[SLUG] printing from mail
Hi all I've an application (Some cisco fax hardware) that on receipts of a fax sends it to a email address. What I need to do is find some way of printing those automatic to different printers depended on the incoming address. Does any one have a starting point for doing this I've had a google but have yet to come up with anything useful Thanks =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Jeff Allison [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ 8142658 Messenger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo Jeff Allison Mobile +44 410 502 702-- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Digital TV Tuner Cards On Linux?
Ben de Luca wrote: I have tried the 'tv_grab_au' from one list but did not work for me. Are you able to post the code for this script ? the python one from the list works. OK, this explains why my channel list does not work consistently. I am using the perl version. This is something new as far as I'm concerned, this python version. The weather web pages work but I get 'blank and black' screen when I switch to viewing TV channels. This is due to incorrect channels information in my MySQL MythTV database. There is NO 'tv_grab_au' from the de-facto http://www.xmltv.org server. I suspect because there is none that works consistently. There is no legal source here Yep, that's what I gathered from the list. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Re: Mandrake Installation and HDD Troubles
Hiya Brian, This may not be the answer, but I had a similar install problem the first time with Mandrake. In my instance, the CD drive slowed and stopped/stalled (I know you didn't mention this) The CD-ROM drive "seemed" okay, but when I replaced the CD-ROM drive for a newer one, the install was fine. Thought I'm mention this just in case... Additionally, I read once (somewhere), a suggestion to use a Live CD to see if the HDD can be access, in the event this is the problem. Regards, Patrick Brian wrote: Dear Sluggers, A friend has just emailed me. Can anybody help with this one please? Brian So far I've spent 8-10 hours, merely a long day, mucking about with a recalcitrant Mandrake re-install, and suddenly it came good, marvellous. Except at about item no. 99 of 100, it suddenly caved in and refused to co-operate further. Drat. Try to start again, and some of my further mucking about only made the hard disk worse, and it's a problem I can't find remarked on the Net and have never heard of before. Problem is that the hard drive won't boot from its installation CD as the hard drive says it's a failure to run from an ATAPI CDROM. Finally the drive protested by getting even worse, and it just fails to boot just after the BIOs readings finish, it leaves a capital "L" followed by a long series of 99 99 99 and no key will do anything at all if asks, the machine just hangs. Never heard of any of this. Gonna go on the Net now and have another look. So this is a case of a merely mucked up hard disk, no data loss (can you imagine the relief thereof!) - it's just a hard disk that won't take an install of anything, anymore, not even if I try to DOS-ify it and put a WIN95 CD in the machine. Nuffin. Just 99 99 99 -- == -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Visual Studio builds on Linux ?
On Thu, 2005-02-10 at 14:27 +1100, Jason Rennie wrote: > Hi all, > > We have a problem at work. We have developed some code under M$ Visual > Studio 2003 (bleech) and we need to get it to compile under linux (and > solaris and a couple of others). So this is just "normal" C, with no dependencies on the Windows API? Or is this code that requires a substantial chunk of Windows to run? When you say you need it to compile on Linux, is that to imply that you need it to *run* on Linux? If it's just compiling, then I heard a rumour that the "express" version (the compiler, without the IDE) of VS worked on Wine. If it's a case of turning your Windows app into a Linux app, winebuild might be the place to start. It generates a Makefile that uses wineg++ et al to build and link your program against winelib. It may or may not be able to do what you want, but it's worth a look. It's part of the standard wine tree. HTH, James. -- "There is no I in TEAM but there is an i in Ninja" -- http://www.ninjaburger.com/sekrit/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Visual Studio builds on Linux ?
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:27:00 +1100 Jason Rennie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, > > We have a problem at work. We have developed some code under M$ Visual > Studio 2003 (bleech) and we need to get it to compile under linux (and > solaris and a couple of others). > > Now we could just write make files and so on, but I was wondering. > Does anybody know of a tool that would allow us to use (or extract the > information from) the Visual Studio solution and get that to then > build on linux. > > Or am I doomed to have to write it all by hand ? You are doomed. I think MSVC can export a Makefile, but its a microsoft nmake specific Makefile that no other make will touch. I have a similar problem making sure libsndfile and libsamplerate compile on win32. The easiest solution for me is to use autoconf/automake/libtool which works ofor all major unices, MacOSX and Win32 using MinGW or Cygwin. This also allows me to completely avoid the whole MSVC catastrophe. Erik -- +---+ Erik de Castro Lopo [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Yes it's valid) +---+ "C++ is a language strongly optimized for liars and people who go by guesswork and ignorance." -- Erik Naggum -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] pax
> "Julio" == Julio Cesar Ody <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Julio> but fact is, I was taking a look now at the configure options Julio> for paxutils, and there is an option "--enable-pax". I thought Julio> that would solve the issue, but whenever I try to use this Julio> option, I get the following error messages on make: Julio> ../lib/libpu.a(makepath.o)(.text+0xa1): In function Julio> `make_path': /root/paxutils-2.4h/lib/makepath.c:384: undefined Julio> reference to `errno' Ah. You have a recent glibc. Add #include to makepath.c -- Dr Peter Chubb http://www.gelato.unsw.edu.au peterc AT gelato.unsw.edu.au The technical we do immediately, the political takes *forever* -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Visual Studio builds on Linux ?
