Re: [Standards] Announcing Slummit 2021

[Matthew Wild]

On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 at 22:12, Tedd Sterr  wrote:
> In lieu of an official Summit, I invite all interested parties to participate 
> in the unofficial Slummit!
>
> Reply in this thread with a few short paragraphs about what you've been 
> working on, participating in, any projects you feel others should be made 
> aware of, or anything XMPP-related that you think others would find 
> interesting. Feel free to include a link to a longer, more detailed 
> description elsewhere, but provide a digestible summary first.

Ok, here's my entry...

Just over 12 months ago I left full-time work to focus on building
Snikket[1], which I unveiled at FOSDEM last year. Snikket began as an
experiment to make a clean break from the way people currently see and
talk about XMPP, and present something refreshingly modern,
user-friendly and complete. Initial reception was a bit rocky - partly
because I made no attempt on the website to address people who already
know what XMPP is. I am squarely aiming at the other 99.9% of
potential users. Some of the more amusing comments I encountered
included that Snikket is "...just a rebranded Conversations",
"...Prosody's enterprise edition", and (best of all) "...slimy
marketing" (hey, I must be on to something!).

The reality is that I'm trying to tie together a fragmented ecosystem
into something that people can more easily talk about, relate to, and
recommend. To help people from XMPP/developer backgrounds understand
my thoughts behind the project, I gave a talk at FOSDEM this year
about what led me here, and wrote it up in a blog post[2] (which
actually made the front page of Hacker News last week and has received
quite a bit of traffic). Another useful resource for XMPP folk is our
roadmap[3].

Snikket builds upon the existing ecosystem, but it's absolutely not a
one-way thing. My goal is to improve and grow XMPP as a whole. It's
early days, but we've made a lot of progress. Since launch Snikket has
contributed to all upstream projects:

- Sponsored "easy onboarding" (XEP-0401 rev 0.3.0)/[4] in
Conversations, originally just for accepting invites to a service,
more recently to allow admins/users to invite new contacts from within
the app.
- Sponsored OMEMO support in MUC for Tigase's Siskin client for iOS [5]
- Contributed easy onboarding support on the server-side to Prosody [6]

Easy onboarding was not originally my idea (I think credit should go
to Georg Lukas and Marc Schink), but it is *amazing*. People in this
community vastly underestimate how hard it is for someone new to get
from hearing "you should use XMPP" to actually registering and signing
into an XMPP account. Easy onboarding/invites change all that. Because
of the invitation aspect, a lot of people mistakenly assume that
Snikket is some exclusive XMPP service (true story: I once got offered
$100 in exchange for a Snikket invite). The reality is that the only
Snikket service I run is for my family, and I encourage others to do
the same :)

As for the future... my goal is for Snikket to become financially
sustainable (through a mixture of donations/grants/paid services). But
it's nowhere near that right now, and almost everything achieved so
far has been an "investment" of personal savings (I'm actually keeping
an eye out for interesting/flexible/part-time work if anyone's
interested).

[1]: https://snikket.org/
[2]: https://snikket.org/blog/products-vs-protocols/
[3]: https://snikket.org/about/goals/
[4]: https://docs.modernxmpp.org/client/invites/
[5]: https://snikket.org/blog/sponsoring-group-omemo-in-siskin/
[6]: https://blog.prosody.im/great-invitations/
___
Standards mailing list
Info: https://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/standards
Unsubscribe: standards-unsubscr...@xmpp.org
___

Re: [Standards] Announcing Slummit 2021

[goffi]

Hello, is this virtual summit still at thing? I see that it's supposed 
to happen this week-end, but I see no activity either here on on summit@ 
MUC room.
I was willing to propose a short talk about what I've worked on lastly, 
and I can still do it if it's not too late, but I would like to be sure 
that it is still happening.


Thanks!
Goffi

P.S.: this should be probably on summit@ mailing list, but the original 
thread was here.


Le 2021-01-30 17:12, Tedd Sterr a écrit :

Due to forseen circumstances, this will be postponed until 20-21
February.

 I was trying to fit it into what would have been the usual Summit
time, but it was obviously a last minute idea and not really enough
time for people to prepare anything worthwhile. Since there's no
strict reason to keep with that time, I hope three weeks from now is
adequate; 20-21 is also a weekend, which I hope is preferable.

 I was asked whether content should be aimed at members & devs only -
I don't think there's any reason to limit it only to members, but I
think it's safe to assume some familiarity with XMPP. A separate event
for a wider, novice audience would be good for marketing, but this
isn't it.

