Re: [RBW] Re: I need to repair or mask scratches in new black paint

[Steve Palincsar]

On 2/16/20 7:07 PM, 'Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
Thanks, George.  I'm glad I'm not the only one who learned something 
from this.


Dave

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[RBW] Re: I need to repair or mask scratches in new black paint

['Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks, George.  I'm glad I'm not the only one who learned something from 
this.  

Dave

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[RBW] Re: I need to repair or mask scratches in new black paint

[George Schick]

I think you did the right thing by taking it to a professional and I'm glad 
it turned out well.  It was a learning experience for some of us, too. 
 After reading about it on this thread I went out and bought some Meguir's 
Ultimate Compound.  Never would have known about it had you not brought up 
the issue with your frame on this blog.


On Sunday, February 16, 2020 at 2:08:03 PM UTC-6, Dave Small wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> The story has a happy ending thanks for a local auto detailer.  I took it 
> to him yesterday and said "can you fix this?"  He thumbed it and said "I 
> think so, but my nail is catching one of the scratches so it may not come 
> out completely."  I said that's fine, even if it's just greatly diminished 
> I could live with it.  He put a dollop of liquid goop on a rag and polished 
> for a minute, reloaded his rag and polished for a minute more, said "I'm 
> gonna switch to something lighter," disappeared in back for a minute, came 
> back with a dollop of something else on the rag, polished for a minute, 
> inspected it, and said "can you still see it?"  I looked and said "nope, 
> you're a genius."  
>
> It took him about 6 minutes to fix the problem, which says a lot for 
> relying on experience.  And I got to watch him, so I'll be comfortable 
> doing it myself next time if there *is* a next time.  I brought it home, 
> put a coat of wax on top, and took it over to my mechanic a while ago.  He 
> won't finish it before I leave town later this week, but he'll have it done 
> by the time I return in a month.  I'm looking forward to seeing the 
> finished bike.  
>
> Thanks again to all those who chimed in.  
>
> Dave
>

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[RBW] Re: I need to repair or mask scratches in new black paint

['Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi all,

The story has a happy ending thanks for a local auto detailer.  I took it 
to him yesterday and said "can you fix this?"  He thumbed it and said "I 
think so, but my nail is catching one of the scratches so it may not come 
out completely."  I said that's fine, even if it's just greatly diminished 
I could live with it.  He put a dollop of liquid goop on a rag and polished 
for a minute, reloaded his rag and polished for a minute more, said "I'm 
gonna switch to something lighter," disappeared in back for a minute, came 
back with a dollop of something else on the rag, polished for a minute, 
inspected it, and said "can you still see it?"  I looked and said "nope, 
you're a genius."  

It took him about 6 minutes to fix the problem, which says a lot for 
relying on experience.  And I got to watch him, so I'll be comfortable 
doing it myself next time if there *is* a next time.  I brought it home, 
put a coat of wax on top, and took it over to my mechanic a while ago.  He 
won't finish it before I leave town later this week, but he'll have it done 
by the time I return in a month.  I'm looking forward to seeing the 
finished bike.  

Thanks again to all those who chimed in.  

Dave

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[RBW] Re: I need to repair or mask scratches in new black paint

[Mark Roland]

I've used the product I recommended above on bicycles with good results. 
You could try a bit on the bottom of the bottom bracket or a chainstay.

On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 10:29:26 PM UTC-5, Dave Small wrote:
>
> Thanks much to everyone who's responded.  I love this forum, with its 
> cumulative knowledge and folks who're willing to take the time to help 
> others.  
>
> Laing mentioned Youtube, which was a great suggestion that I hadn't 
> considered.  Forty minutes of watching scratch-removal videos convinced me 
> that the scratches can probably be removed by polishing, or if not removed 
> then at least diminished to the extent that they won't torment me when I 
> ride and look down.  Responses that followed Laing's confirmed that the 
> right kind of polishing might do the trick.  Many of the Youtube videos 
> warn about being too aggressive or the possibility of leaving streaks or 
> fine lines so the solution is not without risk, and each one touts a 
> different product or slightly different approach that the poster thinks is 
> the best to avoid those risks.  
>
> I quickly realized that most of the videos were posted by auto detailers. 
>  I'm still nervous about the potential unintended consequences of a novice 
> like me using the wrong product, or using the right product wrongly, so I'm 
> going to take it to a local detailer to see if this is an easy fix for 
> someone with experience.  I suspect it is, and it might even be easy for 
> me, but this frame is too nice for me to risk making worse with my 
> inexperience.  I wish I had a beater bike to practice on but I don't.  
>
> I'll report back and let y'all know what happens.  Hopefully there's a 
> happy ending ahead.  
>
> Dave
>

