[tw] Re: How do I "permalink" in an email
> Apparently, when I send and email, the link doesn't get followed. It only > opens the wiki, and doesn't (for some reason), follow the link. > > The problem is the [[ and ]]... In FF2, these were correctly encoded as "%5B" and "%5D", respectively. However, starting with FF3, the browser began forcing these back to [ and ], even though the TiddlyWiki core *is* still encoding them properly, just as before. Unfortunately, the source of this problem seems to lie entirely within the Firefox runtime, and there doesn't appear to be anything we can do to work around it... :-( In fact, the ticket for this problem (http:// trac.tiddlywiki.org/ticket/629) was just closed 5 days ago... > Any advice? You can *hand edit* the permalink when you paste it into your email, and replace the [ and ] with their properly encoded equivalents, like this: file:///M:/Logistics%20shared/General/Wiki/TraineeWiki.html#%5C%5CHow%20to%20format%20my%20DP%20bold%5D%5D enjoy, -e Eric Shulman TiddlyTools / ELS Design Studios --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To post to this group, send email to TiddlyWiki@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[tw] Re: How do I "permalink" in an email
Will FF3 change this behaviour? But thanks, most people is on IE, and it'll work there (I tested). I actually tried PermalinkPlugin, which works, just not with IE. I thought it didn't actually, but now I know it does. On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Eric Shulman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Apparently, when I send and email, the link doesn't get followed. It > only > > opens the wiki, and doesn't (for some reason), follow the link. > > > > > > > The problem is the [[ and ]]... > > In FF2, these were correctly encoded as "%5B" and "%5D", > respectively. However, starting with FF3, the browser began forcing > these back to [ and ], even though the TiddlyWiki core *is* still > encoding them properly, just as before. > > Unfortunately, the source of this problem seems to lie entirely within > the Firefox runtime, and there doesn't appear to be anything we can do > to work around it... :-( In fact, the ticket for this problem (http:// > trac.tiddlywiki.org/ticket/629) was just closed 5 days ago... > > > Any advice? > > You can *hand edit* the permalink when you paste it into your email, > and replace the [ and ] with their properly encoded equivalents, like > this: > > > file:///M:/Logistics%20shared/General/Wiki/TraineeWiki.html#%5B%5BHow%20to%20format%20my%20DP%20bold%5D%5D > > enjoy, > -e > Eric Shulman > TiddlyTools / ELS Design Studios > > > > -- o__ ,_.>/ _ (_)_\(_)___ ...speed is good ___ I believe five out of four people have a problem with fractions. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To post to this group, send email to TiddlyWiki@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[tw] Re: How do I "permalink" in an email
I was trying to overcome this same permalink issue as well. We use Firefox 3 in our office and Outlook as our email client. Whenever a permalink is pasted into an email message, the final two ]] aren't recognized by Outlook as part of the URL. I thought this limitation could be overcome by fixing the email message. So I wrote a macro that would perform a find and replace on the [[ and ]] with %5B%5B and %5D%5D respectively. I then set up a Rule in Outlook that runs the macro on incoming email messages. That whole process works fine. A permalink generated by Firefox 3 can be pasted pasted into an email and sent to a co-worker. When the message is received, the macro automatically fixes the hyperlink, so the user doesn't have to be bothered with editing the URL. Unfortunately, it seems that Outlook will only pass the base URL to the browser (whatever the browser, IE, Firefox, Chrome). For example, if the email contains: file:///C:/TW/TiddlyWiki.html#%5B%5BTask%20List%5D%5D Clicking that link in Outlook results in file:///C:/TW/TiddlyWiki.html opening with the default tiddlers, rather than opening at tiddler "Task List". As far as I can tell, this is just the way Outlook handles such a URL. I'm trying to find out if there is a way to override this behavior. Bottom line: permalinks don't seem to work with Outlook, regardless of the URL contains ]]'s or the encoded equivalent. ~Roger On Nov 24, 9:50 am, "Reenen Laurie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Will FF3 change this behaviour? > > But thanks, most people is on IE, and it'll work there (I tested). > > I actually tried PermalinkPlugin, which works, just not with IE. I thought > it didn't actually, but now I know it does. > > > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Eric Shulman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Apparently, when I send and email, the link doesn't get followed. It > > only > > > opens the wiki, and doesn't (for some reason), follow the link. > > > > > > The problem is the [[ and ]]... > > > In FF2, these were correctly encoded as "%5B" and "%5D", > > respectively. However, starting with FF3, the browser began forcing > > these back to [ and ], even though the TiddlyWiki core *is* still > > encoding them properly, just as before. > > > Unfortunately, the source of this problem seems to lie entirely within > > the Firefox runtime, and there doesn't appear to be anything we can do > > to work around it... :-( In fact, the ticket for this problem (http:// > > trac.tiddlywiki.org/ticket/629) was just closed 5 days ago... > > > > Any advice? > > > You can *hand edit* the permalink when you paste it into your email, > > and replace the [ and ] with their properly encoded equivalents, like > > this: > > > file:///M:/Logistics%20shared/General/Wiki/TraineeWiki.html#%5B%5BHow%20to%20format%20my%20DP%20bold%5D%5D > > > enjoy, > > -e > > Eric Shulman > > TiddlyTools / ELS Design Studios > > -- > o__ > ,_.