Re: [scifinoir2] We're Drawing Closer to a Will Smith/Zoe Saldana 'Harvey'

[Keith Johnson]

Agreed. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2009 8:11:11 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] We're Drawing Closer to a Will Smith/Zoe Saldana 
'Harvey' 






You are much more likely to see very graphic sex in a "thriller" or in a horror 
movie than love making in a movie with adults in a relationship. Why? I dunno. 
I think that it may have something to do with the people that are judging in 
the MPAA. There is a member of the clergy that is on their review staff so this 
could be a Freudian thing. 

TV is the same. Westerns are still considered TV 14 or G. Even though many of 
them always have gun violence. I think that the movie Crank was doing it for 
the "shock" value. Public sex is still shocking to a lot of people, but 
shooting someone in the head is passe. Even the autopsy is passe now. Flaying a 
body open and showing a CGI trip through the bullet wound into the body of the 
person has become a new standard. Even though it is completely grotesque. 


On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 7:34 AM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 






Amen, amen! All you hear is studios worried about demographics (hence, a 
forgettable run by Halle Berry as Storm, when everyone knows Angela Bassett 
would have nailed the role) instead of quality. And i have long been puzzled 
and irritated by the thing you mentioned, where sex and violence in appalling 
or appallingly impersonal measure gets approved -some scenes in "Crank" or the 
Eli Roth "torture porn" films come to mind. Yet intimate sexual scenes that 
might show some genetalia in a tasteful and even understanding manner get 
labeled NC-17. Even on Syfy early this morning (3 am) I saw the beginning of 
some ghost/slasher flick with Casper van Diem and perennial tough guy actor 
Michael Rooker. The bad guy impaled, slashed, and cut up three people in teh 
first five minutes. Blood splaying everywhere, body parts dropping. Yet it's on 
TV! In the theatres, that's an R and kids get in all the time. 
Yet let there be ten *seconds* of an intimate love scene between a married 
couple in a film, and the thing's verbote, advisories go out all over the 
place, and conservatives are decrying the fall of Western civilization. And now 
with "The Hangover", the teen-sex thing will be back, with copious and 
gratuitous nude scenes, and no one will care. 
Crazy... 



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To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 



Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2009 4:22:50 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] We're Drawing Closer to a Will Smith/Zoe Saldana 
'Harvey' 






I think that is where the studio's influences come into play when they are 
viewing the rushes. Some of the films that I have watched that have that part 
of their development documented on video often have changes made to the film 
that delete key parts of the movie that may have taken into a deeper direction. 

Another thing that bugs me is that the MPAA will often approve gore and sex 
scenes in movies if there isn't a happy ending with the characters, or an 
unhealthy relationship, but if there is a healthy sexual relationship that 
often ends up on the cutting room floor. 


On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 12:03 AM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 






It takes parents to start teaching their kids to appreciate quality. it takes 
friends to take friends to see something they'd not otherwise see. It takes 
couples doing something like taking one night a week, or one week a month, 
where they see something they'd not otherwise see, whether that's watching a 
silent flick on Turner Classics, an original version of something they've only 
seen in remakes (such as The Day the Earth Stood still), or brazing the 
theatres to see a foreign film with subtitles. 

What I find most interesting is that, while America churns out a lot of low 
brow crap that's too focused on CGI, sex, and violence lacking in cleverness 
(not like a John Woo flick) the creators of such aren't always really idiots. 
Sure, we have the hacks like Michael Bay, who I contend is just an awful 
director. But we have a lot of directors who are always talking about good 
film, who in interviews speak of the influence of the masters like Bergman, 
Kurosawa. in the animation world, for example, you'd be hard pressed to find a 
single person at Disney, Pixar, or Dreamworks who doesn't worship the work of 
Miyazaki. Even when they're putting out easy fare like Madagascar or Shrek 3, 
they still know quality when they see it. 

So, is the tail wagging the dog, or the other way 'round? 



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To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 



Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2009 1:35:51 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] We're Drawing Closer to a Will Smith/Zoe Saldana 
'Harvey' 






I agree,

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Looking forward to "District 9"

[Keith Johnson]

Well, this is a start. I agree that a scifi movie set in other parts of Africa 
would be awesome. Usually all we ever get is the Egyptian connection, such as 
in "Stargate"... 

- Original Message - 
From: "thebayindo"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2009 7:36:57 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Looking forward to "District 9" 






"District 9 is about the apartheid struggle in South Africa." Its funny some of 
the media says that the apartheid is insinuated...the director himself said the 
film is set during South African aparthied and that the aliens are stuck in the 
same neighborhood with the black folk. 

Hey, for me, I'm looking forward to a sci-fi movie from Africa 

Said 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson  wrote: 
> 
> I can see how some would think of "Alien Nation", "V", even "Independence 
> Day" (the shape of the ship), but that means nothing. Some concepts in scifi 
> are simply not new: the idea of aliens coming to Earth and then being 
> ghettoized isn't. But it's the treatment, the new way the story's told, the 
> committment to intelligent writing and acting, the unique spin of the 
> director and producer and actors, that makes all the difference. Peter 
> Jackson doesn't like to support crappy fare that's devoid of something for 
> the grey matter, so I'm more excited about this than I am, say, the American 
> remake of "V" that's being discussed. 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Martin Baxter"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2009 7:51:36 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] Looking forward to "District 9" 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Keith, I'm hyped for it as well. I've been avoiding any websites that hawk it 
> in anyway, primarily because of my aversion to critics. All but one person 
> I've spoken to regarding it are keen to see it as well. (That one refers to 
> it as an " 'Alien Nation' ripoff".) 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Subject : [scifinoir2] Looking forward to "District 9" 
> Date : Sat, 8 Aug 2009 06:55:00 + (UTC) 
> From : Keith Johnson  
> To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> 
> The "District 9" flick has me really intrigued. with its locale of South 
> Africa (so different from usual Hollywood story locatons), it's gritty look, 
> and the fact that it's a Peter Jackson joint, i have high hopes. Indeed, I'm 
> actually looking forward to it more than I have any other movie so far this 
> year, including Star Trek. Anyone heard any early buzz? I did find favorable 
> reviews via jumping from Rotten Tomatoes (something I loathe to do, but as 
> local newspapers fire more critics, I'm having to venture further afield to 
> even find real critics). 
> 
> http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/district_9/ 
> 
> *** 
> http://boxoffice.com/reviews/2009/07/district-9.php 
> 
> 
> 
> District 9 is about the apartheid struggle in South Africa. For those under 
> the age of 35 or so, apartheid was the system of racial segregation legally 
> established by the government of South Africa between 1948 and 1994. No 
> matter what else it seems to be about, District 9 , a film made a young, 
> white, South African director, is about apartheid. Co-writer/director Neill 
> Blomkamp spent his formative years living under the system of apartheid and 
> has conscientiously insinuated the issue into his film. The attitudes, ideals 
> and actions of the characters, from everyday citizens to government officials 
> and those in business, reflect those that were common during the apartheid 
> regime. The filmmakers, including producer Peter Jackson, have stealthily 
> laid the artifacts of these dark days beneath the guise of an Alien invasion 
> movie that is intense, graphically novelistic (though it’s an original 
> story) and just funny enough to keep you thoroughly entertained, even while 
> the s! ubtext is of a very serious nature. Buzz and an also clever marketing 
> scheme suggest this should be worth a few bucks at the box 
> officeâ€"especially if the audience is mostly under 35. 
> 
> The film is told using a number of cinematic modes including documentary 
> footage, mockumentary footage, newsreel accounts, surveillance cameras and 
> the standard story elements of narrative fiction. This is actually less 
> chaotic than it sounds and serves to move the narrative along at a brisk 
> pace. There’s little need here for filler. The filmmakers can justify any 
> narrative exposition by putting a camera on the action (any potential camera) 
> and just showing us, or having the characters explain the action to the 
> cameramen. When all else fails Blomkamp inserts a movie moment and presses 
> on. Lovely. Mister Blomkamp is a fine director who cut his teeth on 
> commercials and music videos, and at the knee of director and special e

Re: [scifinoir2] GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS

[Mr. Worf]

Yea it should have been called "Star Trek: Enterprise and the adventures of
the place that they hang out at..." I enjoyed some of the back stories of
the different races. That was a plus. I would love to see more.

On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 8:29 PM, Wlrouge  wrote:

> I agree, but to me DS9 was a good show. However the only problem with
> Star Trek shows is that in the first season and perhaps the second one
> they seem to make reference to USS Enterprise way too much. Which to
> me seems to set the show up to failure.
> --Lavender
>
> Autobots, transform!!!
>
>
> On Aug 8, 2009, at 7:22, "Martin Baxter" 
> wrote:
>
> > On that, I have to disagree, Mr Worf. For me, the last two seasons
> > of DSNine were some of the best TV I've ever watched.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> >
> > Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
> >
> > Date : Fri, 7 Aug 2009 16:32:13 -0700
> >
> > From : "Mr. Worf" 
> >
> > To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> > I think DS9 ran out of steam about a year before it ended. The
> > writing was
> > starting to slack off a bit.
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:13 PM, George Arterberry <
> > brotherfromhow...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Cleoptara 2525
> >>
> >> --- On *Fri, 8/7/09, Bosco Bosco * wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Bosco Bosco
> >> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
> >> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> >> Date: Friday, August 7, 2009, 12:04 PM
> >>
> >> Jim Baker and Tammy Faye Bakers 80's show, The PTL Club.
> >> Jim J and Tammy Faye Baker's 90's day time show, The Jim J and
> >> Tammy Faye
> >> Show.
> >>
> >> Actually anything with Tammy Faye Baker. You may disagree that this
> >> is
> >> science fiction. If so, you just aren't perceiving reality correctly.
> >>
> >> Bosco
> >>
> >> --- On *Thu, 8/6/09, Michelle Lauren *wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Michelle Lauren
> >> Subject: [scifinoir2] GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
> >> To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> >> Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 2:32 PM
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Someone in this group recommended Joss Whedon's FIREFLY to me a few
> >> months
> >> ago. Once I saw the episodes on Hulu (listed in their intended
> >> order as
> >> opposed to how Fox patchworked them together during the original
> >> viewing
> >> season), I got hooked. The characters, the dialogue, the world (an
> >> interesting mix of Asian and Western culture thrown into a futuristic
> >> setting) – everything was wonderful. My DVD set of the series just
> >>  arrived
> >> today and I can't wait to watch it again. Fox made a serious mistake
> >> canceling this show. If someone hadn't recommended it on this loop,
> >> I might
> >> never have bothered looking it upon because the plot seemed weird
> >> to me at
> >> first. Plus, I'm a fan of any show that features the gorgeous and
> >> uber-talented actress Gina Torres.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> What are some other great scifi shows that got canceled too early?
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
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> >
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Re: [scifinoir2] GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS

[Wlrouge]

I agree, but to me DS9 was a good show. However the only problem with  
Star Trek shows is that in the first season and perhaps the second one  
they seem to make reference to USS Enterprise way too much. Which to  
me seems to set the show up to failure.
--Lavender

Autobots, transform!!!