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[RBW] Re: I need to repair or mask scratches in new black paint

[George Schick]

Dave - practice on someone else's car :-)


On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 9:29:26 PM UTC-6, Dave Small wrote:
>
> Thanks much to everyone who's responded.  I love this forum, with its 
> cumulative knowledge and folks who're willing to take the time to help 
> others.  
>
> Laing mentioned Youtube, which was a great suggestion that I hadn't 
> considered.  Forty minutes of watching scratch-removal videos convinced me 
> that the scratches can probably be removed by polishing, or if not removed 
> then at least diminished to the extent that they won't torment me when I 
> ride and look down.  Responses that followed Laing's confirmed that the 
> right kind of polishing might do the trick.  Many of the Youtube videos 
> warn about being too aggressive or the possibility of leaving streaks or 
> fine lines so the solution is not without risk, and each one touts a 
> different product or slightly different approach that the poster thinks is 
> the best to avoid those risks.  
>
> I quickly realized that most of the videos were posted by auto detailers. 
>  I'm still nervous about the potential unintended consequences of a novice 
> like me using the wrong product, or using the right product wrongly, so I'm 
> going to take it to a local detailer to see if this is an easy fix for 
> someone with experience.  I suspect it is, and it might even be easy for 
> me, but this frame is too nice for me to risk making worse with my 
> inexperience.  I wish I had a beater bike to practice on but I don't.  
>
> I'll report back and let y'all know what happens.  Hopefully there's a 
> happy ending ahead.  
>
> Dave
>

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[RBW] Re: I need to repair or mask scratches in new black paint

['Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks much to everyone who's responded.  I love this forum, with its 
cumulative knowledge and folks who're willing to take the time to help 
others.  

Laing mentioned Youtube, which was a great suggestion that I hadn't 
considered.  Forty minutes of watching scratch-removal videos convinced me 
that the scratches can probably be removed by polishing, or if not removed 
then at least diminished to the extent that they won't torment me when I 
ride and look down.  Responses that followed Laing's confirmed that the 
right kind of polishing might do the trick.  Many of the Youtube videos 
warn about being too aggressive or the possibility of leaving streaks or 
fine lines so the solution is not without risk, and each one touts a 
different product or slightly different approach that the poster thinks is 
the best to avoid those risks.  

I quickly realized that most of the videos were posted by auto detailers. 
 I'm still nervous about the potential unintended consequences of a novice 
like me using the wrong product, or using the right product wrongly, so I'm 
going to take it to a local detailer to see if this is an easy fix for 
someone with experience.  I suspect it is, and it might even be easy for 
me, but this frame is too nice for me to risk making worse with my 
inexperience.  I wish I had a beater bike to practice on but I don't.  

I'll report back and let y'all know what happens.  Hopefully there's a 
happy ending ahead.  

Dave

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[RBW] Re: I need to repair or mask scratches in new black paint

[masmojo]

OK, I was looking at this on my phone last night and on my small screen the 
white patch looked like what you were trying to fix; Now I am on my 
computer I see that the white mark is just the refection of the light & the 
skratches are to the left of that.

Better, I agree it looks as thought the scratches are confined to the clear 
coat; so although they may not looks that great they are not serious and 
the compound is probably the best bet.

Oh, & the black Sams are sick looking!