>/ _ > (_)_\(_)___ > ...speed is good > ___ > I believe five out of four people have a problem with fractions. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To post to this group, send email to TiddlyWiki@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[tw] Re: How do I "permalink" in an email
Following up on my previous post. I thought it might be an Outlook 2007 issue. Apparently Microsoft has Outlook 2007 designed to use Word to render the HTML for email messages. The same problems I described in connection with opening a permalink from an Outlook email message also occurs when accessing a permalink from a Word 2007 document. Then I tried pasting a permalink in an OpenOffice document. The ]] at the end of the URL had to be converted to %5D%5D in order for the entire URL to be recognized. However, the end result was the same. Clicking the permalink resulted in the base URL opening, but not the actual permalinked tiddler. Then I tried Outlook Express. Same results. The only way I can get a permalink to work correctly is when I paste the permalink directly into the address bar of a browser, or as a hyperlink in an html document, such as a TiddlyWiki document or other web page. ~Roger On Nov 24, 8:44 pm, roger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was trying to overcome this same permalink issue as well. We use > Firefox 3 in our office and Outlook as our email client. Whenever a > permalink is pasted into an email message, the final two ]] aren't > recognized by Outlook as part of the URL. I thought this limitation > could be overcome by fixing the email message. So I wrote a macro > that would perform a find and replace on the [[ and ]] with %5B%5B and > %5D%5D respectively. I then set up a Rule in Outlook that runs the > macro on incoming email messages. That whole process works fine. A > permalink generated by Firefox 3 can be pasted pasted into an email > and sent to a co-worker. When the message is received, the macro > automatically fixes the hyperlink, so the user doesn't have to be > bothered with editing the URL. > > Unfortunately, it seems that Outlook will only pass the base URL to > the browser (whatever the browser, IE, Firefox, Chrome). For example, > if the email contains: > file:///C:/TW/TiddlyWiki.html#%5B%5BTask%20List%5D%5D > Clicking that link in Outlook results in file:///C:/TW/TiddlyWiki.html > opening with the default tiddlers, rather than opening at tiddler > "Task List". > > As far as I can tell, this is just the way Outlook handles such a > URL. I'm trying to find out if there is a way to override this > behavior. Bottom line: permalinks don't seem to work with Outlook, > regardless of the URL contains ]]'s or the encoded equivalent. > > ~Roger > > On Nov 24, 9:50 am, "Reenen Laurie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Will FF3 change this behaviour? > > > But thanks, most people is on IE, and it'll work there (I tested). > > > I actually tried PermalinkPlugin, which works, just not with IE. I thought > > it didn't actually, but now I know it does. > > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Eric Shulman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Apparently, when I send and email, the link doesn't get followed. It > > > only > > > > opens the wiki, and doesn't (for some reason), follow the link. > > > > > > > > The problem is the [[ and ]]... > > > > In FF2, these were correctly encoded as "%5B" and "%5D", > > > respectively. However, starting with FF3, the browser began forcing > > > these back to [ and ], even though the TiddlyWiki core *is* still > > > encoding them properly, just as before. > > > > Unfortunately, the source of this problem seems to lie entirely within > > > the Firefox runtime, and there doesn't appear to be anything we can do > > > to work around it... :-( In fact, the ticket for this problem (http:// > > > trac.tiddlywiki.org/ticket/629) was just closed 5 days ago... > > > > > Any advice? > > > > You can *hand edit* the permalink when you paste it into your email, > > > and replace the [ and ] with their properly encoded equivalents, like > > > this: > > > > file:///M:/Logistics%20shared/General/Wiki/TraineeWiki.html#%5B%5BHow%20to%20format%20my%20DP%20bold%5D%5D > > > > enjoy, > > > -e > > > Eric Shulman > > > TiddlyTools / ELS Design Studios > > > -- > > o__ > > ,_.>/ _ > > (_)_\(_)___ > > ...speed is good > > ___ > > I believe five out of four people have a problem with fractions. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To post to this group, send email to TiddlyWiki@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[tw] Re: How do I "permalink" in an email