Hi all, We have a problem at work. We have developed some code under M$ Visual Studio 2003 (bleech) and we need to get it to compile under linux (and solaris and a couple of others). Now we could just write make files and so on, but I was wondering. Does anybody know of a tool that would allow us to use (or extract the information from) the Visual Studio solution and get that to then build on linux. Or am I doomed to have to write it all by hand ? Jason -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Re:Digital TV Tuner Cards On Linux
Hi Shaun Check out http://www.itee.uq.edu.au/~chrisp/DVICO-Linux/ for drivers for HDTV DVB-T cards here in Oz. You need to know/learn how to compile a kernel before anything else. I have a DVico Fusion HDTV DVB-T card and haven;t got past the above step yet. If you manage, pleae post the info. Thanks Bill -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] pax
Thanks Matt, but fact is, I was taking a look now at the configure options for paxutils, and there is an option "--enable-pax". I thought that would solve the issue, but whenever I try to use this option, I get the following error messages on make: gcc -g -O2 -o pax pax.o cdf.o copyin.o copyout.o copypass.o defer.o fmtcpio.o fmttar.o format.o getfile.o global.o rename.o util.o rtapelib.o ../lib/libpu.a ../lib/libpu.a(makepath.o)(.text+0xa1): In function `make_path': /root/paxutils-2.4h/lib/makepath.c:384: undefined reference to `errno' ../lib/libpu.a(makepath.o)(.text+0xc4):/root/paxutils-2.4h/lib/makepath.c:379: undefined reference to `errno' ../lib/libpu.a(makepath.o)(.text+0x299):/root/paxutils-2.4h/lib/makepath.c:283: undefined reference to `errno' ../lib/libpu.a(makepath.o)(.text+0x2f1):/root/paxutils-2.4h/lib/makepath.c:262: undefined reference to `errno' ../lib/libpu.a(makepath.o)(.text+0x489):/root/paxutils-2.4h/lib/makepath.c:347: undefined reference to `errno' ../lib/libpu.a(makepath.o)(.text+0x4fa):/root/paxutils-2.4h/lib/makepath.c:332: more undefined references to `errno' follow collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make[2]: *** [pax] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/root/paxutils-2.4h/src' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/paxutils-2.4h' make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2 This only happens when I compile paxutils using the forementioned option. Any help is appreciated. Cheers. On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:52:05 +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 05:54:30PM +1100, Julio Cesar Ody wrote: > > Hello list, > > > > Does anybody know a download link for pax (the archiving system, > > source code or slackware package)? I found paxutils on GNU project > > page, but it doesn't contain the software itself. > > Really? That's odd. > > You may want to look at the latest tarutils, that > project is merging with paxutils. > > Matt > -- Julio C. Ody http://rootshell.be/~julioody -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS/SS/CC d@ s: a? C++(+++) ULB+++$ P L+++$ !E W++(+++) N+ !o K- !w O- M V- PS+ PE Y+ PGP++(-) t 5 X R+ tv-- b++ DI-- D+ G++ e h r+ y++* --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Prblem with bash and rsync
On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 12:14:48PM +1100, Jobst Schmalenbach wrote: > I dont quite understand why (maybe I am to much thinking of perls > and phps eval stuff) especially if I read bash's man page which > does not mention anything about what you suggested. True, it is pretty obscure. Bash thinks of everything in tokens, and only evaluates things once. Usually a token is separated by a space, but putting quotes (") around the string changes that rule. So take the example below AVARIABLE="this is" VAR="$AVARIABLE \"a string\"" bash goes through and evaluates VAR *once* according to it's rules which, in this case leaves VAR looking like (tokens separated by a |) |this|is|"a|string"| you need to "re-evaluate" this to convert it to |this|is|a string| > Further if I consider > > --exclude \"\"Temporary Internet Files\"\" > > which after the shell got it should(?) be > > --exclude \"Temporary Internet Files\" No, bash will convert that to ""Temporary Internet Files"" which is also wrong. > and further if I pass a construct to other > util they are still "kept together", eg: > > $MKDIR \"this is a spacy name\" yes, because \"this is a spacy name\" will be evaulated by bash and hence form a single token. -i [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gelato.unsw.edu.au signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Mandrake Installation and HDD Troubles
Brian Robson wrote: Dear Sluggers, A friend has just emailed me. Can anybody help with this one please? Brian So far I've spent 8-10 hours, merely a long day, mucking about with a recalcitrant Mandrake re-install, and suddenly it came good, marvellous. Except at about item no. 99 of 100, it suddenly caved in and refused to co-operate further. Drat. Try to start again, and some of my further mucking about only made the hard disk worse, and it's a problem I can't find remarked on the Net and have never heard of before. Problem is that the hard drive won't boot from its installation CD as the hard drive says it's a failure to run from an ATAPI CDROM. Finally the drive protested by getting even worse, and it just fails to boot just after the BIOs readings finish, it leaves a capital "L" followed by a long series of 99 99 99 and no key will do anything at all if asks, the machine just hangs. Never heard of any of this. Gonna go on the Net now and have another look. So this is a case of a merely mucked up hard disk, no data loss (can you imagine the relief thereof!) - it's just a hard disk that won't take an install of anything, anymore, not even if I try to DOS-ify it and put a WIN95 CD in the machine. Nuffin. Just 99 99 99 -- == sounds like either the ide controller is screwed or the HDD is stuffed. Most likely the latter. With prices these days, throw it out and get a new hdd. Fil -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Digital TV Tuner Cards On Linux?