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[RBW] Re: I need to repair or mask scratches in new black paint

[Pancake]

Lots of good replies, but my opinion based on some similar paint and clear 
coat repairs to other Rivendells:

*Before* considering sand paper, *definitely try scratch removal compound. 
Specifically, Meguiar's Ultimate Compound. *It's $10 at Walmart, AutoZone, 
or O'Reilly's ... or free if you swing by my place in Napa, I'll just give 
you a bigger dollop than you need or try to fix the scratch with you in my 
garage. Utlimate Compound is fantastic for your situation, you can work it 
by hand until you get the result you're after and it is nearly impossible 
to damage your paint with them when working them by hand. You could follow 
up with Ultimate Polish but it's probably unnecessary, the Ultimate 
Compound is your fix. There are others, Scratch-X comes to mind. I would 
not suggest a more aggressive compound (like Turtles) because they can 
leave visible swirls in a gloss finish.

If that doesn't fix these scratches, though I'm confident it would, you 
could use a tiny brush to add some Testor's enamel paint, let it mostly dry 
for an hour or so, then smooth the surface level to the original paint 
using some denatured alcohol on a cloth to gently remove the fresh paint 
until it's smooth. This is usually only needed if the scratch goes below 
the paint to the metal. On black it would work very well and I'd be 
surprised if anyone could tell unless they know where to look and are less 
than 12" away when looking. Again, if you bring the paint I would happily 
do this for you.

Auto detailing is my side hustle ... with the only issue being that I never 
charge anyone for it because I only work on friend's cars from my garage. 
I'd be happy to help with your Sam (mine is a blue 56cm double tt) if you 
happen to be in the SF Bay Area.

Alternatively, Grant says nail polish with a different color or just let it 
stay and call it beusage. 

Abe


On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 at 12:18:01 PM UTC-8, Dave Small wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Two years ago I bought a new black Sam Hillborne frame from Rivendell. 
>  For reasons not relevant to this post, I couldn't do anything with it then 
> so kept it unopened in the box in my basement until this past weekend, when 
> I opened the box intending to take it to my mechanic to have it built up. 
>  Upon removing the frame from the box and tearing away the bubble wrap from 
> the top tube I discovered extensive scratches on the top of the top tube 
> midway between the seat and head tubes.  Cardboard had rubbed through the 
> bubble wrap surrounding the top tube and then rubbed against the frame as 
> the frame wobbled left to right during shipping, and this was the result.  
>
> The scratches are superficial but readily apparent at a glance, and are in 
> nearly the worst spot possible.  I'd like to fix or mask these somehow, or 
> else I'll see them every time I look down and be unhappy with the bike. 
>  The best solution would be to have the top tube (and only the top tube) 
> repainted, but I don't know a local frame painter (in Indianapolis) who I 
> could take it to for that, or if a painter could paint *only* the top 
> tube and have everything match.  I have three other ideas, but don't know 
> if I'd be happy with them once they're implemented:
>
> 1. Have a cream panel painted on the top tube to match the cream head tube 
> and the cream seat tube panel.
> 2. Wrap the scratched part of the TT with black or honey leather, which 
> would provide the additional benefit of giving me a contact spot to use to 
> lean the bike against a pole if I ever need to.  
> 3. Twine the scratched section, with shellac if there's no chance of the 
> shellac hurting the paint and without shellac if there is.  
>
> I'll always have a honey saddle on the bike, if that helps you picture 
> these options.  
>
> Do any of you know a painter near Indianapolis who could paint the top 
> tube to match?  What do y'all think of the ideas above?  Do you have any 
> better options?  I'd appreciate the input.  Thanks.
>
> Dave
> Indianapolis, IN
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: I need to repair or mask scratches in new black paint

[Steven Frederick]

Yah, rubbing compound and a "scratch remover" polish would be a good place
to start.  You can always move up to fine sandpaper if that is insufficient.

