Re: my apology to calek dude ...

[Daniel]

km wrote:

 i am quite annoy. i might even be ANGRY!!!

*** we start off by blaning him for something he has no control over.

SeaMonkey has been down the last 2 days!!! AND i
am blaming you!



Here we go againthis idiot trying to blame "calek dude" (cannot even 
be bothered enough to get the name right!!) for his SeaMonkey being down 
for the last 2 days.. but using SeaMonkey to report his problems 
with SeaMonkey.


Some people just ask to be ignored!!

How does it go!!.plonk!!

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Re: Why forms manager is removed from Seamonkey?

[Lucas Levrel]

Le 13 février 2012, nikolam a écrit :


I would like to ask somewhat rephrased question from some time ago,
since I need forms manager again to remember website form.

Why forms manager is removed from Seamonkey?


As I understood it, going from SM 1 to SM 2 changed the coding framework, 
and nobody could rewrite the form manager in the new one.



And how to get forms manager functionality back?


Use Autofill Forms. Take the "SM'ed version" by Phil Chee here: 
http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmisc.html#autofillforms .


Manual here: http://autofillforms.mozdev.org/drupal/content/main-page

To "emulate" the old "save form info", you'll want to use this: 
http://autofillforms.mozdev.org/drupal/content/how-add-complete-form-profile 
, and you can define keyboard or mouse shortcuts to fill out forms.



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Re: my apology to calek dude ...

[Lucas Levrel]

Le 14 février 2012, Daniel a écrit :


Here we go againthis idiot trying to blame "calek dude"


Read the subject... He merely cites the original post and explains his 
jokes (the starred lines).


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Re: my apology to calek dude ...

[Daniel]

Lucas Levrel wrote:

Le 14 février 2012, Daniel a écrit :


Here we go againthis idiot trying to blame "calek dude"


Read the subject... He merely cites the original post and explains his
jokes (the starred lines).



Oh!! My apologise!!

It was hard enough reading this clowns post the first time through, I 
couldn't be bothered trying to make sense of it the second time through!!


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Re: my apology to calek dude ...

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Lucas Levrel wrote:


Le 14 février 2012, Daniel a écrit :


Here we go againthis idiot trying to blame "calek dude"


Read the subject... He merely cites the original post and explains his
jokes (the starred lines).


That's an apology? Not in my book.

Sorry, I don't see why we should continue to read this material, much 
less devote a whole thread to it. It's off-topic and it's over with as 
far as I'm concerned. Let's move on.


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Seamonkey 2.7.1, e-mail client throws JavaScript errors :

[Philip TAYLOR]

Error: gMsgCompose is null
Source File: chrome://messenger/content/messengercompose/MsgComposeCommands.js
Line: 185

Platform : Windows 7;SP1, 32-bit.
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Re: Seamonkey 2.7.1, e-mail client throws JavaScript errors :

[Philip TAYLOR]

Philip TAYLOR wrote:

Error: gMsgCompose is null
Source File: chrome://messenger/content/messengercompose/MsgComposeCommands.js
Line: 185

Platform : Windows 7;SP1, 32-bit.


and on reporting this, Seamonkey throws a further error :


Error: [Exception... "'JavaScript component does not have a method named: "containerOpened"' when calling 
method: [nsINavHistoryResultObserver::containerOpened]"  nsresult: "0x80570030 
(NS_ERROR_XPC_JSOBJECT_HAS_NO_FUNCTION_NAMED)"  location: "JS frame :: 
chrome://communicator/content/places/browserPlacesViews.js ::  :: line 111"  data: no]
Source File: chrome://communicator/content/places/browserPlacesViews.js
Line: 111


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Importing Thunderbird 10.0.1 in Seamonkey 2.7.1

[Udo Weik]

Hello,

I have severe problems to get Thunderbird working again on my PC
(Thunderbird doesn't start). A longer, sad story. Therefore I want
to import my Thunderbird profile in Seamonkey. The problem is that
I have no working Thunderbird profile on that PC, but I changed the
settings in profiles.ini accordingly. But when I try to import
the (correct) profile seems not to be processed (it lasts only
some seconds). So my question is how Seamonkey finds the profile?
Does it read the profile.ini from Thunderbird or any other settings?
Strange is that MozBackup finds that profile. Can I use MozBackup
for cross-importing in any way?
Just want to mention that I can't import my mails/newsgroups manually
by creating accounts, that would be to complex.


Thanks for any hints and greetings
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what's happening w/ SM?

[Bzzz]

Hi,

I'm using Iceape, which is the SM port under Debian Linux;
2 days ago it was upgraded to 2.7.1.

>From this upgrade, I noticed several *very* disagreeable things:

* SM became bloated with pages using many JS (which I block w/
  NoScript), exactly as FireFox did some weeks ago.
  Even not browsing does the bloat: just having the active tab
  w/ such a site is enough to rot a SM window switch.
  It was working perfectly w/ the former version...,

* Cookies were almost easy to suppress in the former version
  (almost because asking "are you sure" when people has hit
  "delete all cookies" seemed "strange"), but yesterday I spent
  more than 5 minutes to do the same, as now they are separated
  by sites,

* And the same for password that are now separated by sites.

Is the dev team aligning on the same policy as Gnome3 ("we know
what's good for you")?

So, what is the next stage: including mandatory flash commercials
into menu lines???

Please, tell me why a good browser is turning to a piece of shit?

Jiff
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"XUL Runner" Error?

[TMitchell]

Does anyone have help for the "XUL Runner" error message ("Can't read 
application .ini") which occurs after trying to update SM preventing it 
from launching?  This has happened to me every time I have tried 
updating since Ver. 2.5.  I've seen others post about this problem too, 
but I have not yet seen an answer to it.

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SM 2.0.14 Vs. SM 2.1 -> SM 2.7 (so far) Annoyances

[Doors]

I recently made the jump from SM 2.0.14 to SM 2.7, oops.
While better on web standards compliance, it is also harder to use.
It keeps integrating things from firefox that are part of the reason I
don't use it.

I have come to nearly hate the new version.
It remains usable, but the direction it is going makes it seem like it
will soon be just another firefox, but one that handles mail.

Below are my PERSONAL peeves.
These represent my issues and I speak for myself alone.
If I had the skills to change this stuff on my own I would.
I am trying to learn, but the directions seem self contradictory and
nothing is explained outside of self referential loops.
It consists of do this, now this, now this, without any apparent attempt
for it to make sense to anyone besides them.
They may be trying, it may be just me, but on the whole it seems
uncessarily complicated.
Would it kill anyone to put out a virtual box image of say fedora or
ubuntu ready to compile SM?
I am trying to make my own, but so far it makes no sense to me.
Once I get one working, I am trying, I will put it up on my site, save
someone else my headaches.

My goal is to add to preferences->browser->tabbed browsing, 'Death
before tabs', then check for that value in the window/tab opener so I
can force everything into new windows and leave the delicate stuff in
omni.ja and the like alone.

In the meantime though.

First I had to disable the new find in page 'Feature', yes I put it in
quotes because I view it as a anti feature that I realise others may
actually be able to use, but fortunately one that is easily eliminated,
so it is gone.
I use the floating search feature a lot, search for a thing in one page,
then simply hit f3 in the rest to do the search over again with no
boxes, just highlighted results.

Next, after fixing the tabs 'Issue' by disabling all of them in
preferences then opening up omni.ja, editing nscontext to force calls to
openinnewtab to call openinnewwindow instead(See SM 2.7 tabs happiness),
then recompacting as a zip then copying it back.
The same process by the way I did for 2.0.14, that actually worked the
first time.
Eventually finding out that unlike common sense would dictate, SM now
CACHES things rather than actually reading the config files.
I added '-purgecaches' minus the single quotes to my shortcut.

Now when I make a change, it actually happens, yay!

Now as I explore the less used portions of the program I am finding more
'Annoyances' than I expected.