Yes, I also think it's a MS issue... But I think the issue lies with the #... that somehow separates the destination from parameters. Is there not a "code" for a #? But I assume they are just normally allowed in urls. Reenen On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 5:44 AM, roger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Following up on my previous post. I thought it might be an Outlook > 2007 issue. Apparently Microsoft has Outlook 2007 designed to use > Word to render the HTML for email messages. The same problems I > described in connection with opening a permalink from an Outlook email > message also occurs when accessing a permalink from a Word 2007 > document. > > Then I tried pasting a permalink in an OpenOffice document. The ]] at > the end of the URL had to be converted to %5D%5D in order for the > entire URL to be recognized. However, the end result was the same. > Clicking the permalink resulted in the base URL opening, but not the > actual permalinked tiddler. > > Then I tried Outlook Express. Same results. > > The only way I can get a permalink to work correctly is when I paste > the permalink directly into the address bar of a browser, or as a > hyperlink in an html document, such as a TiddlyWiki document or other > web page. > > ~Roger > > On Nov 24, 8:44 pm, roger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I was trying to overcome this same permalink issue as well. We use > > Firefox 3 in our office and Outlook as our email client. Whenever a > > permalink is pasted into an email message, the final two ]] aren't > > recognized by Outlook as part of the URL. I thought this limitation > > could be overcome by fixing the email message. So I wrote a macro > > that would perform a find and replace on the [[ and ]] with %5B%5B and > > %5D%5D respectively. I then set up a Rule in Outlook that runs the > > macro on incoming email messages. That whole process works fine. A > > permalink generated by Firefox 3 can be pasted pasted into an email > > and sent to a co-worker. When the message is received, the macro > > automatically fixes the hyperlink, so the user doesn't have to be > > bothered with editing the URL. > > > > Unfortunately, it seems that Outlook will only pass the base URL to > > the browser (whatever the browser, IE, Firefox, Chrome). For example, > > if the email contains: > > file:///C:/TW/TiddlyWiki.html#%5B%5BTask%20List%5D%5D > > Clicking that link in Outlook results in file:///C:/TW/TiddlyWiki.html > > opening with the default tiddlers, rather than opening at tiddler > > "Task List". > > > > As far as I can tell, this is just the way Outlook handles such a > > URL. I'm trying to find out if there is a way to override this > > behavior. Bottom line: permalinks don't seem to work with Outlook, > > regardless of the URL contains ]]'s or the encoded equivalent. > > > > ~Roger > > > > On Nov 24, 9:50 am, "Reenen Laurie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Will FF3 change this behaviour? > > > > > But thanks, most people is on IE, and it'll work there (I tested). > > > > > I actually tried PermalinkPlugin, which works, just not with IE. I > thought > > > it didn't actually, but now I know it does. > > > > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Eric Shulman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > Apparently, when I send and email, the link doesn't get followed. > It > > > > only > > > > > opens the wiki, and doesn't (for some reason), follow the link. > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem is the [[ and ]]... > > > > > > In FF2, these were correctly encoded as "%5B" and "%5D", > > > > respectively. However, starting with FF3, the browser began forcing > > > > these back to [ and ], even though the TiddlyWiki core *is* still > > > > encoding them properly, just as before. > > > > > > Unfortunately, the source of this problem seems to lie entirely > within > > > > the Firefox runtime, and there doesn't appear to be anything we can > do > > > > to work around it... :-( In fact, the ticket for this problem > (http:// > > > > trac.tiddlywiki.org/ticket/629) was just closed 5 days ago... > > > > > > > Any advice? > > > > > > You can *hand edit* the permalink when you paste it into your email, > > > > and replace the [ and ] with their properly encoded equivalents, like > > > > this: > > > > > > > file:///M:/Logistics%20shared/General/Wiki/TraineeWiki.html#%5B%5BHow%20to%20format%20my%20DP%20bold%5D%5D > > > > > > enjoy, > > > > -e > > > > Eric Shulman > > > > TiddlyTools / ELS Design Studios > > > > > -- > > > o__ > > > ,_.>/ _ > > > (_)_\(_)___ > > > ...speed is good > > > ___ > > > I believe five out of four people have a problem with fractions. > > > -- o__ ,_.>/ _ (_)_\(_)___ ...speed is good ___ I believe five out of four people have a problem with fractions. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To post to this group, send email to TiddlyWiki@googlegroups
[tw] Re: How do I "permalink" in an email
> Apparently, when I send and email, the link doesn't get followed. Just to be on the safe side: Does that file actually exist on the recipient's end? Your example looks like a mapped network drive - maybe your colleagues have it mapped to a different drive letter, or not at all? -- F. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To post to this group, send email to TiddlyWiki@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[tw] Re: How do I "permalink" in an email
Thanks, yes, I actually am testing it by sending it to myself at the moment. It seems that it is an issue with outlook, that you cannot send "anchored" links via it. I've tried to change the # to %23, but that then makes that the file is not found. But I'll tell the people to copy and paste the link into their browser bar, or use the "search" function for them. On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 11:00 AM, FND <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Apparently, when I send and email, the link doesn't get followed. > > Just to be on the safe side: Does that file actually exist on the > recipient's end? Your example looks like a mapped network drive - maybe > your colleagues have it mapped to a different drive letter, or not at all? > > > -- F. > > > > -- o__ ,_.>/ _ (_)_\(_)___ ...speed is good ___ I believe five out of four people have a problem with fractions. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To post to this group, send email to TiddlyWiki@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[tw] Re: How do I "permalink" in an email
> Yes, I also think it's a MS issue... But I think the issue lies with the > #... I was thinking it must be a MS issue as well, until I discovered that the permalinks were being handled (mishandled) by OpenOffice too. > that somehow separates the destination from parameters. Is there not a > "code" for a #? When I tried to substitute %23 for # in a permalink URL, the hyperlink wouldn't open at all in Outlook 2007, Word 2007 or OpenOffice, but the base URL would still open from Outlook Express. ~Roger --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To post to this group, send email to TiddlyWiki@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[tw] Re: How do I "permalink" in an email
My problems accessing a permalink from an Outlook email hyperlink is limited to a TiddlyWiki saved on the local file system. So a hyperlink to http://myTW.html#Item1 will open the TW with the Item1 tiddler being displayed. A hyperlink to file:///c:/myTW.html#Item1 will open the TW with the default tiddler(s) being displayed. ~Roger "Anyone who isn't confused really doesn't understand the situation." -- Edward R. Murrow On Nov 25, 7:14 am, roger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yes, I also think it's a MS issue... But I think the issue lies with the > > #... > > I was thinking it must be a MS issue as well, until I discovered that > the permalinks were being handled (mishandled) by OpenOffice too. > > > that somehow separates the destination from parameters. Is there not a > > "code" for a #? > > When I tried to substitute %23 for # in a permalink URL, the > hyperlink wouldn't open at all in Outlook 2007, Word 2007 or > OpenOffice, but the base URL would still open from Outlook Express. > > ~Roger --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To post to this group, send email to TiddlyWiki@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[tw] Re: How do I "permalink" in an email
> My problems accessing a permalink from an Outlook email hyperlink is > limited to a TiddlyWiki saved on the local file system. You could try using a localhost URL - e.g. file://localhost/c:/myTW.html#Item1 instead of file:///c:/myTW.html#Item1 -- F. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To post to this group, send email to TiddlyWiki@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[tw] Re: How do I "permalink" in an email
I thought about that and really hoped it would solve my problem. Unfortunately, using localhost just gets me to the default tiddler(s), same as before. On Nov 26, 11:23 am, FND <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > My problems accessing a permalink from an Outlook email hyperlink is > > limited to a TiddlyWiki saved on the local file system. > > You could try using a localhost URL - e.g. > file://localhost/c:/myTW.html#Item1 > instead of > file:///c:/myTW.html#Item1 > > -- F. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To post to this group, send email to TiddlyWiki@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[tw] Re: How do I "permalink" in an email
I inquired about this issue in the Outlook newsgroup and the individual who has been responding doesn't think it's really an Outlook issue but a Windows issue. So I'm wondering can anyone access a permalink tiddler in a TW from a hyperlink in any Windows application. As far as I can tell, a permalink will only work from within a browser, either pasted into the address bar, hyperlinked from within a TW or other webpage, or bookmarked. If I try to make use of a permalink in any other application, the TW will open, but not to the permalinked tiddler. ~Roger On Nov 26, 5:36 pm, roger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I thought about that and really hoped it would solve my problem. > Unfortunately, using localhost just gets me to the default tiddler(s), > same as before. > > On Nov 26, 11:23 am, FND <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > My problems accessing a permalink from an Outlook email hyperlink is > > > limited to a TiddlyWiki saved on the local file system. > > > You could try using a localhost URL - e.g. > > file://localhost/c:/myTW.html#Item1 > > instead of > > file:///c:/myTW.html#Item1 > > > -- F. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To post to this group, send email to TiddlyWiki@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