Steve

On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 4:54 PM George Schick  wrote:

> Laing - instead of the W/D sandpaper how about rubbing or, better yet,
> polishing compound, applied with a rag and some water?  I've rubbed out
> scratches on automobiles with that stuff before and it works just fine.
> You should be able to get it at an auto part store.
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 at 3:38:15 PM UTC-6, lconley wrote:
>>
>> You could also try an auto or motorcycle detailer or a paint-less dent
>> remover professional if you don't want to do it yourself.
>>
>> You can always start with 3000 or 5000 grit or the highest grit you can
>> find to develop some experience and confidence. The higher the grit number,
>> the less paint it removes.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 at 3:56:10 PM UTC-5, Dave Small wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Laing.  Sad to say, it's a 58cm.
>>>
>>> I thought about polishing but didn't want to make it worse (I've learned
>>> the hard way that I have a tendency to do that sometimes) if I had other
>>> options.  I hadn't thought about Youtube, and it's a good idea.  I'll look
>>> there.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
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[RBW] Re: I need to repair or mask scratches in new black paint

[ascpgh]

Scratches can polish out as others have described with less aggressive than 
W/D high count fine grit papers. For the possibility that you are seeing 
marring of the clear coat over the paint, I'd sure try the least invasive 
methods first so you don't go into the clear any more than necessary or the 
paint coat. 

I've used a very soft polish as a first pass mar/scratch remedy. Had good 
luck with the fine material provided in a headlight lens buffing kit. Used 
by hand with a rag it's very controllable both in area affected and force 
applied (intended for use on a provided buffing wheel with a power drill). 
I had it so I tried it before buying another. Other home soft polish 
examples are toothpaste, kitchen or bathroom fixture cleansers, Barkeepers 
friend. 

If deeper injuries or actual voids are present, you can avoid the re-paint 
thing by trying a cabinet touch-up stick. The material can fill the void, 
be shaped to flushness and buffed to a gloss. I've used the black to cover 
brad holes in prefinished matching trim for cabinetry and was surprised how 
I could buff until it had the right sheen for the rest of the finish. 

I had a black car a while back and it turns out that black paint can be 
thought of as a specialty in that field and touch-ups are a lot more 
troubling than imaginable. A car body offers large planes of finish and 
greater ability to compare original paint to touch up or feathered-in 
repaint. Bikes are much more forgiving. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 at 3:18:01 PM UTC-5, Dave Small wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Two years ago I bought a new black Sam Hillborne frame from Rivendell. 
>  For reasons not relevant to this post, I couldn't do anything with it then 
> so kept it unopened in the box in my basement until this past weekend, when 
> I opened the box intending to take it to my mechanic to have it built up. 
>  Upon removing the frame from the box and tearing away the bubble wrap from 
> the top tube I discovered extensive scratches on the top of the top tube 
> midway between the seat and head tubes.  Cardboard had rubbed through the 
> bubble wrap surrounding the top tube and then rubbed against the frame as 
> the frame wobbled left to right during shipping, and this was the result.  
>
> The scratches are superficial but readily apparent at a glance, and are in 
> nearly the worst spot possible.  I'd like to fix or mask these somehow, or 
> else I'll see them every time I look down and be unhappy with the bike. 
>  The best solution would be to have the top tube (and only the top tube) 
> repainted, but I don't know a local frame painter (in Indianapolis) who I 
> could take it to for that, or if a painter could paint *only* the top 
> tube and have everything match.  I have three other ideas, but don't know 
> if I'd be happy with them once they're implemented:
>
> 1. Have a cream panel painted on the top tube to match the cream head tube 
> and the cream seat tube panel.
> 2. Wrap the scratched part of the TT with black or honey leather, which 
> would provide the additional benefit of giving me a contact spot to use to 
> lean the bike against a pole if I ever need to.  
> 3. Twine the scratched section, with shellac if there's no chance of the 
> shellac hurting the paint and without shellac if there is.  
>
> I'll always have a honey saddle on the bike, if that helps you picture 
> these options.  
>
> Do any of you know a painter near Indianapolis who could paint the top 
> tube to match?  What do y'all think of the ideas above?  Do you have any 
> better options?  I'd appreciate the input.  Thanks.
>
> Dave
> Indianapolis, IN
>

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[RBW] Re: I need to repair or mask scratches in new black paint

[masmojo]

Go to the local hobby shop get a small bottle of Testors gloss black.
Whilst having a small amount of paint thinner handy; dab paint in the scratch 
with a small brush then wipe the area quickly witha soft clean rag. The idea is 
to leave paint in the scratch whilst removing it from  the surrounding area. 
Might take several tries. If your first attempt is unacceptable, simply wipe 
off with the paint thinner and try again until you get it.

Let dry and buff/polish.

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[RBW] Re: I need to repair or mask scratches in new black paint

[Drw]

Seconded. Don’t know what kind of bars/stem you intend on using, but if that’s 
the area where the bars would swing around and hit, I’d wrap that area anyway 
to prevent a dent.
It almost looks like the area you’d want to protect, but hard to know without 
the front end installed.

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[RBW] Re: I need to repair or mask scratches in new black paint

[Mark Roland]

This stuff works pretty good. 
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Meguiars-M10532-Mirror-Glaze-Ultra-cut-Compound-32-Oz/29724007
If you don't like walmart, Harbor Freight sells it for $14 more. So does 
Autozone. Walmart is nominally better than Amazon, which I don't use. Got 
mine at the local Autozone, but in a smaller bottle.

You might need to wax or polish afterward. If any deeper scratches remain, 
I use a black marker. 

On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 at 3:18:01 PM UTC-5, Dave Small wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Two years ago I bought a new black Sam Hillborne frame from Rivendell. 
>  For reasons not relevant to this post, I couldn't do anything with it then 
> so kept it unopened in the box in my basement until this past weekend, when 
> I opened the box intending to take it to my mechanic to have it built up. 
>  Upon removing the frame from the box and tearing away the bubble wrap from 
> the top tube I discovered extensive scratches on the top of the top tube 
> midway between the seat and head tubes.  Cardboard had rubbed through the 
> bubble wrap surrounding the top tube and then rubbed against the frame as 
> the frame wobbled left to right during shipping, and this was the result.  
>
> The scratches are superficial but readily apparent at a glance, and are in 
> nearly the worst spot possible.  I'd like to fix or mask these somehow, or 
> else I'll see them every time I look down and be unhappy with the bike. 
>  The best solution would be to have the top tube (and only the top tube) 
> repainted, but I don't know a local frame painter (in Indianapolis) who I 
> could take it to for that, or if a painter could paint *only* the top 
> tube and have everything match.  I have three other ideas, but don't know 
> if I'd be happy with them once they're implemented:
>
> 1. Have a cream panel painted on the top tube to match the cream head tube 
> and the cream seat tube panel.
> 2. Wrap the scratched part of the TT with black or honey leather, which 
> would provide the additional benefit of giving me a contact spot to use to 
> lean the bike against a pole if I ever need to.  
> 3. Twine the scratched section, with shellac if there's no chance of the 
> shellac hurting the paint and without shellac if there is.  
>
> I'll always have a honey saddle on the bike, if that helps you picture 
> these options.  
>
> Do any of you know a painter near Indianapolis who could paint the top 
> tube to match?  What do y'all think of the ideas above?  Do you have any 
> better options?  I'd appreciate the input.  Thanks.
>
> Dave
> Indianapolis, IN
>

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[RBW] Re: I need to repair or mask scratches in new black paint

[George Schick]

Joe - or just take it to a bike painter and get their opinion on whether 
the scratches can be removed by just being rubbed out (with whatever 
technique they'd use).  *And* then see if they'd do if if it sounds to 
risky for a DIY job.  A good painter *should* agree to that and for a 
modest price.


On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 at 3:59:12 PM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I think that's the ticket, get that Scratch-Off stuff at an auto parts 
> store that goes on like wax and wipes off. Or just find a bike painter to 
> do the toptube, gloss black shouldn't be too hard to match. 

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[RBW] Re: I need to repair or mask scratches in new black paint

[Joe Bernard]

I think that's the ticket, get that Scratch-Off stuff at an auto parts store 
that goes on like wax and wipes off. Or just find a bike painter to do the 
toptube, gloss black shouldn't be too hard to match. 

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[RBW] Re: I need to repair or mask scratches in new black paint

[George Schick]

Laing - instead of the W/D sandpaper how about rubbing or, better yet, 
polishing compound, applied with a rag and some water?  I've rubbed out 
scratches on automobiles with that stuff before and it works just fine. 
 You should be able to get it at an auto part store.


On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 at 3:38:15 PM UTC-6, lconley wrote:
>
> You could also try an auto or motorcycle detailer or a paint-less dent 
> remover professional if you don't want to do it yourself.
>
> You can always start with 3000 or 5000 grit or the highest grit you can 
> find to develop some experience and confidence. The higher the grit number, 
> the less paint it removes.
>
> Laing
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 at 3:56:10 PM UTC-5, Dave Small wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Laing.  Sad to say, it's a 58cm.  
>>
>> I thought about polishing but didn't want to make it worse (I've learned 
>> the hard way that I have a tendency to do that sometimes) if I had other 
>> options.  I hadn't thought about Youtube, and it's a good idea.  I'll look 
>> there.  
>>
>> Dave
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: I need to repair or mask scratches in new black paint

[lconley]

You could also try an auto or motorcycle detailer or a paint-less dent 
remover professional if you don't want to do it yourself.

You can always start with 3000 or 5000 grit or the highest grit you can 
find to develop some experience and confidence. The higher the grit number, 
the less paint it removes.

Laing


On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 at 3:56:10 PM UTC-5, Dave Small wrote:

> Thanks, Laing.  Sad to say, it's a 58cm.  
>
> I thought about polishing but didn't want to make it worse (I've learned 
> the hard way that I have a tendency to do that sometimes) if I had other 
> options.  I hadn't thought about Youtube, and it's a good idea.  I'll look 
> there.  
>
> Dave
>

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[RBW] Re: I need to repair or mask scratches in new black paint

['Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks, Laing.  Sad to say, it's a 58cm.  

I thought about polishing but didn't want to make it worse (I've learned 
the hard way that I have a tendency to do that sometimes) if I had other 
options.  I hadn't thought about Youtube, and it's a good idea.  I'll look 
there.  

Dave

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[RBW] Re: I need to repair or mask scratches in new black paint

[lconley]

Get some 1000 & 2000 grit wet/dry sand paper and start polishing, 1000 grit 
first, then 2000. It will take a while, but the sand paper is so fine that 
you won't be able to remove too much paint too fast. I imagine that that 
are some YouTube directions on this sort of thing. The scratches don't look 
like they have penetrated through the color coat, so you can probably make 
them virtually disappear. when you are done, use some rubbing compound, 
then a coat of wax.

Or if it's a 55, you could sell it to me, cheap.

Laing
Delray Beach FL



On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 at 3:18:01 PM UTC-5, Dave Small wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Two years ago I bought a new black Sam Hillborne frame from Rivendell. 
>  For reasons not relevant to this post, I couldn't do anything with it then 
> so kept it unopened in the box in my basement until this past weekend, when 
> I opened the box intending to take it to my mechanic to have it built up. 
>  Upon removing the frame from the box and tearing away the bubble wrap from 
> the top tube I discovered extensive scratches on the top of the top tube 
> midway between the seat and head tubes.  Cardboard had rubbed through the 
> bubble wrap surrounding the top tube and then rubbed against the frame as 
> the frame wobbled left to right during shipping, and this was the result.  
>
> The scratches are superficial but readily apparent at a glance, and are in 
> nearly the worst spot possible.  I'd like to fix or mask these somehow, or 
> else I'll see them every time I look down and be unhappy with the bike. 
>  The best solution would be to have the top tube (and only the top tube) 
> repainted, but I don't know a local frame painter (in Indianapolis) who I 
> could take it to for that, or if a painter could paint *only* the top 
> tube and have everything match.  I have three other ideas, but don't know 
> if I'd be happy with them once they're implemented:
>
> 1. Have a cream panel painted on the top tube to match the cream head tube 
> and the cream seat tube panel.
> 2. Wrap the scratched part of the TT with black or honey leather, which 
> would provide the additional benefit of giving me a contact spot to use to 
> lean the bike against a pole if I ever need to.  
> 3. Twine the scratched section, with shellac if there's no chance of the 
> shellac hurting the paint and without shellac if there is.  
>
> I'll always have a honey saddle on the bike, if that helps you picture 
> these options.  
>
> Do any of you know a painter near Indianapolis who could paint the top 
> tube to match?  What do y'all think of the ideas above?  Do you have any 
> better options?  I'd appreciate the input.  Thanks.
>
> Dave
> Indianapolis, IN
>

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