[tw5] Re: Is it possible to apply conditional styling to links?

[TW Tones]

Great, Thanks for Sharing Brian TiddlyWiki Spinner.

Tones
On Monday, 9 August 2021 at 10:58:49 UTC+10 Brian Radspinner wrote:

> Woah, 
>
> I just realized that I can use this kind of thinking to flag tiddler 
> titles in the Recent tab with unicode characters to make them stand out 
> with editing the titles...
>
> <$list filter="[prefix[Test ]first[]splitbefore[ 
> ]encodeuri[]addprefix[#]]">
>
>a.tc-tiddlylink[href^="{{{ [] }}}"]::after { 
> content:"\2B50"; }
>
> 
>
> results in:
>
> a.tc-tiddlylink[href^="#Test%20"]::after { content:"\2B50"; } 
>
> inside a stylesheet, which makes lists automatically add a gold star to 
> tiddler titles starting with "Test ". 
>
> "*Test 1*", "*Test 2*", and "*Test 3*" can all be flagged with gold stars 
> to draw attention to them, without actually putting the character in the 
> tiddlers' titles. 
> [image: CrazyLinkFlagging_TW.jpg]
>
>
> TiddlyWiki and current CSS standards continuing to blow my mind
>
>
>
> On Sunday, August 1, 2021 at 6:06:38 PM UTC-7 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> Mat,
>>
>> The key issue with using the style tags is when they are displaying they 
>> apply to the whole page. Unless the CSS you use there in is selective, it 
>> will impact anything on the page that the css can apply to. This can cause 
>> side effects. Especialy if conflicking styles are "visible"
>>
>> I have used them inside lists and reveals quite successfully because it 
>> becomes conditional css, but best it defines a custom class you reference 
>> in the tiddler or use other strict css selectors eg target an particular 
>> html tag or ID  
>>
>> Style blocks are great for design and testing.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tones
>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] CSS for tooltips in TiddlyWiki?

[TW Tones]

The html title attribute can be used for tooltips

WHO was founded in 
1948.
W3Schools.com

Knowing this I found How to change the style of the title attribute inside 
an anchor tag? 

The title attribute is a Global attribute 


Stylesheet
a {
  position: relative;
  display: inline-block;
  margin-top: 20px;
}

a[title]:hover::after {
  content: attr(title);
  color: red;
  position: absolute;
  top: -100%;
  left: 0;
}

Other tiddler
http://www.google.com/; title="Hello world!"> Hover over me 

Which suggests that there is no styling outside your control.

Now all you need to do do is get your css selector to target the div span 
or other element to handle your link or use the href instead. Or target the 
CSAS classes used in the link widget.

Regards
Tones
On Monday, 9 August 2021 at 00:24:57 UTC+10 David Gifford wrote:

> Thanks Jeremy and flanc...
>
> 1. This is for me, so in this case I am not worried about other users with 
> touchscreens, or compatibility.
>
> 2. Let me go about this another way, then. First, here is the styling I 
> did to create the custom tooltip:
>
> a[title]:hover::after { content: attr(title); position: relative; top: 
> -5px; left: 10px; width:450px; 
> color:#000;background-color:#eee;padding:5px;padding-right:10px; }
>
> 3. The above looks great, but then moments later the 'normal' TiddlyWiki 
> tooltip shows up. Is there any way to hide it? Or delay it so long it won't 
> interfere?
>
>
>
> On Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 9:59:30 AM UTC-4 Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> Sadly, browsers do not allow web pages to apply styles to tooltips.
>>
>> It is possible to create fake tooltips in CSS and JavaScript that can be 
>> styled, but these approaches compromise accessibility and compatibility.
>>
>> Another point to bear in mind is that there's no guarantee that all users 
>> will be able to see tooltips because they are not compatible with touch 
>> screens.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy.
>>
>> --
>> Jeremy Ruston
>> jer...@jermolene.com
>> https://jermolene.com
>>
>> On 8 Aug 2021, at 14:43, David Gifford  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> I would like to style the tooltip that comes up when hovering over a 
>> link. 
>>
>> I tried a snippet I found online for regular tooltips, but that created a 
>> second tooltip, so both appear near each other. I would just like to style 
>> the one for TiddlyWiki links created with the link widget below. I want to 
>> use it to display short inline hidden notes.
>>
>> <$link to="." tooltip="this is the tooltip">**
>>
>> Anyone know the CSS for TW tooltips? I skimmed vanilla base but did not 
>> find anything.
>>
>> Thanks in advance, Dave
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Notes from the Coalface: Pasting URL's with pretty title

[TW Tones]

Just to follow up


   - At the moment the permalink to a tiddler copies the encoded url, if 
   you paste this anywhere else you keep the encoded link. 
  - Click and it works however the pretty title is lost or non 
  existent. 
  - This copy only ever captures the encoded URL
   - If however you make the tiddler titles into links and copy that using 
   select and copy, you can past this almost anywhere, email, GG, word and 
   other Rich text environments
  - In some only the pretty link is pasted (not URL)
  - *In many the link is pasted and is displayed behind the original 
  pretty link (this is the** most desirable)*
  - In some including plain text fields eg tiddler text fields only the 
  encoded url is pasted
   
What I would like;

   - The existing permalink to do the equivalent of highlight and copy
   - Provide the ability to drop/paste such links from the clipboard into 
   tiddlywiki and capture both the link and pretty title
  - Ideally directly and to the [[prettylink||urllink]] form required 
  by Tiddlywiki
  - Alternatively as a HTML a record prettylink
   - What I would like less
  - If necessary a mechanism to drop/paste into an intermediate 
  mechanism
  - Another form of the permalink but with the desired copy behaviour.
   
Regards
Tones
On Monday, 9 August 2021 at 04:07:55 UTC+10 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> Yeah, I know what you mean especially with the %20's all over the place.
>
> That can be fairly easily resolved by sticking with camel case for 
> tiddler names.
>
> I very much dislike camel case *(cognitive annoyances)* in my 
> TiddlyWikis, so much so that I prefer live with those ugly %20's in links, 
> to everybody else's very understandable chagrin.
>
> Being an incessant Tiddler Title Tweaker (a 3T-er? a threeter?), I'm 
> moving towards internal ID's as part of URL's, to prevent future link rot 
> re distributed URL's (link rot caused by my "threeting".)  Yeah, I coddle 
> my sanity, or maybe insanity, and wind up perpetuating ugly URL's.
>
> Let's say I get what you mean, but I've surrendered to ugly URL syndrome 
> as the easier to live with evil.  (thank goodness for the pretty links.)
>
> On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 2:27 PM Soren Bjornstad  
> wrote:
>
>> Um, there was no disagreement in this thread with Tones.
>>>
>>> Tones' initial post was about getting pretty links when the URL encoding 
>>> are ugly.  I think that's great.  *(Already a usual habit of mine, just 
>>> grabbing them links from the "Open" sidebar tab instead.)* 
>>>
>>
>> It sounded to me like Tones also had an opinion on the existence of "ugly 
>> URLs," which is why I responded from back there, but maybe that was just me 
>> misreading the post.
>>   
>>
>>> [A]re you both suggesting that it would be better to instead change URL 
>>> encoding so they don't have things like "#" and "%20" in them ?
>>>
>>
>> No, I'm suggesting that when one has an opportunity to choose the format 
>> of a URL, one should choose one that uses as few internal IDs and special 
>> characters (since those turn into %-encoding) as possible. (I don't see any 
>> problem with # in itself, that has a clearly defined meaning and isn't 
>> ugly.) I do not think that TiddlyWiki is doing anything wrong here – I was 
>> just trying to explain what some people might consider an ugly URL.
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[tw5] Re: Shiraz Plugin: Lets use Tiddlywiki with More Ease

[TW Tones]

Yes all of the above,

This kind of thing is often time consuming,

Looking forward to it.

Thanks in advance
Tones


On Monday, 9 August 2021 at 02:38:00 UTC+10 Mohammad wrote:

>
>- Do you like to convert your old static/plain table in a tiddler into 
>a sortable table just by calling a macro  (no edit, no hassles,  ...)
>- Do you like to drop a CSV text file into tiddlywiki and in a second 
>generate a dynamic table?
>- Do you like to copy paste part of a worksheet from Excel, Google 
>Sheet, Libre Office Calc, ... into a tiddler and TW generate a nice 
>sortable table for you?
>- Do you like to create tables from plain texts just by calling a 
>simple macro?
>- Do you like to create task lists from plain text (just like GitHub)?
>- Write you tasks/todo as you write on a piece of paper and then get a 
>task list! Do you like this?
>
>
> *Sit back, relax, and let Shiraz do all the work  ;-)*
>
>
> Stay tuned, Shiraz on *Tiddlywiki 5.0.2* is coming!
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>

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[tw5] Re: Dreaming of "TidEdit", an in-browser TiddlyWiki WikiText editor

[Charlie Veniot]

I put together, for the giggles, a quick and dirty picture of what I'm 
thinking.

A nice little HTML file that, when opened in the browser, shows a tiddler 
editor.

So just a small text editor that allows entering TW wikitext markup, with a 
preview window.  Well, a preview window that only renders wikitext (so not 
the other goodies normally done by TiddlyWiki, like procesing 
transclusions, widgets, macros, etc.)

On Friday, August 6, 2021 at 11:28:57 PM UTC-3 Charlie Veniot wrote:

> Something like StackEdit , but to create and 
> edit TID files using TiddlyWiki WikiText.
>
> Essentially just a web page (a seriously stripped-down TiddlyWiki?) that 
> looks like a single tiddler in edit mode.  With nothing else except:
>
>- a save button to download the content as a TID file
>- an open button, to find and open an existing TID file
>- a new button to start editing a new TID
>- *minus* some of the edit buttons that normally exist in a TiddlyWiki
>   - excise button
>   - wikitext link button
>   - wrap in square brackets button
>   - wrap in curly brackets button
>   - insert picture button
>   - insert pre-configured snippet of text button
>   - choose the height of the text editor button
>- minus the "tiddler type" and "add a new field" bits
>
> Why?  I like the concept of simple markdown editors for quick 
> note-taking.  
>
> I could use a simple text editor to create and save TID files, but having 
> something like StackEdit as a single HTML file meant for editing TID's, 
> with the preview pane right there like these markdown editors ... that 
> would be pretty frigging cool.
>
> Of course, I do not have the coding chops to build something like this.  I 
> imagine for somebody who knows what he/she is doing, it would be a matter 
> of grabbing the useful pre-existing bits right out of TiddlyWiki.
>
> I'm hoping somebody might find this dream of mine interesting enough, the 
> kind of editor useful enough, to slap it together?
>
> A simple "TidEdit" editor for quick note-taking.  Running in the browser 
> on any device.  That would be pretty cool.
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Dreaming of "TidEdit", an in-browser TiddlyWiki WikiText editor

[Charlie Veniot]

Although that does look pretty sweet ...

I have a Chromebook, which I rather like because of the lightness / 
minimalism of living in a web browser.

Although I could install the Linux version of VSCode, it would be quicker 
for me to load a TiddlyWiki from Google Drive whenever I want to just write 
down a quick note.  I only bring up the Linux container when I really must 
do something with a heavy app, i.e. something I just can't do with online 
apps or apps in the Chrome web store.

Nah, seems like Skrifa 

 
is my best bet when I want to write a quick note that needs a little text 
formatting to organize whatever related thoughts about something.

Although I figure Google Keep/Mail/Calendar will be my go to places for 
quick plain text notes, I can see me using the Text 

 
editor too.

On Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 7:54:25 PM UTC-3 joshua@gmail.com wrote:

> If you want to skip loading a TW into memory, and just work on TID files, 
> I would actually suggest VSCode and my TW5 Syntax plugin:
>
>
> https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=joshua-fontany.tw5-syntax
>
> This has hot-key shortcuts that allow you to create the block of metadata 
> (created/creator, etc), or update a modified timestamp with a hotkey.
>
> The workflow is literally: New file -> .tid, hotkey for meta-data -> tab 
> between titlke, creator, etc, tab to go to Text field.
>
> Best,
> Joshua Fontany
> On Saturday, August 7, 2021 at 11:36:17 PM UTC-7 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Nah, Chromebook.  Half-a-dozen TiddlyWikis.  All on Google Drive and 
>> accessed with TiddlyDrive.  I don't really want to have all of them open 
>> all day for whenever I might have a thought.
>>
>> I much prefer throw notes in quickly loaded small/distraction-free apps, 
>> so it is just a quick trip to the computer while I put chores/whatever on 
>> hold for just a second.  Later when I can sit down, I can do the TiddlyWiki 
>> work.
>>
>> Skrifa 
>> 
>>  seems 
>> like the right tool for the job for quick-note taking, when I want a little 
>> formatting to quickly organize more complicated notes.  Otherwise Google 
>> Keep or Gmail or Google Calendar for short/simple text notes.
>>
>> The Skrifa notes, the HTML for them can be copied into TiddlyWiki as-is.  
>> Not as convenient as having a "TidEdit" app, but it is quick and TW handles 
>> the HTML natively (i.e. don't need a plugin like I would if I was pasting 
>> markdown text into my tiddlers.)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 3:16 AM maki aea  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> hi i'm guessing you're on android? i'm on an old iphone and i basically 
>>> have tiddlywiki open all day using quine2. been using saq's streams lately 
>>> with a tweaked shortcut to save tiddler+stream, shift+z. works really well 
>>> for quick notetaking on ios. have customised the layout quite a bit ( 
>>> http://makiaea.org ) for mobile but the heavy lifting is from streams 
>>> and shift+z. hope you can find something that works for you
>>> On Saturday, August 7, 2021 at 6:47:34 PM UTC+1 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I just found a better reference (i.e. in-browser simple text editor):  
 https://browserpad.org/

 That one knows filename when opening a file, and remembers that 
 filename on "save" ("save/export", in my mind.)