On Aug 8, 2009, at 7:22, "Martin Baxter"   
wrote:

> On that, I have to disagree, Mr Worf. For me, the last two seasons  
> of DSNine were some of the best TV I've ever watched.
>
>
>
>
>
> -[ Received Mail Content ]--
>
> Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
>
> Date : Fri, 7 Aug 2009 16:32:13 -0700
>
> From : "Mr. Worf" 
>
> To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>
>
> I think DS9 ran out of steam about a year before it ended. The  
> writing was
> starting to slack off a bit.
>
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:13 PM, George Arterberry <
> brotherfromhow...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Cleoptara 2525
>>
>> --- On *Fri, 8/7/09, Bosco Bosco * wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Bosco Bosco
>> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
>> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>> Date: Friday, August 7, 2009, 12:04 PM
>>
>> Jim Baker and Tammy Faye Bakers 80's show, The PTL Club.
>> Jim J and Tammy Faye Baker's 90's day time show, The Jim J and  
>> Tammy Faye
>> Show.
>>
>> Actually anything with Tammy Faye Baker. You may disagree that this  
>> is
>> science fiction. If so, you just aren't perceiving reality correctly.
>>
>> Bosco
>>
>> --- On *Thu, 8/6/09, Michelle Lauren *wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Michelle Lauren
>> Subject: [scifinoir2] GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
>> To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
>> Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 2:32 PM
>>
>>
>>
>> Someone in this group recommended Joss Whedon's FIREFLY to me a few  
>> months
>> ago. Once I saw the episodes on Hulu (listed in their intended  
>> order as
>> opposed to how Fox patchworked them together during the original  
>> viewing
>> season), I got hooked. The characters, the dialogue, the world (an
>> interesting mix of Asian and Western culture thrown into a futuristic
>> setting) – everything was wonderful. My DVD set of the series just 
>>  arrived
>> today and I can't wait to watch it again. Fox made a serious mistake
>> canceling this show. If someone hadn't recommended it on this loop,  
>> I might
>> never have bothered looking it upon because the plot seemed weird  
>> to me at
>> first. Plus, I'm a fan of any show that features the gorgeous and
>> uber-talented actress Gina Torres.
>>
>>
>>
>> What are some other great scifi shows that got canceled too early?
>>
>>
>>
>> Michelle Lauren ~ Join my Yahoo Group thru 8/31 for a chance to win  
>> a $10
>> Amazon Gift Card.
>> **
>>
>> www.MichelleLaurenB ooks.com  ~
>> Multicultural Romance that defies boundaries
>>
>>
>>
>> Celestial Lovers: Starstruck Hunter ~ AVAILABLE @ Amazon|
>> Fictionwise| Liquid
>> Silver Books
>>
>> Temptation Eve ~ Cobblestone Press ~ Coming 9/2009
>> How to Tame a Harpy ~ *Romantic Times* American Title V Finalist
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS

[Wlrouge]

I think so too. I heard rumors that Whoppi was suppose to play in a  
couple of shows as well. I could never understand why this show could  
not have been shown on what was sci-fi. I mean a true science fiction  
show with some what a budget would not hurt.


Autobots, transform!!!


On Aug 7, 2009, at 8:31, Augustus Augustus   
wrote:





actually i really liked 'Enterprise' (especially when it hit it  
stride in the 3rd and 4th seasons).  the 3rd season - the Xindi deal  
was great, and then the 4th and final season - the alternate  
universe when the Terrain Empire - that would give rise 2 the  
alternate Kirk and Uhura (the mid-driff sexy Uhura).  i think it  
could have ran a few more seasons if they (the studio) had not  
pulled it.


--- On Fri, 8/7/09, Mr. Worf  wrote:

From: Mr. Worf 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, August 7, 2009, 2:30 AM

I remember hearing talk about a Space: Above and beyond movie for a  
while but that died a quiet death. I kind of liked that show  
although it was similar to Starship Troopers. (another movie that  
has been ruined.)



On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 5:43 PM, B. Smith   
wrote:

Space: Above and Beyond
Now and Again
Hypernauts
Surface

--- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, "Martin Baxter"  
 wrote:

>
> Since we've been forced to acknowledge Cleopatra 2525, can we  
counter-balance that with its counter-piece, "Jack of All Trades"?

>
> And, as I have invoked The One True Bruce, allow me to toss in  
"The Adventures of Brisco County Jr."

>
>
>
>
>
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>
 Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
>
 Date : Thu, 6 Aug 2009 18:36:08 -0400
>
 From : Daryle Lockhart 
>
 To : "scifino...@yahoogro ups.com" 
>
 Cc : "scifino...@yahoogro ups.com" 
>
>
You...do realize you're co-signing Cleopatra2525, right?
>
> I never thought I'd type this, but if you haven't seen the
> 3rd season of "enterprise", do.
>
> The rest of my list is Farscape, Odyssey 5, and G v. E.
>
> On Aug 6, 2009, at 3:32 PM, "Michelle Lauren"
>  > wrote:
>
> > Someone in this group recommended Joss Whedon's FIREFLY to me a  
few

> > months ago. Once I saw the episodes on Hulu (listed in their
> > intended order as opposed to how Fox patchworked them together
> > during the original viewing season), I got hooked. The characters,
> > the dialogue, the world (an interesting mix of Asian and Western
> > culture thrown into a futuristic setting) â€" everything was  
wonderful
> > . My DVD set of the series just arrived today and I can't wait  
to wa
> > tch it again. Fox made a serious mistake canceling this show. If  
som
> > eone hadn't recommended it on this loop, I might never have  
bothered
> > looking it upon because the plot seemed weird to me at first.  
Plus,

> > I'm a fan of any show that features the gorgeous and uber-talented
> > actress Gina Torres.
> >
> >
> >
> > What are some other great scifi shows that got canceled too early?
> >
> >
> >
> > Michelle Lauren ~ Join my Yahoo Group thru 8/31 for a chance to  
win

> > a $10 Amazon Gift Card.**
> >
> > www.MichelleLaurenB ooks.com ~ Multicultural Romance that defies
> > boundaries
> >
> >
> >
> > Celestial Lovers: Starstruck Hunter ~ AVAILABLE @ Amazon |
> > Fictionwise | Liquid Silver Books
> >
> > Temptation Eve ~ Cobblestone Press ~ Coming 9/2009
> > How to Tame a Harpy ~ Romantic Times American Title V Finalist
> >
> >
>
>
>
> http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds
>




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Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Ironman and Wolverine animae?

[Mr. Worf]

I think the look of the animae Wolverine looks more like Gambit than
Wolverine.

On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 5:14 AM, Martin Baxter wrote:

> I'd prefer Iron Man, only because I'm a Shellhead fan more than I am of the
> Canuck.
>
>
>
>
>
> -[ Received Mail Content ]--
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>  Subject : [scifinoir2] Ironman and Wolverine animae?
>
>  Date : Fri, 7 Aug 2009 19:21:18 -0700
>
>  From : "Mr. Worf" 
>
>  To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>
>
> It says that it is coming from Marvel...
> http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1810097859/video/14827973
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Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Topic: Doctor Who

[Mr. Worf]

I have been wondering about the history of Dr.Who. I remember hearing that
he was half human before, but his physiology is slightly different. Do you
think that they will ever tell his whole story or just continue to stretch
it out for another 30 years?

On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Martin Baxter wrote:

> Mr Worf,
>
> To the best of my knowledge, the only American influence on the series was
> that one Fox movie back when with Paul McGann. Interestingly, for quite some
> time after that, the Beeb refused to acknowledge the existence of that
> movie. On the official DW page on the Beeb's site, McGann wasn't even named.
> Some fans will still become irate at the mention of him. The ebst
> explanation out these is that the Fox movie had McGann's Doctor telling one
> of his companions, "I'm half-human."
>
>
>
>
>
> -[ Received Mail Content ]--
>
>  Subject : [scifinoir2] Topic: Doctor Who
>
>  Date : Fri, 7 Aug 2009 16:42:47 -0700
>
>  From : "Mr. Worf" 
>
>  To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>
>
> I am not a super Dr. Who fan but someone asked if there was a US version of
> the show. I haven't found any info on that yet. There were some that were
> financed by the Canadian Broadcasting Company in the late 70s. They also
> re-aired the show for a LONG time.
>
> I found some interesting info about the show here:
> wiki page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_who
>
> There was also a tidbit about the BBC systematically erasing shows to
> recycle tape! G!!! Crazy
>
>
>
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Re: [scifinoir2] The mo better dystopian prophet: Orwell or Huxley?

[Mr. Worf]

I think that they were both right. Orwell was right in the beginning (Nazis,
Russians, China,North Korea, Argentina etc.) but after the 1950s in this
country the game plan changed. Now we are more on the Huxley path. The real
danger is what happens when we can no longer sustain the rampant
consumerism, and mind numbing entertainment?

On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 1:12 PM, ravenadal  wrote:

> Wow.  After reading this, I changed my vote!
>
> ~rave!
>
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Re: [scifinoir2] GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS

[Mr. Worf]

I would agree to Babylon 5 but not DS9. They were dragging the war out. The
only thing that I did enjoy was the development of Odo's character.

On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 5:22 AM, Martin Baxter wrote:

> On that, I have to disagree, Mr Worf. For me, the last two seasons of
> DSNine were some of the best TV I've ever watched.
>
>
>
>
>
> -[ Received Mail Content ]--
>
>  Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
>
>  Date : Fri, 7 Aug 2009 16:32:13 -0700
>
>  From : "Mr. Worf" 
>
>  To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>
>
> I think DS9 ran out of steam about a year before it ended. The writing was
> starting to slack off a bit.
>
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:13 PM, George Arterberry <
> brotherfromhow...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Cleoptara 2525
> >
> > --- On *Fri, 8/7/09, Bosco Bosco * wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Bosco Bosco
> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Friday, August 7, 2009, 12:04 PM
> >
> > Jim Baker and Tammy Faye Bakers 80's show, The PTL Club.
> > Jim J and Tammy Faye Baker's 90's day time show, The Jim J and Tammy Faye
> > Show.
> >
> > Actually anything with Tammy Faye Baker. You may disagree that this is
> > science fiction. If so, you just aren't perceiving reality correctly.
> >
> > Bosco
> >
> > --- On *Thu, 8/6/09, Michelle Lauren *wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Michelle Lauren
> > Subject: [scifinoir2] GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
> > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> > Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 2:32 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > Someone in this group recommended Joss Whedon's FIREFLY to me a few
> months
> > ago. Once I saw the episodes on Hulu (listed in their intended order as
> > opposed to how Fox patchworked them together during the original viewing
> > season), I got hooked. The characters, the dialogue, the world (an
> > interesting mix of Asian and Western culture thrown into a futuristic
> > setting) – everything was wonderful. My DVD set of the series just
> arrived
> > today and I can't wait to watch it again. Fox made a serious mistake
> > canceling this show. If someone hadn't recommended it on this loop, I
> might
> > never have bothered looking it upon because the plot seemed weird to me
> at
> > first. Plus, I'm a fan of any show that features the gorgeous and
> > uber-talented actress Gina Torres.
> >
> >
> >
> > What are some other great scifi shows that got canceled too early?
> >
> >
> >
> > Michelle Lauren ~ Join my Yahoo Group thru 8/31 for a chance to win a $10
> > Amazon Gift Card.
> > **
> >
> > www.MichelleLaurenB ooks.com  ~
> > Multicultural Romance that defies boundaries
> >
> >
> >
> > Celestial Lovers: Starstruck Hunter ~ AVAILABLE @ Amazon|
> > Fictionwise| Liquid
> > Silver Books
> >
> > Temptation Eve ~ Cobblestone Press ~ Coming 9/2009
> > How to Tame a Harpy ~ *Romantic Times* American Title V Finalist
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [scifinoir2] We're Drawing Closer to a Will Smith/Zoe Saldana 'Harvey'

[Mr. Worf]

You are much more likely to see very graphic sex in a "thriller" or in a
horror movie than love making in a movie with adults in a relationship. Why?
I dunno. I think that it may have something to do with the people that are
judging in the MPAA. There is a member of the clergy that is on their review
staff so this could be a Freudian thing.