What happened to 'File' in bookmarks, it used to be easy, direct and
obvious.
You selected file, it popped up a tree viewyou could scrioll if needed,
and you clicked where you wanted it, now you have to use some funky
folder menu you you have to open then navigate, I used to be able to
just click, now I have to navigate, why?
Is the old USABLE one still there just hidden?
If so, where please?

Who decided that bookmarks needs to be a bloody sql file?
Is importing an HTML file that hard for an HTML BROWSER?
Especially since it will EXPORT to and HTML file on exit.
I previously edited bookmarks.html to ELIMINATE!!!, the personal toolbar
and RSS feeds so I never had to see them again.
So how do I get rid of them now?
Why would a 'Feature?' be added without the means to get rid of it or at
least be able to make it invisible.
The new search thingy was annoying, but they did that one right by
making it easy to disable.
I SHARE my bookmarks with my portable browsers and alternate browsers.
With an html file this is trivial.
With the sql file, I can copy the legacy file, legacy html generation on
exit not enabled by default, but this makes bringing back any changes or
additions I made in the portable IMPOSSIBLE, a function I actually use.


What happened to cookies.txt
Another SQL file?
Is importing a text file hard?
I used to manage my cookies with notepad++, now I have an unholy
disaster of an interface I am forced to use.
And to make matters worse, it only works with one domain or cookie at a
time, I used to be able to shift or ctrl select all Iwanted and do them
all in one go.
Why the pre school kinder garden change?


I prefer to use open source because it gives me more options.
Moves like these give me fewer.

Then I get to the cache.
I can understand keeping track in a database, it makes perfect sense.
I used to raid the cache for recent files, not anymore.
Now in addition to being seperated from the profile, it is fragmented as
well.
I 'upgraded?' to SM2.7 about a week ago.
I let it choose to look after it's own cache.
Right now it is at 540MB.
17,602 files in 4,063 directories.
Yes, you read that correct.
The cache is taking up over 4000 directories.
Why?
If you are using a database, and you assign the files meaningless names
anyway,(Annoying but I rarely have to raid the cache anymore so I don't
mind sorting by date or whatever, and ztree is my friend.), why are
there so many directories.
That is part of why I avoided IE, the cache mess, it is impossible to
navigate.
E

Re: Seamonkey 2.7.1, e-mail client throws JavaScript errors :

[Ray_Net]

Philip TAYLOR wrote:

Error: gMsgCompose is null
Source File: 
chrome://messenger/content/messengercompose/MsgComposeCommands.js

Line: 185

Platform : Windows 7;SP1, 32-bit.

If you cannot reproduce it ... it's superfluousto post a bug like this one:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=535747
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Re: what's happening w/ SM?

[Ray_Net]

Bzzz wrote:

Hi,

I'm using Iceape, which is the SM port under Debian Linux;
2 days ago it was upgraded to 2.7.1.

 From this upgrade, I noticed several *very* disagreeable things:

* SM became bloated with pages using many JS (which I block w/
   NoScript), exactly as FireFox did some weeks ago.
   Even not browsing does the bloat: just having the active tab
   w/ such a site is enough to rot a SM window switch.
   It was working perfectly w/ the former version...,

* Cookies were almost easy to suppress in the former version
   (almost because asking "are you sure" when people has hit
   "delete all cookies" seemed "strange"), but yesterday I spent
   more than 5 minutes to do the same, as now they are separated
   by sites,

* And the same for password that are now separated by sites.

Is the dev team aligning on the same policy as Gnome3 ("we know
what's good for you")?

So, what is the next stage: including mandatory flash commercials
into menu lines???

Please, tell me why a good browser is turning to a piece of shit?

Jiff

Because the developpers knows better than you what is good for you :-(
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Re: what's happening w/ SM?

[Ray_Net]

Ray_Net wrote:

Bzzz wrote:

Hi,

I'm using Iceape, which is the SM port under Debian Linux;
2 days ago it was upgraded to 2.7.1.

 From this upgrade, I noticed several *very* disagreeable things:

* SM became bloated with pages using many JS (which I block w/
   NoScript), exactly as FireFox did some weeks ago.
   Even not browsing does the bloat: just having the active tab
   w/ such a site is enough to rot a SM window switch.
   It was working perfectly w/ the former version...,

* Cookies were almost easy to suppress in the former version
   (almost because asking "are you sure" when people has hit
   "delete all cookies" seemed "strange"), but yesterday I spent
   more than 5 minutes to do the same, as now they are separated
   by sites,

* And the same for password that are now separated by sites.

Is the dev team aligning on the same policy as Gnome3 ("we know
what's good for you")?

So, what is the next stage: including mandatory flash commercials
into menu lines???

Please, tell me why a good browser is turning to a piece of shit?

Jiff

Because the developpers knows better than you what is good for you :-(
I have also to add that they need votes for solving a bug, but they 
don't need votes for a change.


I was responsible of a 4GL suite .. and we do the exact inverse !
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Re: what's happening w/ SM?

[Bzzz]

On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:12:58 +0100
Ray_Net  wrote:

> Because the developpers knows better than you what is good for you :-(

Yeah, that was my first thought (same as for gnome3:(

Too bad, I liked it until this release - I'm gonna try Opera
to see if it fits my need.

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Re: SM 2.0.14 Vs. SM 2.1 -> SM 2.7 (so far) Annoyances

[Ray_Net]

Doors wrote:

I recently made the jump from SM 2.0.14 to SM 2.7, oops.
While better on web standards compliance, it is also harder to use.
It keeps integrating things from firefox that are part of the reason I
don't use it.

I have come to nearly hate the new version.
It remains usable, but the direction it is going makes it seem like it
will soon be just another firefox, but one that handles mail.

Below are my PERSONAL peeves.
These represent my issues and I speak for myself alone.
If I had the skills to change this stuff on my own I would.
I am trying to learn, but the directions seem self contradictory and
nothing is explained outside of self referential loops.
It consists of do this, now this, now this, without any apparent attempt
for it to make sense to anyone besides them.
They may be trying, it may be just me, but on the whole it seems
uncessarily complicated.
Would it kill anyone to put out a virtual box image of say fedora or
ubuntu ready to compile SM?
I am trying to make my own, but so far it makes no sense to me.
Once I get one working, I am trying, I will put it up on my site, save
someone else my headaches.

My goal is to add to preferences->browser->tabbed browsing, 'Death
before tabs', then check for that value in the window/tab opener so I
can force everything into new windows and leave the delicate stuff in
omni.ja and the like alone.

In the meantime though.

First I had to disable the new find in page 'Feature', yes I put it in
quotes because I view it as a anti feature that I realise others may
actually be able to use, but fortunately one that is easily eliminated,
so it is gone.
I use the floating search feature a lot, search for a thing in one page,
then simply hit f3 in the rest to do the search over again with no
boxes, just highlighted results.

Next, after fixing the tabs 'Issue' by disabling all of them in
preferences then opening up omni.ja, editing nscontext to force calls to
openinnewtab to call openinnewwindow instead(See SM 2.7 tabs happiness),
then recompacting as a zip then copying it back.
The same process by the way I did for 2.0.14, that actually worked the
first time.
Eventually finding out that unlike common sense would dictate, SM now
CACHES things rather than actually reading the config files.
I added '-purgecaches' minus the single quotes to my shortcut.

Now when I make a change, it actually happens, yay!

Now as I explore the less used portions of the program I am finding more
'Annoyances' than I expected.

What happened to 'File' in bookmarks, it used to be easy, direct and
obvious.
You selected file, it popped up a tree viewyou could scrioll if needed,
and you clicked where you wanted it, now you have to use some funky
folder menu you you have to open then navigate, I used to be able to
just click, now I have to navigate, why?
Is the old USABLE one still there just hidden?
If so, where please?

