to V brakes was easy.  A bit more
> complicated was changing stem, which required a new bar (25.4
> diameter). So instead of Noodles, now has Nitto 115 bars on it.  Very
> different feel.  Also changed things up with a bit more colorful
> housing and bar tape.  Then added the SKS Longboards when they came
> out.
>
> So that project was good.  Then got sidetracked recently by another
> project.  One that said "hmm, there are enough parts filling the
> garage to make another bike.  If I had a frame/fork/headset."  Ended
> up with a Surly Cross Check built as a 1x9 with upright bars and
> fenders. Fenders are from the Sam Hillborne.  Still experimenting with
> different bars and stems.  Will eventually buy the adapters to
> experiment with single speed.
>
> Now the project is to ride and see if some weight loss can happen
> again.  Have a few fairly big riding committments this year and would
> like to be lighter to tackle them.
>
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>
> On Apr 15, 7:23 pm, pruckelshaus  wrote:
>> Well, winter project 1, my second frame, a sloping top tubed lugged
>> 650b commuter/path bomber is getting picked up from the painters
>> tomorrow AM and should be built for a ride on Sunday, so that's nearly
>> done.  Looking forward to trying SRAM (Apex) for the first time.
>>
>> I have 20BF of red oak waiting to be turned into a hall table for my
>> wife, and a PegoRichie tubeset, slant six lugset, and bag of dropouts
>> and brazeons waiting to be turned into frame 3.  I'll be lucky if I
>> get these done by summer.
>>
>> Pete
>>
>> On Apr 15, 1:46 pm, William  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > Are you going to have all those winter projects done now that the
>> > riding weather is improving?  I had several and I've done pretty well
>> > to get most of them knocked out.  The most overarching one is that I
>> > liquidated a lot of my stuff, including four sets of brifters and all
>> > my Campy drivetrain bits.  That raised quite a bit of money and I
>> > think made two of my bikes a lot more useable.  They were:
>>
>> > 1.  Ibis Tandem.  Goodbye to brifters, flight deck and 12-32
>> > cassette.  Hello to indexed barcons and 12-36 cassette (and $$)
>> > 2.  Davidson gofast.  Goodbye to campy brifters, derailers, rear hub,
>> > brakes, 22mm tires and cassette.  Hello to shimano low normal der,
>> > friction barcons, 12-32 cassette, shimano brakes, tektro levers, and
>> > 25mm tires (and $$)
>> > 3.  Bomba.  Hello drop bar cockpit
>> > 4.  Hillborne.  Hello trail riding configuration
>> > 5.  Wife's Yves Gomez.  Goodbye cheap thumbshifters, hello index
>> > barcons (in progress)
>>
>> > I'm kicking another project off tonight.  I wanted a MUSA lugged steel
>> > road frame to set up as an all-road to live in Southern California,
>> > since we go down there several times a year.  I found a 1984 Trek 770,
>> > and I'm picking it up tonight.  The Campy Super Record bits will go
>> > out on the resale market, and I'll be setting it up more civilized
>> > over the next month or so.  I picked up a Sugino compact double from
>> > VO for $90.  I'm even considering keeping the tubulars for a while.
>> > Has anyone tried the Vittoria Pave 27mm tubulars?  Those look
>> > awesome.- Hide quoted text -
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Re: [RBW] Re: AMOS... AndyUndertube

[John Speare]

On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>
> On Mon, 2011-04-18 at 15:04 -0700, rperks wrote:
> > If I want a "road" bike, no matter what the percieved
> > light and fast marketing schtik is, it will likely be built for the
> > potential heavy weight.
>
> I think it's pretty safe to say your LBS carbon fiber racing bike with
> the lightly spoked wheels and tire clearances limiting the bike to 23mm
> tires at most (and yes, there are plenty that won't even take a 25mm)
> was not designed for a 290 pounder.  In fact, chances are it wasn't
> designed for a 200 pound rider.
>
>


I agree that it probably wasn't designed for a 290'er, but it better
be designed for a 220'er at least. I see lots of big big dudes around
here on fly-weight carbon bikes with low-spoke-count wheels.


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Re: [RBW] New CoPilot

[John Speare]

On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 9:34 AM, rperks  wrote:
>
> I am so stoked to have our little girl out and about on the bicycle
> with us now.  She is 10 months old, her helmet finally fits and she is
> tall enough for the straps to work on the BoBike Mini+.  Yesterday we
> went for a test spin around the block, that went great, so then it was
> off to the beach.  She is so pumped sitting up there in front, claps,
> laugs and makes her happy sound (parents out there probably know what
> that means). Pics and quick movies here:
> http://oceanaircycles.com/2011/03/27/new-copilot/
> http://flic.kr/p/9tSBt2
> http://flic.kr/p/9tSAWc
> and vid:
> http://flic.kr/p/9tSE9B
>
> We are looking forward to being able to ride as a family again.  It
> has been riding in shits for more than the last year.
>
> Things I learned getting to this point.  Kids helmets are not easy to
> get to fit well.  I ended up at the local skate shop working with the
> fit kit foam the were able to provide.  The BoBike mini+ seemed like
> the best option for our family as it easily can be moved from one bike
> to another if you buy additional stem mounts.  This seat also seemed
> to be the least invasive for the parents knees.  Handling is not bad
> at all, but having a lower bottom bracket would be nice.
>
> Riv Content, Albatross bars work perfict for this set up, and she
> loves when I ring the brass bell.  Likewise I am dreaming of a 62cm
> Gomez for the stable.
>
> Rob
> -


Great shots Rob. Thanks for sharing.

I've been dragging my daughter around on and behind bikes for all of
her young 8 years.

By FAR... by a huge margin, her favorite has been in the front where
you have your daughter... I have so many great memories of chattering
away with Maddie while we tooled around town on daily, otherwise
mundane errands. She was into signaling and ringing the bell too. Fun
times.

http://johndogfood.com/john/reduced/03-30-06%20006.jpg

Yes -- Albatross bars make this set up a breeze.

John


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Re: [RBW] Re: Sturmey s3x or s2 on a Quickbeam?

[John Speare]

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Philip Williamson
 wrote:
>
> I may go the crazy way and build two rear wheels - one S2, one S3X.
> They'd both match my existing SON front wheel. Then I could put a
> dynohub on my wife's bike instead.
>


Hey Philip --

Isn't the S2 also a coaster brake kickback? You said you had a Sachs
duomatic 2 speed kickback coaster brake wheel and you didn't like
that? Why would you try an S2 then? Am I confused?

I had the Sachs 2 speed kickback laced to a velocity blunt 700c rim
for a while. It never really clicked for me; I'd rather go fixed or
just singlespeed. The extra gear on the 2 speed was way too high --
and I think I was running a 40x18 or so.


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Re: [RBW] Re: SoCal Riv Ride - Feb 12 in SD

[John Speare]

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 7:18 AM, Michael_S  wrote:
> April will be warmer and depending on the weather maybe too hot.  The
> 3rd dirt section was the best in my opinion. I was too busy trying to
> hang on to Dustin on that section so I didn't take many pictures.  I
> think those sections would be best with a 35mm cross tire or a Hetre.
> Of course the final road sections were perfect for the Jack Browns.
>
> ~Mike
>
> On Feb 15, 4:47 am, jim phillips  wrote:
>> Beautiful terrain and beautiful bikes!!
>>
>> JimP
>>
>> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 20:33:10 -0800
>> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: SoCal Riv Ride - Feb 12 in SD
>> From: cyclotour...@gmail.com
>> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>>
>> Hi John, it's a great route I would encourage you to take. Just be aware of 
>> the singletrack you're going to need to take at mile 20.6.  It's not marked 
>> at all, so you have to be on the look out for it.  That's where the 
>> hike-a-bike section begins.  That's just for ~half a mile though.  
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/5441062476/
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 8:08 PM, doug peterson  wrote:
>>
>> John:
>>
>> That would be it.  Mile 29.4 is where David, Jenny & I bailed out.  We
>> took the left while the rest of the group continued on the route.  You
>> can see how that connects to the outbound route around 15.  We then
>> headed back up course & made a left at the intersection that's 12.7
>> outbound & 44.7 returning. We got a total of 42 for the shorter
>> version.
>>
>> Carry plenty of food & water.  Take a look at the posted photos.  We
>> had some high quality hike-a-bike sections.  Caution:  Hills may be
>> steeper than they apperar in photos!  Great ride.
>>
>> When do you plan to be in San Diego?  I'm a bit north, Orange County,
>> but get down there often.  Maybe we could do this ride; I'm curious
>> about the part I missed.
>>
>> dougP
>>
>> On Feb 14, 7:47 pm, John Speare  wrote:
>>
>>
>>


Guys,

Thanks for the info!

David: do you have a GPS track? I dig hike-a-bike sections, so I"m
excited that this ride popped up.

Doug, I'd love company and meeting a local person who knows the area.

I'll ride this on either April 6th or April 7th. Leaving from some
hotel in Old Town.

I'd likley leave at around 6AM ish or so... to try and beat the heat.

I have a coupled RB-T with 32mm
pasalas...(http://cyclingspokane.blogspot.com/2010/02/coupled.html)
hopefully that will do the trick.