TV is the same. Westerns are still considered TV 14 or G. Even though many
of them always have gun violence. I think that the movie Crank was doing it
for the "shock" value. Public sex is still shocking to a lot of people, but
shooting someone in the head is passe. Even the autopsy is passe now.
Flaying a body open and showing a CGI trip through the bullet wound into the
body of the person has become a new standard. Even though it is completely
grotesque.

On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 7:34 AM, Keith Johnson wrote:

>
>
> Amen, amen! All you hear is studios worried about demographics (hence, a
> forgettable run by Halle Berry as Storm, when everyone knows Angela Bassett
> would have nailed the role) instead of quality. And i have long been puzzled
> and irritated by the thing you mentioned, where sex and violence in
> appalling or appallingly impersonal measure gets approved -some scenes in
> "Crank" or the Eli Roth "torture porn" films come to mind.  Yet intimate
> sexual scenes that might show some genetalia in a tasteful and even
> understanding manner get labeled NC-17. Even on Syfy early this morning (3
> am) I saw the beginning of some ghost/slasher flick with Casper van Diem and
> perennial tough guy actor Michael Rooker. The bad guy impaled, slashed, and
> cut up three people in teh first five minutes. Blood splaying everywhere,
> body parts dropping. Yet it's on TV! In the theatres, that's an R and kids
> get in all the time.
> Yet let there be ten *seconds* of an intimate love scene between a married
> couple in a film, and the thing's verbote, advisories go out all over the
> place, and conservatives are decrying the fall of Western civilization.  And
> now with "The Hangover", the teen-sex thing will be back, with copious and
> gratuitous nude scenes, and no one will care.
> Crazy...
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mr. Worf" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2009 4:22:50 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] We're Drawing Closer to a Will Smith/Zoe Saldana
>  'Harvey'
>
>
>
> I think that is where the studio's influences come into play when they are
> viewing the rushes. Some of the films that I have watched that have that
> part of their development documented on video often have changes made to the
> film that delete key parts of the movie that may have taken into a deeper
> direction.
>
> Another thing that bugs me is that the MPAA will often approve gore and sex
> scenes in movies if there isn't a happy ending with the characters, or an
> unhealthy relationship,  but if there is a healthy sexual relationship that
> often ends up on the cutting room floor.
>
> On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 12:03 AM, Keith Johnson 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> It takes parents to start teaching their kids to appreciate quality. it
>> takes friends to take friends to see something they'd not otherwise see. It
>> takes couples doing something like taking one night a week, or one week a
>> month, where they see something they'd not otherwise see, whether that's
>> watching a silent flick on Turner Classics, an original version of something
>> they've only seen in remakes (such as The Day the Earth Stood still), or
>> brazing the theatres to see a foreign film with subtitles.
>>
>> What I find most interesting is that, while America churns out a lot of
>> low brow crap that's too focused on CGI, sex, and violence lacking in
>> cleverness (not like a John Woo flick) the creators of such aren't always
>> really idiots. Sure, we have the hacks like Michael Bay, who I contend is
>> just an awful director. But we have a lot of directors who are always
>> talking about good film, who in interviews speak of the influence of the
>> masters like Bergman, Kurosawa. in the animation world, for example, you'd
>> be hard pressed to find a single person at Disney, Pixar, or Dreamworks who
>> doesn't worship the work of Miyazaki. Even when they're putting out easy
>> fare like Madagascar or Shrek 3, they still know quality when they see it.
>>
>> So, is the tail wagging the dog, or the other way 'round?
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Mr. Worf" 
>> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2009 1:35:51 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] We're Drawing Closer to a Will Smith/Zoe Saldana
>>  'Harvey'
>>
>>
>>
>> I agree, but I think that it may take a re-education on a national level.
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Keith Johnson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Actually there are a lot of good films out there that could teach people
>>> to appreciate plotting. The only problem is they don't get t

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Black Dynamite!

[Mr. Worf]

I love this movie clip. I am anxiously awaiting to see it. Did anyone check
out the extras on the webpage?

On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Martin Baxter wrote:

> You DAY-um right!
>
>
>
>
>
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>  Subject : [scifinoir2] Black Dynamite!
>
>  Date : Sat, 08 Aug 2009 20:01:15 -
>
>  From : "ravenadal" 
>
>  To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>
>
> http://www.blackdynamitemovie.com/
>
> BLACK DYNAMITE
> 2009, Scott Sanders, USA, 90 min.
> With Michael Jai White, Kym Whitley
>
> "Raucous…a vastly entertaining film."—Rob Nelson, Variety
>
> A runaway hit at the Sundance Film Festival, BLACK DYNAMITE mines the best
> and the worst of the blaxploitation era for a rollicking kick-ass parody of
> classics including THREE THE HARD WAY, DOLEMITE, and SUPERFLY, with a
> heaping helping of Bruce Lee thrown in for good measure. With a 44-Magnum,
> nunchucks, and fists at the ready, babe-magnet Black Dynamite (Jai White), a
> former CIA agent, ruthlessly works both sides of the law when "The Man"
> murders his brother, floods orphanages with heroin, and pours tainted malt
> liquor into the `hood. 35mm. (BS)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds




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Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Looking forward to "District 9"

[thebayindo]

"District 9 is about the apartheid struggle in South Africa." Its funny some of 
the media says that the apartheid is insinuated...the director himself said the 
film is set during South African aparthied and that the aliens are stuck in the 
same neighborhood with the black folk. 

Hey, for me, I'm looking forward to a sci-fi movie from Africa 

Said

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
>
> I can see how some would think of "Alien Nation", "V", even "Independence 
> Day" (the shape of the ship), but that means nothing. Some concepts in scifi 
> are simply not new: the idea of aliens coming to Earth and then being 
> ghettoized isn't. But it's the treatment, the new way the story's told, the 
> committment to intelligent writing and acting, the unique spin of the 
> director and producer and actors, that makes all the difference. Peter 
> Jackson doesn't like to support crappy fare that's devoid of something for 
> the grey matter, so I'm more excited about this than I am, say, the American 
> remake of "V" that's being discussed. 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Martin Baxter"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2009 7:51:36 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] Looking forward to "District 9" 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   Keith, I'm hyped for it as well. I've been avoiding any websites that 
> hawk it in anyway, primarily because of my aversion to critics. All but one 
> person I've spoken to regarding it are keen to see it as well. (That one 
> refers to it as an " 'Alien Nation' ripoff".) 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -[ Received Mail Content ]-- 
> Subject : [scifinoir2] Looking forward to "District 9" 
> Date : Sat, 8 Aug 2009 06:55:00 + (UTC) 
> From : Keith Johnson  
> To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> 
> The "District 9" flick has me really intrigued. with its locale of South 
> Africa (so different from usual Hollywood story locatons), it's gritty look, 
> and the fact that it's a Peter Jackson joint, i have high hopes. Indeed, I'm 
> actually looking forward to it more than I have any other movie so far this 
> year, including Star Trek. Anyone heard any early buzz? I did find favorable 
> reviews via jumping from Rotten Tomatoes (something I loathe to do, but as 
> local newspapers fire more critics, I'm having to venture further afield to 
> even find real critics). 
> 
> http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/district_9/ 
> 
> *** 
> http://boxoffice.com/reviews/2009/07/district-9.php 
> 
> 
> 
> District 9 is about the apartheid struggle in South Africa. For those under 
> the age of 35 or so, apartheid was the system of racial segregation legally 
> established by the government of South Africa between 1948 and 1994. No 
> matter what else it seems to be about, District 9 , a film made a young, 
> white, South African director, is about apartheid. Co-writer/director Neill 
> Blomkamp spent his formative years living under the system of apartheid and 
> has conscientiously insinuated the issue into his film. The attitudes, ideals 
> and actions of the characters, from everyday citizens to government officials 
> and those in business, reflect those that were common during the apartheid 
> regime. The filmmakers, including producer Peter Jackson, have stealthily 
> laid the artifacts of these dark days beneath the guise of an Alien invasion 
> movie that is intense, graphically novelistic (though it’s an original 
> story) and just funny enough to keep you thoroughly entertained, even while 
> the s! ubtext is of a very serious nature. Buzz and an also clever marketing 
> scheme suggest this should be worth a few bucks at the box 
> officeâ€"especially if the audience is mostly under 35. 
> 
> The film is told using a number of cinematic modes including documentary 
> footage, mockumentary footage, newsreel accounts, surveillance cameras and 
> the standard story elements of narrative fiction. This is actually less 
> chaotic than it sounds and serves to move the narrative along at a brisk 
> pace. There’s little need here for filler. The filmmakers can justify any 
> narrative exposition by putting a camera on the action (any potential camera) 
> and just showing us, or having the characters explain the action to the 
> cameramen. When all else fails Blomkamp inserts a movie moment and presses 
> on. Lovely. Mister Blomkamp is a fine director who cut his teeth on 
> commercials and music videos, and at the knee of director and special effects 
> guru Peter Jackson. Between the two of them (Jackson’s company was employed 
> for the effects) they’ve come up with the best CGI effects film to date. 
> The spacecrafts, the cityscapes, the weapons effects and the aliens 
> themselves (which we are! told are 100 percent CGI) are all exceptional. But 
> the best thing in the movie is lead actor Sharlto Copley, a long time friend 
> 

Re: [scifinoir2] Movie Review: The Rise of Cobra 100% SPOILER FREE

[Jeff Carter]

I would like to add my strong endorsement of this movie.  As a fan of both
the comic books and the cartoon I was not disappointed and thoroughly
entertained.

Jeff

On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 6:29 PM, votomguy  wrote:

>
>
> Hey guys,
> As you know, Rise of Cobra was released yesterday here in the US. I just
> got in from seeing it today. All I have to say is WOW. The movie was very
> well done. For the most part, it stayed true to the comic book series. It
> did have it's campy moments, but they were few and far between while
> remaining enjoyable at the same time. There were some twists on a few action
> movie cliches. One bright spot, you didn't have to wait for the action. G.I.
> Joe shows up pretty early in the movie and brings tonnes of action with
> them. While I didn't and still don't like the international Special Forces
> thing, I have to say that it really works. Best of all, for fans of G.I.Joe
> there were plenty of easter eggs throughout the movie. They really don't
> contribute to the plot, but your heart skips a beat everytime you see one.
> It's really kid friendly without being overtly so. There's almost no
> profanity, although the characters do say sugar honey iced tea a few times
> but that's about it. ALL of the characters were executed very well. There
> weren't any that felt like an after thought or filler characters. All in all
> it was a really good movie. Definitely see it if you can. I've been waiting
> for a GIJoe live action movie since I was 12. (I'm 31 now) Out of what I'd
> really want to see in a live action GIJoe flick I'd say that I got about 85%
> of what I really wanted. Please if you've seen the movie don't talk about it
> in this thread. I just wanted to endorse the movie for all of those who had
> doubts about it. I hope this helps.
>
>  
>

[scifinoir2] Movie Review: The Rise of Cobra 100% SPOILER FREE

[votomguy]

Hey guys,
As you know, Rise of Cobra was released yesterday here in the US. I just 
got in from seeing it today. All I have to say is WOW. The movie was very well 
done. For the most part, it stayed true to the comic book series. It did have 
it's campy moments, but they were few and far between while remaining enjoyable 
at the same time. There were some twists on a few action movie cliches. One 
bright spot, you didn't have to wait for the action. G.I. Joe shows up pretty 
early in the movie and brings tonnes of action with them. While I didn't and 
still don't like the international Special Forces thing, I have to say that it 
really works. Best of all, for fans of G.I.Joe there were plenty of easter eggs 
throughout the movie. They really don't contribute to the plot, but your heart 
skips a beat everytime you see one. It's really kid friendly without being 
overtly so. There's almost no profanity, although the characters do say sugar 
honey iced tea a few times but that's about it. ALL of the characters were 
executed very well. There weren't any that felt like an after thought or filler 
characters. All in all it was a really good movie. Definitely see it if you 
can. I've been waiting for a GIJoe live action movie since I was 12. (I'm 31 
now) Out of what I'd really want to see in a live action GIJoe flick I'd say 
that I got about 85% of what I really wanted. Please if you've seen the movie 
don't talk about it in this thread. I just wanted to endorse the movie for all 
of those who had doubts about it. I hope this helps. 

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Black Dynamite!

[Martin Baxter]

I'm only talkin' 'bout Black Dynamite! ;-D





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 From : "ravenadal" 

 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


Are you trying to say he's a bad mother("shut your mouth!")?

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Baxter"  wrote:
>
> You DAY-um right!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
 From : "ravenadal" 
> 
 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> 
> 
http://www.blackdynamitemovie.com/
> 
> BLACK DYNAMITE
> 2009, Scott Sanders, USA, 90 min.
> With Michael Jai White, Kym Whitley
> 
> "Raucous…a vastly entertaining film."—Rob Nelson, Variety
> 
> A runaway hit at the Sundance Film Festival, BLACK DYNAMITE mines the best 
> and the worst of the blaxploitation era for a rollicking kick-ass parody of 
> classics including THREE THE HARD WAY, DOLEMITE, and SUPERFLY, with a heaping 
> helping of Bruce Lee thrown in for good measure. With a 44-Magnum, nunchucks, 
> and fists at the ready, babe-magnet Black Dynamite (Jai White), a former CIA 
> agent, ruthlessly works both sides of the law when "The Man" murders his 
> brother, floods orphanages with heroin, and pours tainted malt liquor into 
> the `hood. 35mm. (BS)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
>





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds

[RE][scifinoir2] The mo better dystopian prophet: Orwell or Huxley?

[Martin Baxter]

That put a couple of new wrinkles in my brain...





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 Date : Sat, 08 Aug 2009 20:12:17 -

 From : "ravenadal" 

 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


Wow. After reading this, I changed my vote!

~rave!

http://fatpita.net/?i=1952







http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Black Dynamite!

[ravenadal]

Are you trying to say he's a bad mother("shut your mouth!")?

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Baxter"  wrote:
>
> You DAY-um right!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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> 
 Date : Sat, 08 Aug 2009 20:01:15 -
> 
 From : "ravenadal" 
> 
 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> 
> 
http://www.blackdynamitemovie.com/
> 
> BLACK DYNAMITE
> 2009, Scott Sanders, USA, 90 min.
> With Michael Jai White, Kym Whitley
> 
> "Raucous…a vastly entertaining film."—Rob Nelson, Variety
> 
> A runaway hit at the Sundance Film Festival, BLACK DYNAMITE mines the best 
> and the worst of the blaxploitation era for a rollicking kick-ass parody of 
> classics including THREE THE HARD WAY, DOLEMITE, and SUPERFLY, with a heaping 
> helping of Bruce Lee thrown in for good measure. With a 44-Magnum, nunchucks, 
> and fists at the ready, babe-magnet Black Dynamite (Jai White), a former CIA 
> agent, ruthlessly works both sides of the law when "The Man" murders his 
> brother, floods orphanages with heroin, and pours tainted malt liquor into 
> the `hood. 35mm. (BS)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
>

[scifinoir2] The mo better dystopian prophet: Orwell or Huxley?

[ravenadal]

Wow.  After reading this, I changed my vote!

~rave!

http://fatpita.net/?i=1952

[RE][scifinoir2] Black Dynamite!

[Martin Baxter]

You DAY-um right!





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 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


http://www.blackdynamitemovie.com/

BLACK DYNAMITE
2009, Scott Sanders, USA, 90 min.
With Michael Jai White, Kym Whitley

"Raucous…a vastly entertaining film."—Rob Nelson, Variety

A runaway hit at the Sundance Film Festival, BLACK DYNAMITE mines the best and 
the worst of the blaxploitation era for a rollicking kick-ass parody of 
classics including THREE THE HARD WAY, DOLEMITE, and SUPERFLY, with a heaping 
helping of Bruce Lee thrown in for good measure. With a 44-Magnum, nunchucks, 
and fists at the ready, babe-magnet Black Dynamite (Jai White), a former CIA 
agent, ruthlessly works both sides of the law when "The Man" murders his 
brother, floods orphanages with heroin, and pours tainted malt liquor into the 
`hood. 35mm. (BS)






http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds

[scifinoir2] Black Harvest International Film Festival

[ravenadal]

http://www.siskelfilmcenter.org/

15th Annual Black Harvest International Festival of Film and Video

The Gene Siskel Film Center welcomes you to the 15th anniversary edition of the 
Black Harvest International Festival of Film and Video, from August 7 though 
September 3. Talent shines brightly through all four weeks of this unique 
celebration of the black experience on film. We put the spotlight on our own 
Chicago filmmakers as we continue to highlight adventurous new work from around 
the nation and around the world.

[scifinoir2] Black Dynamite!

[ravenadal]

http://www.blackdynamitemovie.com/

BLACK DYNAMITE
2009, Scott Sanders, USA, 90 min.
With Michael Jai White, Kym Whitley

"Raucous…a vastly entertaining film."—Rob Nelson, Variety

A runaway hit at the Sundance Film Festival, BLACK DYNAMITE mines the best and 
the worst of the blaxploitation era for a rollicking kick-ass parody of 
classics including THREE THE HARD WAY, DOLEMITE, and SUPERFLY, with a heaping 
helping of Bruce Lee thrown in for good measure. With a 44-Magnum, nunchucks, 
and fists at the ready, babe-magnet Black Dynamite (Jai White), a former CIA 
agent, ruthlessly works both sides of the law when "The Man" murders his 
brother, floods orphanages with heroin, and pours tainted malt liquor into the 
`hood. 35mm. (BS)

Re: [scifinoir2] Get to know G.I. Joe

[Martin Baxter]

I have seen the original versions of Gatchaman and Starblazers, thanks to some 
long-gone anime-stockpile website. It went kaput as I was halfway through my 
second viewing of Coyote Ragtime Show. Never could get into the Speed Racer 
block, because the server handling that one alone was always jammed t the 
walls. Says something about the quality of the show, doesn't it?





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 From : Keith Johnson 

 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


I've never seen the original Gatchaman, but along with the original versions of 
"Starblazers" and "Speed Racer", that's not unusual for an American viewer... 

- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Baxter"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2009 8:05:56 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Get to know G.I. Joe 






Keith, the guy who posted the link there is *very* new to anime (he'd 
just taken in "Akira" for the first time earlier this year), and only knew it 
as "G-Force". One of my godchildren, born and raised in England, went to Japan 
when his parents were posted there, and had his world rocked when he first saw 
"Gatchaman" as Deity intended. 






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Date : Sat, 8 Aug 2009 06:28:34 + (UTC) 
>From : Keith Johnson  
To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 

Yeah, and for the record, I know that "G-Force" is the Americanized name of the 
Gatchaman team, based on the Americanized, watered-down "Battle of the 
Planets", which differs in major ways from the original Japanese anime. For 
example, Seven-Zark-Seven was created for the Americanized version in order to 
pad out the length, after all the objectionable, more adult Japanese stuff was 
cut. And I think even aspects of Keeops (sp?) were changed as well. 
The comic that was released in the last couple of years was pretty good... 

- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Baxter" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 9:18:09 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Get to know G.I. Joe 






Keith, you're *not* alone there. In another of my forums, a fellow anime fan 
posted a link to what he thought was a trailer for the new "G-Force" movie, 
apparently without looking at the trailer. I was the first in the group to 
watch it, and seeing talking hamsters was a shock to the system. (For the 
record, there *is* an anime Gatchaman movie rolling out soon. There are some 
cool pics previewed at io9, but the site appears to be on vacation, so I can't 
link to them. 






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Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Get to know G.I. Joe 
Date : Fri, 7 Aug 2009 04:39:41 + (UTC) 
>From : Keith Johnson 
To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 

So that means i'm the only one who keeps thinking the movie "G-Force" should be 
about a bunch of teens with winged birdlike costumes who can fly and have wild 
weapons and a cool airship/spaceship? 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2009 1:09:16 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Get to know G.I. Joe 






That's how it works. If it "didn't happen after you were born it doesn't 
exist." 


On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 8:28 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 






I'd like to think everyone knew that--but I guess I'll have to settle for 
people realizing there were toys before the TV cartoon! 

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From: "ravenadal" < ravena...@yahoo.com > 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2009 11:20:32 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Get to know G.I. Joe 






I was shocked, shocked I tell you, to discover G.I. Joe existed over twenty 
years before Hasbro remade him as a literal boy-toy. Shoot, the movie "The 
Story of G.I. Joe," starring Robert Mitchum and Burgess Meredith, came out in 
1945, a full eighteen years before Hasbro created the "11 1/2 inch realistic 
action figures" "Rocky" and "Ace." Who knew? 

~rave! 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/chi-gijoe-html,0,445585.htmlpage 








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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds 



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds

[RE][scifinoir2] 1 Reason Not to Mess With Children...

[Martin Baxter]

(would run outside to scream in delight, but Hartsfield, 29 miles away, would 
complain about the noise pollution)





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 Subject : [scifinoir2] 1 Reason Not to Mess With Children...

 Date : Sat, 8 Aug 2009 11:24:55 -0400

 From : "Reece Jennings" 

 To : 


Well...
 

 
A little girl was talking to her teacher about whales.


The teacher said it was physically impossible for a whale to swallow a
human because even though it was a very large mammal its throat was very
small. 

The little girl stated that Jonah was swallowed by a whale.. 

Irritated, the teacher reiterated that a whale could not swallow a human; it
was physically impossible. 

The little girl said, 'When I get to heaven I will ask Jonah'. 

The teacher asked, 'What if Jonah went to hell?' 

The little girl replied, 'Then you ask him'
 
 
 



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds

[scifinoir2] 1 Reason Not to Mess With Children...

[Reece Jennings]

Well...
  

 
A little girl was talking to her teacher about whales.


The teacher said it was physically impossible for a whale to swallow a
human because even though it was a very large mammal its throat was very
small. 

The little girl stated that Jonah was swallowed by a whale.. 

Irritated, the teacher reiterated that a whale could not swallow a human; it
was physically impossible. 