Who decided that bookmarks needs to be a bloody sql file?
Is importing an HTML file that hard for an HTML BROWSER?
Especially since it will EXPORT to and HTML file on exit.
I previously edited bookmarks.html to ELIMINATE!!!, the personal toolbar
and RSS feeds so I never had to see them again.
So how do I get rid of them now?
Why would a 'Feature?' be added without the means to get rid of it or at
least be able to make it invisible.
The new search thingy was annoying, but they did that one right by
making it easy to disable.
I SHARE my bookmarks with my portable browsers and alternate browsers.
With an html file this is trivial.
With the sql file, I can copy the legacy file, legacy html generation on
exit not enabled by default, but this makes bringing back any changes or
additions I made in the portable IMPOSSIBLE, a function I actually use.


What happened to cookies.txt
Another SQL file?
Is importing a text file hard?
I used to manage my cookies with notepad++, now I have an unholy
disaster of an interface I am forced to use.
And to make matters worse, it only works with one domain or cookie at a
time, I used to be able to shift or ctrl select all Iwanted and do them
all in one go.
Why the pre school kinder garden change?


I prefer to use open source because it gives me more options.
Moves like these give me fewer.

Then I get to the cache.
I can understand keeping track in a database, it makes perfect sense.
I used to raid the cache for recent files, not anymore.
Now in addition to being seperated from the profile, it is fragmented as
well.
I 'upgraded?' to SM2.7 about a week ago.
I let it choose to look after it's own cache.
Right now it is at 540MB.
17,602 files in 4,063 directories.
Yes, you read that correct.
The cache is taking up over 4000 directories.
Why?
If you are using a database, and you assign the files meaningless names
anyway,(Annoying but I rarely have to raid the cache anymore so I don't
mind sorting by date or whatever, and ztree is my friend.), why are
there so many directories.
That is part of why I avoided IE, the cache mess, it is impossible

Re: what's happening w/ SM?

[chicagofan]

Bzzz wrote:

Hi,

I'm using Iceape, which is the SM port under Debian Linux;
2 days ago it was upgraded to 2.7.1.

 From this upgrade, I noticed several *very* disagreeable things:

* SM became bloated with pages using many JS (which I block w/
   NoScript), exactly as FireFox did some weeks ago.
   Even not browsing does the bloat: just having the active tab
   w/ such a site is enough to rot a SM window switch.
   It was working perfectly w/ the former version...,

* Cookies were almost easy to suppress in the former version
   (almost because asking "are you sure" when people has hit
   "delete all cookies" seemed "strange"), but yesterday I spent
   more than 5 minutes to do the same, as now they are separated
   by sites,

* And the same for password that are now separated by sites.

Is the dev team aligning on the same policy as Gnome3 ("we know
what's good for you")?

So, what is the next stage: including mandatory flash commercials
into menu lines???

Please, tell me why a good browser is turning to a piece of shit?

Jiff



I hate to constantly complain about a product that I have enjoyed for 
years and is free, but I have to agree that as SM became more 
interlocked with everything FF does, things have steadily gone downhill 
for my uses.  :(


However, I'm one of those who just wants the basics and for them to be 
easily accessible, and realize many others want much more.  I just wish 
the basics could be left alone, like passwords, downloads, font sizes, 
etc.  :)


Can anyone tell me why, if they had to fool with passwords, they didn't 
give us the option of *always* showing passwords... in a password file?   ;)

bj

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Re: what's happening w/ SM?

[hawker]

On 2/14/2012 8:11 AM, Bzzz wrote:
> Please, tell me why a good browser is turning to a piece of shit?

Because Fire Fox is turning into a piece of shit (don't get me started 
on how many sites are no broken with the 10. numbering - and I'm getting 
sick of the pass the blame game), and the SM team is just a small 
volunteer group doing the best they can with limited resources.


Given how small the team is they are forced to accept the FireFox code 
base and mostly keep it as is since the team and user base is too small 
to deviate very much.  I suspect the SM user base is tiny compared to 
FireFox and that user base has very different wants and needs.



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Re: SM 2.0.14 Vs. SM 2.1 -> SM 2.7 (so far) Annoyances

[Philip TAYLOR]

Ray_Net wrote:

<140++ lines of re-cycled dross, and then>


I agree with you - however what browser, mail-client and newgroup client do you 
suggest to use ?


A signal:noise ratio of worse than 1:140 is not
a good way to communicate.

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Re: SM 2.0.14 Vs. SM 2.1 -> SM 2.7 (so far) Annoyances

[Bzzz]

On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 08:11:46 -0800
Doors  wrote:

>
> Sorry for sounding mad, I am not, just frustrated.
> I would be far less frustrated if getting started weren't so steep.
> Then I could just change back what is to my eyes, broken.

You're not alone to think like that!

Some mind crippled devs apparently want to do as governments does:
think for you.

Having used firefox & sm for a very long time, my conclusion is 
these people are acting the big corporations sens: cookies very
hard to destroy, suddenly NoScript is tremendously slowing
down the browser ("plugin fault" they say...), etc.

For myself, holding users in such a contempt is not tolerable, and I
hope users will do like me: switch to another browser where devs are
listening to users.

Jiff
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Re: what's happening w/ SM?

[Bzzz]

On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:15:36 +0100
Ray_Net  wrote:

> I have also to add that they need votes for solving a bug, but they 
> don't need votes for a change.
> 
> I was responsible of a 4GL suite .. and we do the exact inverse !

Yep, me too: users are dictating the direction, not devs.

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Can SM 2.0.14 be copied to a new system separately...

[chicagofan]

  which has SM 2.7 already, without any problems/conflicts?

I would like to copy my present SM 2.0.14 program to my new laptop, 
instead of copying off some files.   Is that possible?  I may go back to 
2.0.14 if this will work.

bj


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Re: what's happening w/ SM?

[Bzzz]

On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 11:23:03 -0500
chicagofan  wrote:

>
> However, I'm one of those who just wants the basics and for them to be 
> easily accessible, and realize many others want much more.  I just wish 
> the basics could be left alone, like passwords, downloads, font sizes, 
> etc.  :)

But they did not!
For example, I browse almost ever w/ cookies disabled, however I
sometimes need them (bank, protected sites and these days tests on
demo sites) - of course, as I'm not used to touch this setup, I
usually forget to switch cookies off for one or two hours.

Yesterday I had the (very bad) surprise to find that cookies are
now showed site/site - meaning I spent more than 5 minutes to remove
them all (AND after a CTRL-A you could think that hitting the Delte
key would be sufficient!? Big error: it DON'T WORK, you have to CLICK
the Remove frigging button:(((

> Can anyone tell me why, if they had to fool with passwords, they didn't 
> give us the option of *always* showing passwords... in a password file?   ;)

Because you're a dumb donkey that don't understand the devs know
what's good for you ]<;-)

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Re: Importing Thunderbird 10.0.1 in Seamonkey 2.7.1

[hawker]

On 2/14/2012 6:55 AM, Udo Weik wrote:
>  Can I use MozBackup
> for cross-importing in any way?
Yes I do it all the time.

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Re: SM 2.0.14 Vs. SM 2.1 -> SM 2.7 (so far) Annoyances

[Bzzz]

On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:21:05 +0100
Ray_Net  wrote:

> 
> I agree with you - however what browser, mail-client and newgroup client 
> do you suggest to use ?

mail-client and newsgroup client: claws-mail
browser: YMMV, but they might miss the interesting 
freedom plugins (noscript, addblock, etc)
And this is our fault: we lead mozilla to have a de facto
monopoly on open-source browsers.

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Re: my apology to calek dude ...

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On 12-02-14 3:59 AM, _Daniel_ spoke thusly:




Daniel, personal attacks like this are never appropriate in the Mozilla 
newsgroups. I've removed your message from the server, per the policy at 
.


If you have a problem with any specific poster, either:
* report it to ab...@mozilla.org
* ignore the poster
* take it somewhere else

Please, reread the forum etiquette page at 
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If you'd like to reply to this message, please email me with a valid 
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Re: what's happening w/ SM?