I have tried the 'tv_grab_au' from one list but did not work for me. Are you able to post the code for this script ? the python one from the list works. There is NO 'tv_grab_au' from the de-facto http://www.xmltv.org server. I suspect because there is none that works consistently. There is no legal source here -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Sun Regional Delegate Program for linux.conf.au 2005
I'm forwarding this as it may be of relevance to many SLUG people or people that know SLUG people ;-) -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 18:24:17 +1100 From: LCA 2005 Sun Regional Delegate Program <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Announce] Sun Regional Delegate Program for linux.conf.au 2005 Hello all. As with previous LCAs, Sun Microsystems has kindly offered to sponsor the Regional Delegates Program (RDP) for LCA 2005. For the LCA 2005 RDP, there will be ten winners: one from each of the Australian states and territories; a national winner; and a winner representing New Zealand. Each of these winners will recieve: - transport to LCA 2005 - accomodation - professional registration at the conference (including all the normal things which come with that) - special recognition as a RDP winner Additionally, LCA provides an important mechanism for developers to network with each other, and the RDP winners will have excellent opportunities to further their open source projects. This is the first year that New Zealand has been included in the competition, which has prompted some changes in how the RDP is being run this year. The timetable for the RDP is as follows: - entrants should draft a 100 word or less description of how the open source community would benefit from their presence at LCA 2005 - these should be emailed to [EMAIL PROTECTED], including an indication of where the entrant lives by midnight, Friday the 18th of February 2005 [1]. - the winners will be announced by the end of February and travel will be arranged. - RDP winners attend the conference and have a great time If a winner has already registered for the conference, then a refund of that registration will be provided. We look forward to many interesting entries, The LCA 2005 team 1: The information about where you live will be used solely for judging the competition, and will then be destroyed. ___ announce mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.linux.org.au/listinfo/announce -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Mandrake Installation and HDD Troubles
Dear Sluggers, A friend has just emailed me. Can anybody help with this one please? Brian So far I've spent 8-10 hours, merely a long day, mucking about with a recalcitrant Mandrake re-install, and suddenly it came good, marvellous. Except at about item no. 99 of 100, it suddenly caved in and refused to co-operate further. Drat. Try to start again, and some of my further mucking about only made the hard disk worse, and it's a problem I can't find remarked on the Net and have never heard of before. Problem is that the hard drive won't boot from its installation CD as the hard drive says it's a failure to run from an ATAPI CDROM. Finally the drive protested by getting even worse, and it just fails to boot just after the BIOs readings finish, it leaves a capital "L" followed by a long series of 99 99 99 and no key will do anything at all if asks, the machine just hangs. Never heard of any of this. Gonna go on the Net now and have another look. So this is a case of a merely mucked up hard disk, no data loss (can you imagine the relief thereof!) - it's just a hard disk that won't take an install of anything, anymore, not even if I try to DOS-ify it and put a WIN95 CD in the machine. Nuffin. Just 99 99 99 -- == -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Digital TV Tuner Cards On Linux?
Kevin Saenz wrote: Read the ff. info so very carefully before expending time and money on this intended project. http://www.schlesinger.us/nf20031230.htm It appears that this Schlesinger is a bit of a dolt. a couple of weeks to built a mythtv box, Yeah right! It took me less than a day. This guy seems to be a complete noobie to linux in the first instance. I got mythtv running on Mandrake10. and 10.1 I used the CVS as opposed to the tarballs, at the moment I am considering Gentoo as the next step. I can see a couple of weeks in the gentoo part, that is understandable. He started off with SuSE, who in their right mind would use SuSE for multimedia, they don't ship codecs because it breaches their license. Are you able to provide us with your 'HOWTO Mythtv' ? I know you've said there are a number of success stories on MythTV posted on this list, but I have not seen a 'HOWTO Mythtv' that can be replicated to authenticate these claims. It is one thing to claim something but another to get authentications for these claims. I'd like to replicate it to see if it works for me without too much of a hassle, as you seem to have done, even if involves costs of additional hardware and software. I have tried the 'tv_grab_au' from one list but did not work for me. Are you able to post the code for this script ? There is NO 'tv_grab_au' from the de-facto http://www.xmltv.org server. I suspect because there is none that works consistently. I am not an apologist for anyone. But just because it took him a couple of weeks to build a mythtv box would not justify slandering his name. Especially, he is not around to respond. He has detailed his procedure to show good faith and professional honesty, now you owe it to him and to this lists to detail yours after slandering a person's name. I found his resume here: http://www.schlesinger.us/aboutlee.htm -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Prblem with bash and rsync
