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Bill Maas wrote: > On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 10:47 +, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > >> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bill Maas writes: >> >> >>> I'm very much in favour of lifting the word Scraper into the official IT >>> jargon, [...] >>> >> You'd be years late for that :-) >> > > Believe it or not, but I got my first computer in July 1999. A Philips > 8088 PC running DOS 5. :-) > > Bill > > Wow :) You are a late bloomer :) /P ___ Soekris-tech mailing list Soekris-tech@lists.soekris.com http://lists.soekris.com/mailman/listinfo/soekris-tech
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On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 10:47 +, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bill Maas writes: > > >I'm very much in favour of lifting the word Scraper into the official IT > >jargon, [...] > > You'd be years late for that :-) Believe it or not, but I got my first computer in July 1999. A Philips 8088 PC running DOS 5. :-) Bill > -- "There is nothing to worry about" - unknown ___ Soekris-tech mailing list Soekris-tech@lists.soekris.com http://lists.soekris.com/mailman/listinfo/soekris-tech
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In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, =?UTF-8?B?TGFycyBOb29kw6lu?= writes:
>It was definitely big business in the mid-1990's: to put a web interface
>on top of old legacy systems, a middle layer mapped out X and Y
>coordinates of every character on the terminal and then 'scraped' what
>was in the expected spot.
Just to pull rank here: First time I did a scraper, it was written
in RM cobol, using a IBM 3274 communications package over named
pipes on a Zilog S8000 system, coupled up via a 4800 bps sync dial-up
half-duplex modem-line to the Danish State Radio's IBM mainframe.
The target of our desire was their record-collection database, and
they paid us to do it, because they wanted to use a bar-code scanner
to track materials in and out of the discoteque.
It worked fine for months, until december first, when their VTAM
wizards put a nice colored X-mas candle on the login-in screen,
overrunning the fixed size buffer in the 3274 emulations handling
of VTAM session openings ("What ? You can have a login-screen
which takes multiple packets ??!" as the telex from the US based
company who delivered the 3274 packaged replied).
The year must have been 1985 or 1986.
Poul-Henning
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Bill Maas wrote: > I'm very much in favour of lifting the word Scraper into the official IT > jargon... The term has been around for ages. I think I recall first hearing of it in the 1980's. It was definitely big business in the mid-1990's: to put a web interface on top of old legacy systems, a middle layer mapped out X and Y coordinates of every character on the terminal and then 'scraped' what was in the expected spot. If the old terminal-based interface changed or a mistake was made in the heuristics, then you got garbage. As an analogy, think about logging in without a display (of any kind) and blindly using the shell. It's that level of flailing about. -Lars ___ Soekris-tech mailing list Soekris-tech@lists.soekris.com http://lists.soekris.com/mailman/listinfo/soekris-tech
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In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bill Maas writes: >I'm very much in favour of lifting the word Scraper into the official IT >jargon, [...] You'd be years late for that :-) -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. ___ Soekris-tech mailing list Soekris-tech@lists.soekris.com http://lists.soekris.com/mailman/listinfo/soekris-tech
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On Sat, 2008-08-23 at 20:41 -0700, Daniel E. Hassler wrote: > The word harvester might be more appropriate. Sadly there are folks out > there harvesting email addresses and sending SPAM :( IMHO the word "scraper" does not only sound cooler, but it also has the appropriate negative ring to it in this case. Harvesting is a friendly business. Scraping on the the other hand implies considerable effort (as der Mouse pointed out), usually with no consideration for, or even at the expense of, others, and ultimately oneself. As in "scraping together a huge fortune", with Dickens' Scrooge as the prototype "scraper". Hacking hotmail dot com to obtain a million e-mail addresses at once is one thing, scouring unassuming mailing lists like this one for a few hundred e-mail addresses another, and definitely pathetic. I'm very much in favour of lifting the word Scraper into the official IT jargon, if it will make "those who scrape" - if only for a moment - a bit sad about themselves (it probably won't, though, because they're used to feeling that way). Bill > der Mouse wrote: > >>> Some @(*#$ idiot decided to write his own scraper and generated [so] > >>> many