[Kevin L. Hill]

On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 11:23:03 -0500, chicagofan wrote:

>Can anyone tell me why, if they had to fool with passwords, they didn't 
>give us the option of *always* showing passwords... in a password file?   ;)
>bj

Here is a "workaround" for the new and improved password manager.  There 
is no guarantee how long the code will be kept in future versions.  Here is a 
way to use the "old" password manager.

Copy the following address into the browser: 

chrome://passwordmgr/content/passwordManager.xul

Save it to a convenient bookmark.

Use that bookmark when you need to work with your passwords.



Kevin L. Hill
Long Beach, CA


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Re: what's happening w/ SM?

[chicagofan]

Kevin L. Hill wrote:

On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 11:23:03 -0500, chicagofan wrote:


Can anyone tell me why, if they had to fool with passwords, they didn't
give us the option of *always* showing passwords... in a password file?   ;)
bj


Here is a "workaround" for the new and improved password manager.  There
is no guarantee how long the code will be kept in future versions.  Here is a
way to use the "old" password manager.

Copy the following address into the browser:

chrome://passwordmgr/content/passwordManager.xul

Save it to a convenient bookmark.

Use that bookmark when you need to work with your passwords.



Kevin L. Hill
Long Beach, CA




Thanks so much!  I have saved and will try this, if I stick with 2.7. 
My struggle isn't over yet.  ;)

bj


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Re: Importing Thunderbird 10.0.1 in Seamonkey 2.7.1

[Udo Weik]

Hello Hawker,


 > Can I use MozBackup
 > for cross-importing in any way?
Yes I do it all the time.


thanks for your answer - but how?
When I select SeaMonkey as app and my Thunderbird profile
as backup I get the following message (MozBackup 1.5.1):
  Selected backup file isn't for selected application. Selected application:
  SeaMonkey, backup file is from application: Mozilla Thunderbird.
Any hints?


Thanks again and greetings
Udo
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Re: what's happening w/ SM?

[Jens Hatlak]

Kevin L. Hill wrote:

Here is a "workaround" for the new and improved password manager.  There
is no guarantee how long the code will be kept in future versions.  Here is a
way to use the "old" password manager.

Copy the following address into the browser:

chrome://passwordmgr/content/passwordManager.xul


I guess the SPE add-on uses independent code:


HTH

Jens

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Re: what's happening w/ SM?

[Larry S.]

Kevin L. Hill wrote:

On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 11:23:03 -0500, chicagofan wrote:


Can anyone tell me why, if they had to fool with passwords, they didn't
give us the option of *always* showing passwords... in a password file?   ;)
bj


Here is a "workaround" for the new and improved password manager.  There
is no guarantee how long the code will be kept in future versions.  Here is a
way to use the "old" password manager.

Copy the following address into the browser:

chrome://passwordmgr/content/passwordManager.xul

Save it to a convenient bookmark.

Use that bookmark when you need to work with your passwords.



Kevin L. Hill
Long Beach, CA


Do you know of anything similar for cookies? As I used to, I'd like to 
occasionally clean up the cookie list by clicking on a domain (or 
multiple domains) and delete them all with a click. The current manager 
only allows selecting one domain at a time, plus a three step process to 
delete it.


Larry
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Re: Importing Thunderbird 10.0.1 in Seamonkey 2.7.1

[hawker]

On 2/14/2012 2:00 PM, Udo Weik wrote:

Hello Hawker,


> Can I use MozBackup
> for cross-importing in any way?
Yes I do it all the time.


thanks for your answer - but how?
When I select SeaMonkey as app and my Thunderbird profile
as backup I get the following message (MozBackup 1.5.1):
Selected backup file isn't for selected application. Selected application:
SeaMonkey, backup file is from application: Mozilla Thunderbird.
Any hints?


Thanks again and greetings
Udo


Hmm.
Maybe they broke something in recent releases of SM or Moz Backup? I 
have not use MozBack up for this task in perhaps a year or so.  Have you 
asked on the Mozbackup forum?

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Re: what's happening w/ SM?

[Jens Hatlak]

Larry S. wrote:

Kevin L. Hill wrote:

Copy the following address into the browser:
chrome://passwordmgr/content/passwordManager.xul


Do you know of anything similar for cookies?


chrome://communicator/content/permissions/cookieViewer.xul?cookieManager

This may have issues and stop working in any future SM version, 
unannounced. As with passwords, the better approach is to use an add-on 
which provides the functionality you need (and more). Try CookieSafe:




BTW: Both add-ons have been recommended on the SeaMonkey User FAQ page 
for a while already (see the bottom of the following page).




HTH

Jens

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Re: SM 2.0.14 Vs. SM 2.1 -> SM 2.7 (so far) Annoyances

[Rufus]

Ray_Net wrote:

Doors wrote:

I recently made the jump from SM 2.0.14 to SM 2.7, oops.
While better on web standards compliance, it is also harder to use.
It keeps integrating things from firefox that are part of the reason I
don't use it.

I have come to nearly hate the new version.
It remains usable, but the direction it is going makes it seem like it
will soon be just another firefox, but one that handles mail.

Below are my PERSONAL peeves.
These represent my issues and I speak for myself alone.
If I had the skills to change this stuff on my own I would.
I am trying to learn, but the directions seem self contradictory and
nothing is explained outside of self referential loops.
It consists of do this, now this, now this, without any apparent attempt
for it to make sense to anyone besides them.
They may be trying, it may be just me, but on the whole it seems
uncessarily complicated.
Would it kill anyone to put out a virtual box image of say fedora or
ubuntu ready to compile SM?
I am trying to make my own, but so far it makes no sense to me.
Once I get one working, I am trying, I will put it up on my site, save
someone else my headaches.

My goal is to add to preferences->browser->tabbed browsing, 'Death
before tabs', then check for that value in the window/tab opener so I
can force everything into new windows and leave the delicate stuff in
omni.ja and the like alone.

In the meantime though.

First I had to disable the new find in page 'Feature', yes I put it in
quotes because I view it as a anti feature that I realise others may
actually be able to use, but fortunately one that is easily eliminated,
so it is gone.
I use the floating search feature a lot, search for a thing in one page,
then simply hit f3 in the rest to do the search over again with no
boxes, just highlighted results.

Next, after fixing the tabs 'Issue' by disabling all of them in
preferences then opening up omni.ja, editing nscontext to force calls to
openinnewtab to call openinnewwindow instead(See SM 2.7 tabs happiness),
then recompacting as a zip then copying it back.
The same process by the way I did for 2.0.14, that actually worked the
first time.
Eventually finding out that unlike common sense would dictate, SM now
CACHES things rather than actually reading the config files.
I added '-purgecaches' minus the single quotes to my shortcut.

Now when I make a change, it actually happens, yay!

Now as I explore the less used portions of the program I am finding more
'Annoyances' than I expected.

What happened to 'File' in bookmarks, it used to be easy, direct and
obvious.
You selected file, it popped up a tree viewyou could scrioll if needed,
and you clicked where you wanted it, now you have to use some funky
folder menu you you have to open then navigate, I used to be able to
just click, now I have to navigate, why?
Is the old USABLE one still there just hidden?
If so, where please?

Who decided that bookmarks needs to be a bloody sql file?
Is importing an HTML file that hard for an HTML BROWSER?
Especially since it will EXPORT to and HTML file on exit.
I previously edited bookmarks.html to ELIMINATE!!!, the personal toolbar
and RSS feeds so I never had to see them again.
So how do I get rid of them now?
Why would a 'Feature?' be added without the means to get rid of it or at
least be able to make it invisible.
The new search thingy was annoying, but they did that one right by
making it easy to disable.
I SHARE my bookmarks with my portable browsers and alternate browsers.
With an html file this is trivial.
With the sql file, I can copy the legacy file, legacy html generation on
exit not enabled by default, but this makes bringing back any changes or
additions I made in the portable IMPOSSIBLE, a function I actually use.


What happened to cookies.txt
Another SQL file?
Is importing a text file hard?
I used to manage my cookies with notepad++, now I have an unholy
disaster of an interface I am forced to use.
And to make matters worse, it only works with one domain or cookie at a
time, I used to be able to shift or ctrl select all Iwanted and do them
all in one go.
Why the pre school kinder garden change?


I prefer to use open source because it gives me more options.
Moves like these give me fewer.

Then I get to the cache.
I can understand keeping track in a database, it makes perfect sense.
I used to raid the cache for recent files, not anymore.
Now in addition to being seperated from the profile, it is fragmented as
well.
I 'upgraded?' to SM2.7 about a week ago.
I let it choose to look after it's own cache.
Right now it is at 540MB.
17,602 files in 4,063 directories.
Yes, you read that correct.
The cache is taking up over 4000 directories.
Why?
If you are using a database, and you assign the files meaningless names
anyway,(Annoying but I rarely have to raid the cache anymore so I don't
mind sorting by date or whatever, and ztree is my friend.), why are
there so many directories.
That is part of why I avoided IE, the cache mess, 

Re: what's happening w/ SM?

[Larry S.]

Jens Hatlak wrote:

Larry S. wrote:

Kevin L. Hill wrote:

Copy the following address into the browser:
chrome://passwordmgr/content/passwordManager.xul


Do you know of anything similar for cookies?


chrome://communicator/content/permissions/cookieViewer.xul?cookieManager

This may have issues and stop working in any future SM version,
unannounced. As with passwords, the better approach is to use an add-on
which provides the functionality you need (and more). Try CookieSafe:



BTW: Both add-ons have been recommended on the SeaMonkey User FAQ page
for a while already (see the bottom of the following page).



HTH

Jens

Sigh . . . The Cookie Safe page says "Not available for SM 2.7.1". Guess 
I'll try the Chrome approach.


Thanks anyway--you are a very helpful and much appreciated resource in 
this group.

Larry
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OT: Anyone have an updated version of Unselect Message to work with the latest SM?

[Glen]

Using the latest SM has worked out so far, however using the mail 
program is not the same when having to check lots of email. I previously 
was using Xsidebar with the unselect message addon but it no longer 
works with the latest SM.


If anyone has an alternative or an update on the Unselect Message addon, 
it would be appreciated.  It looks like the author hasn't supported it 
for a few years now.


Thanks!

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Re: what's happening w/ SM?

[chicagofan]

Bzzz wrote:

On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 11:23:03 -0500
chicagofan  wrote:



However, I'm one of those who just wants the basics and for them to be
easily accessible, and realize many others want much more.  I just wish
the basics could be left alone, like passwords, downloads, font sizes,
etc.  :)


But they did not!
For example, I browse almost ever w/ cookies disabled, however I
sometimes need them (bank, protected sites and these days tests on
demo sites) - of course, as I'm not used to touch this setup, I
usually forget to switch cookies off for one or two hours.

Yesterday I had the (very bad) surprise to find that cookies are
now showed site/site - meaning I spent more than 5 minutes to remove
them all (AND after a CTRL-A you could think that hitting the Delte
key would be sufficient!? Big error: it DON'T WORK, you have to CLICK
the Remove frigging button:(((


Can anyone tell me why, if they had to fool with passwords, they didn't
give us the option of *always* showing passwords... in a password file?   ;)


Because you're a dumb donkey that don't understand the devs know
what's good for you ]<;-)



LOL!  I think it's just that I am too dumb to program the changes I want 
to see; and I'm in the minority of users.


I'd be happy to pay for the SeaMonkey of old, if they had enough people 
to support it.

Sadly they don't... but I still appreciate their efforts.
bj




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Re: Can SM 2.0.14 be copied to a new system separately...

[NoOp]

On 02/14/2012 08:44 AM, chicagofan wrote:
>   which has SM 2.7 already, without any problems/conflicts?
> 
> I would like to copy my present SM 2.0.14 program to my new laptop, 
> instead of copying off some files.   Is that possible?  I may go back to 
> 2.0.14 if this will work.
> bj
> 
> 

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.7/
First item under known issues.

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Re: Importing Thunderbird 10.0.1 in Seamonkey 2.7.1

[Chris Ilias]

On 12-02-14 6:55 AM, _Udo Weik_ spoke thusly:

I have severe problems to get Thunderbird working again on my PC
(Thunderbird doesn't start). A longer, sad story. Therefore I want
to import my Thunderbird profile in Seamonkey. The problem is that
I have no working Thunderbird profile on that PC, but I changed the
settings in profiles.ini accordingly. But when I try to import
the (correct) profile seems not to be processed (it lasts only
some seconds). So my question is how Seamonkey finds the profile?
Does it read the profile.ini from Thunderbird or any other settings?
Strange is that MozBackup finds that profile. Can I use MozBackup
for cross-importing in any way?
Just want to mention that I can't import my mails/newsgroups manually
by creating accounts, that would be to complex.


It sounds like there's a lot of backstory and tweaks that we are not 
aware of.


SeaMonkey and Thunderbird are completely separate installations. Each 
uses a different profile directory and different profiles.ini file.


Your address books are contained in files with MAB extensions in your 
profile folder. abook.mab is your personal address book. You can save 
the abook.mab file from your Thunderbird profile folder to a safe 
location. To restore that data in your SeaMonkey profile, open the 
SeaMonkey address book window, so SeaMonkey creates its own abook.mab 
file. Close SeaMonkey and replace the newly created abook.mab with the 
saved one from your Thunderbird profile folder.


For more info, see .

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Re: what's happening w/ SM?

[Chris Ilias]

On 12-02-14 8:11 AM, _Bzzz_ spoke thusly:

I'm using Iceape, which is the SM port under Debian Linux;
2 days ago it was upgraded to 2.7.1.

 From this upgrade, I noticed several *very* disagreeable things:

* SM became bloated with pages using many JS (which I block w/
   NoScript), exactly as FireFox did some weeks ago.
   Even not browsing does the bloat: just having the active tab
   w/ such a site is enough to rot a SM window switch.
   It was working perfectly w/ the former version...,


I don't know what you mean by "became bloat". If you're having problems 
with specific pages, could you tell us which pages and specifically what 
the problems are? Most folks in here are willing to help.


It might be a little tougher than usual, because you're using Iceape. I 
don't know what other changes Debian made other than rebranding.



* Cookies were almost easy to suppress in the former version
   (almost because asking "are you sure" when people has hit
   "delete all cookies" seemed "strange"), but yesterday I spent
   more than 5 minutes to do the same, as now they are separated
   by sites,


1. Go to Tools-->Clear_Private_Data
2. Uncheck everything except "Cookies".
3. Click [Clear Private Data Now].


* And the same for password that are now separated by sites.


Same instructions as above, except replace the word "Cookies" with 
"Saved Passwords". :)

If you ant to clear both at the same time, you can leave both check marked.

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Re: Can SM 2.0.14 be copied to a new system separately...

[Gerald Ross]

NoOp wrote:

On 02/14/2012 08:44 AM, chicagofan wrote:

   which has SM 2.7 already, without any problems/conflicts?

 I would like to copy my present SM 2.0.14 program to my new laptop,
 instead of copying off some files.   Is that possible?  I may go back to
 2.0.14 if this will work.
 bj




http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.7/
First item under known issues.


Is the 2.0.14 program still working?  If so, here is the way I do it.
1. Install 2.o.14 on the new computer, but don't open it.  It needs to 
be installed in the same directory as on the old setup. This will get 
the program registered with Windows. If you are going from Win XP to 
Win 7 there may be an issue here as it uses different places for the 
files.


Copy the seamonkey files from the old computer to the new one, after 
deleting the newly installed files.  This includes the files found 
under Mozilla in Documents & Settings.