On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 10:59:53AM +1100, Ian Wienand ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 10:40:45AM +1100, Jobst Schmalenbach wrote: > > COMMAND="$RSYNC -rlptgoD --delete --delete-excluded --exclude .snapshot > > --exclude \"Temporary Internet Files\" /$d/ $TARGET" > > if [ $DEBUG == 1 ]; then $ECHO $COMMAND; fi > > $COMMAND > > Try using eval around this, e.g. > > eval $COMMAND > > You need bash to re-evaluate those quotes so it understands it should > be one argument. THANK YOU ! *** I dont quite understand why (maybe I am to much thinking of perls and phps eval stuff) especially if I read bash's man page which does not mention anything about what you suggested. Further if I consider --exclude \"\"Temporary Internet Files\"\" which after the shell got it should(?) be --exclude \"Temporary Internet Files\" and further if I pass a construct to other util they are still "kept together", eg: $MKDIR \"this is a spacy name\" But thank you, its working ... jobst -- The email address in this email is used for Mailing Lists Only. Please reply to the list email address ONLY, do not reply to the email directly, it is piped into /dev/null if its not received from a mailing list email address. Be gentle with the earth. __, Jobst Schmalenbach, Technical Director _ _.--'-n_/ Barrett Consulting Group P/L & The Meditation Room P/L -(_)--(_)= +61 3 9532 7677, POBox 277, Caulfield South, 3162, Australia -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Incremental Backup Script
On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 10:47:59AM +1100, Lyle Chapman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Can anyone point me to a good backup script or program that does incremental backups? I have a particluar directory I want to backup to an external firewire drive every night. http://bandcamp.tv/quickbackup Might be of use, depending on your needs -- Tony Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] WRT54g Speedboost ?
> (I'm sort of thinking about getting for own use a WLAN;) > > looking at Linksys range, I see they now have WRT54G as well as WRT54G > with 'Speedboost' how relevant is the Speedboost thing once a 3rd party > firmware is applied to the device ? More flash and more RAM. Good for hacking. :-) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2005: Canberra, Australiahttp://linux.conf.au/ All this self-centred cock-handling is totally where it's at. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Digital TV Tuner Cards On Linux?
> Read the ff. info so very carefully before expending time and money > on this intended project. > > http://www.schlesinger.us/nf20031230.htm It appears that this Schlesinger is a bit of a dolt. a couple of weeks to built a mythtv box, Yeah right! It took me less than a day. This guy seems to be a complete noobie to linux in the first instance. I got mythtv running on Mandrake10. and 10.1 I used the CVS as opposed to the tarballs, at the moment I am considering Gentoo as the next step. I can see a couple of weeks in the gentoo part, that is understandable. He started off with SuSE, who in their right mind would use SuSE for multimedia, they don't ship codecs because it breaches their license. > > The endeavour is even more hazardous here in Australia. There is > no working 'tv_grab_au' from the official xmltv software up-to-now > AFAIK. You will discover this when you get to 'Zap2it' a tv > program listing site that does not provide you correctly with the list of > service providers here in Australia. By this time it will be too late as > you probably have bought the hardware and spent tremendous hours > following the HOWTO (http://www.mythtv.info; I beg to differ there there is a tv_grab_au and it works fine. I would recommend Linux users to use mythtv, it is in my case (wifeproof), and (kid proof I have a 4 and 3 yr old) who can manage the interface to play their favourite movies and channels. > http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php). I have Fedora Core 2. ReHat > is the primary platform supported in this HOWTO. Also it is required > you have KDE instead of GNOME, which is excellent because I > am into Kolab Servers (http://kolab.org) for many customers. Incidentally, > I am gradually shifting all workstations and servers to KDE. > > To get a sense of the issues involve, check the postings here: > > http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?showtopic=52&hl=#entry22169 > This is a once off configuration requirement. You don't have to memorise the hz setting of every channel. > But in the end, if learning specifically about linux kernel, device drivers, > compilation, installations, mysql, and lots of fun things about linux is of > paramount benefit to you, then, it is worth the time and money to plunge > into this project. But I for one would not do it for getting the > pleasure of > having a TIVO-like service. It seems like the most attractive part of tivo will be removed pretty soon, as it is illegal to cut commercials in the US and under the FTA it will come here. > > I have FusionHDTV DV3-T that I installed on my TEST server with > heaps of CPU power and memory and heaps of storage (over a terabyte) > that works off-and-on requiring lots of maintenance work. I've given up > on this since Dec, 2004 and hope to get back to it when time permits. > > If you simply wish to get the pleasure of digital tv recording, editing, > and controlling, then get commercial TIVO, at least for now. You can't knock it until you have tried it. Mythtv works beautifully if you know the capabilities and limitations of the distro you have chosen then Mythtv will work for you. So far you have given only 1 lame example of failure. I know of a lot more success stories and most of them are in the slug list. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] WRT54g Speedboost ?
(I'm sort of thinking about getting for own use a WLAN;) looking at Linksys range, I see they now have WRT54G as well as WRT54G with 'Speedboost' how relevant is the Speedboost thing once a 3rd party firmware is applied to the device ? -- Voytek -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Digital TV Tuner Cards On Linux?