errors that the log partition ran full. > >>> > > > > > >> As English is not my mother tounge, I even ran "scraper" through a > >> dictionary. [...] > >> > > > > Here, "scraper" means an automated piece of software to gather up > > something from somewhere - usually, email addresses from webpages. > > (Why the name, I'm not sure. Perhaps derived from "scrape together", > > meaning approximately "gather", but with a connotation of difficulty; > > perhaps derived from the image of scraping something off something > > else, the way you might scrape frost off a window, or dried food off a > > stove.) > > > > /~\ The ASCII der Mouse > > \ / Ribbon Campaign > > X Against HTML[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B > > ___ > > Soekris-tech mailing list > > Soekris-tech@lists.soekris.com > > http://lists.soekris.com/mailman/listinfo/soekris-tech > > > > > > > ___ > Soekris-tech mailing list > Soekris-tech@lists.soekris.com > http://lists.soekris.com/mailman/listinfo/soekris-tech -- "There is nothing to worry about" - unknown ___ Soekris-tech mailing list Soekris-tech@lists.soekris.com http://lists.soekris.com/mailman/listinfo/soekris-tech
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In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Johannes Bauer writes: >Poul-Henning Kamp schrieb: > >> Some @(*#$ idiot decided to write his own scraper and generated to >> many errors that the log partition ran full. >> >> I hope everything is humming again now. > >I don't get it. As English is not my mother tounge, I even ran "scraper" >through a dictionary. Among the exactly 50 translations of which it can >mean in German (http://www.dict.cc/?s=scraper) there is not a single one >which would even remotely make sense. Would you mind explain what >happened there? Appearantly somebody wanted a private copy of the mailing-list archives and wrote a perl script to pick it out through the web-interface. In practice he couldn't code, so about 9 out of ten requests were in error. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. ___ Soekris-tech mailing list Soekris-tech@lists.soekris.com http://lists.soekris.com/mailman/listinfo/soekris-tech
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The word harvester might be more appropriate. Sadly there are folks out there harvesting email addresses and sending SPAM :( der Mouse wrote: >>> Some @(*#$ idiot decided to write his own scraper and generated [so] >>> many errors that the log partition ran full. >>> > > >> As English is not my mother tounge, I even ran "scraper" through a >> dictionary. [...] >> > > Here, "scraper" means an automated piece of software to gather up > something from somewhere - usually, email addresses from webpages. > (Why the name, I'm not sure. Perhaps derived from "scrape together", > meaning approximately "gather", but with a connotation of difficulty; > perhaps derived from the image of scraping something off something > else, the way you might scrape frost off a window, or dried food off a > stove.) > > /~\ The ASCII der Mouse > \ / Ribbon Campaign > X Against HTML [EMAIL PROTECTED] > / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B > ___ > Soekris-tech mailing list > Soekris-tech@lists.soekris.com > http://lists.soekris.com/mailman/listinfo/soekris-tech > > > ___ Soekris-tech mailing list Soekris-tech@lists.soekris.com http://lists.soekris.com/mailman/listinfo/soekris-tech
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> > >> Some @(*#$ idiot decided to write his own scraper and generated [so] > >> many errors that the log partition ran full. > > > As English is not my mother tounge, I even ran "scraper" through a > > dictionary. [...] > > Here, "scraper" means an automated piece of software to gather up > something from somewhere - usually, email addresses from webpages. > (Why the name, I'm not sure. Perhaps derived from "scrape together", > meaning approximately "gather", but with a connotation of difficulty; > perhaps derived from the image of scraping something off something > else, the way you might scrape frost off a window, or dried food off a > stove.) > When its relating to webpages, the entire term is "screen scraping". Your pulling up the web page as if it was a user, and "scraping" the data you need off it. I do this constantly with programs that go out, pull up a web page as if it was a user, pluck data depending on formatting or search strings, and then does other processing locally with it. I've found it very effective on dating and job websites. ;) Tuc ___ Soekris-tech mailing list Soekris-tech@lists.soekris.com http://lists.soekris.com/mailman/listinfo/soekris-tech