Fire it up.  I have done this many times from one XP machine to 
another.  It is much easier to copy the files if you have a home network

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Re: what's happening w/ SM?

[chicagofan]

Bzzz wrote:

On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:12:58 +0100
Ray_Net  wrote:


Because the developpers knows better than you what is good for you :-(


Yeah, that was my first thought (same as for gnome3:(

Too bad, I liked it until this release - I'm gonna try Opera
to see if it fits my need.

Jiff


I downloaded Opera yesterday and it solved my biggest problem of NOT 
being able to see websites in full screen.  In SM 2.7, I get everything 
in a column with wide blank borders on each side.  :(


It makes me so sad, because I really don't want to give up SM, but now 
that I know changes in SM and not my new graphics card have caused this, 
I may have to change.


Opera seems to be slower to me, however... and it would be another 
learning curve.  Guess I'll try them both for awhile.

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Re: what's happening w/ SM?

[Bzzz]

On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 15:44:43 -0500
Chris Ilias  wrote:

> 
> I don't know what you mean by "became bloat". If you're having problems 

Yes, I didn't used the right expression.
For example, to answer your post I selected the SM window where such
a site is opened (http://television.telerama.fr/tele/grille.php),
it took almost 6 seconds to switch from claws-mail to this window
and the site goes up to 100% CPU (Athlon-XP1600+) for 6 more seconds.

W/ the former SM version, it didn't take ANY cpu raise and the switch
took less than a second (and non, I'm not swapping: 900MB free RAM)

> with specific pages, could you tell us which pages and specifically what 
> the problems are? Most folks in here are willing to help.

> It might be a little tougher than usual, because you're using Iceape. I 
> don't know what other changes Debian made other than rebranding.

Debian only uses another name because of a non-free policy (touching
the logo if I remember well); but the code's exactly the same
otherwise.
 
> > * Cookies were almost easy to suppress in the former version
> >(almost because asking "are you sure" when people has hit
> >"delete all cookies" seemed "strange"), but yesterday I spent
> >more than 5 minutes to do the same, as now they are separated
> >by sites,
> 
> 1. Go to Tools-->Clear_Private_Data
> 2. Uncheck everything except "Cookies".
> 3. Click [Clear Private Data Now].

I didn't think about this one, however WHY does the new tab 
presentation complicate things instead of make them easy?

> > * And the same for password that are now separated by sites.
> 
> Same instructions as above, except replace the word "Cookies" with 
> "Saved Passwords". :)

I wasn't talking about wiping p/w, I was talking about having a very
practical presentation of them in the former version.

I usually drive around 3000 p/w, with such a quantity it is obvious
that many sites uses the same one; real secured p/w being reserved
for real security concerns.
So, the older presentation was *really* a plus for me because it
allowed a very quick check visual, which isn't the case anymore.

All this story reminds me exactly the gnome3 phenomena: they changed
all! shortcuts, display, windows places, etc and they don't take any
criticism (even the constructive ones) in account.  

This is what gets me mad and why I'm gonna uninstall SM ASA p/w will
be extracted for further restore in a product that don't take users
for dummies.
SM is following *exactly* the same scheme as certain sites that
change their terms, indicating that from now to now on your data
can be shared to whatever commercial partner... without me!

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Re: what's happening w/ SM?

[Jens Hatlak]

Larry S. wrote:

Sigh . . . The Cookie Safe page says "Not available for SM 2.7.1".


Sigh... You didn't even *try* to click the button (and then "Install 
Anyway"). Else you would have found that this add-on works with *any* 
version of SM since 2.1. Have a little faith. I didn't recommend some 
random add-on but one that I have installed myself. Tested, that is.


What you see there is actually an AMO (addons.mozilla.org) bug. It still 
has not been updated for the times we live in now ("compatible by 
default", i.e. any normal add-on that is compatible with at least SM 2.1 
is automatically compatible with SM 2.7 and later). Maybe another case 
of "we checked Firefox and Thunderbird and all looked well". I guess 
someone should file a bug report... Well, actually I just did:





Guess I'll try the Chrome approach.


Whatever makes you happy...


Thanks anyway--you are a very helpful and much appreciated resource in
this group.


Thanks for noticing. ;-)

HTH

Jens

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Re: what's happening w/ SM?

[Bzzz]

On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 15:56:29 -0500
chicagofan  wrote:

> 
> I downloaded Opera yesterday and it solved my biggest problem of NOT 
> being able to see websites in full screen.  In SM 2.7, I get everything 
> in a column with wide blank borders on each side.  :(

This is also my choice, I'll download it tonite or may be tomorrow.
 
> It makes me so sad, because I really don't want to give up SM, but now 
> that I know changes in SM and not my new graphics card have caused this, 
> I may have to change.
> 
> Opera seems to be slower to me, however... and it would be another 
> learning curve.  Guess I'll try them both for awhile.

Héhé, in this case SM could mean another acronym :)

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Re: what's happening w/ SM?

[Philip TAYLOR]

Bzzz wrote:

On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 15:44:43 -0500
Chris Ilias  wrote:



I don't know what you mean by "became bloat". If you're having problems


Yes, I didn't used the right expression.
For example, to answer your post I selected the SM window where such
a site is opened (http://television.telerama.fr/tele/grille.php),
it took almost 6 seconds to switch from claws-mail to this window
and the site goes up to 100% CPU (Athlon-XP1600+) for 6 more seconds.


Seamonkey 2.7.1; Win/7 32-bit running as a VM inside Win/7 64-bit, with
Server 2003 running as another VM at the same time.  Seven seconds (or
thereabouts) to complete the display, CPU never more than 60%, and
typically no more than 5% to 10%.  Intel i7 2.6GHz, 3440Mb allocated
to each VM.

Personally speaking, performance is not an issue for me; I didn't
choose Seamonkey because it was the fastest kid on the block,
I chose it because it offered what I looked for in terms of
browser and IMAP integration, and in look and feel.  It still
offers what I want in terms of browser and IMAP integration,
but the look and feel is nowhere near as attractive as it
once was.  I /really/ don't need a new tool bar to pop-up
just because I press Ctrl-F, nor do I want it to start searching
until I tell it to.  And tabs are the spawn of the devil.

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Re: Can SM 2.0.14 be copied to a new system separately...

[chicagofan]

Gerald Ross wrote:

NoOp wrote:

On 02/14/2012 08:44 AM, chicagofan wrote:

 which has SM 2.7 already, without any problems/conflicts?

I would like to copy my present SM 2.0.14 program to my new laptop,
instead of copying off some files. Is that possible? I may go back to
2.0.14 if this will work.
bj




http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.7/
First item under known issues.


Is the 2.0.14 program still working? If so, here is the way I do it.
1. Install 2.o.14 on the new computer, but don't open it. It needs to be
installed in the same directory as on the old setup. This will get the
program registered with Windows. If you are going from Win XP to Win 7
there may be an issue here as it uses different places for the files.


That is what I am worried about.  Where are the SM 2.7 files on Win7? 
My 2.0.14 files are on WinXP now.  :(




t Copy the seamonkey files the old computer to the new one, after
deleting the newly installed files. This includes the files found under
Mozilla in Documents & Settings.


That's what I am trying to avoid... deleting the 2.7 installation, 
because installing newsgroups was such a nightmare.  :)


I was hoping I could install the 2.0.14 copy in a new directory... if I 
knew where all the 2.7 files are on Win7.  I will delete 2.7... if that 
is the only way to get 2.0.14 on Win7.


I really don't want to give up on SM as my mail/browser, but after 
reading No Op's message about Known Issues... it reads likeno matter 
where I put 2.0... it will be destroyed.   :(



Data loss warning: If you use a profile with this or any later version and then 
try to go back to SeaMonkey 2.0, SeaMonkey will rename your history file to 
places.sqlite.corrupt and create a new places.sqlite file, effectively 
resetting your browsing history. This is because the internal format changed 
and the upgrade process only works in one direction.


bj

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Re: what's happening w/ SM?