The little girl said, 'When I get to heaven I will ask Jonah'. 

The teacher asked, 'What if Jonah went to hell?' 

The little girl replied, 'Then you ask him'
 
 
 

Re: [scifinoir2] GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS

[Keith Johnson]

I second that! 

- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Baxter"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2009 8:22:39 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS 






On that, I have to disagree, Mr Worf. For me, the last two seasons of 
DSNine were some of the best TV I've ever watched. 






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Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS 
Date : Fri, 7 Aug 2009 16:32:13 -0700 
>From : "Mr. Worf"  
To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 

I think DS9 ran out of steam about a year before it ended. The writing was 
starting to slack off a bit. 

On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:13 PM, George Arterberry < 
brotherfromhow...@yahoo.com> wrote: 

> 
> 
> Cleoptara 2525 
> 
> --- On *Fri, 8/7/09, Bosco Bosco * wrote: 
> 
> 
> From: Bosco Bosco 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Date: Friday, August 7, 2009, 12:04 PM 
> 
> Jim Baker and Tammy Faye Bakers 80's show, The PTL Club. 
> Jim J and Tammy Faye Baker's 90's day time show, The Jim J and Tammy Faye 
> Show. 
> 
> Actually anything with Tammy Faye Baker. You may disagree that this is 
> science fiction. If so, you just aren't perceiving reality correctly. 
> 
> Bosco 
> 
> --- On *Thu, 8/6/09, Michelle Lauren *wrote: 
> 
> 
> From: Michelle Lauren 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS 
> To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
> Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 2:32 PM 
> 
> 
> 
> Someone in this group recommended Joss Whedon's FIREFLY to me a few months 
> ago. Once I saw the episodes on Hulu (listed in their intended order as 
> opposed to how Fox patchworked them together during the original viewing 
> season), I got hooked. The characters, the dialogue, the world (an 
> interesting mix of Asian and Western culture thrown into a futuristic 
> setting) – everything was wonderful. My DVD set of the series just arrived 
> today and I can't wait to watch it again. Fox made a serious mistake 
> canceling this show. If someone hadn't recommended it on this loop, I might 
> never have bothered looking it upon because the plot seemed weird to me at 
> first. Plus, I'm a fan of any show that features the gorgeous and 
> uber-talented actress Gina Torres. 
> 
> 
> 
> What are some other great scifi shows that got canceled too early? 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Get to know G.I. Joe

[Keith Johnson]

I've never seen the original Gatchaman, but along with the original versions of 
"Starblazers" and "Speed Racer", that's not unusual for an American viewer... 

- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Baxter"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2009 8:05:56 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Get to know G.I. Joe 






Keith, the guy who posted the link there is *very* new to anime (he'd 
just taken in "Akira" for the first time earlier this year), and only knew it 
as "G-Force". One of my godchildren, born and raised in England, went to Japan 
when his parents were posted there, and had his world rocked when he first saw 
"Gatchaman" as Deity intended. 






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Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Get to know G.I. Joe 
Date : Sat, 8 Aug 2009 06:28:34 + (UTC) 
>From : Keith Johnson  
To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 

Yeah, and for the record, I know that "G-Force" is the Americanized name of the 
Gatchaman team, based on the Americanized, watered-down "Battle of the 
Planets", which differs in major ways from the original Japanese anime. For 
example, Seven-Zark-Seven was created for the Americanized version in order to 
pad out the length, after all the objectionable, more adult Japanese stuff was 
cut. And I think even aspects of Keeops (sp?) were changed as well. 
The comic that was released in the last couple of years was pretty good... 

- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Baxter" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 9:18:09 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Get to know G.I. Joe 






Keith, you're *not* alone there. In another of my forums, a fellow anime fan 
posted a link to what he thought was a trailer for the new "G-Force" movie, 
apparently without looking at the trailer. I was the first in the group to 
watch it, and seeing talking hamsters was a shock to the system. (For the 
record, there *is* an anime Gatchaman movie rolling out soon. There are some 
cool pics previewed at io9, but the site appears to be on vacation, so I can't 
link to them. 






-[ Received Mail Content ]-- 
Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Get to know G.I. Joe 
Date : Fri, 7 Aug 2009 04:39:41 + (UTC) 
>From : Keith Johnson 
To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 

So that means i'm the only one who keeps thinking the movie "G-Force" should be 
about a bunch of teens with winged birdlike costumes who can fly and have wild 
weapons and a cool airship/spaceship? 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2009 1:09:16 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Get to know G.I. Joe 






That's how it works. If it "didn't happen after you were born it doesn't 
exist." 


On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 8:28 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 






I'd like to think everyone knew that--but I guess I'll have to settle for 
people realizing there were toys before the TV cartoon! 

- Original Message - 
From: "ravenadal" < ravena...@yahoo.com > 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2009 11:20:32 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Get to know G.I. Joe 






I was shocked, shocked I tell you, to discover G.I. Joe existed over twenty 
years before Hasbro remade him as a literal boy-toy. Shoot, the movie "The 
Story of G.I. Joe," starring Robert Mitchum and Burgess Meredith, came out in 
1945, a full eighteen years before Hasbro created the "11 1/2 inch realistic 
action figures" "Rocky" and "Ace." Who knew? 

~rave! 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/chi-gijoe-html,0,445585.htmlpage 








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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds 

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Looking forward to "District 9"

[Keith Johnson]

I can see how some would think of "Alien Nation", "V", even "Independence Day" 
(the shape of the ship), but that means nothing. Some concepts in scifi are 
simply not new: the idea of aliens coming to Earth and then being ghettoized 
isn't. But it's the treatment, the new way the story's told, the committment to 
intelligent writing and acting, the unique spin of the director and producer 
and actors, that makes all the difference. Peter Jackson doesn't like to 
support crappy fare that's devoid of something for the grey matter, so I'm more 
excited about this than I am, say, the American remake of "V" that's being 
discussed. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Baxter"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2009 7:51:36 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] Looking forward to "District 9" 






Keith, I'm hyped for it as well. I've been avoiding any websites that 
hawk it in anyway, primarily because of my aversion to critics. All but one 
person I've spoken to regarding it are keen to see it as well. (That one refers 
to it as an " 'Alien Nation' ripoff".) 






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Subject : [scifinoir2] Looking forward to "District 9" 
Date : Sat, 8 Aug 2009 06:55:00 + (UTC) 
>From : Keith Johnson  
To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 

The "District 9" flick has me really intrigued. with its locale of South Africa 
(so different from usual Hollywood story locatons), it's gritty look, and the 
fact that it's a Peter Jackson joint, i have high hopes. Indeed, I'm actually 
looking forward to it more than I have any other movie so far this year, 
including Star Trek. Anyone heard any early buzz? I did find favorable reviews 
via jumping from Rotten Tomatoes (something I loathe to do, but as local 
newspapers fire more critics, I'm having to venture further afield to even find 
real critics). 

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/district_9/ 

*** 
http://boxoffice.com/reviews/2009/07/district-9.php 



District 9 is about the apartheid struggle in South Africa. For those under the 
age of 35 or so, apartheid was the system of racial segregation legally 
established by the government of South Africa between 1948 and 1994. No matter 
what else it seems to be about, District 9 , a film made a young, white, South 
African director, is about apartheid. Co-writer/director Neill Blomkamp spent 
his formative years living under the system of apartheid and has 
conscientiously insinuated the issue into his film. The attitudes, ideals and 
actions of the characters, from everyday citizens to government officials and 
those in business, reflect those that were common during the apartheid regime. 
The filmmakers, including producer Peter Jackson, have stealthily laid the 
artifacts of these dark days beneath the guise of an Alien invasion movie that 
is intense, graphically novelistic (though it’s an original story) and just 
funny enough to keep you thoroughly entertained, even while the s! ubtext is of 
a very serious nature. Buzz and an also clever marketing scheme suggest this 
should be worth a few bucks at the box office—especially if the audience is 
mostly under 35. 

The film is told using a number of cinematic modes including documentary 
footage, mockumentary footage, newsreel accounts, surveillance cameras and the 
standard story elements of narrative fiction. This is actually less chaotic 
than it sounds and serves to move the narrative along at a brisk pace. There’s 
little need here for filler. The filmmakers can justify any narrative 
exposition by putting a camera on the action (any potential camera) and just 
showing us, or having the characters explain the action to the cameramen. When 
all else fails Blomkamp inserts a movie moment and presses on. Lovely. Mister 
Blomkamp is a fine director who cut his teeth on commercials and music videos, 
and at the knee of director and special effects guru Peter Jackson. Between the 
two of them (Jackson’s company was employed for the effects) they’ve come up 
with the best CGI effects film to date. The spacecrafts, the cityscapes, the 
weapons effects and the aliens themselves (which we are! told are 100 percent 
CGI) are all exceptional. But the best thing in the movie is lead actor Sharlto 
Copley, a long time friend of the director and fairly novice actor. Copley is 
pitch perfect, delicately straddling the line between ordinary Afrikaans racist 
and empathic hero. 

The narrative of District 9 revolves around a giant alien spacecraft that came 
to rest above downtown Johannesburg, South Africa, some 20 years before the 
story began. Inhabited by one million crawfish-like, cat food and raw meat 
eating, humanoid aliens, little can be discerned about where the ship came from 
or who the creatures are. They are simply here. They are strong but without 
direction or purpose, mostly docile and apparently of

Re: [scifinoir2] We're Drawing Closer to a Will Smith/Zoe Saldana 'Harvey'

[Keith Johnson]

Amen, amen! All you hear is studios worried about demographics (hence, a 
forgettable run by Halle Berry as Storm, when everyone knows Angela Bassett 
would have nailed the role) instead of quality. And i have long been puzzled 
and irritated by the thing you mentioned, where sex and violence in appalling 
or appallingly impersonal measure gets approved -some scenes in "Crank" or the 
Eli Roth "torture porn" films come to mind. Yet intimate sexual scenes that 
might show some genetalia in a tasteful and even understanding manner get 
labeled NC-17. Even on Syfy early this morning (3 am) I saw the beginning of 
some ghost/slasher flick with Casper van Diem and perennial tough guy actor 
Michael Rooker. The bad guy impaled, slashed, and cut up three people in teh 
first five minutes. Blood splaying everywhere, body parts dropping. Yet it's on 
TV! In the theatres, that's an R and kids get in all the time. 
Yet let there be ten *seconds* of an intimate love scene between a married 
couple in a film, and the thing's verbote, advisories go out all over the 
place, and conservatives are decrying the fall of Western civilization. And now 
with "The Hangover", the teen-sex thing will be back, with copious and 
gratuitous nude scenes, and no one will care. 
Crazy... 


- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2009 4:22:50 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] We're Drawing Closer to a Will Smith/Zoe Saldana 
'Harvey' 






I think that is where the studio's influences come into play when they are 
viewing the rushes. Some of the films that I have watched that have that part 
of their development documented on video often have changes made to the film 
that delete key parts of the movie that may have taken into a deeper direction. 

Another thing that bugs me is that the MPAA will often approve gore and sex 
scenes in movies if there isn't a happy ending with the characters, or an 
unhealthy relationship, but if there is a healthy sexual relationship that 
often ends up on the cutting room floor. 


