[OSM-talk] How to handle Maps.Me garbage?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi, by browsing the map, I have discovered the edits of user 이진영 (Google Translator says that this is a Korean name). He added some POIs in serveral European countries and entered the Korean name into name=*. https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/%EC%9D%B4%EC%A7%84%EC%98%81/history Shall I either revert his changesets in total or shall I change (mechanically/without local knowledge) name=* to name:ko=*? Best regards Michael - -- Per E-Mail kommuniziere ich bevorzugt GPG-verschlüsselt. (Mailinglisten ausgenommen) I prefer GPG encryption of emails. (does not apply on mailing lists) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJXaoPZAAoJEB87G9rMCMyILLAQAKcvg3GQOP2SLq0yD3SyFV57 V1+jtTzkVCSjE7bjtaAZZPcQ4FS5BV4FX2uEXVKoXAuNyLi4x8lPf+VnKeJaXJtz CATOP+ihQcRHO9noEZdzyaL0Licp0NbqtZ0uYkuocZYu+r7ZN7lykz8waXXJibZ7 TTxx54mcQIvd6QY+d87B8x2mGug7ZxGItgmTZ2vmYkjkIgC1FB7HAAvxyECKExop Q/d1AwVQw9356QzrbvvCobDD5kBrYhPxsAyscmZ8wGm5r8Dt+TFUoqARYNJqn7V3 28Aq11dcARNwCBu82ORobhhx8D/g0vXyoqicW3OcXU5FkGc2TGtqwZPSoVz+qhdM JUxRXLJPIh9oub/7fTNZMFaR3NSMLmmM6eTgdJd3RHzRhk8h0S7fxOnw6JKmLjLF 7kG390VCi6qL+ndVEjSQENzJMegmg5vZuOcbYP/vyHlaeg7U7gZvp7dNeWSUERar eUJsoQioTaQpeHuZVE1g3JNnoDqSDzWf6isIHsqs9xDVLRd2FFiZmqPkAp/iTw5/ gLKuB5IzwS5QANwsBIYBWFwAZAkb/PNl1ghl/HTsZ3W6FNGlbByZ7HRwe+Jpr+hS 8eza0DcFlySX+0rPh/fqrud/0nlDxM5/sOJS2lDo/nfs4kwxiQoUW9Zvqh52YHKI 6t4POZiGZE9cSYBzE00v =qnGT -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] How to handle Maps.Me garbage?
On Wednesday, June 22, 2016, Michael Reichert wrote: > by browsing the map, I have discovered the edits of user 이진영 > (Google Translator says that this is a Korean name). He added some > POIs in serveral European countries and entered the Korean name into > name=*. > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/%EC%9D%B4%EC%A7%84%EC%98%81/history > > Shall I either revert his changesets in total or shall I change > (mechanically/without local knowledge) name=* to name:ko=*? > Did somebody get in touch with the people at maps.me? I think they should be involved in the mess their users are causing to our ecosystem. -- -S ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] How to handle Maps.Me garbage?
2016-06-22 14:26 GMT+02:00 Michael Reichert : > Shall I either revert his changesets in total or shall I change > (mechanically/without local knowledge) name=* to name:ko=*? > In the instances of similar cases I have checked, it was mostly improbable that the features would have a name in Corean or Chinese, because it was stuff like restaurants, hotels and even a bus_stop in Italy. Still for some features I bet there is also a Corean name (e.g. the Colosseum). Additionally there might already be a Chinese or Corean name at the feature, and if they differ from the new one, you'd really have to know the language to do it right. In some cases I have not been able to even deduct what they wanted to tag, e.g. for tourism=attraction (a tag maps.me should not set at all in their simple editor IMHO), or things without tags other than name and maybe addressing and website, phone numbers etc. I would add fixme tags and decide on an individual basis how to deal with it. Still, despite all lamentation, I admit that the amount of surveyed addressing information we are getting this way is great (precision to be confirmed). Cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] How to handle Maps.Me garbage?
Did you miss the ongoing thread on this subject? [1] Max even said something about Korean names there too, though this is about the reversed situation [2]. I have no ideas if the names in Korean in your case are transliterations of the local name. You should of course contact the mapper with the explanation that name is for local names. Though as mentioned in the other thread, maps.me seems to be working on a way to handle this situation better. I would hate to see all the wrong use of the name tags in a place like this [3] reverted, but it looks like most of the POIs from this mapper need local surveying. Like Martin said, add a fixme, or convert it into a Note. 1: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2016-June/076114.html 2: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2016-June/076128.html 3: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/13.76370/100.49954 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] How to handle Maps.Me garbage?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi Joost, Am 22.06.2016 um 15:09 schrieb joost schouppe: > Did you miss the ongoing thread on this subject? [1] If read the thread but was not able to draw a conclusion regarding my question. > You should of course contact the mapper with the explanation that > name is for local names. Though as mentioned in the other thread, > maps.me seems to be working on a way to handle this situation > better. I decided not to write a changeset comment because it seems to me to be a waste of time to comment a Maps.Me user's changeset. (There less frequently respond to comments than iD users) Best regards Michael - -- Per E-Mail kommuniziere ich bevorzugt GPG-verschlüsselt. (Mailinglisten ausgenommen) I prefer GPG encryption of emails. (does not apply on mailing lists) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJXao8JAAoJEB87G9rMCMyIk5QP/39986/x9SUS0MZNv0TBh32L 3h0fu4RVSFslBgc2lJYGBnhMMpixMIZhAU9k2lpZlXUj6SFZh4veeAGo2wla6Sqx 7oUI8IaK2Iz639gGWpL2Rpt/3UDpeGyC0SvkpN2lnK/ycu1LsCarBTFB6UnfJOW6 5ur3PrPK230RucFg5bsDJ3zQiPdcVaeWj4mvjH7Nk/gXQWlpirkQOwQ3PFMGi+rd vWaYIAt3497vuOIq+0eapbOnfvxzlbXsSNF2IEG0gzl9fY1XdU49q1baDTIW9o/y iqINXZqlplMRMticqybCXSyZQYPFyr6eVqP9J2tlh+DCylzkISKnL+91bogNWWA3 Fk2K4ldW14DkzJrAKJeKpBDsfb8JYkZhcWt344Lc9gZZxHX0iqJY43AjDN39HOps QeeABXAF488IhXQZzf9hqTuGOJe5YPfLCBj3r54c7Y+ilzpM9JLGoHr/zCQGfwUA 6AtQ1g6vNVYY+SPUtMLWXkwDtFVFkGql3MIfiYiLdsz0yDYM4zz9hevv+KtRRwdt eX8SJI1q8dIHop+rk5uk/jmiwQhtRHYAIGw6IowWxyNyFRWg4TIr/PM4vCXAwj9j QZJH/B5IlFc+dJZXpJJWTAcv7WDyAcH/17N9//RV0QuXslJcNQB7SksbrqgptrcH WfKZqZ+ivAtyPL3gcern =4uVS -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] How to handle Maps.Me garbage?