If anyone else is potentially interested in joining me, email me
offline and I'll send an email.

Best, John


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Re: [RBW] Re: SoCal Riv Ride - Feb 12 in SD

[John Speare]

t; > > >> > > walkers (no offense intended), just rugged country
> and
> > > > > > surprising
> > > > > > > > > >> > > wilderness; 3) wide open country roads with
> breathtaking
> > > > > > vistas of
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > >> > > mountains, Mexico, desert, ocean, etc.  This will be
> > > > > > completely
> > > > > > > > worth
> > > > > > > > > >> > > the trip. Here's the photoset of the ride that
> Dustin
> > > > curated
> > > > > > last
> > > > > > > > > >> > > year:
> >
> > > > > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671211@N02/sets/72157623972790726/
> >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > This ride won't be quite as alpine, but we have good
> beer
> > > > > > here,
> > > > > > > > too
> > > > > > > > > >> > > (the famous, tiny, Alpine Brewery is not far off
> this
> > > > route),
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > >> > > sure we'll include some in our activities for the
> day if
> > > > you
> > > > > > wish
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > >> > > partake.
> >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > I'm hoping to run the freshly-painted Protovelo with
> > > > Hetres,
> > > > > > > > topped
> > > > > > > > > >> > > perhaps by Albatross bars for pure fun.  We'll see.
> >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > No one's left behind, but there will be bail-out
> options.
> > > > > >  Would
> > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > >> > > worth a trip for disaster-prone Southern
> California-ians.
> > > > > >  Perhaps
> > > > > > > > > >> > > worth a trip for folks further out!
> >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > Esteban
> > > > > > > > > >> > > San Diego, Calif.
> >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > On Jan 4, 10:08 am, cyclotourist <
> cyclotour...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > February's planned ride lets us get inland a bit,
> as
> > > > well as
> > > > > > > > giving the
> > > > > > > > > >> > > SD
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > crowd have a break from traveling (the price of
> living
> > > > in
> > > > > > > > paradise).
> > > > > > > > > >> > >  It's
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > shaping up to be a 50+ mile mixie, over mostly
> back
> > > > roads
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > ~30% dirt
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > content guaranteed.  A chunk of climbing, so work
> on
> > > > those
> > > > > > > > intervals!
> > > > > > > > > >> > >  Hope
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > the North LA & Ventura crowd can make it down
> there!
> > > >  We're
> > > > > > > > going to try
> > > > > > > > > >> > > to
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > meet up @ 9:00 to get on the road by 9:30
> >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > A route map and some more specifics can be seen
> here:
> >
> > > >http://www.flickr.com/groups/socal_rivendell_bicycle_appreciation_soc
> .
> > > > > > ..
> >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > As with all these rides, expect to meet some
> really
> > > > great
> > > > > > folks
> > > > > > > > and put
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > faces to  names, as well as to see some beautiful
> areas
> > > > of
> > > > > > SoCal
> > > > > > > > that you
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > probably have never been to!  All bikes are
> welcome,
> > > > > > aluminum,
> > > > > > > > bamboo and
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > crabon. Run what you brung!  Rain or shine, unless
> > > > there's
> > > > > > one
> > > > > > > > of the
> > > > > > > > > >> > > recent
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > "decade" storms we've been having.  Otherwise
> fenders
> > > > and
> > > > > > wool
> > > > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > > >> > > handle
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > it nicely.
> >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > --
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > David
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > Redlands, CA
> >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > *...in terms of recreational cycling there are
> many
> > > > riders
> > > > > > who
> > > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > probably benefit more from
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > improving their taste than from improving their
> > > > > > performance.* -
> > > > > > > > RTMS
> >
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires for 26" wheel Atlantis

[John Speare]

Also -- one thing you might consider Anne: the Pasala (non-tourguards)
are relatively cheap compared to most tires... so experimenting with a
bit more width may be worth the gamble.

Jan Heine published an interesting article a few months ago in Bicycle
Quarterly about the relationship b/t wheel diamter and tire width. The
general conclusion was that as the wheel got smaller in diamter, wider
tires felt "righter."

His conclusions matched my experience -- for 26" wheels, I can't find
a better tire than the 1.75" Pasala -- rolls fast and cushy. The
volume makes it really handy also for any kind of non-paved adventures
that pop up.

In any case -- 1.25, 1.5, 1.75: the non-tourguard Pasala is a great
26" tire and a great value. I'd do a commercial.

On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 6:32 AM, Beth H  wrote:
> Anne -- my shop carries both 1.25 and 1.5 widths, available from J & B
> Importers to any bike shop. Tell your LBS you want 'em.
>
> (I prefer the 1.5 width on my All-Rounder, but I do remember that the
> 1.25 width gave a very smooth ride.)



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Re: [RBW] Re: Heron Road

[John Speare]

Dang it!

what was the deal?

By the time I saw this thread today the craigslist ad had been deleted.

Ryan: pics and price please.




On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Jim M.  wrote:

> Nice find. I would have paid that price for the gruppo and re-sold the
> frame.
>
> jim m
>
> On Jan 31, 2:11 pm, rcnute  wrote:
> > Well-dressed, well-groomed, articulate fellow in in his fifties
> > driving a nice car; seemed legit.  He knew bikes.
> >
> > Ryan
> >
> > On Jan 31, 12:15 pm, Anne Paulson  wrote:
> >
> > > The ad is pulled now, but when I see a bike for a ridiculously low
> > > price, I always wonder whether the person selling it owns it.
> >
> > > On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 11:01 PM, rcnute  wrote:
> > > > Just found my best Craigslist score ever.  Photos tomorrow.
> >
> > > > Ryan
> >
> > > --
> > > -- Anne Paulson
> >
> > > My hovercraft is full of eels
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Re: [RBW] San Diego Riv'ers

[John Speare]

Hmm. Current plan is to fly out the Friday morning that the show starts...
may have to rethink that one.

But back to the original question.

San Diego locals -- I cooked up a Bikely query
(http://tinyurl.com/4sdq2mh<http://tinyurl.com/4ac36zr>),
which is bringing up 14 routes.

Any obvious winners there?
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 9:55 PM, cyclotourist wrote:

> It's not a ride, but this would be a good thing to go see if syncs up with
> your calendar.  There should be a SoCal Riv contingent going to it...
>
> http://www.sandiegocustombicycleshow.com/
>
>
>
>   On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 11:39 AM, John Speare wrote:
>
>>   Hey there,
>>
>> I've seen some rough-rider/southern Cal ride postings on this list.
>>
>> It looks like I"ll be in San Diego neighborhood in early April.
>>
>> I'm looking for routes with some dirt to ride -- loops that I can do in a
>> day from the San Diego area -- no more than 80 miles.
>>
>> With some climbs. Low traffic. Nice views.
>>
>> Does anyone have a favorite loop mapped out that they'd like to share?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
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[RBW] San Diego Riv'ers

[John Speare]

Hey there,

I've seen some rough-rider/southern Cal ride postings on this list.

It looks like I"ll be in San Diego neighborhood in early April.

I'm looking for routes with some dirt to ride -- loops that I can do in a
day from the San Diego area -- no more than 80 miles.

With some climbs. Low traffic. Nice views.

Does anyone have a favorite loop mapped out that they'd like to share?

Thanks.

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Re: [RBW] ISO 559 Honjo hammered fenders, 45 mm

[John Speare]

On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 11:19 AM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
>
> 559, not 584. Jitesha don't carry them any more; Walbike don't have
> them; VO has 584 clones: where can I find a pair? Box Dog don't ship
> but tell me one can source from Euro Asia: is it true that any LBS
> with an account can get them?
>
> Note: Hammered, 559, Honjo, but will consider alternatives that look
> good and are as sturdy and that will hold a rear tail light with
> batteries.
>
> Cross posting for maximum exposure.
>
> Thanks.
>

Pretty sure these are distributed by Merry Sales. Most bike shops will
have a Merry account. Expect to pay a pretty penny.


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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Rawland Sogn, Bike Friday FT: Tikit, Nitto stem

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On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 8:59 PM, Esteban  wrote:
>
> I think one of the critical questions that wasn't asked during the
> rSogn design dicussion (IRRC, as the discussions were pulled down), is
> "why change the Sogn?"  That being said, the new bike sounds really
> cool.

I feel like I remember there being some rumbling around tubing size
and profile as one reason to change it. People liked the fat tire and
steeper angles on the bike, but wanted a livelier tube set. But maybe
I'm projecting my own selective memory.

>
> I've sat at two dinners where it was discussed how people have broken
> their standard-diameter tubed frames off-road.  With a standard-
> diamter Ebisu on the way, I took note.  Even Grant warns against some
> rough riding on the OS Roadeo (and Riv always overbuilds in terms of
> strength).

Yep. The bikes can break, I've busted/cracked tubes at the bottom
brackets twice on standard-gauge Bridgestone road bikes (an RB1 and an
RBT) by riding off-road on them. But in my case, I'd blame the shoddy
bottom bracket brazing before I blamed the standard gauge tubing.