On 10/02/2005, at 11:04 AM, O Plameras wrote: Shaun Butler wrote: Hi SLUGgers Has anyone had much luck installing and using digital TV tuner card under Linx? My VCR died the other day and this might be the opporunity I need to move to recording TV shows onto my computer directly Shaun Hi Shaun, Read the ff. info so very carefully before expending time and money on this intended project. http://www.schlesinger.us/nf20031230.htm The endeavour is even more hazardous here in Australia. There is no working 'tv_grab_au' from the official xmltv software up-to-now AFAIK. Nope but if you look on the mythtv user lists you will find a a python, and perl based grabbers that will function in sydney. It might not be strictly legal but thats between you and the web site its ripped from. You will discover this when you get to 'Zap2it' a tv program listing site that does not provide you correctly with the list of service providers here in Australia. zap2it is for the USA ... To get a sense of the issues involve, check the postings here: http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?showtopic=52&hl=#entry22169 But in the end, if learning specifically about linux kernel, device drivers, compilation, installations, mysql, and lots of fun things about linux is of paramount benefit to you, then, it is worth the time and money to plunge into this project. But I for one would not do it for getting the pleasure of having a TIVO-like service. Mythtv can steal lots of your time, there is a new release 0.17 that will be available soon with considerable updates to its DVB support. If you simply wish to get the pleasure of digital tv recording, editing, and controlling, then get commercial TIVO, at least for now. TIVO doesn't have an official guide data either, but you can just use cron or at to record programs if you dont want the who PVR package. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Digital TV Tuner Cards On Linux?
My boss is trying to get this exact service working under FreeBSD (Linux cannot be more difficult) with varying degree of success. He was talking to the authors of the TV-tuner card driver directly, they have been of tremendous help. I do know he has managed to run Myth??? (I think) under X-server, got the TV-tuner card to run, change channels, etc. None of this was exceptionally smooth, but was not difficult either. I know the TIVO-like software he runs can get the TV listings for free-to-air channels off the net, as well as weather reports, news, etc. He was still struggling to get the IR to work, improve TV reception and the compression quality, etc... I can try and get more information if necessary. As the previous poster has said, be careful of what you buy, do your research before hand. See if you can get a good returns policy, because driver availability/quality on Linux can be a very tricky proposition. I would suggest coming up with a list of cards and checking the forums to see how helpful the authors of drivers for these cards are, because if you run into issues you will definedly want to have a card which has a very vibrant community following. Cheers, Marek Wawrzyczny On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:04, O Plameras wrote: > Shaun Butler wrote: > > Hi SLUGgers > > > > Has anyone had much luck installing and using digital TV tuner card > > under Linx? My VCR died the other day and this might be the opporunity > > I need to move to recording TV shows onto my computer directly > > > > Shaun > > Hi Shaun, > > Read the ff. info so very carefully before expending time and money > on this intended project. > > http://www.schlesinger.us/nf20031230.htm > > The endeavour is even more hazardous here in Australia. There is > no working 'tv_grab_au' from the official xmltv software up-to-now > AFAIK. You will discover this when you get to 'Zap2it' a tv > program listing site that does not provide you correctly with the list of > service providers here in Australia. By this time it will be too late as > you probably have bought the hardware and spent tremendous hours > following the HOWTO (http://www.mythtv.info; > http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php). I have Fedora Core 2. ReHat > is the primary platform supported in this HOWTO. Also it is required > you have KDE instead of GNOME, which is excellent because I > am into Kolab Servers (http://kolab.org) for many customers. Incidentally, > I am gradually shifting all workstations and servers to KDE. > > To get a sense of the issues involve, check the postings here: > > http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?showtopic=52&hl=#entry22169 > > But in the end, if learning specifically about linux kernel, device > drivers, compilation, installations, mysql, and lots of fun things about > linux is of paramount benefit to you, then, it is worth the time and money > to plunge into this project. But I for one would not do it for getting the > pleasure of > having a TIVO-like service. > > I have FusionHDTV DV3-T that I installed on my TEST server with > heaps of CPU power and memory and heaps of storage (over a terabyte) > that works off-and-on requiring lots of maintenance work. I've given up > on this since Dec, 2004 and hope to get back to it when time permits. > > If you simply wish to get the pleasure of digital tv recording, editing, > and controlling, then get commercial TIVO, at least for now. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Prblem with bash and rsync
have you tried --exclude 'Temporary Internet Files' ? I don't think escape characters will work the way you want in a bash script. the other way to exclude it send it to an exclude file which will cut down the command line to something a little more managable. > > all, > > I have a weird problem with a bash script and rsync (its a snapshot style > backup script). > > Somewhere in the script I create the command: > > ... > ... > COMMAND="$RSYNC -rlptgoD --delete --delete-excluded --exclude .snapshot > --exclude \"Temporary Internet Files\" /$d/ $TARGET" > if [ $DEBUG == 1 ]; then $ECHO $COMMAND; fi > $COMMAND > ... > ... > > Now if I execute the command (which is displayed by the debug statement) using > copy and paste into a XTERM it works. > If I take out the --exclude "Temporary Internet Files" it works. > > But if I run the command through the script I get: > > Rsyncing /home/rsa/ /root/test/home/rsa/hourly.0 > /usr/bin/rsync -rlptgoD --delete --delete-excluded --exclude .snapshot > --exclude "Temporary Internet Files" /home/rsa/ /root/test/home/rsa/hourly.0 > link_stat "/usr/local/backup/Internet" failed: No such file or directory > IO error encountered - skipping file deletion > rsync error: some files could not be transferred (code 23) at main.c(633) > Error rsyncing home/rsa > > Now I have tried: > > --exclude \"\"Temporary Internet Files\"\" > --exclude Temporary\ Internet\ Files > --exclude \"Temporary\ Internet\ Files\" > > and many other ways. > > Any ideas anyone > > jobst > -- > do not email me directly, email to this account must come from mailing lists! > all other mail is placed into /dev/null > > "There are three kinds of lies: Lies, Damn lies, and statistics." - Disraeli > > > __, Jobst Schmalenbach, Technical Director >_ _.--'-n_/ Barrett Consulting Group P/L & The Meditation Room P/L > -(_)--(_)= +61 3 9532 7677, POBox 277, Caulfield South, 3162, Australia > -- > SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ > Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html > -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Digital TV Tuner Cards On Linux?
Shaun Butler wrote: Hi SLUGgers Has anyone had much luck installing and using digital TV tuner card under Linx? My VCR died the other day and this might be the opporunity I need to move to recording TV shows onto my computer directly Shaun Hi Shaun, Read the ff. info so very carefully before expending time and money on this intended project. http://www.schlesinger.us/nf20031230.htm The endeavour is even more hazardous here in Australia. There is no working 'tv_grab_au' from the official xmltv software up-to-now AFAIK. You will discover this when you get to 'Zap2it' a tv program listing site that does not provide you correctly with the list of service providers here in Australia. By this time it will be too late as you probably have bought the hardware and spent tremendous hours following the HOWTO (http://www.mythtv.info; http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php). I have Fedora Core 2. ReHat is the primary platform supported in this HOWTO. Also it is required you have KDE instead of GNOME, which is excellent because I am into Kolab Servers (http://kolab.org) for many customers. Incidentally, I am gradually shifting all workstations and servers to KDE. To get a sense of the issues involve, check the postings here: http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?showtopic=52&hl=#entry22169 But in the end, if learning specifically about linux kernel, device drivers, compilation, installations, mysql, and lots of fun things about linux is of paramount benefit to you, then, it is worth the time and money to plunge into this project. But I for one would not do it for getting the pleasure of having a TIVO-like service. I have FusionHDTV DV3-T that I installed on my TEST server with heaps of CPU power and memory and heaps of storage (over a terabyte) that works off-and-on requiring lots of maintenance work. I've given up on this since Dec, 2004 and hope to get back to it when time permits. If you simply wish to get the pleasure of digital tv recording, editing, and controlling, then get commercial TIVO, at least for now. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Prblem with bash and rsync
On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 10:40:45AM +1100, Jobst Schmalenbach wrote: > COMMAND="$RSYNC -rlptgoD --delete --delete-excluded --exclude .snapshot > --exclude \"Temporary Internet Files\" /$d/ $TARGET" > if [ $DEBUG == 1 ]; then $ECHO $COMMAND; fi > $COMMAND Try using eval around this, e.g. eval $COMMAND You need bash to re-evaluate those quotes so it understands it should be one argument. -i [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gelato.unsw.edu.au signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Incremental Backup Script
On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 10:47:59AM +1100, Lyle Chapman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Can anyone point me to a good backup script or program that does > incremental backups? > > I have a particluar directory I want to backup to an external firewire > drive every night. goto http://rsync.samba.org and see the "examples" and "resources". You find enoguh there to get started. jobst -- The email address in this email is used for Mailing Lists Only. Please reply to the list email address ONLY, do not reply to the email directly, it is piped into /dev/null if its not received from a mailing list email address. Educational software is like Science Fiction. It doesn't have to work, just look good. __, Jobst Schmalenbach, Technical Director _ _.--'-n_/ Barrett Consulting Group P/L & The Meditation Room P/L -(_)--(_)= +61 3 9532 7677, POBox 277, Caulfield South, 3162, Australia -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Prblem with bash and rsync
all, I have a weird problem with a bash script and rsync (its a snapshot style backup script). Somewhere in the script I create the command: ... ... COMMAND="$RSYNC -rlptgoD --delete --delete-excluded --exclude .snapshot --exclude \"Temporary Internet Files\" /$d/ $TARGET" if [ $DEBUG == 1 ]; then $ECHO $COMMAND; fi $COMMAND ... ... Now if I execute the command (which is displayed by the debug statement) using copy and paste into a XTERM it works. If I take out the --exclude "Temporary Internet Files" it works. But if I run the command through the script I get: Rsyncing /home/rsa/ /root/test/home/rsa/hourly.0 /usr/bin/rsync -rlptgoD --delete --delete-excluded --exclude .snapshot --exclude "Temporary Internet Files" /home/rsa/ /root/test/home/rsa/hourly.0 link_stat "/usr/local/backup/Internet" failed: No such file or directory IO error encountered - skipping file deletion rsync error: some files could not be transferred (code 23) at main.c(633) Error rsyncing home/rsa Now I have tried: --exclude \"\"Temporary Internet Files\"\" --exclude Temporary\ Internet\ Files --exclude \"Temporary\ Internet\ Files\" and many other ways. Any ideas anyone jobst -- do not email me directly, email to this account must come from mailing lists! all other mail is placed into /dev/null "There are three kinds of lies: Lies, Damn lies, and statistics." - Disraeli __, Jobst Schmalenbach, Technical Director _ _.--'-n_/ Barrett Consulting Group P/L & The Meditation Room P/L -(_)--(_)= +61 3 9532 7677, POBox 277, Caulfield South, 3162, Australia -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] diffstat, Ctrl-R, pushd/popd