 If that thing had TW formatting buttons and a preview pane, it would be 
 exactly what I'm looking for. (Well, I wouldn't want the spell-checking 
 check box, nor that github button in the bottom-right.) 



 On Saturday, August 7, 2021 at 1:41:35 PM UTC-3 Charlie Veniot wrote:

> In regards to open and save *(just for 
> reference:  https://www.outpan.com/app/e7d5b37405/mytextarea 
> )* ...
>
> I'm thinking an open button like the one in that editor, and an 
> export/save button that works exactly like the tiddler export button in 
> TiddlyWiki, with just the TID option or with more/all options.
>
> So no save mechanisms.  Just enter WikiText-à-la-TiddlyWiki, preview, 
> and click export as TID.
>
>
> Whenever I just want to take down a quick note, TiddlyWiki is rarely 
> my first choice.  Using my Chromebook, I typically go to Gmail or Google 
> Keep, or even Google Calendar, first.
>
> Having a small HTML page, i.e. TidEdit app, available to me, I could 
> see myself going there first when I want to take down a note that is 
> slightly more substantial organization-wise, but not so substantial that 
> I 
> want to open a TiddlyWiki (which I keep on Google Drive, using the 
> TiddlyDrive add-on app.)  So a bit like a simple text editor, 

[tw5] Re: Highlighting duplicates in lists

[paulgilbert2000]

Thank you tones

Will take me a while to understand all that . but it works like a charm , 
and its even more than what i have asked for

thanks again:)

On Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 7:31:10 AM UTC+2 TW Tones wrote:

> Mohamad,
>
> I am happy to look at solving the problem presented but my suspicion 
> remains that there may be a different way to put the question in the first 
> place. 
>
> Sometimes a question can be rephrased such that the answer is simpler to 
> find.
>
>- In this we have multiple tiddlers, with multiple fields, with 
>*values* that may be duplicated across these tiddlers/fields.
>- in effect you want to list all tiddlers using the select fields, 
>list these for each tiddler then for each found value
>   -  detect when that value occurs in any other tiddler (not self?) 
>   or select fields, if it does highlight it.
>- I am not sure why you want to do this and can think of many ways to 
>list/interpret the data! 
>- What about triplicates?
>- What about duplicates in the same tiddler?
>
> I think using your test data this is what you wanted?
>
> 
> <$list filter="[all[]has[field_example]]">
><$set name=other-values 
> filter="[all[]!get[field_example]] 
> [all[]!titleget[field_example2]] 
> [all[]!titleget[field_example3]] +[sort[]]">
><>: |  
><$list filter="[all[current]get[field_example]] 
> [all[current]get[field_example2]] [all[current]get[field_example3]]" 
> variable=field-value>
> matchthen[color: 
> red;]] }}}><>
> 
>
> 
> 
>
> It will also highlight triplicates...
>
> A slightly more efficient method is available that could actually could 
> the number of repeats and color red if > 1
>
> <$set name=all-values filter="=[all[]get[field_example]] 
> =[all[]get[field_example2]] =[all[]get[field_example3]]">
> "<>" {{{ [split[ ]count[]] }}}
> 
> <$list filter="[all[]has[field_example]]">
><>: |  
><$list filter="[all[current]get[field_example]] 
> [all[current]get[field_example2]] [all[current]get[field_example3]]" 
> variable=field-value>
> <$set name=value-count filter="[split[ 
> ]matchcount[]]">
> compare:number:gt[1]then[color: 
> Red;]] }}} ><> (<>)
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> Of course in the above you can choose not to show the count of the same 
> value delete  "(<>)"
>
> Regards
> Tones
>
> On Sunday, 8 August 2021 at 02:05:57 UTC+10 mohamed...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi Tones,
>>
>> sorry for the late reply , i wasn't clear at all in my last question 
>> actually
>>
>> So for example ,if  every tiddler has three fields  , field_example , 
>> field_example2 and  field_example3 
>>
>> [image: Capture.PNG]
>>
>> and they are populated with values as such
>>
>> *   tiddler 1*has in field_example "3" And in field_example2 "2"
>> And in field_example3 "6"
>> and
>>*tiddler 2 *   has in field_example "4" And in field_example2 "9"
>> And in field_example3 "8"
>> and
>>*tiddler 3*has in field_example "2" And in field_example2 "7" 
>>And in field_example3 "5"
>> and
>>*tiddler 4*has in field_example "1" And in field_example2 "2" 
>>And in field_example3 "4"   
>>
>>
>>  as you can see, the number 2  is reoccurring in different fields in 
>> different tiddlers , so when doing a list, can all these tiddlers  which 
>> has a 2 be highlighted
>>
>> [image: Capture2.PNG]
>>
>> even better can the transcluded values only be highlighted and not the 
>> whole line
>> [image: Capture3.PNG] 
>>
>> i have attached a sample file with with the test data i am working with
>>  
>>
>> Thanks again for your help
>>
>>
>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 2:33:26 AM UTC+2 TW Tones wrote:
>>
>>> Mohamad,
>>>
>>> My solution above can be used to do this for multiple fields/criteria 
>>> because it re-examines the whole list every time. This makes it logically 
>>> very flexible but revisiting the whole list for every special field for 
>>> each tiddler is not very high performance. There are other "algorithms you 
>>> can deploy" if you describe the full problem, especially if you can share 
>>> test data.
>>>
>>> The thing is, what you want to achieve could be addressed more 
>>> efficiently with better knowledge of the input data(set), and ensuring that 
>>> data is arranged appropriately. Over in the aforementioned  github item 
>>> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/discussions/5925 I think a 
>>> solution may be a *report widget* designed for most reporting 
>>> requirements ie beyond the list widget features. However even in this case 
>>> you will need to give further thought on your input data and its structure.
>>>
>>> Mohamad - you could generate a list of tiddlers with duplicate *A* 
>>> fields and another with a list of duplicate *B* fields then in the list 
>>> test if each title exists in these lists.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Tones
>>> On Monday, 2 August 2021 at 09:23:23 UTC+10 mohamed...@hotmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi,

Re: [tw5] Re: Dreaming of "TidEdit", an in-browser TiddlyWiki WikiText editor

[Joshua Fontany]

If you want to skip loading a TW into memory, and just work on TID files, I 
would actually suggest VSCode and my TW5 Syntax plugin:

https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=joshua-fontany.tw5-syntax

This has hot-key shortcuts that allow you to create the block of metadata 
(created/creator, etc), or update a modified timestamp with a hotkey.

The workflow is literally: New file -> .tid, hotkey for meta-data -> tab 
between titlke, creator, etc, tab to go to Text field.

Best,
Joshua Fontany
On Saturday, August 7, 2021 at 11:36:17 PM UTC-7 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> Nah, Chromebook.  Half-a-dozen TiddlyWikis.  All on Google Drive and 
> accessed with TiddlyDrive.  I don't really want to have all of them open 
> all day for whenever I might have a thought.
>
> I much prefer throw notes in quickly loaded small/distraction-free apps, 
> so it is just a quick trip to the computer while I put chores/whatever on 
> hold for just a second.  Later when I can sit down, I can do the TiddlyWiki 
> work.
>
> Skrifa 
> 
>  seems 
> like the right tool for the job for quick-note taking, when I want a little 
> formatting to quickly organize more complicated notes.  Otherwise Google 
> Keep or Gmail or Google Calendar for short/simple text notes.
>
> The Skrifa notes, the HTML for them can be copied into TiddlyWiki as-is.  
> Not as convenient as having a "TidEdit" app, but it is quick and TW handles 
> the HTML natively (i.e. don't need a plugin like I would if I was pasting 
> markdown text into my tiddlers.)
>
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 3:16 AM maki aea  wrote:
>
>>
>> hi i'm guessing you're on android? i'm on an old iphone and i basically 
>> have tiddlywiki open all day using quine2. been using saq's streams lately 
>> with a tweaked shortcut to save tiddler+stream, shift+z. works really well 
>> for quick notetaking on ios. have customised the layout quite a bit ( 
>> http://makiaea.org ) for mobile but the heavy lifting is from streams 
>> and shift+z. hope you can find something that works for you
>> On Saturday, August 7, 2021 at 6:47:34 PM UTC+1 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I just found a better reference (i.e. in-browser simple text editor):  
>>> https://browserpad.org/
>>>
>>> That one knows filename when opening a file, and remembers that filename 
>>> on "save" ("save/export", in my mind.)
>>>
>>> If that thing had TW formatting buttons and a preview pane, it would be 
>>> exactly what I'm looking for. (Well, I wouldn't want the spell-checking 
>>> check box, nor that github button in the bottom-right.) 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 7, 2021 at 1:41:35 PM UTC-3 Charlie Veniot wrote:
>>>
 In regards to open and save *(just for 
 reference:  https://www.outpan.com/app/e7d5b37405/mytextarea 
 )* ...

 I'm thinking an open button like the one in that editor, and an 
 export/save button that works exactly like the tiddler export button in 
 TiddlyWiki, with just the TID option or with more/all options.

 So no save mechanisms.  Just enter WikiText-à-la-TiddlyWiki, preview, 
 and click export as TID.


 Whenever I just want to take down a quick note, TiddlyWiki is rarely my 
 first choice.  Using my Chromebook, I typically go to Gmail or Google 
 Keep, 
 or even Google Calendar, first.

 Having a small HTML page, i.e. TidEdit app, available to me, I could 
 see myself going there first when I want to take down a note that is 
 slightly more substantial organization-wise, but not so substantial that I 
 want to open a TiddlyWiki (which I keep on Google Drive, using the 
 TiddlyDrive add-on app.)  So a bit like a simple text editor, but a little 
 bit StackEdit-like, with a way to get the content into a TID.

 With something like that, I might actually use my small+old smartphone 
 for more than just phone and text-messaging...

 On Saturday, August 7, 2021 at 1:01:22 PM UTC-3 Charlie Veniot wrote:

> Define backward.
>
> To me, it is like the difference between a small text editor and a 
> word processor.  Using a text editor for certain things, instead of a 
> full 
> Word Processor isn't going backwards.  It is just using the simplest tool 
> that makes sense for an immediate need.
>
> Same thing for "TidEdit".  It is just about reaching for the simplest 
> and quickest tool for an immediate need (just jot down a note) , yet 
> having 
> that WikiText available (and preview) for quick visual organization of 
> that 
> one note, however short/long, for later serious processing.
>
> In a way, it boils down to that difference (in my mind, anyway) 
> between note-taking and note-making.
>
> I imagine TidEdit as something complimentary to TiddlyWiki, a really 

[tw5] Re: Table-of-Contents Macros

[springer]

Stefan,

The toc macro will sort tiddlers according to their current tag-specific 
order (stored in the list field of the tag's own tiddler). The most 
straightforward way to sort them differently is to find the tag-pill for 
the tag, click to show a "drop-down" list from the tag-pill, and drag your 
tiddlers into your preferred order. (I have modified my ViewTemplate 
subtitle shadow to show any tiddler's own tag-pill (if it serves as a tag), 
so that reordering the list is always handy.

You can also specify a sort order within the toc macro itself, if it's the 
kind of sort that can be automated:

<>

(Is there a reason you're using the more verbose macrocall, rather than 
this more compact syntax?)

For the colors, you should be able to use the palette editor for your 
chosen palette. If you're stuck (even after scanning the editable palette) 
you can use the browser's "inspect" function to peek behind the scenes to 
understand the css class being applied.

-Springer

On Saturday, August 7, 2021 at 12:39:23 PM UTC-4 S² wrote:

> Any ideas?
> Stefan
>
> S² schrieb am Donnerstag, 5. August 2021 um 17:50:09 UTC+2:
>
>> Hi Mario,
>>
>> I use 'Twilight ' color palette.
>>
>> Stefan
>>
>> PMario schrieb am Donnerstag, 5. August 2021 um 17:11:32 UTC+2:
>>
>>> Hi, 
>>> Which theme and which palette do you use in the screenshot?
>>> -mario
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 4:27:46 PM UTC+2 S² wrote:
>>>
 Hello forum,

 for the TOC I use the macro "toc-tabbed-internal-nav".
 1. Is it possible to sort the list?
 2. where are the colors defined for the selected tiddler (hover)?
 [image: toc-tabbed.png]

 Thanks
 Stefan

>>>

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[tw5] Re: Shiraz Plugin: Lets use Tiddlywiki with More Ease

[springer]

Surely you mean v5.2.0  ;)
Can't wait!
-Springer

On Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 12:38:00 PM UTC-4 Mohammad wrote:

>
>- Do you like to convert your old static/plain table in a tiddler into 
>a sortable table just by calling a macro  (no edit, no hassles,  ...)
>- Do you like to drop a CSV text file into tiddlywiki and in a second 
>generate a dynamic table?
>- Do you like to copy paste part of a worksheet from Excel, Google 
>Sheet, Libre Office Calc, ... into a tiddler and TW generate a nice 
>sortable table for you?
>- Do you like to create tables from plain texts just by calling a 
>simple macro?
>- Do you like to create task lists from plain text (just like GitHub)?
>- Write you tasks/todo as you write on a piece of paper and then get a 
>task list! Do you like this?
>
>
> *Sit back, relax, and let Shiraz do all the work  ;-)*
>
>
> Stay tuned, Shiraz on *Tiddlywiki 5.0.2* is coming!
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
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[tw5] Re: cannot transclude a tiddler name built from inside a macro

[Soren Bjornstad]

The links I gave you were to my TiddlyWiki textbook, not the TW 
documentation. It might not be "self-contained" since it's intended to be 
in the context of the whole course, but I think you'll find it more useful 
than the TW documentation at your skill level.

On Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 1:27:08 PM UTC-5 CarloGgi wrote:

> Yes Soren, you are right: I have little understanding of the inner gears 
> of text substitution and wikification in TW, nor did I find a thorough, 
> comprehensive and self-contained guide to the matter so far: all the TW 
> documentation I went through is a mess of scantly-explained (if ever), 
> loosely-consistent, scattered bits of information, and this is a pity 
> because the software has tremendous potentiality. Maybe you can point me to 
> some good documentation anyway, of which I would be grateful.
>
> Thanks and regards,
> CG
>
>
> On Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 8:22:13 PM UTC+3 Soren Bjornstad wrote:
>
>> I second CJ in saying that the {{{ [addsuffix[whatever]] 
>> }}} route is usually a better way to concatenate text, especially when you 
>> don't know much TiddlyWiki.
>>
>> You're getting bitten by not understanding text substitution 
>>  and wikification 
>> , which are both quite 
>> complex and require you to understand how TiddlyWiki actually goes about 
>> processing macros and rendering tiddlers. In contrast, your intuition will 
>> usually work fine with filters.
>>
>> On Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 11:08:29 AM UTC-5 CarloGgi wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hallo,
>>> quite new to TW and I love it, though it is dramatically underdocumented 
>>> and the whole docs are an almost unusable mess.
>>>
>>> To my biggest astonishment, when I try to dynamically build the name of 
>>> a tiddler from inisde a macro, that macro output cannot be used from within 
>>> a transclude widget.
>>>
>>> \define getMeTiddlerName(a_suffix) <>$a_suffix$ 
>>>
>>> <$list filter="whateveFilterHere">
>>> <$transclude tiddler=<> /> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> In the example above, I obtain the tiddler's name by adding suffix 'EN' 
>>> to current tiddler, which the macro DOES, but then its output 
>>> <> doesn't make transclude widget behave as expected.
>>>
>>> I also tried many combinations of single/double quotes, as for instance 
>>> in:
>>>
>>> <$transclude tiddler="<>" /> 
>>>
>>> but no result at all: the transclude widget DOESN'T transclude the 
>>> dynamically-built tiddler SOMETIDDLERNAME_EN
>>>
>>> Not even the simpler version with hard-coded suffix works:
>>>
>>> \define getMeTiddlerName() <>_EN 
>>>
>>> <$list filter="whateveFilterHere">
>>> <$transclude tiddler=<> /> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> Nor does it using double quotes for 'tiddler' parameter inside 
>>> transclude widget:
>>>
>>> \define getMeTiddlerName() <>_EN 
>>>
>>> <$list filter="whateveFilterHere">
>>> <$transclude tiddler="<>" /> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> Thanks for helping, s frustrated!
>>>
>>> CG
>>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: cannot transclude a tiddler name built from inside a macro

[CarloGgi]

Thanks a lot Eric, valuable hints to better understand how TW works.
Anyway, "whateveFilterHere" is just pseudo-code written here for the sake 
of simplicity. In my actual code there is a true filter, and it works fine, 
feeding the correct filtered list of tiddlers to the <$list> widget.

Thanks again and regards, :-)
CG


On Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 9:29:04 PM UTC+3 Eric Shulman wrote:

> \define getMeTiddlerName(a_suffix) $(currentTiddler)$$a_suffix$
>
> In the macro definition above, $(currentTiddler)$ *substitutes the value 
> from the currentTiddler variable* and then adds the specified $a_suffix$ 
> parameter value.
>
> When you wrote this:
> <$list filter="whateveFilterHere">
> <$transclude tiddler=<> />
> 
> The surrounding $list widget *sets the value of the currentTiddler 
> variable* to "whateveFilterHere".
> Thus, the macro output was "whateveFilterHere_EN", which almost certainly 
> didn't exist in your file, so no transclusion happened.
>
> Then, when you wrote this:
><>
> to "print to screen the macro output", the macro wasn't contained inside a 
> $list widget,
> so the value of currentTiddler was the actual containing tiddler's title, 
> and you got the results you expected.
>
> and, when you wrote:
> <$transclude tiddler={{{ [addsuffix[_EN]]}}} />
> you used "filtered transclusion" (sometimes referred to as an "inline 
> filter") to directly add the "_EN" suffix to the currentTiddler value,
> which was then used as *the value for the "tiddler=..." widget attribute*... 
> so you got the results you expected.
>
> Note that, *within the filter syntax, variable references are enclosed in 
> angle brackets*, like this:
>
> However, when used *outside a filter -- in normal wikitext -- variable 
> references use *doubled* angle brackets*, like this:
><>
> This is necessary so that *the variable reference isn't mistaken for 
> conventional HTML syntax*, which uses the single angle brackets, e.g.,
>some text here
>
> Hopefully, the above explanations have provided some useful clues :-)
>
> enjoy,
> -e
> Eric Shulman
> TiddlyTools.com: "Small Tools for Big Ideas!"
> On Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 10:41:30 AM UTC-7 CarloGgi wrote:
>
>> Charlie, your solution worked fine!
>>
>> <$transclude tiddler={{{ [addsuffix[_EN]]}}} />
>>
>> Still I wonder why the macro way doesn't yield the expected result, but 
>> anyway thanksalot for the hint. I will duly commit myself to studying its 
>> syntax, quite obscure to me.
>>
>> Regards,
>> CG
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 8:14 PM Charlie Veniot  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm thinking most folk prefer the macro route, and that makes sense to 
>>> me.
>>>
>>> The way I'm wired, I usually go with transclusions unless I really don't 
>>> have a choice.   Can't explain it.
>>>
>>> *For the "variety is the spice of life" giggles*:
>>>
>>> <$list filter="whateveFilterHere">
>>> <$transclude tiddler={{{ [addsuffix[_EN]]}}} /> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> But that would be a pain in the caboose if spread all over the place.
>>>
>>> So sticking with my transclusion mentality...
>>>
>>> <$list filter="whateveFilterHere">
>>> {{||EN_Maker}} 
>>> 
>>>
>>> The tiddler "En_Maker" is a transclusion template tiddler with the 
>>> following content:
>>>
>>> <$transclude tiddler={{{ [addsuffix[_EN]]}}} />
>>>
>>> Yeah, I'm quirky that way ...
>>>
>>> On Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 1:08:29 PM UTC-3 CarloGgi wrote:
>>>

 Hallo,
 quite new to TW and I love it, though it is dramatically 
 underdocumented and the whole docs are an almost unusable mess.

 To my biggest astonishment, when I try to dynamically build the name of 
 a tiddler from inisde a macro, that macro output cannot be used from 
 within 
 a transclude widget.

 \define getMeTiddlerName(a_suffix) <>$a_suffix$ 

 <$list filter="whateveFilterHere">
 <$transclude tiddler=<> /> 
 

 In the example above, I obtain the tiddler's name by adding suffix 'EN' 
 to current tiddler, which the macro DOES, but then its output 
 <> doesn't make transclude widget behave as 
 expected.

 I also tried many combinations of single/double quotes, as for instance 
 in:

 <$transclude tiddler="<>" /> 

 but no result at all: the transclude widget DOESN'T transclude the 
 dynamically-built tiddler SOMETIDDLERNAME_EN

 Not even the simpler version with hard-coded suffix works:

 \define getMeTiddlerName() <>_EN 

 <$list filter="whateveFilterHere">
 <$transclude tiddler=<> /> 
 

 Nor does it using double quotes for 'tiddler' parameter inside 
 transclude widget:

 \define getMeTiddlerName() <>_EN 

 <$list filter="whateveFilterHere">
 <$transclude tiddler="<>" /> 
 

 Thanks for helping, s frustrated!

 CG

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Re: [tw5] Re: cannot transclude a tiddler name built from inside a macro

[Eric Shulman]

\define getMeTiddlerName(a_suffix) $(currentTiddler)$$a_suffix$

In the macro definition above, $(currentTiddler)$ *substitutes the value 
from the currentTiddler variable* and then adds the specified $a_suffix$ 
parameter value.

When you wrote this:
<$list filter="whateveFilterHere">
<$transclude tiddler=<> />

The surrounding $list widget *sets the value of the currentTiddler variable* 
to "whateveFilterHere".
Thus, the macro output was "whateveFilterHere_EN", which almost certainly 
didn't exist in your file, so no transclusion happened.

Then, when you wrote this:
   <>
to "print to screen the macro output", the macro wasn't contained inside a 
$list widget,
so the value of currentTiddler was the actual containing tiddler's title, 
and you got the results you expected.

and, when you wrote:
<$transclude tiddler={{{ [addsuffix[_EN]]}}} />
you used "filtered transclusion" (sometimes referred to as an "inline 
filter") to directly add the "_EN" suffix to the currentTiddler value,
which was then used as *the value for the "tiddler=..." widget attribute*... 
so you got the results you expected.

Note that, *within the filter syntax, variable references are enclosed in 
angle brackets*, like this:
   
However, when used *outside a filter -- in normal wikitext -- variable 
references use *doubled* angle brackets*, like this:
   <>
This is necessary so that *the variable reference isn't mistaken for 
conventional HTML syntax*, which uses the single angle brackets, e.g.,
   some text here

Hopefully, the above explanations have provided some useful clues :-)

enjoy,
-e
Eric Shulman
TiddlyTools.com: "Small Tools for Big Ideas!"
On Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 10:41:30 AM UTC-7 CarloGgi wrote:

> Charlie, your solution worked fine!
>
> <$transclude tiddler={{{ [addsuffix[_EN]]}}} />
>
> Still I wonder why the macro way doesn't yield the expected result, but 
> anyway thanksalot for the hint. I will duly commit myself to studying its 
> syntax, quite obscure to me.
>
> Regards,
> CG
>
> On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 8:14 PM Charlie Veniot  wrote:
>
>> I'm thinking most folk prefer the macro route, and that makes sense to me.
>>
>> The way I'm wired, I usually go with transclusions unless I really don't 
>> have a choice.   Can't explain it.
>>
>> *For the "variety is the spice of life" giggles*:
>>
>> <$list filter="whateveFilterHere">
>> <$transclude tiddler={{{ [addsuffix[_EN]]}}} /> 
>> 
>>
>> But that would be a pain in the caboose if spread all over the place.
>>
>> So sticking with my transclusion mentality...
>>
>> <$list filter="whateveFilterHere">
>> {{||EN_Maker}} 
>> 
>>
>> The tiddler "En_Maker" is a transclusion template tiddler with the 
>> following content:
>>
>> <$transclude tiddler={{{ [addsuffix[_EN]]}}} />
>>
>> Yeah, I'm quirky that way ...
>>
>> On Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 1:08:29 PM UTC-3 CarloGgi wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hallo,
>>> quite new to TW and I love it, though it is dramatically underdocumented 
>>> and the whole docs are an almost unusable mess.
>>>
>>> To my biggest astonishment, when I try to dynamically build the name of 
>>> a tiddler from inisde a macro, that macro output cannot be used from within 
>>> a transclude widget.
>>>
>>> \define getMeTiddlerName(a_suffix) <>$a_suffix$ 
>>>
>>> <$list filter="whateveFilterHere">
>>> <$transclude tiddler=<> /> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> In the example above, I obtain the tiddler's name by adding suffix 'EN' 
>>> to current tiddler, which the macro DOES, but then its output 
>>> <> doesn't make transclude widget behave as expected.
>>>
>>> I also tried many combinations of single/double quotes, as for instance 
>>> in:
>>>
>>> <$transclude tiddler="<>" /> 
>>>
>>> but no result at all: the transclude widget DOESN'T transclude the 
>>> dynamically-built tiddler SOMETIDDLERNAME_EN
>>>
>>> Not even the simpler version with hard-coded suffix works:
>>>
>>> \define getMeTiddlerName() <>_EN 
>>>
>>> <$list filter="whateveFilterHere">
>>> <$transclude tiddler=<> /> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> Nor does it using double quotes for 'tiddler' parameter inside 
>>> transclude widget:
>>>
>>> \define getMeTiddlerName() <>_EN 
>>>
>>> <$list filter="whateveFilterHere">
>>> <$transclude tiddler="<>" /> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> Thanks for helping, s frustrated!
>>>
>>> CG
>>>
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[tw5] Re: cannot transclude a tiddler name built from inside a macro

[CarloGgi]

Yes Soren, you are right: I have little understanding of the inner gears of 
text substitution and wikification in TW, nor did I find a thorough, 
comprehensive and self-contained guide to the matter so far: all the TW 
documentation I went through is a mess of scantly-explained (if ever), 
loosely-consistent, scattered bits of information, and this is a pity 
because the software has tremendous potentiality. Maybe you can point me to 
some good documentation anyway, of which I would be grateful.

Thanks and regards,
CG


On Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 8:22:13 PM UTC+3 Soren Bjornstad wrote:

> I second CJ in saying that the {{{ [addsuffix[whatever]] 
> }}} route is usually a better way to concatenate text, especially when you 
> don't know much TiddlyWiki.
>
> You're getting bitten by not understanding text substitution 
>  and wikification 
> , which are both quite 
> complex and require you to understand how TiddlyWiki actually goes about 
> processing macros and rendering tiddlers. In contrast, your intuition will 
> usually work fine with filters.
>
> On Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 11:08:29 AM UTC-5 CarloGgi wrote:
>
>>
>> Hallo,
>> quite new to TW and I love it, though it is dramatically underdocumented 
>> and the whole docs are an almost unusable mess.
>>
>> To my biggest astonishment, when I try to dynamically build the name of a 
>> tiddler from inisde a macro, that macro output cannot be used from within a 
>> transclude widget.
>>
>> \define getMeTiddlerName(a_suffix) <>$a_suffix$ 
>>
>> <$list filter="whateveFilterHere">
>> <$transclude tiddler=<> /> 
>> 
>>
>> In the example above, I obtain the tiddler's name by adding suffix 'EN' 
>> to current tiddler, which the macro DOES, but then its output 
>> <> doesn't make transclude widget behave as expected.
>>
>> I also tried many combinations of single/double quotes, as for instance 
>> in:
>>
>> <$transclude tiddler="<>" /> 
>>
>> but no result at all: the transclude widget DOESN'T transclude the 
>> dynamically-built tiddler SOMETIDDLERNAME_EN
>>
>> Not even the simpler version with hard-coded suffix works:
>>
>> \define getMeTiddlerName() <>_EN 
>>
>> <$list filter="whateveFilterHere">
>> <$transclude tiddler=<> /> 
>> 
>>
>> Nor does it using double quotes for 'tiddler' parameter inside transclude 
>> widget:
>>
>> \define getMeTiddlerName() <>_EN 
>>
>> <$list filter="whateveFilterHere">
>> <$transclude tiddler="<>" /> 
>> 
>>
>> Thanks for helping, s frustrated!
>>
>> CG
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Notes from the Coalface: Pasting URL's with pretty title

[CJ Veniot]

Yeah, I know what you mean especially with the %20's all over the place.

That can be fairly easily resolved by sticking with camel case for
tiddler names.

I very much dislike camel case *(cognitive annoyances)* in my TiddlyWikis,
so much so that I prefer live with those ugly %20's in links, to everybody
else's very understandable chagrin.

Being an incessant Tiddler Title Tweaker (a 3T-er? a threeter?), I'm moving
towards internal ID's as part of URL's, to prevent future link rot re
distributed URL's (link rot caused by my "threeting".)  Yeah, I coddle my
sanity, or maybe insanity, and wind up perpetuating ugly URL's.

Let's say I get what you mean, but I've surrendered to ugly URL syndrome as
the easier to live with evil.  (thank goodness for the pretty links.)

On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 2:27 PM Soren Bjornstad 
wrote:

> Um, there was no disagreement in this thread with Tones.
>>
>> Tones' initial post was about getting pretty links when the URL encoding
>> are ugly.  I think that's great.  *(Already a usual habit of mine, just
>> grabbing them links from the "Open" sidebar tab instead.)*
>>
>
> It sounded to me like Tones also had an opinion on the existence of "ugly
> URLs," which is why I responded from back there, but maybe that was just me
> misreading the post.
>
>
>> [A]re you both suggesting that it would be better to instead change URL
>> encoding so they don't have things like "#" and "%20" in them ?
>>
>
> No, I'm suggesting that when one has an opportunity to choose the format
> of a URL, one should choose one that uses as few internal IDs and special
> characters (since those turn into %-encoding) as possible. (I don't see any
> problem with # in itself, that has a clearly defined meaning and isn't
> ugly.) I do not think that TiddlyWiki is doing anything wrong here – I was
> just trying to explain what some people might consider an ugly URL.
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Re: [tw5] Re: cannot transclude a tiddler name built from inside a macro

[Carlo Giomini]

Charlie, your solution worked fine!

<$transclude tiddler={{{ [addsuffix[_EN]]}}} />

Still I wonder why the macro way doesn't yield the expected result, but
anyway thanksalot for the hint. I will duly commit myself to studying its
syntax, quite obscure to me.

Regards,
CG

On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 8:14 PM Charlie Veniot  wrote:

> I'm thinking most folk prefer the macro route, and that makes sense to me.
>
> The way I'm wired, I usually go with transclusions unless I really don't
> have a choice.   Can't explain it.
>
> *For the "variety is the spice of life" giggles*:
>
> <$list filter="whateveFilterHere">
> <$transclude tiddler={{{ [addsuffix[_EN]]}}} /> 
> 
>
> But that would be a pain in the caboose if spread all over the place.
>
> So sticking with my transclusion mentality...
>
> <$list filter="whateveFilterHere">
> {{||EN_Maker}} 
> 
>
> The tiddler "En_Maker" is a transclusion template tiddler with the
> following content:
>
> <$transclude tiddler={{{ [addsuffix[_EN]]}}} />
>
> Yeah, I'm quirky that way ...
>
> On Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 1:08:29 PM UTC-3 CarloGgi wrote:
>
>>
>> Hallo,
>> quite new to TW and I love it, though it is dramatically underdocumented
>> and the whole docs are an almost unusable mess.
>>
>> To my biggest astonishment, when I try to dynamically build the name of a
>> tiddler from inisde a macro, that macro output cannot be used from within a
>> transclude widget.
>>
>> \define getMeTiddlerName(a_suffix) <>$a_suffix$
>>
>> <$list filter="whateveFilterHere">
>> <$transclude tiddler=<> /> 
>> 
>>
>> In the example above, I obtain the tiddler's name by adding suffix 'EN'
>> to current tiddler, which the macro DOES, but then its output
>> <> doesn't make transclude widget behave as expected.
>>
>> I also tried many combinations of single/double quotes, as for instance
>> in:
>>
>> <$transclude tiddler="<>" /> 
>>
>> but no result at all: the transclude widget DOESN'T transclude the
>> dynamically-built tiddler SOMETIDDLERNAME_EN
>>
>> Not even the simpler version with hard-coded suffix works:
>>
>> \define getMeTiddlerName() <>_EN
>>
>> <$list filter="whateveFilterHere">
>> <$transclude tiddler=<> /> 
>> 
>>
>> Nor does it using double quotes for 'tiddler' parameter inside transclude
>> widget:
>>
>> \define getMeTiddlerName() <>_EN
>>
>> <$list filter="whateveFilterHere">
>> <$transclude tiddler="<>" /> 
>> 
>>
>> Thanks for helping, s frustrated!
>>
>> CG
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: cannot transclude a tiddler name built from inside a macro

[Carlo Giomini]

Thanks for the prompt reply. I changed <>
 to $(currentTiddler)$ in the macro body, as

\define getMeTiddlerName(a_suffix) $(currentTiddler)$$a_suffix$

still, transclude widget doesn't transclude:

<$list filter="whateveFilterHere">
<$transclude tiddler=<> />


If I try to print to screen the macro output just for debug purposes, it
correctly shows the current tiddler's name added with the suffix, say

<>
outputs
SOMETIDDLERSNAME_EN
to screen.

Clueless...

CG


On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 7:34 PM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> When you use <>, it's actually creating a *link* to that
> tiddler. What you want in your macro is the plain substitutable (new word!)
> text. So try:
>
> \define getMeTiddlerName(a_suffix) $(currentTiddler)$$a_suffix$
>
>
> On Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 9:08:29 AM UTC-7 CarloGgi wrote:
>
>>
>> Hallo,
>> quite new to TW and I love it, though it is dramatically underdocumented
>> and the whole docs are an almost unusable mess.
>>
>> To my biggest astonishment, when I try to dynamically build the name of a
>> tiddler from inisde a macro, that macro output cannot be used from within a
>> transclude widget.
>>
>> \define getMeTiddlerName(a_suffix) <>$a_suffix$
>>
>> <$list filter="whateveFilterHere">
>> <$transclude tiddler=<> /> 
>> 
>>
>> In the example above, I obtain the tiddler's name by adding suffix 'EN'
>> to current tiddler, which the macro DOES, but then its output
>> <> doesn't make transclude widget behave as expected.
>>
>> I also tried many combinations of single/double quotes, as for instance
>> in:
>>
>> <$transclude tiddler="<>" /> 
>>
>> but no result at all: the transclude widget DOESN'T transclude the
>> dynamically-built tiddler SOMETIDDLERNAME_EN
>>
>> Not even the simpler version with hard-coded suffix works:
>>
>> \define getMeTiddlerName() <>_EN
>>
>> <$list filter="whateveFilterHere">
>> <$transclude tiddler=<> /> 
>> 
>>
>> Nor does it using double quotes for 'tiddler' parameter inside transclude
>> widget:
>>
>> \define getMeTiddlerName() <>_EN
>>
>> <$list filter="whateveFilterHere">
>> <$transclude tiddler="<>" /> 
>> 
>>
>> Thanks for helping, s frustrated!
>>
>> CG
>>
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[tw5] Re: Does anyone import Tailwind CSS into tiddlywiki?

[Soren Bjornstad]

Somewhat off-topic, but:
 

> BTW, the "period" in front of class names always confuses me, sometimes I 
> need it, and other times no - ?
>

Class names don't include a period, but you need a period when you're using 
it in a CSS selector (the start of a CSS rule in a stylesheet that comes 
before the {) to indicate that it's a class name rather than an HTML tag 
name. So it's 'class="whatever"' but '.whatever { color: blue; }'. If you 
said 'whatever { color: blue; }', then you would be trying to style all the 
'whatever' tags in the document instead of all tags of any kind that have 
the 'whatever' class assigned.

You also need the . for the @@ syntax in TiddlyWiki (e.g., '@@.whatever 
(text) @@') for similar reasons (otherwise you couldn't tell the difference 
between a style attribute like "color" and a class called "color").

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[tw5] Re: Notes from the Coalface: Pasting URL's with pretty title

[Soren Bjornstad]

>
> Um, there was no disagreement in this thread with Tones.
>
> Tones' initial post was about getting pretty links when the URL encoding 
> are ugly.  I think that's great.  *(Already a usual habit of mine, just 
> grabbing them links from the "Open" sidebar tab instead.)* 
>

It sounded to me like Tones also had an opinion on the existence of "ugly 
URLs," which is why I responded from back there, but maybe that was just me 
misreading the post.
  

> [A]re you both suggesting that it would be better to instead change URL 
> encoding so they don't have things like "#" and "%20" in them ?
>

No, I'm suggesting that when one has an opportunity to choose the format of 
a URL, one should choose one that uses as few internal IDs and special 
characters (since those turn into %-encoding) as possible. (I don't see any 
problem with # in itself, that has a clearly defined meaning and isn't 
ugly.) I do not think that TiddlyWiki is doing anything wrong here – I was 
just trying to explain what some people might consider an ugly URL.

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[tw5] Re: cannot transclude a tiddler name built from inside a macro

[Soren Bjornstad]

I second CJ in saying that the {{{ [addsuffix[whatever]] 
}}} route is usually a better way to concatenate text, especially when you 
don't know much TiddlyWiki.

You're getting bitten by not understanding text substitution 
 and wikification 
, which are both quite 
complex and require you to understand how TiddlyWiki actually goes about 
processing macros and rendering tiddlers. In contrast, your intuition will 
usually work fine with filters.

On Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 11:08:29 AM UTC-5 CarloGgi wrote:

>
> Hallo,
> quite new to TW and I love it, though it is dramatically underdocumented 
> and the whole docs are an almost unusable mess.
>
> To my biggest astonishment, when I try to dynamically build the name of a 
> tiddler from inisde a macro, that macro output cannot be used from within a 
> transclude widget.
>
> \define getMeTiddlerName(a_suffix) <>$a_suffix$ 
>
> <$list filter="whateveFilterHere">
> <$transclude tiddler=<> /> 
> 
>
> In the example above, I obtain the tiddler's name by adding suffix 'EN' to 
> current tiddler, which the macro DOES, but then its output 
> <> doesn't make transclude widget behave as expected.
>
> I also tried many combinations of single/double quotes, as for instance in:
>
> <$transclude tiddler="<>" /> 
>
> but no result at all: the transclude widget DOESN'T transclude the 
> dynamically-built tiddler SOMETIDDLERNAME_EN
>
> Not even the simpler version with hard-coded suffix works:
>
> \define getMeTiddlerName() <>_EN 
>
> <$list filter="whateveFilterHere">
> <$transclude tiddler=<> /> 
> 
>
> Nor does it using double quotes for 'tiddler' parameter inside transclude 
> widget:
>
> \define getMeTiddlerName() <>_EN 
>
> <$list filter="whateveFilterHere">
> <$transclude tiddler="<>" /> 
> 
>
> Thanks for helping, s frustrated!
>
> CG
>

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[tw5] Re: cannot transclude a tiddler name built from inside a macro

[Charlie Veniot]

I'm thinking most folk prefer the macro route, and that makes sense to me.

The way I'm wired, I usually go with transclusions unless I really don't 
have a choice.   Can't explain it.

*For the "variety is the spice of life" giggles*:

<$list filter="whateveFilterHere">
<$transclude tiddler={{{ [addsuffix[_EN]]}}} /> 


But that would be a pain in the caboose if spread all over the place.

So sticking with my transclusion mentality...

<$list filter="whateveFilterHere">
{{||EN_Maker}} 


The tiddler "En_Maker" is a transclusion template tiddler with the 
following content:

<$transclude tiddler={{{ [addsuffix[_EN]]}}} />

Yeah, I'm quirky that way ...

On Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 1:08:29 PM UTC-3 CarloGgi wrote:

>
> Hallo,
> quite new to TW and I love it, though it is dramatically underdocumented 
> and the whole docs are an almost unusable mess.
>
> To my biggest astonishment, when I try to dynamically build the name of a 
> tiddler from inisde a macro, that macro output cannot be used from within a 
> transclude widget.
>
> \define getMeTiddlerName(a_suffix) <>$a_suffix$ 
>
> <$list filter="whateveFilterHere">
> <$transclude tiddler=<> /> 
> 
>
> In the example above, I obtain the tiddler's name by adding suffix 'EN' to 
> current tiddler, which the macro DOES, but then its output 
> <> doesn't make transclude widget behave as expected.
>
> I also tried many combinations of single/double quotes, as for instance in:
>
> <$transclude tiddler="<>" /> 
>
> but no result at all: the transclude widget DOESN'T transclude the 
> dynamically-built tiddler SOMETIDDLERNAME_EN
>
> Not even the simpler version with hard-coded suffix works:
>
> \define getMeTiddlerName() <>_EN 
>
> <$list filter="whateveFilterHere">
> <$transclude tiddler=<> /> 
> 
>
> Nor does it using double quotes for 'tiddler' parameter inside transclude 
> widget:
>
> \define getMeTiddlerName() <>_EN 
>
> <$list filter="whateveFilterHere">
> <$transclude tiddler="<>" /> 
> 
>
> Thanks for helping, s frustrated!
>
> CG
>

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[tw5] Re: Shiraz Plugin: Lets use Tiddlywiki with More Ease

[Charlie Veniot]

That is a pretty fantastic teaser !

On Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 1:38:00 PM UTC-3 Mohammad wrote:

>
>- Do you like to convert your old static/plain table in a tiddler into 
>a sortable table just by calling a macro  (no edit, no hassles,  ...)
>- Do you like to drop a CSV text file into tiddlywiki and in a second 
>generate a dynamic table?
>- Do you like to copy paste part of a worksheet from Excel, Google 
>Sheet, Libre Office Calc, ... into a tiddler and TW generate a nice 
>sortable table for you?
>- Do you like to create tables from plain texts just by calling a 
>simple macro?
>- Do you like to create task lists from plain text (just like GitHub)?
>- Write you tasks/todo as you write on a piece of paper and then get a 
>task list! Do you like this?
>
>
> *Sit back, relax, and let Shiraz do all the work  ;-)*
>
>
> Stay tuned, Shiraz on *Tiddlywiki 5.0.2* is coming!
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>

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[tw5] Shiraz Plugin: Lets use Tiddlywiki with More Ease

[Mohammad Rahmani]

   - Do you like to convert your old static/plain table in a tiddler into a
   sortable table just by calling a macro  (no edit, no hassles,  ...)
   - Do you like to drop a CSV text file into tiddlywiki and in a second
   generate a dynamic table?
   - Do you like to copy paste part of a worksheet from Excel, Google
   Sheet, Libre Office Calc, ... into a tiddler and TW generate a nice
   sortable table for you?
   - Do you like to create tables from plain texts just by calling a simple
   macro?
   - Do you like to create task lists from plain text (just like GitHub)?
   - Write you tasks/todo as you write on a piece of paper and then get a
   task list! Do you like this?


*Sit back, relax, and let Shiraz do all the work  ;-)*


Stay tuned, Shiraz on *Tiddlywiki 5.0.2* is coming!

Best wishes
Mohammad

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[tw5] Re: cannot transclude a tiddler name built from inside a macro

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

When you use <>, it's actually creating a *link* to that 
tiddler. What you want in your macro is the plain substitutable (new word!) 
text. So try:

\define getMeTiddlerName(a_suffix) $(currentTiddler)$$a_suffix$


On Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 9:08:29 AM UTC-7 CarloGgi wrote:

>
> Hallo,
> quite new to TW and I love it, though it is dramatically underdocumented 
> and the whole docs are an almost unusable mess.
>
> To my biggest astonishment, when I try to dynamically build the name of a 
> tiddler from inisde a macro, that macro output cannot be used from within a 
> transclude widget.
>
> \define getMeTiddlerName(a_suffix) <>$a_suffix$ 
>
> <$list filter="whateveFilterHere">
> <$transclude tiddler=<> /> 
> 
>
> In the example above, I obtain the tiddler's name by adding suffix 'EN' to 
> current tiddler, which the macro DOES, but then its output 
> <> doesn't make transclude widget behave as expected.
>
> I also tried many combinations of single/double quotes, as for instance in:
>
> <$transclude tiddler="<>" /> 
>
> but no result at all: the transclude widget DOESN'T transclude the 
> dynamically-built tiddler SOMETIDDLERNAME_EN
>
> Not even the simpler version with hard-coded suffix works:
>
> \define getMeTiddlerName() <>_EN 
>
> <$list filter="whateveFilterHere">
> <$transclude tiddler=<> /> 
> 
>
> Nor does it using double quotes for 'tiddler' parameter inside transclude 
> widget:
>
> \define getMeTiddlerName() <>_EN 
>
> <$list filter="whateveFilterHere">
> <$transclude tiddler="<>" /> 
> 
>
> Thanks for helping, s frustrated!
>
> CG
>

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[tw5] Re: Notes from the Coalface: Pasting URL's with pretty title

[Charlie Veniot]

Um, there was no disagreement in this thread with Tones.

Tones' initial post was about getting pretty links when the URL encoding 
are ugly.  I think that's great.  *(Already a usual habit of mine, just 
grabbing them links from the "Open" sidebar tab instead.)* 

I'm just trying to understand The Islander's subsequent post. And now your 
post as well.  Where Tones is suggesting a nice way to provide links (kind 
of abstracting the URL encoding), are you both suggesting that it would be 
better to instead change URL encoding so they don't have things like "#" 
and "%20" in them ?

On Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 10:04:44 AM UTC-3 Soren Bjornstad wrote:

> I agree with Tones, URLs should be human-readable when possible...if 
> they're not, they're ugly. That means they consist of actual words, not 
> internal IDs and random strings of characters, when possible, and you can 
> tell what each component in the path represents. A bunch of URL-encoded 
> nonsense with %20 and so on is only human-readable if you know a lot about 
> text encoding, and even then it's going to slow you down. There was a time 
> in maybe the early aughts when most URLs were an unreadable mess, post 
> titles used their ID numbers in the database, there were usually giant 
> strings of query parameters after ?, etc. Then people got wise and started 
> prioritizing URLs that people can understand and type again (maybe partly 
> because search engines started taking that into account for ranking 
> purposes).
>
> But I think we're mixing up two concerns in this thread, the link text and 
> the actual URL. Raw URLs are uglier than text explaining where they go in 
> most cases, but that's a different question from the URL itself. In Tones' 
> example, the actual URL is the same in both links (though I'll note my 
> browser does convert the %20's to actual spaces on mouseover). 
>
> On Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 1:15:19 AM UTC-5 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> *"Although the link text looks nice, hover over it and look at the URL. 
>> Yuck!"*
>>
>> Thanks, but I still don't understand where The Islander was going with 
>> that.
>>
>> A URL is a URL.  Not quite sure how it could be made prettier, or why it 
>> would matter when the link is pretty.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 2:50:41 AM UTC-3 TW Tones wrote:
>>
>>> Charlie;
>>>
>>> Use the permalink button you get 
>>> https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#Sort%20Filter%20Run%20Prefix thats 
>>> Yuk in my view
>>> Now control Panel, settings > tiddlywiki >  Display tiddler titles as 
>>> links
>>>
>>> Now open the tiddler and highlight the title and copy, then past here Sort 
>>> Filter Run Prefix 
>>> 
>>> Thats not yuck
>>>
>>> I think you may see it aint the beholder, its universal. Especially if 
>>> you want to see the yuck one just mouse over.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Tones
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, 8 August 2021 at 03:57:06 UTC+10 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Yuck how?  What's a non-yuck URL?

 Understanding, of course, that yuck is in the eye of the beholder, and 
 that URL's are first about being successful at getting to something on the 
 web.

 I ask because of the potential for me to gain a new insight into how 
 different people see things.

 On Friday, August 6, 2021 at 12:42:44 AM UTC-3 The Islander wrote:

> Although the link text looks nice, hover over it and look at the URL. 
> Yuck!
>
> On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 6:12:40 PM UTC-7 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> I just stumbled upon something helpful. You may know how to copy a 
>> permalink to a tiddler, this results in URL, and using the to clipboard 
>> option is help full. the only problem is the result is an ugly URL with 
>> encoding.
>>
>> I discovered today however if you have Control Panel > Settings > 
>> Tiddler 
>> Titles 
>> 
>>  set 
>> to Display tiddler titles as links, there is a a better choice. Or where 
>> every you see a link in a tiddler eg  Learning 
>>  [[Learning  |
>> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Learning]] copt that with you mouse.
>>
>> If the titles are displayed as links highlight and copy the title 
>> with your mouse. The result if pasted is well formatted link eg; 
>> Navigation 
>> History 
>> .
>>  
>> It is not helpful pasting into tiddlywiki,  I will raise an issue on 
>> this. 
>> But it is helpful pasting links into email and forum posts. As I have 
>> done 
>> here.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tones
>>
>

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[tw5] cannot transclude a tiddler name built from inside a macro

[CarloGgi]

Hallo,
quite new to TW and I love it, though it is dramatically underdocumented 
and the whole docs are an almost unusable mess.

To my biggest astonishment, when I try to dynamically build the name of a 
tiddler from inisde a macro, that macro output cannot be used from within a 
transclude widget.

\define getMeTiddlerName(a_suffix) <>$a_suffix$ 

<$list filter="whateveFilterHere">
<$transclude tiddler=<> /> 


In the example above, I obtain the tiddler's name by adding suffix 'EN' to 
current tiddler, which the macro DOES, but then its output 
<> doesn't make transclude widget behave as expected.

I also tried many combinations of single/double quotes, as for instance in:

<$transclude tiddler="<>" /> 

but no result at all: the transclude widget DOESN'T transclude the 
dynamically-built tiddler SOMETIDDLERNAME_EN

Not even the simpler version with hard-coded suffix works:

\define getMeTiddlerName() <>_EN 

<$list filter="whateveFilterHere">
<$transclude tiddler=<> /> 


Nor does it using double quotes for 'tiddler' parameter inside transclude 
widget:

\define getMeTiddlerName() <>_EN 

<$list filter="whateveFilterHere">
<$transclude tiddler="<>" /> 


Thanks for helping, s frustrated!

CG

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Re: [tw5] CSS for tooltips in TiddlyWiki?

[David Gifford]

Thanks Jeremy and flanc...

1. This is for me, so in this case I am not worried about other users with 
touchscreens, or compatibility.

2. Let me go about this another way, then. First, here is the styling I did 
to create the custom tooltip:

a[title]:hover::after { content: attr(title); position: relative; top: 
-5px; left: 10px; width:450px; 
color:#000;background-color:#eee;padding:5px;padding-right:10px; }

3. The above looks great, but then moments later the 'normal' TiddlyWiki 
tooltip shows up. Is there any way to hide it? Or delay it so long it won't 
interfere?



On Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 9:59:30 AM UTC-4 Jeremy Ruston wrote:

> Hi Dave,
>
> Sadly, browsers do not allow web pages to apply styles to tooltips.
>
> It is possible to create fake tooltips in CSS and JavaScript that can be 
> styled, but these approaches compromise accessibility and compatibility.
>
> Another point to bear in mind is that there's no guarantee that all users 
> will be able to see tooltips because they are not compatible with touch 
> screens.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>
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> jer...@jermolene.com
> https://jermolene.com
>
> On 8 Aug 2021, at 14:43, David Gifford  wrote:
>
> 
>
>
> Hi everyone
>
> I would like to style the tooltip that comes up when hovering over a link. 
>
> I tried a snippet I found online for regular tooltips, but that created a 
> second tooltip, so both appear near each other. I would just like to style 
> the one for TiddlyWiki links created with the link widget below. I want to 
> use it to display short inline hidden notes.
>
> <$link to="." tooltip="this is the tooltip">**
>
> Anyone know the CSS for TW tooltips? I skimmed vanilla base but did not 
> find anything.
>
> Thanks in advance, Dave
>
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Re: [tw5] CSS for tooltips in TiddlyWiki?

[Finn Lancaster]

Dave:

On the lines of what Jeremy was saying, the Hint CSS Library is a great
resource for customizable tool tips. (https://kushagra.dev/lab/hint/).

Looking at the website, it seems relatively easy to use, and definitely
applicable to TW, although I have never had need to use the library before.

If you decide to use it, let me know how it goes; maybe I will test it in a
TW/HTML project, too!

Regards.
 Finn Lancaster
 www.finnsoftware.net
 www.GitHub.com/flancast90


On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 9:59 AM Jeremy Ruston 
wrote:

> Hi Dave,
>
> Sadly, browsers do not allow web pages to apply styles to tooltips.
>
> It is possible to create fake tooltips in CSS and JavaScript that can be
> styled, but these approaches compromise accessibility and compatibility.
>
> Another point to bear in mind is that there's no guarantee that all users
> will be able to see tooltips because they are not compatible with touch
> screens.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>
> --
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> jer...@jermolene.com
> https://jermolene.com
>
> On 8 Aug 2021, at 14:43, David Gifford  wrote:
>
> 
>
>
> Hi everyone
>
> I would like to style the tooltip that comes up when hovering over a link.
>
> I tried a snippet I found online for regular tooltips, but that created a
> second tooltip, so both appear near each other. I would just like to style
> the one for TiddlyWiki links created with the link widget below. I want to
> use it to display short inline hidden notes.
>
> <$link to="." tooltip="this is the tooltip">**
>
> Anyone know the CSS for TW tooltips? I skimmed vanilla base but did not
> find anything.
>
> Thanks in advance, Dave
>
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Re: [tw5] CSS for tooltips in TiddlyWiki?

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Dave,

Sadly, browsers do not allow web pages to apply styles to tooltips.

It is possible to create fake tooltips in CSS and JavaScript that can be 
styled, but these approaches compromise accessibility and compatibility.

Another point to bear in mind is that there's no guarantee that all users will 
be able to see tooltips because they are not compatible with touch screens.

Best wishes

Jeremy.

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> On 8 Aug 2021, at 14:43, David Gifford  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi everyone
> 
> I would like to style the tooltip that comes up when hovering over a link. 
> 
> I tried a snippet I found online for regular tooltips, but that created a 
> second tooltip, so both appear near each other. I would just like to style 
> the one for TiddlyWiki links created with the link widget below. I want to 
> use it to display short inline hidden notes.
> 
> <$link to="." tooltip="this is the tooltip">**
> 
> Anyone know the CSS for TW tooltips? I skimmed vanilla base but did not find 
> anything.
> 
> Thanks in advance, Dave
> 
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[tw5] CSS for tooltips in TiddlyWiki?

[David Gifford]

Hi everyone

I would like to style the tooltip that comes up when hovering over a link. 

I tried a snippet I found online for regular tooltips, but that created a 
second tooltip, so both appear near each other. I would just like to style 
the one for TiddlyWiki links created with the link widget below. I want to 
use it to display short inline hidden notes.

<$link to="." tooltip="this is the tooltip">**

Anyone know the CSS for TW tooltips? I skimmed vanilla base but did not 
find anything.

Thanks in advance, Dave


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[tw5] Re: Does anyone import Tailwind CSS into tiddlywiki?

['JWHoneycutt' via TiddlyWiki]

What I know so far:
In the tiddler $:/plugins/kookma/shiraz/styles/semantic/bglowtone-colors 
Mohammad added the ability to change the background color of tiddlers 
   
   - The tiddler above is tagged with $:/tags/Stylesheet - so it loads onto 
   the entire TW5.html file
   - To use, create any tiddler and enter a field called class with the 
   value bg-lemonchiffon

I think this is a limited example of Tailwind because it uses the bg 
convention
   
   - Similarly, I can use " blah blah" as background color for a piece of 
   text (color applied in my tiddler, not in copy to Google Groups)
   - The @@background-color:lemonchiffon; blah blah@@ is visible code when 
   in edit mode

BTW, the "period" in front of class names always confuses me, sometimes I 
need it, and other times no - ?

But Tailwind does much more, and I therefore assume I can grab alot of the 
functional code of Tailwind and stuff it into a tiddler with the 
$:/tags/Stylesheet tag 
   
   - So I am looking for the raw tailwind code to insert into a tiddler (I 
   saw it once a while ago)
   - On Tailwind.com, the thorough instructions do not discuss the 
   application inside Tiddlywiki, but that is essentially what I am trying to 
   decipher here

On Monday, August 3, 2020 at 10:29:35 AM UTC-4 dieg...@gmail.com wrote:

> Just checking to see if you managed to do this? 
>
> On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 9:26:12 PM UTC-5, JWHoneycutt wrote:
>>
>> If so, how do you do it?
>>
>> JWHoneycutt
>>
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[tw5] Re: Notes from the Coalface: Pasting URL's with pretty title

[Soren Bjornstad]

I agree with Tones, URLs should be human-readable when possible...if 
they're not, they're ugly. That means they consist of actual words, not 
internal IDs and random strings of characters, when possible, and you can 
tell what each component in the path represents. A bunch of URL-encoded 
nonsense with %20 and so on is only human-readable if you know a lot about 
text encoding, and even then it's going to slow you down. There was a time 
in maybe the early aughts when most URLs were an unreadable mess, post 
titles used their ID numbers in the database, there were usually giant 
strings of query parameters after ?, etc. Then people got wise and started 
prioritizing URLs that people can understand and type again (maybe partly 
because search engines started taking that into account for ranking 
purposes).

But I think we're mixing up two concerns in this thread, the link text and 
the actual URL. Raw URLs are uglier than text explaining where they go in 
most cases, but that's a different question from the URL itself. In Tones' 
example, the actual URL is the same in both links (though I'll note my 
browser does convert the %20's to actual spaces on mouseover). 

On Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 1:15:19 AM UTC-5 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> *"Although the link text looks nice, hover over it and look at the URL. 
> Yuck!"*
>
> Thanks, but I still don't understand where The Islander was going with 
> that.
>
> A URL is a URL.  Not quite sure how it could be made prettier, or why it 
> would matter when the link is pretty.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 2:50:41 AM UTC-3 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> Charlie;
>>
>> Use the permalink button you get 
>> https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#Sort%20Filter%20Run%20Prefix thats 
>> Yuk in my view
>> Now control Panel, settings > tiddlywiki >  Display tiddler titles as 
>> links
>>
>> Now open the tiddler and highlight the title and copy, then past here Sort 
>> Filter Run Prefix 
>> 
>> Thats not yuck
>>
>> I think you may see it aint the beholder, its universal. Especially if 
>> you want to see the yuck one just mouse over.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tones
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, 8 August 2021 at 03:57:06 UTC+10 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Yuck how?  What's a non-yuck URL?
>>>
>>> Understanding, of course, that yuck is in the eye of the beholder, and 
>>> that URL's are first about being successful at getting to something on the 
>>> web.
>>>
>>> I ask because of the potential for me to gain a new insight into how 
>>> different people see things.
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 6, 2021 at 12:42:44 AM UTC-3 The Islander wrote:
>>>
 Although the link text looks nice, hover over it and look at the URL. 
 Yuck!

 On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 6:12:40 PM UTC-7 TW Tones wrote:

> Folks,
>
> I just stumbled upon something helpful. You may know how to copy a 
> permalink to a tiddler, this results in URL, and using the to clipboard 
> option is help full. the only problem is the result is an ugly URL with 
> encoding.
>
> I discovered today however if you have Control Panel > Settings > Tiddler 
> Titles 
> 
>  set 
> to Display tiddler titles as links, there is a a better choice. Or where 
> every you see a link in a tiddler eg  Learning 
>  [[Learning  |
> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Learning]] copt that with you mouse.
>
> If the titles are displayed as links highlight and copy the title with 
> your mouse. The result if pasted is well formatted link eg; Navigation 
> History 
> .
>  
> It is not helpful pasting into tiddlywiki,  I will raise an issue on 
> this. 
> But it is helpful pasting links into email and forum posts. As I have 
> done 
> here.
>
> Regards
> Tones
>


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[tw5] Re: Retrieving the number of link paths to a tiddler

[Soren Bjornstad]

Thanks Tones!

Looks like I may have been overthinking this – just :filter, working 
backwards from the match found and seeing when you hit the current tiddler, 
is sufficient:

\define xcor-sort() [backlinks[]tag[Use]] 
:filter[links[]field:title] +[count[]]
\define xcor-count() [backlinks[]tag[Use]] 
:filter[links[]field:title] +[count[]]

...

<$list 
filter="[all[current]backlinks[]tag[Use]links[]!tag[Use]!field:titlesort[]!sortsub]"
 
variable="crossRef">
  <$set name=numPaths filter=<>>
<$link to=<>/> (<$text text=<>/> occurrence(s))
  


(A different subfilter is needed for the sort than to populate the count 
variable in 5.2.3 since the tiddler being processed by a subfilter can't be 
retrieved through a variable. This could probably be tweaked in prerelease 
so you only need one subfilter.)
On Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 12:45:51 AM UTC-5 TW Tones wrote:

> Soren
>
> Without working through this requirement of yours, I suspect some of the 
> code patterns in my recent reply to another thread 
> could 
> help you.
>
>1. Your could make a list of all tiddler links (as a variable) without 
>removing duplicates, then listing a given tiddler you could count how many 
>mentions it has.
>2. With the prerelease Sort Filter Run Prefix 
> should 
>allow you to sortby the count of mentions as per the filter in 1.
>
> Regards
> Tones
>
>
> On Sunday, 8 August 2021 at 12:12:51 UTC+10 Soren Bjornstad wrote:
>
>> I have a wiki where I want to cross-correlate *concepts *across *uses *of 
>> these concepts. (A concept, in this example, can be defined as any tiddler 
>> *not* tagged Use, while a use is obviously any tiddler tagged Use.) By 
>> "cross-correlate", I mean that given the current tiddler is a concept 
>> tiddler, find all the other concept tiddlers that are used on any use 
>> tiddler that links to the current tiddler (that is, they are often used 
>> together).
>>
>> I can do this with the following filter:
>>
>> [all[current]backlinks[]tag[Use]links[]!tag[Use]]
>>
>> However, I would now like to retrieve (and sort by) the number of 
>> discrete link paths by which you can reach each concept (i.e., the number 
>> of times the current tiddler and this other concept are used together on a 
>> use tiddler). So if 5 use tiddlers which link to the current tiddler also 
>> link to a particular other concept tiddler, the number 5 should be 
>> accessible in a variable when $list'ing through that concept tiddler, to be 
>> used in sortsub[] or the like and the template displaying each match.
>>
>> I haven't been able to think of any way to do this – I tried using the = 
>> filter prefix, but this evidently does not work when you're not adding the 
>> results *to* anything (and probably tag[] and links[] already 
>> deduplicate before they start).
>>
>> Since I'm sure what I want is absolutely clear as mud at this point, 
>> here's a diagram of a toy example, with arrows representing links and the 
>> green numbers showing how many “matches” there would be for my search 
>> criteria:
>>
>> [image: ksnip_20210807-210609.png]
>>
>> As always, thanks for any suggestions!
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: A Crazy Idea I had for a Plugin!

[Finn Lancaster]

Awesome, BurningTreeC and Joshua!
I can add both of you as collaborators to the repo.

First things first, I think we need to decide on a method of conversion
from the JS I’ll upload to the specific method of usage in TW5.

If anyone else has better ideas, let me know! I’m not really set on one
work-sharing method, so anything goes!

On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 5:34 AM BurningTreeC 
wrote:

> Hi, I have some experience in WikiText and plugin authoring and I'd be
> glad to help where I can
>
> I'm BurningTreeC at GitHub
> joshua@gmail.com schrieb am Sonntag, 8. August 2021 um 06:32:05 UTC+2:
>
>> This is a really neat idea. I am terribly busy at work, and also with my
>> TW5 "multiplayer" experiments, but this seems worth following. I may be
>> able to help in a few weeks.
>>
>> Best,
>> Joshua Fontany
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 3, 2021 at 3:40:23 PM UTC-7 TW Tones wrote:
>>
>>> Flanc...
>>>
>>> I will join up but the area you need help in is not my own.
>>>
>>> I have intentionally focused on understanding tiddlywiki as a designer
>>> or superuser without recourse to Javascript to solve problems. I am keen on
>>> promoting democratisation of software through tiddlywiki and relying on
>>> Javascript solutions, is not part of a totally open platform, although its
>>> presence is important.
>>>
>>> Not withstanding this, I can help in many ways, I am sure.
>>>
>>> The key is for you to learn how to create macros or widgets that
>>> "export" the functionality within javascript code into tiddlywiki in a way
>>> that it honour's TiddlyWiki mechanism's, which is where all the magic
>>> happens.
>>>
>>> Checkout https://tiddlywiki.com/dev/ if you have not yet, and
>>> Javascript development questions may be best put here
>>> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/discussions
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Tones
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, 4 August 2021 at 00:54:06 UTC+10 flanc...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 @TW Tones, It would be great to have your help!

 As stated, you need not have much programming experience, I am just
 looking for someone more familiar with TW and specific TW syntax for making
 the plugin. From what I have seen, plugins use a specific form of JS (
 https://tiddlywiki.com/dev/static/How%2520to%2520create%2520plugins%2520in%2520the%2520browser.html).
 I can cover the logic portion of the JS code myself, as long as someone can
 make that vanilla JS actually run in TW5.

 In the meantime, I will add you to the repo as a contributor with full
 privileges.

 Thanks so much!

 On Tue, Aug 3, 2021 at 8:29 AM TW Tones  wrote:

> I would love to help but may not have the skills,
>
>- however I recently found the google speech to text is excellent
>and the Microsoft desktop one unusable.
>- So it is trivial to used other apps or tiddlywiki on my android
>phone to dictate into tiddlywiki. Great for English, but perhaps 
> useless
>for wiki code.
>- Of course it would be great if it can be deeply integrated with
>tiddlywiki, however I question if the effort would be better applied to
>improving a workflow between android and ones desktop tiddlywiki's.
>- I am sure there must be browser plugins, or applications that
>can operate on top of the browser so you do not have to maintain a 
> separate
>solution. Just document it well for users. Then the solution would have
>even broader applicability.
>
> Regards
> Tones (AnthonyMuscio on GitHub) *AnthonyMuscio.github.io
> *
> On Tuesday, 3 August 2021 at 22:13:44 UTC+10 flanc...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Good Day to You All:
>>
>> Yesterday, I had my first day of school after the Summer Break, and
>> quickly grew bored of taking notes while my professors talked. I had the
>> bright idea of creating a quick script to DO the notes FOR ME, which is 
>> now
>> open-sourced at https://github.com/flancast90/NoMoreNotes,
>> leveraging the free Google Speech-To-Text API (no key needed, somehow).
>>
>> All of that got me thinking: What other uses could I find for this
>> technology, particularly in Web-Dev (my main area of interest)? This
>> morning, I then thought: What would Speech-To-Text look like in TW5?
>>
>> I have now taken the liberty of making a repo on github to make this
>> idea a reality, at
>> https://github.com/flancast90/Speech-To-Text-in-TW5/, but I do not
>> have the TW-plugin syntax to do this.
>>
>> I would really appreciate it if anyone in this group would lend their
>> expertise whom I could as a collaborator on the repo, where they could
>> cover the plugin UI (buttons on sidebar, etc.), while I could add the 
>> logic
>> for the speech to text behind them.
>>
>> Anyone interested in this, please feel free to leave your Github
>> username 

[tw5] Re: Notes from the Coalface: Pasting URL's with pretty title

[strikke...@gmail.com]

Charlie,
I do not understand either. I find pretty links nice, but I also find it 
handy to be able to hover them and see where the link in fact are going to. 
Not all pretty things turns out to be gold. Luckily that is how it works 
;-). Not Yuch, handy.

Birthe

On Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 8:15:19 AM UTC+2 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> *"Although the link text looks nice, hover over it and look at the URL. 
> Yuck!"*
>
> Thanks, but I still don't understand where The Islander was going with 
> that.
>
> A URL is a URL.  Not quite sure how it could be made prettier, or why it 
> would matter when the link is pretty.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 2:50:41 AM UTC-3 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> Charlie;
>>
>> Use the permalink button you get 
>> https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#Sort%20Filter%20Run%20Prefix thats 
>> Yuk in my view
>> Now control Panel, settings > tiddlywiki >  Display tiddler titles as 
>> links
>>
>> Now open the tiddler and highlight the title and copy, then past here Sort 
>> Filter Run Prefix 
>> 
>> Thats not yuck
>>
>> I think you may see it aint the beholder, its universal. Especially if 
>> you want to see the yuck one just mouse over.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tones
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, 8 August 2021 at 03:57:06 UTC+10 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Yuck how?  What's a non-yuck URL?
>>>
>>> Understanding, of course, that yuck is in the eye of the beholder, and 
>>> that URL's are first about being successful at getting to something on the 
>>> web.
>>>
>>> I ask because of the potential for me to gain a new insight into how 
>>> different people see things.
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 6, 2021 at 12:42:44 AM UTC-3 The Islander wrote:
>>>
 Although the link text looks nice, hover over it and look at the URL. 
 Yuck!

 On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 6:12:40 PM UTC-7 TW Tones wrote:

> Folks,
>
> I just stumbled upon something helpful. You may know how to copy a 
> permalink to a tiddler, this results in URL, and using the to clipboard 
> option is help full. the only problem is the result is an ugly URL with 
> encoding.
>
> I discovered today however if you have Control Panel > Settings > Tiddler 
> Titles 
> 
>  set 
> to Display tiddler titles as links, there is a a better choice. Or where 
> every you see a link in a tiddler eg  Learning 
>  [[Learning  |
> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Learning]] copt that with you mouse.
>
> If the titles are displayed as links highlight and copy the title with 
> your mouse. The result if pasted is well formatted link eg; Navigation 
> History 
> .
>  
> It is not helpful pasting into tiddlywiki,  I will raise an issue on 
> this. 
> But it is helpful pasting links into email and forum posts. As I have 
> done 
> here.
>
> Regards
> Tones
>


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Re: [tw5] Re: NoteTaking in Streams - hierarchy-preserving flattening in wikitext

[strikke...@gmail.com]

fred,

Thank you so much for your streams-fusion plugin. Just what I wished for - 
do not know why it took me so long ;-) to find it.
With lots of notes using streams it will be needed at times. it worked well 
in my wiki.

Birthe

On Friday, July 30, 2021 at 5:57:27 PM UTC+2 fred@gmail.com wrote:

> @walt  please give 0.0.7-beta a try; apologies for the poor release 
> quality: http://fastfreddy.gitlab.io/streams-fusion/
>
> @tones to answer your earlier question; the button display logic is 
> provided by Saq (in response to Jan initially I think) in this tiddler 
> $:/plugins/sq/streams/nodes-list-template using this snippet
>
> <$list filter="[all[shadows+tiddlers]tag[$:/tags/streams/root-buttons]]" 
> variable="btnTiddler">
> 
> <$transclude tiddler=<>/>
> 
> 
>
> my $:/plugins/phiv/streams-fusion/fuse-button button has the 
> $:/tags/streams/root-buttons; please note the snippet above is only 
> displayed on a stream root node.
>
> Were you able to try an import on a plain Streams-enabled notebook?
>
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 at 10:47, Frédéric Demers  wrote:
>
>> @walt; that is an oversight. I clearly didn't test well enough. I'll try 
>> to fix ASAP.
>>
>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 at 10:37, ludwa6  wrote:
>>
>>> Hey @fred: That's a significant upgrade, in terms of functionality and 
>>> polish -all good, except: 
>>>
>>> I seem to have lost the nifty functionality that came with v0.0.3-beta, 
>>> which was handling cleanup of superflous node tiddlers so nicely as part of 
>>> fuse process. 
>>>
>>> Unfortunately: i can't say for sure if this is directly attributed to 
>>> v0.0.6-beta upgrade, because -prior to upgrade- i took the step of deleting 
>>> those 5 tiddlers related to the streams-to-text addon 
>>> . Was that a mistake i wonder?
>>>
>>> Anyway Fred: would love to have that lost cleanup function back, if 
>>> there's anything you can do for me - much obliged!
>>>
>>> /walt
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 30, 2021 at 12:56:53 PM UTC+1 fred@gmail.com wrote:
>>>

 Greetings everyone, version 0.0.6-beta of Streams-fusion 
  is out. It's quite a 
 bit more flexible and can output raw HTML and/or directly to clipboard. 
 Quick settings available directly from the popup menu (more settings at 
 the 
 bottom of the Streams settings screen, including a fused stream name 
 template option).

 Be careful with the "overwrite stream" option. It seems to work well 
 in full trees or in branches (via node context menu), but nonetheless, 
 backups are recommended

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[tw5] Feel free to ask me for help

[bimlas]

Dear all,

I have to practice English, especially voice conversation. I would like to 
help to anyone who would like to implement his/her ideas, but don't know 
how to do. If you would like to talk about your problem, please write to me 
on TiddlyWiki Discord channel (https://discord.gg/wncV2z5) and if I have 
free time, we will start the conversation.

Here are my plugins to show my TiddlyWiki knowledge:
https://github.com/bimlas?tab=repositories=tw5=source=stargazers

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Re: [tw5] Re: Shiraz 2.3.1 new update supports Node Explorer (bidirectional links)

[ludwa6]

Of course you are right, @Mohammad : it works on a clean install of current 
version from tiddlywiki.com... Even when loaded in TiddlyDesktop browser, 
which is my default.  I had thought TD might have been the culprit, but 
no... So i am left w/o any theory of cause, and having to rebuild my wiki 
on this new foundation, in order to enjoy Shiraz in all its glory.  
(wouldn't do this for just any plugin, but i'll make an exception in this 
case, because Shiraz is pretty amazing, Mohammad -kudos to you!)

/walt


On Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 4:53:19 AM UTC+1 Mohammad wrote:

> Walt,
>  No there is nothing else! I recommend checking this on the new empty 
> Tiddlywiki to see if the issue is related to Shiraz or your Tiddlywiki!
>  My test shows Shiraz works as expected! 
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 12:48 AM ludwa6  wrote:
>
>> The "Switch Colours" button was already activated, @Mohammad... So i 
>> cycled it off and on again, but still it has made no difference. 
>> Is there anything else i might try to activate the feature?
>>
>> /walt
>>
>> On Saturday, August 7, 2021 at 7:47:59 PM UTC+1 Mohammad wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Walt,
>>>  Make sure that: The Switch Colours button in the sidebar/Tools is 
>>> selected!
>>>
>>>
>>> (side note: I should use the same caption for the same button in 
>>> different location! ;-) )
>>>
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Mohammad
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 7, 2021 at 5:43 PM ludwa6  wrote:
>>>
 Having just upgraded from v2.2.2 of Shiraz to latest 2.3.4 (/note to 
 self: keep more abreast of news from @Mohammad!), i am keen to enjoy all 
 the benefits... But, following the excellent tutorial 
 , it seems that 
 the last option in Shiraz configuration control panel- "*Show switch 
 palette on page controls*" -is missing from my installation.  Have 
 saved and restarted my TW  instance (a single-file version) several times, 
 but it makes no difference.   Can anyone can suggest a fix or plausible 
 theory of cause?

 /walt
 ...

>>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: NoteTaking in Streams - hierarchy-preserving flattening in wikitext

[ludwa6]

Sounds like an interesting solution, @Maki, to a problem i also have, i.e. 
: How to get around the limitations of this mobile platform -Quine2 on iOS- 
to leverage the full power of TW+Streams application. 

Specifically: context menus requiring right-click (or control-click on Mac 
w/ 1 button mouse), i have not yet found a way to access on mobile.  Does 
this shift+z solution of yours address that specific problem?

If so, then: Can you tell us how that solution can be most easily installed 
on a standard TW instance?  I tried to find it on your site 
, but couldn't manage to navigate the Chinese 
character set.

/walt

On Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 7:36:43 AM UTC+1 ma...@makiaea.org wrote:

> just jumping in to share my experience with streams on mobile.
>
> i'm on an old iphone and i basically have tiddlywiki open all day using 
> quine2. been using saq's streams lately with a tweaked shortcut to save 
> tiddler+stream, shift+z. works really well for quick notetaking on ios. 
> have customised the layout quite a bit ( http://makiaea.org ) for mobile 
> but the heavy lifting is from streams and shift+z. 
>
> maybe there is an easier way but shift+z is not a key i use often and it's 
> easily available on the ios touch keyboard. not for everybody, but it made 
> it much easier (personally) to use streams. hope this helps!
>
> sorry for short message, have to send before gg eats my post
> On Friday, August 6, 2021 at 7:16:26 AM UTC+1 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi Mark,
>>
>> That sounds very disconcerting. Please do let me know if you discover a 
>> way to recreate the problem.
>> It seems particularly odd that the configuration tiddlers were affected 
>> as neither the text splitting code nor relink should be touching those.
>>
>> There have been problems in the past where splitting longer text into 
>> nodes using alt+enter and having the configuration for new nodes to use the 
>> unusedtitle macro resulted in some nodes not being visible in the Stream. I 
>> have attempted to fix that but it is an area that needs further attention 
>> and upcoming changes in TW 5.2.0 will help clean it up. However, even if 
>> that bug is resurfacing, it would not explain the issue with configuration 
>> tiddlers. I will review the code for splitting longer text into multiple 
>> tiddlers once more.
>>
>> Saq
>>
>>
>> On Friday, August 6, 2021 at 3:55:15 AM UTC+2 Mark S. wrote:
>>
>>> There might be a problem with the text splitter, or maybe relink or 
>>> relink with the text splitter.  I was looking at my sample Streams file and 
>>> found I couldn't see any of the notes I had made previously. But all the 
>>> tiddlers were still in the TW. After some examination, I found that several 
>>> Streams configuration tiddlers had swapped titles (or swapped contents, 
>>> depending on your perspective) There were at least a half dozen such 
>>> configuration tiddlers. So Maximum node width 
>>> <#m_-5158747867511053490_m_7186877098821485007_m_5305531832700594985_%24%3A%2Fconfig%2Fsq%2Fstreams%2Fnode-max-width>
>>>  had \n\n in it and so forth. 
>>>
>>> I don't see how that could have happened without code that actually 
>>> changes things. So either relink got something messed up, or the text 
>>> splitter moved titles around. None of the code I've added (my own search 
>>> section) changes tiddler's names or contents. The only other code I've used 
>>> is the command palette, which I've now disabled.
>>>
>>> I know this isn't very helpful, but in case someone else encounters 
>>> similar problems it may help narrow things down. 
>>>
>>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: A Crazy Idea I had for a Plugin!

[BurningTreeC]

Hi, I have some experience in WikiText and plugin authoring and I'd be glad 
to help where I can

I'm BurningTreeC at GitHub
joshua@gmail.com schrieb am Sonntag, 8. August 2021 um 06:32:05 UTC+2:

> This is a really neat idea. I am terribly busy at work, and also with my 
> TW5 "multiplayer" experiments, but this seems worth following. I may be 
> able to help in a few weeks.
>
> Best,
> Joshua Fontany
>
> On Tuesday, August 3, 2021 at 3:40:23 PM UTC-7 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> Flanc...
>>
>> I will join up but the area you need help in is not my own. 
>>
>> I have intentionally focused on understanding tiddlywiki as a designer or 
>> superuser without recourse to Javascript to solve problems. I am keen on 
>> promoting democratisation of software through tiddlywiki and relying on 
>> Javascript solutions, is not part of a totally open platform, although its 
>> presence is important.
>>
>> Not withstanding this, I can help in many ways, I am sure.
>>
>> The key is for you to learn how to create macros or widgets that "export" 
>> the functionality within javascript code into tiddlywiki in a way that it 
>> honour's TiddlyWiki mechanism's, which is where all the magic happens.
>>
>> Checkout https://tiddlywiki.com/dev/ if you have not yet, and Javascript 
>> development questions may be best put here 
>> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/discussions
>>
>> Regards
>> Tones
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, 4 August 2021 at 00:54:06 UTC+10 flanc...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> @TW Tones, It would be great to have your help! 
>>>
>>> As stated, you need not have much programming experience, I am just 
>>> looking for someone more familiar with TW and specific TW syntax for making 
>>> the plugin. From what I have seen, plugins use a specific form of JS (
>>> https://tiddlywiki.com/dev/static/How%2520to%2520create%2520plugins%2520in%2520the%2520browser.html).
>>>  
>>> I can cover the logic portion of the JS code myself, as long as someone can 
>>> make that vanilla JS actually run in TW5.
>>>
>>> In the meantime, I will add you to the repo as a contributor with full 
>>> privileges. 
>>>
>>> Thanks so much!
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 3, 2021 at 8:29 AM TW Tones  wrote:
>>>
 I would love to help but may not have the skills, 

- however I recently found the google speech to text is excellent 
and the Microsoft desktop one unusable. 
- So it is trivial to used other apps or tiddlywiki on my android 
phone to dictate into tiddlywiki. Great for English, but perhaps 
 useless 
for wiki code.
- Of course it would be great if it can be deeply integrated with 
tiddlywiki, however I question if the effort would be better applied to 
improving a workflow between android and ones desktop tiddlywiki's.
- I am sure there must be browser plugins, or applications that can 
operate on top of the browser so you do not have to maintain a separate 
solution. Just document it well for users. Then the solution would have 
even broader applicability.

 Regards
 Tones (AnthonyMuscio on GitHub) *AnthonyMuscio.github.io 
 *
 On Tuesday, 3 August 2021 at 22:13:44 UTC+10 flanc...@gmail.com wrote:

> Good Day to You All:
>
> Yesterday, I had my first day of school after the Summer Break, and 
> quickly grew bored of taking notes while my professors talked. I had the 
> bright idea of creating a quick script to DO the notes FOR ME, which is 
> now 
> open-sourced at https://github.com/flancast90/NoMoreNotes, leveraging 
> the free Google Speech-To-Text API (no key needed, somehow).
>
> All of that got me thinking: What other uses could I find for this 
> technology, particularly in Web-Dev (my main area of interest)? This 
> morning, I then thought: What would Speech-To-Text look like in TW5?
>
> I have now taken the liberty of making a repo on github to make this 
> idea a reality, at 
> https://github.com/flancast90/Speech-To-Text-in-TW5/, but I do not 
> have the TW-plugin syntax to do this. 
>
> I would really appreciate it if anyone in this group would lend their 
> expertise whom I could as a collaborator on the repo, where they could 
> cover the plugin UI (buttons on sidebar, etc.), while I could add the 
> logic 
> for the speech to text behind them. 
>
> Anyone interested in this, please feel free to leave your Github 
> username (so I can add you), and I will elaborate more on the idea in the 
> Discussions tab of the repo after. Thanks!
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Re: [tw5] Re: NoteTaking in Streams - hierarchy-preserving flattening in wikitext

[maki aea]

just jumping in to share my experience with streams on mobile.

i'm on an old iphone and i basically have tiddlywiki open all day using 
quine2. been using saq's streams lately with a tweaked shortcut to save 
tiddler+stream, shift+z. works really well for quick notetaking on ios. 
have customised the layout quite a bit ( http://makiaea.org ) for mobile 
but the heavy lifting is from streams and shift+z. 

maybe there is an easier way but shift+z is not a key i use often and it's 
easily available on the ios touch keyboard. not for everybody, but it made 
it much easier (personally) to use streams. hope this helps!

sorry for short message, have to send before gg eats my post
On Friday, August 6, 2021 at 7:16:26 AM UTC+1 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Mark,
>
> That sounds very disconcerting. Please do let me know if you discover a 
> way to recreate the problem.
> It seems particularly odd that the configuration tiddlers were affected as 
> neither the text splitting code nor relink should be touching those.
>
> There have been problems in the past where splitting longer text into 
> nodes using alt+enter and having the configuration for new nodes to use the 
> unusedtitle macro resulted in some nodes not being visible in the Stream. I 
> have attempted to fix that but it is an area that needs further attention 
> and upcoming changes in TW 5.2.0 will help clean it up. However, even if 
> that bug is resurfacing, it would not explain the issue with configuration 
> tiddlers. I will review the code for splitting longer text into multiple 
> tiddlers once more.
>
> Saq
>
>
> On Friday, August 6, 2021 at 3:55:15 AM UTC+2 Mark S. wrote:
>
>> There might be a problem with the text splitter, or maybe relink or 
>> relink with the text splitter.  I was looking at my sample Streams file and 
>> found I couldn't see any of the notes I had made previously. But all the 
>> tiddlers were still in the TW. After some examination, I found that several 
>> Streams configuration tiddlers had swapped titles (or swapped contents, 
>> depending on your perspective) There were at least a half dozen such 
>> configuration tiddlers. So Maximum node width 
>> <#m_7186877098821485007_m_5305531832700594985_%24%3A%2Fconfig%2Fsq%2Fstreams%2Fnode-max-width>
>>  had \n\n in it and so forth. 
>>
>> I don't see how that could have happened without code that actually 
>> changes things. So either relink got something messed up, or the text 
>> splitter moved titles around. None of the code I've added (my own search 
>> section) changes tiddler's names or contents. The only other code I've used 
>> is the command palette, which I've now disabled.
>>
>> I know this isn't very helpful, but in case someone else encounters 
>> similar problems it may help narrow things down. 
>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Dreaming of "TidEdit", an in-browser TiddlyWiki WikiText editor

[CJ Veniot]

Nah, Chromebook.  Half-a-dozen TiddlyWikis.  All on Google Drive and
accessed with TiddlyDrive.  I don't really want to have all of them open
all day for whenever I might have a thought.

I much prefer throw notes in quickly loaded small/distraction-free apps, so
it is just a quick trip to the computer while I put chores/whatever on hold
for just a second.  Later when I can sit down, I can do the TiddlyWiki work.

Skrifa

seems
like the right tool for the job for quick-note taking, when I want a little
formatting to quickly organize more complicated notes.  Otherwise Google
Keep or Gmail or Google Calendar for short/simple text notes.

The Skrifa notes, the HTML for them can be copied into TiddlyWiki as-is.
Not as convenient as having a "TidEdit" app, but it is quick and TW handles
the HTML natively (i.e. don't need a plugin like I would if I was pasting
markdown text into my tiddlers.)



On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 3:16 AM maki aea  wrote:

>
> hi i'm guessing you're on android? i'm on an old iphone and i basically
> have tiddlywiki open all day using quine2. been using saq's streams lately
> with a tweaked shortcut to save tiddler+stream, shift+z. works really well
> for quick notetaking on ios. have customised the layout quite a bit (
> http://makiaea.org ) for mobile but the heavy lifting is from streams and
> shift+z. hope you can find something that works for you
> On Saturday, August 7, 2021 at 6:47:34 PM UTC+1 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I just found a better reference (i.e. in-browser simple text editor):
>> https://browserpad.org/
>>
>> That one knows filename when opening a file, and remembers that filename
>> on "save" ("save/export", in my mind.)
>>
>> If that thing had TW formatting buttons and a preview pane, it would be
>> exactly what I'm looking for. (Well, I wouldn't want the spell-checking
>> check box, nor that github button in the bottom-right.)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, August 7, 2021 at 1:41:35 PM UTC-3 Charlie Veniot wrote:
>>
>>> In regards to open and save *(just for
>>> reference:  https://www.outpan.com/app/e7d5b37405/mytextarea
>>> )* ...
>>>
>>> I'm thinking an open button like the one in that editor, and an
>>> export/save button that works exactly like the tiddler export button in
>>> TiddlyWiki, with just the TID option or with more/all options.
>>>
>>> So no save mechanisms.  Just enter WikiText-à-la-TiddlyWiki, preview,
>>> and click export as TID.
>>>
>>>
>>> Whenever I just want to take down a quick note, TiddlyWiki is rarely my
>>> first choice.  Using my Chromebook, I typically go to Gmail or Google Keep,
>>> or even Google Calendar, first.
>>>
>>> Having a small HTML page, i.e. TidEdit app, available to me, I could see
>>> myself going there first when I want to take down a note that is slightly
>>> more substantial organization-wise, but not so substantial that I want to
>>> open a TiddlyWiki (which I keep on Google Drive, using the TiddlyDrive
>>> add-on app.)  So a bit like a simple text editor, but a little bit
>>> StackEdit-like, with a way to get the content into a TID.
>>>
>>> With something like that, I might actually use my small+old smartphone
>>> for more than just phone and text-messaging...
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 7, 2021 at 1:01:22 PM UTC-3 Charlie Veniot wrote:
>>>
 Define backward.

 To me, it is like the difference between a small text editor and a word
 processor.  Using a text editor for certain things, instead of a full Word
 Processor isn't going backwards.  It is just using the simplest tool that
 makes sense for an immediate need.

 Same thing for "TidEdit".  It is just about reaching for the simplest
 and quickest tool for an immediate need (just jot down a note) , yet having
 that WikiText available (and preview) for quick visual organization of that
 one note, however short/long, for later serious processing.

 In a way, it boils down to that difference (in my mind, anyway) between
 note-taking and note-making.

 I imagine TidEdit as something complimentary to TiddlyWiki, a really
 nice addition to a TiddlyWiki ecosystem of
 tools/components/workflow-enablers.

 A simple HTML page with a text area on the left, preview pane on the
 right, and buttons for WikiText markup, and buttons for "new", "open", and
 "save", always working with TID files for each drag and drop into a
 TiddlyWiki.

 Why would any "save" plugins be required?  "Save" would be like
 "download", and open would be like "upload".  Aren't those just basic
 javascript functions?

 I suppose it isn't really about stripping down TiddlyWiki.  It is about
 creating a single HTML file that provides something that is StackEdit-ish
 (no "notebook" and no multiple notes handling), with buttons that work like
 the 

Re: [tw5] Re: Dreaming of "TidEdit", an in-browser TiddlyWiki WikiText editor

[maki aea]

hi i'm guessing you're on android? i'm on an old iphone and i basically 
have tiddlywiki open all day using quine2. been using saq's streams lately 
with a tweaked shortcut to save tiddler+stream, shift+z. works really well 
for quick notetaking on ios. have customised the layout quite a bit ( 
http://makiaea.org ) for mobile but the heavy lifting is from streams and 
shift+z. hope you can find something that works for you
On Saturday, August 7, 2021 at 6:47:34 PM UTC+1 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> I just found a better reference (i.e. in-browser simple text editor):  
> https://browserpad.org/
>
> That one knows filename when opening a file, and remembers that filename 
> on "save" ("save/export", in my mind.)
>
> If that thing had TW formatting buttons and a preview pane, it would be 
> exactly what I'm looking for. (Well, I wouldn't want the spell-checking 
> check box, nor that github button in the bottom-right.) 
>
>
>
> On Saturday, August 7, 2021 at 1:41:35 PM UTC-3 Charlie Veniot wrote:
>
>> In regards to open and save *(just for 
>> reference:  https://www.outpan.com/app/e7d5b37405/mytextarea 
>> )* ...
>>
>> I'm thinking an open button like the one in that editor, and an 
>> export/save button that works exactly like the tiddler export button in 
>> TiddlyWiki, with just the TID option or with more/all options.
>>
>> So no save mechanisms.  Just enter WikiText-à-la-TiddlyWiki, preview, and 
>> click export as TID.
>>
>>
>> Whenever I just want to take down a quick note, TiddlyWiki is rarely my 
>> first choice.  Using my Chromebook, I typically go to Gmail or Google Keep, 
>> or even Google Calendar, first.
>>
>> Having a small HTML page, i.e. TidEdit app, available to me, I could see 
>> myself going there first when I want to take down a note that is slightly 
>> more substantial organization-wise, but not so substantial that I want to 
>> open a TiddlyWiki (which I keep on Google Drive, using the TiddlyDrive 
>> add-on app.)  So a bit like a simple text editor, but a little bit 
>> StackEdit-like, with a way to get the content into a TID.
>>
>> With something like that, I might actually use my small+old smartphone 
>> for more than just phone and text-messaging...
>>
>> On Saturday, August 7, 2021 at 1:01:22 PM UTC-3 Charlie Veniot wrote:
>>
>>> Define backward.
>>>
>>> To me, it is like the difference between a small text editor and a word 
>>> processor.  Using a text editor for certain things, instead of a full Word 
>>> Processor isn't going backwards.  It is just using the simplest tool that 
>>> makes sense for an immediate need.
>>>
>>> Same thing for "TidEdit".  It is just about reaching for the simplest 
>>> and quickest tool for an immediate need (just jot down a note) , yet having 
>>> that WikiText available (and preview) for quick visual organization of that 
>>> one note, however short/long, for later serious processing.
>>>
>>> In a way, it boils down to that difference (in my mind, anyway) between 
>>> note-taking and note-making.
>>>
>>> I imagine TidEdit as something complimentary to TiddlyWiki, a really 
>>> nice addition to a TiddlyWiki ecosystem of 
>>> tools/components/workflow-enablers.
>>>
>>> A simple HTML page with a text area on the left, preview pane on the 
>>> right, and buttons for WikiText markup, and buttons for "new", "open", and 
>>> "save", always working with TID files for each drag and drop into a 
>>> TiddlyWiki.
>>>
>>> Why would any "save" plugins be required?  "Save" would be like 
>>> "download", and open would be like "upload".  Aren't those just basic 
>>> javascript functions?
>>>
>>> I suppose it isn't really about stripping down TiddlyWiki.  It is about 
>>> creating a single HTML file that provides something that is StackEdit-ish 
>>> (no "notebook" and no multiple notes handling), with buttons that work like 
>>> the tiddler edit buttons for WikiText formatting, and those "new" (clear 
>>> text area and preview), "open" (pick a file and put the content of that 
>>> file in the text area), "save" (i.e. just download a file that has the 
>>> content from the textarea) buttons.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 7, 2021 at 12:41 PM PMario  wrote:
>>>
 On Saturday, August 7, 2021 at 4:19:52 PM UTC+2 cj.v...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

 i.e. just what is needed to create/edit/save WikiText (à la TiddlyWiki) 
> to a TID file.  Nothing else.
>

 TLDR;

 You are right, we may be able to strip about half of the *UI* size, 
 but this would mean we will go backwards. ... 

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 As you probably know, browsers will only let you save to the Downloads 
 directory and subdirectories with default browser plugins. 
 With Timimi you can choose the directory, but you will need 2 
 components. A browser AddOn and an executable.

 There is a new file-API for chromium based browsers, but they will also 
 need a server somewhere in the 

[tw5] Re: Notes from the Coalface: Pasting URL's with pretty title

[Charlie Veniot]

*"Although the link text looks nice, hover over it and look at the URL. 
Yuck!"*

Thanks, but I still don't understand where The Islander was going with that.

A URL is a URL.  Not quite sure how it could be made prettier, or why it 
would matter when the link is pretty.





On Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 2:50:41 AM UTC-3 TW Tones wrote:

> Charlie;
>
> Use the permalink button you get 
> https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#Sort%20Filter%20Run%20Prefix thats Yuk 
> in my view
> Now control Panel, settings > tiddlywiki >  Display tiddler titles as links
>
> Now open the tiddler and highlight the title and copy, then past here Sort 
> Filter Run Prefix 
> 
> Thats not yuck
>
> I think you may see it aint the beholder, its universal. Especially if you 
> want to see the yuck one just mouse over.
>
> Regards
> Tones
>
>
> On Sunday, 8 August 2021 at 03:57:06 UTC+10 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Yuck how?  What's a non-yuck URL?
>>
>> Understanding, of course, that yuck is in the eye of the beholder, and 
>> that URL's are first about being successful at getting to something on the 
>> web.
>>
>> I ask because of the potential for me to gain a new insight into how 
>> different people see things.
>>
>> On Friday, August 6, 2021 at 12:42:44 AM UTC-3 The Islander wrote:
>>
>>> Although the link text looks nice, hover over it and look at the URL. 
>>> Yuck!
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 6:12:40 PM UTC-7 TW Tones wrote:
>>>
 Folks,

 I just stumbled upon something helpful. You may know how to copy a 
 permalink to a tiddler, this results in URL, and using the to clipboard 
 option is help full. the only problem is the result is an ugly URL with 
 encoding.

 I discovered today however if you have Control Panel > Settings > Tiddler 
 Titles 
 
  set 
 to Display tiddler titles as links, there is a a better choice. Or where 
 every you see a link in a tiddler eg  Learning 
  [[Learning  |
 https://tiddlywiki.com/#Learning]] copt that with you mouse.

 If the titles are displayed as links highlight and copy the title with 
 your mouse. The result if pasted is well formatted link eg; Navigation 
 History 
 .
  
 It is not helpful pasting into tiddlywiki,  I will raise an issue on this. 
 But it is helpful pasting links into email and forum posts. As I have done 
 here.

 Regards
 Tones

>>>

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