[chicagofan]

Bzzz wrote:

On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 15:56:29 -0500
chicagofan  wrote:



I downloaded Opera yesterday and it solved my biggest problem of NOT
being able to see websites in full screen.  In SM 2.7, I get everything
in a column with wide blank borders on each side.  :(


This is also my choice, I'll download it tonite or may be tomorrow.


It makes me so sad, because I really don't want to give up SM, but now
that I know changes in SM and not my new graphics card have caused this,
I may have to change.

Opera seems to be slower to me, however... and it would be another
learning curve.  Guess I'll try them both for awhile.


Héhé, in this case SM could mean another acronym :)


LOL!!!  Sad but true!   :)
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Re: what's happening w/ SM?

[chicagofan]

Jens Hatlak wrote:

Larry S. wrote:




Guess I'll try the Chrome approach.


Whatever makes you happy...


Thanks anyway--you are a very helpful and much appreciated resource in
this group.


Thanks for noticing. ;-)

HTH

Jens


Sorry, this isn't mentioned often enough!  We all notice... really.  :) 
   Thanks!!!

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Re: Can SM 2.0.14 be copied to a new system separately...

[Paul B. Gallagher]

chicagofan wrote:

Gerald Ross wrote:

NoOp wrote:

On 02/14/2012 08:44 AM, chicagofan wrote:

 which has SM 2.7 already, without any problems/conflicts?

I would like to copy my present SM 2.0.14 program to my new laptop,
instead of copying off some files. Is that possible? I may go back to
2.0.14 if this will work.
bj




http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.7/
First item under known issues.


Is the 2.0.14 program still working? If so, here is the way I do it.
1. Install 2.o.14 on the new computer, but don't open it. It needs to be
installed in the same directory as on the old setup. This will get the
program registered with Windows. If you are going from Win XP to Win 7
there may be an issue here as it uses different places for the files.


That is what I am worried about. Where are the SM 2.7 files on Win7? My
2.0.14 files are on WinXP now. :(


By default, they're at C:\Users\YourNameHere\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\ 
(this folder contains your extensions, profiles, etc.).


The actual program resides (again, by default) at C:\Program Files 
(x86)\SeaMonkey\. But I wouldn't mess with that.


Here's the routine I used to use on WinXP Pro; you can do much the same 
thing on Win7:


1) Ensure that both computers have the same version of SM and the same 
add-ons/extensions installed. I can't promise what will happen if you 
drop v. 2.7 files into a v. 2.0 installation, and if you don't like the 
results, don't complain to me.


It's probably best if you have the same helper apps available, too. For 
example, if one SM thinks it should open .doc files with MS Word and the 
other one has only OpenOffice, you could have trouble if someone emails 
you such a file and you try to open it directly in SM.


2) On the target computer, with SM closed, rename the folder 
C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Application Data\Mozilla\ to 
\OldMozilla\.


3) With SM closed on both computers, copy the corresponding folder 
\Mozilla from the source computer to the target computer.


4) Launch SM on the target computer and you're up and running.

If it doesn't work, shut down SM, delete the new \Mozilla\ folder, and 
rename \OldMozilla\ to \Mozilla\ and you'll be back where you started 
with no harm done.


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Issues with upgrades and application.ini

[Justin Wood (Callek)]

Ok guys, I need your help.

I have been hearing over the past few releases a few reports about 
application.ini being missing.


Anyone who has experienced this recently can you please point me at a 
update.log (last-update.log) etc. from when it happened.


I need that log to help diagnose why, since I have never hit it, nor do 
I know of any other developer who has.


That said, I just landed a patch on trunk today that should alleviate 
much of this problem (by doing something pretty different), it may not 
fix this bug if it is just manifesting as application.ini and affects 
other parts. It is also too risky of a change for any branch, so I'd 
want to get a simpler fix in for 2.8 and 2.9


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Re: SM 2.0.14 Vs. SM 2.1 -> SM 2.7 (so far) Annoyances

[Ray_Net]

Philip TAYLOR wrote:
Ray_Net wrote: 
I agree with you - however what browser, mail-client and newgroup client 
do you suggest to use ?

A signal:noise ratio of worse than 1:140 is not
a good way to communicate.

I agree with you, but what's your answer ?
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Re: SM 2.0.14 Vs. SM 2.1 -> SM 2.7 (so far) Annoyances

[Philip TAYLOR]

Ray_Net wrote:


I agree with you, but what's your answer ?


Seamonkey is the answer; what's the question ? :-)
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SM icon for .htm file type in windows 7 with SM 2.1

[Ray_Net]

I was fiddling making different browser the default browser.
Each time in explorer per exemple the .htm icon is the icon of 
the default browser.

Then i re-instate SM as the default browser.
BUT in explorer, per exemple the .htm icon is just an empty 
square.
I have looked in the registry - all is ok, the file type extension .htm 
points to:

C:\Program Files\SeaMonkey\chrome\icons\default\html-file.ico
So all is good, except that explorer cannot show me the icon near the 
filename.

Perhaps the html-file.ico is not a good icon ?
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Re: SM icon for .htm file type in windows 7 with SM 2.1

[Philip TAYLOR]

Ray_Net wrote:


Perhaps the html-file.ico is not a good icon


In Win/7 Explorer, all icons files look fine, including
"html-file.ico".

Philip Taylor

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Re: SM 2.0.14 Vs. SM 2.1 -> SM 2.7 (so far) Annoyances

[Ray_Net]

Philip TAYLOR wrote:



Ray_Net wrote:


I agree with you, but what's your answer ?


Seamonkey is the answer; what's the question ? :-)

The question was:
What browser, mail-client and newgroup client do you suggest to use (SM 
excluded)?


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Re: SM 2.0.14 Vs. SM 2.1 -> SM 2.7 (so far) Annoyances

[WLS]

On 02/14/2012 07:44 PM, Ray_Net wrote:
> Philip TAYLOR wrote:
>>
>>
>> Ray_Net wrote:
>>
>>> I agree with you, but what's your answer ?
>>
>> Seamonkey is the answer; what's the question ? :-)
> The question was:
> What browser, mail-client and newgroup client do you suggest to use (SM
> excluded)?
> 

Browser: Firefox
Mail and News Client: Thunderbird

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Re: SM icon for .htm file type in windows 7 with SM 2.1

[Ray_Net]

Philip TAYLOR wrote:



Ray_Net wrote:


Perhaps the html-file.ico is not a good icon


In Win/7 Explorer, all icons files look fine, including
"html-file.ico".

This icon looks good also for me but it's not show in explorer in left 
of a file with the extension .htm


A test.eml show correctly the SM icon, but in this case in the registry 
it points to:

C:\Program Files\Windows Live\Mail\maillang.dll,-23357

It looks like i get crazy
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Re: Issues with upgrades and application.ini

[Larry S.]

Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:

Ok guys, I need your help.

I have been hearing over the past few releases a few reports about
application.ini being missing.

Anyone who has experienced this recently can you please point me at a
update.log (last-update.log) etc. from when it happened.

I need that log to help diagnose why, since I have never hit it, nor do
I know of any other developer who has.

That said, I just landed a patch on trunk today that should alleviate
much of this problem (by doing something pretty different), it may not
fix this bug if it is just manifesting as application.ini and affects
other parts. It is also too risky of a change for any branch, so I'd
want to get a simpler fix in for 2.8 and 2.9

You asked for the update log in answer to a previous posting from me, 
but you showed a path for W7. I've searched my XP SP3 and don't find a 
file by that name. Any suggestions? Love to send it in if I could find it!


Larry
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Re: what's happening w/ SM?

[Bzzz]

On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 15:56:29 -0500
chicagofan  wrote:

> 
> I downloaded Opera yesterday and it solved my biggest problem of NOT 
> being able to see websites in full screen.  In SM 2.7, I get everything 
> in a column with wide blank borders on each side.  :(

Downloaded & installed (they even have a Debian package:).

One tweak: go to next tab instead of former in case of ctrl-w,
installed the equivalents of noscript & adblock; enabled and
working very well, much faster than SM or FF... Bye SM.
 
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Re: SM 2.0.14 Vs. SM 2.1 -> SM 2.7 (so far) Annoyances

[MCBastos]

Interviewed by CNN on 14/02/2012 14:11, Doors told the world:

> What happened to 'File' in bookmarks, it used to be easy, direct and
> obvious.
> You selected file, it popped up a tree viewyou could scrioll if needed,
> and you clicked where you wanted it, now you have to use some funky
> folder menu you you have to open then navigate, I used to be able to
> just click, now I have to navigate, why?
> Is the old USABLE one still there just hidden?
> If so, where please?
> 
> Who decided that bookmarks needs to be a bloody sql file?

Bookmarks.html was fine, if the only thing you expected from bookmarks
was a static list you searched manually.

The move to a sql database was part of the "Places" feature that debuted
in Firefox a few years ago, and in Seamonkey in version 2.1. The main
advantage is that search inside the places.sqlite is very fast, even if
you have several thousand bookmarks. This allows a number of new
features, such as:
- The history/bookmarks autofill search when you start typing an URL on
the address bar;
- The little symbol that tells you if you have already bookmarked the
current site.

Also, the database format is better suited for the "Firefox Sync"
feature -- one that I personally love, since I can have the same
bookmarks in my desktop Seamonkey, my desktop Firefox, my Portable
Seamonkey and my Android Firefox.

A very minor feature is that the website icons are now stored inside the
database itself. Under the old system, website icons on bookmarks were
almost useless -- they worked only for the sites you visited often.
Icons from sites you hadn't visited in a while were cleared from the
cache and disappeared from the bookmark lists.


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Re: Issues with upgrades and application.ini

[Justin Wood (Callek)]

Larry S. wrote:

Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:

Ok guys, I need your help.

I have been hearing over the past few releases a few reports about
application.ini being missing.

Anyone who has experienced this recently can you please point me at a
update.log (last-update.log) etc. from when it happened.

I need that log to help diagnose why, since I have never hit it, nor do
I know of any other developer who has.

That said, I just landed a patch on trunk today that should alleviate
much of this problem (by doing something pretty different), it may not
fix this bug if it is just manifesting as application.ini and affects
other parts. It is also too risky of a change for any branch, so I'd
want to get a simpler fix in for 2.8 and 2.9


You asked for the update log in answer to a previous posting from me,
but you showed a path for W7. I've searched my XP SP3 and don't find a
file by that name. Any suggestions? Love to send it in if I could find it!



I'll check on my XP machine tomorrow and get back to you for sure.

Thank You (Missed your reply, or lost it somehow)

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Re: Bookmark checker

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Re: what's happening w/ SM?

[NoOp]

On 02/14/2012 01:14 PM, Bzzz wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 15:44:43 -0500
> Chris Ilias  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I don't know what you mean by "became bloat". If you're having problems 
> 
> Yes, I didn't used the right expression.
> For example, to answer your post I selected the SM window where such
> a site is opened (http://television.telerama.fr/tele/grille.php),
> it took almost 6 seconds to switch from claws-mail to this window
> and the site goes up to 100% CPU (Athlon-XP1600+) for 6 more seconds.
> 
> W/ the former SM version, it didn't take ANY cpu raise and the switch
> took less than a second (and non, I'm not swapping: 900MB free RAM)

You probably should file a bug with your distro.

In a comparison of Opera & SM 2.7.1 in opening
 the result are the same:
13 seconds (from a low speed California US connection).

Opera/9.80 (X11; Linux i686; U; en) Presto/2.10.229 Version/11.61
Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:10.0.1)
Gecko/20120208 Firefox/10.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.7.1

Your X-Mailer identifier is:
X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.9; i486-pc-linux-gnu)
so no idea what your actual SeaMonkey build is.

> 
>> with specific pages, could you tell us which pages and specifically what 
>> the problems are? Most folks in here are willing to help.
> 
>> It might be a little tougher than usual, because you're using Iceape. I 
>> don't know what other changes Debian made other than rebranding.
> 
> Debian only uses another name because of a non-free policy (touching
> the logo if I remember well); but the code's exactly the same
> otherwise.

That's an issue that you need to sort out with your disto. It could very
well be that your distro version has issues - file a bug report with
them. Come back when you've installed and tested the versions from:
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/#2.7.1
...
> 
> All this story reminds me exactly the gnome3 phenomena: they changed
> all! shortcuts, display, windows places, etc and they don't take any
> criticism (even the constructive ones) in account.  

And this is relevant here why?

> 
> This is what gets me mad and why I'm gonna uninstall SM ASA p/w will
> be extracted for further restore in a product that don't take users
> for dummies.
> SM is following *exactly* the same scheme as certain sites that
> change their terms, indicating that from now to now on your data
> can be shared to whatever commercial partner... without me!

I suspect that your distro versions have been so poorly maintained that
you are just now catching up with the changes from SeaMonkey 1.x to
2.7.x. Excuse me... that should be 'Iceape' instead of SeaMonkey.


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Re: what's happening w/ SM?

[Chris Ilias]

On 12-02-14 4:14 PM, _Bzzz_ spoke thusly:

On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 15:44:43 -0500
Chris Ilias  wrote:



I don't know what you mean by "became bloat". If you're having problems


Yes, I didn't used the right expression.
For example, to answer your post I selected the SM window where such
a site is opened (http://television.telerama.fr/tele/grille.php),
it took almost 6 seconds to switch from claws-mail to this window
and the site goes up to 100% CPU (Athlon-XP1600+) for 6 more seconds.

W/ the former SM version, it didn't take ANY cpu raise and the switch
took less than a second (and non, I'm not swapping: 900MB free RAM)



Are your plugins up to date? You can check by going to 
.


If that doesn't help, go to Help-->Restart_with_Add-ons_Disabled. Does 
the problem still occur? If not, the cause is probably an extension.



I wasn't talking about wiping p/w, I was talking about having a very
practical presentation of them in the former version.

I usually drive around 3000 p/w, with such a quantity it is obvious
that many sites uses the same one; real secured p/w being reserved
for real security concerns.
So, the older presentation was *really* a plus for me because it
allowed a very quick check visual, which isn't the case anymore.



I'm not understanding how by being able to see a list of passwords for 
all sites is more useful when you use the same password for every site, 
but one thing you could try is the Saved Password Editor extension.

1. Go to Tools-->Add-ons_Manager
2. On the left, select the "Get Add-ons" panel.
3. Do a search for "Saved Password Editor"
4. The Saved Password Editor extension should be the first result in the 
list. To the right of it, click install.


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Re: what's happening w/ SM?

[Bzzz]

On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 21:04:57 -0800
NoOp  wrote:

> 
> In a comparison of Opera & SM 2.7.1 in opening
>  the result are the same:
> 13 seconds (from a low speed California US connection).

I wasn't talking about opening, just switching from claws-mail window
to SM window that contains this site.
 
> so no idea what your actual SeaMonkey build is.

2.7.1
 
> 
> That's an issue that you need to sort out with your disto.

No, that the same mess as the last firefox update: all of a sudden 
everything's going sluggish - very oddly linked to the most important
addons (well, for me): noscript & adblock.

This is why I strongly suspect a manipulation to push people to
jettison these addons.

I didn't test SM without these addons to see if the behavior's the
same as FF, but I would bet your head on that.

> > 
> > All this story reminds me exactly the gnome3 phenomena: they changed
> > all! shortcuts, display, windows places, etc and they don't take any
> > criticism (even the constructive ones) in account.  
> 
> And this is relevant here why?

Because unilateral changes only for the sake of change makes me sick.
 
Anyway, this is now a closed issue as I switched to Opera.

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