On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 12:03 AM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 






It takes parents to start teaching their kids to appreciate quality. it takes 
friends to take friends to see something they'd not otherwise see. It takes 
couples doing something like taking one night a week, or one week a month, 
where they see something they'd not otherwise see, whether that's watching a 
silent flick on Turner Classics, an original version of something they've only 
seen in remakes (such as The Day the Earth Stood still), or brazing the 
theatres to see a foreign film with subtitles. 

What I find most interesting is that, while America churns out a lot of low 
brow crap that's too focused on CGI, sex, and violence lacking in cleverness 
(not like a John Woo flick) the creators of such aren't always really idiots. 
Sure, we have the hacks like Michael Bay, who I contend is just an awful 
director. But we have a lot of directors who are always talking about good 
film, who in interviews speak of the influence of the masters like Bergman, 
Kurosawa. in the animation world, for example, you'd be hard pressed to find a 
single person at Disney, Pixar, or Dreamworks who doesn't worship the work of 
Miyazaki. Even when they're putting out easy fare like Madagascar or Shrek 3, 
they still know quality when they see it. 

So, is the tail wagging the dog, or the other way 'round? 



- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf" < hellomahog...@gmail.com > 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 



Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2009 1:35:51 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] We're Drawing Closer to a Will Smith/Zoe Saldana 
'Harvey' 






I agree, but I think that it may take a re-education on a national level. 


On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 






Actually there are a lot of good films out there that could teach people to 
appreciate plotting. The only problem is they don't get the press. Indie films, 
little theatre chains, IFC on cable, TCM for old classic movies--it's all 
there. What we need to do is teach people to seek out the fare that's out 
there 



- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf" < hellomahog...@gmail.com > 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 



Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 2:04:48 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] We're Drawing Closer to a Will Smith/Zoe Saldana 
'Harvey' 









I think that there is a large part of the audience that doesn't look beyond the 
cgi. I think that they are trained to do that in this country. (The monster 
truck, indy500, wrestling set) Outside of that we have everyone else that 
doesn't mind a nice explosion but want a plot to tie the explosions together. 
The problem is that there just havent been enough films to really teach 
american audiences how to watch a film with a plot.

Re: [scifinoir2] Looking forward to "District 9"

[Daryle Lockhart]

I LOVED this movie season!! Between Star Trek, Up, Moon, and a couple  
of other smaller films, this has been great! I didn't expect much from  
the big movies, they've been letting me down for years.


On Aug 8, 2009, at 8:45 AM, "Tracey de Morsella" > wrote:


I’m psyched about it too.  This has been one of the most disappointi 
ng summer movie seasons in years




From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com]  
On Behalf Of Amy Harlib

Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 3:23 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Looking forward to "District 9"











ahar...@earthlink.net

This is so totally on my must-see list!

Cheers!

Amy



The "District 9" flick has me really intrigued. with its locale of  
South Africa (so different from usual Hollywood story locatons),  
it's gritty look, and the fact that it's a Peter Jackson joint, i  
have high hopes. Indeed, I'm actually looking forward to it more  
than I have any other movie so far this year, including Star Trek.   
Anyone heard any early buzz? I did find  favorable reviews via  
jumping from Rotten Tomatoes (something I loathe to do, but as local  
newspapers fire more critics, I'm having to venture further afield  
to even find real critics).


http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/district_9/

*** 
*** 
*

http://boxoffice.com/reviews/2009/07/district-9.php

District 9 is about the apartheid struggle in South Africa. For  
those under the age of 35 or so, apartheid was the system of racial  
segregation legally established by the government of South Africa  
between 1948 and 1994. No matter what else it seems to be about,  
District 9, a film made a young, white, South African director, is  
about apartheid. Co-writer/director Neill Blomkamp spent his  
formative years living under the system of apartheid and has  
conscientiously insinuated the issue into his film. The attitudes,  
ideals and actions of the characters, from everyday citizens to  
government officials and those in business, reflect those that were  
common during the apartheid regime. The filmmakers, including  
producer Peter Jackson, have stealthily laid the artifacts of these  
dark days beneath the guise of an Alien invasion movie that is  
intense, graphically novelistic (though it’s an original story) and  
just funny enough to keep you thoroughly entertained, even while the 
 subtext is of a very serious nature. Buzz and an also clever market 
ing scheme suggest this should be worth a few bucks at the box offic 
e—especially if the audience is mostly under 35.


The film is told using a number of cinematic modes including  
documentary footage, mockumentary footage, newsreel accounts,  
surveillance cameras and the standard story elements of narrative  
fiction. This is actually less chaotic than it sounds and serves to  
move the narrative along at a brisk pace. There’s little need here f 
or filler. The filmmakers can justify any narrative exposition by pu 
tting a camera on the action (any potential camera) and just showing 
 us, or having the characters explain the action to the cameramen. W 
hen all else fails Blomkamp inserts a movie moment and presses on. L 
ovely. Mister Blomkamp is a fine director who cut his teeth on comme 
rcials and music videos, and at the knee of director and special eff 
ects guru Peter Jackson. Between the two of them (Jackson’s company  
was employed for the effects) they’ve come up with the best CGI effe 
cts film to date. The spacecrafts, the cityscapes, the weapons effec 
ts and the aliens themselves (which we are told are 100 percent CGI) 
 are all exceptional. But the best thing in the movie is lead actor  
Sharlto Copley, a long time friend of the director and fairly novice 
 actor. Copley is pitch perfect, delicately straddling the line betw 
een ordinary Afrikaans racist and empathic hero.


The narrative of District 9 revolves around a giant alien spacecraft  
that came to rest above downtown Johannesburg, South Africa, some 20  
years before the story began. Inhabited by one million crawfish- 
like, cat food and raw meat eating, humanoid aliens, little can be  
discerned about where the ship came from or who the creatures are.  
They are simply here. They are strong but without direction or  
purpose, mostly docile and apparently of little use to humanity. So  
we warehouse them—in District 9. Then, we decide to forcibly move th 
em to a different, shoddier, interment camp.
While other nations are far from guiltless of such cruelties, the  
emphasis here is on the South African history. Still, the structures  
the film employs are incisive and direct and, if you’re over 35, the 
y might piss you off.


Distributor: Sony Pictures
Cast: Sharlto Copley, Jason Cope, Nathalie Boltt, Sylvaine Strike,  
William Allen Young and Robert Hobbs

Director: Neill Blomkamp
Screenwriters: Neill Blomkamp and Terri Tatchell
Producers: Peter Jackso

RE: [scifinoir2] Looking forward to "District 9"

[Tracey de Morsella]

I’m psyched about it too.  This has been one of the most disappointing summer 
movie seasons in years

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Amy Harlib
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 3:23 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Looking forward to "District 9"

 

 






 

ahar...@earthlink.net

This is so totally on my must-see list!

Cheers!

Amy

 

The "District 9" flick has me really intrigued. with its locale of South Africa 
(so different from usual Hollywood story locatons), it's gritty look, and the 
fact that it's a Peter Jackson joint, i have high hopes. Indeed, I'm actually 
looking forward to it more than I have any other movie so far this year, 
including Star Trek.  Anyone heard any early buzz? I did find  favorable 
reviews via jumping from Rotten Tomatoes (something I loathe to do, but as 
local newspapers fire more critics, I'm having to venture further afield to 
even find real critics).

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/district_9/

***
http://boxoffice.com/reviews/2009/07/district-9.php

District 9 is about the apartheid struggle in South Africa. For those under the 
age of 35 or so, apartheid was the system of racial segregation legally 
established by the government of South Africa between 1948 and 1994. No matter 
what else it seems to be about, District 9, a film made a young, white, South 
African director, is about apartheid. Co-writer/director Neill Blomkamp spent 
his formative years living under the system of apartheid and has 
conscientiously insinuated the issue into his film. The attitudes, ideals and 
actions of the characters, from everyday citizens to government officials and 
those in business, reflect those that were common during the apartheid regime. 
The filmmakers, including producer Peter Jackson, have stealthily laid the 
artifacts of these dark days beneath the guise of an Alien invasion movie that 
is intense, graphically novelistic (though it’s an original story) and just 
funny enough to keep you thoroughly entertained, even while the subtext is of a 
very serious nature. Buzz and an also clever marketing scheme suggest this 
should be worth a few bucks at the box office—especially if the audience is 
mostly under 35.

The film is told using a number of cinematic modes including documentary 
footage, mockumentary footage, newsreel accounts, surveillance cameras and the 
standard story elements of narrative fiction. This is actually less chaotic 
than it sounds and serves to move the narrative along at a brisk pace. There’s 
little need here for filler. The filmmakers can justify any narrative 
exposition by putting a camera on the action (any potential camera) and just 
showing us, or having the characters explain the action to the cameramen. When 
all else fails Blomkamp inserts a movie moment and presses on. Lovely. Mister 
Blomkamp is a fine director who cut his teeth on commercials and music videos, 
and at the knee of director and special effects guru Peter Jackson. Between the 
two of them (Jackson’s company was employed for the effects) they’ve come up 
with the best CGI effects film to date. The spacecrafts, the cityscapes, the 
weapons effects and the aliens themselves (which we are told are 100 percent 
CGI) are all exceptional. But the best thing in the movie is lead actor Sharlto 
Copley, a long time friend of the director and fairly novice actor. Copley is 
pitch perfect, delicately straddling the line between ordinary Afrikaans racist 
and empathic hero. 

The narrative of District 9 revolves around a giant alien spacecraft that came 
to rest above downtown Johannesburg, South Africa, some 20 years before the 
story began. Inhabited by one million crawfish-like, cat food and raw meat 
eating, humanoid aliens, little can be discerned about where the ship came from 
or who the creatures are. They are simply here. They are strong but without 
direction or purpose, mostly docile and apparently of little use to humanity. 
So we warehouse them—in District 9. Then, we decide to forcibly move them to a 
different, shoddier, interment camp. 
While other nations are far from guiltless of such cruelties, the emphasis here 
is on the South African history. Still, the structures the film employs are 
incisive and direct and, if you’re over 35, they might piss you off. 

Distributor: Sony Pictures
Cast: Sharlto Copley, Jason Cope, Nathalie Boltt, Sylvaine Strike, William 
Allen Young and Robert Hobbs
Director: Neill Blomkamp
Screenwriters: Neill Blomkamp and Terri Tatchell
Producers: Peter Jackson
Genre: Science Fiction
Rating: Rated R for bloody violence and pervasive language.
Running Time: 113 min.
Release date: August 14, 2009

 

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Re: [scifinoir2] Topic: Doctor Who

[Martin Baxter]

I could see an American producer tossing in a hip-hop flavored DW ep.

(runs from keyboard, howling)





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No, and thank the gods there isn't. The US would wreck anything good and
decent about it.
~ "Where love and magic meet" ~
http://www.adriannebrennan.com
Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html
Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates:
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Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath


On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Mr. Worf  wrote:

>
>
> I am not a super Dr. Who fan but someone asked if there was a US version of
> the show. I haven't found any info on that yet. There were some that were
> financed by the Canadian Broadcasting Company in the late 70s. They also
> re-aired the show for a LONG time.
>
> I found some interesting info about the show here:
> wiki page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_who
>
> There was also a tidbit about the BBC systematically erasing shows to
> recycle tape! G!!! Crazy
>
>
> 
>



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Re: [scifinoir2] GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS

[Martin Baxter]

On that, I have to disagree, Mr Worf. For me, the last two seasons of DSNine 
were some of the best TV I've ever watched.





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 From : "Mr. Worf" 

 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


I think DS9 ran out of steam about a year before it ended. The writing was
starting to slack off a bit.

On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:13 PM, George Arterberry <
brotherfromhow...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
> Cleoptara 2525
>
> --- On *Fri, 8/7/09, Bosco Bosco * wrote:
>
>
> From: Bosco Bosco 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, August 7, 2009, 12:04 PM
>
> Jim Baker and Tammy Faye Bakers 80's show, The PTL Club.
> Jim J and Tammy Faye Baker's 90's day time show, The Jim J and Tammy Faye
> Show.
>
> Actually anything with Tammy Faye Baker. You may disagree that this is
> science fiction. If so, you just aren't perceiving reality correctly.
>
> Bosco
>
> --- On *Thu, 8/6/09, Michelle Lauren *wrote:
>
>
> From: Michelle Lauren 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
> To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 2:32 PM
>
>
>
> Someone in this group recommended Joss Whedon's FIREFLY to me a few months
> ago. Once I saw the episodes on Hulu (listed in their intended order as
> opposed to how Fox patchworked them together during the original viewing
> season), I got hooked. The characters, the dialogue, the world (an
> interesting mix of Asian and Western culture thrown into a futuristic
> setting) – everything was wonderful. My DVD set of the series just arrived
> today and I can't wait to watch it again. Fox made a serious mistake
> canceling this show. If someone hadn't recommended it on this loop, I might
> never have bothered looking it upon because the plot seemed weird to me at
> first. Plus, I'm a fan of any show that features the gorgeous and
> uber-talented actress Gina Torres.
>
>
>
> What are some other great scifi shows that got canceled too early?
>
>
>
> Michelle Lauren ~ Join my Yahoo Group thru 8/31 for a chance to win a $10
> Amazon Gift Card. 
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>
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>
>
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Re: [scifinoir2] Topic: Doctor Who

[Adrianne Brennan]

No, and thank the gods there isn't. The US would wreck anything good and
decent about it.
~ "Where love and magic meet" ~
http://www.adriannebrennan.com
Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html
Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html
Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath


On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Mr. Worf  wrote:

>
>
> I am not a super Dr. Who fan but someone asked if there was a US version of
> the show. I haven't found any info on that yet. There were some that were
> financed by the Canadian Broadcasting Company in the late 70s. They also
> re-aired the show for a LONG time.
>
> I found some interesting info about the show here:
> wiki page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_who
>
> There was also a tidbit about the BBC systematically erasing shows to
> recycle tape! G!!! Crazy
>
>
> 
>

[RE][scifinoir2] Ironman and Wolverine animae?

[Martin Baxter]

I'd prefer Iron Man, only because I'm a Shellhead fan more than I am of the 
Canuck.





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 From : "Mr. Worf" 

 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


It says that it is coming from Marvel...
http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1810097859/video/14827973

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Re: [scifinoir2] Get to know G.I. Joe

[Martin Baxter]

Keith, the guy who posted the link there is *very* new to anime (he'd just 
taken in "Akira" for the first time earlier this year), and only knew it as 
"G-Force". One of my godchildren, born and raised in England, went to Japan 
when his parents were posted there, and had his world rocked when he first saw 
"Gatchaman" as Deity intended.





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 Date : Sat, 8 Aug 2009 06:28:34 + (UTC)

 From : Keith Johnson 

 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


Yeah, and for the record, I know that "G-Force" is the Americanized name of the 
Gatchaman team, based on the Americanized, watered-down "Battle of the 
Planets", which differs in major ways from the original Japanese anime. For 
example, Seven-Zark-Seven was created for the Americanized version in order to 
pad out the length, after all the objectionable, more adult Japanese stuff was 
cut. And I think even aspects of Keeops (sp?) were changed as well. 
The comic that was released in the last couple of years was pretty good... 

- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Baxter"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 9:18:09 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Get to know G.I. Joe 






Keith, you're *not* alone there. In another of my forums, a fellow 
anime fan posted a link to what he thought was a trailer for the new "G-Force" 
movie, apparently without looking at the trailer. I was the first in the group 
to watch it, and seeing talking hamsters was a shock to the system. (For the 
record, there *is* an anime Gatchaman movie rolling out soon. There are some 
cool pics previewed at io9, but the site appears to be on vacation, so I can't 
link to them. 






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Date : Fri, 7 Aug 2009 04:39:41 + (UTC) 
>From : Keith Johnson  
To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 

So that means i'm the only one who keeps thinking the movie "G-Force" should be 
about a bunch of teens with winged birdlike costumes who can fly and have wild 
weapons and a cool airship/spaceship? 

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From: "Mr. Worf" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2009 1:09:16 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Get to know G.I. Joe 






That's how it works. If it "didn't happen after you were born it doesn't 
exist." 


On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 8:28 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 






I'd like to think everyone knew that--but I guess I'll have to settle for 
people realizing there were toys before the TV cartoon! 

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To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2009 11:20:32 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Get to know G.I. Joe 






I was shocked, shocked I tell you, to discover G.I. Joe existed over twenty 
years before Hasbro remade him as a literal boy-toy. Shoot, the movie "The 
Story of G.I. Joe," starring Robert Mitchum and Burgess Meredith, came out in 
1945, a full eighteen years before Hasbro created the "11 1/2 inch realistic 
action figures" "Rocky" and "Ace." Who knew? 

~rave! 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/chi-gijoe-html,0,445585.htmlpage 








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[RE][scifinoir2] Topic: Doctor Who

[Martin Baxter]

Mr Worf,

To the best of my knowledge, the only American influence on the series was that 
one Fox movie back when with Paul McGann. Interestingly, for quite some time 
after that, the Beeb refused to acknowledge the existence of that movie. On the 
official DW page on the Beeb's site, McGann wasn't even named. Some fans will 
still become irate at the mention of him. The ebst explanation out these is 
that the Fox movie had McGann's Doctor telling one of his companions, "I'm 
half-human."





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 From : "Mr. Worf" 

 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


I am not a super Dr. Who fan but someone asked if there was a US version of
the show. I haven't found any info on that yet. There were some that were
financed by the Canadian Broadcasting Company in the late 70s. They also
re-aired the show for a LONG time.

I found some interesting info about the show here:
wiki page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_who

There was also a tidbit about the BBC systematically erasing shows to
recycle tape! G!!! Crazy



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds

[RE][scifinoir2] Looking forward to "District 9"

[Martin Baxter]

Keith, I'm hyped for it as well. I've been avoiding any websites that hawk it 
in anyway, primarily because of my aversion to critics. All but one person I've 
spoken to regarding it are keen to see it as well. (That one refers to it as an 
" 'Alien Nation' ripoff".)





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 From : Keith Johnson 

 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


The "District 9" flick has me really intrigued. with its locale of South Africa 
(so different from usual Hollywood story locatons), it's gritty look, and the 
fact that it's a Peter Jackson joint, i have high hopes. Indeed, I'm actually 
looking forward to it more than I have any other movie so far this year, 
including Star Trek. Anyone heard any early buzz? I did find favorable reviews 
via jumping from Rotten Tomatoes (something I loathe to do, but as local 
newspapers fire more critics, I'm having to venture further afield to even find 
real critics). 

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/district_9/ 

*** 
http://boxoffice.com/reviews/2009/07/district-9.php 



District 9 is about the apartheid struggle in South Africa. For those under the 
age of 35 or so, apartheid was the system of racial segregation legally 
established by the government of South Africa between 1948 and 1994. No matter 
what else it seems to be about, District 9 , a film made a young, white, South 
African director, is about apartheid. Co-writer/director Neill Blomkamp spent 
his formative years living under the system of apartheid and has 
conscientiously insinuated the issue into his film. The attitudes, ideals and 
actions of the characters, from everyday citizens to government officials and 
those in business, reflect those that were common during the apartheid regime. 
The filmmakers, including producer Peter Jackson, have stealthily laid the 
artifacts of these dark days beneath the guise of an Alien invasion movie that 
is intense, graphically novelistic (though it’s an original story) and just 
funny enough to keep you thoroughly entertained, even while the subte!
 xt is of a very serious nature. Buzz and an also clever marketing scheme 
suggest this should be worth a few bucks at the box office—especially if the 
audience is mostly under 35. 

The film is told using a number of cinematic modes including documentary 
footage, mockumentary footage, newsreel accounts, surveillance cameras and the 
standard story elements of narrative fiction. This is actually less chaotic 
than it sounds and serves to move the narrative along at a brisk pace. There’s 
little need here for filler. The filmmakers can justify any narrative 
exposition by putting a camera on the action (any potential camera) and just 
showing us, or having the characters explain the action to the cameramen. When 
all else fails Blomkamp inserts a movie moment and presses on. Lovely. Mister 
Blomkamp is a fine director who cut his teeth on commercials and music videos, 
and at the knee of director and special effects guru Peter Jackson. Between the 
two of them (Jackson’s company was employed for the effects) they’ve come up 
with the best CGI effects film to date. The spacecrafts, the cityscapes, the 
weapons effects and the aliens themselves (which we are tol!
 d are 100 percent CGI) are all exceptional. But the best thing in the movie is 
lead actor Sharlto Copley, a long time friend of the director and fairly novice 
actor. Copley is pitch perfect, delicately straddling the line between ordinary 
Afrikaans racist and empathic hero. 

The narrative of District 9 revolves around a giant alien spacecraft that came 
to rest above downtown Johannesburg, South Africa, some 20 years before the 
story began. Inhabited by one million crawfish-like, cat food and raw meat 
eating, humanoid aliens, little can be discerned about where the ship came from 
or who the creatures are. They are simply here. They are strong but without 
direction or purpose, mostly docile and apparently of little use to humanity. 
So we warehouse them—in District 9. Then, we decide to forcibly move them to a 
different, shoddier, interment camp. 
While other nations are far from guiltless of such cruelties, the emphasis here 
is on the South African history. Still, the structures the film employs are 
incisive and direct and, if you’re over 35, they might piss you off. 

Distributor: Sony Pictures 
Cast: Sharlto Copley, Jason Cope, Nathalie Boltt, Sylvaine Strike, William 
Allen Young and Robert Hobbs 
Director: Neill Blomkamp 
Screenwriters: Neill Blomkamp and Terri Tatchell 
Producers: Peter Jackson 
Genre: Science Fiction 
Rating: Rated R for bloody violence and pervasive language. 
Running Time: 113 min. 
Release date: August 14, 2009 





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Re: [scifinoir2] Looking forward to "District 9"

[Amy Harlib]

ahar...@earthlink.net
This is so totally on my must-see list!
Cheers!
Amy





  The "District 9" flick has me really intrigued. with its locale of South 
Africa (so different from usual Hollywood story locatons), it's gritty look, 
and the fact that it's a Peter Jackson joint, i have high hopes. Indeed, I'm 
actually looking forward to it more than I have any other movie so far this 
year, including Star Trek.  Anyone heard any early buzz? I did find  favorable 
reviews via jumping from Rotten Tomatoes (something I loathe to do, but as 
local newspapers fire more critics, I'm having to venture further afield to 
even find real critics).

  http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/district_9/

  ***
  http://boxoffice.com/reviews/2009/07/district-9.php


  District 9 is about the apartheid struggle in South Africa. For those under 
the age of 35 or so, apartheid was the system of racial segregation legally 
established by the government of South Africa between 1948 and 1994. No matter 
what else it seems to be about, District 9, a film made a young, white, South 
African director, is about apartheid. Co-writer/director Neill Blomkamp spent 
his formative years living under the system of apartheid and has 
conscientiously insinuated the issue into his film. The attitudes, ideals and 
actions of the characters, from everyday citizens to government officials and 
those in business, reflect those that were common during the apartheid regime. 
The filmmakers, including producer Peter Jackson, have stealthily laid the 
artifacts of these dark days beneath the guise of an Alien invasion movie that 
is intense, graphically novelistic (though it’s an original story) and just 
funny enough to keep you thoroughly entertained, even while the subtext is of a 
very serious nature. Buzz and an also clever marketing scheme suggest this 
should be worth a few bucks at the box office—especially if the audience is 
mostly under 35.

  The film is told using a number of cinematic modes including documentary 
footage, mockumentary footage, newsreel accounts, surveillance cameras and the 
standard story elements of narrative fiction. This is actually less chaotic 
than it sounds and serves to move the narrative along at a brisk pace. There’s 
little need here for filler. The filmmakers can justify any narrative 
exposition by putting a camera on the action (any potential camera) and just 
showing us, or having the characters explain the action to the cameramen. When 
all else fails Blomkamp inserts a movie moment and presses on. Lovely. Mister 
Blomkamp is a fine director who cut his teeth on commercials and music videos, 
and at the knee of director and special effects guru Peter Jackson. Between the 
two of them (Jackson’s company was employed for the effects) they’ve come up 
with the best CGI effects film to date. The spacecrafts, the cityscapes, the 
weapons effects and the aliens themselves (which we are told are 100 percent 
CGI) are all exceptional. But the best thing in the movie is lead actor Sharlto 
Copley, a long time friend of the director and fairly novice actor. Copley is 
pitch perfect, delicately straddling the line between ordinary Afrikaans racist 
and empathic hero. 

  The narrative of District 9 revolves around a giant alien spacecraft that 
came to rest above downtown Johannesburg, South Africa, some 20 years before 
the story began. Inhabited by one million crawfish-like, cat food and raw meat 
eating, humanoid aliens, little can be discerned about where the ship came from 
or who the creatures are. They are simply here. They are strong but without 
direction or purpose, mostly docile and apparently of little use to humanity. 
So we warehouse them—in District 9. Then, we decide to forcibly move them to a 
different, shoddier, interment camp. 
  While other nations are far from guiltless of such cruelties, the emphasis 
here is on the South African history. Still, the structures the film employs 
are incisive and direct and, if you’re over 35, they might piss you off. 

  Distributor: Sony Pictures
  Cast: Sharlto Copley, Jason Cope, Nathalie Boltt, Sylvaine Strike, William 
Allen Young and Robert Hobbs
  Director: Neill Blomkamp
  Screenwriters: Neill Blomkamp and Terri Tatchell
  Producers: Peter Jackson
  Genre: Science Fiction
  Rating: Rated R for bloody violence and pervasive language.
  Running Time: 113 min.
  Release date: August 14, 2009








  


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Re: [scifinoir2] We're Drawing Closer to a Will Smith/Zoe Saldana 'Harvey'

[Mr. Worf]

I think that is where the studio's influences come into play when they are
viewing the rushes. Some of the films that I have watched that have that
part of their development documented on video often have changes made to the
film that delete key parts of the movie that may have taken into a deeper
direction.

Another thing that bugs me is that the MPAA will often approve gore and sex
scenes in movies if there isn't a happy ending with the characters, or an
unhealthy relationship,  but if there is a healthy sexual relationship that
often ends up on the cutting room floor.

On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 12:03 AM, Keith Johnson wrote:

>
>
> It takes parents to start teaching their kids to appreciate quality. it
> takes friends to take friends to see something they'd not otherwise see. It
> takes couples doing something like taking one night a week, or one week a
> month, where they see something they'd not otherwise see, whether that's
> watching a silent flick on Turner Classics, an original version of something
> they've only seen in remakes (such as The Day the Earth Stood still), or
> brazing the theatres to see a foreign film with subtitles.
>
> What I find most interesting is that, while America churns out a lot of low
> brow crap that's too focused on CGI, sex, and violence lacking in cleverness
> (not like a John Woo flick) the creators of such aren't always really
> idiots. Sure, we have the hacks like Michael Bay, who I contend is just an
> awful director. But we have a lot of directors who are always talking about
> good film, who in interviews speak of the influence of the masters like
> Bergman, Kurosawa. in the animation world, for example, you'd be hard
> pressed to find a single person at Disney, Pixar, or Dreamworks who doesn't
> worship the work of Miyazaki. Even when they're putting out easy fare like
> Madagascar or Shrek 3, they still know quality when they see it.
>
> So, is the tail wagging the dog, or the other way 'round?
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mr. Worf" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2009 1:35:51 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] We're Drawing Closer to a Will Smith/Zoe Saldana
>  'Harvey'
>
>
>
> I agree, but I think that it may take a re-education on a national level.
>
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Keith Johnson 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Actually there are a lot of good films out there that could teach people
>> to appreciate plotting. The only problem is they don't get the press. Indie
>> films, little theatre chains, IFC on cable, TCM for old classic movies--it's
>> all there. What we need to do is teach people to seek out the fare that's
>> out there
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Mr. Worf" 
>> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 2:04:48 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] We're Drawing Closer to a Will Smith/Zoe Saldana
>>  'Harvey'
>>
>>
>>
>> I think that there is a large part of the audience that doesn't look
>> beyond the cgi. I think that they are trained to do that in this country.
>> (The monster truck, indy500, wrestling set) Outside of that we have everyone
>> else that doesn't mind a nice explosion but want a plot to tie the
>> explosions together. The problem is that there just havent been enough films
>> to really teach american audiences how to watch a film with a plot.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 10:56 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *That is not a bad idea, but this generation is more interested in
>>> computer graphics then a real good story line.*
>>> *--Lavender*
>>>
>>>  *From:* Martin Baxter 
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2009 7:40 AM
>>> *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] We're Drawing Closer to a Will Smith/Zoe
>>> Saldana 'Harvey'
>>>
>>>   Whenever H'Wood remakes something, some moe-ronic person will say that
>>> it's being done "for this/the next generation" to appreciate.
>>>
>>> Why not sit the generation in question down and show them the *original*?
>>> Allow them to appreciate *it*?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -[ Received Mail Content ]--
>>> *Subject : *Re: [scifinoir2] We're Drawing Closer to a Will Smith/Zoe
>>> Saldana 'Harvey'
>>> *Date : *Wed, 5 Aug 2009 22:05:07 -0700
>>> *From : *"Mr. Worf" 
>>> *To : *scifino...@yahoogroups.com
>>>
>>> You think that is bad? They are starting to make fairy tales over now.
>>> First there is Alice in Wonderland, and they just announced that DiCaprio
>>> is
>>> making Little red riding hood. Hmm I wonder which will be next? Pinocchio
>>> or
>>> the three little pigs?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 8:32 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > i just don't see the point of remaking the movie, no matter who's in
>>> the
>>> > lead. Lord I wish H'wood could just leave some properties alone!
>>> >
>>> > - Original Message -
>>> > From: "brent wodehouse"
>>> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>>> > Sent: Wednesday, August 

Re: [scifinoir2] We're Drawing Closer to a Will Smith/Zoe Saldana 'Harvey'

[Keith Johnson]

It takes parents to start teaching their kids to appreciate quality. it takes 
friends to take friends to see something they'd not otherwise see. It takes 
couples doing something like taking one night a week, or one week a month, 
where they see something they'd not otherwise see, whether that's watching a 
silent flick on Turner Classics, an original version of something they've only 
seen in remakes (such as The Day the Earth Stood still), or brazing the 
theatres to see a foreign film with subtitles. 

What I find most interesting is that, while America churns out a lot of low 
brow crap that's too focused on CGI, sex, and violence lacking in cleverness 
(not like a John Woo flick) the creators of such aren't always really idiots. 
Sure, we have the hacks like Michael Bay, who I contend is just an awful 
director. But we have a lot of directors who are always talking about good 
film, who in interviews speak of the influence of the masters like Bergman, 
Kurosawa. in the animation world, for example, you'd be hard pressed to find a 
single person at Disney, Pixar, or Dreamworks who doesn't worship the work of 
Miyazaki. Even when they're putting out easy fare like Madagascar or Shrek 3, 
they still know quality when they see it. 

So, is the tail wagging the dog, or the other way 'round? 


- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2009 1:35:51 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] We're Drawing Closer to a Will Smith/Zoe Saldana 
'Harvey' 






I agree, but I think that it may take a re-education on a national level. 


On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 






Actually there are a lot of good films out there that could teach people to 
appreciate plotting. The only problem is they don't get the press. Indie films, 
little theatre chains, IFC on cable, TCM for old classic movies--it's all 
there. What we need to do is teach people to seek out the fare that's out 
there 



- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf" < hellomahog...@gmail.com > 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 



Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 2:04:48 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] We're Drawing Closer to a Will Smith/Zoe Saldana 
'Harvey' 









I think that there is a large part of the audience that doesn't look beyond the 
cgi. I think that they are trained to do that in this country. (The monster 
truck, indy500, wrestling set) Outside of that we have everyone else that 
doesn't mind a nice explosion but want a plot to tie the explosions together. 
The problem is that there just havent been enough films to really teach 
american audiences how to watch a film with a plot. 


On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 10:56 PM, < wlro...@aol.com > wrote: 






That is not a bad idea, but this generation is more interested in computer 
graphics then a real good story line. 
--Lavender 




From: Martin Baxter 
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 7:40 AM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 



Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] We're Drawing Closer to a Will Smith/Zoe Saldana 
'Harvey' 





Whenever H'Wood remakes something, some moe-ronic person will say that 
it's being done "for this/the next generation" to appreciate. 

Why not sit the generation in question down and show them the *original*? Allow 
them to appreciate *it*? 






-[ Received Mail Content ]-- 
Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] We're Drawing Closer to a Will Smith/Zoe Saldana 
'Harvey' 
Date : Wed, 5 Aug 2009 22:05:07 -0700 
>From : "Mr. Worf" < hellomahog...@gmail.com > 
To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 

You think that is bad? They are starting to make fairy tales over now. 
First there is Alice in Wonderland, and they just announced that DiCaprio is 
making Little red riding hood. Hmm I wonder which will be next? Pinocchio or 
the three little pigs? 

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 8:32 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: 

> 
> 
> i just don't see the point of remaking the movie, no matter who's in the 
> lead. Lord I wish H'wood could just leave some properties alone! 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "brent wodehouse" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2009 2:46:28 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] We're Drawing Closer to a Will Smith/Zoe Saldana 
> 'Harvey' 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.movieline.com/2009/08/were-drawing-closer-to-a-will-smithzoe-saldana-harvey.php
>  
> 
> Predictions 
> 
> We're Drawing Closer to a Will Smith/Zoe Saldana Harvey 
> 
> Written by Kyle Buchanan | 05 Aug 2009 
> 
> Variety announced today that Tom Hanks has decided not to star in Steven 
> Spielberg’s remake of Harvey, avoiding exactly the kind of unwinnable and 
> unimaginative comparisons to Jimmy Stewart that we warned him against. So 
> what’s next for the project? We can guess! 
> 
> At this point, it seems utterly inevitable that Spielberg will tap Will 
> Smith to star - after all,