 If anybody wants help, advice, suggestions for content, or "would
this be okay?" then I'll be available for discussion, brainstorming,
and talking nonsense.
___
Standards mailing list
Info: https://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/standards
Unsubscribe: standards-unsubscr...@xmpp.org
___

___
Standards mailing list
Info: https://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/standards
Unsubscribe: standards-unsubscr...@xmpp.org
___

Re: [Standards] Announcing Slummit 2021

[Mathieu Pasquet]

On 27.01.2021 22:01, Tedd Sterr wrote:

In lieu of an official Summit, I invite all interested parties to participate
in the unofficial Slummit!

Reply in this thread with a few short paragraphs about what you've been working
on, participating in, any projects you feel others should be made aware of, or
anything XMPP-related that you think others would find interesting. Feel free
to include a link to a longer, more detailed description elsewhere, but provide
a digestible summary first.

It doesn't need to be a well-edited masterpiece, and you don't have to
apologise for your less-than-perfect English, just get some words out and let
people know what's going on in the XMPP-world!

Additionally, if there's interest, I was considering organising a few voice/
video call mini-conferences for groups of 3-7 people (larger groups become a
communication burden), each focusing on a particular topic. (Dates 3-5 Feb,
times according to participants' availability.)




___
Standards mailing list
Info: https://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/standards
Unsubscribe: standards-unsubscr...@xmpp.org
___



Hi Ted,

Thanks for the initiative, here are my short paragraphs about what
I have been working on.


I have been working on Slixmpp lately, to the surprise of absolutely
nobody. I have strived to improve documentation by adding some
much-needed explanations of parts of the library and carving out
incorrect documentation that only worked with SleekXMPP. Updating pages
such as the event index, adding a plugin index, or changing the theme to
a more flexible one (with a dark mode!) was also part of that effort.

In the same vein, I have started to add some integration tests for
Slixmpp behavior and features, this doubles as examples of how the XEP
can be used and has already caught a fair number of possible
regressions. Writing them led me to re-think the workflows using
asynchronous code that are not optimal or even cumbersome, as many of
them are inherited from SleekXMPP, in which they made more sense. This
effort is still ongoing but should make Slixmpp more enjoyable and easy
to use in the long run.

On the feature front, I have added initial support for several recent
(or not-so-recent) XEPs, and in particular, I have started a MIX client
implementation that already provides basic functionality. I have to
thank the Tigase folks at xmpp.cloud for running a public MIX and
MIX-PAM-enabled server to test against.


This activity has led to two Slixmpp releases (1.6.0 [0] and 1.7.0 [1])
in recent months, and a new 1.8.0 version should land in a matter of
weeks.


[0] https://lab.louiz.org/poezio/slixmpp/-/releases#slix-1.6.0
[1] https://lab.louiz.org/poezio/slixmpp/-/releases#slix-1.7.0


Mathieu
--
(mathieui)


signature.asc
Description: PGP signature
___
Standards mailing list
Info: https://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/standards
Unsubscribe: standards-unsubscr...@xmpp.org
___

Re: [Standards] Announcing Slummit 2021

[Tedd Sterr]

I'd like to say yes, but there doesn't appear to be a lot of active interest.
If enough people are prepared to do talks then that would be great, but if 
there are only two then I'm not sure it's worth wasting those people's time and 
effort.

Maybe I should have made more noise about it and sent frequent reminders and 
encouragement.
I'm also aware that the past year has been draining for many and hasn't 
provided much in the way of motivation - this was partly an attempt to counter 
that by encouraging some engagement, though it also suffers from the same 
effects.

So, how many are willing and able to provide content?
Or shall we postpone it indefinitely, with a vague suggestion of picking it up 
at the end of the Summer?



From: Standards  on behalf of goffi 

Sent: 18 February 2021 16:10
To: XMPP Standards 
Subject: Re: [Standards] Announcing Slummit 2021

Hello, is this virtual summit still at thing? I see that it's supposed
to happen this week-end, but I see no activity either here on on summit@
MUC room.
I was willing to propose a short talk about what I've worked on lastly,
and I can still do it if it's not too late, but I would like to be sure
that it is still happening.

Thanks!
Goffi

P.S.: this should be probably on summit@ mailing list, but the original
thread was here.
___
Standards mailing list
Info: https://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/standards
Unsubscribe: standards-unsubscr...@xmpp.org
___

Re: [Standards] Announcing Slummit 2021

[Tedd Sterr]

Due to forseen circumstances, this will be postponed until 20-21 February.

I was trying to fit it into what would have been the usual Summit time, but it 
was obviously a last minute idea and not really enough time for people to 
prepare anything worthwhile. Since there's no strict reason to keep with that 
time, I hope three weeks from now is adequate; 20-21 is also a weekend, which I 
hope is preferable.