Hi Martin, Am 22.06.2016 um 15:04 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: > I would add fixme tags and decide on an individual basis how to deal with > it. Still, despite all lamentation, I admit that the amount of surveyed > addressing information we are getting this way is great (precision to be > confirmed). If someone wants to import some low-/mixed quality stuff into OSM and suggest to add fixme=* to lots of objects, we usually refuse to give the import "permission" because such data usually will not be fixed. That's why I think that just reverting is the best solution. Best regards Michael -- Per E-Mail kommuniziere ich bevorzugt GPG-verschlüsselt. (Mailinglisten ausgenommen) I prefer GPG encryption of emails. (does not apply on mailing lists) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] How to handle Maps.Me garbage?
just checked a few of the edits and deleted some nodes. Lee Jin-Jeong did add a couple of things that were already there and in the case of an hostel several times. In Kiev the user added a Korean church with the name "Kiev Korean Unified Church" in Korean. The location is a bit curious though in an industrial aera, but I left that as is. On 2016년 06월 22일 21:26, Michael Reichert wrote: > Hi, > > by browsing the map, I have discovered the edits of user 이진영 > (Google Translator says that this is a Korean name). He added some > POIs in serveral European countries and entered the Korean name into > name=*. > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/%EC%9D%B4%EC%A7%84%EC%98%81/history > > Shall I either revert his changesets in total or shall I change > (mechanically/without local knowledge) name=* to name:ko=*? > > Best regards > > Michael > > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] How to handle Maps.Me garbage?
On 22/06/2016 14:13, Michael Reichert wrote: I decided not to write a changeset comment because it seems to me to be a waste of time to comment a Maps.Me user's changeset. (There less frequently respond to comments than iD users) Because of the language difference I suspect that the chance of a reply from this MAPS.ME user will be less than from others (unless you try an address them in Korean - but that really isn't difficult these days with machine translation). I've certainly had replies from MAPS.ME users in the UK, including someone doing similar things (in Danish - I commented on the changeset in English and Danish). Best Regards, Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] How to handle Maps.Me garbage?
2016-06-22 15:13 GMT+02:00 Michael Reichert : > I decided not to write a changeset comment because it seems to me to > be a waste of time to comment a Maps.Me user's changeset. > It is also a way to document for your fellow mappers what you have found out, not just a way to contact the original mapper. FWIW, I have written quite some changeset comments to maps.me changesets and so far not yet received a single reply. I am not even sure if these comments reach these mappers. Cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] How to handle Maps.Me garbage?
2016-06-22 15:16 GMT+02:00 Michael Reichert : > If someone wants to import some low-/mixed quality stuff into OSM and > suggest to add fixme=* to lots of objects, we usually refuse to give the > import "permission" because such data usually will not be fixed. That's > why I think that just reverting is the best solution. > yes, but the situation here is completely different, because a lot of individuals make each very few edits. Many of them seem to make an best effort, e.g. by entering complete addressing information, website information, contact information like email and phone numbers, opening hours. I'm sure they would also make better classifications if the maps.me editor allowed for it. Cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] How to handle Maps.Me garbage?
On Wed Jun 22 14:52:40 2016 GMT+0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2016-06-22 15:13 GMT+02:00 Michael Reichert : > > > I decided not to write a changeset comment because it seems to me to > > be a waste of time to comment a Maps.Me user's changeset. > > > > > It is also a way to document for your fellow mappers what you have found > out, not just a way to contact the original mapper. FWIW, I have written > quite some changeset comments to maps.me changesets and so far not yet > received a single reply. I am not even sure if these comments reach these > mappers. > It was mentioned on the other thread that many login through facebook, maybe that breaks the link between some users and osm? Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Jolla ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] How to handle Maps.Me garbage?
Andy Townsend gmail.com> writes: > Because of the language difference I suspect that the chance of a reply > from this MAPS.ME user will be less than from others (unless you try an > address them in Korean - but that really isn't difficult these days with > machine translation). > > I've certainly had replies from MAPS.ME users in the UK, including > someone doing similar things (in Danish - I commented on the changeset > in English and Danish). Is there a potential to prepare welcoming responses to common problems in Korean or Chinese? -- Andrew ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk