Re: [TeX-music] triplets in pmx
Thanks Don,
your solution works brilliantly!
I hesitated using \ast, but still I didn't know it better.
You way should go to the tricks of the trade list.
Sonja
Don Simons wrote:
That's a pretty good start. But there are two things I wouldn't do. One is
use \ast as inline TeX. It could cause spacing that PMX doesn't know about,
and that could mess up things like accidental spacing elsewhere in the
system. The other is that you used letters to denote pitches in the inline
TeX. As I wrote twice during the past week, that's not a good idea either,
because it could introduce octave changes that PMX won't know about. It may
not have caused a problem here (I had to guess what octave and clef to
assign since you didn't tell me) but it's still not a good idea, assuming
you won't want to transpose sometime later. Better to use numbers.
I thought about this for quite a while. I think the following comes pretty
close to spacing that PMX would use if it could handle the wierd triplet.
4 4 6 4 6 4 0 0
1 1 20 0
.\
\\let\qut\qu\
\\def\huforqu{\def\qu##1{\hu{##1}\let\qu\qut}}\
%
c25 g0 |
c-2x3nf f g
\huforqu\xnum{2.31}93\ovbkt{14}{2.00}{-4}\ a4 rb1 X-1 gd8x2n f
g2x3nf eD /
e24 d0 | c2 a4 b2 c4 /
rp | rp /
g44 c d b.a b | c2.b g2 /
It sure would be easier if PMX could handle this :-)
--Don Simons
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Subject: Re: [TeX-music] triplets in pmx
Alright, here the first result of my thinking:
It's right, that inline TeX is the much better way to correct things.
Still, it isn't easy.
To make pmx thinking the bar would be full, I inserted an invisible
break. Then I had the problem, that even if the break isn't visible it
still needs space. With three other lines, I cannot afford giving that
space. So I tried to correct the trouble. Neither X nor XS would help
for that, it's still causing weird spaces in the other voices.
Usually pmx is doing a great job in sorting the space. How to trick it?
On the end I used \ast - although I don't think it is an optimal
solution. In the context it looks like that, if somebody needs something
similiar:
c2 g0 | c-2x3nf f g r2b \ast{-5.4}\xnum{2.31}{n}3\ovbkt{s}{2.00}{-5}%
\hu h\Dqbu gf\ g2x3nf eD /
e2 d0 | c2 a4 b2 c4 /
rp | rp /
g4 c d b.a b | c2.b g2 /
I gave you the other lines, too. So you have a better overview. It is
about an renaissance mess and best would be a meterchange in only one
voice. Realization of that with pmx seems to me even more complicated.
The interesting bit is
r2b \ast{-5.4}\xnum{2.31}{n}3\ovbkt{s}{2.00}{-5}\hu h\Dqbu gf\
If one of you knows a better way, please let me know. I like things
really good and I am not satisfied with what I did. The output doesn't
has an optimal layout. And the digits you have to correct by hand.
So far from my side.
Sonja
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RE: [TeX-music] triplets in pmx
That's a pretty good start. But there are two things I wouldn't do. One is
use \ast as inline TeX. It could cause spacing that PMX doesn't know about,
and that could mess up things like accidental spacing elsewhere in the
system. The other is that you used letters to denote pitches in the inline
TeX. As I wrote twice during the past week, that's not a good idea either,
because it could introduce octave changes that PMX won't know about. It may
not have caused a problem here (I had to guess what octave and clef to
assign since you didn't tell me) but it's still not a good idea, assuming
you won't want to transpose sometime later. Better to use numbers.
I thought about this for quite a while. I think the following comes pretty
close to spacing that PMX would use if it could handle the wierd triplet.
4 4 6 4 6 4 0 0
1 1 20 0
.\
\\let\qut\qu\
\\def\huforqu{\def\qu##1{\hu{##1}\let\qu\qut}}\
%
c25 g0 |
c-2x3nf f g
\huforqu\xnum{2.31}93\ovbkt{14}{2.00}{-4}\ a4 rb1 X-1 gd8x2n f
g2x3nf eD /
e24 d0 | c2 a4 b2 c4 /
rp | rp /
g44 c d b.a b | c2.b g2 /
It sure would be easier if PMX could handle this :-)
--Don Simons
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> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 2:12 PM
> To: Typesetting music with TeX
> Subject: Re: [TeX-music] triplets in pmx
>
>
> Alright, here the first result of my thinking:
> It's right, that inline TeX is the much better way to correct things.
> Still, it isn't easy.
> To make pmx thinking the bar would be full, I inserted an invisible
> break. Then I had the problem, that even if the break isn't visible it
> still needs space. With three other lines, I cannot afford giving that
> space. So I tried to correct the trouble. Neither X nor XS would help
> for that, it's still causing weird spaces in the other voices.
> Usually pmx is doing a great job in sorting the space. How to trick it?
>
> On the end I used \ast - although I don't think it is an optimal
> solution. In the context it looks like that, if somebody needs something
> similiar:
>
> c2 g0 | c-2x3nf f g r2b \ast{-5.4}\xnum{2.31}{n}3\ovbkt{s}{2.00}{-5}%
> \hu h\Dqbu gf\ g2x3nf eD /
> e2 d0 | c2 a4 b2 c4 /
> rp | rp /
> g4 c d b.a b | c2.b g2 /
>
> I gave you the other lines, too. So you have a better overview. It is
> about an renaissance mess and best would be a meterchange in only one
> voice. Realization of that with pmx seems to me even more complicated.
>
> The interesting bit is
> r2b \ast{-5.4}\xnum{2.31}{n}3\ovbkt{s}{2.00}{-5}\hu h\Dqbu gf\
>
>
> If one of you knows a better way, please let me know. I like things
> really good and I am not satisfied with what I did. The output doesn't
> has an optimal layout. And the digits you have to correct by hand.
>
> So far from my side.
>
> Sonja
>
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Re: [TeX-music] triplets in pmx
Alright, here the first result of my thinking:
It's right, that inline TeX is the much better way to correct things.
Still, it isn't easy.
To make pmx thinking the bar would be full, I inserted an invisible
break. Then I had the problem, that even if the break isn't visible it
still needs space. With three other lines, I cannot afford giving that
space. So I tried to correct the trouble. Neither X nor XS would help
for that, it's still causing weird spaces in the other voices.
Usually pmx is doing a great job in sorting the space. How to trick it?
On the end I used \ast - although I don't think it is an optimal
solution. In the context it looks like that, if somebody needs something
similiar:
c2 g0 | c-2x3nf f g r2b \ast{-5.4}\xnum{2.31}{n}3\ovbkt{s}{2.00}{-5}%
\hu h\Dqbu gf\ g2x3nf eD /
e2 d0 | c2 a4 b2 c4 /
rp | rp /
g4 c d b.a b | c2.b g2 /
I gave you the other lines, too. So you have a better overview. It is
about an renaissance mess and best would be a meterchange in only one
voice. Realization of that with pmx seems to me even more complicated.
The interesting bit is
r2b \ast{-5.4}\xnum{2.31}{n}3\ovbkt{s}{2.00}{-5}\hu h\Dqbu gf\
If one of you knows a better way, please let me know. I like things
really good and I am not satisfied with what I did. The output doesn't
has an optimal layout. And the digits you have to correct by hand.
So far from my side.
Sonja
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RE: [TeX-music] triplets in pmx
On Tue, 4 Apr 2006, Don Simons wrote: > Sonja-- > > If you are using PMX, then at all costs, you should avoid doing anything > that requires you to edit the TeX file directly. The reason is that every > time you want to change or edit ANYTHING in the PMX, you'll then have to > re-edit the TeX file. That's why I went to the trouble of enabling four > different ways of entering inline TeX into a PMX file. Please try to figure > out a way to do what you want from within the PMX file. > Sometimes it is not possible. I admit that I have used post-editing TeX files quite often. While I agree that it is important not to use it while creating the raw music, I rename the pmx file after it has done its duty to avoid an accidental overwriting of the TeX-file and edit then the tex file. Goudimel's psalter in WIMA has been typeset in this way. Christof ___ TeX-music mailing list TeX-music@icking-music-archive.org http://icking-music-archive.org/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
RE: [TeX-music] triplets in pmx
Sonja-- If you are using PMX, then at all costs, you should avoid doing anything that requires you to edit the TeX file directly. The reason is that every time you want to change or edit ANYTHING in the PMX, you'll then have to re-edit the TeX file. That's why I went to the trouble of enabling four different ways of entering inline TeX into a PMX file. Please try to figure out a way to do what you want from within the PMX file. ==Don Simons > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 4:50 AM > To: Typesetting music with TeX > Subject: Re: [TeX-music] triplets in pmx > > > Alright, I live with it and change the tex-file afterwards. That isn't a > pretty solution, still, it works. > Thanks a lot > Sonja > > > Cornelius C. Noack wrote: > > On Mon, 3 Apr 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > >> That's a very good question. It's not a situation I ever considered, > >> and I'm afraid the only approaches I can think of right now would use > >> inline TeX. Maybe some of the list's master TeXnicians/PMXperts can > >> come up with something more clever. > >> > >> --Don Simons > >> > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>> Hi there, > >>> > >>> I cannot find anything in the pmx documentation about a > special triplet > >>> with for example a 2 followed by two 8s . There is written about the D > >>> and F possibilities. But not about the simple case, that there may > >>> follow quicker notes than the biginning one. Is there a way to write > >>> that in pmx or do I have to insert MusiXTeX? > >>> > >>> a2x3D g > >>> How do I put two 8s instead of the last 4 g? > >>> > >>> Thanks a lot > >>> Sonja > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> TeX-music mailing list > >>> TeX-music@icking-music-archive.org > >>> http://icking-music-archive.org/mailman/listinfo/tex-music > >> > >> ___ > >> TeX-music mailing list > >> TeX-music@icking-music-archive.org > >> http://icking-music-archive.org/mailman/listinfo/tex-music > >> > > There is nothing to add to Don's commentary, except that you are > > not the first to notice this problem with PMX: compare what W.A.M. > > has to say about it: > > > >http://icking-music-archive.org/software/pmx/pmxccn.pdf > > [ Chapter B.4.6 (p.30) ]. > > > > Note that there I said: "<> xtuplets" :-( > > > > ccn. > > ___ > TeX-music mailing list > TeX-music@icking-music-archive.org > http://icking-music-archive.org/mailman/listinfo/tex-music > ___ TeX-music mailing list TeX-music@icking-music-archive.org http://icking-music-archive.org/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
Re: [TeX-music] triplets in pmx
Alright, I live with it and change the tex-file afterwards. That isn't a pretty solution, still, it works. Thanks a lot Sonja Cornelius C. Noack wrote: On Mon, 3 Apr 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a very good question. It's not a situation I ever considered, and I'm afraid the only approaches I can think of right now would use inline TeX. Maybe some of the list's master TeXnicians/PMXperts can come up with something more clever. --Don Simons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there, I cannot find anything in the pmx documentation about a special triplet with for example a 2 followed by two 8s . There is written about the D and F possibilities. But not about the simple case, that there may follow quicker notes than the biginning one. Is there a way to write that in pmx or do I have to insert MusiXTeX? a2x3D g How do I put two 8s instead of the last 4 g? Thanks a lot Sonja ___ TeX-music mailing list TeX-music@icking-music-archive.org http://icking-music-archive.org/mailman/listinfo/tex-music ___ TeX-music mailing list TeX-music@icking-music-archive.org http://icking-music-archive.org/mailman/listinfo/tex-music There is nothing to add to Don's commentary, except that you are not the first to notice this problem with PMX: compare what W.A.M. has to say about it: http://icking-music-archive.org/software/pmx/pmxccn.pdf [ Chapter B.4.6 (p.30) ]. Note that there I said: "<> xtuplets" :-( ccn. ___ TeX-music mailing list TeX-music@icking-music-archive.org http://icking-music-archive.org/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
Re: [TeX-music] triplets in pmx
On Mon, 3 Apr 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a very good question. It's not a situation I ever considered, and I'm afraid the only approaches I can think of right now would use inline TeX. Maybe some of the list's master TeXnicians/PMXperts can come up with something more clever. --Don Simons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there, I cannot find anything in the pmx documentation about a special triplet with for example a 2 followed by two 8s . There is written about the D and F possibilities. But not about the simple case, that there may follow quicker notes than the biginning one. Is there a way to write that in pmx or do I have to insert MusiXTeX? a2x3D g How do I put two 8s instead of the last 4 g? Thanks a lot Sonja ___ TeX-music mailing list TeX-music@icking-music-archive.org http://icking-music-archive.org/mailman/listinfo/tex-music ___ TeX-music mailing list TeX-music@icking-music-archive.org http://icking-music-archive.org/mailman/listinfo/tex-music There is nothing to add to Don's commentary, except that you are not the first to notice this problem with PMX: compare what W.A.M. has to say about it: http://icking-music-archive.org/software/pmx/pmxccn.pdf [ Chapter B.4.6 (p.30) ]. Note that there I said: "<> xtuplets" :-( ccn. -- . Prof.Dr. Cornelius C. Noack Phones: Inst. f. Theor. Physik FB 1 office : +49 (421) 218-2427 Universit"at Bremen secretary: -2422 Otto-Hahn-Allee Fax : -4869 D - 28334 Bremen home : +49 (421) 34 22 36 Fax: 346 7872 E-mail: noack at itp.uni-bremen.de or ccnoack at mailaps.org WWW-page: www.itp.uni-bremen.de/~noack . ___ TeX-music mailing list TeX-music@icking-music-archive.org http://icking-music-archive.org/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
Re: [TeX-music] triplets in pmx
That's a very good question. It's not a situation I ever considered, and I'm afraid the only approaches I can think of right now would use inline TeX. Maybe some of the list's master TeXnicians/PMXperts can come up with something more clever. --Don Simons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi there, > > I cannot find anything in the pmx documentation about a special triplet > with for example a 2 followed by two 8s . There is written about the D > and F possibilities. But not about the simple case, that there may > follow quicker notes than the biginning one. Is there a way to write > that in pmx or do I have to insert MusiXTeX? > > a2x3D g > How do I put two 8s instead of the last 4 g? > > Thanks a lot > Sonja > > > > ___ > TeX-music mailing list > TeX-music@icking-music-archive.org > http://icking-music-archive.org/mailman/listinfo/tex-music ___ TeX-music mailing list TeX-music@icking-music-archive.org http://icking-music-archive.org/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