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>> Some @(*#$ idiot decided to write his own scraper and generated [so] >> many errors that the log partition ran full. > As English is not my mother tounge, I even ran "scraper" through a > dictionary. [...] Here, "scraper" means an automated piece of software to gather up something from somewhere - usually, email addresses from webpages. (Why the name, I'm not sure. Perhaps derived from "scrape together", meaning approximately "gather", but with a connotation of difficulty; perhaps derived from the image of scraping something off something else, the way you might scrape frost off a window, or dried food off a stove.) /~\ The ASCII der Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML[EMAIL PROTECTED] / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B ___ Soekris-tech mailing list Soekris-tech@lists.soekris.com http://lists.soekris.com/mailman/listinfo/soekris-tech
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On Sun, 24 Aug 2008, Johannes Bauer wrote: > Poul-Henning Kamp schrieb: > > Some @(*#$ idiot decided to write his own scraper and generated to > > many errors that the log partition ran full. > I don't get it. As English is not my mother tounge, I even ran "scraper" > through a dictionary. Among the exactly 50 translations of which it can > mean in German (http://www.dict.cc/?s=scraper) there is not a single one > which would even remotely make sense. Would you mind explain what > happened there? As in a device to remove frost from car windows or peeling paint from structures. In this case probably to "remove" e-mail addresses from mailing list archive web sites to add to a spammers database. The phrase scraping the bottom of the barrel also seems to apply well to that sort of activity. -Jed ___ Soekris-tech mailing list Soekris-tech@lists.soekris.com http://lists.soekris.com/mailman/listinfo/soekris-tech
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Poul-Henning Kamp schrieb: > Some @(*#$ idiot decided to write his own scraper and generated to > many errors that the log partition ran full. > > I hope everything is humming again now. I don't get it. As English is not my mother tounge, I even ran "scraper" through a dictionary. Among the exactly 50 translations of which it can mean in German (http://www.dict.cc/?s=scraper) there is not a single one which would even remotely make sense. Would you mind explain what happened there? Regards, Johannes ___ Soekris-tech mailing list Soekris-tech@lists.soekris.com http://lists.soekris.com/mailman/listinfo/soekris-tech
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0n Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 06:19:34PM -0500, Matt Lawrence wrote: >On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, Ronald L. Rosson Jr. wrote: > >> Just checking to see if there are any issues with the mailing list >> since I have not seen any posts in awhile. >> >> Please disregard if this makes it thru. > >My net4801 has been mounted to the closet wall and running fine for the >last couple of years, so I haven't had anything to talk about. I will >admit that the used 6GB drive I installed is still working fine. So everyone is now happy with their 5501s ? Is it safe to buy them now ? -aW IMPORTANT: This email remains the property of the Australian Defence Organisation and is subject to the jurisdiction of section 70 of the CRIMES ACT 1914. If you have received this email in error, you are requested to contact the sender and delete the email. ___ Soekris-tech mailing list Soekris-tech@lists.soekris.com http://lists.soekris.com/mailman/listinfo/soekris-tech
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On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, Ronald L. Rosson Jr. wrote: > Just checking to see if there are any issues with the mailing list > since I have not seen any posts in awhile. > > Please disregard if this makes it thru. My net4801 has been mounted to the closet wall and running fine for the last couple of years, so I haven't had anything to talk about. I will admit that the used 6GB drive I installed is still working fine. -- Matt It's not what I know that counts. It's what I can remember in time to use. ___ Soekris-tech mailing list Soekris-tech@lists.soekris.com http://lists.soekris.com/mailman/listinfo/soekris-tech
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In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Ronald L. Ros son Jr." writes: >Just checking to see if there are any issues with the mailing list >since I have not seen any posts in awhile. > >Please disregard if this makes it thru. Indeed the lists have been quiet. Some @(*#$ idiot decided to write his own scraper and generated to many errors that the log partition ran full. I hope everything is humming again now. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. ___ Soekris-tech mailing list Soekris-tech@lists.soekris.com http://lists.soekris.com/mailman/listinfo/soekris-tech
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Just checking to see if there are any issues with the mailing list since I have not seen any posts in awhile. Please disregard if this makes it thru. -Ron ___ Soekris-tech mailing list Soekris-tech@lists.soekris.com http://lists.soekris.com/mailman/listinfo/soekris-tech