I was asked whether content should be aimed at members & devs only - I don't 
think there's any reason to limit it only to members, but I think it's safe to 
assume some familiarity with XMPP. A separate event for a wider, novice 
audience would be good for marketing, but this isn't it.

If anybody wants help, advice, suggestions for content, or "would this be 
okay?" then I'll be available for discussion, brainstorming, and talking 
nonsense.

___
Standards mailing list
Info: https://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/standards
Unsubscribe: standards-unsubscr...@xmpp.org
___

Re: [Standards] Announcing Slummit 2021

[Martin Dosch]

On 28.01.2021 09:28, Sam Whited wrote:

If we're streaming any of this for public consumption please let's also
stream it on YouTube. We need to meet people where they're at, and for
video streaming that's YouTube. We can of course do PeerTube too if
people want that, but most of the public are on YouTube.

—Sam


I agree on this. Afaik Jitsi-Meet is able to stream to YouTube so the 
people who are participating in the talk could join the Jitsi-Meet room 
and the audiance watch via YouTube.


In a recent training at my company we also had a good experience with 
muting all participants except the hosts and writing questions in the 
chat. One host who was not busy with the presentation was monitoring the 
chat, collecting questions and forwarding them to the presenter when it 
was suitable. Worked pretty good for us, maybe we could have a similar 
procedure with Jitsi-Meet, YouTube-Streaming and a MUC.


Best regards,
Martin


signature.asc
Description: PGP signature
___
Standards mailing list
Info: https://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/standards
Unsubscribe: standards-unsubscr...@xmpp.org
___

Re: [Standards] Announcing Slummit 2021

[goffi]

Le 2021-01-28 10:29, Dave Cridland a écrit :

On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 at 22:11, Tedd Sterr 
wrote:


In lieu of an official Summit, I invite all interested parties to
participate in the unofficial Slummit!

Reply in this thread with a few short paragraphs about what you've
been working on, participating in, any projects you feel others
should be made aware of, or anything XMPP-related that you think
others would find interesting. Feel free to include a link to a
longer, more detailed description elsewhere, but provide a
digestible summary first.


Great idea! I shall start writing one, and post it later.


Additionally, if there's interest, I was considering organising a
few voice/video call mini-conferences for groups of 3-7 people
(larger groups become a communication burden), each focusing on a
particular topic. (Dates 3-5 Feb, times according to participants'
availability.)


Can I suggest roadcast panel discussions instead? ie, lots of viewers,
few speakers?

Also are you going to participate, or just lurk in the background and
write excellent minutes?

Dave.
___
Standards mailing list
Info: https://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/standards
Unsubscribe: standards-unsubscr...@xmpp.org
___


Hi,

Maybe peertube (https://peer.tube/) could be used here ? I think it's 
doing live streaming now, and we can pre-record talks and have a 
questions sessions over a MUC room. Other option would be of course 
Jitsi Meet, depending of number of attendees.


I can write also a paragraph about what I'm working on, and would be 
interested to do a short talk too.


Regards
Goffi
___
Standards mailing list
Info: https://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/standards
Unsubscribe: standards-unsubscr...@xmpp.org
___

Re: [Standards] Announcing Slummit 2021

[Tedd Sterr]

Alright, short talks it is!

If you'd like to give a talk, record a presentation (slides & voice-over, or 
dancing in front of the camera if you prefer) of around 15-20 minutes, save it 
somewhere, and provide a link.

If for some reason you'd prefer to stream it live, we could arrange that, 
though I expect it's beneficial for people to be able to watch/pause/rewind at 
their leisure and it gives them chance to come up with useful questions.

I'll work out a schedule for Q&A sessions for each talk (and get 
slum...@muc.xmpp.org setup ..?)

___
Standards mailing list
Info: https://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/standards
Unsubscribe: standards-unsubscr...@xmpp.org
___

Re: [Standards] Announcing Slummit 2021

[Sam Whited]

If we're streaming any of this for public consumption please let's also
stream it on YouTube. We need to meet people where they're at, and for
video streaming that's YouTube. We can of course do PeerTube too if
people want that, but most of the public are on YouTube.