But, there is a lot more flex at the bottom bracket with standard
gauge tubing than there is with big fat and thick OS tubes, so there's
likely some blame towards the standard tubing for these failures.

 If I were in Grant's (or any bike maker's) shoes, I'd overbuild too.

But steel is fixable and generally fails in a way to give you plenty
of warning. Whether or not the difference in handling characteristics
is worth it is the question. To me, it's worth it and I have no
problem fixing/brazing/hacking broken stuff together for the sake of
the ride quality characteristics/handling I prefer.

(Here's an example: http://tinyurl.com/2a86nca -- kind of hard to see
through the mud, but the yellow paint around the chainstays is where
we drilled/filled some cracks around the bottom bracket. This is a
really fun bike to ride -- I prefer it because it flexes so much and
as a steep-ish front end.)


>
> There's a reason, I think, why the Bomba has that cross-tube.  The
> last thing you want to think off-road is that something may break and
> you've got a 5 hour hike to the next water.

My take on the cross tube is that it's both strength and an aesthetic
thing. For any type of riding I like, I think the Bomba looks way over
built.


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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Rawland Sogn, Bike Friday FT: Tikit, Nitto stem

[John Speare]

On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 12:17 PM, Esteban  wrote:
>
> Remember when the original Sogn came out, right around the same time
> as the Bombadil?  There was some discussion that the Sogn is what "riv
> should have made," with its clearance for Neo Motos and evocative of
> the XO-1.  But on a Riv, a lugged bottom bracket limits tire
> clearance, so we get the Bomba maxing out at Quasi-moto and one very
> strange much-discussed custom at the SDCBS with a fillet-brazed bb
> with seemingly oodles of clearance, rejected by its owner,
> graciousness form Grant, and a repaint that was the bicycle version of
> a director taking his name off the credits of a film.  Whoever ended
> up with that one is stoked.
>
> The Bombadil is an absolute winner.  In my mind, the gold-standard for
> do-everthing-adventure-tour-commuting hauler.  I'm not gonna speculate
> why Rawland walked away from the original design, which Mr. Pacenti
> had a strong hand in.  Besides single-eyelet front forks, there were
> no flaws that I've ever experienced (or heard of) on the original
> Sogn.  It rides like a gun - true fun.

I really like the Sogn. It's been nothing but fun since I got it. I've
not ridden a Bombadil, but my guess is that it rides like a Riv --
I've owned an Atlantis and a QB and they were both great stable, low
bb, high trial machines. I can't get the double top tube thing to work
for me though and I don't care about lugs as much as I used to... so
I'll likely not go after a Bombadil.

>
> I think a lot of folks bought it as an extra bike to build a truly-all
> surface all-rounder.  When the frame came to my door for $400, I was
> able to hang nice parts on it.  But there were no flaws - and I've
> spoken with other people who got the "flawed" powdercoat frames and
> found no issues whatsoever.  It will be one of those industry
> mysteries.  Perhaps those who paid the original $700 might be more
> troubled.  They still got a rad bike - more versatile than anything
> else non-custom out there.

I have one of the $500/flawed powder coat Rawland frames -- and I
agree, it's a rad bike. With Noodles and Quasi-motos I can't believe
how much fun I've had on this bike. The more lively front end makes
for a great roady-type feeling and handles wonderfully for me on
trails. I can always amaze my mountain bikey friends by turning on a
tiny radius with the Rawland -- something that's really hard on a
typical slack/low rake mountain bike.

>
> I participated in the rSogn development, which was fun, although
> rather confusing at times and things seemed to change (and keep
> changing).  When it came down to it, I liked this red one just fine
> and it takes singletrack like its on rails with the high-trail
> design.

The original Sogn? I think I'd call that more mid-trail. It's more
around 55 isn't it? with Quais's? -- and takes inputs more like a road
bike, whcih is why I love it so much. You can correct in mid-turn and
live to tell the tale.

For me, I didn't ultimately see a need to go for the new
> one.  I hope it turns out to be a great bike.  I'm not saying this
> because I'm selling it - I'd be happy to keep the bike (this also
> seems to be common among people who've got the red Rawlands).

The proposed rSogn is a bit different, but the differences are in very
critical areas, IMO. The current/red Rawland is a great bike, but it's
hugely honking on the OS steel side of things. Way over built.  Which
is great for abusing and mountain biking, but I'd argue that it's over
built for most uses.

The rSogn will use standard diameter/gauge tubing and will be better
suited for more traditional rando riding than trail/tough stuff
riding, though it would handle that kind of riding fine too I'm sure.
The "standard" set up is also specifically low trail/front load
design. There's a lot to like about the new design and if I didn't
have a bike nearly identical to the proposed rSogn, I'd be all over
it.

>
> As I've been discussing with friends, bikes are bad investments - they
> are only worth 1) what you get out of riding it; 2) what someone will
> pay for it.
>

Totally agree. Bikes are only investments in how they provide
value/happiness for the buyer. I always loose my shirt on every single
bike thing I sell. I guess that's why I have a garage full of bike
stuff.


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Re: [RBW] Broken Rail on a Brooks

[John Speare]

On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 12:47 PM, scott  wrote:
> Hey Gang,
>    My bike has felt extra bouncy lately. Filled up the tires today
> and they were low. Still bouncy. Looked at my brooks saddle rails and
> one of them is broken. Looks like it has been that way for a little
> while, too. So, good news is that the other rail is strong, bad news
> is its broken. This saddle has 10,000 plus miles easy. Lots of touring
> time. So, I don't want to replace it because the top is so perfectly
> broken in, and there is a ton of nose bolt left. I know I can get a
> replacement frame from Wallingford ($31), or I can have my roommate
> weld it for me and see how that holds up. The saddle is not under
> warranty (about 5 years old or so). So my question is if any of yall
> have welded a busted rail or replaced a frame? Tips? Hints? Make me
> feel better cuz I'm a bit bummed (pun?) about this.
>
>   Thanks
>      Scott in Chicago
>


I've replaced the the frame on a brooks. It just takes perserverance
and brute force. But that wsa nearly 3 years ago and the saddle is
still going strong.

Just curious, was your broken rail one of the copper plated ones?

Here's a not-so-good explanation of replacing the rails:
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Re: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam/Simpleone and Rohloff hub

[John Speare]

On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 9:42 AM, grant  wrote:
>
> Anylocal who wants to spread a frame can use our tool for it. We won't
> do it for you, you do it yourself and break your own frame (highly
> unlikely, but this is your deal).  It's a Hozan tool made only for
> this job. One bike shop in 600 has one. It hooks onto the rear
> dropouts and spreads 'em with an all-thread screw, a little at a time.
> You avoid the grunt-and-sudden huge give that sometimes happens with
> cruder methods. But if you have only cruder methods at your disposal,
> here is---not a rock solid formula, but something to go by, sorta:
>
> If the chainstays are normal not heat treated CrMo (QB), you'll have
> to spread them about 35 to 40mm to effect a 5mm cold-setted diff.
>
>  The way to do this Hozan-free might be to rig some barriers that
> don't allow you to pull past that. The H-free technique is" Feet on
> inside of left dropout, hands pulling on right dropout." Like rowing a
> boat.
>
> Then reparallelize the dropouts. There's a tool for this, too, and any
> bike shop has it. If yours doesn't, run!
>
> G
>
>
>


As one who has all of the aforementioned tools (and the particularly
effective Park FFS-2) at his disposal, but who lacks the experience to
use them wisely, I offer, again, the advice to go to a framebuilder or
wise old LBS sage to get this work done.

John "Crimper of Stays" Speare

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Re: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam/Simpleone and Rohloff hub

[John Speare]

Alex doesn't subscribe to this list.

But I do know that Alex emailed Grant and asked him his opinion about
spreading the QB to 135 and Grant's answer was basically: don't do it.

Which isn't surprising. If I were in Grant's shoes, I'd say the same thing.

But Alex did it. And it was fine. I've done 126 ->135 on at least 3 frames
with no issues.

If it were me, I'd do it -- or rather -- have a good frame builder do it --
without a second thought.

On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 3:02 PM, James Warren wrote:

> I too would love to hear an answer to that question, since if it is wise,
> I'm pretty sure I'll do it to mine.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> >From: "Scott G." 
> >Sent: Dec 1, 2010 11:26 AM
> >To: RBW Owners Bunch 
> >Subject: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam/Simpleone and Rohloff hub
> >
> >Has anyone respaced a frame from 120mm to 135mm ?
> >
> >Did you need to get the brake bridge moved or replaced ?
> >
> >Rohloff in Africa
> >http://forum.ctc.org.uk/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=40881&start=0
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Re: [RBW] Re: For those who like to finance 650B speculative projects....

[John Speare]

This project was quietly cancelled last week. See bullet item buried in this
blog post:
http://rawlandcycles.blogspot.com/2010/11/suspended-animation-not.html

*The Mini Moto project is on the backburner for the time being. There is
still a lot of work required to design and then produce this tire. We simply
do not have the time to carry this tire out. I will email those who had
pre-ordered a set(s) with further details.  *


I also pre-ordered a pair -- it's a bit distressing to see the Mini-moto
option still on the "products" page given the blog post.

I'm hoping to hear from Sean soon regarding the pre-order I put in a couple
weeks ago.

In the meantime, if you were thinking of throwing in on this pre-order, you
might want to hold off.




On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 9:31 PM, William  wrote:

> I went ahead and ordered a pair.  Dirt road tires and mud tires for
> the Bombadil (which packs up a bit with my Quasi motos in the mud).
> Maybe, just maybe, they'll fit through the Silvers on my Hilsen, which
> would be sick (as the kids say).
>
> On Nov 6, 6:19 pm, William  wrote:
> > Yeah I emailed Kirk to see if I could order them from him, but he said
> > the Rawlands thing gets him a single customer interface to get it
> > going.  I imagine the Pari-moto presale was a logistical challenge for
> > him.  It's actually being called a 43, not a 42.  It will be really
> > close on the Hilsen.
> >
> > On Nov 5, 6:40 pm, Michael_S  wrote:
> >
> > > As I recall, Sean the owner of Rawland needs to pre-sell 150 tires to
> > > make this work... so you 650B bike owners, nows your chance to help
> > > bring to market a new product that would benefit all 650B owners.
> > >  I've pre-ordered one of the new low trail, lighter tubing, rSogns so
> > > I'll definitely be looking for such a tire.  I've thought about a 58cm
> > > 650B Hilsen for a while, but this gets my toe wet before I fall into
> > > the pool.
> > > It will certainly be built in the Rivendell style Nitto,Sugino,
> > > friction shifting etc.
> >
> > > ~Mike~
> >
> > > On Nov 5, 2:40 pm, William  wrote:
> >
> > > > Looks like there is another Pacenti 650B tire on PRE-SALE.  It's
> > > > called the mini-moto, claims to be a 650x42B, and is being pre-sold
> > > > exclusively through Rawland.  I have no clue if it will clear my
> > > > Hilsen or Gomez, but at least I know it would work on the Bombadil.
> > > > It claims to have a traditional block tread pattern, and it's being
> > > > called a cyclocross tire, which might be just what some of you mixed-
> > > > terrainers might like.
> >
> > > >
> http://www.rawlandcycles.com/store/index.php?strWebAction=item_detail...
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Re: [RBW] Re: AHH on order

[John Speare]

On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 10:02 AM, kuma  wrote:

> On Nov 8, 11:31 pm, "E.B."  wrote:
> > But the biggest reason I think a Phil hub would be worth your
> > consideration is the option of building a 40-spoke rear wheel.  At 250-
> > lbs with the intention of some unpaved riding, this would be
> > reassuring.  I don't see 40-hole hubs or rims offered on RBW's site,
> > but they could possibly get them for a build for you.
>
> XT hubs also come in 40 spoke configurations and can be paired with
> strong Velocity Dyad rims.
>
> dhk42,
>
> Before you make a decision about hubs, have you considered a dynamo
> hub?  Dynamo hubs are used to power a headlight (plus an optional
> taillight) using just your pedal power.  They are really a great
> option if you ride at night.  Even if you don't currently ride at
> night, a dynamo hub can open up a whole new world for you: riding at
> night is really beautiful.
>
>
> Agreed on the dyno suggestion. I can't imagine a basic do-all bike without
dyno lighting.

I'm also partial to shimano - easy to service and good enough. But be wary
of the latest XT hubs... they use an aluminum axel that likes to strip out.
And since it's aluminum, they increased the diameter to make up strength.
And since they increased the axel diameter, the bearings shrunk a bit. And
with smaller bearings, there are numerous reports of bearing failure (in
addition to axel stripping) online with the new XT hubs.

LX have alway suited me anyway. They are a few grams heavier than XT and
don't always have the nicest finish, but they work well for the riding I do.
If I was a one-bike owner, I'd consider white, or king, or phil hubs, but
I'd rather go with better bottom brackets than hubs...


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Re: [RBW] Re: worlds collide

[John Speare]

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>
>
>
> Downside is I have some real nice XTR Ti cassettes in 8spd on
> different wheelsets.
> Maybe when I grind 'em down to nubs some day...
>

Well. Let me help you out. Go ahead and send those out-dated XTR
8speed ti cassettes to me and I'll do that work for you.

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Re: [RBW] Re: worlds collide

[John Speare]

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Beth H  wrote:
>
> Here's a little more reality for you:
>
> I spoke with a very knowledgable wholsale rep yesterday who told me
> that we should expect to see all things 8-speed fade away in perhaps
> two to three years. This is because of Mountain 10 drivetrains (10 x 2
> or 10 x 3), which use basically the same components that road 10-speed
> systems do and are therefore easier to mass-produce for big companies
> like SRAM and Shimano. He had spoken with folks at both Shimano and
> SRAM during the Interbike show and apparently they hinted at this
> reality coming down the line. Said rep was told that continued support
> for 8-speed drivetrains was not as profitable because it required
> companies to produce two different kinds of chaincs and cassette cogs.
> Basing both road and mountain drivetrains on a 10-speed system, with
> its narrower chains and thinner cassette cogs, would simplify
> production quicky. (It would also mean more sales, since these parts
> wear out sooner; though the SRAM technician refused to comment on that
> and guy from Shimano would only hint at it in the vaguest language.)
>
> Based on discussions I had two years ago when Shimano stopped making 5-
> speed freewheels and the only remaining choices were Sunrace (ick) and
> IRD (decent, but expensive), I would say that this estimate bears more
> than a shred of truth.
>
> If you like 8-speed, this would be a good time to look for sales.
> Don't forget that you'll want to stock up on 8-speed compatible
> chains, too, since these will eventually fade like cassettes (though
> not quite as quickly).
>
> As for me, I've got a sizable stash of refurbished five- and six-speed
> freewheels that will fit on my Phil hubs...
> Beth "I'm not paranoid, just pragmatic" Hamon
>
> --


I see this as already-pretty-much the case: you can find 8 speed
chains and cassettes which are ok and I expect them to be around for
many years; there are just too many bikes out there with 8 speed
drivetrains, and low-end bikes still ship with new 8 speed Shimano
stuff.

But the bummer is finding good quality 8-speed stuff: shifters and
cassettes mainly.

The XTR cassettes dried up at the LBS's a long time ago. You can still
get them on ebay, but they are pricey. I'm ok with SRAM 8 spd but
they're no XTR.

Shifting is a killer already: good luck finding 8-spd DT shifters or
good STI systems under $100. That's a bummer. I'm all for friction but
for CX or mountain biking with drop bars, I like STI. And I like
indexed DT shifters...

I suppose I'll switch to 9 speeds in a couple years when my current
stock of STI stuff finally blows up for good.


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Re: [RBW] Lumotec IQ Cyo vs IQ Fly

[John Speare]

>
> On Oct 12, 2010, at 8:12 AM, "M. Chandler"  wrote:
>
> > I'm getting ready to purchase a Shimano dynohub-equipped front wheel,
> > and have narrowed my head lamp choice to the Lumotec IQ Fly and IQ
> > Cyo.  I'm not sure if the latter would be compatible with low-profile
> > canti's and fork crown mounting, however (see pics below).
> >
> > Does anyone out there have experience mounting the Cyo at the fork
> > crown with low-pro canti's?
> >
> > Photos:
> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/justridingalong/4971247955/
> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/justridingalong/4971860178/
> >
> > --


Fender install:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_CGYQGxEMolw/Sz_nju5OElI/GuM/AfQ5_toY95g/s1600-h/IMGP3046.JPG

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Re: [RBW] perennial pants issue

[John Speare]

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 6:34 PM, jim_OLP  wrote:
>
> Every year when it starts to get cold, I undertake a futile search for
> cycling pants that don't look like something from the ballet or the
> circus.  I mean pants, not lycra tights.  And not rain pants, which
> tend to be way too baggy and - if they're Rivendll - too orange.  I
> want nylon pants that block the wind but are trim enough so they don't
> flutter in the wind, and will stay out of the way of the chain,
> preferablly with some sort of cinch around the ankle.  I need pockets
> too.
>
> Wool would be great, but I know that's not going to happen.
>
> I'd buy the MUSA pants, but I can't do the blue crotch.  Just too
> conspicuous. "Ooooh, are those bicycling pants? Where did you get
> them?"
>
> It's hard to Google on this without getting 50 pages of black spandex
> tights.
>
> Does anyone else makes something just like the MUSA pants, but without
> the 2-tone color scheme?
>

I like REI ACME (for cold) and Mistral (for not-so-cold) pants.
They're not bike specific, but I commute daily through the rain, snow,
ice, etc in the winter, and I wear one of these pants almost daily.

 In year's past they've been made of Schoeller, which is a high tech
super fabric. Like others here, I'm pretty skeptical of high tech
super fabrics, but Schoeller is good stuff -- it's not a spray-on
treatment; it's water resistance is the result of the fabric weaving
(essentially -- the fabric doesn't allow water to rest and soak --
though heavy downpours will soak through).

Unfortunately, REI is not using Schoeller this year -- but they're
pretty good at imitating, so I won't be making a call either way until
I try the new pants.

I carry on about the pants here:
http://cyclingspokane.blogspot.com/2010/03/review-rei-acme-pants.html

I've no finacial interest in REI -- other than being a coop member. I
just think some of their stuff is a good value.

John "wearing 1st Gen trashed MUSA pants at this particular moment" Speare

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Re: [RBW] Re: finished hunqapillar build

[John Speare]

On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 11:51 AM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
>
> I must save for one of those. I've been hassling myself trying to make
> a 44/30 double for the Fargo without widening the Q any more than it
> currently is (160) with the XD2 and the 113 mm Tange. I can't run the
> 44 and 30 in the inner positions because they then butt up against the
> stay before they get half tight. On the outer positions, of course, I
> can only go down to a 34.
>

Hey Patrick,

A cheaper option might be to keep an eye out for the 94/58 bcd cranks.
Ritchey used to make them. They were the original "compact" crank.

With 94 BCD, 44/30 works well. I'm running this crank on my bike with
a 103 mm bb.

Another option is the Sakae 86 BCD crankset that used to ship on
mid-80's Trek tourers. The rings are deprecated, but lots of these
cranksets are around. I think the standard set up was 52/44/28 or
similar -- so removing the 52 and sliding the 44/28 over a slot works
well for a low-Q crank.

Finally: there's always the Sugino PX/Cyclotourist double set up.

I like 44/30-ish doubles and low tread, so I'll use all of these
cranks -- which can be found if you keep an eye out.

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Re: [RBW] Anyone hear ever use a camping hammock?

[John Speare]

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Jeffrey  wrote:
>
> Has anyone here aver used a camping hammock for touring or camping?
> I've been considering a Clark Jungle Hammock or the Hennessy Hammock
> and would like to hear about actual experience with them.
>

I've used the Hennessy for the last 3 or 4 years. I like it for
warm/hot camping. You can get an expensive quilted underblanket for
it, but without it, I don't like using it when it's in the 40's or
below, as a pad likes to slide around. So I'll bring the Hennessy for
warm summer night camping.

Alex Wetmore has refined the hammock set up to about 4 minutes. He
keeps it in a tube with the under quilt attached. He also improved
upon the knot/hanging solution. The only time I can beat him in the
shelter set up is when I am using a bivvy, which is my favorite cold
(under 45f or so) weather solution.

His hanging solution is doc'd here: http://alexwetmore.org/?p=610

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Re: [RBW] Re: You read it here first

[John Speare]

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 6:38 AM, Montclair BobbyB
 wrote:
> Patrick, YOU need your own blog... too funny!
>
>

He has one. It's called iBOB list.

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Re: [RBW] WTB Bridgestone MB-1 or Mid 80's Stumpjumper

[John Speare]

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Michael Williams
 wrote:
>
> Anyone out there have a 1994 MB-1 or mid 80's Stumpjumper they want to
> sell. I know its a long
> shot, but giving it a try. 22"or 23" frame. Thanks, Mike
>
> --

I have neither, but I'm curious what your goal is -- these bikes are
very different. The first generation stumpjumpers are super slack,
long chainstay, ultra turds with "specialized touring" steel. The 94
MB1 is much steeper, super climber, fancy tubing, much faster
handling.






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Re: [RBW] Roadeos and Downtube Shifters

[John Speare]

On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 9:54 PM, Horace  wrote:
>
> http://www.xo-1.org/2010_03_01_archive.html
> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ny-s_0BbP2k/TCrhFcazt_I/B_o/GJETLa8A48E/s1600/DSC04537.JPG
>
> On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Jon Grant  wrote:
>>
>> Moot point, right? I mean, I thought the Roadeo didn't have the proper
>> bosses for downtube shifters. It looks to me like all thatąs there are cable
>> guides. Like the Blériot. I own a Blériot, and I consider the lack of
>> downtube shifter bosses its single fault.
>>
>> --
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>> Austin, Texas
>>

 Chris had those bosses added as an extra work item when he ordered the frame.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Curious Rivendell Tie In on eBay

[John Speare]

On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 3:45 PM, JoelMatthews  wrote:
>
> > The description in my Rivendell No. 3 catalog (Summer 1997) for the Brooks
> > B.17 saddle that Rivendell was selling at the time reads as follows
> > (Grant's words, I would assume): "The prettiest saddle in the world,
> > and the most comfortable we've sat on.  A spiffed up (just for
> > Rivendell) B.17 with Brooks Pro-thick honey brown leather, large hand-
> > set copper rivets, chromed rails, and a chamfered lower edge."
>
> Aware of this.  But Brooks produces many special editions.  In fact,
> there currently are a number of new in box special editions offered
> (at a discount by the way) by other sellers on eBay.
>
> My issue is not with the seller pointing out the Riv connection.  But
> rather the implication the mere mention of Rivendell will cause buyers
> to part with sense and sensibility.  I for one like to think Riv fans
> are smarter than the average bear and will not blithely over pay for
> something just because the seller says Rivendell.
>

I'm not going to argue one way or another if the saddle is worth $200.
But there are some well-known differences between that saddle and any
B17 you can buy today:

-- The ebay saddle was made by Brooks before they were bought by Selle San Marco
-- Since Selle San Marco bought the company, the leather quality has
diminished. It's both thinner and it's less likely to be selected from
the "proper" area of the hide. Both of these issues have been reported
by Brooks users over the last couple years on various forums.

And as a result (if you believe what you read on the internets), a new
B17 today will not last as long as a B17 that was sold a decade ago.

None of this refutes the main annoyance you claim, that the seller's
"mere mention of Rivendell will cause buyers to part with sense...",
but these facts might persuade those in the know to spend more money
on this B17 than they would on a new one.

Just sayin.

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Re: [RBW] S24O: tent or no tent?

[John Speare]

On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Ray Shine  wrote:
> I mostly agree with Rene. I have used a Hennessey hammock for extended
> backpacking trips.  It is very comfortable, but if the temperature drops
> below 35 degrees, it is difficult to stay warm in a hammock AND keep the
> weight down at the same time.
>

Hennessey hammock has an underquilt that packs away super light and
small. The whole set up is pricey, but it makes the hennessey a pretty
attractive option if you're willing to spend the money.

But even with a light pad, I've slept in the Hennessey in freezing
weather and done ok. When it stays warm all night (over 50F), nothing
beats a hammock in my opinion.

Btw: some people have had issues learning a quick and easy way to
deploy the Hennessey hammock. I camped with Alex Wetmore about a month
ago and he's got the system dialed in (big surprise there). He solves
the knot and hammock centering/leveling issue with a simple hardware
upgrade: http://tinyurl.com/265kyhf

And he solves the packing/unpacking with a quilt issue by stuffing the
whole thing in tubes of light fabric, so he can tie off to the trees
while the hammock is still stuffed in an intestine-looking tube. It
literally takes him under 5 minutes to get his hammock set up.

I only use bivvy for cold camping. If it's more than 45F or so at
night, a bivvy just melts me. But for early-season S24O or winter
camping where night time temps can fall below freezing, a bivvy is a
great super light solution. When it's raining, I'll bring along the
fly from my Hennessey: http://tinyurl.com/2fa8bvl


Another good option for hot summer with bugs is a bug tent:
http://www.rei.com/product/71
It's 1.5 lbs and about $50.

I don't ever haul tents around anymore. Though I probably would if I
camped at campgrounds where other people were camping close by.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Pari-Moto & Grand Bois "Cypres" PSI?

[John Speare]

On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 6:57 AM, Patrick in VT  wrote:
>
>
> On Jul 5, 10:10 pm, Dave G  wrote:
>> Hi Patrick,
>> The difference is that I weigh 210 compared to your 155, thus more air
>> required to achieve that "fun feel"  :=)
>
> no doubt - was only providing my weight for a reference point with
> these tires.  it's interesting though - according to Berto's tire
> pressure chart, I typically over-inflate (unless i'm riding off-road -
> then I'm in "Berto" range).  I haven't checked it, but I bet you're
> over-inflating (according to the chart) too - it'd probably have you
> around 55-60psi rear?
>

Agreed. I'm 195 lbs and I go 50 psi on hetres and Pari-Moto's. Fat,
fast, suppleness... isn't that the whole point of 650b?

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Re: [RBW] Gen #1 QB; What Date Arrived?

[John Speare]

On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Ray  wrote:
>
> I checked the QB link on Jim's site.  First mention of QB arrival is
> RR #31, but no date associated with the issue.  I am trying to date my
> Serial #56.  Thank you.
>

I rode Alex Wetmore's green QB in Fall 05 (maybe summer?). I don't
know how close to the front of the line he was -- but it was the "new
thing" when he got it.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rapha has love for Rivendell

[John Speare]

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 8:26 PM, XO-1.org Rough Riders
 wrote:
>
> Yes, perhaps "brilliant" for the extant Riv fans who read it, but
> "marketing" implies reaching beyond the current fan/customer base. I
> don't see that happening, and never really have.
>

I guess it depends on how one defines "marketing."

 I define it as promoting your products so people buy them. Aside from
his abilities at getting interesting bikes built/shipped in our
current world (which is a huge talent), I think marketing is Grant
Petersen's strongest strength.

I've had Bridgestone catalogs, Rivendell catalogs, and Readers laying
around my house for years. Many times, non-bikey friends have picked
up this stuff, read it, and remarked on how just reading this stuff
makes them want to ride a bike.

GP has a way of mareketing a lifestyle that feels very un-marketing-y:
humble, straight-forward, folksy, personable, approriately technical,
reasonable, etc... it certainly pulled me in many years ago, and still
charms me and makes me want to buy his stuff.

For the most part, I think "marketing" deserves a bad rap -- it's
often a pack of lies or manipulation of our fears or sentimental
sucker punches. But in GP's case, marketing appears to be an extension
of the Riv "ethic." It's sort of marketing at it's best: just telling
the story of your products with as much genuine honesty as you
reasonably can.

But in the end, I still see it as marketing.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis 2?

[John Speare]

And another: http://johndogfood.com/john/BstoneAtlantis.html

My buddy found this at our local Goodwill for $12.99.




On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 1:38 PM, rcnute  wrote:

> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/atlantis/index.html
>
> On May 30, 5:24 am, newenglandbike  wrote:
> > On May 30, 7:11 am, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > Not really -- I've seen one, can't remember if in person or in photos.
> > > If I remember right, that one ended up going to none other than Grant
> > > Petersen.
> >
> > It was in the Rivendell Reader-  that's where I saw it anyway.
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Re: [RBW] WTB: Legolas - 58 or so

[John Speare]

On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 10:04 AM, rinjin  wrote:
>
> I know these are rare as hen's teeth, but thought I'd give it a shot.
> Anyone out there tired of looking at their Legolas or thinking of
> moving to another frame?
>
> Thanks!
>

Just curious -- does/will Rivendell still make this bike? I know there
are none up there now, but has Grant mentioned doing more runs of
these in some email/post/comment anywhere? Or has the Legolas gone the
way of the Quickbeam, Romulous, All-Rounder, Ramboullet, Redwood, etc,
never to be revived again?

The Legolas is the only Rivendell bike I could see purchasing someday.
Well, unless they brought back the original standard-gauge tubing
All-Rounder.


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Re: [RBW] Re: What is the level of your XO-1 nostalgia?

[John Speare]

On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Murray Love  wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Tim McNamara  wrote:
>>
>

>> Here's why I tell about the tragedy.  I replaced the bike with a Heron
>> Road with full Superbe, building it up over months at a friend's shop and
>> sneaking it into the house while we were out on Christmas Eve with the help
>> of neighbors.  She was shocked and delighted and, more than 10 years later,
>> rides the Heron lots.  But when I received the Heron frame from Rivendell
>> and examined it closely and compared the two frames, I realized something
>> about the XO-1.
>>
>> It was crude.  The lugs were not attractive.  They were not filed or
>> thinned.  Tube mitering was not good.  The brazing was sloppy and incomplete
>> around the BB shell.  The paint was not well done.  The Heron was a *vastly*
>> better made frame.  My nostalgia for the XO-1 as a bike vanished (although
>> my nostalgia for what it meant- it was basically our engagement ring-
>> remains).
>>

> Agreed 100%.  I had a 1993 XO-3 (lugged, Japan-made, same geometry as the
> XO-1 with slightly heavier triple-butted tubing).  Actually, I had two, and
> broke both in exactly the same way:  BB shell broke at the base of the
> seat-tube lug.
>

I've had many bridgestones (93 X0-1, 92 RBT, 91 RBT, 90 MB2, 91 CB-0,
93 RB1, 94 RB1, and a few other CB-x's passed through too) -- I agree
with the assesment that these were pretty poorly constructed bikes,
especially at the bottom bracket. I'm pretty sure they were machine
brazed at the bottom bracket, and I'd love to hear Grant throw in on
that, though I can understand why he wouldn't.

That said, to this day, the RBT is still my all time favorite
production bike -- a sensible, fast, light, tough bike that takes fat
enough tires and has good-enough tubing. I race my 91 RBT at the local
CX races and I take it trail riding multiple times a week. I love it.
I have two RBTs and I abuse them, hack them, and repair them to no
end. They're great bikes.

I understand why people seek out XO1s too, for the same reasons: a
great bike with a set of features that you simply cannot buy off the
floor of any LBS today. I personally love the concept of road bike
with 26 wheels and standard tubing. I wish the XO1 I had was a 55; I
wouldn't have sold it. I secretly keep my eye out for the 1st Gen Riv
all-rounders in my size. That said, for $1000-- you can easily find a
good-enough builder to TIG you up a copy of the XO1 and paint it
orange.

 If I were king of the world, I'd find the most pristine example of a
93 xo-1, put it in a bike museum, and then tax all other xo1 owners
that didn't ride them regularly. I think these bikes should be ridden
hard to be fully appreciated.

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Re: [RBW] fatter tires for 26" wheels

[John Speare]

On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 6:14 PM, b hamon  wrote:
>
> Do I feel slower? Well, I felt slower already but that's totally on me. The 
> ride is smoother and more stable and that matters more to me than speed these 
> days. I think this is a good experiment to do on bikes with 26" wheels. I'd 
> like to hear from others who are running wider tires on 26" bikes they ride 
> mostly on pavement.
> Beth
>
Beth:

I concur. My favorite 26" tire is the 1.75 Pasala. When I had a 56cm
Atlantis, I used that tire and it was perfect for me: fast enough,
cushy, great roller and cornerer.

I miss having a 26" tired road-type bike. I like the 650b thing and my
favorite tire of all time is the Hetre, but there's something really
fun, spry, and tough about a 26"-wheeled road-ish bike.

I had a 26"-wheeled Kogswell for a week, but then my buddy claimed
it... as per plan. I wouldn't mind having another and I'd probably
bite on a cheap (ha!) 55cm XO1 or 57-ish 1st gen All-Rounder. I'd run
the 1.75 Pasala on that for sure. Lovely tire that.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Child seat recommendations?

[John Speare]

On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Glenn Ammons  wrote:
>
> On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Weird Harold  wrote:
> >
> > Any one tried the iBert?
>
> That's what we use.  It's great having my daughter right up front
> (although recently she's into whacking her head into my chest and
> giggling maniacally) and I can pedal normally without my knees hitting
> the seat.  Standing is more of a challenge but doable with a bit of
> cooperation from my daughter.
>
>
Our (now 7 year old) daughter has been on just about every type of kid
hauling except a trail-a-bike over the years. (We did try a trail a
bike once and neither of us liked it).

She started out in a Burley solo when she was just over a year or so.
She never really liked it and by the time she was 2.5 years or so, she
just flat out refused to ride in it. Which makes sense when you think
about it: she's alone in a little cell and riding directly over the
axel of the cart, which makes for a pretty jarring ride. Since she
started so young, the novelity of being in a cart behind a bike never
really hit her. In fact, she looked forward to taking rides in the car
seat.

When my daughter was about 3, my wife took her to Italy for a month to
visit with family -- while there, they bought a segilino -- a
front-mount seat:
http://johndogfood.com/john/reduced/06-12-06%20051.jpg

That was always my daughter's favorite solution. She loved it and so
did my wife. Mainly because it was a much more active role: she can
see where she's going, she can do hand signals, ring the bell, and
chat with mom. The American versions of the same solution are
unfortunately much less elegant and way over-built in my opinon.

>From there, we got a companion carrier -- which mounts directly to the
top tube and therefore holds more weight.
pics here -- http://johndogfood.com/john/mb2.html
 We enjoyed trail riding and my daughter would still ride on this if I
let her. But she's got to go under her own power now... ;unless  we're
tooling around locally to breakfast or something, then I'll give her a
quick free ride on the front of my cargo truck:
http://cyclingspokane.blogspot.com/2010/02/kid-haulin.html

We tried a rear-mount seat but didn't like it at all. I found that
having dynamic weight that high above the rear wheel behind me was
distracting and my daughter wasn't crazy about staring at the back of
my helmet.

She rode on the deck of our xtracycle too -- for short trips, but she
was never hugley crazy about that either. A friend of mine borrowed my
xtracycle for a couple years and his kids loved riding on the deck --
so it may work for some kids. Hauling kids on the deck of a long bike
is pretty effortless for tooling around.

When my daughter was about 4 or 5, we got a Bike Friday tandem. That
ruled. And we rode it for a couple years. We did bike camping on it,
and we commuted to her preschool every day. Pics here:
http://johndogfood.com/john/BF.html

Now my daughter prefers to ride her own bike. The tandem was great but
took up way too much room in our small garage for how infrequently we
rode it.

The net for me was that when she was young enough, the front-mount
seat was great. It's a shame that smaller/less complicated/less turdy
front-seat-solutions are so hard to find in the American market. In my
opinion, the big honking plastic molded car-seat looking seats that
are sold here are just overbuilt and too big for the task at hand.

The companion carrier can be found with google searching and phone
calling though.


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Re: [RBW] ok to ask here? re: ibob list

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He is having a disk failure on the bikelist.org server.

On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 7:11 AM, Frederick, Steve
wrote:

> Alex posted last week that he was having some server issues.  They seem to
> be recurring...
>
> Steve Frederick, East Lansing, MI
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fw: [650B] Pari-Moto Update 2/12/2010

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On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 7:55 PM, Esteban  wrote:
>
> Great news!  I saw the early model at Riv a few weeks ago - tread was
> too thin.  This is gonna be an awesome tire.  It must be pretty darn
> good if Grand Bois dropped their 38mm Hetre project.
>

I read this elsewhere: that the tread was too thin. It makes me
nervous that he'll pile too much rubber on this tire... and make it
more CdV'y -- I've been loving the supple and very thin Grand Bois
Cerfs, they're a dreamy ride, at a mere 28mm wide.

I have a pre-paid pair of the Pari Motos and I was really hoping they
would be a lighter, thinner version of the Hetres, which are my
favorite tires ever.

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Re: [RBW] Re: OT Can someone reccomend a bike shop on the east side of seattle?

[John Speare]

> On Dec 20, 1:41 pm, Joshua  Kruck  wrote:
>> Sorry for the off topic post. I'm in the east side of Seattle
>> (Issaquah) for the holidays. The bolt for the clamp on dads stem
>> seized and the treads stripped off and I'd like to take care of it for
>> him while I'm here. Could someone point me at a shop that would have a
>> 1 inch threaded quill type stem so I can replace it for him while I'm
>> here? I've checked the local REI and Gregs with no luck so far. If
>> anyone wants to unload a used one I'd be game to come take it off your
>> hands, ~11 cm and 26mm clamp. Looking for something like a Technomic
>> or similar (so no rise basically)
>> Thanks,
>> Josh
>
> --
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Sammish Cyclies will have 1" quill and probably a technomic.

http://www.sammamishcycle.com/

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders on Bombadil for off-road and mountain biking...

[John Speare]

On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:20 PM, Rene Sterental  wrote:
> Hi John,
> What you say makes a lot of sense. Have you ridden off-road (mountain biked)
> with steel fenders? Or is this just your logical analysis of the question I
> posed? While logical analysis make sense (usually), nothing beats actual
> experience. Not that I'm challenging you or anything, I'm just curious since
> your logic pretty much goes against what a lot of people have advised in
> response to my question.
> It does make a lot of sense, but all responses seem to be logical as well...
> :-D
> René
>
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I don't really mountain bike. I do a lot of trail and off-roadish
riding on a bike with a steel fender up front. And I've caught (and
broke) a  few sticks in it. Most of my bikes have plastic fenders and
the front release clips drive me bonkers when I'm riding and catch
them and fenders yank out.

Seeing the response in this tread about the woman whose Honjo crumpled
surprises me.

Like others the one reservation I'd have about doing "real" mountain
biking with metal fenders would be in how long the front fender hangs
down, which could make hopping/riding over stuff hard.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders on Bombadil for off-road and mountain biking...

[John Speare]

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 3:12 PM, JoelMatthews  wrote:
>
> On Dec 10, 5:01 pm, Rene Sterental  wrote:
>> I am debating whether to install fenders on my new Bombadil, which I still
>> haven't had time to finish assembling, but should be done by Saturday at the
>> latest, as all I have left is to install the shifters and fine tune the
>> brakes. I have switched the knobby tires to Specialized El Capitan Control
>> 2Bliss, 2.2 front and 2.0 rear, which now give good clearance. This is
>> essentially a 56mm wide front knobby tire and a 51mm wide rear tire.
>>
>> I'd like to install fenders, which at this point would have to be Giles
>> Berthoud stainless steel fenders in 700x60, but am wondering if there would
>> be negative risks if I went mountain biking with the fenders. Someone told
>> me that a rock or something else could get stuck between tire and fender
>> with catastrophic consequences.
>>
>> I'm also planning to use Marathon Extreme tires when I'm riding it in the
>> road primarily and only need easy dirt trail capability, and just discovered
>> there is a Marathon Supreme version in 2.0 as well. Will the 1.6 Marathon
>> Extremes (42mm wide) look odd or behave oddly with 60mm fenders?
>>
>> Let me know what you think about mountain biking and going off-road with
>> fenders.
>>
>> René
>
> A lot of things would have to happen for a rock or other debris to
> cause the scenario you described.  If those things did come together
> and you have a bike with steel fenders, you could wind up crashing -
> maybe even going over the handlebars.  SKS breakaway fenders do not
> look nearly as good as Berthoud but would be more safe.
>
> Tires are personal choice.  I would not want to use Extremes on a bike
> that is mostly on paved roads.  I think the big Supremes or the more
> supple Big Apples would better suit you.

Installing plastic fenders with break-away tabs seems in theory the
right choice for offroading + fenders, but really it's worse when you
think it through and compare a stick getting caught in a stay.

On a plastic/break-away fender a stick can easily dislodge the
break-away stay, which is annoying at best, and dangerous at worse if
the stay in turn catches on something else. In addtion, the rear stays
don't have a break-away feature, so a stick lodging in the fender can
easily crumple/tear/mangle a plastic fender and take you down.

Compare this to a alloy or steel fender that has stronger and more
rigid stays. Any stick that is small enough to lodge/get caught in
between the stays is much more likely break before the stay or fender
deforms or fails.

As for rocks getting caught/lodged in the fender, you just need to set
it up correctly (regardless of fender type): make sure the gap at the
entrance (bottom) of the fender is slightly smaller than the gap at
the exit (top) of the fender.

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[RBW] Re: New Belgium Brewery, beer that's flavored with bikes.

[John Speare]

On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 6:04 PM, jinxed  wrote:
>
> I know the topic of other "Rivish" companies has come up in the past,
> and I wanted to add to the list so to speak. New Belgium Brewery in
> Fort Collins Colorado.

...

> A quick check of their website, www.newbelgium.com and you quickly
> understand they have a keen interest in bicycles. What I thought was a
> "staged" photo of their front entryway with dozens of employee bikes
> parked all aroundnot staged. We drove up this past Wednesday
> afternoon to take their free tour, and it's no joke regarding the
> bikes. You name it, it was parked out front. And the second you're in
> the door you realize this company runs a bit different than most. It
> was difficult to tell the difference between the people enjoying the
> tasting bar, and the employees. You can read up on the history and
> such and how the "Fat Tire" was named from a bicycle ride through
> Belgium, that they are wind powered, employee owned etc...but the
> really big thing that struck me was the general vibe. The people there
> really seemed to be just as passionate about making the product as the
> consumers are consuming it. I feel if a company has been able to
> achieve that kind of atmosphere amongst it's work force, their product
> has to be better for it.
>
...

Jim: pre-apologies for the OT frenzy here, but I've got to speak up
for New Belgium.

When it comes to bikey stuff, this company is for real.

A few months ago, they donated $2300 to our local bike non-profit
(www.pedals2people.org), for the mobile workshop project, where tools,
stands, supplies, etc are loaded up in to Burley bike trailers and
hauled to parts of town where no LBS exist and kids w/ little-to-no
money don't ride bikes for want of trivial fixes (flat tires, busted
chains, etc). Pedals2People volunteers get the kids going. Along with
a super generous deal from Burley, New Belgium's $2300 created 3
mobile workshops.

Great company. I'm not a fan of their Amber, but I find their
Mothership Wit and Skinny Dip summer beers pretty interesting


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[RBW] Re: Winter Riding Clothing

[John Speare]

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 10:51 AM, John McMurry  wrote:
>
> The Ibex Hybrid Dash jacket with a merino wool base layer (Icebreaker,
> Ibex, or Woolywarm, or Bicycle Fixation's Ninja Jersey) keeps me more
> comfortable, in the widest range of conditions, than any other
> combination I've tried.  As an added bonus, it looks a heck of a lot
> better than some of the outfits I've been caught wearing too:
> http://tinyurl.com/ycls729
>

I've been trying to stay out of this one because I'm pretty fantical
about the Ibex Dash Hybrid. I ride year 'round in Spokane, WA. Spokane
is eastern Washington state, where you get 4 distinctly beautiful
seasons. Winter is lots of snow and pretty cold, with a couple weeks
of zero to sub-zero weather.

The Dash Hybrid jacket is the best jacket by far that I've ever tried.
Like, John, I layer Icebreaker or Ibex under it. Smartwool too, but
that's a long third. And I don't have much Woolywarm left.

Right now, it's about 40F on my commute to work. For that, I'll go
with a short sleeve micro weight wool  + the Dash Hybrid. At 35, I'll
add a mid-weight wool. Under freezing, I'll add another micro. which
keeps me happy down to about zero.

Ibex no longer makes the Dash Hybrid. Their new version is called the
Vim Hybrid and it's thinner/lighter-weight and not bike specific. It's
a fine jacket and more versitile across a range of activities, but
it's more suited, I think to more temprate winters and will require
more layering for my climate than the Dash Hybrid does. (Full
disclosure: Ibex sent me a Vim Hybrid to review for a local out door
monthly magazine).

The Dash Hybrid is the only jacket that has really held up for me in
the "suffering zone," which is just above freezing and raining, aka:
"cold and wet." Some one else pointed out the folly of "waterproof and
breathable." I agree. In my experience, that concept is just pure
fantsay. When it comes to riding hard in the suffering zone, you can
be wet and cold, or wet and warm, but not dry and warm.



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[RBW] Re: Potential Pacenti 650B x 38mm performance tire

[John Speare]

On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Seth Vidal  wrote:
>
>
>
> Are there any domestically made and manufactured tires? I'm not asking
> for jingoistic reasons - I'm just curious.
>
> -sv
>


The Grand Bois, Cypres, Cerf, Pacenti, Col d Vie, all Rivendell tires,
and Pasalas are all made by Panaracer, AKA National Tire Co of Japan.

As for price -- I cringe when I buy the Grand Bois, Cerf -- $60/tire
is hard to spend. But the difference in ride that they make is well
worth it to me.

Remember also, as Pacenti's email illustrates, these are small runs.
So the cost is high. I just bought some Quasi-Motos with the same
cringe.

John "I'm embarrassed by how much I've spent on tires in the last few
years" Speare

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[RBW] Re: Light touring and Hilsens

[John Speare]

On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Mike  wrote:
>
> Hey Jim, the tour my friend and I are doing is based on this Alex
> Wetmore's tour from 2007:
>
> http://blogs.phred.org/blogs/alex_wetmore/archive/2007/07/27/5-days-and-200-miles-in-the-gifford-pinchot-national-forest.aspx
>


It may be worth noting that Alex did that tour on a bike with much
lighter tubing (standard diameter and 8-5-8, or perhaps 7-4-7
thickness) that what ships on the Hilson.

He packs light-ish: probably around 25 lbs of stuff

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[RBW] Re: S240 gear related post

[John Speare]

On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 7:14 AM, Mike  wrote:
>
> No matter how lightweight I can't imagine riding with a backpack but
> it appears to work well for Kent and he certainly is speaking from
> experience. I'm touring for like 7 days this summer, mainly on back
> roads, and am hoping to use small front panniers and a Carradice
> Nelson saddlebag.
>
> The tour my friend and I am planning will be based on this route:
>
> http://blogs.phred.org/blogs/alex_wetmore/archive/2007/07.aspx
>


Prepare for the best ride of your life. I day dream about that ride frequently.



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[RBW] Re: leather saddle rain cover

[John Speare]

On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 6:59 AM, Will  wrote:
>
> Hi all. This image of my Rambouillet (http://tinyurl.com/cnz6os) shows
> a "Saddle Bonnet for B17" (this one: http://tinyurl.com/c7rnrf) that I
> used for 8 hours of riding in Sunday's rain. After the ride, about 1/3
> of the surface area of the saddle--the outer edges--was soaked; middle
> 2/3 was dry. Wondering if others have found more effective solutions.
> How do you like the Velox cover? (http://tinyurl.com/c49mxw). I know,
> nothing works as well as a plastic bag and duct tape -- just looking
> for something slightly more elegant. Thx.
>



I use the Velox. But if you use the Velox when you ride it likes to
slide off between your thighs when you stand up. I've lost a couple
like this. Though I try to avoid riding on saddle covers, sometimes
they end up living on the saddle for a few days...

So now, I put the otherwise-worthless Brooks cover over the Velox to
keep it on when I ride. I can then use the Brooks cover to store both
the Velox and the Brooks cover under the saddle when I'm not using
them. I stuff the velox into the "nose" of the brooks cover, roll it
up, stuff it under the saddle and lash the velcro tab around the
seatpost.

I have a couple Truant covers, which were the best, and as such, are
no longer made. But Jandd has a new one that appears to be nearly as
nice.

Wallbike sells the Jandd, the Velox, and the Brooks:
http://www.wallbike.com/brooks/veloxseatcover.html

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[RBW] Re: Do Pacenti Quasi-Motos fit on a Bleriot?

[John Speare]

On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Gino Zahnd  wrote:
>
> I highly doubt it. The mystical and not-yet-made Pacenti 43mm knobby
> would, though.
>


I ahve a sinking feeling that the quasi-moto is what became of the
mythical Pacenti 43mm knobby

Last August, Kirk said the 43mm knobby was about 6 months out. And now
we have the quasi.

A nice 43mm 650b knobby would make life so much more interesting for me.

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[RBW] Re: To Sell Or Not To Sell With DirtDrops?

[John Speare]

On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 12:59 PM, David Estes  wrote:
>
> A, tempting me again
>
> I'd sell it w/out the DD's.  Not so much to get rich, but knowing someone out 
> there might really want them (I have three sets myself) but not want the 
> whole bike.
>
> DE
>

I agree with David.

Actually, you've got a lot of nice bits on there. If you're really
trying to maximize cash in pocket, a lot of that stuff will bring more
as individual pieces than they will on the bike. That assumes you have
the stomach for ebaying all that stuff. I used to, but I don't
anymore.

The dirtdrops aren't the only interesting bits on that bike.

I assume  the Ritchey "Microdrive" is a 94/58 bcd crankset or is it
the 86? Those make great doubles (think 45/28 coupled with a 12-28 in
the rear) and are hard to find these days. I'd buy it if you stripped
it off.

Any SIS 8-spd is getting harder to find, so the shifters may be
interesting to some.

The UN-71 isn't made anymore. Only the heavier 5x. If there's life
left in that, you could sell it easily.

King headset, fancy hubs, the older xt derailleurs, 986 brakes: jsut
good stuff to have around in your parts bin or easy enough to unload
for reasonable prices.

I bet if you stripped this bike down you could make more and likely
sell off a bunch of this stuff on the RBW or BOB list pretty easily.
And you wouldn't have to deal with ebay.


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[RBW] Re: acorn bag FS

[John Speare]

On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 4:30 PM, John Speare  wrote:
> Good timing.
>
> I'm interested.
>
> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 3:18 PM, b hamon  wrote:
>> I am selling my kelly green Acorn small handlebar bag (the style with soft
>> sides, rear-facing double pockets, NO map sleeve). I have more bikes than
>> bags and this one never really saw enough use from me. It HAS, however, been
>> loaned out to a friend for a short camping trip, so there are wear spots on
>> the leather patch and what appears to be a small spill of white flour inside
>> the main compartment. The bag has NOT been proofed with anything.
>>
>> This was made by Acorn Bags from re-purposed canvas fabric.
>>
>> (Note: I am NOT selling the rear bag that was also made from this fabric.
>> Just selling the front. I guess this will get me kicked out of the
>> bag-matcher's club but there it is.)
>>
>> I am asking $50.00 for the bag.
>> Please reply off-list. --Beth
>>
>>
>>
>> http://bikelovejones.livejournal.com
>> http://veloquent.blogspot.com
>>
>> >>


Sorry all -- for the second reply-all in a row. I can never get use to
the mail lists that put their own address in reply-to. errg!

Apologies to you to Beth: I thought this was a different bag -- even
though you said it was the small one...

Everyone: please carry on as if neither of these two messages were ever sent.

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[RBW] Re: acorn bag FS

[John Speare]

Good timing.

I'm interested.

On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 3:18 PM, b hamon  wrote:
> I am selling my kelly green Acorn small handlebar bag (the style with soft
> sides, rear-facing double pockets, NO map sleeve). I have more bikes than
> bags and this one never really saw enough use from me. It HAS, however, been
> loaned out to a friend for a short camping trip, so there are wear spots on
> the leather patch and what appears to be a small spill of white flour inside
> the main compartment. The bag has NOT been proofed with anything.
>
> This was made by Acorn Bags from re-purposed canvas fabric.
>
> (Note: I am NOT selling the rear bag that was also made from this fabric.
> Just selling the front. I guess this will get me kicked out of the
> bag-matcher's club but there it is.)
>
> I am asking $50.00 for the bag.
> Please reply off-list. --Beth
>
>
>
> http://bikelovejones.livejournal.com
> http://veloquent.blogspot.com
>
> >
>



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[RBW] Re: Rivs & Mac's

[John Speare]

On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 7:51 AM, JoelMatthews  wrote:

>
> >  I could  give my All-Rounder to a homeless guy but it wouldn't really
> work any
> > better for him than giving him an inexpensive, used-but-serviceable
> > mountain bike.
>
> That is exactly the problem I am running into with my redundant
> touring bike.  I have found many programs looking for bike donations.
> When you read the prospectus, however, it is clear most of these
> services are looking for basic transit bikes like a Trek Globe.
>
> I am sure these groups would take a touring bike, but it would never
> be used to its full ability.  Not even close.
>
>
That may not be a good assumption. You should contact the organizations.
Your bike could be sold to fund other projects in the org.

I volunteer for a local bike non-profit (pedals2people.org). A mechanic at a
LBS donated his Bruce Gordon BLT. The frame was pristine and the components
were all new.

We sold the bike to raise funds for our free bike tune up events and other
projects. The guy that bought the bike commutes on it daily and plans to
tour on it too.

As for having bikes sit around not being ridden, it drives me nuts. The
Atlantis is the finest loaded touring bike I've ever ridden, but that's the
only time I really rode it: loaded touring. Otherwise it just sat in my
garage, passed over for daily trail riding and commuting.  I sold it and
don't regret it.

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