Hey, this is a fun game! On Wed, 2005-02-09 at 22:33 +1100, Angus Lees wrote: > At Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:42:31 +1100, Ben Leslie wrote: > > 1/ Ctrl-R history searching > > > > When using the shell you pretty quickly work out that pressing up will > > search > > backwards through you history, however it tooks me ages to find out that > > you > > could search backs through the history by typing Ctrl-R and a search string. > > One of my favourite is M-. (thats alt or maybe windows key and > full-stop) I've put this: bind "\C-b":vi-bWord bind "\C-f":vi-fWord in my .bashrc to let me use ctrl-f/b to move forward and backwards words. It was recently pointed out to me though that you can actually do this with alt-f/b without any .bashrc modification at all. Also, this: alias screen='screen -e^\`\`' makes the 'screen key' ctrl-~, which means I don't go crazy every time I try to go to the start of a line with ctrl-a in a screen session. Keep this stuff coming. It makes my life easier! James. -- "There is no I in TEAM but there is an i in Ninja" -- http://www.ninjaburger.com/sekrit/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] cdc_acm wart warthog
Hi SLUG, has anyone been able to get a cdc_acm modem working in Warty. The Ubuntu forums don't look promising on this topic I am just running the stock kernel from the Install CD and wondering if anyone has any success on a more recent kernel Thanks -- James -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Digital TV Tuner Cards On Linux?
> Has anyone had much luck installing and using digital TV tuner card under > Linx? My VCR died the other day and this might be the opporunity I need to > move to recording TV shows onto my computer directly Yes, it is a bit murky in terms of documentation, but once it's going (and configured with channel information), it's very nice. HDTV is pretty crazy. There are good models available at low prices now, check the Linux DVB site and Google to make sure you get one that works well with Linux. :-) - Jeff [1] http://www.linuxtv.org/dvb/ -- linux.conf.au 2005: Canberra, Australiahttp://linux.conf.au/ "PHP, when it first came out, didn't really have any merits, and many claim it still doesn't, but it filled a void where a simple tool to perform a simple task was needed." - Rasmus Lerdorf -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Digital TV Tuner Cards On Linux?
Hi SLUGgers Has anyone had much luck installing and using digital TV tuner card under Linx? My VCR died the other day and this might be the opporunity I need to move to recording TV shows onto my computer directly Shaun -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ASX website
On Thu, 2005-02-10 at 00:46 +1100, Indelible wrote: > On the ASX website (www.asx.com.au) they have a menu made up of round > icons at the top of the page. However, this menu works with neither > firefox nor mozilla even though javascript is enabled. The menuicons > 'highlight' on mouseover but on clicking them nothing happens. In the > statusbar of the browser it says "javascript:void(0)". > I've seen this in several other places as well and was always wondering > if there is some setting I've got to correct or what. If you are clicking with the right mouse button to open on a new tab, don't. If you simply click it may open a new window. This happens on news.com.au when you click on photo links, like an emmy award slideshow. -- Ken Foskey OpenOffice.org developer -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] ASX website
On the ASX website (www.asx.com.au) they have a menu made up of round icons at the top of the page. However, this menu works with neither firefox nor mozilla even though javascript is enabled. The menuicons 'highlight' on mouseover but on clicking them nothing happens. In the statusbar of the browser it says "javascript:void(0)". I've seen this in several other places as well and was always wondering if there is some setting I've got to correct or what. Anybody? Matt. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] diffstat, Ctrl-R, pushd/popd
With bash:- My typing is pretty poor, and I make a lot of typos The substitution feature is some thing I use really frequently so I type :>: scream (oops) >: ^am^en screen (yay) On 09/02/2005, at 11:03 PM, Gottfried Szing wrote: 1/ Ctrl-R history searching When using the shell you pretty quickly work out that pressing up will search backwards through you history, however it tooks me ages to find out that you could search backs through the history by typing Ctrl-R and a search string. One of my favourite is M-. (thats alt or maybe windows key and full-stop) That will cycle through the last word on the last commands. for those who are using the bash a nice list of shortcuts: http://hajek.stat.ubc.ca/~harry/local/bash.html cu -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] diffstat, Ctrl-R, pushd/popd
>> 1/ Ctrl-R history searching >> >> When using the shell you pretty quickly work out that pressing up will >> search backwards through you history, however it tooks me ages to find >> out that you could search backs through the history by typing Ctrl-R >> and a search string. > > One of my favourite is M-. (thats alt or maybe windows key and > full-stop) > > That will cycle through the last word on the last commands. for those who are using the bash a nice list of shortcuts: http://hajek.stat.ubc.ca/~harry/local/bash.html cu -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] diffstat, Ctrl-R, pushd/popd
At Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:42:31 +1100, Ben Leslie wrote: > 1/ Ctrl-R history searching > > When using the shell you pretty quickly work out that pressing up will search > backwards through you history, however it tooks me ages to find out that you > could search backs through the history by typing Ctrl-R and a search string. One of my favourite is M-. (thats alt or maybe windows key and full-stop) That will cycle through the last word on the last commands. (Of course zsh has all sorts of exciting keys, but I won't turn this into a zsh-specific mail..) -- - Gus -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] pax
On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 05:54:30PM +1100, Julio Cesar Ody wrote: > Hello list, > > Does anybody know a download link for pax (the archiving system, > source code or slackware package)? I found paxutils on GNU project > page, but it doesn't contain the software itself. Really? That's odd. You may want to look at the latest tarutils, that project is merging with paxutils. Matt -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Priner compatability
Hi Which model of Lexmark do you have? Which distro of Linux are you running? It's possible that your distro is configured properly and thats why you're having problems... As for compatible laser printers, I have an HP Laserjet and that works just fine. IIRC HP open-sourced their drivers so have pretty good support. You may want to check out: http://www.linuxprinting.org/ to see what printers you are interested in and their level of support. I'd check out your Lexmark there too... Rob. On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 21:39:13 +1100, Russell Hudson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I found your details on a web search of Linux. I am hoping you can help > me with this query - I've just had Linux installed on my home computer > and am looking for a compatible printer. I have a Lexmark printer > currently installed but it does not work well with Linux. > > Can you advise on a make of printer that is compatible with the Linux > operating system, or even a particular model of mono laser printer, > hopefully for less than $350? > > Thanks for any advice you can give. > > Russell Hudson > > -- > SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ > Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html > -- Rob Sharp e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: quannum.co.uk j: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Priner compatability
Have a look at http://www.linuxprinting.org/suggested.html for some suggested printers. I've never had a problem with my HP printers. On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 21:39:13 +1100, Russell Hudson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I found your details on a web search of Linux. I am hoping you can help > me with this query - I've just had Linux installed on my home computer > and am looking for a compatible printer. I have a Lexmark printer > currently installed but it does not work well with Linux. > > Can you advise on a make of printer that is compatible with the Linux > operating system, or even a particular model of mono laser printer, > hopefully for less than $350? > > Thanks for any advice you can give. > > Russell Hudson -- Menno Schaaf aka ginji irc.austnet.org #gentoo #linux-help irc.ifirc.net #linux -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Priner compatability
Russell Hudson wrote: Can you advise on a make of printer that is compatible with the Linux operating system, or even a particular model of mono laser printer, hopefully for less than $350? Hi Russell, You can find a database of compatible printers from www.linuxprinting.org. I would tend to recommend the HP laserjets, I am pretty sure the 1015 works with linux. OK, I checked that myself and it only works partially due to some firmware bug. bugger. so maybe you are stuck with a kyocera fs1010. they work ok as printers and will work fine in linux. http://linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Kyocera-FS-1010 tho that would be $475 worth of printer. maybe with some digging and cross referencing to computer vendor sites you can do better... cups would be the way to go. dave -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Converting adressbook.db to sxc
hai folks Ive been handed a challenge to turn the contacts address database in Evolution into a OpenOffice.org spreadsheet. The only things Im finding are filter scripts, for converting the addressbook.db file Evolution uses into text files for Thunderbird. Apparently you can export outlooks address/contacts to MS-Excel very easily. I remember there was some work being done to make Evolution and OOo work together and I was just wondering if anything came of it. Regards Richard Neal Kryten Cat: "Hey, I got it! We laser our way through!?" Kryten: "Ah, an excellent suggestion, Sir, with just two minor drawbacks. One, we don't have a power source for the lasers, and two, we don't have any lasers." - Cat and Kryten, White Hole ( Red Dwarf ) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Priner compatability
I found your details on a web search of Linux. I am hoping you can help me with this query - I've just had Linux installed on my home computer and am looking for a compatible printer. I have a Lexmark printer currently installed but it does not work well with Linux. Can you advise on a make of printer that is compatible with the Linux operating system, or even a particular model of mono laser printer, hopefully for less than $350? Thanks for any advice you can give. Russell Hudson -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] support for open source
Rob Sharp wrote: "Building a Kernel is a requirement for Securing Servers." - Oscar Plameras Oooh! Cheeky sig :-) James Gregory brilliantly characterized this with "..., I don't leave a crow-bar lying next to my car when I park it." Ref'd - http://lists.slug.org.au/archives/slug/2004/11/msg00215.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html