—Sam

On Thu, Jan 28, 2021, at 08:48, goffi wrote:
> Le 2021-01-28 10:29, Dave Cridland a écrit :
> > On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 at 22:11, Tedd Sterr 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> In lieu of an official Summit, I invite all interested parties to
> >> participate in the unofficial Slummit!
> >>
> >> Reply in this thread with a few short paragraphs about what you've
> >> been working on, participating in, any projects you feel others
> >> should be made aware of, or anything XMPP-related that you think
> >> others would find interesting. Feel free to include a link to a
> >> longer, more detailed description elsewhere, but provide a
> >> digestible summary first.
> >
> > Great idea! I shall start writing one, and post it later.
> >
> >> Additionally, if there's interest, I was considering organising a
> >> few voice/video call mini-conferences for groups of 3-7 people
> >> (larger groups become a communication burden), each focusing on a
> >> particular topic. (Dates 3-5 Feb, times according to participants'
> >> availability.)
> >
> > Can I suggest roadcast panel discussions instead? ie, lots of
> > viewers, few speakers?
> >
> > Also are you going to participate, or just lurk in the background
> > and write excellent minutes?
> >
> > Dave.
> > ___
> > Standards mailing list Info:
> > https://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/standards Unsubscribe: Standards-
> > unsubscr...@xmpp.org
> > ___
>
> Hi,
>
> Maybe peertube (https://peer.tube/) could be used here ? I think it's
> doing live streaming now, and we can pre-record talks and have a
> questions sessions over a MUC room. Other option would be of course
> Jitsi Meet, depending of number of attendees.
>
> I can write also a paragraph about what I'm working on, and would be
> interested to do a short talk too.
>
> Regards Goffi
> ___
> Standards mailing list Info:
> https://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/standards Unsubscribe: Standards-
> unsubscr...@xmpp.org
> ___
>

-- 
Sam Whited
___
Standards mailing list
Info: https://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/standards
Unsubscribe: standards-unsubscr...@xmpp.org
___

Re: [Standards] Announcing Slummit 2021

[Florian Schmaus]

On 1/28/21 10:29 AM, Dave Cridland wrote> On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 at 22:11, 
Tedd Sterr 
> wrote:

In lieu of an official Summit, I invite all interested parties to
participate in the unofficial Slummit!


Yeah \o/


Additionally, if there's interest, I was considering organising a
few voice/video call mini-conferences for groups of 3-7 people
(larger groups become a communication burden), each focusing on a
particular topic. (Dates 3-5 Feb, times according to participants'
availability.)


Can I suggest roadcast panel discussions instead? ie, lots of viewers, 
few speakers?


I second that. Working groups can anytime come together virtually. 
Irregardless of the summit. I am mostly interested in a stream of short 
15-20 min talks, where every talk is followed by a short 5-10 min QA 
session. I could image that this would potentially only consume half a 
day. The rest of the day could be used by people to gather in working 
groups.


- Florian



OpenPGP_signature
Description: OpenPGP digital signature
___
Standards mailing list
Info: https://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/standards
Unsubscribe: standards-unsubscr...@xmpp.org
___

Re: [Standards] Announcing Slummit 2021

[Dave Cridland]

On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 at 22:11, Tedd Sterr  wrote:

> In lieu of an official Summit, I invite all interested parties to
> participate in the unofficial Slummit!
>
> Reply in this thread with a few short paragraphs about what you've been
> working on, participating in, any projects you feel others should be made
> aware of, or anything XMPP-related that you think others would find
> interesting. Feel free to include a link to a longer, more detailed
> description elsewhere, but provide a digestible summary first.
>
>
Great idea! I shall start writing one, and post it later.


> Additionally, if there's interest, I was considering organising a few
> voice/video call mini-conferences for groups of 3-7 people (larger groups
> become a communication burden), each focusing on a particular topic. (Dates
> 3-5 Feb, times according to participants' availability.)
>

Can I suggest roadcast panel discussions instead? ie, lots of viewers, few
speakers?

Also are you going to participate, or just lurk in the background and write
excellent minutes?

Dave.
___
Standards mailing list
Info: https://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/standards
Unsubscribe: standards-unsubscr...@xmpp.org
___

[Standards] Announcing Slummit 2021

[Tedd Sterr]

In lieu of an official Summit, I invite all interested parties to participate 
in the unofficial Slummit!

Reply in this thread with a few short paragraphs about what you've been working 
on, participating in, any projects you feel others should be made aware of, or 
anything XMPP-related that you think others would find interesting. Feel free 
to include a link to a longer, more detailed description elsewhere, but provide 
a digestible summary first.

It doesn't need to be a well-edited masterpiece, and you don't have to 
apologise for your less-than-perfect English, just get some words out and let 
people know what's going on in the XMPP-world!

Additionally, if there's interest, I was considering organising a few 
voice/video call mini-conferences for groups of 3-7 people (larger groups 
become a communication burden), each focusing on a particular topic. (Dates 3-5 
Feb, times according to participants' availability.)

___
Standards mailing list
Info: https://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/standards
Unsubscribe: standards-unsubscr...@xmpp.org
___